Ron Howard is a fuckin disgrace - for the sake of "dramatic licence" this (otherwise good) film totally and unnecessarily shat all over the Grumman LEM designers and workers just for the sake of a cartoon "asshole baddie". In reality the Grumman guys worked wonders (as did everyone) in getting the LEM to do what it was never designed for but no, that arsehole Howard has to have his black-and-white morality, goodies/baddies scenarios and so treat the audience like we all 10 years old.
You've never watched Apollo 13 then. Remember the fat, sweaty guy panting "We can't be responsible"? and followed by him going "How about that LEM" when it succeeded and getting the cold side-eye from Krantz? That's the Grumman guy in the movie.
Watch the film again, goldfish-attention-span boy.
Im so glad photos of the moon landings was released to shut up these conspiracy assholes. American won the cold war and reached the moon, fuck everyone else. Even though were in the shitter now with this uneducated asshole in office.
Apollo 13 movie is a great movie but there is a error along that movie. When astronauts returned to the Earth, it's literally impossible to see it through the LEM's windows. At 5:21, we can see the Earth far away and the LEM's windows are not in front of it in this configuration.
Here's what the government DIDN'T/DOESN'T want you to know... The ship secretly lands safely in some pond in a secret base where nobody is allowed. The falling body of the mass of the ship is claimed to be "space junk" or "weather balloons" when, in reality, it's just the ship returning back to Earth, never leaving the atmosphere because the moon landing was all a hoax. We've never ever LEFT the atmosphere of Earth to date. It's all BS they're feeding you and you're eating it all.
I never knew over 100,000 people could keep such a big secret like this! Seven times as well! How did we get the Russians to admit we beat them to the moon? We must have paid millions of them off right? If mankind never left the atmosphere, how did thousands of satellites get into orbit around earth? Did aliens put them there? One other thing, on the moon you can't see the stars b/c it is daylight on the surface. Can you see stars from earth once the sun has risen?
I noticed something..how are they able to see the earth out of that window if the ship is pointing directly towards the earth ? If that were the case, the window would just be facing into space, since the LM engine is right below their feet.
@Tehpredator105 They are not pointing directly towards the Earth, they are just using it as a reference point. The idea is to enter orbit, not crash straight into it.
FYI: When an Apollo flight preforms a mid-course correction it's actually done perpendicular to the axis of motion not forwards towards Earth as that wouldn't do much more then speed them up.
The Apollo missions will be remembered 2000 years from now. By that time, there is a very good chance that the US will have been long-since ceased to exist. NASA's progress in making Homo Sapiens a spacefaring species is by far the most worthwhile endeavour in the history of the US-perhaps in the history of humanity.
It's too bad that NASA is bankrupt. I think we'll have to forget manned missions to moon or to mars for now and have to commit space to the Russians. But I rather commit it to the Russians thant to the Chineses.
I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST CHINESES but with space traveling they are not that good (see "long march")
Where can I get one of those Niffty Nasa speaker boxes she is listenting to the communication with..... with the cool sticker....Did she really have a box like this?
I saw how Kranz used the Hidden Secret in Think and Grow Rich too jasonvn02. SPA and mastermind and obviously step 1 and 2 covered. Awesome to see him use the natural process of goal achievement without even realizing it.
ur pretty familiar with aviation engineering technology and the history of that, pretty impressive. yes thats true, most people dont know that the Navigation program and the hardware requirements were the major problem for landing on the moon. im still wondering and i cant belive that how much energy and motivation those brilliant people had. Not only the astronauts were the elite from all testpilots, but also the computer engineers. imagine 1968 engineers introduced chips that run with 35 MHz !
Something I don't quite understand in this sequence - the triangular windows they are looking through look downwards for landing on the moon's surface, so how can they view the earth through the windows and travel toward it at the same time ?
according to lovell fred haise used the target cross for reference the sun. i also wondered. i think they called this burn PC plus 2.
u see there are some other exapmles
for some modified stories
also the CO2 part press indicator would continuesly burn in the ECS secondary Mode regardless of the CO2 level, but if u think how different the dramatic issue would be..
Thats the nature of drama though. The script writers aren't really going to go into all the technical details of the actual maneuver as it would be to complex for the general viewing audience. Really, only pilots or those working in aerospace or those with a keen interest in this sort of thing (etc) would be able to keep up with that much detail in the plot.
