i can see in this video how israel looking for peace by putting an end for humanitarian people lifes, so sad when they say something and u watch something else.
i can see in this video how israel looking for peace by putting an end for humanitry people lifes, so sad when they say something and u watch something else.
just to point out that if all discussions and arguments ended like mine and promacs, maybe more people in the world would have hope for a brighter future.
@ymic83 Wenn du den so großen Durchblick hast, kannst du mir dann bestimmt erklären, warum die israelischen Spezialeinheiten, die für solche Situation auf Herz und Nieren trainiert werden, tödliche Schüsse abgegeben haben.
Und damit nicht genug.
5 der 9 Todesopfern wurden in den HINTERKOPF geschossen. Und auch den über 30 Verwundeten oberhalb der Gürtellinie.
Ich denke dass für solche Fälle Beinschüsse trainiert werden. Denn schließlich hatten die Zivilisten keine Schusswaffen.
@ymic83 Komischerweise kann ich in keinem deiner Kommentare einen logischen Rückschluss erkennen.
Denn die Spezialeinheiten hätten auf internationalen Gewässern erst gar nicht aufs Boot gehen dürfen. Und die große Menschenhorde mit verschiedenen Waffen?!?! Damit meinst du wahrscheinlich kampfunausgebildete Zivilisten mit Stöckern. Drei der Soldaten hatten sie entwaffnet, wenn sie wirklich so gefährlich wären, würden sie die Waffen gegen die Soldaten anwenden, statt sie über Boot zu werfen.
@ymic83 Und wie ich merke, stehst du wohl auf Beispiele um Situationen besser erklären zu können? Dann gebe ich auch mal eins.
Ich würde dich gerne mal sehen, wenn nachts 10 Topausgebildete und vollbewaffnete Männer in dein Haus einbrechen und deinem Mitbewohner, der grade wegrennt in den Hinterkopf schießen.
Da würdest bestimmt auch an eine berechtigte Handlung denken, nehm ich mal an.
Außerdem sieht man im Video, wie ZWEI Männer, auf jemanden auf dem Boden eintreten bevor sie ihn ermorden.
actually they are allowed to go into the boat since during war, you can have an extra 20 miles (i think that's the amount) to defend your water border.
The question is if since the hamas aren't a country can you consider your country being at war with them.
Some say yes, some say no, I'm no lawyer so I'll leave it to them to answer that question.
Amazingly the soldiers had bullet wounds and stabbing wounds, so i find it hard to believe that they only had sticks.
@ymic83 Also, bis jetzt habe ich nicht ein Foto eines angeschossenen israelischen Soldaten gesehen. Die Bilder die ich sah, waren von verprügelten Soldaten, 9 mit Schusswaffen ermordeten Zivilisten und 30 weiteren Verletzten.
Und apropo Hamas?
Es waren reine Hilfsgüter an Bord für die Zivilbevölkerung.
Oder was glaubst du welchen unaufhaltbaren Aufmarsch der Hamas mit den gesendeten Rollstühlen, Spielsachen und Büchern und Stiften gestartet hätte?
@ymic83 Ja nun, wie ich sehe setzt du dich auf deine These fest, dass man einen waffenlosen Angriff mit tödlichen Schüssen aus einer vollautomatischen Waffe abwehren darf?
Wow, das sind Helden. Feige Helden. Zu zweit auf jemanden eintreten und ihn ermorden.
Die Frage sollte nicht heißen wer war zuerst da? Das Ei oder die Henne?
Die Soldaten hätten einfach nicht in internationalen Gewässern 60 Meilen vor den Hochheitsgewässern das Boot kentern dürfen.
@ymic83 Also, wenn die IHH, wie du es sagst zum Kämpfen gekommen sind, hatten sie wohl die falsche Ausrüstung bei wie Rollstühle, Stifte und Bücher anstatt Waffen.
Also steht es für jeden intelligenten Menschen außer Frage, dass die IHH nicht zum Kämpfen gekommen sind.
Bewaffnet waren allerdings die Soldaten, und geschossen haben sie auch.
Also sind die israelischen Soldaten wohl nicht für friedliche Zwecke gekommen.
4. Only humanitarian on board. Your right, there was humanitarian aid on board. Israel offered to let it dock in ashdod, scan it and send it to Gaza but they refused.
(By the way, the hamas refuse to accept the aid, suspicious? I think so)
And you forget that the hamas have already tried to smuggle in arms through the sea.
@ymic83 Das mag sein, aber nach den Studien des Roten Kreuzes in den Vereinigten Staaten ist es belegt, dass JEDE abgegebene Hilfe um 78% verschwindet. Ich denke du studierst Geschichte, vernachlässige nicht die Gegenwart!
Ich denke Hamas ist hier kein Thema. Wirf also bitte keine rhetorischen Fragen, nur um Zustimmung zu finden.
Und du hast, recht, wer genau dort liegt ist nicht sichtbar. Aber dass der Furkan durch den TERRORISTISCHEN ANSCHLAG ERMORDET wurde, ist Fakt.
If israel wanted violence, why only attack one ship? Why not more?
That would ruin a perfectly good theory.
5. Soldiers being treated medically. Their plan was to hold some soldiers hostage so they could get to Gaza. But i know you wont believe that.
6. The IHH have calmed down. Are you serious? If that's true, why are they still considered a terrorist organization? Maybe al-quaida is also a humanitarian organization and we just didn't notice.
@ymic83 apropo, die Aktivisten wollten die Soldaten verletzen.
Ich habe Videos gesehen, wie die gefangen genommene Soldaten medizinisch Versorgt wurden, und wie die IHH-typen versucht haben sie zu beruhigen und auf sie eingeredet haben.
Ich empfinde Scham dafür, dass ich vor etwa zehn Jahren noch genauso wie du über Israel gedacht hatte.
Jedoch habe ich heute eingesehen dass die meisten Aktivitäten Israels Menschenrechtsverachtend sind.
Ich hoffe sehr dass auch für dich diese Wende kommt.
1. The IHH people were ready to fight. They had bullet proof vests, gas masks, and videos of them waving knives singing they want to be shahids.
And of course the interview with the captain which talks about how the IHH ran the ship and hid their weapons in limited access only areas. So there goes that theory of your.
2. No injured soldiers pictures - maybe you saw the pics by Reuters that were photoshopped and Reuters apologized for, the knives were photoshopped out of the hands and the soldiers blood was photoshopped. Don't believe me? Look it up.
3 automatic weapon fire. the soldiers didn't carry automatic weapons. All dead were from 9mm rounds, which are in pistols. Oops there goes another theory.
@ymic83 Und es spielt keine allzu große Rolle mit welcher Schusswaffe die 9 Zivilisten ermordet wurden. Viel wichtiger ist doch, dass 5 der Todesopfer in den Hinterkopf geschossen wurden, also exekutiert wurden.
Verdreh nicht meine Wörter, ich sagte nicht dass keiner der Soldaten verletzt wurde. Wenigstens wurden diese menschlich versorgt, während die israelischen Kriegsschiffe jede erbettelte Erste Hilfe abgelehnten.
did it ever occur to you that he was shot in the back because he attacked a soldier and the soldier covering him shot him before he could stab his friend?
nahhhhh. that's impossible. It would almost make sense.
@ymic83 O mein Gott. In deinen Gedanken hast ja schon ein ganzes Szenario ausgemalt, wie es gewesen ist:-) Warte, ich führe für dich fort:" Und weil sein Freund grade gestolpert war, war er leider gezwungen mit seiner Handfeuerwaffe auf die flüchtigen bösen Hamas Terroristen zu schießen. Und sooo retteten sie die Welt!!!"
Bleib bitte realistisch. Und stell diesen Terroranschlag nicht als gezwungenen Heldentat dar.
@ymic83 Apropo Austrittsfeuer, die Mündung der Waffe ist beim Schuss nicht zu sehen, aber der Abzugsfinger schon.
Und sei bitte so nett, weil du ja so ein klares Weltbild hast, und erklär mir warum zwei Soldaten auf jemanden auf dem Boden eintreten bevor sie ihn ermorden?
Lass mich raten, der böse zusammengetretene Kerl auf dem Boden wollte sein Blut auf den Schuh des Soldaten spucken bevor er beißt, und sein Partner konnte ihn nur durch einen heldenhaften Schuss retten.
I find it amazing the stuff I keep repeating is what you don't see in this movie.
I have to repeat since you keep claiming that what you want to see, but don't see.
As far as facts go, anyone that has the patience to look back through the history of our conversation will find that you have made baseless accusations with nothing to back them up.
I'm glad you like to laugh. Laughter is the best medicine.
@ymic83 Nun, wenn du die Meinung anderer in Betracht ziehst. Ich habe auch Rabbis gesehen, die diesen Terroranschlag und Weitere verachten. Weil sie den Terror von Selbstverteidigung unterscheiden können.
Und wo du gerne stehst, ist natürlich dir Selbst überlassen. Doch wenn du, wie du es sagst, die Wahrheit suchst, wirst du sie auf der Seite schwer finden.
Sei ruhig stolz.
Ich persönlich hätte Probleme mit meinem Gewissen, stolz auf Mörder zu sein.
I know justice is on my side and the truth will come out.
And while you become a dhimmi, I will be fighting terrorism, and help make sure that you and I still have the freedom to argue in you tube in a few years.
@promac100 Hi monkey, lol @ this poor video and it shows nothing. It is dark, somebody is being subdued. It doesn't even look like the gun is being fired. But I am sure this Furkan that was violently resisting in a war zone and he deserved what he got and more.
