Vegetable Juice, Do we need Fiber?, Episode #234

[evenstar1957]

you guys are funny and good people to hang with...hahahahaha

[ckpeltomaa]

Angela is becoming a real show-stealer, show-stopper.

[blockreader43]

Angela is hot..

[ceranko]

Matt your hair is crazy! Love it man!

[supersags]

apparently making your pancreas over work itself and put it under stress is a great idea...

[schraut5]

"oh my god, give me some of the chocolate milk!"

[melzio69]

theres so many nurients you lose when you take out the fiber.

so the big question is juicing or blending?

how 'bout neither.

eating your fruits and veggies whole (mature&ripe) FTW!!!

but hey i still do like both juicing and blending.

picking between those 2 is like picking bet. xbox360 VS ps3 or vitamix VS blentec

they both win.

[kld9q8]

You never really posed the question of "do we need fiber?" and, thus, you never answered it. What is wrong with having a few fiber bits in fresh juice? Obviously there isn't that much as a majority of it is liquid.

Why?

[candlecane]

@kld9q8 Did you watch the whole video? I thought they answered the question fine.

[Grymyrk]

Removing fibre from any food is moronic.

[arsdag81]

@Grymyrk try drinking a head of romaine without straining the fiber and see what happens...

[Grymyrk]

@arsdag81 Hmmmm I'm guessing constipation or wind? If not please correct me. 

[arsdag81]

@Grymyrk it went right through me.

[mctradewind]

hey,

doesn't the lettuce makes you sleepy and sedated?

when i eat a head of iceberg lettuce i feel exhausted .

and i am not the only one who experiences this

[Rhiannon188]

Norwalk juicer is awesome, I am surprised you do not have the Norwalk since you are a fan of his work.

[TheMelvynator]

I'm sitting drinking this juice right now - it's soooo good! and it actually does taste a little bit like chocolate milk! This is the first juice I've ever made - my juicer got delivered to my door not even an hour ago and I was so excited I ripped open the box and started juicing :)

[muzicluva000]

wow thank you!

[petarcubrilo]

Aloe Vera Gel drinks full of fibre !!! ...flplux(dot)com

[scalothis]

Angela you are getting more and more radiantly beautiful...

[Forsure3333]

I would like to ask if the young lady has French background. The way she pronounces some vowells sounds so much like French, not the one spoken in Europe, but in Quebec (Canada). The "u" of lettuce at 0:49 is a great example. Thanks.

[yeild101]

but you know thats an australian accent right?

[billybobthorton68]

we have started juicing everyday and the fruit flies have taken over the house . does anybody have any secrets to catch these guys and keep them away?

[Skoglys]

hihi very nice show ! You both look so beautiful and happy<3<3<3

[shoozey]

LOL its hardly chocolate or milk. I will have to try this one.

[blessingsinfinity]

love it and Matt looked like one of those babies trying something he didn't like .....said my ten year old who is now singing your theme tune he is really getting into your videos and raw food yeah !!!!!!! Gabriel go on !!!!!!!

[BruceAchterberg]

When I heard David Wolfe say that he'd choose green smoothies over green juice, I immediately thought that it's probably because of what he can add to the smoothie.

I.e. My guess is that he probably uses the words "elixer" and "smoothie" interchangably, and adds in lots of super healthful stuff like Daniel Vitalis does with his nut milk elixers.

I think both green juices and green smoothies/elixers are important, though. They serve different functions. David was asked to choose one, though.

[simplegrl86]

I think Juicing is important. I also think green smothies are important has well. It's all about balence. We don't need science or facts. We just need common sense. We need both green drinks in our diet.

[annalaube]

You guys are awesome. Just found you through the Monday Night Gratitude series. Looking forward to trying some chocolate milk juice.

[jenpaxton]

whose coffee mate is that?

[Mandy86lynn]

I just got my lexen mk3 manual juicer for juicing wheatgrass, my niece & I juiced some green granny smith apples, it tasted nice, I got like a natural high from it. Just straight absorbable pyhtonutrients, vitamins, minerals & enzymes!!! I can't wait to juice some spinach! I want to do a juice feasting but I think I will need an electric juicer first, I didnt realise it would take so long with the manuals juicers, its a very slow process lol but I think is very good at perserving the nutrients.

[Josephine1393]

I take therapuetic enzymes and have wondered if I can take them w/ juice instead of water. I hope you do a show on them soon! Thanks for the recipes.

[myraUSA]

I juice and I drink green smoothies, you can do both:)

[arainbowfealing]

scooby dooby do ! :) ~ yee ha !

