...Christians. They base this on the Hebrew word for "know" or "yada" which has ELEVEN different definitions. Yep, a SINGLE word is being used to condemn an entire segment of the population from a story inspiring the GREATLY mistakenly used "word" of sodomite.
Dissenting with popularly accepted interpetation(s) of scripture is not denial.
"Sodomites can join all the churches they want,..."
The word "Sodomite" is used in Deut. and 1st and 2nd Kings describing prostitution. This reflects all homosexuals as well as the prostitute who bathed Christ's feet with her tears reflects all heterosexuals. The very word comes from the story of Sodom that TOO many abuse to condemn gay... (Cont.)
Thanks! How powerful is the Lord? He allows us to kill him and He still wins. Now Jesus ever lives to make intercession for us! The lord Jesus can never die anymore! Why? He already conquered it. Jesus is our life! Praise Him! Worship Him! Adore Him!
@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH Next time have the balls to hit that reply button and then say what you have to say. Fuck you and your miserable faith, I have wasted enough time on you. The only thing vile is every irrelevant breath you take. Try some fruits, vegetables and a treadmill, hypocrite.
The fruit of my Faith is the Lord Jesus Christ as taught in Scripture! You are a reprobate and so is anyone who says Homosexuality is not Sin! To God Be the Glory!
"Those who embrace same sex are opening the door of hell wider for the sinners to enter."
I am never more prayerful for the non Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement that are HIS alone.
I'm amazed how people will deny the plain truth of Scripture to make up their own doctrine.
The fruit of homosexuality is extinction. All men are created equal but al sex acts are not!
Those who embrace same sex are opening the door of hell wider for the sinners to enter. I tell the truth because I know how much Jesus loves them. Mel White never quotes a Bible verse concerning homosexuality? Why? Mel knows God condemns the practice. Lord Jesus be Glorified!
"I'm amazed how people will deny the plain truth of Scripture to make up their own doctrine."
It's nonetheless true since many declare their view of scripture ALONE and our Lord's will MUST be one and the same to justify their own disgust and intolerance.
Mel White never quotes a Bible verse concerning homosexuality?
"Actually he has on Soulforce (dot) org, his work, "Stranger at the Gate" and in a YT series called "Homosexuality and Religion."
you speech proves to me that your soul is being tormented. Homosexuality is clearly taught as vile in the Bible. If you can;t see that you are totally dishonest. Totally! Sodomites need to be Born Again! Because I love them, I tell the truth! JESUS CHRIST SHED HIS BLOOD FOR THEM AND YOU! Homosexuality is a perversion. Wake up!
Fool! You know nothing about Christianity. There is no command in the New Testament to murder. Jesus said, Bless those who curse you! You are a sinner who cannot understand the Bible! Homosexuality is a perversion of God's natural design!
@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH Tell those "christians" in Africa that MURDER homosexuals. You preach the same bs they did before they killed. Is murdering next for you as well?
@cr87129 Homosexuality is a sin. The Bible teaches AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU. God Almighty changes you. It does not matter who excepts this guy, God Almighty will not. He has been given over to a reprobate mind.
Read Romans Chapter 1. God did not create sin, man chose it. The Bible totally disagrees with this pervert! He is wresting the scriptures to his own destruction.
"Change your ways or you will burn in hell stop leading God's people astray!!!!"
I am never more prayerful for the non Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement.
@OBkid100 Sick and perverted. THey profess that they know God but in works they deny him being abominable disobedient and to every Good work reprobate. THe Bible condemns homosexuality everywhere but God can and will forgive them if they ask.
@middy444 Since when does perverted mean strong? This guy has never been Born Again, and never read the Bible. He is not a Child of God but a child of Sin!
@Retloth Ignorant shit. A part of me hopes one of your children turns about to be gay, the other part doesn't because that child would end up committing suicide because of you.
@RedAndGoldSF49 Sick and perverted. THey profess that they know God but in works they deny him being abominable disobedient and to every Good work reprobate. THe Bible condemns homosexuality everywhere but God can and will forgive them if they ask.
The child would commit suicide because of sin. Homosexuality is to be Repented of!
@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH Fuck you, you fat bald piece of shit. "repent" of your gluttony, 1 of YOUR 7 deadly sins. Homosexuality isn't even 1 of those, but you fat ass falls into that 7.
This is a great video and a very valuable one based on common sense (something there is very little of in this world). May I also recommend a new book that is available at amazon.com titled Ztingar. Among many other subjects, it extends what has been said in this video even further regarding homosexuality and what it is really all about.
"How am I trivializing the act of rape?" Specificly I said it SEEMED like you did so because your statement: " "Cain knew his wife" in a sexual sense albeit in a violent Way." appears to make the HUGE difference between an act of love and the violence intended by the men of Sodom, wheather sexual in nature or otherwise, seem almost trivial.
"BTW Please stop bringing up this notion that the acts of attempted rape in sodom "is not indicative of all homosexuals"
... Can't make any promises. Since the passage in question has been exploited for centuries in the attempted condemnation of homosexuality as a whole, the fact needs to be emphasized that not only is the violence attempted not reflective of all homosexuals, but that it is not even certain it is sexual in nature AT ALL due to the MANY definitions of the word Hebrew word for "know." In other words, such condemnation one way or another is VERY likely false.
@clay56 How am I trivializing the act of rape? I abhor rape. What I said is the word know was used to indecate that Cain had sex with his wife. There is no context of rape that we can exegete with regards to Cain and his wife. BTW Please stop bringing up this notion that the acts of attempted rape in sodom "is not indicative of all homosexuals" I never stated nor have I ever believed such a ridiculous.
One thing I like about the Soulforce website is that it posts full letters and url's of gay Christian opponent sites in an effort to offer different viewpoints. It's a lesson in tolerance that too many who flag comments as spam to remove them from the main YT board. have sadly ignored. Fortunately the problem is easily remedied with just a couple of clicks. :)
@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH I hope you run into one of those "extreme muslims" on the day he has sharpened his blades. People like you make me sick and are truly the disease of our society. You poor, miserable excuse of a man.
@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH = The meaning to gulp down or swallow, means over-indulgence and over-consumption of food, drink, or wealth items to the point of extravagance or waste. In some Christian denominations, although not stated in the Bible, it is considered one of the seven deadly sins—a misplaced desire of food or its withholding from the needy.
@clay56 So why would lot offer his daughters if he understood the intent of these men was non-sexual and they just wanted to get to know the angels whether they were to be interrogated or otherwise. FYI the men did not say "we want to know WHO they are" referring to the two angels. It seems they wanted to know them in the same way that "Cain knew his wife" in a sexual sense albeit in a violent Way.
"It seems they wanted to know them in the same way that "Cain knew his wife" in a sexual sense albeit in a violent Way."
I don't believe you're saying Cain raped his wife. Although that too can't be absolutely certain especially since we're talking about someone who killed his own brother, But it DOES seem however like you're trivializing the act of rape more than a bit. Such an act is no more reflective of all homosexuals... (Cont.)
@clay56 Lets see if your understanding of the context of the word "know" (yada) is more plausible. Remember that since Lot lived among these people they would "at least" know who he was as well as his family. If the the men wanted to know "WHO" the two angels were then why would lot offer his two daughters? Obviously these men already knew of Lot's daughters, correct? Continued...
"I noticed you haven't given your understanding of these passages...?"
If you believe that, then you're probably skimming through my posts too quickly.
Even IF what the men of Sodom had in mind was sexual, it was obviously something violent especially since they threatened to "...deal WORSE..." with Lot for judging them (Gen. 19:9). This is NOT reflective of all homosexuals. And still again, we can't be certain it was even sexual because of "know" or yada's ELEVEN definitions.
"If the the men wanted to know "WHO" the two angels were then why would lot offer his two daughters?"
Very likely (again) he was offering his daughters as a bribe to keep his guests safe from those who showed they were willing to use VIOLENT means to know what the strangers were doing in Sodom.
