A briga provocada pelos irmãos Wright a respeito de repelente, mesquinha, repulsiva e nojenta disputa por dinheiro atrasou a aviação americana durante vinte anos. Durante a I Guerra Mundial tiveram que utilizar aviões franceses, como o Nieuport 17, SPAD VII, o SPAD XIII. Os conhecimentos dos norte-americanos eram tão primários que os franceses empurraram uma porcaria de avião chamado Nieuport 28, produzido em grandes quantidades, e que nenhum piloto francês queria
Em dezembro de 2003 uma replica da máquina Wright tentou alçar vôo e não conseguiu, vergonhosamente. TODAS as réplicas do 14 Bis voam, mesmo as mais elementares, construídas em fundo de quintal. Enquanto os americanos estavam com seu biplano, tanto Blériot, Voisin, Duperdussin e outros já estavam com monoplanos. Dumont construiu um formidável avião, o Demoiselle, NUNCA COBROU NADA POR ISSO, nunca foi mercenário, egoísta, mesquinho, pequeno de caráter.
Robert Thelen, ALEMÃO, projetista dos famosos caças Albatross afirmou que uma máquina pesando mais de 350 kg jamais levantaria vôo em TODAS as condições com um motor de apenas ... 12 HP.
• Mas isso aí é VERGONHOSO. Santos Dumont e outros pioneiros, como Otto Lilienthal, Blériot, Saulnier fizeram suas experiências às claras. Os Irmãos Wright patentearam em 1903 um planador. Escondidos na desculpa da patente, jamais permitiram que alguém conferisse sua máquina, "queriam vender antes" rs, rs, rs. Os descendentes de Orville quando consultados se autorizavam a exposição do engenho no Smithsonian concordaram com uma condição: QUE FOSSE ATRIBUÍDA AOS IRMÃOS a "invenção" do avião.
Another thing " Tri-Axis Control" Big Fight with Glenn Curtis, When you drive a car you have One-Axis Control, When you jump from a airplane with a parachute you have Two-Axis Control. Don't you think most of the pioneer aviators were not working on that , Its Obvious, Natural & Elementary.
Engraçado, o mundo inteiro parece ter inveja do Brasil por um monte de coisas, uma delas é essa, que o pai da aviaçâo é um Brasileiro, é decendente de Franceses, mas todo mundo no brasil é decendente de algun lugar, como este país maravilhoso sempre teve as portas abertas para o mundo, mas o importante que Santos Dumont era BRASILEIRO con orgulho de ser e tambem se sentia Françes por sua decendencia...o estado de Minas Gerais temque estar orgulhoso por isto. Hoje todo o mundo voa!!!
Alberto Santos Dumont é um verdadeiro mito: O homem que deu asas à humanidade! Com o 14 bis. concluiu um trabalho digno de um gênio! Seu nome deve ser sempre reverenciado e servir de inspiração às nossas futuras gerações. Quanta generosidade, quanto desprendimento em disponibilisar as patentes de suas invenções! Quanto altruismo se confrontado com a ganância daqueles que correram a garantir, mesquinhamente, seus direitos de patente sobre o que supostamente inventaram... Viva Santos Dumont!
There's more the flight of Santos Dumont was filmed, including giving back around the Eifel tower while the "flight" of the Wright brothers were photographed, and filmed and photographed much difference there, ask for the French or the Europeans who invented better the airplane airship, it was clear that Santos Dumont, including Santos Dumont was awaeded and honored for his great achievement in France and Europe, I bet that the Wright Brithers was awarded only in the United States.
Actuallyu who invented the airplane was Leonardo da Vinci, at least on paper, Santos Dumont invented the airplane airship, which is today directed the pilots to their planes were herons Santos Dumont and the Wright brothers invented the catapult because his plane took off by a catapult and strainght, only about 300 meters, the problem is that American think invented everything.
No one can deny the merits of the Wright Bros. The problem is that in USA the name of Santos Dumont is deliberately omited. Why ? If is not deliberately, why is not mentionned ? Censorship ?
my canadian friend this is the first airplane with real manoeuvrability in the world made by an franc -brazilian at the same time the Wright Brothers were flying those few meters. it's real for sure it flew for the first time in Paris in October 23th of 1906 long time ago.... the name of thi very airplane is 14 - bis
Correction a year in October Wilbur Wright flew 25 miles at an altitude of between 50-10 feet. In addition, due to the limitations of the flying field, he could also turn and fy in circles.
