Lost Part 5 - Air Crash Investigation/Mayday

[OghamTheBold]

I also forgot about the speed brakes - I was saying to myself - pull up - pull up - I was not thinking - cancel the speed brakes

But I award myself 1/2 point - because as soon as I realised they were disorientated in the mountains - in the dark - I instinctively said - climb

[x11115]

the simple solution was the captain should have not tried to force the landing and make a safe change of course to make a new approach. he did the opposite of what a good pilot should do.

[avi92886]

bunch of idiot pilots

[BIGgymnast10]

Omg i feel bad for everyone r.i.p everyone who died...

[dreamcavern]

Haiz. Probably because I am more calm, and sitting down here... But what should have been done, even an untrained person like myself has enough common sense to know (what to do). Really very stupid. Rest in peace, and may God bless the survivors.

[unbrutal]

Most of the crash is started by the equipment error, but human make it to become worth....

[x11115]

@unbrutal, incorrect it's usually pilot error that causes crashes. sometimes they don't read the manuals on the equipment. there's always going to be mechanical failure but they must be prepared for the correct procedure to correct the problem. Most of the time there's a way out. A properly trained pilot can usually defeat most mechanical failures. If flying was so simple they wouldn't need pilots.

[denelson83]

If you're a commercial airline pilot, you must remember that the approach that you've briefed for before the flight is the approach that the flight is committed to, and you may use no other approach. If you want to use an alternate approach, you brief for it first, before even pushing back.

[madmaksio]

did anyone noticed that every major crash has experienced pilots behind sticks?routine is a killer! experienced pilots don't follow regulations to the same level as noobies and they do a lot of things their way believing that their flight is just a routine. First thing they need to learn(and remember till their retirement) is that NO TWO FLIGHTS ARE ALIKE!

[fightingtemeraire]

Almost every crash you will see on Air Crash Investigations has extremely well trianed and experienced pilots at the controls because major airlines do not employ 'noobies'. Most major airline pilots are ex military and have flown extensively on other aircraft before they even get near the FO seat on a jet airliner. Saying that experienced pilots do not follow regulations is a very serious allegation. Most pilots are good pilots and good pilots follow regulations in almost all cases.

[Psychopath2704]

Shut up.... Listen: YOU think, that there are major crashes with experienced pilots only, BUT (Now we see, you are not a insider) there are many crashes with unexperiented Pilots. Look at the DLH we had a "Nearly-Crash" at Hambrg some Months ago. The unroutined landed, tthe left wing touched the Runway, but the routined safed the life of all Passengers. If you don't have the Knowledge, Shut up.

[secret00agent00man]

routined?

[slannmage]

Pilot Error again.

However it's easy to say what you could do different with hindsight but we all make small mistakes.

[oakland002]

WTF, you need a freaken GPS,

[fightingtemeraire]

Modern GPWS (known as EGPWS) includes GPS and issues warnings if the aircraft is on course to fly into known high ground.

[alaido2]

If you are in mountainous terrain at night or in instrument conditions, and have smallest bit of a feeling you have lost you situational awareness, maintain minimum safe altitude. 100 times you will manage to get back on course without troubles. The 101th will be your last...

[RedDynasty123]

All the pilots that crashed were experienced, because when you are an experienced at something, you think you are all that, and you stop taking all those procedures, just like when I am good at math, sometimes I do not finish all of my homework, because I have done the question and know the solution already, so I skip that question, its just like skipping a step or not noticing because you have done it hundreds of times before.

[drVitall]

Without radar Columbian traffic controller simply did not know where airplane is:((

[KnightTrain1979]

exactly, why is there no mention of this?

[Persiangulf127]

I know many airports lack proper RADAR equipment,and it is not a MUST for airports to have full functioning and state of the art RADAR technology; but still, we have to recognize part of the blame - a very small part of the blame - could've been aimed at the Colombians ...

[reclusedxx]

The Colombian Rebels (FARC) destroyed the radars a year or so earlier. Rough time in Colombia at the time.

[Suzyiz]

Does anyone but me notice that every single pilot on this show "have years of experience with this plane, and with the company" ? Are there no crashes by a pilot on like their 3 flight ever?

[ALAJOHNSTONE]

No they are always seasoned pilots that have been on the routes and aircraft many times before. It takes a lot of experience to have a crash like this. A novice pilot simply does not have what it takes to make the critical series of errors that culminate in a bad air crash. I would fly with a new pilot any day, much more careful.

Oh, would you prefer an optimistic pilot or a pessimistic one?? Pessimistic one. They will always think the worst will happen and will make preparations accordingly.

[bryanholl]

Perhaps it is like what they say about car crashes, that 90% of car crashes happen within a few miles of home, on roads very familiar to the driver. We believe that because we know the road so well we don't need to pay much attention. Just a thought...

[victoriaindigo]

@ALAJOHNSTONE Interesting point. The First Officer seemed much more reluctant to take ATC's offer of the straight in runway. Whereas the experienced Captain seemed to want to accept the runway change right away. Also, the more experienced Captain was probably more concerned with the fact that the flight had been delayed in Miami to wait for transfer passengers. He probably wanted to make up for that time more than the First Officer, who didn't seem to feel right about switching last minute.

[90437543]

No offence but this crash was the pilots fault due to their actions of trying to find the Rozo signal but then was led off course

[themightyjfox]

Why dont Boeing and co put the MSA for each waypoint that way the FMC can alert the pilots if they have selected an unsafe altitude .

[textthing]

They forgot to retract the speed brakes? What the hell??

[SVA005]

Boeing and Airbus should come up with a system that once the throttles are pushed to max thrust spiloers should retract automaticly. Limit the pilot error! May the passengers RIP.

[arvyyy9]

"lost situational awareness"?! frikking hell!. They didn't know where they were and what they were doing!. Auto Pilot sucks and pilots have become too frikking lazy!. Fat cats sitting on fat seats and getting lazy!

[iraqidolphin]

They are reading a book to program the plane and don't know where their plane is! Don't the cockpit have it's own radar screen to be exact.

[themurder2k5]

yep, but they got confused as to where they were heading. They were already on the approach and had to make quick decicions which cost them their lives. The loss of situational awareness shoulda triggered them to immediately abandon the approach and climb to the min safe alt and then figure everything out up there.

[iraqidolphin]

Sounds better.

[iraqidolphin]

I will never fly on a moonless night again. No visuals for the crew.

[lvlvllvg14]

but why did the flight computer not show Rozo, when the captain type R?

[PsychoMenkz]

I guess it's because the redar signles were given by a different tower wich excluded Rozo

[iraqidolphin]

It did, but shows the other R's which are closer to the plain. Captain just picked the first R displayed. And the Air traffcic controller had no radar screen to tell the pilots what they were doing.

[higgrobot]

For the flight ticket buying public, The "pilot error" pill is a less bitter pill to swallow than the "this can happen again" pill!

[pesciro]

You are absolutely right.

[Clausfarre]

Routine schmoutine.

[joshmill100]

older not nececelary wiser haha

[reptilehunter2]

more pilot error never the plane

[Kobe8No8Means8No]

Pilot was too old. Older pilots needs to be retrained to use computers.

[Blatpoppin5]

the whole point that the plane crashed was because they relied on the computer if they toggle up the computer so much they might have gotten back on track

[cammaro08]

Cool