"FYI the men did not say "we want to know WHO they are" referring to the two angels."
They said they wanted "to know." Intimacy is ONE definition of the term. Another is "to learn," "to find... (Cont.)
"when the men used the word "know" what "wicked" thing could they have in mind, which would give us the appropriate meaning."
Sodom was a town where everyone likely knew everyone else. They would be suspicious of strangers perhaps to the point of paranoia. The "wicked" thing the men had in mind under such circumstances might well have have been an extremely violent interrogation in order that they might (LITERALLY) come to "know" who the strangers were and why they were there.
...Out" or "to recognize." So again, it's entirely possible even probable the mob outside Lot's door wanted to know through violent means who the strangers were and what they were doing there..
"It seems they wanted to know them in the same way that "Cain knew his wife" "
In keeping with Matt. 19:26 it's a possibility, Yet because of the MANY definitions of the Hebrew word for "know" it is by NO means a certainty.
...Than the mob who raped a woman to death in Judges was of all hetero or bi-sexuals. The likelihood is that a single word is being used to condemn an entire segment of the population, a word that not only DOESN'T refer to all but might not be refer to ANY same gender activity whatsoever.
@clay56 when the men used the word "know" what "wicked" thing could they have in mind, which would give us the appropriate meaning. Remember Lot said to them "do not act wickedly" How were they attempting to act wickedly? It seems to me they were trying so in a sexual sense. I noticed you haven't given your understanding of these passages...?
It is easy to exegete the meaning of the word "know" given the context of what happened in sodom. When the men said they want to know them, (the angels) remember that lot replied "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly" He then tried to offer his daughters to them (bad move lot) Now how did lot understand these people? Why offer his daughters, for conversation? Yeah right! The context indicates the men were desiring sexual relations with the 2 angels.. How do you see it?
"It is easy to exegete the meaning of the word "know" given the context of what happened in sodom."
Is it?
Lot offered his daughters most likely as a bribe to the men to keep his guests from harm. Upon which, they became angered and threatened Lot with something worse as they tried to push past him before the angels blinded them and shut the door. So we don't know PRECISELY what the men had in mind, only that it was TOO likely something violent and not reflective of... (Cont.)
@PursuitofwisdomThe context indicates the men were desiring sexual relations with the 2 angels. Amen! Think about it, what a safe bet on Lot's part offering his daughters. The perverts were sodomites, THEY DID NOT WANT WOMEN. Lot was smart!
uv got it all wrong its not used to condemn but 2 correct and the meaning of its name has nothing 2 do with the results of their actions no one is condemned all because of Gods love and Christ.I no about that lifestyle because i was in it God helped me get out and told me y i had to stop. The word abomination is taken 2 lightly i wont go into detail iv done my part God bless.
struggling and being persecuted for Christ is so key sometimes the apostles were goin threw so much 2 did they giv up and say hey this who i am accept it no they followed Christ 2 the very end of their lives because they loved him and knew his word.Give up and end up being wrong or persevere and b rewarded. Think of Sodom and Gomorrah as an example if he destroyed those homosexuals way back then how much more will this new world b judged and he gave us so many examples
as someone said earlier people that accept that lifestyle has been given over to their own selfish desires and the bible is ment 2 b taken literal how could u believe in and accept 1 part of it and completely change or discard the other.People hav been tryn 2 make the bible fit their own desires forever corrupting its sacred laws for their own selfish desires if since Jesus carried such a heavy weight for us returning the favor or carrying ur cross/struggle is the right thing to do not 2giv up
"People hav been tryn 2 make the bible fit their own desires..."
Largely true, yet many simply don't agree as to it's proper interpetation. What is accepted by many for centuries may not neccessarily be our Lord's will. And the story of Sodom revolves around the Hebrew word for "know" or "Yada," which has ELEVEN different definitions. Yet only one is being exploited in what appears to be an effort to condemn all same gender relationships.
"Answering with sarcasm is only an attempt to dodge my question."
More likely you're dismissing the answer all too quickly. And while Im sure it's not deliberate, you also appear to trivialize the Pharisees' part in Christ brutal excecution. In any case, it's not "just because of their rejection of Christ" who criticized them on the whole as being arrogant, corrupt and hippocritical. These COULD well have skewed their understanding of marriage and very possibly ANYTHING else for that matter.
@clay56 Answering with sarcasm is only an attempt to dodge my question. Did the Pharisees understand that marriage was between male and female or were they ignorant of such a view. You can't attempt to discard their understanding of what marriage was just because of their rejection of Christ, it is a Non sequitur.
"Did the Pharisees understand that marriage was between male and female or were they ignorant of such a view."
Most likely they had their understanding of marriage as well as divorce based on Mosaic Law. Christ stated the law regarding the latter was not intended "from the beginning." Matt. 18:8-9. He did not speak to same gender marriage. But if the accepted understanding of one Law was incorrect, it leaves the rest that go unmentioned in question.
@Pursuitofwisdom@clay56 Are you implyig that the understanding of male female marriage which the Pharisees had might have been based on their subjective opinion? Or was it due to their understanding of the Torah? Remember these people studied the scriptures, they would not be ignorant on such matters as marriage being between male and female.
"Are you implyig that the understanding of male female marriage which the Pharisees had might have been based on their subjective opinionn?"
Perish the thought!
Im entirely confident that those who called the son of our Lord the devil prior to trying and having Him excecuted as a heretic could have NEVER been mistaken in their understanding of any (other) aspect our Lord's word.
"...the reason that the Pharisees ONLY asked him about male and female marriage is due to the obvious fact that they understood marriage to be between male and female."
That MAY have been their personal understanding. If that understanding was incorrect, it would simply been one more of the considerable list of mistakes made by the Pharisees, who were instrumental in having Christ crucified.
Jesus wasn't being literal? I'm confused, are you saying that in the beginning god did NOT make them both male and female? Was Jesus using a false analogy By the way, the reason that the Pharisees ONLY asked him about male and female marriage is due to the obvious fact that they understood marriage to be between male and female. "orientation" is irrelevant concerning the biblical view of marriage.
I think I can clear that up by stating that was part of a quote from another poster.
"...are you saying that in the beginning god did NOT make them both male and female?"
Nope, only (again) that devine advocacy for one orientation doesn't neccessarily mean devine prohibition of another as many gay Christian opponents would like to believe.
Who take the Bible literally... I guess he doesn't believe in a literal Hell or wrath. The dude says if you're gay accept it, Jesus says "...Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." Mark 8:34. A gift? God giving people over to uncleanness and to a reprobate mind (Romans 1) is a gift...? Jesus wasn't being literal when saying "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female..." He is a hellbound heretic.
"God giving people over to uncleanness and to a reprobate mind (Romans 1) is a gift...?"
The people Paul mentioned in the passage first abandoned our Lord to participate in a pagan orgy. If they had been UNmarried and engaged in heterosexual acts would their acts have been less "vile?" Would the record of the event have been exploited to condemn all heterosexuals, even husbands and wives? It simply reflects the tragic double standard existing between the two orientations.
"Jesus wasn't being literal when saying "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female..." "
He was answering a group of Pharisees who had asked Him ONLY about the marriage of men and women. And presuming devine advocacy for one orientation MUST mean devine prohibition for another might well be presuming too much on our Lord's behalf.
"He is a hellbound heretic."
Im never more prayerful for the non Christian, athiest or agnostic... (Cont.)
well said-I previously recommended the YT debate with Dr.Michael Brown and Harry Knox. Dr. Brown does an outstanding,unassailable job of explicating and expounding the underlying judeo/christian ethical understanding of sexuality in God's view. Every one would do themselves a great favor listening to the deep wisdom of this man.The urgency of the Apostle Paul's warning in I Cor 6 "Not to be deceived.."(talking to pple claiming to be christian) makes sense because of those who call sin "love"
All that being said, 32Spoiled, you seem to have confusion towards the meaning of the words "except" and "accept." Yet, you judge harshly certain demographics for honestly being themselves?