@ymic83 פוקקין טאָכעס לאָך or you may like to keep it like this התחת Fuckin חור and as for the rape of donkeys have a look in you own Talmud the rape of baby girls 3 years and a day is acceptable fuckin tribe of pedophiles and just incase you can’t read Hebrew or skidish wups yiddish I’ll put it this way Fuckin ass hole
@ymic83 Well as you’ve put on your channel that you are from Israyhell I naturally presumed you’d be gifted with being bilingual, you know Hebrew or skidish, But you can only speak English! Hummm sounds to me like you’re a Deceptive little shit, but Hay I’m glad you managed to understand what I wrote, the clue I bet was in it being wrote in English at the end “Der”,
@ymic83 Anyway I’m sorry if what I wrote looked like it was written by a 5 year old but you have to understand that when you are conversing with someone who’s got a low intellectual perceptive like yourself then the need to write in a very basic even child like manner becomes evident.
As far as the Talmud, I must admit I don't know too much of it, so tell me where you saw this part about pedophilia so I can respond. (your accusation, so prove it.)
And as far as I know the only countries that practice marriages at the age of 5, are the Arab countries.
@ymic83 As for your evil pedophile book the Talmud go on then enlighten me tell me how wrong I am, you with an uncanny even suprarenal perspective of what I understand, and lastly I may have to grow a pair but you only have to grow one and that’s a brain retard boy lol. Anyway I wait with anticipation for your reply numb nuts
@ymic83 Ho believe me i will understand try me, and as for not finishing 8th grade(is that not an American term? )well have you looked at your own comments enlightened one your so intelligent please free me from my ignorance lol :-))
@ymic83 Look we are just going round and round and not getting anywhere and you where right about me not understanding your שלום ולהתראות Hello and goodbye? Did you Google that or think it up all by yourself well you’ve got me perplexed by it, and how do you know I finished your so called 8th grade? After all spending 5 hours trying to write this lol :-))
Based on your first comment which was a bunch of random words off Google translate that you tried to make sound insulting, I have no clue what you were trying to achieve.
Maybe if you want to have meaningful debates in the future, you should start with a different comment so people will actually think there is a purpose to your comment and not just babbling bullshit.
@ymic83 And by the way I never said you where born in Israel, I never believed that for a second! it was you who said you take pride that you are from a country that has kicked the Arabs armies ass for the past 65 years I knew you where full of shit the way you write I’d say the US but your last post didn’t make a lot of sense to be honest so maybe I’m wrong, As for the link I posted it on your channel and it’s been removed? mysterious if you ask me even supernatural now u see it now u don't lol
lool , i don t want to write in english , u have to get the difference !
et bien au moins tu peux faire un petit effort pour comprendre ce que je t ai écrit ,
dieu merci, je sais que le bon dieu est de notre coté ,par ce qu on est des gens bien ,pas comme les sionistes de .... les tueurs, les pirates de ....qui font que tuer des enfants ,des femmes et des vieillards pour prouver l impossible
tu vois ce que tu veux; et tu ignores pleins d autres choses
tu fais que blamer les musulmans; si tu parles des palestiniens et bien ils ont le droit de défendre leur pays qui est occupé par les sionistes ; c leurs terres et leur honneur;
si tu as d autres cas en esprit et bien dis le toujours
If i recall the Palestinians (funny thing is, until the 60's they refused to be called Palestinians, but go figure) and the Jordanians + arab armies started a war and lost.
They could have had their state based on the partition plan, but they rejected it. So they kinda screwed themselves.
As far as other things go, I don't think the murders in Sudan have to do with the Palestinians, or the Armenian genocide. But hey, I could be wrong.
t as certainement pas raison, tu dis ce que tu crois être la réalité ; enfin de compte peut être que ce n est pas de ta faute ; on essaie tout le temps de faire du lavage du cerveau ; il est peut être temps que tu te demandes ou se trouve vraiment la vérité
i know what i m talking about , it is my religion and i know it better than u , i m sure of this
i read quran all the time ,alhamdoulillah, and i know that islam IS a religion of peace, iraqi people didn t go to to the USA and killed innocent people , palestinians didn t go to poland , russia ... and killed jews, we re only defending our land and people
we fight for our lives , i don t know why u can t get it
@ymic83 I have been following your posts with interest and i can see the way you bend and distort the truth to suit your own perverted part time Zionistic views regarding the suffering and oppression that your new home Israel is inflicting on the Palestinian people, after all you are an immigrant in that land you were not born there as you yourself have pointed out ! "after a bit of free land are you" the worlds not blind to your crimes and even the US doubt your true intentions now.
@ymic83 And might I remind you a little about your own so called history first off, Learn how in the 3rd millennium BC the Canaanites Arabs not Jews/Israelites were the earliest know inhabitants who migrated from the Arabian Peninsula to Palestine, OK let’s not dwell for too long, let’s jump to 1050BC, Learn how the philistines with their superior military organization and using iron weapons severely defeated you,
3rd millennium - actually the term Arab wasn't used back then. Arabs were known to come Arabia (there are some opinions about this) at that time the word arav was used, but that was describe "desert dwellers". At that time, Abraham and his sons were also in the land of Canine (this was around 2100 BC).
And if you want to get biblical, it was before was promised to the descendants of Abraham Issac and Jacob.
Jewish homeland in Argentina. - Herzl thought it would be an idea that the Jewish state would be in Argentina, he didn't have much support.
When Uganda was brought up, it was supported, the rejected.
The Basel plan was brought up in 1897 which supported the Jewish State in Israel.
The first Aliya (Jews coming to Israel) was in 1882 (not 1918 like you falsely claimed) which also caused the vote to go to a Jewish State in Palestine.
@ymic83 But let me throw that same question back at you, before colonizing” the land that is now known as Palestine” in 1947 you name one Israeli prime minister before David Grün or as he’s better known as Ben-Gurion? Also name one King or queen of Israel or Judah that’s not traditional or based on biblical story books were are there true tombs, Saladin I can tell you is buried in a mausoleum and his tomb is located at the Umayyad mosque in Damascus, Syria.
@ymic83 And we move on to the next bit of your annoying comment you point out that until the 1960's the Arabs refused to be called Palestinians because they considered it an affront because it wasn't the Islamic name for the nation, so what, you just like to twist the truth and you come out with half-truths in the hope of misleading people as for the British noting that the Arabs were ruthless we also noted that you were terrorists, fact,
@ymic83 King David hotel was a Irgun terrorist act, carried out by a terrorist organization, until now I have tried to show you the courtesy of not being rude and that is one luxury that you have not afforded me, you may like to think that you are superior and more intellectual but it is you who looks like the fool, you can’t make a squire peg fit in a round hole and that to me is your propaganda and like you full of shit
@ymic83 what you are saying is that Irgun warned them about the impending explosion by phone but the British because of their arrogance did nothing, Of course you forgot to explain why a sixteen year old kid, Adina Hay was used to make the so called warnings if that is indeed what they were before the attack, any credence I may have had for you has now evaporated and I once again consider you to be an ass-hole.
@ymic83 As for claiming Israel’s guilt in genocide over the last 60 years or more I’m not claiming, I’m stating a fact and that also includes the complicity in the Sabra and Shatilla massacre, as for attempting to make myself feel good by trying to sound like you lol now that’s arrogance after all why would I want to sound like an ass-hole.
I agree the philistines were masters of forging weapons and battle, they were always by the shores of Ashdod, Ashkelon and Gat. In the end King David defeated them and then they were lost to history as there is no recollection of them in the times of the Babylonians and Romans.
Just because you say that word fact, doesn’t mean you are pointing out facts.
Actually as far as the Romans go, the Jews put up a really good fight for many years and the Romans had to work hard and send tens of battalions here.
The fact that the Roman Empire took years to capture a small country proves that they weren’t crushed. But they pretty much ruled the world so what chance did a small country have.
As far as Josephus goes, most historians say that you have to take what he says with a grain of salt since the Romans took him to document their conquest and to glorify Rome. So historians believe that his descriptions are probably not accurate.
Herzl visited Israel in October 1898 to meet with William the 2nd.
This was in response to the Basel plan in 1897 for a Jewish Home land in Israel. The Zionist congress adopted this in 1897 and that’s why Herzl went to Israel in 1898. After not getting cooperation they started to look for temporary alternatives due to the pogroms in Europe. So unlike you stated, it was their first choice.
I’ll start with the 2nd Balfour declaration which has nothing to do with the subject we are discussing, was about the situation of the Empires dominions after WW1.
The one in 1917 which you quoted from was correct. But there wasn’t prejudice, before the Jews came, the whole land was a desert (see mark twain and visits by British parties.) They dried the swamps and started growing crops and taught the Arabs how to do it too.
Most of the Arabs and Jews got along and worked together till the 30s when Hitler came to power and the Mufti of Jerusalem joined forces with him. Then the main problems in Israel started. There was no prejudice, the British treated the Arabs like saints and the Jews like crap and didn’t bother intervening in the Hebron massacre on when the brave Arab warriors killed nurses and doctors (who helped treat the Arab families by the way) in the Hadassah convoy.
The Romans named it provencia de palestina since the philistines who came from Greece/Rome were cousins to Rome.
When salach a din conquered the city (and I agree he was a great warrior, in fact, the Rambam (who is one of the Jews most famous scholars) was his personal doctor (gotta love the irony). He led the famous battle between the crusaders and Muslims on the outskirts of Europe. Yet, the word “Palestine” is not mentioned once in the Koran.
The Muslims hold that Palestine is historical and holy to Muslims (however in their prayers they turn their butts to the dome of the rock, but go figure).
As far as your attempt to answer about leaders of the Palestinians years ago. Salach a din was the king of Egypt. The one thing about tribal people is they usually migrate based on certain conditions.
I admit that there are some tribes that lived here for a few hundred years they had their areas, but not the whole Country. Also many Jews lived in Jerusalem for hundreds of years before the 1800’s, especially after the Spanish inquisition. So it can go both ways.
As for Jewish kings in Israel there are many coins found with the Hasmonaean Dynasty of yanay and jonathon aristablus and some more, and there are ancient scrolls which tell the tale of the area.
