Palestine and Washington's role - 5 Nov 2008

[AKSKSMAN]

I'm glad the Jews are kicking ass. After WW2 they need to release their oppression so they can forget the past. It's no different than the niggers in the US turning their streets into a crack filled war zone. They just need to let their inner monkey out so they can forget about slavery that they never even experienced. This is how the end of the world starts. Everybody will soon feel oppressed and wronged in someway and it will be time for them to fight back. I can't wait.

[rfjord]

BO's Chief of Staff (see Wikipedia): an Israeli citizen who patriotically served the Israeli Army in the '91 Gulf War, whose father fought with IRGUN (Stern Gang - King David Hotel Massacre, etc) and named his son after a friend who was in LEHI (murdered UN Mediator Folke Bernadotte etc). Some (The Times, New York Times, Einstein, Churchill etc) have called these zionist organisations 'terrorist'. He says 'I'm proud of my heritage', his Dad said 'Obviously, he will influence BO to be pro-Israel'

[muhsin001]

lol u look like zionist!!

[shadowdaarab]

listen to my song about palestine

come check it out

[Prunesqualer]

I remember back in 1999 there seemed so much more hope. Why did israel have to elect a convicted war criminal. such a wasted opertunity. Lets hope obama won't be compleatly cowed by AIPAC etc.

[petealun]

DrBaruchdeSpinoza:

There is a Palestine. There is a group that considers themselves Palestinians. There is a country called "America" and in it lives "Americans" - there was never an "American" person until a group of people declared it (1776)...A people can identify themselves as "Palestinians" even if there is no tribal origin. I am an American who visits frequently Israel,West Bank and Gaza. I support Israel, but even Moshe Dayan knew the territories would be a cancer for Israel.

[oelhayek]

palestinians have been suffering like this ever since the british came in. there was no israel there was just of neighbors living in peace until the west decided to get rid of their jews and build a monster called israel

[DrBaruchdeSpinoza]

Part 1

There Is No Palestine:

There is no "Palestine people" and there is no "Palestine." The lands that today constitute the State of Israel, Judea, Samaria (the West Bank), Gaza and the Golan are parts of Israel, the sole land of the Jews. The Jewish claim to the Land of Israel is not an ordinary nationalist one.

[MrSabre11]

problem is others would say There is no Israel..

Both points of view do not help resolution or debate..

[MrSabre11]

this is a respones to DrBaruchdeSpinoza Pt 1

[DrBaruchdeSpinoza]

Part 2

It is NOT merely derived from the fact that ONCE Jews were sovereign there, were the majority, ruled the land under their own government and that never was the land empty of Jews. . . . The fundamental and REAL Jewish claim to The Land of Israel is based on the fact that there is a Divine grant of the land to the Jewish people, and that G-d gave the Holy Land to the Jewish people in order that it be holy and create a holy society therein.

[yourfuturebosslady]

Oh yeah? Then why did the jews abandon "their" land for centuries and only came back for the sole reason that they were chased out of Europe. Had WWII not happened, would the jews have come back to reclaim "their" promised land?

Because some phony religious book gives you divine right over a land that is LEGALLY not yours, does not excuse the killing of innocent people and stripping them from their land, freedom, rights and lives. That is called Hitler Number Two.

[itsPalestine]

well put

[heavy246]

Luv your comment!

boss lady any time :)

[DrBaruchdeSpinoza]

Part 3

No other arguments - Jewish or Arab - have any relevance to the essential fact that the One who created the entire world and who possesses it, has the power and the right to give it to whomever he chooses and this is what was done more than 3,335 years ago at the time of Moses and Joshua.

[MrSabre11]

oh boy, well if the creator gave it to you then i guess he "one" took it away along time ago when with the nemourous imperial powers that the "one" allowed to occupy it... Was there a new covenant to return it? Yes, The Balfour agreement... Thank the Rothschilds and the British gov for that, not the one.. this covenant stated "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine.