@mablus yet he never sold a single aircraft and he could not pattent the aircraft invention because he lost the race to the wright bros, I also have noticed that dumont always flies his flier down a cliff where the gradient descent quicker than his falling speed to create the illusion that he is flying.
@matatan69 Yeah, yeah, Check on defesabr,com/fab and see a very old pic from one of those cliffs you mentioned . I got really astonished by the great enormously gradient descent, No mention to the trees and public down the object. You see, Wright Brothers were great , they introduced the basic design of planes that are used until today, but ignoring Dumont is just dumb.
@mablus and what about the fact that Dumont's first "official" (FAI) flight occurred on 13Feb, 1909, but only after he had illegally installed the "patented" technology of the Wright brothers. (USP #821,393). After Dumont showed up with his model 21 Demoiselle at the Aug,1909 Rheims Air Race&Show at Rheims, France, the LCGdeNG (French license holders of the Wright's patents) filed in court on Dumont, Peltrie, Lavasseur, and Bleriot for their blatant violation of their patent license.
@mablus When it comes to his (Dumont's) HTAs, like his 14bis (which was designed and built by G.Voisin and R.E. Peltrie for him) lacked a propeller, airfoils, a control system, and the 14bis was designed based on the idea of "Inherit Stability", which proved out to be a failed concept. All can be confirmed by just a casual observation of available photos and film. Dumont's next machine, (his model 15), its wings were glued flat veneer panels, but it fell apart when Dumont attempted to taxi!
@mablus There is a film of Dumont's failed attempt on 12Nov,1906 that the newly founded FAI initially (and mistakenly) called the "first flight" and this film, above all others, shows "why" Dumont and all of the other ACdeF members continuously tried, struggled, and failed. Finally, on 8Aug,1908, at LeMans, Wilbur tookoff with his Flyer III "A" and simply flew away, came back and landed near the stunned crowd! One of the FAI officials stated: "..ahhh, so that's how an airplane flies?"
@matatan69 of course Why didn't realize that! Must be for that (Dumont fail) that our replica can fly and from the Wright can't even with a stronger engine. Come on man you are direspecting us with those comments, we don't need to prove anything to any country. Dummont was pretty naive and he never got pretty much worried about patents. Huge mistake. About me, I know how important and valuable Wrigth Brother's were for aviation and all, on the contrary, you show yourself hell bent on attacking
The god's honest truth is that it's this big running joke I've had going on for a while, and that's just the latest. The way it goes is that I saw a Biz 14 video and it said that it happened before the Wright Bros. I said that I'de never heard of Santos Dumont, and other people got after me about that. Ever since then, I just write ridiculous things in Biz 14 video comment sections just to mess with these dudes. Look up my youtube name and you can see what I've been saying in other vids.
Before seeing a video of the Biz 14, I had never heard of him. Truthfully, I wouldn't be surprised if Sr. Dumont did perform the first successful flight, as opposed to the Wright brothers. US historians have a tendency to confuse fact with myth, and this may be an example.
@vincentvining Well, the fact is that the newspapers around that era all agree that the wright bros were the first to fly. Dumont was just imitating the Wright bros.
@vincentvining Notice that dumont always flies his shitty flier down a cliff where the gradient descent quicker than his falling speed to create the illusion that he is flying.
@junglemanlawyer1 , aviation is my life, I fly airplanes, I own an A & P license and I am a graduate in aeronautical engineering. only dumb aviator wannabe's like you do trash the internet with so many lies about Dumont. Dumont was a loser like all Dumonters on the internet, the man even hanged himself after being defeated by the wright brothers. you should be the one that must get a life and let Dumont rest in peace with his defeat.
@junglemanlawyer1 , Dumont's first "official" (FAI) and only sustained and controlled flight occurred on 13Feb, 1909, but only after he had illegally installed the "patented" technology of the Wright brothers. (USP #821,393). After Dumont showed up with his model 21 Demoiselle at the Aug,1909 Rheims Air Race&Show at Rheims, France, the LCGdeNG (French license holders of the Wright's patents) filed in court on Dumont for the blatant violation of their patent license. Facts from NOVA!
@junglemanlawyer1 To avoid imprisonment Dumont promised to retire completely from the aviation arena after facing the evidences brought to court of his fraud. Dumont hanged himself years later because he lived in depression ever after the court agreement. Facts from NOVA!
@matatan69 Dumont killed himself after seeing his invention being used for war and not peace as he dreamed. Dumont was an inventor which includes among other things: the wrist watch.