[thetreehugginghippie]

"And we've got: Mmhm ah hmm. And Mhmm ah hmm hm. Mmhm phhow." LOL

[rawinhawaii]

I'M BACK!!!

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fantastic juice recipe! My kids LOVED it, and they wanted to say  to you both a BIG THANK YOU and send you both a great BIG HUG!!!!!

Thanks again,

LOVE and HUGS,

Cynthia

[rawinhawaii]

Aloha,

Thanks for another yummy recipe!! I can't wait ti try it.. off to the kitchen I go.......

Love you guys!!!!!!

[blueberryandcacao]

:) that was funny at the end..... i love, 'if i see someone drinking coffee without a bagel i don't ask em where do you get your fiber from..."

:-)

[ponhand]

i've made the same thing with some celery and it really tastes milky. milky because of the lettuce and sweet as choclete because of the carrots. The celery was just for my sodium, for the work up on the roof.

[Nakutao]

why not just pick up some good grass fed raw or non homogenized milk and add some raw cacao or something and make the real deal?? or buy some chocolate hemp milk? you guys act like animal products are the devil and yet you can be even healthier if you eat some clean animal products.. heck even God himself had animal foods to eat...and thats our creator! :-)

[JackNeedles]

Some raw animal products can be very healthy. The human body needs a certain amount of raw saturated fat in order to produce certain hormones from certain glands.

[ebutuoy88]

What if the person gets raw saturated fat from coconuts?

[JackNeedles]

Saturated fat from coconut meat is very important too, but that would just get you medium-chain saturated fat. You also need long chain saturated fat in your diet too. I get both from coconut meat/cream, raw, organic, grass fed beef and raw, organic eggs. I know, the so-called raw vegans who hear this usually are having heart attacks by now, but I can usually own them in a biochemistry debate about nutrition within minutes too.

[ebutuoy88]

So vegans get heart attacks from lack of long chain saturated fatty acids? When you eat eggs raw, are you eating the whole egg?

[JackNeedles]

In the long run, vegans can get many different health problems because their diet is A. usually too low in fat & B. too low or void of raw saturated fat. Raw eggs, for example, are very healthy because you're not only getting raw saturated fat, but you're also getting Vitamin A ( only animal foods have true Vitamin A), Vitamin B6 &12, & Vitamin D, which is actually more like a hormone than a Vitamin. It also has raw cholesterol, which our bodies NEED. ONLY oxidized cholesterol is bad.

[JackNeedles]

And yes, you can eat the whole egg raw as well as just the egg yolk. However, the egg yolk is the healthiest part because it contains the protein, raw saturated fat, omega 3's, Vitamin A, D, and B12. If you cannot handle the whole egg or the whites, just separate the whites from the yolk and drink the yolk rocky style. You won't taste a thing, although raw, organic egg yolk actually tastes good to me.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

We don't need to hear your Dr. Mercola rhetoric on here buddy.

The body makes enough cholesterol, PERIOD. All this high cholesterol, high saturated fat nonsense is a big problem today. It's misinformation and has absolutely no scientific backing. Look at all the large, well accepted studies (Framingham, nurses study, the Chine study), they ALL point towards a diet that is devoid of all animal products as the best for health. If you look around the world there is not a single long lived...

[JackNeedles]

You body makes cholesterol because of saturated fat. You need to study biochemistry 101, buddy. Once again, your body does not have receptors for unoxidized cholesterol/saturated fat. Your so-called science can't match up to the truth.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

the body makes it's own cholesterol, we don't require any more from outside sources. Even if you absolutely believed you did you could STILL get all 12 types of saturated fat from plants. Nuts, seeds, palm oils (tropical oils like coconut), algae (arachidonic acids), durian and chocolate are just a few plant sources of a wide variety of saturated fat.

"My so called science" is what actually scientists and nutrition researchers report, not the widely discredited Weston Price Foundation.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

... culture that eat these FAD high saturated fat diet. What's the FADDEST of them all? The Atkins diet. Dr. Atkins was overweight, had heart disease and was a prime candidate for a stroke according to his autopsy reports afterwards.

B12 is from soil based microorganisms. Everyone on the planet should take a soil based B12 supplement because no one has a digestive tract capable of culturing this bacteria anymore. Raw animal foods may contain some but cooked animal foods do not as it is...

