what the fuck does it matter if someone is swearing, big fucking deal. lol just joking people swear because they don't have nothing else intelligent to say besides saying fuck you
First of all, you are terrybly boring, I'm sorry, and there is no bigger substance to your "rant" or whatever this is supposed to be. But the point is good. Yet the freedome of speech should not be obstructed by such trivial things as swear limiting.
Well I'm aware I can improve my presentation techniques, and constantly endeavour to do so. But I wonder whether when people say that it's not because they have a low boredom threshold, as everybody is brought up these days on a diet of constant entertainment, or even "infotainment". I do not aim to entertain but to make people think. Read the best ever book on this subject, Neil Postman's "Amusing ourselves to death". Unless you find it boring, that is.
ps I have absolutely not the slightest intention of proposing a limitation on swearing, just of making people think about why they swear. They are then free to change their actions or not.
That is indeed the next logical question, and I was wondering it myself. Does the meaning of a term rooted in sexism, or should I say rooted in men's insecurities and worldview, change when women use it? If so, how? Will "fuck" necessarily retain an element of otherness when women use it? Is it simply an equivalent expression of gender dysphoria seen from the other side? I'll let you know when I figure it out =)
I wonder how your friend would respond to my comments.
Well, why not ask her? She's left some comments higher up for this video which you could read first, and you can ask access her channel by clicking on her pseudonym.
Digging deeper, "fuck" is originally the expression of a man who is frustrated with his inability to protect his female partner from rape, on the one hand, and his inability to attract her undivided attention and affection, on the other. Deeper still, "fuck" expresses a man's discomfort with the terrifying uncertainty of paternity, that he can never know 100% that the child is his, and focus 100% of his resources on the child without doubts. "Fuck" expresses men's jealousy of motherhood.
I'm sure there's some truth in these points, though I'm a little puzzled since I do have at least one highly intelligent female friend ("meredumais" on YT), who derives great satisfaction from using this particular expletive. How could that be explained?
Your analysis of swearing as a frustrated response to powerlessness is on point, and very Foucault =)
But I don't think that "fuck" is only a performance of power over words, or even a rebellion against society in general. It is rooted in, and still connotes, men's power over women, men's contempt of women and their bodies, men's contempt of the fact that women often cannot avoid being raped...and a generalized sense of gender dysphoria, discomfort with gender division and its implications.
This idea carries over into other languages as well. In Polish, "kurwa" is the universal profanity...its literal meaning is "whore." I believe the French "putain" is the same?
I agree with what your point generally. "Putain" does indeed mean "whore" and is quite strong in French. I wonder though whether men's contempt is not based at a deeper level on their FEAR of women, which they try to debase for just this reason. Men's unwillingness to confront their weakness and vulnerabilty faced with women, and generally, is responsible for a lot of human misery in my opinion. Foucault is indeed an inspiration, as is Deleuze, and Spinoza and Nietzsche before them!
Check out the book "English as a second fucking language". Fucking great! ie very very great. 'fucking' here is an intensifier, like 'very', only much stronger. When we need to intensify beyond what is available in the dictionary, we swear.
Thanks for this comment! Speech is always a social phenomenon however - as language preexists its use by any particular individual - so perhaps the emotional preconditions of Tourette's are part of the development of the disease, but the words themselves must have to be taken from society.
On a related note, what are your thoughts about lovers who use 'Oh, God FUCK me!' language in bed? It seems to emanate without will, and is not related to insults or powerlessness or societal position. I believe it is part of a very erotic experience between two people- sex would seem too sanitized otherwise. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that context.
BTW, I hate Hugh Grant as intensely as you do. Bollocks!
Thanks for these comments meredumais. Swearing might be a KIND of rebellion, showing THEIR domination is not total, that I subsist as a subject whatever THEY do to me. I'm not certain what's going on in bed! Perhaps it's voluntary powerlessness - erotic because in abandoning ourselves entirely to another's power we achieve our most intense bodily experience.
