SA@TAC - The War in Afghanistan is Crazy

[miazagora]

A 19 y/o was killed in Afghanistan this week - had his face blown off. I got this information from an eyewitness. If anyone is pro-war, then please tell this young man's parents WHY he died. Otherwise, vote for Ron Paul in 2012.

[MrRiceowlex]

Architects, Engineers, Chemists, Physicists have done the forensics NYPD and NIST denied existed and have proven the WTC IN NYC was DEMOLISHED ON 9/11. Go to ae911truth(dot)org Get the truth the mainstream won't touch.

[MrRiceowlex]

Well you see we still need to have those American soldiers unload about 1 MILLION POUNDS of high nitrogen fertilizer for next years poppy crop.

Those bags get mighty heavy and the extra hands are needed to increase the heroin production. If American banks can't launder those $500 BILLION IN HEROIN DOLLARS through AMERICAN WALL STREET BANKS, there just might be a recession. And sadly this is all too true.

[thompson8305]

sounds like he had a stroke.

[AccordGTR]

Afghan. is similar to Vietnam, not only in US foreign policy but in public perception - Americans think US troops served in Vietnam in 1965 but were actually involved in covert ops in North Vietnam as early as 1957. Americans think US troops were in Afghan. in 2001 when in fact, they were there even before the Soviets invaded in Dec 1979, trying to bribe Pres. Amin to replace Soviet support with US support.

US is there not cuz of OBL or Al Qaeda, it is there for US strategic interests.

[PanjshirGuerrilla]

@AccordGTR bang one thumbs up

[Mamba4424]

December 22, 2012

[jmelkis]

One of your best, Jack. Informative, persuasive, and eloquently argued! I couldn't have said it better myself.

[steve0281]

It is time to stop this insanity. If a country hits us, then they get pounded and that's it. There should be no nation building.

[AccordGTR]

@steve0281 Then you should have "pounded" Saudi Arabia or Egypt cuz the 9/11 bombers were neither Iraqi nor Afghans.

[steve0281]

@AccordGTR But were they operating on orders from or in collusion with the Egyptian or Saudi governments? They were with the Afghani government and were under their "protection." It's an interesting situation.

[AccordGTR]

@steve0281 No, that is not accurate. After the Afghan communist govt was defeated in 1993 to the time of 9/11/01, Afghan. was not a united country as it was devastated by the war. Taliban ruled the South and East while warlords of the "Northern Alliance" ruled the North. Al Qaeda took advantage of this chaotic system. Taliban were not interested in attacking America, they were interested in ruling Afghan. US was already at war with OBL. US created "your story" (propaganda) to invade Afghan.

[steve0281]

@AccordGTR The Taleban had nominal control over the country as it held the capital. OBL was very much a fellow traveller and had asylum with them. When the US demanded that he be turned over their offer was to try him under Shariah. Interestingly enough no school of Islamic jurisprudence condemned his actions. They refused to turn him over and now their country is even worse off than before. I don't advocate ground troops anywhere near there.

[AccordGTR]

@steve0281 With 100,000+ ISAF supporting him, you think Karzai has control outside of Kabul and Kandahar today? How can you say Taliban "controlled the countryside" when they are not a govt with police, army, airforce, telephones and transportation? Think about it. That's a silly assumption for any intelligent person to think Taliban had control over OBL or the 1,000+ tribes of Afghan. US knew OBL since 1980's. He was FBI Top 10 since 1998. You really believe US govt wants to catch him?

[steve0281]

@AccordGTR No I don't. I have plenty of friends there and their intel on this is pretty bleak. After a quick review of my previous posts nowhere did I cite that the Taleban controlled the countryside. As for whether or not the US wants to catch OBL that is an interesting question. There is a lot on the plate for the US to consider. I am certain that they would like to get him (as Sadaam) but there are advantages to letting him roam free. None that I like, BTW.

[AccordGTR]

@steve0281 Iraq was different as Saddam was the leader of a sovereign nation which controlled vast oil reserves and threatened the flow of oil to the US.