[MrSabre11]

above is a response to DrBaruchdeSpinoza Pt 3 below

[DrBaruchdeSpinoza]

Part 4

This is what remains inalienable right today. The Land of Israel in its Biblical boundaries is the Divine decree to the Jewish people, it belongs to the Jewish people in its entirety and no alien trespass has any merit or chance of success.

Prof. Baruch de Spinoza, PH.D., Harvard University

[Quandary121]

Some peole may not know that there is war going on in Palestine. So let me fill you in the Isreali troups cam in 1954 to evacuate our homes. Lots of peole were living there and yet the british knew this and still promised land to the Jews. The Jews soon claimed palestine and called it Isreal. Now the kids in Palestine can't even get to school. It is so dangerous that when one person walks on the streets they could get killed. The whole country has a curfew.

[Quandary121]

You also probably heard of Hamas. Let me make this stright Hamas is not a terrorist group as said on TV. Hamas defends Palestine in anyway it can.

Some peole in this country are so fed up with the jews they throw rocks at the soldier, most peole who throw these rocks are kids at the ages 4-6. There are also some cases that go even to suicide bobings. That is the most damge they can do to these soldiers with guns.

[BigD1987]

I know about hamas. They're TERRORISTS, the lowest form of life on the planet, even below viruses! They kill innocent people for a "cause". I hate terrorists. And you dare defend them? You sir, are evil. Pure evil. I have no business with anyone who defends terrorists.

May Zeus strike you down with his lightning.

[Quandary121]

what you know is what you have been told by your media and other pro Jewish lobbyist who the fuck is Zeus you pleb an old Greek god man you are seriously fucked in the head do some bloody fact finding before you sprout your bollacks at me nob rash

[BigD1987]

I despise yahweh. He's more of a villain than Darth Vader, so I'd rather invoke a non-abrahamic god like Zeus. And I'm not the insane one. Your type is looked down upon. No one likes racists and conspiracy freaks. Why? They undermine what is supposed to be a country where people from different ethnic and religious backgrounds live. Get a life.

[Quandary121]

conspiracy freaks as you call them are know to tell the truth conspiracy are just facts not yet known by the rest of the world but because of conspiracy freaks this knowledge get out into the news you moron i give up you are obviously to engrossed in your own little world fuck off you stupid cunt Ive had it with you your a twat i have a live you need to go get one asshole

[BigD1987]

LOL! Look who's talking. I'm the one in college, you're probably living in your mama's basement. And you sound very insecure and you need to take it out on me.

[Quandary121]

dream on half wit you know nothing of me my life or how i live so dont come the high and mighty with me homeboy

[BigD1987]

You know what? I'm actually going to be the adult here and say that this conversation has gotten silly. I'll continue to live my life as a rational human being, and you shall continue as an irrational, high-and-mighty, I'm-so-great jerk. I hope you realize the error of your ways someday. Goodbye.

[Quandary121]

really says the fat boy with the attitude problems your more delusional then i thought off you go and take your meds mate there waring off i think BTW your an asshole if you didnt all ready know that thought i would mention it and while your at school do try to learn something instead of drooling everywhere they had a hard time cleaning up after you last time you visited

[BigD1987]

Well, I guess I just exposed you for who you really are. I try my best to end this conversation and here you are acting like a 7-year-old.

GOOD. BYE.

[Quandary121]

Thought you said you were going dick wad didnt learn very much in that short amount of time did ya. look do us all a favor next time when you say your going will you ....!!!! jeez like trying to educate pork

[Quandary121]

You also probably heard of Hamas. Let me make this straight Hamas is not a terrorist group as said on TV. Hamas defends Palestine in anyway it can.

Some people in this country are so fed up with the Jews they throw rocks at the soldier, most people who throw these rocks are kids at the ages 4-6. There are also some cases that go even to suicide bombings. That is the most damage they can do to these soldiers with guns.

[Quandary121]

America should also be blamed for this because it supports Israel in attacking people. Israel attacks people that are crippled and old. For example Ahmed Yassen as you may or may not have heard on the news. Ahmed was the leader of the Hamas group and was recently killed. Ahmed was a crippled old man very defenseless.