@junglemanlawyer1 , it wasn't "HIS" invention, he has no patent bearing his name. USP #821,393 is owned by the wrights brothers and was submitted for appoval when dumont was still experimenting with balloons. It's a fact that he began suffering of great depressions after being kick out of the aviators club for fraud infringement on the wrights brother's invention of the aeroplane.
@junglemanlawyer1 Dumont killed himself or he had a stroke or was ill, nobody knows the thruth, his mother also committed suicide might be in genes.They both killed themselves not because the Wright brothers.Dumont died in 1932 when there was a severe deep depression in the economy in U.S. No american could be proud of anything at time including the brothers. Dumont who in other circles was considered the first to fly, a leader for the E.U. aviators. USA just care about w. watches.Brainwash.
@pedrobonatto Notice that dumont always flies his shitty flier down a cliff where the gradient descent quicker than his falling speed to create the illusion that he is flying.
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Dois tolos impulsionados feito uma catapulta e nem voando direito, tanto quanto Santos Dumont, esses dois pegaram carona no cavalo de são Jorge!
Só os idiotas americanos e alguns brasileiros pra acreditar que foram os dois ai, quem inventou o avião!
Da até graça de ouvir esses americanos burro pra cacete!
brazilpaes 1 week ago
A briga provocada pelos irmãos Wright a respeito de repelente, mesquinha, repulsiva e nojenta disputa por dinheiro atrasou a aviação americana durante vinte anos. Durante a I Guerra Mundial tiveram que utilizar aviões franceses, como o Nieuport 17, SPAD VII, o SPAD XIII. Os conhecimentos dos norte-americanos eram tão primários que os franceses empurraram uma porcaria de avião chamado Nieuport 28, produzido em grandes quantidades, e que nenhum piloto francês queria
CaxiasFreguesia 4 months ago
Em dezembro de 2003 uma replica da máquina Wright tentou alçar vôo e não conseguiu, vergonhosamente. TODAS as réplicas do 14 Bis voam, mesmo as mais elementares, construídas em fundo de quintal. Enquanto os americanos estavam com seu biplano, tanto Blériot, Voisin, Duperdussin e outros já estavam com monoplanos. Dumont construiu um formidável avião, o Demoiselle, NUNCA COBROU NADA POR ISSO, nunca foi mercenário, egoísta, mesquinho, pequeno de caráter.
CaxiasFreguesia 4 months ago
Robert Thelen, ALEMÃO, projetista dos famosos caças Albatross afirmou que uma máquina pesando mais de 350 kg jamais levantaria vôo em TODAS as condições com um motor de apenas ... 12 HP.
CaxiasFreguesia 4 months ago
• Mas isso aí é VERGONHOSO. Santos Dumont e outros pioneiros, como Otto Lilienthal, Blériot, Saulnier fizeram suas experiências às claras. Os Irmãos Wright patentearam em 1903 um planador. Escondidos na desculpa da patente, jamais permitiram que alguém conferisse sua máquina, "queriam vender antes" rs, rs, rs. Os descendentes de Orville quando consultados se autorizavam a exposição do engenho no Smithsonian concordaram com uma condição: QUE FOSSE ATRIBUÍDA AOS IRMÃOS a "invenção" do avião.
CaxiasFreguesia 4 months ago
to hell with patents! bureaucracy got the best of him. surprised they didn't attack him for using air for lift.
3stucifer3 10 months ago
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Another thing " Tri-Axis Control" Big Fight with Glenn Curtis, When you drive a car you have One-Axis Control, When you jump from a airplane with a parachute you have Two-Axis Control. Don't you think most of the pioneer aviators were not working on that , Its Obvious, Natural & Elementary.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
Engraçado, o mundo inteiro parece ter inveja do Brasil por um monte de coisas, uma delas é essa, que o pai da aviaçâo é um Brasileiro, é decendente de Franceses, mas todo mundo no brasil é decendente de algun lugar, como este país maravilhoso sempre teve as portas abertas para o mundo, mas o importante que Santos Dumont era BRASILEIRO con orgulho de ser e tambem se sentia Françes por sua decendencia...o estado de Minas Gerais temque estar orgulhoso por isto. Hoje todo o mundo voa!!!
edson102710 1 year ago
Alberto Santos Dumont é um verdadeiro mito: O homem que deu asas à humanidade! Com o 14 bis. concluiu um trabalho digno de um gênio! Seu nome deve ser sempre reverenciado e servir de inspiração às nossas futuras gerações. Quanta generosidade, quanto desprendimento em disponibilisar as patentes de suas invenções! Quanto altruismo se confrontado com a ganância daqueles que correram a garantir, mesquinhamente, seus direitos de patente sobre o que supostamente inventaram... Viva Santos Dumont!