, but seemed to emerge from me primally, without my conscious will. They provided a modicum of relief. (Studies have shown that people in pain or frustration experience BP dips if they swear.) Perhaps they made ME feel powerful within the context of such vulnerability. (cont'd)
As an example, I was told before giving birth the first time that 'no swearing will be tolerated!' I chose natural childbirth, which I'm sure you know is one of life's most physically painful experiences...that goes on for hOURS. 18 in my first case. The 'FUUUUUUUCK!'s didn't come out until I reached the most excruciating zone (cont'd)
So I see it as not only a concession of powerlessness, but as a rebellion against the powers that be (whether that's the church, the patriarch, ect.) Perhaps that in itself is a concession of powerlesssness in itself.
One importtant distinction I think should be made is that swearing is done within positive spirits as well, and I believe it is so entrenched in our psyches that WE often have no control over IT. (cont'd)
I agree with you on loss of power, but I dod have a few things to add (as a mid-level swearer!) All societies today, and dating waaaaaay back, have had their 'taboo' words which were 'forbidden' at familial asnd societal levels. Hence the focus on the divine, the scatological, and the sexual. It was blasphemous to take the lord's name in vain(still is, technically); toilet functions are supposed to be private in Western society, as is discussion of private sexual experiences. (cont'd)
Fuck you Phranguely! I dont agree with you! Lol j/k
Yeah I take ranting and threats as a way to tell that the person has been run down to his logical end. He/she cant make anymore constructed and seemingly logical counters so they just cut the rope with and end it with ranting bang... Happens often..
*static static static static static static*
heyheyhey0220 3 years ago
what the fuck does it matter if someone is swearing, big fucking deal. lol just joking people swear because they don't have nothing else intelligent to say besides saying fuck you
have a nice day.
andreaus8669 3 years ago
First of all, you are terrybly boring, I'm sorry, and there is no bigger substance to your "rant" or whatever this is supposed to be. But the point is good. Yet the freedome of speech should not be obstructed by such trivial things as swear limiting.
SkatinatorS 4 years ago
Well I'm aware I can improve my presentation techniques, and constantly endeavour to do so. But I wonder whether when people say that it's not because they have a low boredom threshold, as everybody is brought up these days on a diet of constant entertainment, or even "infotainment". I do not aim to entertain but to make people think. Read the best ever book on this subject, Neil Postman's "Amusing ourselves to death". Unless you find it boring, that is.
parispeter2 4 years ago
Fair enough, I'll look it up,thanks for the recommendation, and by the way, nice reply =)
SkatinatorS 4 years ago
ps I have absolutely not the slightest intention of proposing a limitation on swearing, just of making people think about why they swear. They are then free to change their actions or not.
parispeter2 4 years ago
That is indeed the next logical question, and I was wondering it myself. Does the meaning of a term rooted in sexism, or should I say rooted in men's insecurities and worldview, change when women use it? If so, how? Will "fuck" necessarily retain an element of otherness when women use it? Is it simply an equivalent expression of gender dysphoria seen from the other side? I'll let you know when I figure it out =)
I wonder how your friend would respond to my comments.
livinginlux 4 years ago
Well, why not ask her? She's left some comments higher up for this video which you could read first, and you can ask access her channel by clicking on her pseudonym.
parispeter2 4 years ago
Digging deeper, "fuck" is originally the expression of a man who is frustrated with his inability to protect his female partner from rape, on the one hand, and his inability to attract her undivided attention and affection, on the other. Deeper still, "fuck" expresses a man's discomfort with the terrifying uncertainty of paternity, that he can never know 100% that the child is his, and focus 100% of his resources on the child without doubts. "Fuck" expresses men's jealousy of motherhood.
livinginlux 4 years ago
I'm sure there's some truth in these points, though I'm a little puzzled since I do have at least one highly intelligent female friend ("meredumais" on YT), who derives great satisfaction from using this particular expletive. How could that be explained?
parispeter2 4 years ago
Your analysis of swearing as a frustrated response to powerlessness is on point, and very Foucault =)
But I don't think that "fuck" is only a performance of power over words, or even a rebellion against society in general. It is rooted in, and still connotes, men's power over women, men's contempt of women and their bodies, men's contempt of the fact that women often cannot avoid being raped...and a generalized sense of gender dysphoria, discomfort with gender division and its implications.