[BigD1987]

A terrorist is a terrorist nonetheless. Don't give me that nonsense.

America wants peace. The US government has a history of trying to quell the fighting. I'm sure you remember the famous handshake between Yassir Arafat and Yithzak Rabin? That was thanks in large part to the United States. The Road Map to Peace is an American plan.

[Quandary121]

The reality of occupation of the Palestinians. Most aspects of Palestinian life (including resources like water) are controlled by Israel.The West Bank city of Bethlehem under attack by Israeli forces close to the Church of the Nativity.Many Palestinian civilians are killed after Israel attacked the refugee camp in Jenin in 2002. Many of the inhabitants of Jenin had been expelled from Israel in 1948.

[BigD1987]

Yes, there are problems in Palestinian areas, I don't doubt that. But by putting the blame ONLY on Israel for this whole conflict is extremely naive, foolish and wrong.

[Quandary121]

Israel causes more harm then good your are wrong to think otherwise Palestinians are not entirely un-blamable but they have been forced to behave in this manor because of the Israelis occupation Israels army has no defense for the atrocity's committed to the Palestinians who are innocent of this the Palestinians who fight are fighting for their very lives daily Israel does not need to do what they are doing but continue to use excessive force which is why they suffer the reprisals that they do

[Quandary121]

America wants peace where in the world do you live m8 America is in the throws of attacking Iran who i might add are Israelis enemy do you not seethe connection Israel does not want peace never has another misconception on your part

[BigD1987]

The US won't attack Iran. Right now there are still options which can be solved diplomatically. Obama will sit down with the iranian president and hopefully talk some sense into him.

[Quandary121]

By late last year, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, 528 checkpoints and roadblocks were recorded in the West Bank, choking its roads every few miles. Israel's daily Haaretz newspaper puts the figure even higher: in January there were 75 permanently manned checkpoints, some 150 mobile checkpoints, and more than 400 places where roads have been blocked by obstacles.

[Quandary121]

All these restrictions on movement for a place that is, according to the CIA's World Factbook, no larger than the small US state of Colorado.

[Quandary121]

As a result, moving goods and people from one place to the next in the West Bank has become a nightmare of logistics and costly delays. At the checkpoints, food spoils, patients die, and children are prevented from reaching their schools. The World Bank blames the checkpoints and roadblocks for strangling the Palestinian economy.

[Quandary121]

Embarrassed by recent publicity about the burgeoning number of checkpoints the Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert promised the Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas in December that there would be an easing of travel restrictions in the West Bank to little effect according to reports in the Israeli media

[Quandary121]

Although the army announced last month that 44 earth barriers had been removed in fulfilment of Olmerts pledge it later emerged that none of the roadblocks had actually been there in the first place

[Quandary121]

Contrary to the impression of most observers, the great majority of the checkpoints are not even near the Green Line, Israel's internationally recognised border until it occupied the West Bank and Gaza in 1967. Some are so deep inside Palestinian territory that the army refuses to allow Machsom Watch to visit them. There, the women say, no one knows what abuses are being perpetrated unseen on Palestinians.

[Quandary121]

BigD1987 you would do well to look into the conflict from a Palestinian view point instead as your media would like the Jewish one Palestinian occupation WOULD BE A START LET ME FILL YOU IN ABIT PAL

[Quandary121]

Well said Dianna in 1949: French and Israel atomic researchers start to exchange information. Israeli Defence Force Science Corps begins two year geological survey of the Negev desert in search of recoverable Uranium.

[Quandary121]

1952: Israeli Atomic Energy Commission is created. Its chairman, Ernst David Bergmann of Israel's Weizman Institute of Science, "the father of Israel's bomb," has been promoting nuclear armed missiles for Israel since arriving after World War II. Newly elected President Eisenhower will refuse to sell arms to Israel during his two terms, ending in 1960. France sells them to Israel from 1955 to 1967.

