Naom chomksy is the greatest intellecutal of his time, specificially on US foreign policy, he's unbiased has made him a inspiration to many around the world. Norman filkienstein isGREAT AS WELL.
What "DISGUSTING" is that this is one of the methdes that the Germans-Nazies use in "GETHO-WARSHA" and "Hawshvitts" in Germany and I know for sure some Russians-Jews doing this horrible horrible "Electronic Weapon" and more torturing on some Targeted-Individual" that they are Jews also!
noam chomsky is an idiot...blaming the israelis and americans who offerd so many peace offers over the years, some of them were sucsseful (jorden, egypt)...has to be really disconected to this earth, in a world were regims are allowd to kill there own people in front of the UN....the u.s is like a ray of sunshine
The difference between South African Apartheid and Israeli Apartheid is that the US is a very religious country. We think Israeli Apartheid is God's Will. In addition, the Israelis seem to have convinced many that giving up any speck of ground--even if it's not theirs to begin with--would be akin to appeasing Hitler, and kicking off the next holocaust.
So I think Chomsky's comparison is a bit oversimplified.
you gentiles are Pathetic Always take some jew and make him god or Messiah just like the jesus and kerl marx and know this noam chomsky did you ever wondering why is this all your biggst gods and messiah and your intellectuals from right and left are jewish and you wonder how we the jews call are self the chosen people dont diss this
comment in 100 yreas from know your kids will things that holly histroy just like your Fathers Though't even the arebs belive in a jewish idea of god
"The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion" is a summary of economic research done by Thomas R. Stauffer. Stauffer's summary of the research was published in the June 2003 issue of The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.
Liberal jews always trash other countries for violence and wars. When it comes down to Israel, everything is self-defense. Everything that Israel does is self-defense. Whatever.
I'm sure when UK, France, and Israel attacked Egypt, that was meant to be "self-defense" as well.
If I had lived during the second world war, I would have stood on the side of the Jewish people -- nowadays, people like the Palestinians, are the 'Jewish people' that are in need of humanity!!!
Well Skibby2005, my friend, I MUST go sleep, I'm truly sorry I'm living now, it was interesting to talk with you and I hope you learn a bit more about the situation here. Also, I AM SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH! Please do not take nothing personally!!! I know you have a good intention! I will try to back here tomorrow. Good night!
Unfortunately many Palestinians in the occupied territories are never able to sleep well.
My reference to genocide refers to the ongoing erosion of the Palestinian economy,destruction and confiscation of farms, restriction of fishing waters off Gaza, encroachment by settlers and harassment in every aspect of the daily lives of Palestinians. There is also, of course, the routine shelling, bombing by F16s, shooting of unarmed protesters or even children etc.
@Skibby2005 Many of the plstn. sleeps very well. Ask the plstn. gov. itself. Many of the children in South Israel are not, because of the rockets trauma.
@Skibby2005 What must they do? stop firing. we left the place in 2005, but 4 no reason they continue firing & kidnap IDF soldiers from inside Israel. U cannot compare F16 to Hammas rocket. It dos'nt matter the size, but its purposes. Hammas firing to hit civilians. F16 to hit Hammas. & Murdering children in their homes? Show me. I can show U the Jewish murdered children in Itamar. U full of Anti-semitic propeganda!
@Skibby2005 U R twisting things. Restriction of water, & so, is because the plstn use waters, ambulances, materials & so, to manifacture rockets & bombs. Israel withdrawal from Gaza back in 2005. So why they firing? Because Hammas wish to kill every existing Jew & because his orders R from Syria & Iran. Hammas don't want peace, but to destroy all of us. Bombing by F16: bombing Hammas, which hiding behind children, & firing rockets on our children. What about them? What they have done?
@Skibby2005 NO?? So where from they got the bombs? HA? Thousends fired at Israel. Kassams, Grads, long range rockets capability, aimed at Tel Aviv, A.T missiles. From where is that come from? Did U know that when Hammas slauthgered Fatah people, the Fatah ran like rats into Erez compound, & the Idf saved them. Did U know that when plstn. injured, thery R treat in Israel hospitles? I wonder if Plstn will also be humane in the opposite, or terror is thier best.
And if I can tell you ignorants - Jews were always been here in Israel, a long before 1948. Please look at the general census that made by the Uthmans in Jerusalem - you will see that most of the population here were Jews from 1800 !!!!