I'm not completely certain but I think the 1st burn was to break from the Moon's orbital trajectory. The 2nd burn was to align the craft for the Earth orbital trajectory. Basically the opposite of what was done to propel the craft to the Moon.
thats true, well the Control adviser said in the beginning that the re-entry angle must be corrected, otherwise they couldnt correct it later.
did u know that u can find all manuels and technical sheets from NASA in the internet? i mean there are about 10.000 pages of every single technical system u can deal with
At one time all of the spacecraft design specifications and the flight plan itself were considered top secret. All of the early space program documents from Mercury through all of the Apollo flights became public knowledge back about 1997. Government documentation loses a security rating every 7 years.
i didnt know that, i mean with the 7 years rating thing...but obviously thats quiet understandable that in time of cold war and new technology things like rocket science or computer science was something delicate material...i mena we talk about a technology to send rockets to intercontinental distances and dont forget the race to the moon
have u watched the documentary series about the "moon machines"?
they talk about the LEM, the CM, SM, space suit, saturn 5, CM computer, software routines
Software routines were quite a masterful achievement considering the technology of the time. Software routines involving course corrections using airjets required about half a mile of magnetic tape on a transmitter as large as a refrigerator. These electronic devices, began the internet since receivers for the information used microchips, small enough to be carried in the Apollo craft. Yes, the 60s and 70s science brought us where we are now. That's why it was considered top secret data then.
hehe, damn thats what i also dont understand...seriously in a documentary jim lovell said also that he did that way, but what kind of reference is that? they would fly vertical away, or not??
im pretty familier with spaceflight and physics but this is simple not that easy to comprehend.
maybe they did just a course correction u know and then they corrected back to earth, cause i read the book and believe me the film shows only 1 burn..in the book there were 2!
Excellent deduction on your part. Few people consider that the Earth is traveling through space at about 9.3 miles per second. Couple that with the fact that the Apollo CM was traveling through space at about 5 miles per second. It would be like trying to sink a golf ball into a Campbell's single serving soup can on a rolling automobile wheel 50 yards away. How's that for a vivid analogy of how difficult guiding Odyssey with Aquarius's engine was for Fred Haise?
yep, of course, otherwise they couldnt manage it to increase their reentry angle. if u think about its a relative "simple" manuver.but they had correct it later on back towards to the earth, cause the velocity is still parallel to the earth
The evidence that they didn`'t go to the moon is crushing. Once people have seen it, there's nothing anyone can do to make them think they really went.
America at its best. Innovative, smart, resourceful and leading the way for the world. Please America, forget politics and show us what you can do once again.
@risc19: I wonder if you know how heavily NASA relies on other nations for assistance? Yes, an excellent organization and some of the best were/are American, but the UK, Russia and Canada all make up large portions of NASA's personel, not to mention NASA consults with numerous engineers, surgeons, military officers and scientists from these nations especially, but others also. In this case the entire procedure of separating the landing module from the rest of the craft was engineered by Canada
Uh, the tea party is one of the most vehemently right wing groups in the western world, even by American standards, which is saying something. We should not encourage them in any way.
Bill Whittle is a spit sucking imbicile, but thats hardly the point.
The tea party is not for america, the tea party swears alligence to hard-line judeo-chrisitan values and imposing them wherever and whenever. Besides, give it another few years and nobody will have ever heard of them.
Oh goodness, we still hold the more important five sixths of government. Yeah, we're in such trouble. Do you honestly think Sarah is going to win in '12? Of course not. We have six more years of Obama pretty much in the bag, and the more influential side of congress (The Senate) is still ours, as the supreme court.
And if the Republicans somehow find a way to cause more trouble, at least they won't get any legislation passed either. Petty, true, but also incredibly satisfying.
@tattat44 Haha your queen Pelosi has been dethroned so yeah I'd say that things are pretty shaken up. Just wait for 2012's elections, its going to be a blood bath.
BTW funny how you libtards bitch about the "party of no" but when things dont go your way that's exactly what you become. Hypocrites!
That's me, not the democrats. I have no personal stake in this, and thus my only want is to see republican tears of rage.