[Quandary121]

1955: Under Atoms for Peace program, overseen by pro-Israel Lewis Stauss who was head of America's Atomic Energy Commission, U.S. helps fund a small Israeli nuclear research reactor. Strauss learned about Dimona and its purpose before the U.S. government but did not inform the U.S. government.

[Quandary121]

1953:Israeli researchers perfect a process for extracting Uranium, and developing a new method of producing heavy water which is a key ingredient in the process Hundreds of millions of dollars will be raised to build Israels nuclear bomb over the next twenty years mostly from American Jews; effort is led by Abraham Feinberg who financially backs both Presidents Truman and Johnson

[Quandary121]

(John F. Kennedy accepts his money but is incensed by the pro-Israel lobbying.)

1956: France and Israel formally and secretly agree to build a nuclear reactor in the Negev desert. Britain, France and Israel invade Egypt (Suez Canal crisis) and the Soviet Union threatens to use rockets against them if they do not desist, leading to a cease-fire. U.S. begins U-2 spy flights over targets world wide, including Israel.

[Quandary121]

1957: France and Israel sign a revised agreement calling for France to build a 24 MWt reactor; unwritten was the agreement to build a plutonium reprocessing plant.

long long before Iran ever had a plutonium reprocessing plant.

[Quandary121]

2003: Israel repeatedly demands sanctions against Iran for its nuclear program and threatens to bomb Iran's operating nuclear power plant despite Irans threats to retaliate hard against Israel Russia may have sold Iran additional advanced missiles capable of shooting down Israeli bomber and fighter jets Russian President Putin proposes Security Council formally call for establishment of a Palestinian state

[Quandary121]

and arrests last of the Jewish oligarchs who bought state industries for pennies on the dollar under YeltsinArab and other nations repeatedly ask that Israel nuclear facilities come under international inspections. So does the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Mohammed el-Baradei. United Nations General Assembly passes resolution that Israel join the nonproliferation treaty by a vote of 164-4.

[Quandary121]

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon tells Israeli newspaper that Israel will not dismantle its special measures because the U.S. will not remain in the Middle East forever.2004: Israel buys two more German submarines for delivering nuclear tipped cruise missiles, making a total of five. Mordechai Vanunu's prison term ending spring 2004.

[Quandary121]

Russia is still considered an Israeli target Russia provides technical assistance to, and diplomatic support for, Irans nuclear program It also has sold advanced missiles to Syria

[Quandary121]

In January 2007 Israeli officials voiced "extreme concern" over Russia's sale of advanced anti-aircraft missiles to Iran. They warned: "We hope they understand that this is a threat that could come back to them as well.

[Quandary121]

On November 8, 2007 President George Bush said: "If you want to see World War Three, you know, a way to do that is to attack Israel with a nuclear weapon."

[Quandary121]

Iranian threats to retaliate against Israel with 600 missiles if either Iran or Syria are attacked raise concerns about Samson Option retaliation. Dr. Jerome Corsi, author of Atomic Iran, states that Israel's Samson Option could be a preemptive strike against Iran, even if the international military and diplomatic reprisals that follow might bring disastrous consequences upon Israel itself.

[Quandary121]

And would Israel care i think not...!!!!

[Quandary121]

Israel refuses to admit it has nuclear weapons or describe how it would use them, an official policy of nuclear ambiguity, also known as "nuclear opacity." This has made it difficult for anyone outside the Israeli government to definitively describe its true nuclear policy, while still allowing Israel to influence the perceptions, strategies and actions of other governments

[BigD1987]

Can't the Israelis and the Palestinians just get the fuck along?

[Ezzedeen01]

How funny and hypocritical of an American to ask that question!

[BigD1987]

Hypocritical? I. JUST. WANT. PEACE!!!! Don't call me a hypocrite because I'm an American, buddy. Yes, I am an American and PROUD, thanks to President-elect Obama. But, I am influenced by John Lennon and Martin Luther King Jr. You are the hypocrite for calling me a hypocrite. Do you want peace just as much as I do? How am I a hypocrite? Are stereotyping all of us? Why don't you take into consideration all of the Americans who celebrated Obama's election!

