Problems with so called incandescent lamp replacements

[SuperBamaslim]

CFL's run much cooler than incandescents. What are you talking about? I know this because CFL's can be placed very close to plants (when using these to grow vegetables) whereas the incandescents cannot. The incandescent light bulb will burn the leaves off. have you ever grabbed a 100w incandescent? It will burn your skin very badly. What about a 26w (100w equiv.) CFL, they wont harm you.

[randacnam7321]

@SuperBamaslim Most CFLs get up to at least 165°F around the electrodes in normal operation, which is pretty bloody hot for electronics. I have a 34W Philips SLS lamp that gets up to 255°F by the electrodes (the electrodes run hotter than the rest of the lamp due to cathode fall losses. In comparison, a 40W GLS lamp gets up to only 219°F at the hottest point on the envelope. You are thinking of the minimal IR fluorescent lamps give off.

[noreaga12326]

For those who say that incandescents are causing "climate change", go seek mental help.  Light bulbs have ZERO affect on climate. All u moron hippies and comies need to stop being a bunch of busy bodies and worry about YOUR energy usage. I absolutely refuse to compromise using gloomy shitty CFLs just because u mental case greenies are paranoid that the earth will fry from using regular bulbs.

[noreaga12326]

CFLs don't last any longer than an incandescent bulb. They also take a long time to warm up and if they're energy efficient, that's because they're about as bright as a match. I find it incredible how these Eco friendly nut jobs think that promoting toxic bulbs will save the polar bears. If CFLs and LEDs were that great , then it should be up to the consumer whether or not they wana use them. It's MY HOUSE and MY RULES. Government is way too deep in ppls shorts

[gavincurtis]

We have the Costco LED 75 watt flood lamps with the CREE LEDs. $40 each. They are much brighter than the incandescent, phosphor color is similar to halogen. The heat sink is only warm to the touch after 3-4 hours use. So far no problems.

Any opinions?

[randacnam7321]

@gavincurtis Such lamps are in the minority. Most LED retrofit lamps run VERY hot unless run in cold ambient conditions.

[suzukir123]

@poiiihy okay, I've had my magnetic

ballasted preheat desklamp for over 7

years. Up to this day it's still in heavy

usage, and I'm perfectly fine. Cell phones

produce ten times more radiation.

[poiiihy]

I got that led bulb that you said you got for $18 I got for $10 at home depot. I also got 2 candle shaped philips leds for $10 each.

[migette1]

Hi enjoted this video, a lot of sense given here, the LEDs do get warm the little mini spots as used on a fishtank, one unglued the pc board and came away from rest of lamp showed resistors and diode (rectifier) bit of araldite glued it back now good as gold

[legitimatemind]

blah blah blah. Just an energy wasting incandescent lover.  The age of incandescents is over. Deal with it.

[randacnam7321]

@legitimatemind The incandescent age is far from over, even though the watermelon ecopinko commies are trying to kill it. The things that are supposed to replace them are nowhere near as good, and in many places they cannot be replaced by anything. Also, their heat is not wasted.

[legitimatemind]

@randacnam7321 lol you fail. Blow me.

[randacnam7321]

@legitimatemind tl;dr: Gorebull wormening is bunk and a scam. CFLs are either hideously expensive or hideously dangerous. LED lamps are either very dim or run too hot for anything other than outdoor winter use. Incandescent heat is not wasted. Without CO2 we would all be dead. Environmentalism killed over 55,000,000 Africans because of their war on DDT. Incandescent lamps are the only universal light source, and will remain so.

!tl;dr: NO U.

[poiiihy]

@randacnam7321 cfls aren't really expensive. I got n:vision brand cfls on sale for $1.88 per pack (pack contains 4 bulbs) at home depot (the sale is over). At 99 ranch market, cfls are 20 cents each.

[randacnam7321]

@poiiihy Quality ones are. Quality costs. If these things are sold for a very low price they will be of very low quality. Hence the plague of helicrap incendiary devices flooding the market. Expect to pay at least $10 per quality compact fluorescent lamp.