As far as the Arabs being called Palestinians, they found it insulting since it was a non Muslim way of calling them, they even refused to the letter P on their uniforms when fighting alongside the British because the P stood for Palestine. They didn’t call the Arabs terrorists because the Arabs didn’t attack the British troops, and let’s face it, the Arabs massively outnumbered the Jews back then, so the British picked a side, especially since they needed oil.
They wanted Peace throughout their empire, so they gave the Arabs guns, tanks and planes. So the British weren’t too objective. This is also one of the reasons the Irgun attacked British troops. They were supplying the Arabs with guns and ammunition to kill Jews.
As for the bombing of the King David. What’s the difference if a 16 year old girl called or an 80 year old man? The call was made and the British ignored it. The British admitted years later that a call was made, but it wasn’t delivered to someone who could have done anything about it. So in your eyes and the British the Irgun were terrorists, you have a right to think that, I think differently.
As far as the “genocide” for the last 60 years, just because you say the word fact, doesn’t mean you are telling the truth. So you believe what you want to believe and propagandize it any way you want. It was also stated the world was flat once, we saw how that turned out.
As far as you being rude and attempting to insult me, I wasn’t surprised when I saw it. I knew it was a matter of time until you would drop your “civilized” act. As far as sounding like me, you were the one that quoted me using the word “learn” during each “fact” posted. Or the “sorry about the long string of messages” quoted word for word from one of my messages.
As I can tell I have given detailed responses to most of your accusations. I’m not worried about open minded objective people thinking I look like a fool. After all, I wasn’t the one that felt I had to get my points across by using school yard insults.
@ymic83 The Arav and what you call the desert dwellers may not have been modern day Arabs but one thing I can tell you is that they were not Jews so what’s your point?
@ymic83 You talk with pride almost regarding the Romans, but the fact remains you were crushed, and your excuse is that what chance did a small country have, to that I would say look at Scotland smaller than Israel and far less advanced, so did the Romans crush the Scots? No but the Romans did build a wall just like Israel to keep the Scots out.
@ymic83 As for Josephus you say most historians say that you have to take what he says with a grain of salt but at the end of the day that is only your perception of the facts.
Now we come to Theodor Herzl and like I pointed out you would put me right, but it doesn’t alter the fact that your wise men and religious leaders never consider Palestine to be there first and ONLY choice?
@ymic83 We’ll move on from the Balfour declaration as I have pointed out, my view on it was ether corruption or bad judgment, I also once again have to agree with you in regards to that most Arabs and Jews did get along and worked together until the 30s
@ymic83 And contrary to your belief in me being anti-Jewish nothing could be further from the truth anyway as a reply to your comment that Arab warriors killed nurses and doctors, do you truly believe that the IDF are so blameless? When replying to this post, please don’t insult me with any propaganda.
@ymic83 I think we can also move on from the Romans now (provencia de palestina) and Saladin as we seem to agree on those points, and I’m not going to get in to the, ”why the Muslims didn’t want to be called Palestinians” thing, and as for the English picking sides based on oil believe me we are still doing it and that go’s for the US and Israel as well.
@ymic83 I also don’t want to get in to why the British Empire was giving the Arabs guns, tanks and planes when the US has been and is still doing the very same thing for Israel, all I will say is that the British Empire as it was then has more than its fair share of blood on its hands.
@ymic83 The bombing of the King David. you say What's the difference if a 16 year old girl called or an 80 year old man, well first it’s believability would you take what a kid said at face value? And you remember what you have said the next time a kid is used (wrongly) against you. As for the Irgun being terrorist’s one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter and you’d do well to remember that as well.
@ymic83 It was you who I said was being rude, I was being sarcastic when using the words "learn "and "fact" you use them on your channel in such a patronizing and one-sided way like yours is the only truth, now I don’t take you to be a fool and as a historian you should have an open mind and know that there are two sides to every story.
@ymic83 As for the sorry about the long string of messages bit, well that was taking the piss a bit, but it was also to show that I had followed some of your posts as well, I hope that I have also given as best I can at this moment detailed responses to your posts as for my school yard insults, if you remember it was you who decided to be patronizing in the first place with comments like 8th grade and so on
@ymic83 As for the crusaders be it the Knights Templar/Hospitaller's or one of the corrupt King’s ofEurope let me be the first to tell you that just like Israel, they came in the name of their merciful God to steal murder and claim the land as their own,
@ymic83 And your pitiful comment regarding kings/queens or prime ministers of Palestine you know full well that they were a tribal people as I am not an historian all I can say is that salach a din or Saladin as he’s known in the west was a great leader and warrior
Did you know that until the 60's the Arabs refused to be called Palestinians because they considered it an insult because it wasn't the Islamic name for the Country?
As far as cruelties go, the Arabs were the ones killing Jewish Farmers way before the Haggana was born (I guess you forgot to "learn" that.)
Even the British noted that the Arabs were ruthless and killed many farmers. women and children.
King David hotel - I too don't think it was a good idea. But the Irgun warned them by phone before the explosion to leave the area before the bombs blow up.
The British originally stated that no call was made, however it is believed that they wanted to show that they don't take orders from the Irgun so they did nothing.
After a few years even the British admitted that the call was made but not someone with the power to take action.
Of course you forgot to explain why the Irgun blew up the king David and why it was formed. What was the background?
Of course all propaganda tells half facts and half truths, it makes their lie more believable.
Your claim that Jews murder people for 60 years - I see your back to your old self. Leaving aside history and using plain old propaganda. I guess the 20 minutes you looked through wikipedia really had its toll on you.
@ymic83Now we come to that European Jew Theodor Herzl, Founder of political Zionism who never are far as I’m aware ever set foot in Palestine but please correct me if I’m wrong as I know you will,my only point in bringing that up was as a comparison, you say that you have a right to the land of Palestine because of some biblical Texts if that is so then why with all your so called wise men from the Zionist congress including Jewish religious leaders was Palestine not your first and only choice?
@ymic83 The Balfour! Declaration well as you should know there were two, the first was made in a letter from Conservative Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Walter Rothschild and that was the 1917 Balfour declaration that favored the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, but in its favor it did state that it be clearly understood that “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine”
@ymic83 The second Balfour declaration 1926, was to acknowledge the self-governing part of the British Commonwealth or, formerly, British Empire as fully autonomous states, all I can say to that is although us Brits have made some monumental cock up’s in the past ether through corruption or just plain and simple bad judgment the Balfour declaration was one of them.
@ymic83 So we are back to the Romans again, OK if like you say, and for once I agree with you the Romans named it Palestine or provincia de Palestina I’m not going to nitpick, so I will rephrase Palestine, to the land that is now known as Palestine, you ask how that proves Israel was a Palestinian country for that I redirect you to my first comment.
@ymic83 Now I could go on to mention the Romans but I know that is still a bit of a sore point with you lot as not only did you get well and truly defeated but you got ya ass kicked out as well, so let us proceed to Learn how in 1906 the Zionist congress decided that the Jewish homeland should be Palestine after changing their first declaration in 1904, where they decided that a national home for Jews would be in Argentina.
@ymic83 We all know the rest of the history with the Belford declaration so (Learn how) these simple facts clearly points to the right of the Palestinian people who’s land it is long before 1917 and as we all know (Learn how) So many events since 1917 revealed the true brutality, cruelty and unfairness of Zionist Israel who unjustly murdered or assassinated Palestinian/Lebanese civilians, and Learn how that included thousands of women and children,
@ymic83 Learn how in 1918 After WW1 ended the Jews just like you began to migrate to Palestine, which was set aside as a British mandate and learn how since then the Zionist thieves’ have been building illegal settlements and murdering the people of Palestine for over 60 years
@ymic83 Learn how this is but the tip of the iceberg some examples of massacres 1946: King David Hotel 90 murdered, Learn how in1982: Sabra and Shatila massacre 3500 savagely murdered by the world terrorist Ariel Sharon with Unit 101, up to the present day with the 2010: Mavi Marmara and the assassination of 9 passengers, “Sorry for the long string of messages I just felt it was important to say” :-))
Sabra and Shatilla - The Syrian Social Nationalist Party assassinated Bachir Gemayel. Phalangists, who were Lebanese Christians took their revenge on the Sabra and shatilla people while they were supposed to be looking for terrorists.
Israel was found as indirectly responsible since they controlled that region and used the Phalangists to help clear out terrorists.
These groups hated each other back from the Lebanese civil war.
do you know that 70% of palastine people are under 18 and when you are planes throw bombs they are throwing on them and this is from what my brother have seen and my friends who went to gaza
and what the 13 israelies are killed while hundreds of Palestinians are killed you you are defending a country wich lives on killing inicents .. the siege the wars the lands that are been taken your country is an army no more then just an army !!!!!!!!!!
By the way I served in Gaza before Israel left in 2005.
You know how many Palestinian fathers brought their kids to my base to get treatment for sickness's and injuries?
Do you know that we had to take them back at night so they wouldn't be seen, because if the Hamas knew they came to us for help they would kill the family.
Or perhaps you should read about how Hamas threw unarmed Fatah people off rooftops. Again the "brave" "warriors" in action.
your just another lier i saw and heard and as i said to you my brother and my sister went their
and my sister went with the freedom flotilla and she saw what happened thier and how did your soldiers killed the people without showing no mercy !!! and how they lied on the people threw the media
do you really expect me to believe these lies am not stupid i know what is israel you are no more than an army
3rd millennium be it arav or desert dwellers at the end of the day that were Arabs NOT Jews that inhabited Palestine and as for getting biblical, it was facts I was pointing out, to me Abraham and his sons are just another story that I have no belief in and just because you do that does not make it true.
@ymic83 First let’s not split hairs, some the Jews won, but all in all the philistines were far superior militarily and technically and far out classed you and you were well and truly defeated, fact.
