Piggyback: RE: Thunderf00t can't debate God.

[MrDingedong]

creationists are retardsXD

[AzureFlameElk]

True, but only in a figurative manner. Lucifer is as unlikely as Jehovah.

[chrisfr90]

A better argument against ID. If the universe is so complex that has a design and a designer, so the designer would have to be more complex than the design and because of the complexity of his design would need a more complex designer, etc. There would be an infinite number of sub and superior gods. ID is just a religious way to survive science, theist just don't know that its futile, rock crushes scissors, scissors beats paper, paper covers rock and sciences will always trump religion

[draconusrex33]

when science finally figures out how the multi verse came into existence they will find religion has been there waiting for them the whole time.

[chrisfr90]

How do you know religion will be there, where does argument rest. Do you actually know that it is the final answers, were is your proof, how can you be absolutely certain.

Please dont say faith because faith is only a word that makes ignorance and foolishness something noble.

[draconusrex33]

your infinite progression argument is very faulty in light of string theory.A creator would be more complex but able to be part of and outside of its creation, not an infinite progression of complexity.

This is something already explained by Judaism/Christianity.How do I know God exists you ask.

He has communicated with us in the past through the Hebrews and his son in several different ways.

[Fonzie8819]

Your argument is a double edged sword. What true ignorance is a relativly young race claiming to know science. You value science as a method of learning. This is true but what there is to learn has always exsisted. The laws of physics ect. always exsisted we just "discovered" science as a way to interpret and understand. It does not give a solid foundary as to origins yet there are so many that claim it does. Thats just as ignorant if you ask me.

[chrisfr90]

Venom fangs ass is connected to his mouth... every time he opens it shit comes out.

[mar8les]

hahahahaa, expertise of the unknowable - hahahahaha, that my friend is a paradox. You can't know anything that is unknowable, otherwise it would become knowable.

[equitypetey]

again bravo, i swear you know what i'm thinking!

[MastaMatt343]

hahaha the entire theory of evolution is based on the fact that there is no God, no creator. So how can you explain getting complexity out of chaos? Evolutionists like to jump past the point where life, the universe, and everything was created because they can't explain it. And natural selection is flawed by the fact that apes still exist. If we evolved from them because Humans were superior, how come the rest of the apes haven't evolved? or did natural selection forget about them?

[AzureFlameElk]

Evolution explains the diversity of live. Abiogenesis is a different subject. We have theories for the begining of the universe, where just not so arrogant as to claim we're certain of them.

Yeah, apes and humans coexist.

Just as Britain and America still exist. They were once both the same thing, and then they split!

Besides, human beings ARE APES currently! Look it up!

[Fonzie8819]

by whos definition?

If i wanted to i could consider apes to be human. But thats just calssification. and Classification is man made which means its susceptible to change. Humans are imperfect in so many ways. We might consider ourselvs intelgent btu considering Humans are the most intelegent beings on our earth there is nothing to challenge it. GIving us the illusion of being these all knowing beings, when simply put we do not know one ounce of the zillion ton knowdlege there is in the universe

[bajramovic92]

@MastaMatt343

Way to be scientifically illiterate.

1. If you are talking about the second law of thermodynamics (which you don't seem to understand), that only applies to isolated systems. The earth is an open system (we receive energy from the sun).

2. Just because you can't explain it now, doesn't mean goddunnit. That's called a logical fallacy. Learn about those so you don't look like a fucktard in the future.

3. You don't know anything about natural selection, so don't talk about it.

[AzureFlameElk]

@MastaMatt343

If Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?

Checkmate Atheists.

[MastaMatt343]

so how is losing your keys relevant to theories of creation? hahaha Isn't Chaos theory how the universe generally works? meaning order doesn't come from disorder, it only gets more entropic (chaos). So how does something as complex as humans come from nothing. Its not possible without a Creator. If you throw a deck of cards on the ground, they're not going to fall into order on their own: someone has to put them in order. The universe is too complex and functional for it to be random.

[AzureFlameElk]

/facepalm

For the last fucking time, evolution has nothing to do with randomness. Natural selection is not random.

Losing your keys is completely relevant to the topic that was actually being addressed.

When you lose your keys, there's no reason to junp to a complex explaination (Paris Hilton) without first considering simpilar answers.

This is the same with anything (Ocham's Razor).