[JackNeedles]

Soil based Vitamin B12 supplements do not work. Those are Vitamin B12 analogs that can actually block the absorbtion of Vitamin B12, but they're NOT vitamin B12. The Atkins diet is unhealthy because it is high in OXIDIZED, toxic saturated fats that scare your arteries, not raw saturated fats.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

Yes they do work. They are made from real B12 made by bacteria and are not analogues. Research done by the Hippocrates Health Institute has shown that this is completely absorbable through spectra cell analysis (the most sophisticated bloodwork) which shows the nutrient actually in the blood cell and not just floating around in the blood.

At least you can realize the perils of Atkins. People taking too many plant fats (raw or not) will eventually raise cholesterol to unhealthy levels too.

[JackNeedles]

I have researched it. They ARE VitaminB12 analogues. Have you studied the biochemical structre of it? No, youhaven't. It is MUCH different than animal form vitamin B12. No, fats do not raise cholestorl. oxidized fats and oxidized cholesterol and mostly refined SUGAR raised cholesterol. Also, the whole cholesterol scam was created by the drug companies. high cholesterol doesn't cause heart disease. The lipid hypothesis needs to be re-evaluated. It's deeply flawed.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

Hey everyone HE researched so he MUST be right.

They aren't B12 analogues according to people who have much more accreditation than you. People are reversing their deficiencies with these products and they're food based whole food vitamins. If someone chooses to do that instead of eating eggs, I think that's fantastic. If you choose to eat raw eggs for it then that's great as well.

I have seen on my own and the blood tests of others how fat raises cholesterol. There are many other factors too.

[JackNeedles]

Once again, only oxidized fat raises cholesterol. Your body doesn't have receptors for it in it's nin-oxidized form.

Please, show me the biochemical strucure and please show me the detailed difference, proving your theory, not what some guy said.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

I fully realize that cooked eggs (or cooked animal products of any type) are going to have a worse impact on cholesterol levels then the raw versions. What appears to me is that people generally make excuses to justify continuing eating animal products and that's fine. Technically you can find a good argument to back up most things you believe in.

I prefer to look at the big picture and perhaps I may be able to completely break things down for someone at some point if I study biochemistry...

[SecretsOfLongevity]

... but as we now know, the cultures around the world that eat the least amount of animal products (and fats of all types) live the longest. Of course there are EFA's that we need and I am by no means saying we shouldn't have 0 fat, but we don't need to mega dose on them (even avocados and olives etc).

I've personally seen my cholesterol drop from lowering my intake of plant based fats.

[JackNeedles]

Once again, the only cultures that live the longest that don't eat animal meat is because they avoid cooked animal meat. High, oxidized, cholesterol is caused by eating oxidized cholesterol and not consuming enough anti-oxidants so that free radicals won't oxidize cholesterol in your body.

[JackNeedles]

I am not just making 'excuses' to justify animal food because I am not against it, nor do I believe it is bad for you, when done in the right manner. I can make a good argument because I am arguing the technicals of, for example, cholesterol synthesis. So you can't even say that I can't back up what I am saying when you don't even understand science on the same level as I do. If you do, then please explain to me how raw cholesterol is toxic & contributes to heart disease.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

Clearly our "understanding of science" is not about being on different "levels", but rather different points of view. No need for us to try and one-up each other.

From everything I have read, cholesterol is pretty controversial topic. Yes those cultures were consuming cooked meats, but until there is one eating raw animal products we won't know for sure (I respect that argument because few of these cultures eat raw food and general yet I still believe raw food to be superior to cooked).

[SecretsOfLongevity]

When cholesterol (and if it's not oxidized it won't be as harmful) is absorbed by the body it is going to raise cholesterol in the body. How long this takes to actually show up in the blood work is another issue as cholesterol can accumulate in tissues all over the body and not raise blood cholesterol. A certain amount is needed for biological processes but too much eventually spills over into the blood.

Raw eggs contain lecithin which helps neutralize some of this which is great.

[JackNeedles]

The point I am trying to make is that cholesterol, in it's raw form, is needed by the body for hormone production. Oxidized cholesterol breaks down into highly toxic molecules like 7keto-cholesterol, 7beta-cholesterol, 5beta, 6beta-epoxycholesterol & 5alpha, 6alpha-epoxycholesterol. Raw cholesterol doesn't. These Unnatural oxy-cholesterols impair cell-membrane via prostaglandin synthesis, which leads to arteriosclerosis.