@ymic83 Ah the Romans, you say the Israelites lost, I say they were crushed and why let’s have a look at Josephus’ own introduction for the Jewish war: For that it was a seditious (treasonable) temper of our “own” that destroyed it and that they were the tyrants among the Jews who brought the Roman power upon us, who unwillingly attacked us, and occasioned the burning of our holy temple, and the only Jews that stayed were the ones that kissed the Roman ass, but like you say Shit happens.
yes i know my religion, and i know that u re talking nonsense ,at least u don t have any proofs
what i m seeing right now,is zionists killing muslims and christians in palestine, americans killing muslims and christians in iraq , afghanistan ,bosnia , tchechénie , india ,lebanon ....
that what i m watching everyday on tv , u can t say the same
already sharing the video
bozzeed 9 months ago
i can see in this video how israel looking for peace by putting an end for humanitarian people lifes, so sad when they say something and u watch something else.
plglg 1 year ago
i can see in this video how israel looking for peace by putting an end for humanitry people lifes, so sad when they say something and u watch something else.
plglg 1 year ago
just to point out that if all discussions and arguments ended like mine and promacs, maybe more people in the world would have hope for a brighter future.
Something to think about.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Well said, and for once I totally agree with you and by the way no sugar :-))
promac100 1 year ago
let us not forget the real thing you're killing innocent people like in the video !!
plglg 1 year ago
@ymic83 i know you will enjoy seeing this youtube.com/watch?v=PubZmJlgOSA&feature=fvsr
youtube.com/watch?v=83O5S8QOlAk
youtube.com/watch?v=vxB4gQSIyfw
youtube.com/watch?v=Ac5ir0CJOXE
youtube.com/watch?v=B6pkApsIDbI
youtube.com/watch?v=lzQncV3Z0c8&feature=related
cause your country lives on these childrens ash's
and i think what your bulldozers have done to rachel corry is enough proof
plglg 1 year ago
Ich weiß überhaupt nicht was es an dieser terroristischen Piraterie gegen unbewaffnete Zivilisten zu diskutieren gibt.
Es ist offensichtlich dass Israel eine Straftat an internationalen Gewässern begangen hat.
Jedoch ist Israel weiterhin unantastbar, und redet sich über Ecken gedacht aus der Misere.
Und unsere einseitige Medienerstattung ist leider auch nicht mehr objektiv.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@novelos1982 as far as unarmed civilians go, next time someone tries to stab you, remember your logic and let him stab away.
If you decide to fight back, don't use the self defense plea.
You'll just be a hypocrite.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Wenn du den so großen Durchblick hast, kannst du mir dann bestimmt erklären, warum die israelischen Spezialeinheiten, die für solche Situation auf Herz und Nieren trainiert werden, tödliche Schüsse abgegeben haben.
Und damit nicht genug.
5 der 9 Todesopfern wurden in den HINTERKOPF geschossen. Und auch den über 30 Verwundeten oberhalb der Gürtellinie.
Ich denke dass für solche Fälle Beinschüsse trainiert werden. Denn schließlich hatten die Zivilisten keine Schusswaffen.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@novelos1982
how right you are.
So lets say you and someone else are in a darkish ally and each of you have pistols.
Then a 50 man mob to attacks you with all kinds of weapons.
I would love to see the results of that fight.
According to you, you could only shoot at someones leg when hes about to stab you in the eye.
Remember, any other shot then in the leg makes you a hypocrite.
I wonder what would happen.
Somehow I don't think it would end in a leg shot.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Komischerweise kann ich in keinem deiner Kommentare einen logischen Rückschluss erkennen.
Denn die Spezialeinheiten hätten auf internationalen Gewässern erst gar nicht aufs Boot gehen dürfen. Und die große Menschenhorde mit verschiedenen Waffen?!?! Damit meinst du wahrscheinlich kampfunausgebildete Zivilisten mit Stöckern. Drei der Soldaten hatten sie entwaffnet, wenn sie wirklich so gefährlich wären, würden sie die Waffen gegen die Soldaten anwenden, statt sie über Boot zu werfen.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@ymic83 Und wie ich merke, stehst du wohl auf Beispiele um Situationen besser erklären zu können? Dann gebe ich auch mal eins.
Ich würde dich gerne mal sehen, wenn nachts 10 Topausgebildete und vollbewaffnete Männer in dein Haus einbrechen und deinem Mitbewohner, der grade wegrennt in den Hinterkopf schießen.
Da würdest bestimmt auch an eine berechtigte Handlung denken, nehm ich mal an.
Außerdem sieht man im Video, wie ZWEI Männer, auf jemanden auf dem Boden eintreten bevor sie ihn ermorden.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@novelos1982
actually they are allowed to go into the boat since during war, you can have an extra 20 miles (i think that's the amount) to defend your water border.
The question is if since the hamas aren't a country can you consider your country being at war with them.
Some say yes, some say no, I'm no lawyer so I'll leave it to them to answer that question.
Amazingly the soldiers had bullet wounds and stabbing wounds, so i find it hard to believe that they only had sticks.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Also, bis jetzt habe ich nicht ein Foto eines angeschossenen israelischen Soldaten gesehen. Die Bilder die ich sah, waren von verprügelten Soldaten, 9 mit Schusswaffen ermordeten Zivilisten und 30 weiteren Verletzten.
Und apropo Hamas?
Es waren reine Hilfsgüter an Bord für die Zivilbevölkerung.
Oder was glaubst du welchen unaufhaltbaren Aufmarsch der Hamas mit den gesendeten Rollstühlen, Spielsachen und Büchern und Stiften gestartet hätte?
lächerlich.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@ymic83 Und um auf die These zurückzukommen, dass Israel auch Schiffe in internationalen Gewässern angreifen darf, stimmt nicht.
Das darf kein Land.
Das ist ein weiteres Kriegsverbrechen Israels ein privates Boot 60 Meilen vor Hochheitsgewässern anzugreifen.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@novelos1982
as to your example, the question is when did the firing start, was it after the soldiers were fired on? was it after they were stabbed?
If Israel had intentions to go in shooting then how come the other ships went peacefully and no one was injured?
And as for this video.
No muzzle flashes = no bullets fired
that's not an assault rifle. Any ex solder can see that, plus it has no cartridge.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Ja nun, wie ich sehe setzt du dich auf deine These fest, dass man einen waffenlosen Angriff mit tödlichen Schüssen aus einer vollautomatischen Waffe abwehren darf?
Wow, das sind Helden. Feige Helden. Zu zweit auf jemanden eintreten und ihn ermorden.
Die Frage sollte nicht heißen wer war zuerst da? Das Ei oder die Henne?
Die Soldaten hätten einfach nicht in internationalen Gewässern 60 Meilen vor den Hochheitsgewässern das Boot kentern dürfen.
Damit heben sich allen folgenden Fragen.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@novelos1982
All the people shot were shot with 9mm bullets which is used in a handgun, do you see a handgun in the movie.
Actually, can you see anything in this movie?
And the activists did try to kill the soldiers.
They tried to stab them, shoot them and beat them.
If I or you or anyone else in that matter were in that position, we would have done the same.
BTW. the IHH came there to fight. They said it in their videos and in their preparations
And they paid the price.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Also, wenn die IHH, wie du es sagst zum Kämpfen gekommen sind, hatten sie wohl die falsche Ausrüstung bei wie Rollstühle, Stifte und Bücher anstatt Waffen.
Also steht es für jeden intelligenten Menschen außer Frage, dass die IHH nicht zum Kämpfen gekommen sind.
Bewaffnet waren allerdings die Soldaten, und geschossen haben sie auch.
Also sind die israelischen Soldaten wohl nicht für friedliche Zwecke gekommen.
Und eins erkenne ich im Video ganz deutlich.
Zwei grausame MÖRDER!
novelos1982 1 year ago
@novelos1982
4. Only humanitarian on board. Your right, there was humanitarian aid on board. Israel offered to let it dock in ashdod, scan it and send it to Gaza but they refused.
(By the way, the hamas refuse to accept the aid, suspicious? I think so)
And you forget that the hamas have already tried to smuggle in arms through the sea.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Das mag sein, aber nach den Studien des Roten Kreuzes in den Vereinigten Staaten ist es belegt, dass JEDE abgegebene Hilfe um 78% verschwindet. Ich denke du studierst Geschichte, vernachlässige nicht die Gegenwart!
Ich denke Hamas ist hier kein Thema. Wirf also bitte keine rhetorischen Fragen, nur um Zustimmung zu finden.
Und du hast, recht, wer genau dort liegt ist nicht sichtbar. Aber dass der Furkan durch den TERRORISTISCHEN ANSCHLAG ERMORDET wurde, ist Fakt.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@novelos1982
If israel wanted violence, why only attack one ship? Why not more?
That would ruin a perfectly good theory.
5. Soldiers being treated medically. Their plan was to hold some soldiers hostage so they could get to Gaza. But i know you wont believe that.
6. The IHH have calmed down. Are you serious? If that's true, why are they still considered a terrorist organization? Maybe al-quaida is also a humanitarian organization and we just didn't notice.
ymic83 1 year ago
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ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 apropo, die Aktivisten wollten die Soldaten verletzen.
Ich habe Videos gesehen, wie die gefangen genommene Soldaten medizinisch Versorgt wurden, und wie die IHH-typen versucht haben sie zu beruhigen und auf sie eingeredet haben.
Ich empfinde Scham dafür, dass ich vor etwa zehn Jahren noch genauso wie du über Israel gedacht hatte.
Jedoch habe ich heute eingesehen dass die meisten Aktivitäten Israels Menschenrechtsverachtend sind.
Ich hoffe sehr dass auch für dich diese Wende kommt.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@novelos1982
I will answer you with points.
1. The IHH people were ready to fight. They had bullet proof vests, gas masks, and videos of them waving knives singing they want to be shahids.
