4. And We sent not a Messenger except with the language of his people, in order that he might make (the Message) clear for them. Then Allâh misleads whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. [Qur'an: Surah Ibrahim]
No distinctions made, just sometimes I used the name that Muslims use (the intended original audience for this video), an others the one I´m more used to use :)
As for the issue of war - of course God is the Most Just and no doubt it is better to have peace than war. This is exactly why there is an injunction for Jihad (striving in the way of God) in Islam.
If there are people being oppressed in any given country - either for religious or non-religious persecution - then war is a legititmate means to order to restore JUSTICE. You can have PEACE and no JUSTICE - but what kind of existence is that?
That is exactly what George Bush use as an excuse for war!. Who decides who is oppressed?, many western says that women on Islam are oppressed, many women on Islam say they are not. With that reasoning a war to liberate those oppressed women is just.
There´s no PEACE without JUSTICE, there may be a temporary CALM, but no more than that.
No Bush's excuse for war was that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
Are you telling me the Allied Nations should not have helped overthrow the Nazi regime that was oppressing and killing millions of human beings (Jews, gypsies, etc.)? If we had followed your no-war stance - there would have been no Jews in Europe today!
Let us have a rational discussion. We know when physical intervention is necessary to preserve life and justice in the world.
We can pretend to know, but we can be totally wrong as in the example of opressed women I used before.
About WWII that is not the subject, the Allied Nations didn´t get into it to help oppressed people, it was just a response to a direct agression to their interests and territory. Oppression remained after allied victory in many many ways and places.
Bush's "opinion" does not translate into fact. Like you mentioned, the Muslim women in those countries adamantly uphold they are not oppressed - therefore it is only arrogance and ignorance that would lead anyone to believe otherwise.
Was the suffering of the Jews and other minority European groups Mitigated through use of physical force? YES. That is the point! I don't pretend to know or care for anyone's intentions other than my own.
Remember there was an Iron Curtain after WWII, many europeans would agree that their suffering was not mitigated by the use of physical force.
The same ignorance and arrogance that may justify for many people the defense of muslim women, may lead to other excuses for agressions.
I stay with the opinion I expressed on the video, may be some wars are inevitables, but we never can say that they are just. JUSTICE IS THE FIRST VICTIM OF ANY WAR.
The Qur'an because it is from God, just like any truth, is not subject to interpretation by any person. God revealed the Qur'an and He sent messengers to convey His message (which is to worship the One God) and they embody and explain the teachings of the Qur'an.
Muslims understand and follow the Qur'an according to the teachings of God's prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), who came with the same message of Moses and Jesus.
In facts, interpretations are the only things that exists about any book. You must know that there are many opinions about what the Qur'an teaches on thouthands of matters. They have been from the beggining of Islam and they are now. For example, Muradaldin says that I´m not an "infidel" but other muslims on YT are almost afraid to talk to me just because I´m not muslim.
Yes, I'll agree that interpretations exist for any book. Whether such interpretations are legitimate in themselves is another question.
The Qur'an was sent as a Guide - this is a religious book which deals with successs in this life and the hereafter. God will judge me according to how well or poorly I followed the Qur'an.
Actually according to the Qur'an: you can achieve success in the life of this world and the life of the hereafter.
201. And of them there are some who say: "Our Lord! Give us in this world that which is good and in the Hereafter that which is good, and save us from the torment of the Fire!" [Baqarah]
I was referring that is in this life where you play your dices, if you don´t succeed here there is nothing you can do in the other to revert the situation :)... an eternity without goals to achieve?
God as we both agree is the Most Just. Would He judge us according to a book that has been changed or one which is ambiguous or one for which He had not revealed the correct interpretation?
Obviously not. This is why He sent messengers and prophets, who explain to us the correct interpretation.
But the followers of the prophets don´t agree with eachother, and they still call and recognizes themselves as followers, so ambiguity and uncertainty is the only thing we have... unless we choose to believe :)
You are right that one of God's names is the Most Just or Al-Adl. You mentioned you read the Qur'an so you should have come across the passage which states that God loves those who are Just.
The Qur'an is a book of Guidance - it contains countless passages where God states that it is clear, not a book ofo riddles. There is no ambiguity. It is for all of mankind, Muslim or non-Muslim.
Ablheza, you seem to be a good person. And you seem genuinely interested in gaining knowledge. There are a few books from various Muslims of different background that you can read if you would like to get to know what the average Muslim is like.
