@TheGamanic No but his moms water nymph and as for Hector I think that like me the person who wrote this movie not the book may have biases towards Troy I know personally I <3 hector
@julijan999 - not sure who Achilles' cousin is that you are referring to, I would need to read it again a third time as it was a long time ago that I read the Illiad or the Odyssey - and it is easy to confuse the 2 timelines. But there is no doubt that movies made on this event will never be up to snuff - unless I act in it !
You guys, stop arguing. The Illiade is a work of art, the movie is a work of art, but made from David Benioff's perspective. Forget about that Turkish music from the beginning of the movie because it does not fit with the images. The Odysseus's speech at the ending is the most beautiful I have ever seen on screen. IF THEY EVER TOLD MY STORY, LET THEM SAY I WALKED WITH GIANTS. This is not a script, this i not a movie. This is poetry and this is work of art.
@julijan999 No, the book talks from the returning of Criseis to her father, to stop the plague from the Trojan champ and Agamemnon's stealing Achiles's Briseis.
Do I dare criticize what is obviously a great video? I would love it if the music could be dampened at 1:30 ff. so we could hear Odysseus's narrative better....but great job!!
I'm still waiting for someone to do Homer justice in a modern film or theatrical production. Modern adaptations of these stories have either focused too much on how to sell sell sell, or were done by underfunded production companies. Obviously money seems to be the issue, so i guess it's going to take someone with money and passion for the project who's willing to accept a loss.
@Banryu95 they can't due a movie with the g-ds except maybe thetis jove juno zeus and apollo, the important ones, it's too complicated. Homer is an excellent writer, probably the best before Tolkein
I love Troy as a movies, but as the movie based off The Iliad I must say I'm disappointed. I expected it to be more like the book, but I think we've all learned that that is impossible for Hollywood to do. They over humanified Achilles, and they over heroified Hector. I feel that Achilles was supposed to be 99% god and 1% human but it felt like a 60 to 40 ratio. Speaking of the gods where were they. I feel that kill the plot because the war only continued because of the gods involvement in it.
@LostNinjaNoBull My dear friend, this is based on Homer's "Illiade", not an ecranization of it. If you have read it as you say, you will find that Achilles acted like an emo child in the entire epic. Hector is as he should be, though in the book he as a little bit more cruel, but this is the vision of David Benioff, the script-writer. And if they involved gods in this, it wouldn't have been a historical movie, but a movie for children, like "Percy Jackson and the Olympians".
@Savin406 Firstly its the Iliad, one l no e. Second ecranization is not a word. Third the fact tha you discribed Achilles as "an emo child" shows how much you got from reading it, if you even read it. In the 1st book of the Iliad Achilles is arrogant and enraged when his pride is hurt by Agamemnon taking his prize, he was not sulking, hes stuborn. Hector on the other hand is over glorified. Even though he is the best of the Trojan army towards the end you see his true character.
@LostNinjaNoBull My dear friend. If you have read The Iliad, then you know Hector ran away from Ajax because he wounded him in the chest with a rock. Apollo gave back his strength under a tree and then he return to battle. He set the Trojan camp outside Troy take back the territories gained by the Greeks.
@LostNinjaNoBull Hector knew he would have died in this war by the hand of Achilles, though he remained with his people until the end. What would you do if you faced in battle the man who could kill you? Would not you try to avoid him? And Athens did not come as an ally to Hector, she came disguised as Hector's brother, Deiphos, to encourage him to fight her nephew, Achilles. I think you should read it again, no offense.
@LostNinjaNoBull Remember the first book when Homer talks about how Achilles felt after Agamemnon took Briseis to him. He was like: "Hey, I am not fighting anymore, I want my doll back. Give me a knife to cut off my veins and call my mom, Tethys. I want back to Peleus!!!". I think you live in your mind with the image of Brad Pitt in Troy, not with the image of Achilles in Homer's Iliad.
@Savin406 you know their are many different versions of the story.Homers a fake bitch.Its like writing a new bible and saying "hey people read my bible its 100% true!" you're an idiot.
@2cutekandy Look, I was not rude. I was just expressing my opinion. Yeah, Achilles is very hot and powerful and cool but he has that mentality that is somebody beloved was killed in battle the one who killed him must die. Priam tries to make him to understand how it is about the war: "How many fathers and brothers did you kill, great Achilles? How many husbands etc., etc." I was talking about this and the kidnapping of Briseis.