"All i have to say is that if we were born into sin.. And want to get out of that lifestyle."
That does no good to anyone, especially the gay person. Are we not supposed to live our lives with integrity?
"Then we in fact need a GOD to PULL US OUT OF THE SINFUL BONDAGE THAT WE ARE IN"
Not everyone would agree with you. Many Buddhists, for example. By the way, writing in all capital letters does not make a statement more true or more false.
"That ending sounds just like the devil.Telling you to except your sinful nature."
Not all Christians believe all same gender relationships are sinful.
"This man is in fact a tool of the devil."
Sounds familiar since the Christ Himself was once called the devil by the spiritual authorities of the time. It's sometimes those supposedly fighting the devil the hardest that may be most under his influence.
That ending sounds just like the devil.Telling you to except your sinful nature. All i have to say is that if we were born into sin.. And want to get out of that lifestyle. Then we in fact need a GOD to PULL US OUT OF THE SINFUL BONDAGE THAT WE ARE IN. It makes no sense for this man to rep GOD if he doesnt repent of his sinful nature and turn away.This man is in fact a tool of the devil.. to continue to blind the minds of the word and its sinful ways. I PLEED THE BLOOD OF JESUS ON UR MIND....
Let's not be too hard on certain members of the Faith. They have afterall stopped advocating slavery and the oppression of women which they had upheld as our Lord's will for MANY centuries. Perhaps in time, opposition to same gender relations may cease as well.
Question: how do you build a faith that shapes your entire life upon a story and philosophy that is found in a particular book and then not take that book literally? Isn’t it a bit foolish to do so?
I come from a family of Christians who condemn homosexuality because they believe in Leviticus God denounces it. They fail to read the next paragraph which denounces growing a certain shape of beard and gives the community a right to stone that person. If there is a God he has been let down by His followers who would rather preach hate, condemnation and judgement over others than love which is at the very root of the word. I hope these people are held accountable one day.
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
"I still do not understand how homosexuality is a gift, where is the gift here?" Many of either orientation pose this question. Many probably didn't see Christ brutal death as a gift itself when it happened. More often than not our Lord's plans are neither immediately nor widely known or understood.
:D what a GIFTTTTTTt, that u cannt Multiply urselffffffff!=gay people die out!=Anti-Nature! =Darwinism! Darwinism says= gays can not multiply themselves and go on in life=they die out! so due to Darwinism Gayness is wrong. So what GIFT?
@xOxKurdParstxOx gays adopt the children that no one wants so they can grow up to be functional, contributing members of society and have kids. Also if everybody was a priest, we wouldnt have a population. Did you think you had something clever to say?
@Johnf85 YES! Im in Reality! The Adopted Children, will NEVER Call the parents=Their real Parents and accept them! And the Parents the same! They dont really get proud of them! Since they have no blodline, nonething which can bind them with eachothers! Adopting a Child= HELPING The Child! Not Making Him/Her Ur Own! Since Reality,Science,Society.. nonething let u that! Ur speech has NO Logic! U speak from an Emotional point of view!
Hh my GODDDDDDDDD this man is beyond ALLLLLLL borders gLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLL wtf WOWWWWWW what a GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
perhaps looking at the history of Christianity would convince him of the folly of it. All of these gods are all the same...Ra, Mithra, Zues and all of them all have the same story. Gods are one thing.....putting a name like Jesus on a god man is folly
Romans 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
"The word rape comes from the hebrew translated words Taphas or Shakap which mean to take hold of to lie with meaning voluntary sexual act."
From Brown, Driver and Briggs Hebrew Lexicon:
Taphas: Lay Hold: sieze
Shakab: To lie or rest
So the act described in Deut. 22:28-29 DOES indicate force to some extent IS used. The degree of force may not have been considered important since rape was not considered the crime it is now unless it occurred with another man's wife or concubine.
"Wow , what Bible do you believe in that pick and chose what to believe."
Ironic since many pick Lev. 18:22 to legitimize their disgust and intolerance toward homosexuals while turning a other Mosaic laws like Deut. 22:28-29 requiring a virgin who's raped and impregnated to marry her attacker. It's one among many reasons for the growing dissent among Christians on the issue.
A final point, The Apostle Paul talks extensively about both truth & peace. An important position he makes is that both of these conditions are related to the major concept of sanctification. He insists that as we are sanctified and mature in God & His word we experience authentic peace. In Hebrews, he tells BELIEVERS not to have an evil & hard heart. Believers must avoid apostasy & the corruption of natural wisdom. Paul says to be steadfast in the truth and righteousness.
from I Cor 6:9 -"Don't you know that the unrighteous WILL NOT inherit (enter) the Kingdom of God? Don't deceive yourself: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, thieves, the covetous, drunkards, homosexuals, male prostitutes, extortioners, violent people (revilers) will ever inherit the Kingdom of God.. But such were some of us, but now you are cleansed & forever justified in Jesus (having believed).
Clay- do you ever examine yourself? You appear to have no hesitancy about appropriating the terms and phases of christianity; you even self- assertively claim the title christian- yet how it that the simple truths and received wisdom of the faith so easily elude you ? I take it you're aware that the Apostle Paul tells us in Romans 16 to shun those who create divisions in the fellowship - why do you do so ? Jesus tells us to beware false teachers. I Tim 1 & Jude 1 also warn us
"so we have your approval to ignore Leviticus regarding homosexuality? "I refer you to Jesus' words in Matt 19 and Mark 10 by way of examination;yourself being a free-will moral agent. the infinite choice stands before you now and today. No one is guaranteed tomorrow ( even though we may attempt to create the illusion that we are). The fact is God condemns no man. Rather, every man makes his choices and castes his die....Paul said don't be deceived. because he knew people CHOOSE HELL
@clay56 The C.D.C. (The center for disease control) 1) 85% of all male sexual transmitted aids cases are from homosexual contact. 2. Homosexual men have an H.I.V. Infection rate 60 times higher than general public. 3. 60% of all syphilis cases from homosexual & bisexual men. 4. The average life expectancy for a homosexual is 46yrs of age. It's wise & loving to oppose a man because of his destructive behavior. Others call it...intolerant!
@shieldsff It's harder for a woman to infect a man with HIV because the surface area for the virus to enter a man's bloodstream isn't very big. But, the opposite is true in terms of a man transmitting the virus to a woman. So, given your "logic" does this mean that heterosexual sex is wrong? What about sex between two women? In the case of two women, transmission is possible, but again the surface area is smaller.
@shieldsff More importantly the sexual act isn't what's important. A gay man can have hundreds of sexual partners, but there's no way that he will be infected with HIV if all of those men are HIV negative. The same is true for heterosexual people and lesbians. Since anyone can carry and pass on the virus, it really doesn't make sense to focus on sexual orientation.
"Jesus loves humanity and therefore preached and advocated the Law & Torah of God."
The first part I will grant. However, the second part I am not so sure. Jesus was kind of a rebel. He was not like other rabbis. Let's face it: Jesus was a heretic. Indeed, much of what he preached went against the Torah. Jesus had a WAY for Jews to be better Jews. While it just so happened that a religion was based on his ideas, Jesus never set out to make a new religion entirely based on his teachings.
@j4unumber1 While you can't have positive relationships with you're surroundings until you start have one with yourself accept you're gift like the rest of us... I'm 27 know... around 16,17,18, and 19 I felt just like you when I hit 20 I starting accepting myself as I was., as GOD created me to be and gave a rats ass what anybody else thought of me it was no longer my problem it was known they'er problem ... Peace and Love
clay- "The problem is that the Bible speaks of homosexuality all but entirely in terms of prostitution and pegan orgy.This raises the question as to wheather all same gender relations, not the least of which of marriage, are truly sin."