Darkness to Sunlight by Zaid Abdul-Aziz
For God and for Country by James Yee
Islam & Terrorism: Myth vs Reality by Mauri' Saalakhan.
Thanks for your words and recomendations!!. Perhaps an average Muslim is quite similar to an average person anywhere, with the same average needs, happyness and sorrows :). Perhaps when the averages will not be controlled by the few we will be giving a short step toward peace.
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. One of those circumstances is to gain the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
over 10,000 deadly jihad terror attacks committed by MUSLIMS worldwide since 2001
Yes it is very sad as for some reason the people that are supposed to be our leaders have not learned from the lessons in the bloody path their predecessors took. no matter what faith one follows, (even non believers) commonsense would prevail that taking another human life is not right.
im glad you do, its been a while since i could have some sort of intelligent conversation about important issues that....no matter where we are in the world effect every one.
There is no such concept as "taqiyyah" in Islam - it is not found in Qur'an or Sunnah -- The 2 prime sources of theology and legislature.
"Taqiyyah" is a shi'ite concept. Please do not speak when you do not have knowledge of anything - especially religion. We should take care not to sow seeds of enmity and purposefully confuse facts.
I dont know all too much about islam, but from what ive read ive never heard of "taqiyyah" in the faith. i agree that all should do some homework before making and "educated" statement. i always do mine and if i am wrong i will always hold myself accountable for my statements. Peace to all
Great video and excellent conclusion. If only people were not so willfully ignorant of this simple truth. It is in Gods hands we can only pray because the submission just doesnt work for peace. (p.s.- Gods in control)
Respectfully, I think this is the wrong idea. It is true that everything is in God's hands, but think about it on a smaller scale. If you see somebody snatch a purse, will you try to catch that person and restore justice, or will you simply say, "Hey, its in God's hands, I'll pray for her". Now think about it on a larger scale.
That is the meaning when it´s said that "faith without deeds is dead", but there may be a problem if when "restoring justice" I only see "my vision of justice". Not everything are old ladies and purses.
we are to fight and strive in the cause of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed. whose cry is "our Lord! rescue is from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Thee one who will protect; and raise for us from Thee one who will help" (4:75). We cannot simply make wars willy nilly based on "my vision of justice", it's very, very specific.
Not trying to offend, but that sounds exactly as a Bush speech! :). It does not sound too specific, the problem starts when you define "oppressors", "weak", "illtreated" and the rest of the quote. For millions of people muslim women are "oppressed", and I´m sure that many, many of them don´t feel that way. Should I start a war to liberate them?.
This is where communication is the key. People don't communicate, and they think they are liberating others. Using your example, if you feel that you need to liberate muslim women, maybe you should ask them directly first?
the same way, you should ask the palestinians and iraqis. Ask them if they are being oppressed and want somebody to come liberate them.
That was all the purpose of the video. Khalid seemed to think that Islam is the only who has the right to "know" what is justice, oppression, etc, etc. As I said in the example, I know that not all muslim women feel oppressed (of course some should do, as many western women do too).
will this comment is funny coming from a castillian whos ancestores slaughtered ,oppressed ,force converted by sword,and having the infamouse inqustionars in bussiness,oppressing the andaliusian muslims(moorish),i mean i dont mean to be rude but i read the west and islamic history of the region and they all say the same,PS granda was a unfair settlment made by ferendad the 5
It´s clear that you have a great imagination! :). Reading is good, thinking on what ones read is better. In case I were castillian, also I would feel free to think and express as I did. Is it fair that acts from centuries ago don´t let us do things right now?.
well looks like you dont even know youer own history,and pleas the matter of spain i read it from almost 32 books and i think i know wat im talking about,dont you my castilllian freind :)PS:alfons the sixth was really a merclice man with the mooors even after the teldo amir took him in when he had no place to go ;p
Again... your imagination is great! :). I´m not from Spain!! :). Again, the important question here is: "Is it fair that acts from centuries ago don´t let us do things right now?."
I want to thank you for your contribution in the construction of a path towards the peace. I also thank you for using your strength and intelligence in this kind of things and to share them with us... in order to grow together. Hugs!
I checked!, and I comment: I´m talking to persons not to comunities, I´m doing it now and not evaluating history. I will walk my path and find my own learning, I feel strong enough to do that without fears and conditions. Yes, I know, I´m far away in time and space from the "real problem", but just think that it worth to "give peace a chance" and learn something meanwhile :).
Also I don´t involve myself in religious conflicts :). Second, S.A. it´s wiiiide and looooong, and where I am on this days temperature goes from 5 to 20 degrees (Celsius) on the day, and tonight a got a soccer match! BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!.