ZeEduardoSilva 1 year ago
Infelizmente, este vídeo é um dos poucos momentos em que tenho orgulho de ser brasileiro... Queria ter mais momentos assim...
Pellegriniatibaia 2 years ago
There's more the flight of Santos Dumont was filmed, including giving back around the Eifel tower while the "flight" of the Wright brothers were photographed, and filmed and photographed much difference there, ask for the French or the Europeans who invented better the airplane airship, it was clear that Santos Dumont, including Santos Dumont was awaeded and honored for his great achievement in France and Europe, I bet that the Wright Brithers was awarded only in the United States.
celsoantoniobodini 3 years ago
Actuallyu who invented the airplane was Leonardo da Vinci, at least on paper, Santos Dumont invented the airplane airship, which is today directed the pilots to their planes were herons Santos Dumont and the Wright brothers invented the catapult because his plane took off by a catapult and strainght, only about 300 meters, the problem is that American think invented everything.
celsoantoniobodini 3 years ago
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No one can deny the merits of the Wright Bros. The problem is that in USA the name of Santos Dumont is deliberately omited. Why ? If is not deliberately, why is not mentionned ? Censorship ?
CaxiasFreguesia 3 years ago
this is fake. this must be CGI
vincentvining 4 years ago
my canadian friend this is the first airplane with real manoeuvrability in the world made by an franc -brazilian at the same time the Wright Brothers were flying those few meters. it's real for sure it flew for the first time in Paris in October 23th of 1906 long time ago.... the name of thi very airplane is 14 - bis
mablus 4 years ago 5
Correction a year in October Wilbur Wright flew 25 miles at an altitude of between 50-10 feet. In addition, due to the limitations of the flying field, he could also turn and fy in circles.
warp13 4 years ago
@mablus yet he never sold a single aircraft and he could not pattent the aircraft invention because he lost the race to the wright bros, I also have noticed that dumont always flies his flier down a cliff where the gradient descent quicker than his falling speed to create the illusion that he is flying.
matatan69 1 year ago
@matatan69 Yeah, yeah, Check on defesabr,com/fab and see a very old pic from one of those cliffs you mentioned . I got really astonished by the great enormously gradient descent, No mention to the trees and public down the object. You see, Wright Brothers were great , they introduced the basic design of planes that are used until today, but ignoring Dumont is just dumb.
mablus 1 year ago
@mablus and what about the fact that Dumont's first "official" (FAI) flight occurred on 13Feb, 1909, but only after he had illegally installed the "patented" technology of the Wright brothers. (USP #821,393). After Dumont showed up with his model 21 Demoiselle at the Aug,1909 Rheims Air Race&Show at Rheims, France, the LCGdeNG (French license holders of the Wright's patents) filed in court on Dumont, Peltrie, Lavasseur, and Bleriot for their blatant violation of their patent license.
matatan69 1 year ago
@matatan69 Or even easier search on google for fotos do 14 bis voando em paris, and then we talk.
mablus 1 year ago
@mablus When it comes to his (Dumont's) HTAs, like his 14bis (which was designed and built by G.Voisin and R.E. Peltrie for him) lacked a propeller, airfoils, a control system, and the 14bis was designed based on the idea of "Inherit Stability", which proved out to be a failed concept. All can be confirmed by just a casual observation of available photos and film. Dumont's next machine, (his model 15), its wings were glued flat veneer panels, but it fell apart when Dumont attempted to taxi!
matatan69 1 year ago
@mablus There is a film of Dumont's failed attempt on 12Nov,1906 that the newly founded FAI initially (and mistakenly) called the "first flight" and this film, above all others, shows "why" Dumont and all of the other ACdeF members continuously tried, struggled, and failed. Finally, on 8Aug,1908, at LeMans, Wilbur tookoff with his Flyer III "A" and simply flew away, came back and landed near the stunned crowd! One of the FAI officials stated: "..ahhh, so that's how an airplane flies?"
matatan69 1 year ago
@matatan69 of course Why didn't realize that! Must be for that (Dumont fail) that our replica can fly and from the Wright can't even with a stronger engine. Come on man you are direspecting us with those comments, we don't need to prove anything to any country. Dummont was pretty naive and he never got pretty much worried about patents. Huge mistake. About me, I know how important and valuable Wrigth Brother's were for aviation and all, on the contrary, you show yourself hell bent on attacking
mablus 1 year ago
no, its not
aureliosjc 3 years ago
is no what?