[BigD1987]

Okay so you're a girl (my bad).

Fooled? Are you kidding me? Some of them were White Sox fans, other were Cub fans! How can Jews be plotting to take over the world if they can't agree on trivial things such as Baseball?

[BigD1987]

Dude, I grew up in an area with a lot of Jews (near Skokie, IL). They're not bad one bit.

[hotspur2514]

Sazzylilsmartazz, you and Venomfangx should get a flat.

[cocodapitbull]

obama supports zionism. hes no better than bush.

[Quandary121]

You are so right cocodapitbull obama is a NWO puppet and he will do what ever the Illuminati tell him to do another lackey more dangerous then the last why becase he a hell of a lot smarter that's why

[Quandary121]

history lesson over

Q121

[hotspur2514]

Don't come back you wanker! hahaha

[Quandary121]

Oh look an intelligent answer from a tick turd next time you answer do try to stop the drooling and try to use your mouth instead of your anus when you talk

[Quandary121]

In 1904 the Fourth Zionist Congress decided to establish a national home for Jews in Argentina.

In 1906 the Zionist congress decided the Jewish homeland should be Palestine.

[Quandary121]

Theodore Herzl

Bild: Theodore Herzl

In 1896 following the appearance of anti-Semitism in Europe, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism tried to find a political solution for the problem in his book, 'The Jewish State'. He advocated the creation of a Jewish state in Argentina or Palestine.

In 1897 the first Zionist Congress was held in Switzerland, which issued the Basle programme on the colonization of Palestine and the establishment of the World Zionist Organization (WZO).

[Quandary121]

Zionism's goal was a Jewish national home and sovereign political entity in Palestine Others questioned whether a Jewish sovereign state should be Zionism's

History of Palestine - 1900-1979

In 1904 the Fourth Zionist Congress decided to establish a national home for ... non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status

[Quandary121]

what has this got to do with Zionist and the roman catholic church...??????? The Catholic Church condemned anti-Zionism as a cover for anti-Semitism

[Quandary121]

(as Tyndale saith) that the world being kept still in darkness, they might sit in the consciences of the people through vain superstition and false doctrine, to satisfy their ambition, and insatiable covetousness, and to exalt their own honor above king and emperor."

[Quandary121]

On publication of his New Testament translation, Cardinal Wolsey condemned Tyndale as a heretic. Foxe, in his Book of Martyrs, writes: "So great were then the devices of the English clergy (who should have been the guides of light unto the people), to drive the people from the knowledge of the Scripture, which neither they would translate themselves, nor yet abide it to be translated of others; to the intent

[Quandary121]

At the Red Mass They pray to

the dead inquisitor, Thomas More and give

what's called the St. Thomas More Award

at the Red Mass Brunch

[hotspur2514]

Good Lord! I thought it was the Thomas Aquinas award!

Take any chance you like to fuck off, dickhead.

[Quandary121]

1478 Feb 7, Sir Thomas More (d.1535), English humanist, statesman and writer, was born in London. He was best friend of Erasmus, and called by Erasmus: a man for all seasons. He studied law and rose to the post of lord chancellor after the fall of Cardinal Wolsey.

More would not accept Henry VIII's divorce from Catherine of Aragon nor his subsequent marriage to Anne Boleyn. The king had charges of treason filed and More was beheaded on July 6, 1535. He was canonized in 1935

[Quandary121]

I could cite many other things, proving that the Church of rome is an absolute and irreconcilable enemy of the United States; but it would be too long. These are sufficient to show the American people that Rome is a viper, which they feed and press upon their bosom. Sooner or later, that viper will bite to death and kill this republic. This was foretold by Lafayette and is now promulgated by the greatest thinkers of out time.

[Quandary121]

the Constitution of the United States is based on the principle that the people are the primary source of all civil power. But hundreds of times, the Church of Rome has proclaimed that that this principle is impious and heretical. She says that all government must rest upon the foundation of the Catholic faith; with the Pope alone as the legitimate and infallible source and interpreter of the law.