4. And We sent not a Messenger except with the language of his people, in order that he might make (the Message) clear for them. Then Allâh misleads whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. [Qur'an: Surah Ibrahim]
muminah3 4 years ago
It´s Allah who misleads the ones that don´t follow the Qur'an and guides the ones who do?
ablheza 4 years ago
Sir. Allah == God. There is no difference. I do not know why people alway distinguish between them.
Engior 4 years ago
No distinctions made, just sometimes I used the name that Muslims use (the intended original audience for this video), an others the one I´m more used to use :)
ablheza 4 years ago
Actually if you are Muslim or you speak Arabic:
Allah= The Only deity (thing, object) worthy of worship
It's Al-Ilah, and if you check Lisaan al-Arab you'll find the definition there.
But you are right, when you make reference to Allah you are speaking of God (who is the only deity worthy of worship).
muminah3 4 years ago
As for the issue of war - of course God is the Most Just and no doubt it is better to have peace than war. This is exactly why there is an injunction for Jihad (striving in the way of God) in Islam.
If there are people being oppressed in any given country - either for religious or non-religious persecution - then war is a legititmate means to order to restore JUSTICE. You can have PEACE and no JUSTICE - but what kind of existence is that?
muminah3 4 years ago
That is exactly what George Bush use as an excuse for war!. Who decides who is oppressed?, many western says that women on Islam are oppressed, many women on Islam say they are not. With that reasoning a war to liberate those oppressed women is just.
There´s no PEACE without JUSTICE, there may be a temporary CALM, but no more than that.
ablheza 4 years ago
No Bush's excuse for war was that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
Are you telling me the Allied Nations should not have helped overthrow the Nazi regime that was oppressing and killing millions of human beings (Jews, gypsies, etc.)? If we had followed your no-war stance - there would have been no Jews in Europe today!
Let us have a rational discussion. We know when physical intervention is necessary to preserve life and justice in the world.
muminah3 4 years ago
We can pretend to know, but we can be totally wrong as in the example of opressed women I used before.
About WWII that is not the subject, the Allied Nations didn´t get into it to help oppressed people, it was just a response to a direct agression to their interests and territory. Oppression remained after allied victory in many many ways and places.
ablheza 4 years ago
Bush's "opinion" does not translate into fact. Like you mentioned, the Muslim women in those countries adamantly uphold they are not oppressed - therefore it is only arrogance and ignorance that would lead anyone to believe otherwise.
Was the suffering of the Jews and other minority European groups Mitigated through use of physical force? YES. That is the point! I don't pretend to know or care for anyone's intentions other than my own.
muminah3 4 years ago
Remember there was an Iron Curtain after WWII, many europeans would agree that their suffering was not mitigated by the use of physical force.
The same ignorance and arrogance that may justify for many people the defense of muslim women, may lead to other excuses for agressions.
I stay with the opinion I expressed on the video, may be some wars are inevitables, but we never can say that they are just. JUSTICE IS THE FIRST VICTIM OF ANY WAR.
ablheza 4 years ago
Actually, the truth is the first victim of any war (as is evident from war propaganda).
muminah3 4 years ago
:) I can concede that!
ablheza 4 years ago
The Qur'an because it is from God, just like any truth, is not subject to interpretation by any person. God revealed the Qur'an and He sent messengers to convey His message (which is to worship the One God) and they embody and explain the teachings of the Qur'an.
Muslims understand and follow the Qur'an according to the teachings of God's prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), who came with the same message of Moses and Jesus.
muminah3 4 years ago
In facts, interpretations are the only things that exists about any book. You must know that there are many opinions about what the Qur'an teaches on thouthands of matters. They have been from the beggining of Islam and they are now. For example, Muradaldin says that I´m not an "infidel" but other muslims on YT are almost afraid to talk to me just because I´m not muslim.
ablheza 4 years ago
Yes, I'll agree that interpretations exist for any book. Whether such interpretations are legitimate in themselves is another question.
The Qur'an was sent as a Guide - this is a religious book which deals with successs in this life and the hereafter. God will judge me according to how well or poorly I followed the Qur'an.
muminah3 4 years ago
I understand that according to the Qur'an this is the only life where we can achieve success :)
ablheza 4 years ago
Actually according to the Qur'an: you can achieve success in the life of this world and the life of the hereafter.
