Affirmative Action Debate: Q & A, part 5 (12 of 14)

[GTBeauregard]

What a Brave New World when "All Created Equal" no longer means Equal Protection Under the Law. No sir. Once Civil Rights achieved that worthy goal, the goal posts had to be moved further afield. That statement now means all people "INHERENTLY have the same merit" and achieve at the same level. If anyone is achieving at a lower level, whites must be keeping them down. Amazingly, people by into this nonsense. No excuses for the under-achieving white fortunately, please keep it that way.

[chubbatheBOSS]

LOL Joseph Phillips should stick with his dumb shit football players and actors' guild. Would he have been for slavery when people "wanted to do it?" ... US history very rarely is about setting up what is fair or what people "want to do." This loser keeps looking at his white master to his right to make sure he's saying the right thing and won't be lynched.

[jdawgmcdawg]

Joseph Phillips: WHAT? CAN'T HEAR YOU!

[sk8bow]

i would also say the arguments for eliminating aa is strong too. so what are we to do? are we to argue or do we learn from these arguments in order to refine aa or modify it so both sides come together.

both sides have strong arguments, and i think both sides want the same in the end.

[sk8bow]

it's not a distortion. we know how this country was when people of power did whatever they wanted. the was segregation and there was less communication.

integration builds understanding and community values.

[GTBeauregard]

@sk8bow I thought we were talking about education. Is affirmative action a tool to shape community values?

[benympls]

I'm strongly against affirmative action for women as well!

obviously she's never talked to me

[benympls]

@benympls But its AWESOME how she just puts words in my mouth to set up a straw man to knock it down... she sounds like a politicians

[benympls]

at 1:45 the lady looks like she wants to jump tim's bone but what tim refuses to address is WHAT THE HELL DOES THE POLICIES OF THE 70's have to do with the son of a russian immigrant who was born in 1992 ands family wasnt even in the country when these old policies were made up... because his position will STILL effect him.

[jackfire55]

Trans-Racial Adoption Studies. Race differences in IQ remain following adoption by White middle class parents. East Asians grow to average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower. The Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study followed children to age 17 and found race differences were even greater than at age 7: White children, 106; Mixed-Race children, 99; and Black children, 89.

[GTBeauregard]

@jackfire55 No no, evolution over thousands of years had effect below the neck only. Brains don't evolve; they really aren't that important for survival - well, tool making, that's about it; perhaps societal organization, altruism to group, child rearing behavior, - see? why would the brain evolve?

[INatalkaI]

Tim Wise is the white equivalent of an Uncle Tom.

[joelbattle]

@INatalkaI , that doesn't make sense. Tim Wise is just telling the TRUTH. When did Uncle Tom tell the truth?

[elendinel]

@islandmuffin Well duh, more babies would solve the problem. But even easier/better than that would be allowing more immigrants to become permanent residents in the country, which would allow the population to stabilize without forcing the Japanese to mate like bunnies in order to keep their population growing. And social welfare is hardly the problem; the economy is going to decline because there won't be enough people in the workforce to sustain the economy itself (never mind social welfare).

[GTBeauregard]

@elendinel Yes, the horror of mating, gross. Japan's birthrate is low for the same reason ours is - women choosing materialism over family.

[elendinel]

@islandmuffin Japan is also about to enter a sharp decline because there are significantly more elderly people in Japan than young people, in part because of its severe xenophobia. Japan isn't exempt from the rule that diversity helps promote success.

[GTBeauregard]

@elendinel Japan is old because of xenophobia??????? Try birth rates. As if the only way to grow a population is through immigration. You do understand that by your solution of immigration for Japan's birthrates; Japanese will cease to exist.

[daming209]

thomas sowell should have been in this debate. He would have disproved everything that Tim wise had to say.

[amenra13]

@6:00 "Integration is a great thing. I'm for that when people want to do it." Wow! He is essentially saying that he is AGAINST the 1954 supreme court decision of Brown vs. Board of Education and FOR Plessy vs Furguson of 1896. Maybe his real motive came out when he mentioned getting "a critical mass of white girls down at Spelman". There will always be human beings brainwashed by their oppressors who will be presented to passionately argue the merits of their own subjugation.

[PrezAlex]

I support you when you talk about the fact that this idea of meritocracy is utter crap. The fact that this country and world community has racism in its veins even now. The fact that oppression cuts along many, many lines. These things are all true and I thank you for telling these truths.