The democrats themselves still seem to want to be bipartisan, although I can't imagine why, as nobody in the Red caucus has taken an economics class since Reagan, so it can be counted upon that they have absolutely zero idea how to fix AN economy let alone THE economy.
Nancy needed to go anyway. She was a dear old soul, but stuck in one idea of campaigning.
Yeah just look at the demo geniuses. "You need to spend money to keep from going bankrupt." -Biden Looks like they're due for another year in 3rd grade math.
@KiloByte69 Actually its perfectly true. The only empirically proven way to get out of a recession is to spend money on whichever side of the supply chain is faltering.
If that sounds vaguely familiar, its possibly because The New Deal and pretty much every other successful recovery effort ever, including foreign ones, had spending and stimulus, and lots of it. Whereas the Repub's just want to give the super rich a bunch of tax cuts (Which is the same as spending really) and hope for the best.
Hahaha don't get me started on the New Deal, I mean its not like WWII had anything to do with jumpstarting the economy. At least the New Deal actually helped create real infastructure and not pork barrel projects like millions spent on road signs advertising the Recovery Act.
Every recovery project has to handle PR. Its just a fact of life. Republicans would put up their own signs anyway so better to just beat them to the punch. If that involves funds from the program itself, then whatever. It's not like you can expect a government funded program to be done without using taxpayer money, its the only kind of money they get if you haven't noticed.
And honestly, if you really believe that the New Deal did nothing then I probably shouldn't even be encouraging you with rational debate. It's a settled part of history, the only people who haven't moved on are the republicans, bitter that the progressive approach was, in the end, the only thing that saved us from the laize fair approach of the 1800's.
And how did it end up? A stinking pile of shit, that's how. People working to the bone for no money while a few rich people sat happy at the top. If I have to deal with nannyish democrats trying to take my guns away just to get a good deal for the middle class, then you know what, that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
@risc19 As an American - thanks for not giving up on us.
However, we are as sick of our politicians as the rest of the world is. We can't seem to change. Our system seems to attract scumbags and morons. I think we need to change the system before anything constructive can happen.
Balanced Budget Amendment, Term limits for Congress. I think the most important thing is to ELIMINATE POLITICAL PARTIES. It's like a stupid football game otherwise.
cool video
guist55 4 months ago
Ron Howard is a fuckin disgrace - for the sake of "dramatic licence" this (otherwise good) film totally and unnecessarily shat all over the Grumman LEM designers and workers just for the sake of a cartoon "asshole baddie". In reality the Grumman guys worked wonders (as did everyone) in getting the LEM to do what it was never designed for but no, that arsehole Howard has to have his black-and-white morality, goodies/baddies scenarios and so treat the audience like we all 10 years old.
krakenwave 4 months ago
@krakenwave Fuck off. I didn't see the Grumman guy portrayed as a badguy. You're watching the wrong movie or something, dickhead...
unparallelshadows 1 month ago
@unparallelshadows
You've never watched Apollo 13 then. Remember the fat, sweaty guy panting "We can't be responsible"? and followed by him going "How about that LEM" when it succeeded and getting the cold side-eye from Krantz? That's the Grumman guy in the movie.
Watch the film again, goldfish-attention-span boy.
krakenwave 1 month ago
@krakenwave Yep. I remember him. I've seen the movie countless times. He's still not a badguy,
unparallelshadows 1 month ago
what I like about the states is that any idiot can argue vehemently with any other, and someone will produce it. Talk about teamwork
rebusd 4 months ago
Gene is sexy as shit, all homo.
MisterHardScoper 5 months ago
To be honest I kinda agree with the uneducated asshole thing. In two speeches Obama said there were 57 states. Lol but true
dluvpups2010 5 months ago
Uneducated asshole? Obama went to Harvard. You seem to be the uneducated asshole here.
cmfcguy 5 months ago
Im so glad photos of the moon landings was released to shut up these conspiracy assholes. American won the cold war and reached the moon, fuck everyone else. Even though were in the shitter now with this uneducated asshole in office.
ItalianTony86 5 months ago
Apollo 13 movie is a great movie but there is a error along that movie. When astronauts returned to the Earth, it's literally impossible to see it through the LEM's windows. At 5:21, we can see the Earth far away and the LEM's windows are not in front of it in this configuration.
c1bla5j6 6 months ago
Remarkable film! One of Hanks' best! he portrays Lovell very well and Harris does a wonderful Kranz. I remember when all this happened.