201. And of them there are some who say: "Our Lord! Give us in this world that which is good and in the Hereafter that which is good, and save us from the torment of the Fire!" [Baqarah]
muminah3 4 years ago
I was referring that is in this life where you play your dices, if you don´t succeed here there is nothing you can do in the other to revert the situation :)... an eternity without goals to achieve?
ablheza 4 years ago
Essentially, we are (both) referring to the same thing!
I'm glad we agree.
muminah3 4 years ago
God as we both agree is the Most Just. Would He judge us according to a book that has been changed or one which is ambiguous or one for which He had not revealed the correct interpretation?
Obviously not. This is why He sent messengers and prophets, who explain to us the correct interpretation.
muminah3 4 years ago
But the followers of the prophets don´t agree with eachother, and they still call and recognizes themselves as followers, so ambiguity and uncertainty is the only thing we have... unless we choose to believe :)
ablheza 4 years ago
You are right that one of God's names is the Most Just or Al-Adl. You mentioned you read the Qur'an so you should have come across the passage which states that God loves those who are Just.
The Qur'an is a book of Guidance - it contains countless passages where God states that it is clear, not a book ofo riddles. There is no ambiguity. It is for all of mankind, Muslim or non-Muslim.
muminah3 4 years ago
AMBIGUTY! it´s one of the few things we all have for sure!! :). Thanks for your comments, I appreciate them!
ablheza 4 years ago
Words of wisdom. :)
Beastmasta007 4 years ago
Thanks! appreciate it! :)
ablheza 4 years ago
Ablheza, you seem to be a good person. And you seem genuinely interested in gaining knowledge. There are a few books from various Muslims of different background that you can read if you would like to get to know what the average Muslim is like.
Darkness to Sunlight by Zaid Abdul-Aziz
For God and for Country by James Yee
Islam & Terrorism: Myth vs Reality by Mauri' Saalakhan.
farhadahmed07 4 years ago
Thanks for your words and recomendations!!. Perhaps an average Muslim is quite similar to an average person anywhere, with the same average needs, happyness and sorrows :). Perhaps when the averages will not be controlled by the few we will be giving a short step toward peace.
ablheza 4 years ago
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. One of those circumstances is to gain the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
over 10,000 deadly jihad terror attacks committed by MUSLIMS worldwide since 2001
kellen45 4 years ago
over 100,000 people killed since 200ce at the hands of christians...
UZNaus 4 years ago
Much more were and still are killed at the hands of humans! :(
ablheza 4 years ago
Yes it is very sad as for some reason the people that are supposed to be our leaders have not learned from the lessons in the bloody path their predecessors took. no matter what faith one follows, (even non believers) commonsense would prevail that taking another human life is not right.
UZNaus 4 years ago
Agree! :)
ablheza 4 years ago
im glad you do, its been a while since i could have some sort of intelligent conversation about important issues that....no matter where we are in the world effect every one.
UZNaus 4 years ago
Check "A Channel is born" to find where I am! :).
ablheza 4 years ago
yeah iwas talking about the last 6 years dumdum
kellen45 4 years ago
There is no such concept as "taqiyyah" in Islam - it is not found in Qur'an or Sunnah -- The 2 prime sources of theology and legislature.
"Taqiyyah" is a shi'ite concept. Please do not speak when you do not have knowledge of anything - especially religion. We should take care not to sow seeds of enmity and purposefully confuse facts.
Lets be honest with each other.
muminah3 4 years ago
I dont know all too much about islam, but from what ive read ive never heard of "taqiyyah" in the faith. i agree that all should do some homework before making and "educated" statement. i always do mine and if i am wrong i will always hold myself accountable for my statements. Peace to all
UZNaus 4 years ago 2
shiite terrorists kill just as much as shia weather you consider them muslims or not
kellen45 4 years ago
Your post does not make any sense.
A word to the wise: Please stop the hate-mongering.
muminah3 4 years ago
shiite and shia are the same, loser!!!
ramsuz 4 years ago
your a doosh
bergfergle 4 years ago
I know that I´m not that, and I don´t know what you are... but at least, now I have a clue! :)
ablheza 4 years ago
Salvation and culture are not tide together! You should open the book and read it!