In 1917 only FIVE PERCENT of the population was Jewish - 95% were Muslim and Christian Palestinians.
With the establishment of Israel ( IN 1948 ! ) 55% of PALESTINE was given to Israel - although Jews constituted only 1/3 of the population and owned ONLY 6% OF THE LAND !
@Skibby2005 PALESTINE? Give me just one day this land was a country or a state that called 'PALESTINE'. Just one day! Even yours Moslem brother (Uthmnas) rule this area without giving to the Arabs a state. Have you ever asked you self way??
The Romans crushed Israel, chased the Jews from the land and named it Palestine in 395.
Jews were forbidden from entering Jerusalem for centuries.
The rise of the Muslim empires changed that and Jews were again permitted access !
A nice bit of historic irony considering that Israel will not allow Palestinians to return to their rightful homes after the shameful massacres of the Nakba.
@Skibby2005 It was never an independent country! And.. as you said, "The Romans crushed Israel, chased the Jews from the land and named it Palestine in 395". We have the right to be here a much more then the white man to be in the America.
The Jews from Russia , Europe, America and Africa ( the vast majority of the population ) can hardly have more right than the Palestinians who lived there for thousands of years !
The Zionist influx only started in the last century.
Before modern Israel was invented ( in 1948 ! ) the Zionists considered other options for their " homeland" eg in South America, Europe and even Africa
There were even alternative names discussed such as Judea
@Skibby2005 I'm not asking you to support ISRAEL! I'm just want you to know that the situation here is complected. And if you think that there are BAD and GOOD sides on that story, then please take a good Hollywood movie and leave me to handle the situation here alone.
"YOUR" handling of the situation is leading to the systematic genocide of the Palestinians, so no, I would rather not leave the situation to you and your Zionist cronies
Iasrael would love to be left alone to take over all of Palestine
Fortunately many people especially in Europe are alert to this nefarious objective and are speaking out against it
Why not post on a nice safe website like " Cool facts about Israel"
They don't accept any criticism prefering to live in lala land
@Skibby2005 Good morning :) 'systematic genocide'??? What, you really mean that? You really think/believe that ISRAEL make a 'systematic genocide'??? How did you reach this hallucination conclusion? I am respecting your care for the Palestinian... but if you want to (help) solving the problems here, you need to know the facts, at least.
@Skibby2005 I'm not supporting the occupation on the Palestinians! I am, as many ISRAELIS want a Palestinians state! Just ask any Arab person I he is support a JEWISH state.. maybe then you will understand who is hating under that situation.
You claim that you want a Palestinian state ( ie 2 state solution ) .
Very commendable, but Israel , through its settlement policy and illegal annexation, has so fragmented Palestine that it is no more than a collection of Bantustans or ghettoes, making a viable state impossible !
Israel's hatered is evident in the daily subjugation and institutionalised humiliation of occupied Palestine evry day.
All aspects of the peoples lives are deliberately made as harsh as possible.
@Skibby2005 And from were did you get this wrong data that Jews were 5%??? From ASAD??? KADAFI??? Or any another dictator that rules the Arabs by the 'Hate to Israel'???
It obviously upsets your Zionist propaganda preachings, but they are the real facts nonetheless.
Unfortunately Zionist propaganda is so endemic and pervasive in Israel that it is hard to find the truth.
Fortunately not everyone is fooled.
Don't worry about Arab dictators ( many of them supported by Israel btw ) read renowned Jewish and Israeli authors like Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Gideon Levy, Shlomo Sands, Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim
@Skibby2005 Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Gideon Levy, Shlomo Sands, Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim are another reason to support ISRAEL!!! Give me one Arab man with that courage to say that the situation here is complected, as those gays say. You will not find because they are already dead :(
@Skibby2005 And I have a Q for you.. please tell me why you, as a UK boy, are so interested in the situation here? There are so (REAL!) injustice around the world, many of them are the causes of the occupation your nation has made for centuries, in Africa, Asia, USA, etc.. why the hell you are so interesting in our 'Problem'. Also, and how let you think that you know a bit of the complected situation here??? I really want to know it.