And of course the interview with the captain which talks about how the IHH ran the ship and hid their weapons in limited access only areas. So there goes that theory of your.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 also das waren ja Fakten:-) Selbstverständlich werden sie zum Schutz Gasmasken tragen, wie es aussieht war es wohl nicht umsonst.
Schade nur dass sie die tödlichen Kugeln nicht abwehren konnten.
Du willst einfach nicht den Unterschied zwischen einem Knüppel und einer vollautomatischen Waffe erkennen?
Naja, manche Menschen wie du sind so blind dass sie nicht den Mut besitzen ihre Pferdeklappen abzunehmen.
Oder sie profitieren selbst davon und wollen erst gar nichts davon wissen.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@novelos1982
Sorry. but no one used automatic weapons.
All bullet holes were 9 mm. That's pistol bullets.
Could have sworn I said that already.
I'm blind? I'm sorry you feel that way. Apparently whoever doesn't think like you and act the way you want is blind.
Your just sad. I feel sorry for you.
ymic83 1 year ago
@novelos1982
2. No injured soldiers pictures - maybe you saw the pics by Reuters that were photoshopped and Reuters apologized for, the knives were photoshopped out of the hands and the soldiers blood was photoshopped. Don't believe me? Look it up.
3 automatic weapon fire. the soldiers didn't carry automatic weapons. All dead were from 9mm rounds, which are in pistols. Oops there goes another theory.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Und es spielt keine allzu große Rolle mit welcher Schusswaffe die 9 Zivilisten ermordet wurden. Viel wichtiger ist doch, dass 5 der Todesopfer in den Hinterkopf geschossen wurden, also exekutiert wurden.
Verdreh nicht meine Wörter, ich sagte nicht dass keiner der Soldaten verletzt wurde. Wenigstens wurden diese menschlich versorgt, während die israelischen Kriegsschiffe jede erbettelte Erste Hilfe abgelehnten.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@novelos1982
did it ever occur to you that he was shot in the back because he attacked a soldier and the soldier covering him shot him before he could stab his friend?
nahhhhh. that's impossible. It would almost make sense.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 O mein Gott. In deinen Gedanken hast ja schon ein ganzes Szenario ausgemalt, wie es gewesen ist:-) Warte, ich führe für dich fort:" Und weil sein Freund grade gestolpert war, war er leider gezwungen mit seiner Handfeuerwaffe auf die flüchtigen bösen Hamas Terroristen zu schießen. Und sooo retteten sie die Welt!!!"
Bleib bitte realistisch. Und stell diesen Terroranschlag nicht als gezwungenen Heldentat dar.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@ymic83 Apropo Austrittsfeuer, die Mündung der Waffe ist beim Schuss nicht zu sehen, aber der Abzugsfinger schon.
Und sei bitte so nett, weil du ja so ein klares Weltbild hast, und erklär mir warum zwei Soldaten auf jemanden auf dem Boden eintreten bevor sie ihn ermorden?
Lass mich raten, der böse zusammengetretene Kerl auf dem Boden wollte sein Blut auf den Schuh des Soldaten spucken bevor er beißt, und sein Partner konnte ihn nur durch einen heldenhaften Schuss retten.
Wo lebst du? Erde?
novelos1982 1 year ago
@novelos1982
OK i can see your getting angry so this isn't even worth discussing.
usually the one getting angry is the one frustrated.
And I understand why your frustrated.
Its really annoying to make accusations and someone keeps proving you wrong time and again.
The fact that you tried (poorly i might add0 using sarcasm in your comment proves you have no proof or facts.
So you resort to insults as your last desperate act.
Good luck in life and try to stay calm.
Peace.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 *lol* Ich habe selten so gelacht:-)
Also Fakten habe ich ohne Ende aufgezählt.
Aber du hast ganz klar unter Beweis gestellt, dass du einfach nicht in der Lage bist, rational zu kommentieren.
Du weichst meinen Fragen aus, wirfst Theorien als Fakten vor und bietest am Ende nichts Anderes als eine leere Sprechblase.
Nun, ich denke dass eher DU frustriert bist weil du einfach nicht kommentieren kannst, und ständig deine auswendig gelernten 3Sätze wiederholst.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@novelos1982
I find it amazing the stuff I keep repeating is what you don't see in this movie.
I have to repeat since you keep claiming that what you want to see, but don't see.
As far as facts go, anyone that has the patience to look back through the history of our conversation will find that you have made baseless accusations with nothing to back them up.
I'm glad you like to laugh. Laughter is the best medicine.
ymic83 1 year ago
@novelos1982
@ymic83
And I have asked many people about this video, including Muslims i work with,
everyone agreed. No muzzle flashes, no cartridge in the gun, no assault rifle.
and no hand gun. and of course no furkan in the video.
The fact that you see things that aren't there, that's your problem.
As far as you hoping I turn over too.
I'm fine where I am. i studied history for many years and drew my conclusions.
I am proud of who I am and what I stand for.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Nun, wenn du die Meinung anderer in Betracht ziehst. Ich habe auch Rabbis gesehen, die diesen Terroranschlag und Weitere verachten. Weil sie den Terror von Selbstverteidigung unterscheiden können.
Und wo du gerne stehst, ist natürlich dir Selbst überlassen. Doch wenn du, wie du es sagst, die Wahrheit suchst, wirst du sie auf der Seite schwer finden.
Sei ruhig stolz.
Ich persönlich hätte Probleme mit meinem Gewissen, stolz auf Mörder zu sein.
novelos1982 1 year ago
@novelos1982
I know justice is on my side and the truth will come out.
And while you become a dhimmi, I will be fighting terrorism, and help make sure that you and I still have the freedom to argue in you tube in a few years.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Ich denke keineswegs dass das Recht auf deiner Seite steht.
Geld und Korruption ja, aber nicht das Recht.
Aber keine Sorge, die öffentlichen Medien werden dich schon zu trösten wissen.
Und während du immer mehr zu einem blinden Zionisten wirst, hoffe ich dass intelligente Menschen nicht so rassistisch sind.
Die ganze Sache hat nichts mit Religion oder Herkunft zu tun. Sondern mit Menschenrechten (sonst dürfte ich nichts sagen).
Und Israel hat seine Position offen dargelegt.
novelos1982 1 year ago
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ISRAEL FOREVER
MichKohe17 1 year ago
@MichKohe17 Fuck off ass-hole from the unHoly land
promac100 1 year ago
@promac100 Hi monkey, lol @ this poor video and it shows nothing. It is dark, somebody is being subdued. It doesn't even look like the gun is being fired. But I am sure this Furkan that was violently resisting in a war zone and he deserved what he got and more.
blgghee 1 year ago
@blgghee Sméa…gol...is that you Sméagol or is it Gollum, does Cruel men still hurts yous Sméagol and your Precioussss is still working i see
promac100 1 year ago
fucking criminals!
vionorino 1 year ago
so throughout this whole video. you don't see furkhan.
you see no muzzle flashes when shots are "supposed to be" fired.
and that strange looking paintball like gun has no cartridge in it.
and in 0:10 if you look close enough, you can see Marilyn Monroe in a burqa.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83
t es qu un con, un bon à rien, c trés normal que tu dises ces conneries, t es bon pour l asile pauvre con
palestinemoncoeur 1 year ago
@palestinemoncoeur
thnx for the reply in french.
I guess you didnt type in english so i wouldnt understand how full of shit you are.
google translate gave me a rough idea.
I like you people, people prove your full of crap, so you reply cursing,
oh well. i guess I cant really expect more from people that rape donkeys (I have seen this).
have a nice day. and dont forget to honor kill ur sister.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 פוקקין טאָכעס לאָך or you may like to keep it like this התחת Fuckin חור and as for the rape of donkeys have a look in you own Talmud the rape of baby girls 3 years and a day is acceptable fuckin tribe of pedophiles and just incase you can’t read Hebrew or skidish wups yiddish I’ll put it this way Fuckin ass hole
promac100 1 year ago
@promac100
haha. Sorry I don't speak Yiddish.
But I can speak English, and surprisingly I managed to understand what you wrote, despite that it looks like it was written by a 5 year old.
I love how you are trying to insult me with the lovely use of 3 random words.
You just sound pathetic.
I loved how you summed it up with fucking asshole (1 word).
I'm sure you have amazing knowledge of the Talmud.
When you grow a pair and actually comment like a big boy, you can try again.
cheers :-)
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Well as you’ve put on your channel that you are from Israyhell I naturally presumed you’d be gifted with being bilingual, you know Hebrew or skidish, But you can only speak English! Hummm sounds to me like you’re a Deceptive little shit, but Hay I’m glad you managed to understand what I wrote, the clue I bet was in it being wrote in English at the end “Der”,
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 Anyway I’m sorry if what I wrote looked like it was written by a 5 year old but you have to understand that when you are conversing with someone who’s got a low intellectual perceptive like yourself then the need to write in a very basic even child like manner becomes evident.
promac100 1 year ago
@promac100
As far as the Talmud, I must admit I don't know too much of it, so tell me where you saw this part about pedophilia so I can respond. (your accusation, so prove it.)
And as far as I know the only countries that practice marriages at the age of 5, are the Arab countries.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Try Google, i have also sent you a link
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 As for your evil pedophile book the Talmud go on then enlighten me tell me how wrong I am, you with an uncanny even suprarenal perspective of what I understand, and lastly I may have to grow a pair but you only have to grow one and that’s a brain retard boy lol. Anyway I wait with anticipation for your reply numb nuts
promac100 1 year ago
@promac100
let me get this straight. You spent about 5 hours trying to write like a person who graduated 8th grade and still failed.
I wouldn't type in Hebrew since I doubt you would understand.
As far as deception goes, I am an open book. I hide nothing in my profile about who i am or where I'm from.