Afghan. is a shattered country. It's greatest value is location - ask any real estate agent and they will tell you the value of real estate is location, location, location. From Afghan., the US can't launch attacks on Iran, control resources in the Middle East and Central Asia, and spy on Russia, China, and India.

[SupositoryRepository]

I don't always agree with you, SA, but sometimes you're simply erudite.

[ubetcha13]

far away from the original stated mission is the way our government works on all fronts. wether it is TARP a program to purchase trouble assets that bought none & blackmailed executives into taking money they didn't need only to have to repay those "loans" at high interest to the stockholders of the auto industry being screwed in the "bankruptcies" that were not that either.

It is criminal only if you believe in equal protection under the law which today is nonexistent.

[CTastic1]

And now we are about to invade IRAN!! yay!!

[EchelonMonitor]

Wars for profit are very costly

[katelilith]

The "village elder" calls the shots for a local area. This is why they evolve so slowly and remain ignorant to progress. People are living in mud houses and the entire country smells like an unattended public restroom in desperate need of demolition. Why is everyone so interested in preserving and repairing this absurd colony of B.C.-era "people"? Why are we wasting our time and money? Success in Afghanistan can only be defined as one thing: genocide. We need to kill 'em all, like Metallica.

[Mattboy2388]

@katelilith brilliant...

[crocfme]

To forget history is to be condemned to re-live it...

A country with a tradition of resisting and defeating the invader, a corrupt govt.,a hard to find guerilla force gaining in strength every day, a huge drug trade, a sacked commander, a long war no longer suppoerted by the public, a lost "hearts and minds" campaign, a confused President. Only the names have changed....

Once again our best and bravest, our true patriots, are being maimed and killed...

For what?

[goodinohio]

Bin Laden is the best propaganda boogyman. Bin Laden is most likely living it up in  American funded luxury.

[st1ckycheese]

BTW, Jack, you were awesome in that new Ron Paul documentary.

[st1ckycheese]

Ron Paul 2012.

[captainfreedom78]

SA,

I love your take on things, and your view on our foreign policy is for the most part right on. However, in some ways you look at the strategy as the same neocons that you protest against so well. There is no WAR in Afghanistan, as there was no DOW from Congress (nor was there in Iraq either). So to put the 'police action' in the context of a war in some ways justifies the strategy. This is an illegal action that costs us blood and money that we'll be paying back for a long time to come.

[libertyupdate]

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[squizzbutt]

How can we define victory when we don't even know what our goal is? To top it all off, we are now supporting a corrupt leader in Karzai. It would a joke if it wasn't costing us the lives of Americans, billions of dollars we have to borrow from China, the continous tarnishing of our reputation around the world, and funneling money/resources out of our already sinking economy. Where are our leaders?!!!

[tynitty516]

Gary Faulkner thinks he's on a mission from GOD as did Bush

[wolgreth]

I still say we should pack up and leave; and pack up all overseas bases too.

Isolationist? Well, the current method is not working

[squizzbutt]

This is just another sick war to protect our gulf oil interests...stablize the area. We can't even stablize our own disaster in the Gulf of Mexico! There's TWO good reasons to ween ourselves of oil and get serious about alternatives. I was going to say "what are we wating for!?", but I also realize that it takes a crisis...and I mean a crisis that affects everyone...in gas prices hitting $6 a gallon, until we will finally wake up and make the necessary changes. Until then, it's war and oil.

[elbuggo]

0:51 - We have been fooled. There were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11, but the entire never ending global war on terror came FROM those terrorists ABOARD THOSE PLANES!

There were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11.

[ArcticSlicer]

The so called "reasons" they gave for going into their were just a cover to secure pipeline routes and corporate mines for Afghanistan's vast resources.

Also it's very unlikely that Old Man Bin Laden is even alive anymore. The growing consensus is that he passed away a long time ago; yet our government in collusion with the corporate media "keep him alive" because they need a bogeyman to help justify the unjustifiable.

[Chad9976]

Faulker can't fin Bin Laden because he's been dead for a long time. Benazahr Butto said so (and was promptly assassinated thereafter).