@Skibby2005 "Israel at present has an evil regime"??? "Apartheid and genocidal policies !"??? Now let me tell you that Judaism, as Arabian is not a RACE!!! I know it sounds sexy to say that ISRAEL is an Apartheid country but this is not true!!! There are BLACK/WHITE/BROWN JEWS JUST LIKE THERE ARE BLACK/WHITE/BROWN ARABS!!! The conflict here is not based on race! but on nationality!!!! You are just another brain wash of hating to ISRAEL and this argument is a proof of that :(
@Skibby2005 Also, when I'm going on the buses here I'm sitting with ARABS in the bus, my mother working with Arabs, I am listing to Arab music and so on... Again, unfortunately you know nothing abut the complected situation here...
@Skibby2005 Also, you are more then welcome to check how many Christians left under your Moslems friends in IRAQ, THE WEST BANK, GAZA STRIP, EJYPT etc... who they are live there, what about the rights they have there and so on... after it, please compare it to the situation that Christians have in ISRAEL.
@Skibby2005 - your full of crap, you have a go at others put yourself admit, Israel wasn't there until 1948.
You cover the recent history quite eloquently and, in doing so support why, you should be a Palestinian Citizen and the State of Israel is bogus.
As for the Irish & Scott issues, I couldn't agree more the English nevertheless, they are starting to Govern themselves more and more which, is more that can be said for Israel & Palestine.
@PaulH24752 First, I think Skibby2005 is on your site :)
I know Israel was not been a state on this land before 1948 (and after 300). But you need to admit that Palestine was not been a state for one single day in all the history of this area. The name of this land was changed to 'Palestine' because of the Rome empire, after they were destroy the old Israel (yr 300 approximate).
You are not going to to give the people that live on the 'Alps' a state just because the name of that land is 'Alps'.
@ISRAE4LOVE , you've sort of answered you own question re the "Alps" which seems to reflect the Israeli situation. Personally, I wish you guys would make peace, you deserve to live and feel safe in your lives but, I think you have both got so used to hating each other, its now generational and from an observer perspective seems inevitable that a major conflict in the Middle East will one day become unavoidable, you just have to read/listen to realise that people are becoming concerned.
@PaulH24752 The main conflict/problem in the middle east is the fact that the Arabs world is not developed. There is NO Arab country with democracy or a freedom of speech, even one! IN ALL the Arabs countries there are no woman/guys/Christians/Jews/ rights. Israel is just a reason for them. Feel free to watch the TV shows the Arabs have, then compare them to the TV shows Israel have, you will see that most of the Jews are not hating Arabs, but most of the Arabs are hating Jews, unfortunately.
@ISRAE4LOVE LOL. Are you serious. And so blacks, hispanics, women's, LGBT, Muslims rights are so strong here and else where in the world except in regions that are predominately Muslim or Arab??? LOL. Are you serious? The Civil Rights movement in American happened just 50 years ago!!! Just 50 years! And the country still has major racial issues. And you really need to stop defining the world by American constitutional law. What works here; doesn't work everywhere in the world.
@ISRAE4LOVE From the very beginning it was called 'Canaan', and belonged to the Palestinians:
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The Zionists forced the second world war upon the world, and in doing so, condemned the holocaust upon the Jewish people... Israel, represents nothing but an American military base on Palestinian lands. Like the 'Americans' robbed the Indians of their lands -- the same principle is being applied by the Zionists on the Palestinian people...
@maanvol My friend, you are living in a lala land... but if you really believe that Zionists were made the second world war + rule the economy in the world + and + and + and... so you should respect us for those abilities while we are just 0.00001 of the world :) I thought the Zionists haters are a bit more complected then that... but maybe this is good they are not...::)
@ISRAE4LOVE This is not a question of hating anyone! Zionists, already rule the entire world -- why continue insisting on tormenting the Palestinians? In 1916, Germany had won the war. There was no need for a second one, and Jewry did not have had to face the Holocaust -- horrendous crime against Jewry, Gypsies, etc., committed by the very people that are betraying the Palestinians, the way they betrayed Jewry, etc. during perhaps the whole existence on this planet.
The English have done more harm than good on this planet! They have created Pakistan, Israel, etc. -- in doing so, it condemned humanity into nuclear proliferation!
@PaulH24752 ISRAEL have the right to be existed on this land just like the Palestinians have the right to have a state (even they did not have one even when them own 'brothers' rules this area). The problem is that while ISRAEL is recognize to give the Palestinian a state, the Palestinians (and all the Arabs world) is not recognize the right of the Jews to have state here (size 0.00001 from all the Arabs area around us, that were also occupate this area in yr 600 approximate) .