[JackNeedles]

On the other hand, with raw cholesterol, your body will produce less because it's getting it through the diet, so there can't be any negative spill-over effect either, especially since no receptors for raw cholesterol exist. With oxidized cholesterol, however, it becomes 'sticky' and builds up in arteriosclerotic plaque, and it can't be transformed into bile acids at all. If someone want to be a vegan, than thats fine, but people need to look at the whole "cholesterol is bad for you" myth.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

Well it's not a myth yet. I hear where you are coming from and it makes sense if it is true that the body slows down on it's own production if you're getting it in a raw form. However, I'm not a leading expert in the field so I always look to them. I'm sure in time this will come to a forefront in the whole debate.

If the body makes it's own cholesterol from whatever source (plant or animal), I hope raw vegans recognize this.

Cool, thanks for all your input and helping me understand this more.

[ACEBAKER911]

we dont need to CHOOSE between green smoothies or Juices. i use BOTH, its just common sense and how i like it anyway

Juice is too thin yet a smoothie is way too thick so ill mix em 50% , half is a smoothie and ill strain the rest in the nutmylk bag and add as a Juice

that way im getting  BOTH benefits

[SecretsOfLongevity]

Like sugar, of course. Without getting into knitty gritty, this does this and that fat does that, if you step back and look at the average lifespan of various cultures, it is extremely evident that the ones that eat the fewest animal products live the longest (barring India with their state of health).

I think the main reason I decided to comment here in the first place is that you just started rambling on attacking this diet and telling people to eat eggs. Just make a video about it instead.

[JackNeedles]

Thats because they eat the least amount of cooked animal products. I bring scince, so if you don't lie to argue the "knitty gritty, than too bad.

[BruceAchterberg]

Hehe, the conventional paradigms have so many flawed premises.

I think the contrast is helpful, though, because it helps us to define what we want. This is a more spiritual perspective, but yeah, I think there's benefit to the evolution of things, and from going to one extreme to another before we reach a state of sustainability and harmony (I won't say "balance," since balance isn't always helpful. Deliberate, harmonious imbalance often is).

As for nutrition yeah, there are many(!) factors.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

...destroyed by heat. Vitamin A, D etc... are you kidding?!?! There are plenty of plant sources for those. First of all vit, D comes from the SUN. If you have problems getting that you can eat sunflower sprouts and lemon grass.

Saturated fat causes heart disease, end of story, look at REAL SCIENCE. Call up Brian Clement or any other big name in nutrition who actually publishes studies and they'll tell you the TRUTH.

Dr. Mercola is correct on exercise etc but he's way off on nutrition.

[JackNeedles]

When did I say Vitamin A was destroyed by heat? Vitamin D does come from the sun, but your body needs both Vitamin D & A in order to use both nutrients properly & there are no plant sources of Vitamin D (can't get it during winter) & Vitamin A, or retinol, is ONLY found in animal fats/organs. Beta-carotene, which is in plants, has to be CONVERTED to Vitamin A; it is not Vitamin A. This conversion is not very efficient either, since it takes 6 units of carotene to make one unit of vitamin A.

[JackNeedles]

In other words, Beta-carotene is the metabolic precursor of vitamin A. Furthermore, satruated fats do NOT cause heart disease. All the studies that show this used junk food that did not take into account the trans fat grams - many of these studies were done before they found out about the dangers of trans fat - and these studies were done on ozidized saturated fat, NOT raw saturated fat. And you speak of science? I understand science. After all, I am a biochemist by education.

[JackNeedles]

Oxidized satruated fat and cholesterol is unhealthy, but not in it's raw form. That's a fact because your body does NOT contain any cholesterol receptors for oxidized cholesterol. Also, you have the toxins created from oxidized saturated fat, such as AGEs. Then there is the whole Vitamin B12 issue. You still can't win a debate about Vitamin B12. No plant foods contain Vitamin B12. A raw vegan diet without any raw animal foods will set you up for major health problems.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

USDA research has shown 40% of the population at large is deficient in B12 (and this is the carcass eating population). Up to 70% had the beggining stages of deficiency. At the Tree of Life centre as well as Hippocrates, EVERYone get's put on a B12 supplement because our bodies are losing the ability to make it's own in our gut (the way it's supposed to be made). They have found that those consuming animal products (not raw) are even more deficient than vegans.

[JackNeedles]

You're 100% right. And do you know why they are deficient in B12? Because 1. they eat cooked meat and 2. they eat startches which destroy the immune system - ie vitamin B12 absorbtion. All you're proving is that people on SAD diets have health problems, etc. If you eat a raw food diet with some raw animal products, your body will still be able to absorb vitamin B12 because your enzymes levels (enzymes are needed to digest vitamins) won't collapse with age, as they do on cooked food diets.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

Sure, raw eggs give you B12, never said they didn't. But the chickens ate their food off the ground which gave them B12, so we might as well get ours from the B12 in the soil etc too since our bodies have atrophied and can no longer hold a colony of B12 producing bacteria.