According to FBI dot gov Bin Laden is NOT wanted for 9/11 since they have no evidence to indict him and instead want him for a completely unrelated charge.

Oceania has ALWAYS been at war with Eurasia and always WILL be at war with Eurasia!

We're in Afghanistan for the opium. Even Fox News reported this. "Can't let Al Qaeda get that opium!"

[rawnie79]

iran is next, you can quote me on that.

[helpendthefed]

Bin Ladens been dead for years. He's a ghost.

[evergreenpotato]

@controversyking I suspect it would also be okay with the libs if it were a President Kerry or a President Hilary Clinton doing the same things. Make sense? Only in the same way that cheering for one football team versus another makes sense. As a taxpayer I don't care if it's a Republican or a Democratic administration spending us into bankruptcy. And if I were an Iraqi or an Afghan, why would I care if it were a Republican or a Democratic President ordering an invasion of my country?

[abolof]

agree to all but the last, the indian wars are americas longest!

[JebBlack2010]

Dumb and Dumber....foreign policy.

[Mattboy2388]

The bottom line is that the American people do not deserve to lose another kid in this senseless war. 

[Connect2Homes]

I wonder when General McCrystal comes out with his own book about the war. Will it be like War Is a Racket by retired U.S. Marine Major General Smedley Butler, one of only 19 people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, in which Butler frankly discusses from his experience as a career military officer how business interests have commercially benefited from warfare.

[squizzbutt]

Where is the criticism for this war from the far left liberals who basically tar and feathered Bush for the OTHER unnecessary Iraq war? Hypocrisy is the ugliest thing to come from partisan politics and we are currently knee deep in it.

[MsWanderer1]

The Middle East is going to be a nuclear disposal area! The only way to solve the problem is to fulfill their prophecies so let's do it!

[captainimij]

If we bailed out of Afghanistan who would fill the vacuum?The truth about the mineral deposits over there has been known a long time.Then there's the poppies and a possible oil/natural gas pipeline.There is a lot of wealth over there, weather we help ourselves to it or not we don't want anyone else to get their hands on it.

[hellsunicorn]

@controversyking No, it doesn't make sense. I understand it, but nothing that Neo-libs do makes sense. I generally say "there is no logic in politics" in my own videos, and I've yet to be proven wrong.

[jsh78mang]

@hellsunicorn " No logic in politics" Smartest thing I've heard all day.

[yakyakyak69]

We'll leave Afghanistan for the same reason the Soviets left. They went bankrupt!

Now the cold war rages in the US Congress with the Progressive-Socialists vs the Constitutional Conservatives. Liberty is NOT winning!

[subjer0]

Fifteen out of the nineteen hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Why did we go to war with Iraq and not Saudi Arabia? Things that make you go hmmmm...

[1959Artie]

@subjer0 Are you still buying into the official lie about 9/11? Our government setup Afghanistan and Iraq by blaming 9/11 on them and the people took these lies as the truth because they "trust" their government. The only ones who attacked us on 9/11 were elements of our rogue government along with MOSSAD and possibly MI5!! Wake up and smell the coffee! We have all the proof that we need, we just can't get a real investigation to prove it to the masses.

[BradNC11175]

@1959Artie I don't think it is or has been for a long time a situation where the people trust the government. People may have thought Uncle Sam knew best and was a swell guy during WWII but that shit started unraveling after the Warren Commission released it's findings. Watergate didn't help either nore did the Iran/Contra affair or Waco and the list goes on. People are way to distracted with far more important things like Stone Cold Steve Austin and Britney Spears to worry over trivial things.

[BradNC11175]

@1959Artie things like bubble gum music and who is fucking who in Hollywierd & rasslin far more important than the State of the Union or National Security, but so is one's personal affairs. With all the wealth and luxury we live in disguised as tremendous personal debt and servitude, actually the other way around by now, who has time for geo politics & government scandals? 150 years ago Lincoln "freed the slaves" (lol) but now most of us are slaves upon the Federal Plantation of America.