I take pride that I'm from a country that has kicked the Arabs armies ass for the past 65 years.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Ho believe me i will understand try me, and as for not finishing 8th grade(is that not an American term? )well have you looked at your own comments enlightened one your so intelligent please free me from my ignorance lol :-))
promac100 1 year ago
@promac100
I didn't get a link. Please resend it.
By the way, I wasn't born in Israel. :-)
And if you look again, you'll see I mentioned that you did finish 8th grade (sorry for not using the British term for it.)
As the say by you, cheers mate.
or as by me,
שלום ולהתראות.
:-)
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 Look we are just going round and round and not getting anywhere and you where right about me not understanding your שלום ולהתראות Hello and goodbye? Did you Google that or think it up all by yourself well you’ve got me perplexed by it, and how do you know I finished your so called 8th grade? After all spending 5 hours trying to write this lol :-))
promac100 1 year ago
@promac100
As far as going round and round.
Based on your first comment which was a bunch of random words off Google translate that you tried to make sound insulting, I have no clue what you were trying to achieve.
Maybe if you want to have meaningful debates in the future, you should start with a different comment so people will actually think there is a purpose to your comment and not just babbling bullshit.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 And by the way I never said you where born in Israel, I never believed that for a second! it was you who said you take pride that you are from a country that has kicked the Arabs armies ass for the past 65 years I knew you where full of shit the way you write I’d say the US but your last post didn’t make a lot of sense to be honest so maybe I’m wrong, As for the link I posted it on your channel and it’s been removed? mysterious if you ask me even supernatural now u see it now u don't lol
promac100 1 year ago
@promac100
shalom means peace and can be used as hello. I bet you feel foolish now.
I am from Israel, I just wasn't born here.
I bet you find that concept amazing.
You are trying desperately to make me look foolish and all you have done is make a joke of yourself.
If you were really on my channel, you would see I posted stuff in Hebrew.
By the way, I don't erase comments in my channel, you can page through them and see some anti Israel ones.
You just didn't post one.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83
hhhhh
et bien je ne suis pas obligée de t'écrire en anglais, c'est pas de ma faute si tu es aussi inculte,hhhhh
et je vais pas m'abaisser à ton niveau et proférer d'aussi désagréables propos
bonne chance avec l'esprit que tu as , ça fait pitié ,
may god help you poor guy
palestinemoncoeur 1 year ago
@palestinemoncoeur
lol. uneducated. maybe you are the uneducated one since you don't type English which is a universal language.
God helps me plenty. don't worry about it. I have a family, a good job, and no sudden urge to kill my sister/mother/bystanders.
Maybe when your people don't feel like like massacring hundreds of thousands of people in Africa/Armenia/Kurdistan, god will help you too.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83
lool , i don t want to write in english , u have to get the difference !
et bien au moins tu peux faire un petit effort pour comprendre ce que je t ai écrit ,
dieu merci, je sais que le bon dieu est de notre coté ,par ce qu on est des gens bien ,pas comme les sionistes de .... les tueurs, les pirates de ....qui font que tuer des enfants ,des femmes et des vieillards pour prouver l impossible
palestinemoncoeur 1 year ago
@palestinemoncoeur
I'm glad you think god is on your side.
I'm sure god loves people that kill their family and blow up buses/airplanes.
If you consider yourselves good people for that, then I wish you luck in life.
maybe you should do everyone a favor and go meet your 72 virgins personally.
au revoir.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83
u don t know what u re talking about ; tu te ridiculises pour rien;
nous on se défends contre des "gens" qui n ont rien avoir avec les humains ; tu sais de qui je parle
palestinemoncoeur 1 year ago
@palestinemoncoeur
how is blowing up a train, or attempting to blow up cars defensive.
I'm sure the thousands of people dead in Darfur were a huge threat.
I'm sure 1.5 million Armenians were a huge threat too.
I'm sure the beheaded reporters were also a huge threat with their cameras.
Never mind the hundreds of "honor" killings.
I do know what I'm talking about. The question is, can you face it?
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83
tu vois ce que tu veux; et tu ignores pleins d autres choses
tu fais que blamer les musulmans; si tu parles des palestiniens et bien ils ont le droit de défendre leur pays qui est occupé par les sionistes ; c leurs terres et leur honneur;
si tu as d autres cas en esprit et bien dis le toujours
palestinemoncoeur 1 year ago
@palestinemoncoeur
well, you could say that.
If i recall the Palestinians (funny thing is, until the 60's they refused to be called Palestinians, but go figure) and the Jordanians + arab armies started a war and lost.
They could have had their state based on the partition plan, but they rejected it. So they kinda screwed themselves.
As far as other things go, I don't think the murders in Sudan have to do with the Palestinians, or the Armenian genocide. But hey, I could be wrong.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83
t as certainement pas raison, tu dis ce que tu crois être la réalité ; enfin de compte peut être que ce n est pas de ta faute ; on essaie tout le temps de faire du lavage du cerveau ; il est peut être temps que tu te demandes ou se trouve vraiment la vérité
palestinemoncoeur 1 year ago
@palestinemoncoeur
Well I have happened to have studied history a lot and I get my own conclusions.
No one controls me. So I could only be blamed for brain washing myself.
So yes I know the reality and history of the area for a long time.
All I said can be easily found reading history books and shows.
And as far as Muslims committing mass murder, all u have to do is watch the news and u can see it.
But go on living in ur own little world that Islam is the "religion of peace" (my ass it is.)
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83
i know what i m talking about , it is my religion and i know it better than u , i m sure of this
i read quran all the time ,alhamdoulillah, and i know that islam IS a religion of peace, iraqi people didn t go to to the USA and killed innocent people , palestinians didn t go to poland , russia ... and killed jews, we re only defending our land and people
we fight for our lives , i don t know why u can t get it
palestinemoncoeur 1 year ago
@palestinemoncoeur
so the religion of peace didn't kill 1.5 million Armenians?
doesn't kill thousands of Africans a month in darfur?
doesn't kill people on a daily basis in Iraq? (not soldiers)
and the mufti of Jerusalem didn't go and meet Hitler and set up the Bosnian Muslim brigade to go hunt down Jews in Europe?
At least you know your religion.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 I have been following your posts with interest and i can see the way you bend and distort the truth to suit your own perverted part time Zionistic views regarding the suffering and oppression that your new home Israel is inflicting on the Palestinian people, after all you are an immigrant in that land you were not born there as you yourself have pointed out ! "after a bit of free land are you" the worlds not blind to your crimes and even the US doubt your true intentions now.
promac100 1 year ago
@promac100
I appreciate the fact that you have viewed my comments.
However I haven't distorted anything.
Might i remind you that the Palestinians were offered a state, much better then the Jews were offered in the partition plan.
Instead of accepting, they decided to wage war and, in their words, "throw the jews into the ocean".
They are responsible for themselves, Arafat didn't accept the camp David agreement, the Saudis said "that was a crime against the Palestinian people.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 And might I remind you a little about your own so called history first off, Learn how in the 3rd millennium BC the Canaanites Arabs not Jews/Israelites were the earliest know inhabitants who migrated from the Arabian Peninsula to Palestine, OK let’s not dwell for too long, let’s jump to 1050BC, Learn how the philistines with their superior military organization and using iron weapons severely defeated you,
promac100 1 year ago
@promac100
@promac100
3rd millennium - actually the term Arab wasn't used back then. Arabs were known to come Arabia (there are some opinions about this) at that time the word arav was used, but that was describe "desert dwellers". At that time, Abraham and his sons were also in the land of Canine (this was around 2100 BC).
And if you want to get biblical, it was before was promised to the descendants of Abraham Issac and Jacob.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
Philistines - true the philistines were known to be masters at crafting weapons and soldiers.
But there were many battles between the philistines and Israel.
During the time of Joshua, Samson, Shmuel and Saul
down to azaryahu.
Most of these battles were in the Gat/ashdod region.
Some the Jews won and some the philistines won.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
The Romans - Israel lost to the empire that controlled most of the known world. Shit happens.
But not all hews were kicked out some stayed.
Then the crusades came and the crusaders and the Muslims duked it out and chased each other back and forth.
ymic83 1 year ago
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ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
Jewish homeland in Argentina. - Herzl thought it would be an idea that the Jewish state would be in Argentina, he didn't have much support.
When Uganda was brought up, it was supported, the rejected.
The Basel plan was brought up in 1897 which supported the Jewish State in Israel.
The first Aliya (Jews coming to Israel) was in 1882 (not 1918 like you falsely claimed) which also caused the vote to go to a Jewish State in Palestine.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
The Balfour!! declaration in 1917 was the British Government announcing that that they recognized the Jewish state in their Historical land.
After WW1 there was a change in the British government and this plan was never implanted.
ymic83 1 year ago
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@ymic83 But let me throw that same question back at you, before colonizing” the land that is now known as Palestine” in 1947 you name one Israeli prime minister before David Grün or as he’s better known as Ben-Gurion? Also name one King or queen of Israel or Judah that’s not traditional or based on biblical story books were are there true tombs, Saladin I can tell you is buried in a mausoleum and his tomb is located at the Umayyad mosque in Damascus, Syria.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 And we move on to the next bit of your annoying comment you point out that until the 1960's the Arabs refused to be called Palestinians because they considered it an affront because it wasn't the Islamic name for the nation, so what, you just like to twist the truth and you come out with half-truths in the hope of misleading people as for the British noting that the Arabs were ruthless we also noted that you were terrorists, fact,
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 King David hotel was a Irgun terrorist act, carried out by a terrorist organization, until now I have tried to show you the courtesy of not being rude and that is one luxury that you have not afforded me, you may like to think that you are superior and more intellectual but it is you who looks like the fool, you can’t make a squire peg fit in a round hole and that to me is your propaganda and like you full of shit
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 what you are saying is that Irgun warned them about the impending explosion by phone but the British because of their arrogance did nothing, Of course you forgot to explain why a sixteen year old kid, Adina Hay was used to make the so called warnings if that is indeed what they were before the attack, any credence I may have had for you has now evaporated and I once again consider you to be an ass-hole.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 As for claiming Israel’s guilt in genocide over the last 60 years or more I’m not claiming, I’m stating a fact and that also includes the complicity in the Sabra and Shatilla massacre, as for attempting to make myself feel good by trying to sound like you lol now that’s arrogance after all why would I want to sound like an ass-hole.
promac100 1 year ago
@promac100
@promac100
Um no.