[Quandary121]

The Constitution of the United States denies the right in any body to punish any other for differing from him in religion. But the Church of Rome says that she has the right to punish with the confiscation of their goods, or the penalty of death, those who differ in faith from the Pope.

[Quandary121]

The American Constitution assures the absolute independence of the civil from the ecclesiastical or church power; but the Church of Rome declares, through all her Pontiff's and Councils, that such independence is an impiety and revolt against God.

4th. The American Constitution leaves every man free to serve God according to the dictates of his own conscience but the Church of Rome declares that no man has ever had the right, and that the Pope alone can know and say what man must believe and do

[Quandary121]

Liberty of conscience is proclaimed, by the United States, a most sacred which every citizen must uphold, even at the price of his blood. But liberty of conscience is declared by all the popes and Councils of Rome, a most godless, unholy and diabolical thing, which every good Catholic must abhor and destroy, at any cost.

[Quandary121]

The most sacred principle of the United States Constitution is the equality of every citizen before the law. But the fundamental principle of the Church of Rome, is the denial of that equality.

[Quandary121]

Read about the Matyrdom of William Tyndale

at the hand of Thomas More

He was also one of the most vicious and bloody inquisitors that ever lived and was responsible for having Bible translator William Tyndale burned at the stake alive for his work.

He had many other innocent victims burned at the stake as well and held massive Bible burning events. Now tell me, what are all our heads of government in all three branches doing attending this cursed event?

[Quandary121]

These are the people who celebrate the red mass

who are these people...?

George W Bush and Chief Justice Roberts Leave the Red Mass. Behind them you will see Laura Bush and Condoleeza Rice

fucking Illuminati

[Quandary121]

The Vatican has been practicing this sort of magic for years what is the red mass...???For they are ALL honoring this Sir Thomas Moore through the Red Mass who was beheaded for treason and had Bible translator William Tyndale and many others

[Quandary121]

Swastikas, the crooked cross, also appear across cultures and is associated with the gods, with the heavens, with the creation of the Earth, e.g., the four corners of the Earth, and the four corners of the heavens; and with sexuality, the fertility of the Earth. The swastika is a sex symbol. Four men or women lying together on their sides engaged in mutual masturbation and oral-anal sex.

[Quandary121]

The witch was thought to utilize the toads in their worship of the Devil by mangling the body of the toad. Sometimes the toad was killed and then used as a component in spells. One such ritual used the saliva of the toad mixed with sow-thistle sap which was then made into a lotion. The witch would then draw a crooked cross on her body in an attempt to render herself invisible.

[Quandary121]

The Crooked Cross is, and has always been, a satanic symbol used by pagan religions, and in the Occult realm, and in witchcraft.

[Quandary121]

must i teach you everything

Prophecy #108 ...... But look, the time has arrived of the Cross, of the Crooked Cross. For what I say is the truth. You have to watch the Crooked Cross. .....

Prophecy #1190 ..... Then the Lord said:

... Beware of the crooked cross For the crooked cross will dominate, will control what is righteous; what is of God.

[Quandary121]

Read on and learn something

Israel must make a public call and international issue stating the The Vatican must return the Temple treasures!

What would those treasure be i wonder do you know what the Vatican is who they worship The Crooked Cross no less open your eyes and your ears what does The Crooked Cross represent...?

[Quandary121]

This is the shit they write and you brainwashed twats read and believe

Is the Arab moon god greater than the God of Israel? Have the Muslim hordes yet defeated the Lion of Judah? Isnt Jerusalem Israels eternal capital Must we wait until were perfect before we can build the Third Temple? Are we less worthy than our forefathers who provoked God ten times in the Wilderness, yet were instructed to build the Tabernacle?