59Skott 8 months ago
3:34 Tom Hanks says, "Frodo." Is this Apollo 13 or Lord of the Rings?
misterfunnybones 10 months ago
@misterfunnybones He said "Fred-o" ya moron.
PrinceForte 9 months ago
@PrinceForte I told the joke, but your reply makes you the joke.
misterfunnybones 9 months ago
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So fake...
Here's what the government DIDN'T/DOESN'T want you to know... The ship secretly lands safely in some pond in a secret base where nobody is allowed. The falling body of the mass of the ship is claimed to be "space junk" or "weather balloons" when, in reality, it's just the ship returning back to Earth, never leaving the atmosphere because the moon landing was all a hoax. We've never ever LEFT the atmosphere of Earth to date. It's all BS they're feeding you and you're eating it all.
AndyHarglesis 10 months ago
@AndyHarglesis
I never knew over 100,000 people could keep such a big secret like this! Seven times as well! How did we get the Russians to admit we beat them to the moon? We must have paid millions of them off right? If mankind never left the atmosphere, how did thousands of satellites get into orbit around earth? Did aliens put them there? One other thing, on the moon you can't see the stars b/c it is daylight on the surface. Can you see stars from earth once the sun has risen?
IrishChris1979 8 months ago
@IrishChris1979 I have seen stars at high noon. Yes, so NASA lied. Don't even make me bother getting into the obvious...
AndyHarglesis 8 months ago
@AndyHarglesis Another loony eh?
SgtMustang 8 months ago 3
Now that's being creative.
Legba85 10 months ago
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Legba85 10 months ago
OMGggg i love this movie:)!!! it's so awesomeeeee!!
ella5904 11 months ago
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The Apollo moon missions were faked in a studio. Here's a link to some of the evidence.
spurstalk (dot) com/forums/showthread (dot) php?t=144487
Cosmored 11 months ago
I noticed something..how are they able to see the earth out of that window if the ship is pointing directly towards the earth ? If that were the case, the window would just be facing into space, since the LM engine is right below their feet.
Tehpredator105 1 year ago
@Tehpredator105 They are not pointing directly towards the Earth, they are just using it as a reference point. The idea is to enter orbit, not crash straight into it.
Willy105 11 months ago
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one of my favorite movies
WorkSucksChannel 1 year ago
that frozen weiner.. XD omg XD
Cobbleston 1 year ago
@Cobbleston in german its not a weiner; it s a W I E N E R
HerfordSkateboarding 11 months ago
@HerfordSkateboarding isn't that spanish for german man?
Trollingwithmyhomies 11 months ago
@Trollingwithmyhomies ja sowas ähnliches :D
HerfordSkateboarding 11 months ago
Small gaff with this scene, the engine is under their feet so if they wanted to look at the Earth they would have had to look up out of the windows.
1987Stephencampbell 1 year ago
FYI: When an Apollo flight preforms a mid-course correction it's actually done perpendicular to the axis of motion not forwards towards Earth as that wouldn't do much more then speed them up.
sdnsdf 1 year ago
@sdnsdf but the burn on apollo 13 was to speed them up. The boost cut 9 hourse of the return jourmey.
joachim2464 1 year ago
I am a huge fan of this movie! It's such good fotege!
GummyBearPal 1 year ago
Nasa should send more astronauts to the moon or even mars, now with VASIMR technology space travel sould be a lot cheaper.
US CAN'T PERMIT THE CHINA COMMIE FAGS CONQUER THE SPACE!
polezombi 1 year ago
Why don't you assholes can all the political bullshit and just enjoy the fucking video.
RCAvhstape 1 year ago
The Apollo missions will be remembered 2000 years from now. By that time, there is a very good chance that the US will have been long-since ceased to exist. NASA's progress in making Homo Sapiens a spacefaring species is by far the most worthwhile endeavour in the history of the US-perhaps in the history of humanity.
Don't stop now.
nashertheatheist 1 year ago 2
It's too bad that NASA is bankrupt. I think we'll have to forget manned missions to moon or to mars for now and have to commit space to the Russians. But I rather commit it to the Russians thant to the Chineses.