[daizee106]

You do not want an explanation. You want to be the only person that life is not fair to, and this is simply not true. No matter how many of your marxist professors have tried to brainwash that into your head, and try to pit you against every white person you meet.You are deluded about all white people being priveledged.its just that noone cares when you are white and treated unfairly. I have an extremely high IQ but was looked over for special interest as I was very poor.Sorry, but you are wrong

[daizee106]

Get over yourself and stop crying and get on with life. Life is unfair period. Not just for your self important ass

[daizee106]

I drive a nice car and live in a nice neighborhood. I pulled over in a parking lot of a closed restraunt to talk on my phone. As soon as I pulled out, I was pulled over and harrassed by the police. I dress in buisness casual clothes. So maybe that is clear enough to you. I have many things that I worked very hard for. NO PRIVELEDGE involved. It can be done. But you had rather sit around with your race card and piss and moan about how life is not fair.Its not fair for anyone who is poor

[daizee106]

I have been pulled over in a white neighborhood for looking suspicious. YES I HAVE!!!! So pull your lying race card somewhere else. You do not live in the real world

[daizee106]

Not true. I have tried and me being white does not matter. Upper middle class white looks down on poor white, the same way they look at black, latino or any other color. They are of a different class. You can wish to believe this, but it is not true. YOU have the upper hand because YOU have affirmative action. Poor white trash does not

[daizee106]

I am so sick of this MYTH of white priveledge. I was raised poor white/native american. I had NO advantages. We are seen by the wealthier whites as TRASH. I did not get to go to college when I was Young, because my Parents could barely afford rent and food. I worked hard and got myself an education. I did not get any help from government, because my husband and i made 33k a year. I guess this is the definition of white priveledge

[oober349]

Kimberle is insane.

She's putting words in everyone's mouths

[tombigbee29]

Such as?

[oober349]

she's not just disagreeing with, she's straw manning their position as actively racist

[Owner46]

Tim: well they shouldn't "Expect" representation Tim.

Representation is a byproduct of academic merit. I swear if it weren't for the arguement against standardized testing and the "legacy kids do it too so it's ok"-arguements, these pro-AA people would have nothing.

[HISTstdt285]

tim wise is so completely wrong

[firefox8192]

TIM WISE IS IN DEED A THREAT TO (AMERICA) WHITESUPREMACY. HE IS A WEAPON OF MASS CONSTRUCTION. TRYING TO PUT AN END TO THE DESTRUCTION OF NON WHITE CIVILIZATION. THESE CONSERVATIVES ARE TRYING ALL THEY CAN TO PREPARE THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD TO ACCEPT THE RE-ENSLAVEMENT OF NON WHITE PEOPLE VIA THE BELL CURV etc.

[Meda01]

Now, I think it discredits his statement to end it with lets get a bunch of white girls to these almost all black schools.

[Entropy56]

All this shit is a result of government interfering with education and employment. The solution to all this is to get government out of education and out of the marketplace. Government is the root problem.

[RDezicle]

Entropy56 thats the smartest comment I've heard all day, if you read the bible and notice that Jesus was always trying to get to the root of the problem which were the pharisees, who in that time were in authority(power) and doing crooked things, read the whole chapter of matthew 23 look at how JESUS reacted and compare everything to today

[qlaw04]

Kim is rediculous and a perfect example of why AA is a bad policy for accademics.

Her only contribution to this dabate has been straying the topic and calling the side opposite, racist.

[Romello4u]

She won that point!

[atoda1112]

the beneficiaries of race and gender conscious affirmative action programs encompass a wide range of communities. Many groups, including white women, Arab Americans, Asian Americans, Latino Americans and Native Americans heavily rely on affirmative action programs in the areas of K-12 education, college and university admissions and financial aid, employment and contracting. With the passage of Proposal 2, all these groups stand to be hurt.

[BillBisco]

Kimberle's argument is filled with slippery slope, and she is using the Strawman argument to describe the opposite side. Simply amazing.

[misayo85]

Wow dustcurrington is such a fucking tool. Let me guess, you are a Bush fan?

[thatbrothasmoove]

"sane civilized society"? And to whom might you be referring?

Sane, civilized white people?

Your racism isn't even THINLY veiled.  Thank you for your open hostility.

TBS

[andrewim2]

YES!!! DO IT...LOL!!

[rgb404]

Jesus!!! Tim Wise is a Nuclear Bomb..You better have your Sh*t together with him! Kim and Kimberlé as well very knowledgeable.

[benympls]

@rgb404

Yeah right!

you confuses anger with accuratesse, he keeps bringing up how grades dont matter & they dont prove anything so who cares. thats a completely different discussion.

[powerwire]

@rgb404 I wish I could have added two thumbs up. 

[bigball805]

@rgb404 The man is just a bit louder on the mic, not to say that he doesn't have his Shit together,

but the guy that truly comes across as intellectual is John McWhorter who unlike Tim he is not as animated; and therefore easily dismissed.

Loud people with a few stats seem smarter than soft spoken encyclopedias...

[derivativesarecool]

@bigball805 Einstein was a soft-spoken encyclopedia. Gates is a soft-spoken encyclopedia. And unfortunately, Jobs was also a soft-spoken, yet brilliant, encyclopedia. Sarah Palin, unfortunately, is an animated loud mouth, like Mr. Wise.

[kazakhstanmkj]

@rgb404 Tim Wise is a NUCLEAR BOMB. You better come correct! I love him.

[bellier]

you speak Kim!!!!