[jimmyjam9014]

99% of all species dead is just a theory

[AzureFlameElk]

In the same way that gravity is a theory.

[jimmyjam9014]

it is a theory correct

[RavenBlaze]

what gets me is creationsit always use non-organic or organic objects that have been bred and cultivated by humans. Cells can be made independently, they can even make DNA in a lab, but computers have metal and plastics that do not form organicly.

[syrett76]

The same old creationist stock arguements e.g. comparing complex, man made, inanimate objects to living things that evolve. The same old mix of ingnorance and delusion

[petehjr1]

Right but these guys don't want to "Entertain" the idea of god, its either believe in god or you burn for Eternity. And Eternity is a very very long time.

[Inqoinf]

I love how over on VenomfagX's original video he screens his comments. If you look there are only like minded comments under the video. People praising him for his ignorance. Thunderfoot shouldn't have to debate him because he has throughly debunked him and all the other Creationist goons in a video series. VenomfagX thinks that asserting design is the same as having evidence. I really feel sorry for anyone that looks up to someone like VenomfagX or believes anything blindly.

[Johannes9126]

So admitting that life looks designed = admitting that life has been designed? Great fundie logic, Venom... THX Azureflameelk.

[jebus6kryst]

Great job.

[jesse0192]

...And I have to say, this world is far to beautiful to have been designed by any human being...

[snylekkie]

Why? How do you determine if it's beautiful enough? I could easily fool you by showing something really great and than saying it was designed by a human being, consequently disproving this silliness.

[jesse0192]

No you couldn't.

[jesse0192]

Goddammit, I really need to finish reading catcher in the rye!!

[Lookatmeimdriving5]

Jesus I cant believe venom used the computer has a designer argument were it has been shown to be bullshit at the very beginning it was used

[eksyte]

Universe flatulence? Who'd have thunk it???

[dfrusdn]

VenomFangX got OWNED!

[MistaJussu]

this guy PWNTTTTTTTTTTT THE SHIT OUT OF THAT VENOMFANGX SUCKER!!

[Teamrocketgg]

great video dude. Good comparison too, I always try to educate people not to use unknowns (like God) to explain unknowns (like loosing your keys).

Humans just keep doing that and over time less and less explanations require it. So in that respect why would we continue using that method if it proves to be extremely inneficient at finding the logical explantion? God is by far one of the illogical explantions that humans still feel required to use, hopefully one day that won't be the case.

[Thunderf00t]

LMAO, Paris Hilton and the Ninjas FTW!

[katey1dog]

Ninja's stole tinkerbell! Paris will now mobilize the most powerful army of pseudo-celebrity douchebags to find her chihuahua.

[FNGLHR]

Theres also the fact that since no natural occurance can create a computer and that we can actually find the person who created said computer as proof it was designed, that we don't consider it just evolved into existence.

The fact is there is no serial number on animals that we can trace back to a designer. Instead we find evidence that a natural process, evolution, created the animals we see today. You either find the designer, which you can't, or you can't prove something is designed

[AzureFlameElk]

Creationists like to use 'logic' to point out the possibility of god, and then use 'stupidity' to further their claims.

It's usually something like "I don't understand evolution, therefore it's wrong!"

[s4stem]

I think that everyone is an Atheist. Just some believe in less gods then others. I think that those of us who hold no creator should think of a different title: Non-Believers, Rational and Logic Believers, maybe some with some zing.

[AzureFlameElk]

Idk about that. There are certainly some fanatical religious people out there.

The appeal of labels is that they are socially and linguistically convenient. Lazy ass people won't want a more accurate label xD

[TheCuriousSkeptic]

Now where did I put my keys...

DAMN NINJAS!

[AzureFlameElk]

Don't blame the Ninja.

Everyone's got to pay their mortgage.

[111blacksun111]

i always thought the laughing man was probably atheist. good choice of logo

[AzureFlameElk]

I don't think anyone is reasonably an actual atheist.

Agnostic Atheist would be more accurate in my opinion.

[111blacksun111]

true, i dont even like the word atheist (even aside from its negative connotation) because it's as if it implys the in a god to not believe in the first place. *sigh* i didn't say it first but ill repeat it, "so many christians, so few lions"

[AzureFlameElk]

LOL

[111blacksun111]

its supposed to say "implys that there is a god to not believe in the first place"

[AzureFlameElk]

What is?