[nbenicewicz]

Either fight the war in Afghanistan to win or get out. We failed to nation build in South Vietnam, the Soviet Union failed to nation build in Afghanistan and we failed to nation build in Somalia. Fight the Damn war to win or leave, it is immoral to keep sending thousands of soldiers to a country to die when the people in that country don't want us there. If we want to destroy Al Qaeda and the Taliban to the point where they're no longer a threat then do it.

[ZilverGalacticon]

Right on!

[bleckmon]

Execellent Video!

[Kras3169]

Jack "Southern Avenger" Hunter should run for office!

[BradNC11175]

It takes one hell of a tough, dedicated & brave person to serve in our military who believes in what they are doing. Or it takes a damned fool for putting their lives into the hands of lying con artists & fools as we have who give our military it's marching orders. Either way, God bless the troops. It is the American people who have ultimately let our military down the most for allowing our government to do what it does.

[1959Artie]

@BradNC11175 I totally agree Brad!!

[fsujag54]

Keep putting out great videos, SA!

[MRSketch09]

@Vid

Good video. I think its odd that they would remove an American, when there so heavily.. well its mentioned by the media that Pakistan is a terror safe haven. So to think they would care about one lone guy over there wandering around... surprising.

[mrhulot101]

Why isn't Afghanistan a problem for her nearest neighbors, Russia,China,India,Pakistan.Wh­y are we sucked into this war and her neighbors watch us sink in the quicksand whle Afghani leaders ship Billions out of the country into Dubai bank accounts. Why are soldiers dying to bring "democracy" to a thousand year old Muslim tribal land? Read Churchills Afghan war of 100 years ago and cry for our soldiers to be burdened with an endless political war

[1959Artie]

Obviously, the reason that we are still there is that our troops are right there when Obama greenlight's the invasion of Iran. Then, all of a sudden, there will be no troops in Afghanistan or Iraq. That is the simple reason why they are still there. This government doesn't give a rat's ass about our troop's. They have lined up bunker buster bomb's, outside of Iran. Yes, the same bunker buster's that contain the depleted Uranium that has resulted in disfigured infants and cancer in troop's.

[hedge313]

It is not about winning. It is about spending. It is about debt. It appeases puppet masters that get to control the debt. Our boys are getting killed for foreign bank interests. The movie, "The International" is a loose interpretation of the truth. It has nothing to do with OBL. If they wanted him, they would have them. Unfortunately, you will see us in Iran before the end of the year. Same reason.

[mrd999]

if the president withdrawals troops and we are attacked again, it is a political loss for his party. if he stays the course, then an attack is just a failure of the DoD or intelligence agencies, and he can save face. it's entirely political, and the parties would rather risk the solvency of federal government than lose their political game.

sure, DoD can find some geopolitical advantages of staying, but they aren't the reason we're still there.. but what the hell do i know.

[btigtime2]

I do not think its the longest war. We fought the Apache for 20 years and we are still in only a Cease Fire with North Korea, that conflict is 40 year old. But non the less, stupid war very poor reason to die

[reginaldgoldthwaite]

The remaining reason to stay is to leave Afghanistan better than we found it, instead of just "kicking ass" in some poor nation, losing interest, and wandering off. That may be a pipe dream for Afghanistan, but at least it and Iraq will (hopefully) remind us that our military field trips have real consequences.

[wolgreth]

Soviets were in Afghan and failed. USA should take note of that fact

[LYinKansas]

Gary Faulkner is my new fucking hero!

[BABALAG00SH]

the us in afghanistan for that pipeline

[ZombieX13]

It's about drugs. That's why we're there.

[LetFreedomRlng]

After watching the Ron Paul Liberty film that Southern Avenger was in, I'm pumped....

The 2012 Campaign for Ron Paul starts now. Start making and hanging your Ron Paul 2012 signs!!!!

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[UnderseaCaveman]

Sun-Tzu should have been read!!!

[thejobloshow]

@UnderseaCaveman Sun-Tzu was before guerrilla warfare bro.

[UnderseaCaveman]

@thejobloshow ---The Irony, Sun Tzu is all about Guerilla Warfare and Black Ops...

It was the old European Christian (Brits, French, etc) view that war is fought under the eyes of God.....and thus it should be fought standing in lines....as God would decide "who falls"..... Like I said "Sun-Tzu should have been read".....