I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST CHINESES but with space traveling they are not that good (see "long march")
P.S. That ist the best movie I've ever seen!!!
NessiMauzz 1 year ago
"bring the earth up"
epic hanks
joeyadler2266 1 year ago
I wish they'd do the zero-g thing in sci fi movies too, cgi is no comparison to this
TheCrimsonImbecile 2 years ago 36
@TheCrimsonImbecile the real issue with filming zero g for real is that it only lasts 30 - 40 seconds, otherwise you'd have to go to space for real.
SuperTennis3 1 year ago
awesome feat of will
hotofthegriddle 2 years ago
The homes of the astronauts did in fact ,have a speaker box, so the wives could monitor aspects of the mission.
olentangy74 2 years ago
Where can I get one of those Niffty Nasa speaker boxes she is listenting to the communication with..... with the cool sticker....Did she really have a box like this?
SuperTurtletime 2 years ago
I saw how Kranz used the Hidden Secret in Think and Grow Rich too jasonvn02. SPA and mastermind and obviously step 1 and 2 covered. Awesome to see him use the natural process of goal achievement without even realizing it.
Jennifer8Lee 2 years ago
4:20 - this is one of the best cinema scenes ever. its intense and has a lot of drama involved
SevenSins004 2 years ago 3
@SevenSins004 Lets kick the tires and let the fires. Ignition
Kingdom007Hearts 1 year ago
easy... I ordered a set from the MASTER plans
Trek001 2 years ago
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Dear All,
I have some questions about psychology:
(1) Why do we enjoy space travel and flying?
(2) Why do we have a perception that space is closer related with America?
(3) Why do we relate space and aviation with Americans' culture and values?
(4) Why do we so curious what is in the sky?
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE for your creative ideas and brainstorm!!! :)
applesweeter 2 years ago
ur pretty familiar with aviation engineering technology and the history of that, pretty impressive. yes thats true, most people dont know that the Navigation program and the hardware requirements were the major problem for landing on the moon. im still wondering and i cant belive that how much energy and motivation those brilliant people had. Not only the astronauts were the elite from all testpilots, but also the computer engineers. imagine 1968 engineers introduced chips that run with 35 MHz !
Serpico261 2 years ago 3
Something I don't quite understand in this sequence - the triangular windows they are looking through look downwards for landing on the moon's surface, so how can they view the earth through the windows and travel toward it at the same time ?
Skii1973 2 years ago
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mitrumpetplaya 2 years ago
I think in real life they used the Sun, not the Earth.
krozfan 2 years ago
Nope, they used the sun in one window and the earth in the other. The sun was actually used to control the pitch, not the earth.
aussielung 2 years ago
yes this is true
according to lovell fred haise used the target cross for reference the sun. i also wondered. i think they called this burn PC plus 2.
u see there are some other exapmles
for some modified stories
also the CO2 part press indicator would continuesly burn in the ECS secondary Mode regardless of the CO2 level, but if u think how different the dramatic issue would be..
Serpico261 2 years ago
Thats the nature of drama though. The script writers aren't really going to go into all the technical details of the actual maneuver as it would be to complex for the general viewing audience. Really, only pilots or those working in aerospace or those with a keen interest in this sort of thing (etc) would be able to keep up with that much detail in the plot.
aussielung 2 years ago
I'm not completely certain but I think the 1st burn was to break from the Moon's orbital trajectory. The 2nd burn was to align the craft for the Earth orbital trajectory. Basically the opposite of what was done to propel the craft to the Moon.
stralien51 2 years ago
thats true, well the Control adviser said in the beginning that the re-entry angle must be corrected, otherwise they couldnt correct it later.
did u know that u can find all manuels and technical sheets from NASA in the internet? i mean there are about 10.000 pages of every single technical system u can deal with
Serpico261 2 years ago
At one time all of the spacecraft design specifications and the flight plan itself were considered top secret. All of the early space program documents from Mercury through all of the Apollo flights became public knowledge back about 1997. Government documentation loses a security rating every 7 years.
stralien51 2 years ago
i didnt know that, i mean with the 7 years rating thing...but obviously thats quiet understandable that in time of cold war and new technology things like rocket science or computer science was something delicate material...i mena we talk about a technology to send rockets to intercontinental distances and dont forget the race to the moon
have u watched the documentary series about the "moon machines"?