In fact, no where & particularly no where is this correct or true in the New testament.There is no such description stated or implied (even though it is possible & likely these things were certainly condemned as well) Neither I Cor 6, nor I Tim1 allege that
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." Also read 1 Timothy 1:8-11. We are commanded to REPENT of our sins, not embrace them and find excuses to justify them! You cannot be a practicing homosexual and be a Christian too.
Life would have been much easier for me were I not gay, for then I would have done everything socially proper (i.e. marrying a woman, desiring my wife sexually, and having children with her).
Yet, I have enough wisdom to understand that these, again very complex, relations stem more from cultural and religious traditions in how I was raised rather than in honoring my authentic, integral, and honest self. While, for all I know, God truly does not care one way or the other who is gay or who is not gay it just so happens that the particular society that I live in makes a big deal over this and use religion for justification in such matters relatively often.
I'm gay. I never really thought of being gay as a "gift from God." Honestly, I feel upset about being gay. I prefer not to be gay. Ummmmm...I feel...guilty for being unable to fully accept being gay, as strange as that may sound to some people. Also, I feel angry at God for bestowing upon me this gift. Due to these very complex and at first glance contradictory ummm...emotions about that, it really has hindered my ability to have positive relations with my surroundings.
"it is up to human beings to stop homosexuals from gaining any favor over man woman and child"
Why? Anytime religious people feel threatened or have prejudice and believe some sort of stereotype, regardless of justification, that is the religious person's problem that they alone should own up to and to preferably address in a positive manner. Gay people are in the world! Ok? That is just the way it is. Therefore, showing kindness to gay people is a much better use of one's time.
The charge of fraud was all too likely used against Martin Luther, the apostle Paul and most notably Christ Himself, in an effort to condemn both them and their teachings.
"it is up to human beings to stop homosexuals from gaining any favor over man woman and child."
And if Mel White is right, such attempts would be in opposition to our Lord's will.
The charge of fraud was all too likely used against Martin Luther, the apostle Paul and most notably Christ Himself, in an effort to condemn both them and their teachings. "it is up to human beings to stop homosexuals from gaining any favor over man woman and child."
And if Mel White is right, such attempts would be in opposition to our Lord's will.
Romans 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
Homosexuality is a mental illness. If men started sticking knives in their eyes, would that be a mental illness? Yes, because the eyes are for seeing, and these people would be making themselves blind.
Let's us the example of the rectum. The rectum or anus, or butt hole, is used to release the waste from the human body. Homosexuals are putting penises and other foreign objects in the anus (butt hole), and then saying they are in love with the man who they are having sex with. That is sick!
Did he refer to God as a woman at 2:31?
sdlauzon 3 days ago
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...Christians. They base this on the Hebrew word for "know" or "yada" which has ELEVEN different definitions. Yep, a SINGLE word is being used to condemn an entire segment of the population from a story inspiring the GREATLY mistakenly used "word" of sodomite.
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@clay56 Scripture is clear homosexuality is a sin, vile, perverted, and an abomination.
The work know is used in a sexual context and you know it. Study harder and ask God the Holy Spirit to help you! Context is homosexual sex.
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 19 hours ago
Mel White is a reprobate who denies Scripture! Sodomites can join all the churches they want,
but still are condemned by God until they repent and are Born again!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 4 days ago
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"Mel White is a reprobate who denies Scripture!"
Dissenting with popularly accepted interpetation(s) of scripture is not denial.
"Sodomites can join all the churches they want,..."
The word "Sodomite" is used in Deut. and 1st and 2nd Kings describing prostitution. This reflects all homosexuals as well as the prostitute who bathed Christ's feet with her tears reflects all heterosexuals. The very word comes from the story of Sodom that TOO many abuse to condemn gay... (Cont.)
clay56 4 days ago
Thanks! How powerful is the Lord? He allows us to kill him and He still wins. Now Jesus ever lives to make intercession for us! The lord Jesus can never die anymore! Why? He already conquered it. Jesus is our life! Praise Him! Worship Him! Adore Him!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 5 days ago
@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH Next time have the balls to hit that reply button and then say what you have to say. Fuck you and your miserable faith, I have wasted enough time on you. The only thing vile is every irrelevant breath you take. Try some fruits, vegetables and a treadmill, hypocrite.
RedAndGoldSF49 5 days ago
The fruit of my Faith is the Lord Jesus Christ as taught in Scripture! You are a reprobate and so is anyone who says Homosexuality is not Sin! To God Be the Glory!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH you rock, dude! keep up the good fight! :D Jesus will win in the end!
USMCdrummer06 5 days ago
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"Those who embrace same sex are opening the door of hell wider for the sinners to enter."
I am never more prayerful for the non Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement that are HIS alone.
clay56 4 days ago
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@clay56 Bull! God tells his followers to judge. Study harder please!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 19 hours ago
I'm amazed how people will deny the plain truth of Scripture to make up their own doctrine.
The fruit of homosexuality is extinction. All men are created equal but al sex acts are not!
Those who embrace same sex are opening the door of hell wider for the sinners to enter. I tell the truth because I know how much Jesus loves them. Mel White never quotes a Bible verse concerning homosexuality? Why? Mel knows God condemns the practice. Lord Jesus be Glorified!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
"I'm amazed how people will deny the plain truth of Scripture to make up their own doctrine."
It's nonetheless true since many declare their view of scripture ALONE and our Lord's will MUST be one and the same to justify their own disgust and intolerance.
Mel White never quotes a Bible verse concerning homosexuality?
"Actually he has on Soulforce (dot) org, his work, "Stranger at the Gate" and in a YT series called "Homosexuality and Religion."
clay56 4 days ago
you speech proves to me that your soul is being tormented. Homosexuality is clearly taught as vile in the Bible. If you can;t see that you are totally dishonest. Totally! Sodomites need to be Born Again! Because I love them, I tell the truth! JESUS CHRIST SHED HIS BLOOD FOR THEM AND YOU! Homosexuality is a perversion. Wake up!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH Renounce your hate. Renounce your ignorance. Follow Christ.
Homosexuality is not a perversion. But the tormenting of innocents is. Christ said "by their fruits you will know [my followers]".
Your words have revealed the fruit of your faith and it is *rotten* to the core. They're anti-Christ. Learn to love.
OBkid100 6 days ago
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@OBkid100 Love is not promoting sin! Sodomy is sin so stop promoting it!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 19 hours ago
The Bible is clear, mocking God is Blasphemy. You mock God. Atheists like Richard Dawkins
don;t disprove God's existence, they simply deny it. Jesus proves God's existence by Resurrecting Bodily form the dead. Praise you Lord Jesus!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
Fool! You know nothing about Christianity. There is no command in the New Testament to murder. Jesus said, Bless those who curse you! You are a sinner who cannot understand the Bible! Homosexuality is a perversion of God's natural design!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
Only God's word as taught in the Bible in context can feed the soul. YOUr soul is dead so open the bible and eat up!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
Hopefully I will tell him about Jesus and The Muslim will become Born Again! Praise the Lord!
Murder is not from God!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH Tell those "christians" in Africa that MURDER homosexuals. You preach the same bs they did before they killed. Is murdering next for you as well?
RedAndGoldSF49 6 days ago
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@RedAndGoldSF49 Christians obey God and he says not to murder. They are not christians. Wake up!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 19 hours ago
@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH Stop stuffing your face and give some of that food to the needy, christian.
RedAndGoldSF49 6 days ago
OK. So we got another queer claiming that he's a Christian. So what. By definition he is not, next video.
cr87129 6 days ago
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"OK. So we got another queer claiming that he's a Christian."
Oh, more than that definately.
"By definition he is not,..."
Who's definition?
clay56 6 days ago
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@clay56 You are one confused rascal. God makes saints, sin makes sodomites!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 19 hours ago
@cr87129 Homosexuality is a sin. The Bible teaches AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU. God Almighty changes you. It does not matter who excepts this guy, God Almighty will not. He has been given over to a reprobate mind.