livinginlux 4 years ago
This idea carries over into other languages as well. In Polish, "kurwa" is the universal profanity...its literal meaning is "whore." I believe the French "putain" is the same?
livinginlux 4 years ago
I agree with what your point generally. "Putain" does indeed mean "whore" and is quite strong in French. I wonder though whether men's contempt is not based at a deeper level on their FEAR of women, which they try to debase for just this reason. Men's unwillingness to confront their weakness and vulnerabilty faced with women, and generally, is responsible for a lot of human misery in my opinion. Foucault is indeed an inspiration, as is Deleuze, and Spinoza and Nietzsche before them!
parispeter2 4 years ago
Nice accent
neobully14 4 years ago
Check out the book "English as a second fucking language". Fucking great! ie very very great. 'fucking' here is an intensifier, like 'very', only much stronger. When we need to intensify beyond what is available in the dictionary, we swear.
tayloa17 4 years ago
the static in this video are sending me hidden messages.
boylebongo 4 years ago
How the fuck should I know ?
grahampl 4 years ago
Thanks for this comment! Speech is always a social phenomenon however - as language preexists its use by any particular individual - so perhaps the emotional preconditions of Tourette's are part of the development of the disease, but the words themselves must have to be taken from society.
parispeter2 4 years ago
My apologies for all the fucking typos!
meredumais 4 years ago
On a related note, what are your thoughts about lovers who use 'Oh, God FUCK me!' language in bed? It seems to emanate without will, and is not related to insults or powerlessness or societal position. I believe it is part of a very erotic experience between two people- sex would seem too sanitized otherwise. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that context.
BTW, I hate Hugh Grant as intensely as you do. Bollocks!
meredumais 4 years ago
Thanks for these comments meredumais. Swearing might be a KIND of rebellion, showing THEIR domination is not total, that I subsist as a subject whatever THEY do to me. I'm not certain what's going on in bed! Perhaps it's voluntary powerlessness - erotic because in abandoning ourselves entirely to another's power we achieve our most intense bodily experience.
parispeter2 4 years ago
, but seemed to emerge from me primally, without my conscious will. They provided a modicum of relief. (Studies have shown that people in pain or frustration experience BP dips if they swear.) Perhaps they made ME feel powerful within the context of such vulnerability. (cont'd)
meredumais 4 years ago
As an example, I was told before giving birth the first time that 'no swearing will be tolerated!' I chose natural childbirth, which I'm sure you know is one of life's most physically painful experiences...that goes on for hOURS. 18 in my first case. The 'FUUUUUUUCK!'s didn't come out until I reached the most excruciating zone (cont'd)
meredumais 4 years ago
So I see it as not only a concession of powerlessness, but as a rebellion against the powers that be (whether that's the church, the patriarch, ect.) Perhaps that in itself is a concession of powerlesssness in itself.
One importtant distinction I think should be made is that swearing is done within positive spirits as well, and I believe it is so entrenched in our psyches that WE often have no control over IT. (cont'd)
meredumais 4 years ago
I agree with you on loss of power, but I dod have a few things to add (as a mid-level swearer!) All societies today, and dating waaaaaay back, have had their 'taboo' words which were 'forbidden' at familial asnd societal levels. Hence the focus on the divine, the scatological, and the sexual. It was blasphemous to take the lord's name in vain(still is, technically); toilet functions are supposed to be private in Western society, as is discussion of private sexual experiences. (cont'd)
meredumais 4 years ago
Maybe that's why people swear so much on the internet. Your powerless to influence people over the internet, so we just fucking swear at each other.
Phranquely 4 years ago
Fuck you Phranguely! I dont agree with you! Lol j/k
Yeah I take ranting and threats as a way to tell that the person has been run down to his logical end. He/she cant make anymore constructed and seemingly logical counters so they just cut the rope with and end it with ranting bang... Happens often..
Techrubbish 4 years ago
Interesting topic. Not something I have ever thought about before. Thanks.
bryantulsa 4 years ago