Arav and desert dwellers were not modern day Arabs.
Modern day Arabs got their name from Arabia.
Those Arabs/desert dwellers left the area or got mixed up when Egypt/Babylon/Persia/Greece/Rome conquered the Middle East.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
I agree the philistines were masters of forging weapons and battle, they were always by the shores of Ashdod, Ashkelon and Gat. In the end King David defeated them and then they were lost to history as there is no recollection of them in the times of the Babylonians and Romans.
Just because you say that word fact, doesn’t mean you are pointing out facts.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
Actually as far as the Romans go, the Jews put up a really good fight for many years and the Romans had to work hard and send tens of battalions here.
The fact that the Roman Empire took years to capture a small country proves that they weren’t crushed. But they pretty much ruled the world so what chance did a small country have.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
As far as Josephus goes, most historians say that you have to take what he says with a grain of salt since the Romans took him to document their conquest and to glorify Rome. So historians believe that his descriptions are probably not accurate.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
Herzl visited Israel in October 1898 to meet with William the 2nd.
This was in response to the Basel plan in 1897 for a Jewish Home land in Israel. The Zionist congress adopted this in 1897 and that’s why Herzl went to Israel in 1898. After not getting cooperation they started to look for temporary alternatives due to the pogroms in Europe. So unlike you stated, it was their first choice.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
I’ll start with the 2nd Balfour declaration which has nothing to do with the subject we are discussing, was about the situation of the Empires dominions after WW1.
The one in 1917 which you quoted from was correct. But there wasn’t prejudice, before the Jews came, the whole land was a desert (see mark twain and visits by British parties.) They dried the swamps and started growing crops and taught the Arabs how to do it too.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
Most of the Arabs and Jews got along and worked together till the 30s when Hitler came to power and the Mufti of Jerusalem joined forces with him. Then the main problems in Israel started. There was no prejudice, the British treated the Arabs like saints and the Jews like crap and didn’t bother intervening in the Hebron massacre on when the brave Arab warriors killed nurses and doctors (who helped treat the Arab families by the way) in the Hadassah convoy.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
The Romans named it provencia de palestina since the philistines who came from Greece/Rome were cousins to Rome.
When salach a din conquered the city (and I agree he was a great warrior, in fact, the Rambam (who is one of the Jews most famous scholars) was his personal doctor (gotta love the irony). He led the famous battle between the crusaders and Muslims on the outskirts of Europe. Yet, the word “Palestine” is not mentioned once in the Koran.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
The Muslims hold that Palestine is historical and holy to Muslims (however in their prayers they turn their butts to the dome of the rock, but go figure).
As far as your attempt to answer about leaders of the Palestinians years ago. Salach a din was the king of Egypt. The one thing about tribal people is they usually migrate based on certain conditions.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
I admit that there are some tribes that lived here for a few hundred years they had their areas, but not the whole Country. Also many Jews lived in Jerusalem for hundreds of years before the 1800’s, especially after the Spanish inquisition. So it can go both ways.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
As for Jewish kings in Israel there are many coins found with the Hasmonaean Dynasty of yanay and jonathon aristablus and some more, and there are ancient scrolls which tell the tale of the area.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
As far as the Arabs being called Palestinians, they found it insulting since it was a non Muslim way of calling them, they even refused to the letter P on their uniforms when fighting alongside the British because the P stood for Palestine. They didn’t call the Arabs terrorists because the Arabs didn’t attack the British troops, and let’s face it, the Arabs massively outnumbered the Jews back then, so the British picked a side, especially since they needed oil.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
They wanted Peace throughout their empire, so they gave the Arabs guns, tanks and planes. So the British weren’t too objective. This is also one of the reasons the Irgun attacked British troops. They were supplying the Arabs with guns and ammunition to kill Jews.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
As for the bombing of the King David. What’s the difference if a 16 year old girl called or an 80 year old man? The call was made and the British ignored it. The British admitted years later that a call was made, but it wasn’t delivered to someone who could have done anything about it. So in your eyes and the British the Irgun were terrorists, you have a right to think that, I think differently.
ymic83 1 year ago
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ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
As far as the “genocide” for the last 60 years, just because you say the word fact, doesn’t mean you are telling the truth. So you believe what you want to believe and propagandize it any way you want. It was also stated the world was flat once, we saw how that turned out.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
As far as you being rude and attempting to insult me, I wasn’t surprised when I saw it. I knew it was a matter of time until you would drop your “civilized” act. As far as sounding like me, you were the one that quoted me using the word “learn” during each “fact” posted. Or the “sorry about the long string of messages” quoted word for word from one of my messages.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
As I can tell I have given detailed responses to most of your accusations. I’m not worried about open minded objective people thinking I look like a fool. After all, I wasn’t the one that felt I had to get my points across by using school yard insults.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 The Arav and what you call the desert dwellers may not have been modern day Arabs but one thing I can tell you is that they were not Jews so what’s your point?
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 As for the philistines, if you believe in King David, and I don’t, then and only then would what you say hold any water.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 You talk with pride almost regarding the Romans, but the fact remains you were crushed, and your excuse is that what chance did a small country have, to that I would say look at Scotland smaller than Israel and far less advanced, so did the Romans crush the Scots? No but the Romans did build a wall just like Israel to keep the Scots out.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 As for Josephus you say most historians say that you have to take what he says with a grain of salt but at the end of the day that is only your perception of the facts.
Now we come to Theodor Herzl and like I pointed out you would put me right, but it doesn’t alter the fact that your wise men and religious leaders never consider Palestine to be there first and ONLY choice?
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 We’ll move on from the Balfour declaration as I have pointed out, my view on it was ether corruption or bad judgment, I also once again have to agree with you in regards to that most Arabs and Jews did get along and worked together until the 30s
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 And contrary to your belief in me being anti-Jewish nothing could be further from the truth anyway as a reply to your comment that Arab warriors killed nurses and doctors, do you truly believe that the IDF are so blameless? When replying to this post, please don’t insult me with any propaganda.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 I think we can also move on from the Romans now (provencia de palestina) and Saladin as we seem to agree on those points, and I’m not going to get in to the, ”why the Muslims didn’t want to be called Palestinians” thing, and as for the English picking sides based on oil believe me we are still doing it and that go’s for the US and Israel as well.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 I also don’t want to get in to why the British Empire was giving the Arabs guns, tanks and planes when the US has been and is still doing the very same thing for Israel, all I will say is that the British Empire as it was then has more than its fair share of blood on its hands.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 The bombing of the King David. you say What's the difference if a 16 year old girl called or an 80 year old man, well first it’s believability would you take what a kid said at face value? And you remember what you have said the next time a kid is used (wrongly) against you. As for the Irgun being terrorist’s one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter and you’d do well to remember that as well.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 It was you who I said was being rude, I was being sarcastic when using the words "learn "and "fact" you use them on your channel in such a patronizing and one-sided way like yours is the only truth, now I don’t take you to be a fool and as a historian you should have an open mind and know that there are two sides to every story.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 As for the sorry about the long string of messages bit, well that was taking the piss a bit, but it was also to show that I had followed some of your posts as well, I hope that I have also given as best I can at this moment detailed responses to your posts as for my school yard insults, if you remember it was you who decided to be patronizing in the first place with comments like 8th grade and so on
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 .Till next time, I wish for you and the rest of the Middle East a fair and sustainable peace
promac100 1 year ago
@promac100
I don't know how this proves that Israel was a Palestinian country (Palestinian kings/queens/prime ministers? Can you name 1?)
The name Palestine was given by the Romans to the area of Judea (actually it was called provincia de Palestina)
It was fought over for years by the crusaders and army of salach a din.
in the late 1800's there were maybe 200K Arabs in Palestine.
Most of them were travelers between Africa and the middle east under the Ottoman Empire.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 As for the crusaders be it the Knights Templar/Hospitaller's or one of the corrupt King’s ofEurope let me be the first to tell you that just like Israel, they came in the name of their merciful God to steal murder and claim the land as their own,
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 And your pitiful comment regarding kings/queens or prime ministers of Palestine you know full well that they were a tribal people as I am not an historian all I can say is that salach a din or Saladin as he’s known in the west was a great leader and warrior
promac100 1 year ago
@promac100
Did you know that until the 60's the Arabs refused to be called Palestinians because they considered it an insult because it wasn't the Islamic name for the Country?
As far as cruelties go, the Arabs were the ones killing Jewish Farmers way before the Haggana was born (I guess you forgot to "learn" that.)
Even the British noted that the Arabs were ruthless and killed many farmers. women and children.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 do you know you are the biggest lier i've ever seen
do you know it's called palastine even before the year 800
am an arab and believe me i now my history and langauge better then you
plglg 1 year ago
@promac100
King David hotel - I too don't think it was a good idea. But the Irgun warned them by phone before the explosion to leave the area before the bombs blow up.
The British originally stated that no call was made, however it is believed that they wanted to show that they don't take orders from the Irgun so they did nothing.
After a few years even the British admitted that the call was made but not someone with the power to take action.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
Of course you forgot to explain why the Irgun blew up the king David and why it was formed. What was the background?
Of course all propaganda tells half facts and half truths, it makes their lie more believable.