celsoantoniobodini 3 years ago
You must be false, you must be unemployed and a further U.S. fangless
celsoantoniobodini 3 years ago
lol, sorry mate, just saw your comment... no, it is a fact, it flew in multiple locations all across Brazil. Why would you think it's CGI?
pedrobonatto 3 years ago
The god's honest truth is that it's this big running joke I've had going on for a while, and that's just the latest. The way it goes is that I saw a Biz 14 video and it said that it happened before the Wright Bros. I said that I'de never heard of Santos Dumont, and other people got after me about that. Ever since then, I just write ridiculous things in Biz 14 video comment sections just to mess with these dudes. Look up my youtube name and you can see what I've been saying in other vids.
vincentvining 3 years ago
you never heard of Santos Dumont, or I inderstand wrong
celsoantoniobodini 3 years ago
Before seeing a video of the Biz 14, I had never heard of him. Truthfully, I wouldn't be surprised if Sr. Dumont did perform the first successful flight, as opposed to the Wright brothers. US historians have a tendency to confuse fact with myth, and this may be an example.
vincentvining 3 years ago
@vincentvining Well, the fact is that the newspapers around that era all agree that the wright bros were the first to fly. Dumont was just imitating the Wright bros.
matatan69 1 year ago
@vincentvining Notice that dumont always flies his shitty flier down a cliff where the gradient descent quicker than his falling speed to create the illusion that he is flying.
matatan69 1 year ago
@matatan69 What's up with you going around the youtube poisoning the videos about Dumont? Go get a life.
junglemanlawyer1 1 year ago
@junglemanlawyer1 , aviation is my life, I fly airplanes, I own an A & P license and I am a graduate in aeronautical engineering. only dumb aviator wannabe's like you do trash the internet with so many lies about Dumont. Dumont was a loser like all Dumonters on the internet, the man even hanged himself after being defeated by the wright brothers. you should be the one that must get a life and let Dumont rest in peace with his defeat.
matatan69 1 year ago
@matatan69 You are going against facts! Nova is a program produced by "HARVARD" University and they know more about the history of aviation than you!
junglemanlawyer1 1 year ago
@junglemanlawyer1 , Dumont's first "official" (FAI) and only sustained and controlled flight occurred on 13Feb, 1909, but only after he had illegally installed the "patented" technology of the Wright brothers. (USP #821,393). After Dumont showed up with his model 21 Demoiselle at the Aug,1909 Rheims Air Race&Show at Rheims, France, the LCGdeNG (French license holders of the Wright's patents) filed in court on Dumont for the blatant violation of their patent license. Facts from NOVA!
matatan69 1 year ago
@junglemanlawyer1 To avoid imprisonment Dumont promised to retire completely from the aviation arena after facing the evidences brought to court of his fraud. Dumont hanged himself years later because he lived in depression ever after the court agreement. Facts from NOVA!
matatan69 1 year ago
@matatan69 Dumont killed himself after seeing his invention being used for war and not peace as he dreamed. Dumont was an inventor which includes among other things: the wrist watch.
junglemanlawyer1 1 year ago
@junglemanlawyer1 , it wasn't "HIS" invention, he has no patent bearing his name. USP #821,393 is owned by the wrights brothers and was submitted for appoval when dumont was still experimenting with balloons. It's a fact that he began suffering of great depressions after being kick out of the aviators club for fraud infringement on the wrights brother's invention of the aeroplane.
matatan69 1 year ago
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@matatan69 You are not gonna change what millions of people around the world know.
junglemanlawyer1 1 year ago
@junglemanlawyer1 Dumont killed himself or he had a stroke or was ill, nobody knows the thruth, his mother also committed suicide might be in genes.They both killed themselves not because the Wright brothers.Dumont died in 1932 when there was a severe deep depression in the economy in U.S. No american could be proud of anything at time including the brothers. Dumont who in other circles was considered the first to fly, a leader for the E.U. aviators. USA just care about w. watches.Brainwash.
Verdelufe 11 months ago
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@Verdelufe Did you read my comments? If you do, please notice that I am defending Santos Dumont!
junglemanlawyer1 11 months ago
@pedrobonatto Notice that dumont always flies his shitty flier down a cliff where the gradient descent quicker than his falling speed to create the illusion that he is flying.
matatan69 1 year ago
@vincentvining Not CGI dude, that is a fact, they flew it in many different places and there were many witnesses around and TV cameras.
rubroxato88 1 year ago
Engraçado. Essa réplica voa!!!! A do Flyer, mesmo com um custo de 1,2 milhão de dólares não saiu do chão. Porque será, hem?
alfsantista 5 years ago 4