[OGjimbo]

I haven't heard anyone lampooning Faulkner. What is there to lampoon him for? For being a badass motherfucker who got fed up with the bullshit and decided to take matters into his own hands with a Rambo style vacation to Pakistan with the soul objective of feeding Osama Bin Laden a few bullets?

I made a video about this right after the story broke and my position is still exactly the same; Gary Faulkner is fucking awesome.

[prayfortruejustice]

What did Osama Bin Laden or Al CIAeda have to do with 9/11? Even the FBI doesn't attribute 9/11 to Bin Laden -- go see for yourself at their web site. Now who did have the resources and intelligence to pull off 9/11? Which country has made billions (if not over a trillion) in profits off 9/11? One guess.

/watch?v=kVKGRB3cygg

[cheeseaura]

awesome video. Straight to the point as always.

[MrRiceowlex]

We have to keep fighting. If we stop then there will be no more military arms sales, no more "No Bid Contracts" no more theft of resources belonging to other sovereign countries. I think the most important aspect however is that it will no longer drain the United States treasury. The plan is a complete and irreversible bankruptcy of the United States. Think about that "War Lovers" when your digging through a dumpster for a meal. Central banks like the FED are notorious for killing countries.

[MooseOfReason]

I read that George Will column in the NY Post in the break room at work. Good stuff.

Thanks again, Jack.

[loafie79]

War Sucks And everyone whos in charge of the U.S.A should be fired. Ron Paul should be in office, What happen to the amerixa my grandpa grew up in. Are we turning into ROME? Are we going to make excuses on why we attack others, like ROME did in the begining of its rain ?

[shoelessjohn]

"Terror" as a purpose for being there makes no sense, but they wouldn't be there for no reason. We can agree that terror is too implausible a reason to still be there, yet we are still there, so why? One possible explanation is that being there prevents anyone else from being there (i.e. Russia or China) without causing political and military tension. Afghanistan is very ore rich, as recently expressed by the U.S. DoD (1 trillion+), and is militarily a key strategic location in the region.

[CarryANationIII]

@shoelessjohn It's hilarious a Jew like Adam Pearlman - aka Adam "Gaddan" - can put a towel on his head, read a speech, and millions of Americans actually believe it's some Muslim conspiracy run by Bin Laden living in a cave in Afghanistan.

After all, Southerners - White people in general - believe anything and everything the Television tells them.

FOX, MSNBC, CNN, ABCBS, etc.

[danbowski40]

Obama will withdraw the troops in 2011. To sucker the sheeple once again with his mandate of "Hope and Change" for the 2012 elections. How stupid and dumb are the American people if they fall for that garbage again? :(

[MagnusIan]

@danbowski40 fyi, using words like "sheeple" automatically shows that you're a conspiracist fucktard. Congrats.

[danbowski40]

@MagnusIan Replying to comment not directed at you, automatically shows your a Fucking Moron! Congrats back at ya.

[MagnusIan]

@danbowski40 Did you eat a big bowl of stupid for breakfast? Your original comment was not in direct response to another user. You made the choice of putting your words out there for other people to reply to once you clicked the "Post" button, pal. In doesn't matter whether or not you where directing a response from me; you left a comment, and I left a response. End of fucking story.

btw, the irony of your words "...your a Fucking Moron!" speaks volumes. Good day, idiot.

[danbowski40]

@MagnusIan I made a comment asshole, but you chose to respond to it with vulgarity and I answer those 7 times fold. So now deal with it hijo de puta!

[1959Artie]

@MagnusIan No idiot, what your words show is that you take exception to the term "sheeple" because it refers to you in a negative light. So, you don't believe in conspiracies? That shows the total ignorance that you have regarding history. Let's see, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, USS Liberty, JFK, RFK, MLKJr, 9/11!!! All proven conspiracies. I think that YOU need to brush up on your knowledge base before you bash someone else for stating the obvious.

[MagnusIan]

@1959Artie, it would save you time if you just typed "HURRR DURRRRRR."