@LostNinjaNoBullAnd I have said Hector is a little bit cruel. He stolen Achilles's armor, which Patroclus wore, and then he wanted to steal Patroclus's body, to take his head and put it on a pillar above the city and then to trow his body to the dogs. But probably you have difficulties in reading the whole comment.
@Savin406 And he is impulsive the way he fights, foolish in having the trojan soldiers camp outside the walls, cowardish proven many of times like in book 17 when he flees from Great Ajax, but returns after being insulted, and running around the outer wall of Troy 3 times when he has to face Achilles and only returns when Athena comes to him as an ally, but he is seen as a family man which makes him more human than presented in the movie.
@Savin406 I know it is based of the script, thats why I said hollywood van never make a movie like the book, because the imagination of the reader as we read it is so much better than what a screen writer and directer can come up with. Oh and your comment saying the involvement of gods wouldn't make the movie historic but a movie for children is frankly stupid, because 1 the book has gods and I wouldn't give that to a kid 2 the gods are one of the main characters.
@Savin406 and 3 thay're the ones that keep the war going, without the greek gods the war would not have lasted 10 years. Also I know Achilles is a demigod, my comment about that was a hyperbole. And what the hell was up with the end?
@Savin406 Properly done, an adaption of the Iliad that is accurate to the book would not have been Percy Jackson and the Olympians. The Iliad is an epic classic, Percy Jackson and the Olympians is an enjoyable young adult book series. The Greek Gods are the only things that the two books have in common. You might as well compare the Iliad with any other modern story with Greek influences.
@cheesetothepower You do not understand that this movie is not called "Illiad", but "Troy". The movie is inspired by the epic wrote by Homer, is not the epic itself.
@Savin406 I just think a direct adaption of the Iliad would be epic, especially if it was as accurate to the source as possible given the diferences in media. There is no inherit problem with taking the basic characters and plot and spinning it around to create something new and spectacular. I'm not saying that the movie Troy doesn't have it's own merits, but I would love to see a big budget Hollywood film that is a faithful adaption of the Iliad.
@Savin406 You hate people saying that Troy is not perfect? Wow. This means that all of us should admit that Troy is the perfect movie? Not even Petersen would have said that, my friend...
@LostNinjaNoBull Achilles is the grandson of god Poseidon, born from goddess Thetys and the mortal king Peleus. Obviously he acts half human. "Troy" is not a movie, but a work of art. And probably as the way you think about this, Twilight is a fucking good movie, right? NEVEEEEEEEEEER!!
@Savin406 wait, Achilles is Poseidon's grandson? All my educated life I was under the assumption that Thetis' was the daughter of the old man of the sea from the Odyssey or Poseidon's predecesor or someone like that and that Peleus was full mortal.
Most things on the better side of decent are masterpieces compared to the Twilight movies. Troy is a movie, and has it's own flaws. I just don't care enough to go and dig them up.
@cheesetothepower Thetis is the daughter of Poseidon and got married with Peleus, who defeated her by a trick. So yeah, Achilles is the Poseidon's grandson.
@Savin406 Where is that written down? Every single written account of who Thetis' father is besides yours has told me that it is Nereus. One book I read on Greek Mythology actually says that Poseidon was competing for Thetis' favor against Zeus. Though brother/sister relationships were not uncommon, the only parent/child sexual relationship that was taken knowledgable was the one between Gaea and Uranus.
You have to understand it will never be possible to convert the Iliad onto film and preserve it's brilliance. There may be some overlap in art forms, but literature and film are such different mediums.
@falcodarkzz That's not truth... They add more scenes that Homer(or it should be Όμηρος)doesn't appear to say. They do that because it will make this movie to be watched more.
P.S.: I am from Greece and at Greek schools there is a subject about the poems of Homer, so let me know something more than you do.
@LostNinjaNoBull I think they might have "over-heroified" Hector because he is from a modern view a more heroic character than Achilles in the sense that he is willing to protect his city, wife, child etc whilst Achilles is much more selfish. As for the whole god thing, Achilles isn't meant to be nearly a god, not even a demi-god, just a very very good mortal fighter, so I think they got the ratio about right
@TheGamanic hmm achileeus is the typical homeric hero and hoeric heroes tend to look for glory. troy has been doomed long before the achaens besieged it for a second time. the first time the treacherous trojans got their asses wooped by telamon and heracles.