Read Romans Chapter 1. God did not create sin, man chose it. The Bible totally disagrees with this pervert! He is wresting the scriptures to his own destruction.
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
Change your ways or you will burn in hell stop leading God's people astray!!!!
MrJamrockstar 1 week ago
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"Change your ways or you will burn in hell stop leading God's people astray!!!!"
I am never more prayerful for the non Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement.
clay56 6 days ago
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TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 19 hours ago
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@clay56 Start praying according to God's will and not your own!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 19 hours ago
Beautiful =)
OBkid100 1 week ago
@OBkid100 Sick and perverted. THey profess that they know God but in works they deny him being abominable disobedient and to every Good work reprobate. THe Bible condemns homosexuality everywhere but God can and will forgive them if they ask.
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
Well spoken Father Callahan
webusecom 2 weeks ago
Yes, bless his heart. Bless him for being so strong.
middy444 2 weeks ago 2
@middy444 Since when does perverted mean strong? This guy has never been Born Again, and never read the Bible. He is not a Child of God but a child of Sin!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
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@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH Homosexuality is clearly condemned in Scripture! Wake up!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 19 hours ago
Keep this man away from my kids!
Retloth 2 weeks ago
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"Keep this man away from my kids!"
Sounds like Mel White in the above vid is being mistaken for Ted Haggard.
clay56 2 weeks ago
@Retloth Ignorant shit. A part of me hopes one of your children turns about to be gay, the other part doesn't because that child would end up committing suicide because of you.
RedAndGoldSF49 2 weeks ago
@RedAndGoldSF49 Sick and perverted. THey profess that they know God but in works they deny him being abominable disobedient and to every Good work reprobate. THe Bible condemns homosexuality everywhere but God can and will forgive them if they ask.
The child would commit suicide because of sin. Homosexuality is to be Repented of!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH Fuck you, you fat bald piece of shit. "repent" of your gluttony, 1 of YOUR 7 deadly sins. Homosexuality isn't even 1 of those, but you fat ass falls into that 7.
RedAndGoldSF49 6 days ago
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@RedAndGoldSF49 The devil came to kill steal and destroy! You are a child of wickedness! Wake up!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 19 hours ago
@Retloth God loves you. That's all I have to say
OBkid100 1 week ago
@Retloth AMEN!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
Heck ya!
funnychili123 3 weeks ago
You talk a lot of sense!
Thank you for making this video!
elisgriff 3 weeks ago
Jesus
mitchdman001 3 weeks ago
This is a great video and a very valuable one based on common sense (something there is very little of in this world). May I also recommend a new book that is available at amazon.com titled Ztingar. Among many other subjects, it extends what has been said in this video even further regarding homosexuality and what it is really all about.
LIFESKEY 3 weeks ago
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@LIFESKEY Homosexuality is a reprobate practice!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 19 hours ago
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"How am I trivializing the act of rape?" Specificly I said it SEEMED like you did so because your statement: " "Cain knew his wife" in a sexual sense albeit in a violent Way." appears to make the HUGE difference between an act of love and the violence intended by the men of Sodom, wheather sexual in nature or otherwise, seem almost trivial.
"BTW Please stop bringing up this notion that the acts of attempted rape in sodom "is not indicative of all homosexuals"
Im afraid that I... (Cont.)
clay56 4 weeks ago
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... Can't make any promises. Since the passage in question has been exploited for centuries in the attempted condemnation of homosexuality as a whole, the fact needs to be emphasized that not only is the violence attempted not reflective of all homosexuals, but that it is not even certain it is sexual in nature AT ALL due to the MANY definitions of the word Hebrew word for "know." In other words, such condemnation one way or another is VERY likely false.
clay56 4 weeks ago
@clay56 How am I trivializing the act of rape? I abhor rape. What I said is the word know was used to indecate that Cain had sex with his wife. There is no context of rape that we can exegete with regards to Cain and his wife. BTW Please stop bringing up this notion that the acts of attempted rape in sodom "is not indicative of all homosexuals" I never stated nor have I ever believed such a ridiculous.
Pursuitofwisdom 4 weeks ago
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clay56 4 weeks ago
One thing I like about the Soulforce website is that it posts full letters and url's of gay Christian opponent sites in an effort to offer different viewpoints. It's a lesson in tolerance that too many who flag comments as spam to remove them from the main YT board. have sadly ignored. Fortunately the problem is easily remedied with just a couple of clicks. :)
clay56 1 month ago
So God is a "she"? Where did you find that Our Heavenly Father is a she?
USMCdrummer06 1 month ago
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Yeah...heard that too. Had to listen to it a couple of times. I guess his message is based on the Babylonian goddess worship of Semiramis.
smbelow 3 weeks ago
@smbelow :) you're speaking truth, sir! :D
USMCdrummer06 3 weeks ago
@USMCdrummer06 Not Biblical truth! Homosexuality is a sin and always will Be.
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH I hope you run into one of those "extreme muslims" on the day he has sharpened his blades. People like you make me sick and are truly the disease of our society. You poor, miserable excuse of a man.
RedAndGoldSF49 6 days ago
@TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH = The meaning to gulp down or swallow, means over-indulgence and over-consumption of food, drink, or wealth items to the point of extravagance or waste. In some Christian denominations, although not stated in the Bible, it is considered one of the seven deadly sins—a misplaced desire of food or its withholding from the needy.
RedAndGoldSF49 6 days ago
@smbelow This man has been given over to a reprobate mind!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 6 days ago
@clay56 So why would lot offer his daughters if he understood the intent of these men was non-sexual and they just wanted to get to know the angels whether they were to be interrogated or otherwise. FYI the men did not say "we want to know WHO they are" referring to the two angels. It seems they wanted to know them in the same way that "Cain knew his wife" in a sexual sense albeit in a violent Way.
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clay56 1 month ago
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I just thought this statement needed revisiting:
"It seems they wanted to know them in the same way that "Cain knew his wife" in a sexual sense albeit in a violent Way."
I don't believe you're saying Cain raped his wife. Although that too can't be absolutely certain especially since we're talking about someone who killed his own brother, But it DOES seem however like you're trivializing the act of rape more than a bit. Such an act is no more reflective of all homosexuals... (Cont.)
clay56 1 month ago
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@clay56 stop confusing and twisting scripture> Homosexuality is alway sin. Always!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 19 hours ago
@clay56 Lets see if your understanding of the context of the word "know" (yada) is more plausible. Remember that since Lot lived among these people they would "at least" know who he was as well as his family. If the the men wanted to know "WHO" the two angels were then why would lot offer his two daughters? Obviously these men already knew of Lot's daughters, correct? Continued...
Pursuitofwisdom 1 month ago
"I noticed you haven't given your understanding of these passages...?"
If you believe that, then you're probably skimming through my posts too quickly.
Even IF what the men of Sodom had in mind was sexual, it was obviously something violent especially since they threatened to "...deal WORSE..." with Lot for judging them (Gen. 19:9). This is NOT reflective of all homosexuals. And still again, we can't be certain it was even sexual because of "know" or yada's ELEVEN definitions.
clay56 1 month ago
"If the the men wanted to know "WHO" the two angels were then why would lot offer his two daughters?"
Very likely (again) he was offering his daughters as a bribe to keep his guests safe from those who showed they were willing to use VIOLENT means to know what the strangers were doing in Sodom.
"FYI the men did not say "we want to know WHO they are" referring to the two angels."
They said they wanted "to know." Intimacy is ONE definition of the term. Another is "to learn," "to find... (Cont.)
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"when the men used the word "know" what "wicked" thing could they have in mind, which would give us the appropriate meaning."
Sodom was a town where everyone likely knew everyone else. They would be suspicious of strangers perhaps to the point of paranoia. The "wicked" thing the men had in mind under such circumstances might well have have been an extremely violent interrogation in order that they might (LITERALLY) come to "know" who the strangers were and why they were there.
clay56 1 month ago
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...Out" or "to recognize." So again, it's entirely possible even probable the mob outside Lot's door wanted to know through violent means who the strangers were and what they were doing there..