I still do not comprehend why Israel has allowed Pakistan to become a nuclear state. Was it imposed upon Israel, by th US, to accept this? Normally, Israel does not tolerate a Muslim nation to go nuclear...
@maanvol and exactly, what right has Israel or any other Country for that matter to decide, who should and should not a nuclear capability - this is where we differ, I believe in equal opportunities for all that includes "rights & freedoms" something you evidently know nothing about. We have also seen may Western Governments and more importantly, the US clearly demonstrate their double standards in relation to recent global events, which will effect you, you are all hypocrite and criminals..
@PaulH24752 Nuclear weapons do the existence on this planet no good. One nuclear power, is one too many! The principle of keeping nuclear proliferation at bay is in and of itself a good principle.
Please, do keep in mind that nuclear weapons are no toys...
@maanvol don't patronise me, one of your guys invented the bloody thing - what would you know about principles, when was the last Israel demonstrated her solidarity with wider opinion on Palestine or kept her word on various declarations/treaties....
@PaulH24752 I can only tell you, that if you are an honest person, you had rather prefer a nuclear device in the hands of a stable nation, than in the hands of an unstable nation!!!
And, please, do believe me -- a world without nuclear weapons, would be the more humane society!
@maanvol the thing is Israel has a nuclear capability and is has been shown that Israel has tried to persuade the US to nuke Iran, just as the Saudis did and, as you mention "honesty", I wander, just how much restraint Israel would show if allowed to demonstrate her true disposition, of course, the World would be a better place without them, aside from that fact, a Jew invented the bloody things, Israel is not likely to give them up any time soon, hypocritical or what, honesty, you say, please!
What exactly constitutes a stable nation? And when is a nation justified in using these weapons? There is one treaty that governs the use and proliferation of nuclear weapons and that's the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (1970), which states that all parties to the treaty agree not to gain, use & to disarm & to only harness nuclear energy for good. The U.S .is the only country in history to have used these weapons and that was against Japan in 1945, which killed over 300,000 Japanese.
Funny how people, from foreign countries, think they know best, basing on media biased reports, & are talking in slogans, that their meaning are the killing of 7 milion people. That is their "solution". Enlightenment in it's best!
@shachar10 people from "foreign countries" can tell the different between "right & wrong" unlike yourself.
As previously mentioned, you Israelis have a way of manipulating the truth to suite your needs, the World knows about the slippery Jew. As for the 7 million, it was 6 million and over 50 million was lost in that conflict, grow up, you were not the only ones to suffer - people are getting sick of your crap, we do not have empathy for you lot anymore because, you've wasted it...
"People do not have empathy for you ( Israel ) anymore ...
This is increasingly the case, but unfortunately there are many unenlightened who still do.
That Israel has cynically exploited sympathy for the holocaust is manifestly obvious.
Amazing and extremely disappointing that a nation derived from people who suffered so much themselves can now inflict their own holocaust on the Palestinians !
@Skibby2005 to be fair, I do not accept the holocaust as solely a Jewish affair, I always cams back to the fact that in excess 50 million died in that conflict and, yes, the European Jew were profound affected by their expreience at the hands of the Nazi but equally, I profoundly fail to understand how modern Israel appears to have learnt nothing from from their mistreatment and the impact that comes from continuously being dehumanized. It doesn't feel like they want peace.
@Skibby2005 Please do not love or sympathy ISRAEL because of the holocaust. It sounds sick:( BTW: The Zionism has become 60 yrs (or even more) before those dark days in Europe. Also, Jews were prayed to go back to our home land for all the history.
You know what? it sounds like you gays love to hate Israel just to clear yours pangs of conscience about the holocaust - this is nothing to do with enlightened or any care to the Palestinian.
@Skibby2005 hi ya, it seems that after re-reading numerous comments, it appear that I may have misunderstood your position on the Israeli/Palestinian situation - to be honest, I don't have any empathy for Israel though I have concern for people/human beings - we are all the same in that regard nevertheless, I have to agree with your analogy, I fear the people of Israel are becoming manifestly dysfunctional as a result of their views particular in relation to recent history. its pretty sad.
@Skibby2005 as you rightly point out, it is "extremely disappointing" but aside from the disregards for the Palestinians Humanity, there is also the attitude toward the more wider Global Community, you've no doubt experienced how unreasonable/warped some contributor are coupled with Netanyahu recent comments this merely serves to underpin the notion that a major conflict in the Regine is somewhat inevitable one day.