At 9.45 that must have hurt
bug2465 1 month ago
@TheGamanic No but his moms water nymph and as for Hector I think that like me the person who wrote this movie not the book may have biases towards Troy I know personally I <3 hector
IluvKurtformGlee 2 months ago
i really love this movie..
and its our assign. in english so its very helpful to me that I watch this movie
ryansel30 7 months ago
ok this is the best greek movie i ever saw i just loved it!!
snivy123ar 8 months ago
Nice dude, this video rules.
tyytan 10 months ago
where'd you get the clips?
HeYhEyRoX 1 year ago
achilles' cousin was patroclus.. :D
kiminova 1 year ago
bad, very bad....read the book....better, much better
wilfrid55 1 year ago
@wilfrid55 doesn't the book only talk from death of Achilles's cousin's death till the burial of Hector and Achilles's cousin?
julijan999 1 year ago
@julijan999 - not sure who Achilles' cousin is that you are referring to, I would need to read it again a third time as it was a long time ago that I read the Illiad or the Odyssey - and it is easy to confuse the 2 timelines. But there is no doubt that movies made on this event will never be up to snuff - unless I act in it !
wilfrid55 1 year ago
You guys, stop arguing. The Illiade is a work of art, the movie is a work of art, but made from David Benioff's perspective. Forget about that Turkish music from the beginning of the movie because it does not fit with the images. The Odysseus's speech at the ending is the most beautiful I have ever seen on screen. IF THEY EVER TOLD MY STORY, LET THEM SAY I WALKED WITH GIANTS. This is not a script, this i not a movie. This is poetry and this is work of art.
Savin406 1 year ago
@julijan999 No, the book talks from the returning of Criseis to her father, to stop the plague from the Trojan champ and Agamemnon's stealing Achiles's Briseis.
Savin406 1 year ago
@julijan999 Sorry, I think I have sent the first comment as a reply to you. I am very sorry.
Savin406 1 year ago
@Savin406 No problem.
julijan999 1 year ago
good thing they stayed true to the books...
domoorigato 1 year ago
Do I dare criticize what is obviously a great video? I would love it if the music could be dampened at 1:30 ff. so we could hear Odysseus's narrative better....but great job!!
proffromgview 1 year ago
I think this video is edited better than the actual movie!
lisakarneyhillroad 1 year ago
whats the song called in the very beginning?
Cerberus666666 1 year ago
powerful
israelmaven1 1 year ago
you know that the real story is messed up in this movie ?!
RoemerS8 1 year ago
I'm still waiting for someone to do Homer justice in a modern film or theatrical production. Modern adaptations of these stories have either focused too much on how to sell sell sell, or were done by underfunded production companies. Obviously money seems to be the issue, so i guess it's going to take someone with money and passion for the project who's willing to accept a loss.
Banryu95 1 year ago
@Banryu95 they can't due a movie with the g-ds except maybe thetis jove juno zeus and apollo, the important ones, it's too complicated. Homer is an excellent writer, probably the best before Tolkein
95mikster 1 year ago
troy is great epic i will use it in my presentation
amal88ful 2 years ago
Awesome video! I have read the Odyssey and loved it! Next, I'll read the Iliad, which this video has inspired me to read even more!
MajorTechFan 2 years ago
very good :) I will use it for a college project! thank you!!
soniaisis18 2 years ago
You did an incredible job!
WhoLetYouGo 2 years ago
I love Troy as a movies, but as the movie based off The Iliad I must say I'm disappointed. I expected it to be more like the book, but I think we've all learned that that is impossible for Hollywood to do. They over humanified Achilles, and they over heroified Hector. I feel that Achilles was supposed to be 99% god and 1% human but it felt like a 60 to 40 ratio. Speaking of the gods where were they. I feel that kill the plot because the war only continued because of the gods involvement in it.
LostNinjaNoBull 2 years ago 8
@LostNinjaNoBull True, but they were more realistic/accurate/historic.
Troy (all of them) was destroyed due to the appeal of its riches, its power and its strategic position.
darkoneforce2 1 year ago
@LostNinjaNoBull My dear friend, this is based on Homer's "Illiade", not an ecranization of it. If you have read it as you say, you will find that Achilles acted like an emo child in the entire epic. Hector is as he should be, though in the book he as a little bit more cruel, but this is the vision of David Benioff, the script-writer. And if they involved gods in this, it wouldn't have been a historical movie, but a movie for children, like "Percy Jackson and the Olympians".