"It seems they wanted to know them in the same way that "Cain knew his wife" "
In keeping with Matt. 19:26 it's a possibility, Yet because of the MANY definitions of the Hebrew word for "know" it is by NO means a certainty.
clay56 1 month ago
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...Than the mob who raped a woman to death in Judges was of all hetero or bi-sexuals. The likelihood is that a single word is being used to condemn an entire segment of the population, a word that not only DOESN'T refer to all but might not be refer to ANY same gender activity whatsoever.
clay56 1 month ago
@clay56 when the men used the word "know" what "wicked" thing could they have in mind, which would give us the appropriate meaning. Remember Lot said to them "do not act wickedly" How were they attempting to act wickedly? It seems to me they were trying so in a sexual sense. I noticed you haven't given your understanding of these passages...?
Pursuitofwisdom 1 month ago
Did he say God sure does-"She" made you the way you are-
belcar5537 1 month ago
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...Of all people regardless of orientation.
clay56 1 month ago
It is easy to exegete the meaning of the word "know" given the context of what happened in sodom. When the men said they want to know them, (the angels) remember that lot replied "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly" He then tried to offer his daughters to them (bad move lot) Now how did lot understand these people? Why offer his daughters, for conversation? Yeah right! The context indicates the men were desiring sexual relations with the 2 angels.. How do you see it?
Pursuitofwisdom 1 month ago
"It is easy to exegete the meaning of the word "know" given the context of what happened in sodom."
Is it?
Lot offered his daughters most likely as a bribe to the men to keep his guests from harm. Upon which, they became angered and threatened Lot with something worse as they tried to push past him before the angels blinded them and shut the door. So we don't know PRECISELY what the men had in mind, only that it was TOO likely something violent and not reflective of... (Cont.)
clay56 1 month ago
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@PursuitofwisdomThe context indicates the men were desiring sexual relations with the 2 angels. Amen! Think about it, what a safe bet on Lot's part offering his daughters. The perverts were sodomites, THEY DID NOT WANT WOMEN. Lot was smart!
TPOTTHEPOETOFTRUTH 19 hours ago
uv got it all wrong its not used to condemn but 2 correct and the meaning of its name has nothing 2 do with the results of their actions no one is condemned all because of Gods love and Christ.I no about that lifestyle because i was in it God helped me get out and told me y i had to stop. The word abomination is taken 2 lightly i wont go into detail iv done my part God bless.
yohinus16 1 month ago
"uv got it all wrong its not used to condemn but 2 correct ..."
One word
ELEVEN definitions
And if the wrong definition was selected?
It's very difficult (to say the least) to "correct" someone if and when those engaged in the effort are in the wrong.
clay56 1 month ago
struggling and being persecuted for Christ is so key sometimes the apostles were goin threw so much 2 did they giv up and say hey this who i am accept it no they followed Christ 2 the very end of their lives because they loved him and knew his word.Give up and end up being wrong or persevere and b rewarded. Think of Sodom and Gomorrah as an example if he destroyed those homosexuals way back then how much more will this new world b judged and he gave us so many examples
yohinus16 1 month ago
as someone said earlier people that accept that lifestyle has been given over to their own selfish desires and the bible is ment 2 b taken literal how could u believe in and accept 1 part of it and completely change or discard the other.People hav been tryn 2 make the bible fit their own desires forever corrupting its sacred laws for their own selfish desires if since Jesus carried such a heavy weight for us returning the favor or carrying ur cross/struggle is the right thing to do not 2giv up
yohinus16 1 month ago
"People hav been tryn 2 make the bible fit their own desires..."
Largely true, yet many simply don't agree as to it's proper interpetation. What is accepted by many for centuries may not neccessarily be our Lord's will. And the story of Sodom revolves around the Hebrew word for "know" or "Yada," which has ELEVEN different definitions. Yet only one is being exploited in what appears to be an effort to condemn all same gender relationships.
clay56 1 month ago
"Answering with sarcasm is only an attempt to dodge my question."
More likely you're dismissing the answer all too quickly. And while Im sure it's not deliberate, you also appear to trivialize the Pharisees' part in Christ brutal excecution. In any case, it's not "just because of their rejection of Christ" who criticized them on the whole as being arrogant, corrupt and hippocritical. These COULD well have skewed their understanding of marriage and very possibly ANYTHING else for that matter.
clay56 1 month ago
@clay56 Answering with sarcasm is only an attempt to dodge my question. Did the Pharisees understand that marriage was between male and female or were they ignorant of such a view. You can't attempt to discard their understanding of what marriage was just because of their rejection of Christ, it is a Non sequitur.
Pursuitofwisdom 1 month ago
"Did the Pharisees understand that marriage was between male and female or were they ignorant of such a view."
Most likely they had their understanding of marriage as well as divorce based on Mosaic Law. Christ stated the law regarding the latter was not intended "from the beginning." Matt. 18:8-9. He did not speak to same gender marriage. But if the accepted understanding of one Law was incorrect, it leaves the rest that go unmentioned in question.
More on the Pharisees below.
clay56 1 month ago
@Pursuitofwisdom @clay56 Are you implyig that the understanding of male female marriage which the Pharisees had might have been based on their subjective opinion? Or was it due to their understanding of the Torah? Remember these people studied the scriptures, they would not be ignorant on such matters as marriage being between male and female.
Pursuitofwisdom 1 month ago
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"Are you implyig that the understanding of male female marriage which the Pharisees had might have been based on their subjective opinionn?"
Perish the thought!
Im entirely confident that those who called the son of our Lord the devil prior to trying and having Him excecuted as a heretic could have NEVER been mistaken in their understanding of any (other) aspect our Lord's word.
clay56 1 month ago
" "orientation" is irrelevant concerning the biblical view of marriage."
This "biblical view" is how (too) many label their OWN personal view of the Bible.
clay56 1 month ago
"...the reason that the Pharisees ONLY asked him about male and female marriage is due to the obvious fact that they understood marriage to be between male and female."
That MAY have been their personal understanding. If that understanding was incorrect, it would simply been one more of the considerable list of mistakes made by the Pharisees, who were instrumental in having Christ crucified.
clay56 1 month ago
Jesus wasn't being literal? I'm confused, are you saying that in the beginning god did NOT make them both male and female? Was Jesus using a false analogy By the way, the reason that the Pharisees ONLY asked him about male and female marriage is due to the obvious fact that they understood marriage to be between male and female. "orientation" is irrelevant concerning the biblical view of marriage.
Pursuitofwisdom 1 month ago
"Jesus wasn't being liteeral?I 'm confused,..."
I think I can clear that up by stating that was part of a quote from another poster.
"...are you saying that in the beginning god did NOT make them both male and female?"
Nope, only (again) that devine advocacy for one orientation doesn't neccessarily mean devine prohibition of another as many gay Christian opponents would like to believe.
clay56 1 month ago
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...Than I am for the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement.
clay56 1 month ago
Who take the Bible literally... I guess he doesn't believe in a literal Hell or wrath. The dude says if you're gay accept it, Jesus says "...Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." Mark 8:34. A gift? God giving people over to uncleanness and to a reprobate mind (Romans 1) is a gift...? Jesus wasn't being literal when saying "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female..." He is a hellbound heretic.
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clay56 1 month ago
"God giving people over to uncleanness and to a reprobate mind (Romans 1) is a gift...?"
The people Paul mentioned in the passage first abandoned our Lord to participate in a pagan orgy. If they had been UNmarried and engaged in heterosexual acts would their acts have been less "vile?" Would the record of the event have been exploited to condemn all heterosexuals, even husbands and wives? It simply reflects the tragic double standard existing between the two orientations.
clay56 1 month ago
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"Jesus wasn't being literal when saying "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female..." "
He was answering a group of Pharisees who had asked Him ONLY about the marriage of men and women. And presuming devine advocacy for one orientation MUST mean devine prohibition for another might well be presuming too much on our Lord's behalf.