[JackNeedles]

Not true at all. Most people claim that chickens/hens need vegetarian diets, etc., but that's wrong. Chickens in the wild also eat worms and bugs, thats how they get omega 3's. They don't just eat dirt and thats how they get vitamin B12.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

I don't care what your education is, until there is main stream acceptance of this "theory" which doesn't add up in the real world of health, people (myself included) are not going to be willing to risk their health when the vastly overwhelming majority of the scientific and medical community know that diets with animal products in them are always worse for your health.

[JackNeedles]

Wow, that sounds very smart. Mainstream acceptance only happens through education. You make no sense whatsoever. The same medical community that say vaccines are safe amd that you should eat a diet based on the Gov. food pyramid chart? Please, don't make me laugh. All those studies were done un cooked, toxic, animal food, not raw animal food. You have no evidence to bring to the table whatsoever.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

Neither do you. If you want to convince people, go ahead, share the information properly and back yourself up. But don't just quote Doc. Mercola and the Weston Price Foundation because there are enough copy cats of them.

[JackNeedles]

I am backing myself up. I am not quoting Mercola. If you are concerned about the facts, attack what I am saying, don't attack the messenger. I am going into detail about every single thing, as far as science goes. I'm not saying to go check some guy out, etc.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

Wheatgrass, sunflower sprouts, lemon grass, flower pollen and algae are just a few examples of plant sources of vitamin D. Sure beats rancid fish liver oil.

There is a massive abundance of carotenoids in plants (specially if you have superfoods in your diet) so there's no problem with the "inefficient" conversion. You'd have to really work at becoming vitmain A deficient on a whole food, raw food diet. Retinol IS found in flower pollen... That's the 1 plant source I am aware of at the moment.

[JackNeedles]

Also, your body NEEDS fat present in order to convert the Beta-carotene into vitamin A. Furthermore, those with sevre liver/gallbladder problems CANNOT properly convert Beta-carotene into vitamin A. Not true. Flower pollen contains vegetable ProVitamin A, NOT Retinol.

[artyj135]

Where can I find the David Wolfe interview, is it online yet?

[sydshell]

Juicing provides too much run time sugar at once...Vegetables blended is the whole thing blended...predigested and more filling...All I need in a day is blended greens and a salad, and I'm good in the hood....

[sydshell]

Whats wrong with fiber?

[SunChild214]

Nothing is wrong with fibre.

You just get a different effect when you take it out. Sometimes, not all the time.

[nepalihercules]

@sydshell it fills you up and you can't get enough juice in your body. fibre just comes out as poop anyway.

[HelloKittyKneeSocks]

Is it healthy to eat so little on a daily basis? I looked at your blogs and it was scary how little substance there was. I tried to go off two liquid meals of green juice and the green coconut juice and I ended up running to the bathroom all day long.

Matt needs some jojoba oil for his hair :p

[loudstone]

What do they use CoffeeMate in (lower right, 6:26)? I thought they're just total raw foodies...

[bluezfire]

i had the exact same question. and i had to look twice to be sure that i actually saw it. could it be that they are actually human?

i love watching Raw Food World. i am embarking on my own journey and have successfully maintained 80% RAW for going on 3 weeks. so please don't mistake this comment for slander or disrespect. it's just an obvious observation. i can't believe more people haven't asked the same question.

[gar949]

They are at Matt's mothers house. She must use CoffeeMate.

[erusodotcom]

How the hell does that taste like chocolate milk? I have to try making that sometime.

[alecschwarz]

Playing with different produce combinations in blenders and juices Ive been blown any by how every once in a while they taste like something completely different.

[todayisthedaytolive]

he chose the smoothie because its more holistic, although juicing is more antiaging in certain ways, it doesn't stimulate the intestinal muscles, and the less fiber you eat the more atrophied your intestinal muscles become. Fiber is like exercise fro your stomach.

I agree with david. although juice is better for certain things, but if I could only have one, smoothies are more practical the majority of the time.

[jameslikebond]

Are the nut milk bags re-usable?? If so what will you wash them with? dish detergent?? Plain water??

[snailhands]

totally reusable and i just hand wash mine in the sink with just water and a little bit of soap.

[jameslikebond]

Thank you for your reply!! :)

[NewKreature517]

What kind of camera are you guys using..?? Is this the Flip Camera??