they talk about the LEM, the CM, SM, space suit, saturn 5, CM computer, software routines
Serpico261 2 years ago
Software routines were quite a masterful achievement considering the technology of the time. Software routines involving course corrections using airjets required about half a mile of magnetic tape on a transmitter as large as a refrigerator. These electronic devices, began the internet since receivers for the information used microchips, small enough to be carried in the Apollo craft. Yes, the 60s and 70s science brought us where we are now. That's why it was considered top secret data then.
stralien51 2 years ago
I know. I ordered a full set from Nasa and plan to build a full repica of the CM and Lem
Trek001 2 years ago
hmm i thought about ur answer and i still try to figure out if this is a joke..hell i dont know
Serpico261 2 years ago
hehe, damn thats what i also dont understand...seriously in a documentary jim lovell said also that he did that way, but what kind of reference is that? they would fly vertical away, or not??
im pretty familier with spaceflight and physics but this is simple not that easy to comprehend.
maybe they did just a course correction u know and then they corrected back to earth, cause i read the book and believe me the film shows only 1 burn..in the book there were 2!
Serpico261 2 years ago
They reference the other burn if you listen to the dialogue
odion07 2 years ago
Because they're not travelling toward Earth, they're travelling to the spot where it will be. They're hitting a moving target.
qfmarsh64 2 years ago
Excellent deduction on your part. Few people consider that the Earth is traveling through space at about 9.3 miles per second. Couple that with the fact that the Apollo CM was traveling through space at about 5 miles per second. It would be like trying to sink a golf ball into a Campbell's single serving soup can on a rolling automobile wheel 50 yards away. How's that for a vivid analogy of how difficult guiding Odyssey with Aquarius's engine was for Fred Haise?
stralien51 2 years ago
That is one of the few inconsistencies between the actual mission and the movie.
The craft was flown parallel to the earth, not toward it.
alenatore1 2 years ago 3
yep, of course, otherwise they couldnt manage it to increase their reentry angle. if u think about its a relative "simple" manuver.but they had correct it later on back towards to the earth, cause the velocity is still parallel to the earth
Serpico261 2 years ago
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The evidence that they didn`'t go to the moon is crushing. Once people have seen it, there's nothing anyone can do to make them think they really went.
s1 (dot) zetaboards (dot) com/LooseChangeForums/topic/51606/1/
(check link for gaps)
Cosmored 2 years ago
I thought it was James Lovell?
scj16 2 years ago 3
America at its best. Innovative, smart, resourceful and leading the way for the world. Please America, forget politics and show us what you can do once again.
(I'm not from America by the way)
risc19 3 years ago 93
@risc19: I wonder if you know how heavily NASA relies on other nations for assistance? Yes, an excellent organization and some of the best were/are American, but the UK, Russia and Canada all make up large portions of NASA's personel, not to mention NASA consults with numerous engineers, surgeons, military officers and scientists from these nations especially, but others also. In this case the entire procedure of separating the landing module from the rest of the craft was engineered by Canada
theWall0719 1 year ago
@risc19 Yeah, they should. I'm a Lithuanian. If they'd tried, then the world would be perfect.
Let's internationally support the Tea-party!
mantas1111000 1 year ago
@mantas1111000
Uh, the tea party is one of the most vehemently right wing groups in the western world, even by American standards, which is saying something. We should not encourage them in any way.
tattat44 1 year ago
@tattat44 Uh, I'm a conservative.
Fuck you. I'm a beliver in Bill Whittle.
mantas1111000 1 year ago
@mantas1111000
Bill Whittle is a spit sucking imbicile, but thats hardly the point.
The tea party is not for america, the tea party swears alligence to hard-line judeo-chrisitan values and imposing them wherever and whenever. Besides, give it another few years and nobody will have ever heard of them.
tattat44 1 year ago
@tattat44
Hah, you libtards lost HARD in the House. Americans are finally waking up. :)
KiloByte69 1 year ago
@KiloByte69
Oh goodness, we still hold the more important five sixths of government. Yeah, we're in such trouble. Do you honestly think Sarah is going to win in '12? Of course not. We have six more years of Obama pretty much in the bag, and the more influential side of congress (The Senate) is still ours, as the supreme court.