"He is a hellbound heretic."
Im never more prayerful for the non Christian, athiest or agnostic... (Cont.)
clay56 1 month ago
"Christians are awesome."
Much of the time, yes.
"They make up the rules as they go along!"
Perhaps true for some. With others change happens through a continuing relationship with our Lord leading to a deeper understanding of His will.
clay56 1 month ago
Christians are awesome. They make up the rules as they go along!
japanascope 1 month ago
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well said-I previously recommended the YT debate with Dr.Michael Brown and Harry Knox. Dr. Brown does an outstanding,unassailable job of explicating and expounding the underlying judeo/christian ethical understanding of sexuality in God's view. Every one would do themselves a great favor listening to the deep wisdom of this man.The urgency of the Apostle Paul's warning in I Cor 6 "Not to be deceived.."(talking to pple claiming to be christian) makes sense because of those who call sin "love"
shieldsff 1 month ago
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MARCH 2010 UPDATE: "GAY" GENE FOUND!
Here's a video you should watch here on you tube:
The 'Gay Brain' Explained - Louann Brizendine
Also just google:
GAY BRAIN
And you're going to see all the recent discovery that gay man's brain is like a females and lesbians brains are like males.
Scientifictly proven, that is NOT A CHOICE NOR A SIN, you are who you are since the night your parents... well... you know... and here we are!
NuLaifMusic 2 months ago
All that being said, 32Spoiled, you seem to have confusion towards the meaning of the words "except" and "accept." Yet, you judge harshly certain demographics for honestly being themselves?
j4unumber1 2 months ago
"It makes no sense for this man to rep GOD if he doesnt repent of his sinful nature and turn away."
Do you represent God? Are you a Theology expert? If so, please share your credentials.
"This man is in fact a tool of the devil."
Be careful. You may be bearing false witness here.
j4unumber1 2 months ago
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@j4unumber1
MARCH 2010 UPDATE: "GAY" GENE FOUND!
Here's a video you should watch here on you tube:
The 'Gay Brain' Explained - Louann Brizendine
Also just google:
GAY BRAIN
And you're going to see all the recent discovery that gay man's brain is like a females and lesbians brains are like males.
Scientifictly proven, that is NOT A CHOICE NOR A SIN, you are who you are since the night your parents... well... you know... and here we are!
NuLaifMusic 2 months ago
"All i have to say is that if we were born into sin.. And want to get out of that lifestyle."
That does no good to anyone, especially the gay person. Are we not supposed to live our lives with integrity?
"Then we in fact need a GOD to PULL US OUT OF THE SINFUL BONDAGE THAT WE ARE IN"
Not everyone would agree with you. Many Buddhists, for example. By the way, writing in all capital letters does not make a statement more true or more false.
j4unumber1 2 months ago
"That ending sounds just like the devil.Telling you to except your sinful nature."
Not all Christians believe all same gender relationships are sinful.
"This man is in fact a tool of the devil."
Sounds familiar since the Christ Himself was once called the devil by the spiritual authorities of the time. It's sometimes those supposedly fighting the devil the hardest that may be most under his influence.
clay56 2 months ago
That ending sounds just like the devil.Telling you to except your sinful nature. All i have to say is that if we were born into sin.. And want to get out of that lifestyle. Then we in fact need a GOD to PULL US OUT OF THE SINFUL BONDAGE THAT WE ARE IN. It makes no sense for this man to rep GOD if he doesnt repent of his sinful nature and turn away.This man is in fact a tool of the devil.. to continue to blind the minds of the word and its sinful ways. I PLEED THE BLOOD OF JESUS ON UR MIND....
32Spoiled 2 months ago
This man needs prayer.... As we all do...
32Spoiled 2 months ago
"How perverted."
Let's not be too hard on certain members of the Faith. They have afterall stopped advocating slavery and the oppression of women which they had upheld as our Lord's will for MANY centuries. Perhaps in time, opposition to same gender relations may cease as well.
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clay56 3 months ago
How perverted.
leatherneck2044 3 months ago
Question: how do you build a faith that shapes your entire life upon a story and philosophy that is found in a particular book and then not take that book literally? Isn’t it a bit foolish to do so?
nicodemous52 3 months ago
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"Be not deceived, homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God." --- 1 Cor. 6:9
mrchiefofsinners 3 months ago
"God would not give a gift of sinning to anyone."
Not all Christians believe all types of same gender relationships are sinful.
clay56 3 months ago
she?
OoOosteven 3 months ago
Not a gift from God! God would not give a gift of sinning to anyone. It's like Ted Bundy saying his murderous tendencies were a gift from God!
cyderpress 3 months ago
I come from a family of Christians who condemn homosexuality because they believe in Leviticus God denounces it. They fail to read the next paragraph which denounces growing a certain shape of beard and gives the community a right to stone that person. If there is a God he has been let down by His followers who would rather preach hate, condemnation and judgement over others than love which is at the very root of the word. I hope these people are held accountable one day.
shaunanisto 3 months ago
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Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
I still do not understand how homosexuality is a gift, where is the gift here?
SuperSamuel972 3 months ago
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clay56 3 months ago
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"I still do not understand how homosexuality is a gift, where is the gift here?" Many of either orientation pose this question. Many probably didn't see Christ brutal death as a gift itself when it happened. More often than not our Lord's plans are neither immediately nor widely known or understood.
clay56 3 months ago
Sodomy is not the answer.
thermionic1234567 4 months ago
:D what a GIFTTTTTTt, that u cannt Multiply urselffffffff!=gay people die out!=Anti-Nature! =Darwinism! Darwinism says= gays can not multiply themselves and go on in life=they die out! so due to Darwinism Gayness is wrong. So what GIFT?
xOxKurdParstxOx 4 months ago
@xOxKurdParstxOx gays adopt the children that no one wants so they can grow up to be functional, contributing members of society and have kids. Also if everybody was a priest, we wouldnt have a population. Did you think you had something clever to say?
Johnf85 4 months ago
@Johnf85 YES! Im in Reality! The Adopted Children, will NEVER Call the parents=Their real Parents and accept them! And the Parents the same! They dont really get proud of them! Since they have no blodline, nonething which can bind them with eachothers! Adopting a Child= HELPING The Child! Not Making Him/Her Ur Own! Since Reality,Science,Society.. nonething let u that! Ur speech has NO Logic! U speak from an Emotional point of view!
xOxKurdParstxOx 4 months ago
Hh my GODDDDDDDDD this man is beyond ALLLLLLL borders gLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLL wtf WOWWWWWW what a GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
xOxKurdParstxOx 4 months ago
blasphemy
razorpayne13 4 months ago
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
vmemak 4 months ago
he is a fa fa fa fa phoney
albiok33 4 months ago
lol
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xoxoshawtybaddxoxo 4 months ago
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"this man is a Liar run for your life..."
Similar comments were all too likely made about Christ, the apostle Paul, Martin Luther...etc.
clay56 4 months ago
@xoxoshawtybaddxoxo Do you know him personally? Somehow I doubt it, which would make you the liar.
babybelle32a 4 months ago
i like how he siad "she". . .
XHaroldXI 4 months ago
perhaps looking at the history of Christianity would convince him of the folly of it. All of these gods are all the same...Ra, Mithra, Zues and all of them all have the same story. Gods are one thing.....putting a name like Jesus on a god man is folly
hangthebastard 4 months ago
Obviously you are not a expert in biblical hermeneutics, shieldsff.
j4unumber1 4 months ago
Romans 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
shieldsff 4 months ago
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clay56 4 months ago
"The word rape comes from the hebrew translated words Taphas or Shakap which mean to take hold of to lie with meaning voluntary sexual act."