ovaisreza 4 years ago
Tell me wich book says that and I will tell if I didn´t read it! :)
ablheza 4 years ago
i will try to respond :)
DamascusMinaret 4 years ago
I appreciate that!! :)
ablheza 4 years ago
Great video and excellent conclusion. If only people were not so willfully ignorant of this simple truth. It is in Gods hands we can only pray because the submission just doesnt work for peace. (p.s.- Gods in control)
Uaz31 4 years ago
Thanks David!. "As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead." James 2,26 :)
ablheza 4 years ago
Respectfully, I think this is the wrong idea. It is true that everything is in God's hands, but think about it on a smaller scale. If you see somebody snatch a purse, will you try to catch that person and restore justice, or will you simply say, "Hey, its in God's hands, I'll pray for her". Now think about it on a larger scale.
shezanbaig2004 4 years ago
That is the meaning when it´s said that "faith without deeds is dead", but there may be a problem if when "restoring justice" I only see "my vision of justice". Not everything are old ladies and purses.
ablheza 4 years ago
we are to fight and strive in the cause of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed. whose cry is "our Lord! rescue is from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Thee one who will protect; and raise for us from Thee one who will help" (4:75). We cannot simply make wars willy nilly based on "my vision of justice", it's very, very specific.
shezanbaig2004 4 years ago
Not trying to offend, but that sounds exactly as a Bush speech! :). It does not sound too specific, the problem starts when you define "oppressors", "weak", "illtreated" and the rest of the quote. For millions of people muslim women are "oppressed", and I´m sure that many, many of them don´t feel that way. Should I start a war to liberate them?.
ablheza 4 years ago
lol! :) the Qur'an is far from Bush speech!
This is where communication is the key. People don't communicate, and they think they are liberating others. Using your example, if you feel that you need to liberate muslim women, maybe you should ask them directly first?
the same way, you should ask the palestinians and iraqis. Ask them if they are being oppressed and want somebody to come liberate them.
shezanbaig2004 4 years ago
That was all the purpose of the video. Khalid seemed to think that Islam is the only who has the right to "know" what is justice, oppression, etc, etc. As I said in the example, I know that not all muslim women feel oppressed (of course some should do, as many western women do too).
ablheza 4 years ago
will this comment is funny coming from a castillian whos ancestores slaughtered ,oppressed ,force converted by sword,and having the infamouse inqustionars in bussiness,oppressing the andaliusian muslims(moorish),i mean i dont mean to be rude but i read the west and islamic history of the region and they all say the same,PS granda was a unfair settlment made by ferendad the 5
pointoutlierzions 4 years ago
It´s clear that you have a great imagination! :). Reading is good, thinking on what ones read is better. In case I were castillian, also I would feel free to think and express as I did. Is it fair that acts from centuries ago don´t let us do things right now?.
ablheza 4 years ago
If all your history books say the same (about any subject), the first conclusion is that you still don´t have enough books!! :)
ablheza 4 years ago
well looks like you dont even know youer own history,and pleas the matter of spain i read it from almost 32 books and i think i know wat im talking about,dont you my castilllian freind :)PS:alfons the sixth was really a merclice man with the mooors even after the teldo amir took him in when he had no place to go ;p
pointoutlierzions 4 years ago
Again... your imagination is great! :). I´m not from Spain!! :). Again, the important question here is: "Is it fair that acts from centuries ago don´t let us do things right now?."
ablheza 4 years ago
I expect more than passive respect :). I expect you to accept a challenge!. Thanks! Till next!
ablheza 4 years ago
I want to thank you for your contribution in the construction of a path towards the peace. I also thank you for using your strength and intelligence in this kind of things and to share them with us... in order to grow together. Hugs!
JustASeed 4 years ago
I checked!, and I comment: I´m talking to persons not to comunities, I´m doing it now and not evaluating history. I will walk my path and find my own learning, I feel strong enough to do that without fears and conditions. Yes, I know, I´m far away in time and space from the "real problem", but just think that it worth to "give peace a chance" and learn something meanwhile :).
ablheza 4 years ago
Liked your points on meaning & interpretation-
Justice & peace may only be ideas that mean different things to diffferent folks depending on our interpretation & understanding-
Yet- no matter what our interpretation/understanding- the only real difference is the ideas we use to define meaning & ourselves- ideas are powerful.
docrufus 4 years ago
Billy,
Sorry, I am not getting involved in a religious conflict. But, it's about 63 degrees in S.A. Why are you wearing a sweater?
MGABBYB 4 years ago
Also I don´t involve myself in religious conflicts :). Second, S.A. it´s wiiiide and looooong, and where I am on this days temperature goes from 5 to 20 degrees (Celsius) on the day, and tonight a got a soccer match! BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!.
ablheza 4 years ago
Seeing again, you are right! I should feel hot with that fire on my face!! :).
ablheza 4 years ago