Savin406 1 year ago
@Savin406 Firstly its the Iliad, one l no e. Second ecranization is not a word. Third the fact tha you discribed Achilles as "an emo child" shows how much you got from reading it, if you even read it. In the 1st book of the Iliad Achilles is arrogant and enraged when his pride is hurt by Agamemnon taking his prize, he was not sulking, hes stuborn. Hector on the other hand is over glorified. Even though he is the best of the Trojan army towards the end you see his true character.
LostNinjaNoBull 1 year ago
@LostNinjaNoBull My dear friend. If you have read The Iliad, then you know Hector ran away from Ajax because he wounded him in the chest with a rock. Apollo gave back his strength under a tree and then he return to battle. He set the Trojan camp outside Troy take back the territories gained by the Greeks.
Savin406 1 year ago
@LostNinjaNoBull Hector knew he would have died in this war by the hand of Achilles, though he remained with his people until the end. What would you do if you faced in battle the man who could kill you? Would not you try to avoid him? And Athens did not come as an ally to Hector, she came disguised as Hector's brother, Deiphos, to encourage him to fight her nephew, Achilles. I think you should read it again, no offense.
Savin406 1 year ago
@LostNinjaNoBull Remember the first book when Homer talks about how Achilles felt after Agamemnon took Briseis to him. He was like: "Hey, I am not fighting anymore, I want my doll back. Give me a knife to cut off my veins and call my mom, Tethys. I want back to Peleus!!!". I think you live in your mind with the image of Brad Pitt in Troy, not with the image of Achilles in Homer's Iliad.
Savin406 1 year ago
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2cutekandy 10 months ago
@Savin406 you know their are many different versions of the story.Homers a fake bitch.Its like writing a new bible and saying "hey people read my bible its 100% true!" you're an idiot.
2cutekandy 10 months ago
@2cutekandy If you do not like Homer, or his work, you write another epic and then lets see you.
Savin406 10 months ago
@Savin406 i was just replying in the rudeness you put in the others guy comment.and by the way i believe the original myth better.
2cutekandy 10 months ago
@2cutekandy Look, I was not rude. I was just expressing my opinion. Yeah, Achilles is very hot and powerful and cool but he has that mentality that is somebody beloved was killed in battle the one who killed him must die. Priam tries to make him to understand how it is about the war: "How many fathers and brothers did you kill, great Achilles? How many husbands etc., etc." I was talking about this and the kidnapping of Briseis.
Savin406 10 months ago
@2cutekandy Idiot is the one who uses this word. Look, I do not want to fight with zou or anzone else. This is my opinion.
Savin406 10 months ago
@LostNinjaNoBullAnd I have said Hector is a little bit cruel. He stolen Achilles's armor, which Patroclus wore, and then he wanted to steal Patroclus's body, to take his head and put it on a pillar above the city and then to trow his body to the dogs. But probably you have difficulties in reading the whole comment.
Savin406 1 year ago
@Savin406 And he is impulsive the way he fights, foolish in having the trojan soldiers camp outside the walls, cowardish proven many of times like in book 17 when he flees from Great Ajax, but returns after being insulted, and running around the outer wall of Troy 3 times when he has to face Achilles and only returns when Athena comes to him as an ally, but he is seen as a family man which makes him more human than presented in the movie.
LostNinjaNoBull 1 year ago
@Savin406 I know it is based of the script, thats why I said hollywood van never make a movie like the book, because the imagination of the reader as we read it is so much better than what a screen writer and directer can come up with. Oh and your comment saying the involvement of gods wouldn't make the movie historic but a movie for children is frankly stupid, because 1 the book has gods and I wouldn't give that to a kid 2 the gods are one of the main characters.
LostNinjaNoBull 1 year ago
@Savin406 and 3 thay're the ones that keep the war going, without the greek gods the war would not have lasted 10 years. Also I know Achilles is a demigod, my comment about that was a hyperbole. And what the hell was up with the end?