[Quandary121]

Look what the JEWS are doing to the Muslim temple in Israel there digging under it do you know why ...? because years and years ago when black magic was practice then outlawed they buried the books containing the forbidden knowledge the JEWS are digging for those books and manuscripts to continue there worship of BAAL do your fucking history people fuck sake open you eyes the third temple is nearly built why is there a masonic lodge in the center of the holy place

[BigD1987]

I just want both sides to shut the hell up and get the fuck along. Is that too much to ask? I blame not Israel nor the Palestinians--I blame the both of them equally for this mess.

[Quandary121]

Then your wrong m8 Palestinians are fighting because they have nothing and left but to fight

Israel fights because it is a greedy power hungry nuclear owning fascist state full of hypocrites and one of the best equipt army's in the world how can you compare like with like i tell you why because your brainwashed pal into thinking ahhh the poor Jews get real man

[BigD1987]

Both are equally to blame, moron! The both of them are to blame because, in short, they KEEP PROVOKING EACH OTHER. Zeus dammit, can't I be neutral and just want peace?

[ipponsuki]

Actually it was U.S. and Great Britain fault. it all start after World war 2.

[BigD1987]

It wasn't the Americans' or the Brits' idea. It was the UN's.

[ipponsuki]

The UN was in it infancy . American and brits started the ballrolling. please do some research.

[BigD1987]

The Americans were not involved in anyway. Until 1948, that part of the world was a BRITISH mandate. Thus the US could not be involved. The UN voted on Resolution 181 and approved both a Jewish and Arab state. The Jews accepted the plan, but Arab states rejected it. You also need to do some research,

[ipponsuki]

With that logic the UN start the current Iraq conflict.

Research:

King Abdulaziz and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Please do get confuse about being informed and indoctrination.

[BigD1987]

*facepalm*

What does that have to do with anything?

[ipponsuki]

Wow unbelievable!

[BigD1987]

I just don't understand what FDR and the former king of Saudi Arabia have to do w/ Israeli-Palestinian relations. The damn site that was the best didn't go over that because what you implied HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN CONFLICT!!!

[ipponsuki]

sorry man. this video will better explain my point. watch?v=W8y2Ged0SNw

(The house of Saud) it is by PBS .

[TECHKLEC]

You should refer to the Balfour Declaration after WW1.

[hotspur2514]

Blame both! That's the biggest throw away, cop out, bullshit statement that anyone has EVER said, about any conflict.

[BigD1987]

It makes a hell of a lot more sense if you think about it harder.

[hotspur2514]

Actually, I think it's more common that people over-think Palestine, claiming continually that people who disagree with them simply haven't done their research. They quote ethnicities broken away in 70AD and Kingdoms older than 2000 years, and then detail a list of injustices, whether real or perceived, in an effort to establish the right and the wrong of it.

That is a mistake.

[Quandary121]

More B/s by PROVOKING you mean the Palestinians are going around breaking limbs killing children

destroying homes and treating people like shit i suppose you want to take a look at some more videos before you make such pathetic comments Israelis don't want peace do you see a Palestinian Army's patrolling the street using unnecessary force to subdue a peoples Palestinian are not entirely blame less but tell me what choice do they have

BigD1987

[BigD1987]

IT'S THE FUCKING TRUTH, ASSHOLE!!!

[Quandary121]

oh look the maggot resorts to insults two can play that game fuckwit your a delusional asswipe with no real idea about the troubles in Israel your continued dismissal of the atrocity's done to the Palestinian people by Israel is pathetic get real and look at what they have been doing your probably to stupid to look for the truth so i will not grace you with any more of my time fuck off you twat

[BigD1987]

Look who's talking buddy, you're insulting ME.

[Quandary121]

IT'S THE FUCKING TRUTH, ASSHOLE!!! was not the reply to me you gave then some other fucktard must have hacked your account then twat dont bother answering there is no reasoning with you or discussion possible you like the Israelis are too up yourself's to see the god dam truth of the matter goodday and goodbye

[BigD1987]

I'm a little on edge because of racist and conspiracy pricks like you. I simply try to state that both sides are to blame in this conflict, and I get insulted for wanting peace. I'm neutral because this whole "killing for god" crap is something that I don't understand. If you don't like people who are neutral and just want peace, then FUCK YOU.