From Brown, Driver and Briggs Hebrew Lexicon:
Taphas: Lay Hold: sieze
Shakab: To lie or rest
So the act described in Deut. 22:28-29 DOES indicate force to some extent IS used. The degree of force may not have been considered important since rape was not considered the crime it is now unless it occurred with another man's wife or concubine.
clay56 4 months ago
"Wow , what Bible do you believe in that pick and chose what to believe."
Ironic since many pick Lev. 18:22 to legitimize their disgust and intolerance toward homosexuals while turning a other Mosaic laws like Deut. 22:28-29 requiring a virgin who's raped and impregnated to marry her attacker. It's one among many reasons for the growing dissent among Christians on the issue.
clay56 4 months ago
A final point, The Apostle Paul talks extensively about both truth & peace. An important position he makes is that both of these conditions are related to the major concept of sanctification. He insists that as we are sanctified and mature in God & His word we experience authentic peace. In Hebrews, he tells BELIEVERS not to have an evil & hard heart. Believers must avoid apostasy & the corruption of natural wisdom. Paul says to be steadfast in the truth and righteousness.
shieldsff 4 months ago
from I Cor 6:9 -"Don't you know that the unrighteous WILL NOT inherit (enter) the Kingdom of God? Don't deceive yourself: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, thieves, the covetous, drunkards, homosexuals, male prostitutes, extortioners, violent people (revilers) will ever inherit the Kingdom of God.. But such were some of us, but now you are cleansed & forever justified in Jesus (having believed).
shieldsff 4 months ago
Clay- do you ever examine yourself? You appear to have no hesitancy about appropriating the terms and phases of christianity; you even self- assertively claim the title christian- yet how it that the simple truths and received wisdom of the faith so easily elude you ? I take it you're aware that the Apostle Paul tells us in Romans 16 to shun those who create divisions in the fellowship - why do you do so ? Jesus tells us to beware false teachers. I Tim 1 & Jude 1 also warn us
shieldsff 4 months ago
"so we have your approval to ignore Leviticus regarding homosexuality? "I refer you to Jesus' words in Matt 19 and Mark 10 by way of examination;yourself being a free-will moral agent. the infinite choice stands before you now and today. No one is guaranteed tomorrow ( even though we may attempt to create the illusion that we are). The fact is God condemns no man. Rather, every man makes his choices and castes his die....Paul said don't be deceived. because he knew people CHOOSE HELL
shieldsff 4 months ago
@clay56 The C.D.C. (The center for disease control) 1) 85% of all male sexual transmitted aids cases are from homosexual contact. 2. Homosexual men have an H.I.V. Infection rate 60 times higher than general public. 3. 60% of all syphilis cases from homosexual & bisexual men. 4. The average life expectancy for a homosexual is 46yrs of age. It's wise & loving to oppose a man because of his destructive behavior. Others call it...intolerant!
shieldsff 4 months ago
Hey Shields,
Your posts also appear on the "Oprah" page and have been answered there.
clay56 4 months ago
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shieldsff 4 months ago
@shieldsff It's harder for a woman to infect a man with HIV because the surface area for the virus to enter a man's bloodstream isn't very big. But, the opposite is true in terms of a man transmitting the virus to a woman. So, given your "logic" does this mean that heterosexual sex is wrong? What about sex between two women? In the case of two women, transmission is possible, but again the surface area is smaller.
babybelle32a 4 months ago
@shieldsff More importantly the sexual act isn't what's important. A gay man can have hundreds of sexual partners, but there's no way that he will be infected with HIV if all of those men are HIV negative. The same is true for heterosexual people and lesbians. Since anyone can carry and pass on the virus, it really doesn't make sense to focus on sexual orientation.
babybelle32a 4 months ago
"Jesus loves humanity and therefore preached and advocated the Law & Torah of God."
The first part I will grant. However, the second part I am not so sure. Jesus was kind of a rebel. He was not like other rabbis. Let's face it: Jesus was a heretic. Indeed, much of what he preached went against the Torah. Jesus had a WAY for Jews to be better Jews. While it just so happened that a religion was based on his ideas, Jesus never set out to make a new religion entirely based on his teachings.
j4unumber1 4 months ago
@j4unumber1 While you can't have positive relationships with you're surroundings until you start have one with yourself accept you're gift like the rest of us... I'm 27 know... around 16,17,18, and 19 I felt just like you when I hit 20 I starting accepting myself as I was., as GOD created me to be and gave a rats ass what anybody else thought of me it was no longer my problem it was known they'er problem ... Peace and Love
Tommy4503 5 months ago
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SanaMomo77 5 months ago
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clay- "The problem is that the Bible speaks of homosexuality all but entirely in terms of prostitution and pegan orgy.This raises the question as to wheather all same gender relations, not the least of which of marriage, are truly sin."
In fact, no where & particularly no where is this correct or true in the New testament.There is no such description stated or implied (even though it is possible & likely these things were certainly condemned as well) Neither I Cor 6, nor I Tim1 allege that
shieldsff 5 months ago
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." Also read 1 Timothy 1:8-11. We are commanded to REPENT of our sins, not embrace them and find excuses to justify them! You cannot be a practicing homosexual and be a Christian too.
iknowthetruth777 5 months ago
Life would have been much easier for me were I not gay, for then I would have done everything socially proper (i.e. marrying a woman, desiring my wife sexually, and having children with her).
j4unumber1 5 months ago
Yet, I have enough wisdom to understand that these, again very complex, relations stem more from cultural and religious traditions in how I was raised rather than in honoring my authentic, integral, and honest self. While, for all I know, God truly does not care one way or the other who is gay or who is not gay it just so happens that the particular society that I live in makes a big deal over this and use religion for justification in such matters relatively often.
j4unumber1 5 months ago
I'm gay. I never really thought of being gay as a "gift from God." Honestly, I feel upset about being gay. I prefer not to be gay. Ummmmm...I feel...guilty for being unable to fully accept being gay, as strange as that may sound to some people. Also, I feel angry at God for bestowing upon me this gift. Due to these very complex and at first glance contradictory ummm...emotions about that, it really has hindered my ability to have positive relations with my surroundings.
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Tommy4503 5 months ago
"it is up to human beings to stop homosexuals from gaining any favor over man woman and child"
Why? Anytime religious people feel threatened or have prejudice and believe some sort of stereotype, regardless of justification, that is the religious person's problem that they alone should own up to and to preferably address in a positive manner. Gay people are in the world! Ok? That is just the way it is. Therefore, showing kindness to gay people is a much better use of one's time.
j4unumber1 5 months ago
What a beautiful being.
xantisocialxlightx 5 months ago
he is not a priest he is a homosexual pretending to be religious
it is up to human beings to stop homosexuals from gaining any favor over man woman and child
mectarius 5 months ago
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"he is not a priest..."
The charge of fraud was all too likely used against Martin Luther, the apostle Paul and most notably Christ Himself, in an effort to condemn both them and their teachings.
"it is up to human beings to stop homosexuals from gaining any favor over man woman and child."
And if Mel White is right, such attempts would be in opposition to our Lord's will.
clay56 5 months ago
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clay56 5 months ago
"he is not a priest..."
The charge of fraud was all too likely used against Martin Luther, the apostle Paul and most notably Christ Himself, in an effort to condemn both them and their teachings. "it is up to human beings to stop homosexuals from gaining any favor over man woman and child."
And if Mel White is right, such attempts would be in opposition to our Lord's will.
clay56 5 months ago
@misspanam, if the anus is utilized for wastes only, and otherwise is wrong, explain men partaking in anal sex with women
cutteranon 5 months ago
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Romans 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
TheCatholicbeliever 5 months ago
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Homosexuality is a mental illness. If men started sticking knives in their eyes, would that be a mental illness? Yes, because the eyes are for seeing, and these people would be making themselves blind.
Let's us the example of the rectum. The rectum or anus, or butt hole, is used to release the waste from the human body. Homosexuals are putting penises and other foreign objects in the anus (butt hole), and then saying they are in love with the man who they are having sex with. That is sick!
MsPamAnn 5 months ago