LostNinjaNoBull 1 year ago
@Savin406 Properly done, an adaption of the Iliad that is accurate to the book would not have been Percy Jackson and the Olympians. The Iliad is an epic classic, Percy Jackson and the Olympians is an enjoyable young adult book series. The Greek Gods are the only things that the two books have in common. You might as well compare the Iliad with any other modern story with Greek influences.
cheesetothepower 8 months ago
@cheesetothepower You do not understand that this movie is not called "Illiad", but "Troy". The movie is inspired by the epic wrote by Homer, is not the epic itself.
Savin406 7 months ago
@Savin406 I just think a direct adaption of the Iliad would be epic, especially if it was as accurate to the source as possible given the diferences in media. There is no inherit problem with taking the basic characters and plot and spinning it around to create something new and spectacular. I'm not saying that the movie Troy doesn't have it's own merits, but I would love to see a big budget Hollywood film that is a faithful adaption of the Iliad.
cheesetothepower 7 months ago
@cheesetothepower I would love to see this adaptation too, my friend. But I hate people that say Troy is not a perfect movie.
Savin406 7 months ago
@Savin406 You hate people saying that Troy is not perfect? Wow. This means that all of us should admit that Troy is the perfect movie? Not even Petersen would have said that, my friend...
Lhein33 7 months ago
@LostNinjaNoBull Achilles is the grandson of god Poseidon, born from goddess Thetys and the mortal king Peleus. Obviously he acts half human. "Troy" is not a movie, but a work of art. And probably as the way you think about this, Twilight is a fucking good movie, right? NEVEEEEEEEEEER!!
Savin406 1 year ago
@Savin406 wait, Achilles is Poseidon's grandson? All my educated life I was under the assumption that Thetis' was the daughter of the old man of the sea from the Odyssey or Poseidon's predecesor or someone like that and that Peleus was full mortal.
Most things on the better side of decent are masterpieces compared to the Twilight movies. Troy is a movie, and has it's own flaws. I just don't care enough to go and dig them up.
cheesetothepower 6 months ago
@cheesetothepower Thetis is the daughter of Poseidon and got married with Peleus, who defeated her by a trick. So yeah, Achilles is the Poseidon's grandson.
Savin406 6 months ago
@Savin406 Where is that written down? Every single written account of who Thetis' father is besides yours has told me that it is Nereus. One book I read on Greek Mythology actually says that Poseidon was competing for Thetis' favor against Zeus. Though brother/sister relationships were not uncommon, the only parent/child sexual relationship that was taken knowledgable was the one between Gaea and Uranus.
cheesetothepower 6 months ago
@LostNinjaNoBull
You have to understand it will never be possible to convert the Iliad onto film and preserve it's brilliance. There may be some overlap in art forms, but literature and film are such different mediums.
falcodarkzz 6 months ago
@falcodarkzz That's not truth... They add more scenes that Homer(or it should be Όμηρος)doesn't appear to say. They do that because it will make this movie to be watched more.
P.S.: I am from Greece and at Greek schools there is a subject about the poems of Homer, so let me know something more than you do.
stathar 3 months ago
@LostNinjaNoBull this movie is not based of the Iliad. Iliad is from the greek point of veiw of the trojan war. Troy is from Troys.
TheStickler52 3 months ago
@LostNinjaNoBull I think they might have "over-heroified" Hector because he is from a modern view a more heroic character than Achilles in the sense that he is willing to protect his city, wife, child etc whilst Achilles is much more selfish. As for the whole god thing, Achilles isn't meant to be nearly a god, not even a demi-god, just a very very good mortal fighter, so I think they got the ratio about right
TheGamanic 2 months ago
@TheGamanic hmm achileeus is the typical homeric hero and hoeric heroes tend to look for glory. troy has been doomed long before the achaens besieged it for a second time. the first time the treacherous trojans got their asses wooped by telamon and heracles.
spartanwarrior1 3 days ago
Great work -- wish I could save the clip so my son could use it in his presentation for 10th grade English.
Sherrirbgr 2 years ago
Lol nice, music from age of empires
TsarSamuil 2 years ago 6
@TsarSamuil Lol,are u serious? You watch this and the only you understand is the music of a game?
stathar 3 months ago
great video
well done
malaguenabeni 2 years ago
Great job men!
fed1945 2 years ago
great job on this, i think its sad when Patroclus dies...
XxKagome143xX 2 years ago
Thank so much for this video, I love your work. I've just subscribed so that I don't miss any more that you upload. =D
Elvansunrise 2 years ago 4
thank you :)
Wolfshead2 2 years ago