[Quandary121]

look you 21 year old advocate for peace who uses words like fuck you in their attempt to create peace you too pig headed to realize your own comments show how peaceful you really are the world is full of assholes like you with no real idea about the struggles going on in a country miles and miles from them and only there own bigoted media to inform them of what is going on so before you lecture me on what you think pal go look in the mirror and see what a total fuck up you really are

[BigD1987]

You're no different, pal. You're a racist prick who believes those damn conspiracy theories and you're what? 45? Get your head out of your ass or get some paxil.

[Quandary121]

a racist prick really towards which group would you be referring you true colours are showing fat boy

[Ariji86]

They've been afraid of Islam.

[ZionismISNEWNazism]

hammas democraticaly elected by palestinians but no recognition democracy my ass

[Jewishfan]

Palestinians will never have a peace on stolen land.

[TownofJesus]

This 'stolen land' arguement doesn't stand up for either side. At the end of the day the land will have to be shared by all creeds and cultures, just like America and Europe and Africa and Aisa...

Supremacy, expansionism, occupation and seiges are merely counter productive and serve to deepen and prolongue the conflict.

[kam3Oen]

What the fuck are you talking about, "shared". It's only white countries that are being flooded with brown people, not the other way around. Just look at your country Ireland. You're being invaded, and you're just sitting back (unless your one of the invaders). Israel on the other hand, is determined to survive as a jewish ruled country, and it has hundreds of nukes. Diplomacy won't make Israel go away.

[Quandary121]

TownofJesus bullshit pal are the Jews sharing are the Palestinians bulldozing Jewish homes i think not you want to open you fucking eyes man

shared my arse the only ones who are prolonging the conflict are the fucking Zionist JEWS

[chefrick03]

Because you will torment them?

And - who stole from who?

[2a7e2l91x]

Free Palestine

[chefrick03]

No country has the "right" to exist, and Israel has nothing we need.

Obama won't cut the cord on Israel and niether would've McCain.

Support of Israel is a pre-requisite to power in America; but why?

[mrjoefish]

is that a genuine question or a rhetorical one?

[skinnychef]

where better to discuss?

the united states is putting up walls all over the world, literally and figuratively. it's striking to see the physical wall in this context, and to know that this is happening all over the world.

the division of diverse communities which keeps ALL of us down in the current paradigm.

[chefrick03]

It's rhetorical; but if some see it as genuine, and it spurs them to look closer at the situation, then that's O.K. too.

Right?

[mrjoefish]

u r right. the more questions the better.

[doglin82]

Jewish money, and lots of it?

[mrshutter77]

The jewsih Lobby, Jews are a very powefull group in the US, and all the Jewish lobbing groups except one is in favor of Palestine wiped off the map.

[Mxyzptlk562]

The only response I have is for your last question.

And that is because there are a lot more Jews in the USA than Palestinians and they have a greater cultural and religious connection to most Americans than Palestinians. Plus the Jewish money doesn't hurt either.

I am not saying that it is just. I am just giving you a brief explanation for American support of Israel.

Opposition to and hostility towards would be suicidal for anyone elected to national office.

[hotspur2514]

The reason is, no one living in a free country wants to see another free country demolished for selfish religious reasons. Everybody knows that Palis took a hit in '48, but suck it up. This abortionate state of conflict, using completely unjustifiable methods, is only holding Palis back from retaining the land left over from the '67 war, and living a peaceful profitable life. If they knock off the attacks, shit will get better. They just have to want it.

[johntabbot]

no progress between the israelis and the palestinians eh?

[alexr0p]

A new U.S. President means a new peace circus. The clowns will play their acts according to the Empire's script while Israel swallows more and more of Palestine.

[zizoubilly]

lets hope Obama does bring CHANGE!

[mrjoefish]

that's right. i am pissed that both Obama and McCain even try to get votes on the basis that they will offer a change. there is no change whilst american politics (and there4 the world's definition of democracy) is defined as a two horse race with the same two horses that have always been.