[poiiihy]

@randacnam7321 the 20 cent ones aren't the greatest quality, but the n:vision brand cfls (what is now ecosmart brand) are good quality. They were just on sale. Now these cfls cost like about more than $5 per pack.

[poiiihy]

@randacnam7321 Global warming is a serious thing. If we don't slow it down, it will get up to 130℉. Living things who aren't inside in mid-day will die in the intense heat. It's like being in an oven.

[randacnam7321]

@poiiihy Explain climategate then. The whole bloody thing is a colossal scam, and the idiots pushing it are doing an immense amount of damage to the world in general. They are destabilizing electricity grids all over the world by mandating unreliable niche technologies. They are driving energy costs through the roof at the same time as their fellow traveler Keynesians are wrecking economies all over the world. Many people are having to choose between food and light due to this.

[randacnam7321]

@randacnam7321 And take the whole Durban COP17 nonsense. Their stated atmospheric CO2 concentration target (210ppm) would lead to the extinction of life on earth because that is not enough CO2 for plants to live. Environmentalism is evil and dangerous, and the sooner the movement is crushed the better. Far too many have been killed by it already.

[TheChipmunk2008]

@randacnam7321 While I am an "ecopinko commie" that you don't like, as an electrician, I have to agree with your summing up of incandescent replacements. They're not up to the job yet, and keep burning out more frequently than the incandescents

[poiiihy]

@TheChipmunk2008 LEDs dont. A cfl will last longer if used for intervals of more than 15 minutes. Turning it on and off frequently may reduce life up to 85%.

[TheChipmunk2008]

@poiiihy that's technically true, it IS a lot better than it used to be with the first generation LED and electronic CFL ballasts, but many of the cheaper end of the LED market (which still don't strike the public as cheap, sadly Joe and Josephine public see just the up front cost) tend to massively overdrive the LEDs with poor heatsinking. The higher quality ones are much better, I have seen them used commercially and now recommend them. Early CFL electronic ballasts sucked, now ok :-)

[poiiihy]

@randacnam7321 yes it is, unless it is an oven.

[suzukir123]

Very smart explanation. There were some

things you said in here that I didn't even

know about those electronic compact

fluorescent lamps. Yeah the magnetic

compact fluorescent cfls are heavy,

but definitely a lot more dependable/

less dangerous.

[randacnam7321]

@suzukir123 Older electronic ballast CFLs are fairly reliable. Granted, this is when these things were over 20 bucks each, and the currency was worth more than double what it is now. Quality costs, which is something that the idiots who say that these are too expensive will never understand. Complicated things cost more, and the cost reductions of same are what gave us the combustible unreliable hideously designed helicrap dreck infesting the market in the name of a debunked scam.

[poiiihy]

@randacnam7321 older cfls made more flickering than today's cfls. flickering can hurt your eyes and give you a headache.

[randacnam7321]

@poiiihy  I have early 1990s electronic ballast CFLs and they do not flicker at all. Likewise with magnetic compact fluorescent lamps. I actually see more cases of flickering in modern crap electronic ballasts and helicrap CFLs, and I am abnormally photosensitive.

[poiiihy]

@suzukir123 magnetic ballast makes harmful radiation. do not put a magnetic ballast next to your brain.

[suzukir123]

@poiiihy, now I'm pretty sure you know you're

wrong on the subject... but think about it for

a second. Why would someone put a ballast

of any kind to their brain? Common sense

dude.

[poiiihy]

@suzukir123 If you are reading a book with your head next to a magnetic ballasted desk lamp.

[randacnam7321]

@poiiihy Neither type creates harmful radiation. The danger from electric fields is strictly due to RF heating. This can only come from concentrated electric fields like those around transmission antennas. Even here the field risk is mostly at upper VHF/UHF/microwave frequencies as these have wavelengths that are at human (or parts therein) scale. QRM from electronic ballasts is usually under 10Mcy/sec and the field of a magnetic ballast is either 120cy/sec or 100cy/sec.

[ncrdisabled]

All the hype and some stated are trying to be smart and keep the good old bulbs I can buy the old bulbs at a very cheap price . I can see it now a huge black market for good old bulbs. I wander how there going to stop them from being sold on ebay?