Your claim that Jews murder people for 60 years - I see your back to your old self. Leaving aside history and using plain old propaganda. I guess the 20 minutes you looked through wikipedia really had its toll on you.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83Now we come to that European Jew Theodor Herzl, Founder of political Zionism who never are far as I’m aware ever set foot in Palestine but please correct me if I’m wrong as I know you will,my only point in bringing that up was as a comparison, you say that you have a right to the land of Palestine because of some biblical Texts if that is so then why with all your so called wise men from the Zionist congress including Jewish religious leaders was Palestine not your first and only choice?
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 The Balfour! Declaration well as you should know there were two, the first was made in a letter from Conservative Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Walter Rothschild and that was the 1917 Balfour declaration that favored the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, but in its favor it did state that it be clearly understood that “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine”
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 The second Balfour declaration 1926, was to acknowledge the self-governing part of the British Commonwealth or, formerly, British Empire as fully autonomous states, all I can say to that is although us Brits have made some monumental cock up’s in the past ether through corruption or just plain and simple bad judgment the Balfour declaration was one of them.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 So we are back to the Romans again, OK if like you say, and for once I agree with you the Romans named it Palestine or provincia de Palestina I’m not going to nitpick, so I will rephrase Palestine, to the land that is now known as Palestine, you ask how that proves Israel was a Palestinian country for that I redirect you to my first comment.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 Now I could go on to mention the Romans but I know that is still a bit of a sore point with you lot as not only did you get well and truly defeated but you got ya ass kicked out as well, so let us proceed to Learn how in 1906 the Zionist congress decided that the Jewish homeland should be Palestine after changing their first declaration in 1904, where they decided that a national home for Jews would be in Argentina.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 We all know the rest of the history with the Belford declaration so (Learn how) these simple facts clearly points to the right of the Palestinian people who’s land it is long before 1917 and as we all know (Learn how) So many events since 1917 revealed the true brutality, cruelty and unfairness of Zionist Israel who unjustly murdered or assassinated Palestinian/Lebanese civilians, and Learn how that included thousands of women and children,
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 Learn how in 1918 After WW1 ended the Jews just like you began to migrate to Palestine, which was set aside as a British mandate and learn how since then the Zionist thieves’ have been building illegal settlements and murdering the people of Palestine for over 60 years
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 Learn how this is but the tip of the iceberg some examples of massacres 1946: King David Hotel 90 murdered, Learn how in1982: Sabra and Shatila massacre 3500 savagely murdered by the world terrorist Ariel Sharon with Unit 101, up to the present day with the 2010: Mavi Marmara and the assassination of 9 passengers, “Sorry for the long string of messages I just felt it was important to say” :-))
promac100 1 year ago
@promac100
Sabra and Shatilla - The Syrian Social Nationalist Party assassinated Bachir Gemayel. Phalangists, who were Lebanese Christians took their revenge on the Sabra and shatilla people while they were supposed to be looking for terrorists.
Israel was found as indirectly responsible since they controlled that region and used the Phalangists to help clear out terrorists.
These groups hated each other back from the Lebanese civil war.
ymic83 1 year ago
@promac100
All in all everything you wrote took maybe 10 minutes of research and it was more propagandized then actually pointing out history and facts.
You attempted to make yourself feel good by trying to sound like me in what I write in my channel.
I did learn history. You leaned little snippets in an attempt to sound knowledgeable.
When you used the word learn, it didn't make you sound credible.
Its quite sad actually.
Till next time, i bid you adieu
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83
do you know that 70% of palastine people are under 18 and when you are planes throw bombs they are throwing on them and this is from what my brother have seen and my friends who went to gaza
and what the 13 israelies are killed while hundreds of Palestinians are killed you you are defending a country wich lives on killing inicents .. the siege the wars the lands that are been taken your country is an army no more then just an army !!!!!!!!!!
plglg 1 year ago
@plglg
well the Romans called Judea provincia de palestina since the philistines came from southern (what is known now as Greece).
the name stuck through the crusades, that is why its called Palestine for so many years.
I recall saying that, so i don't know why you say i lied.
So far you haven't proven you know history, you have just said that you are an Arab, so therefore u know middle eastern history better them me.
That's just sad generalizing.
BTW where is Palestine mentioned in the koran?
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83
it was allways mentioned as the holly land but it is mentioned by omar al khattab and and al kholfa'a al rashdeen
plglg 1 year ago
@plglg
So where did the sudden name Palestine that was so holy come from?
It was always called the land of Israel and it didn't change for thousands of years.
So the words Palestine and Palestinians aren't mentioned the Koran.
you just admitted that.
I guess it was just catchy so they decided to keep it and claim years of "Palestinian" history.
ymic83 1 year ago
@plglg
and as far as what your brother saw.
I heard people say they see Elvis.
I heard people say they have seen aliens.
Just because your brother said it, doesn't mean its true.
yes unfortunately some kids die when a bomb is dropped and Israel tries to avoid it.
In the 6 day war, Israel lost about 800 soldiers and the Arabs lost 25000.
The reason there were so few casualties in Gaza is because the Hamas is pathetic. Its great at attacking civilians, but cant fight an army.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 i saw videos and pics
tries to avoid it !!! please give me a break
wich war is that ??
plglg 1 year ago
@plglg
Congrats you saw youtube videos.
And since youtube videos cant be altered or edited, they must be the final authority on history and world events.
And of course the Palestinians are so honest about everything.
Even their leader Yasser arafat "didn't" steal millions of dollars which Suha is now enjoying in paris.
Ever hear of Pallywood?
There are plenty of videos showing plenty of food in Gaza markets. But the Palestinians claim starvation.
ymic83 1 year ago
@plglg
Palestinian men are 8th in world in Obesity and Palestinian women are 3rd.
The Palestinians also claimed Israel dropped poison candy from helicopters.
I can go on and on about Palestinians telling lies.
But I don't see a point.
You watch youtube and think you know everything.
So that is the level of your comments.
You will believe what you want to believe no matter what happens.
if that makes you happy, then C'est la vie.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83
give me the source
plglg 1 year ago
@plglg
this is one source
israelwhat(.)com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/14-Obesity(.)jpg
shows the economist report in obesity..
plus you can google it to find out more.
ymic83 1 year ago
@plglg
by the way I want you to know that I have nothing against you personally.
You are entitles to your opinion as is everyone else.
I even think you have a realy cute kid. (I assume thats your kid in your profile picture.)
ymic83 1 year ago
@plglg
true that some innocents were killed, its unfortunate and happens in every war.
But the Hamas were brave enough to fire rockets from schools and fire from behind little kids, the "brave" "warriors" that they are.
You are blaming Israel that the Hamas talk tough but when they have to fight, they run. That's why so many Hamas terrorists were killed.
Just like the 6 day war.
Israel lost so few troops because they were better and they fought bravely.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 where is your proof ??
the people of gaza had told me that you kill them even if they put a white flag on top of their house
plglg 1 year ago
@plglg
By the way I served in Gaza before Israel left in 2005.
You know how many Palestinian fathers brought their kids to my base to get treatment for sickness's and injuries?
Do you know that we had to take them back at night so they wouldn't be seen, because if the Hamas knew they came to us for help they would kill the family.
Or perhaps you should read about how Hamas threw unarmed Fatah people off rooftops. Again the "brave" "warriors" in action.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83
do you really expect me to believe that ??!!
your just another lier i saw and heard and as i said to you my brother and my sister went their
and my sister went with the freedom flotilla and she saw what happened thier and how did your soldiers killed the people without showing no mercy !!! and how they lied on the people threw the media
do you really expect me to believe these lies am not stupid i know what is israel you are no more than an army
plglg 1 year ago
@plglg
OK. Don't believe me.
You have said liar many times but with no way of backing up what you are saying.
So don't believe me, I wont lose sleep over that.
And I have friends and myself who say that you are lying.
i can see that a lot will come out of this conversation.
So don't call someone a liar unless you can prove (and you can't) that someone is actually lying.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83
it isn't even the way the kill people there
the cut of the heads of the zionist agents who are killing them and the inecent children and women
plglg 1 year ago
@plglg
Yes Yes.
Cut the heads off the evil Zionist snakes bla bla bla.
innocent 18 year old boys with rocket launchers.
They were only holding them because the evil Israelis don't allow baseball bats into Gaza so they had to use RPG launchers.
That wasn't a bomb strapped to him, it was cigar holders.
At least be creative.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 @ymic83 ears old playing with his friend near his house and arocket hits his house and another one hits him
this is a more real story
plglg 1 year ago
@plglg
i dont deny that inncoent civilians were killed.
this is the gross and unjust nature of war and it should be minimized.
I also know that the IDF dropped pamphlets warning people to stay away from certain areas to avoid civilian deaths.
I am saying that Israel didnt intentionally kill civilians.
I knoq this as a former soldier and our orders were not to shoot if there were innocent civillians around.
ymic83 1 year ago
@ymic83 @ymic83
@ymic83
3rd millennium be it arav or desert dwellers at the end of the day that were Arabs NOT Jews that inhabited Palestine and as for getting biblical, it was facts I was pointing out, to me Abraham and his sons are just another story that I have no belief in and just because you do that does not make it true.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 First let’s not split hairs, some the Jews won, but all in all the philistines were far superior militarily and technically and far out classed you and you were well and truly defeated, fact.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83 Ah the Romans, you say the Israelites lost, I say they were crushed and why let’s have a look at Josephus’ own introduction for the Jewish war: For that it was a seditious (treasonable) temper of our “own” that destroyed it and that they were the tyrants among the Jews who brought the Roman power upon us, who unwillingly attacked us, and occasioned the burning of our holy temple, and the only Jews that stayed were the ones that kissed the Roman ass, but like you say Shit happens.
promac100 1 year ago
@ymic83
yes i know my religion, and i know that u re talking nonsense ,at least u don t have any proofs
what i m seeing right now,is zionists killing muslims and christians in palestine, americans killing muslims and christians in iraq , afghanistan ,bosnia , tchechénie , india ,lebanon ....
that what i m watching everyday on tv , u can t say the same
palestinemoncoeur 1 year ago