Everyone with a brain would still think of you as a moron and it would use less data here on YouTube. Thank you, now go back outside and continue to point out all the "chemtrails" you see.

[1959Artie]

@MagnusIan Yea Mag, you must live in a fucking cave!! But the thing that all sheeple have in common is that they can't deal with reality and give their blind support for a government that has gone off the deep end. If you want to go through life, hiding from the truth, that is your problem. I don't have to say anything more except, watch and you will see. We ARE going to invade Iran!! Open your damned eyes and understand what is really happening, if you can get unraveled from your flag!!

[MagnusIan]

@1959Artie Riiiiiiiiiiight, Artie. That must be it. I just LOVE the government and believe everything they tell me. Way to strawman me, you asshat.

The only people "hiding from the truth" are conspiracy morons like you who spend their time in a basement blogging about the evil NWO and how the reptilian humanoid aliens control EVERYTHING with help from the Illuminati & Free Masons. They all must be in cahoots with each other in their plot to take over the universe with the help of Xenu!

[yojimbo81]

Has anyone else been wondering where the anti-war demonstrations have been hiding the past two years?

[ufamizm]

@yojimbo81 No doubt still celebrating Obama's victory still unaware they re-elected Bush.

[Steadno]

russia left in shame and so shall we

[soavifox]

Now this is a point of view of yours I can easily get behind. I think true moderates, libertarians, and progressives can agree at least on all of this. Also Obama is a crook and a liar.

[hellsunicorn]

Afghanistan is Vietnam, it was the minute the focus shifted from Bin Laden to nation building, which was only a couple of months into it. To this day I am bewildered at how the same people who decried this insanity during Bush's tenure are now supporting the same insanity blindly.

[evergreenpotato]

@hellsunicorn Well, I guess that says something about their true motives.

[hellsunicorn]

@evergreenpotato Indeed. I saw a picket sign on a documentary a while back of some anti-Bush protesters that read "No Wars...Unless a Democrat is president!!!". I'm not sure whether to be chuckled or horrified at such madness.

[10aces]

@hellsunicorn And let's not forget the corollary. It amazes those of us who have opposed intervention all along, why some have suddenly developed such vociferous opposition to a Bush tenure policy. Retarded Cowboy? Whatever. Obama? Hell no.

[1959Artie]

@hellsunicorn You are definitely correct. Afghanistan is our generation's Vietnam. Then there is also Iraq, whose mission statement has been changed so many times that I've lost track. What are we still doing there? Why are we fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan? The Obama administration duck these questions all the time. Look forward to a war in Iran, at the order's of Zionist Israel. Our government doesn't work for us, the work for Israel!! Didn't anyone get the memo?

[hellsunicorn]

@1959Artie As best I can figure, we're in Iraq to make sure that the government there doesn't switch from dollars to Euros, and we're fighting the Taliban because we like having every country in the world flooded with Heroine dealers. As for Israel, by themselves the real pro-Zionist voting block wouldn't amount to much, but then there is all these Dispensationalist heretics in the bible belt preaching in their churches that Americans must defend Israel in order to be saved.

[1959Artie]

@hellsunicorn Also, the teapartier's are predominately Republican's. The same people who thought that these wars were wonderful while Bush was in office. Now that a democrat is in office, illegitimately I must add, they are against these wars. The outright stupidity of these people is a disgrace. The wars were never justified. How do we get out? Ron Paul answered that question "We marched in there, we can turn around and march right out". It's that simple, yet so complicated!!

[hellsunicorn]

@1959Artie I was part of the Tea Party back in 2007, when it was primarily Ron Paul people and Libertarians. I actually have a video up mocking Sarah Palin and other Teabagging Republicans who co-opted the Tea Party movement, it's back in the upload on my channel a few months.

[erato99]

@hellsunicorn

American presidents are interchangeable these days. Put a different label on the same product and you can bring in the once oppositional side of the American public as consumers to just about anything.

[hellsunicorn]

@erato99 Yep, that's American politics for you. Oppose the war, unless it's our party that's running things.

[erato99]

@hellsunicorn

Well put....... plus, the name is great