And if the Republicans somehow find a way to cause more trouble, at least they won't get any legislation passed either. Petty, true, but also incredibly satisfying.
tattat44 1 year ago
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KiloByte69 1 year ago
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@tattat44 Haha your queen Pelosi has been dethroned so yeah I'd say that things are pretty shaken up. Just wait for 2012's elections, its going to be a blood bath.
BTW funny how you libtards bitch about the "party of no" but when things dont go your way that's exactly what you become. Hypocrites!
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KiloByte69 1 year ago
@KiloByte69
That's me, not the democrats. I have no personal stake in this, and thus my only want is to see republican tears of rage.
The democrats themselves still seem to want to be bipartisan, although I can't imagine why, as nobody in the Red caucus has taken an economics class since Reagan, so it can be counted upon that they have absolutely zero idea how to fix AN economy let alone THE economy.
Nancy needed to go anyway. She was a dear old soul, but stuck in one idea of campaigning.
tattat44 1 year ago
@tattat44
Yeah just look at the demo geniuses. "You need to spend money to keep from going bankrupt." -Biden Looks like they're due for another year in 3rd grade math.
KiloByte69 1 year ago
@KiloByte69 Actually its perfectly true. The only empirically proven way to get out of a recession is to spend money on whichever side of the supply chain is faltering.
If that sounds vaguely familiar, its possibly because The New Deal and pretty much every other successful recovery effort ever, including foreign ones, had spending and stimulus, and lots of it. Whereas the Repub's just want to give the super rich a bunch of tax cuts (Which is the same as spending really) and hope for the best.
tattat44 1 year ago
@tattat44
Hahaha don't get me started on the New Deal, I mean its not like WWII had anything to do with jumpstarting the economy. At least the New Deal actually helped create real infastructure and not pork barrel projects like millions spent on road signs advertising the Recovery Act.
KiloByte69 1 year ago
@KiloByte69
Every recovery project has to handle PR. Its just a fact of life. Republicans would put up their own signs anyway so better to just beat them to the punch. If that involves funds from the program itself, then whatever. It's not like you can expect a government funded program to be done without using taxpayer money, its the only kind of money they get if you haven't noticed.
tattat44 1 year ago
@KiloByte69
And honestly, if you really believe that the New Deal did nothing then I probably shouldn't even be encouraging you with rational debate. It's a settled part of history, the only people who haven't moved on are the republicans, bitter that the progressive approach was, in the end, the only thing that saved us from the laize fair approach of the 1800's.
That was your perfect corporate world.
No restrictions on private sectors power.
tattat44 1 year ago
@KiloByte69
And how did it end up? A stinking pile of shit, that's how. People working to the bone for no money while a few rich people sat happy at the top. If I have to deal with nannyish democrats trying to take my guns away just to get a good deal for the middle class, then you know what, that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
tattat44 1 year ago
@tattat44 "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." -Benjamin Franklin
KiloByte69 1 year ago
@KiloByte69
Nobody said they had to succeed.
tattat44 1 year ago
I AGREE, BY THE WAY, I'M FROM MEXICO
Skybolter 7 months ago
@risc19 As an American - thanks for not giving up on us.
However, we are as sick of our politicians as the rest of the world is. We can't seem to change. Our system seems to attract scumbags and morons. I think we need to change the system before anything constructive can happen.
Balanced Budget Amendment, Term limits for Congress. I think the most important thing is to ELIMINATE POLITICAL PARTIES. It's like a stupid football game otherwise.
myrtlebox 5 months ago
"I guess you can keep your job" ha ha
daveibukun 3 years ago 2
it's a really good movie
Riddasport1994 3 years ago 2
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"it's a really good movie"
Are you kidding? It was even better then the original fake "going to the moon" movie. Five *s
fanbutton 3 years ago
i saw this movie today in science
it's so amazing
it's my favorite now
it's like sad.
i almost cried!
lol
752502jl 3 years ago 3
I really wish I could find the next part of this.
I love this movie.
dsavix4 3 years ago 2
what was the name of the first song they have played on board at the live broadcast? I wanna get that song! :-DDD
Sanyey 3 years ago
"Spirit in the Sky" by Norman Greenbaum.
AnUndeadMonkey 3 years ago