Power corrupts and absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
@shachar10 funny how you Israelis can't handle the truth and when confronted with facts, you either lie or try to warp the the facts - you know, like shooting unarmed women and children - your fucking animals - you've even killed foreign nationals with peaceful intent - in other words, they were not carrying weapons - your fear of freedom for other is astounding... Hitler really did a number on you lot and in an ironic way, he has succeeded in what he set out to do, your isolation lol.
I agree with Chomsky, the Us employs double standards and, Israel has placed herself in an impossible position, given the ignorance & arrogance of the Israeli, it is unlikely a peace will be settled - Sadly both these tribes simply hate each other and perpetual conflict is all they have to look forward to, of course with US support, Israel feels able to do as she pleases, including committing War Crimes.
@PaulH24752 U can coontinue your lies! Israelis don't hate Palestinians. U see U don't know what's going on here? Whatever Israel do is not good. We can withdrawal to 1967, is that will change things? What will? If Israel will cease t exist? If we will be under Palestinian regime, like what's happening now in Syria??? Stop babbling & say what is the solution, 'cause instead of ridiculous criticism, U don't say nothing.
@shachar10 your comment continuously, reinforce, your nature and, I suppose its no wander the allies wanted you lot out of Europe - you deserve to be where you are as a people, not even the Yanks could of helped you if you had tried your crap in Europe, you guys picked the weaker option but, when the Muslim World eventually come together, Israel will get bum rush lol... mostly I think you Israelis live in fear hence, your criminal behaviour.
@shachar10 I know about the migration after WW2 and your moody claim, the blockade whilst the British turned a blind eye with the endorsement of the US, the Mandate from the League of Nations, the Balfour Declaration, the 6 day War and the subsequent boundaries agreement, the formation of OPEC and the "petrodollar". The one thing that stands out, is Israelis inability to keep her word - you might not like my views but, they represent the facts that support my opinion, you are criminals.
@shachar10 you Israelis don't know shit, history is clearly written and it is most likely, Israeli will be compared to the Nazi long before the Palestinian - equally, contrary to Israeli belief, not all the Worlds Peoples are ignorant fools like yourself - you Zionist have "NO GOD" and on that basis, it is always safe to assume that people with no spiritual awareness will always be able to justify their mistreatment of others, the World will be better/safer place without your warring tribe.
@PaulH24752 Nazis... well, let see. Palstn. snipers hit babies in their heads. many busses exploded. Hammas fire rockets at cities, in order to hit civilians. IS THAT OK WITH U? Hammas: "Jews should stay in Israel, so it would be easy to haunt them all". Syria massacering its own people. Libya, TODAY! Liba, the same. Saddam poisend his own people. I'm not saying we didn't heart innocents. But commparing us to Nazis... its not even worth reacting, actually.
@shachar10 a solution you say, whats the point, you offered the Palestinians free elections and when the voted for Hamas because of their ideology, which Israel continuously uses as an excuse, your negotiators were not even smart enough to even pretend to try and get them to interact with democracy and, look how Netanyahu responded to Obama's reference to the 67 agreement recently on the World stage, how do you think he made Israel look, you'll claim what we saw was a lie and you want peace !
@shachar10 The Germans, the murderers of Jews, donate over $5000 to every Israeli man women and child. Ever heard of any Israeli sending there share back?
@shachar10 You don't like this guy Chomsky because he shakes hands with murderess of Jews. The Germans killed an awful lot of Jewish people who now take money from them. A symbolic shaking the hand of the murderer
@waiotahi52 Chomsky not recognize Israel right to exit & defence herself. This is why I don't like this guy. The Reparations Agreement between Israel and West Germany (not the Nazis) was the very least Germany could have compensate, & it was very controversial. Your coparison is not symmetrical.
@shachar10 You might not like him though, in reality, he only reiterates the historical facts, the land Israel now occupies, was taken by force, fact, more importantly, Chomsky has constantly tried to illustrate the changing view of the Worlds People towards Israel more profound, is the generation of conflict Israel is responsible for, on a personal, you Israeli's seem to think that most of the Worlds Peoples are fools to be manipulated - the World is changing and time is running out for Israel.
@shachar10 no, I mean before and whilst the British occupied Palestine - I believe the immigrant that migrated to Palestine from Europe after WW2 whilst the British turned a blind eye, are directly responsible for the generations of conflict.
I also believe, Israel was given a mandate to settle "peace" by the League of Nation but, given the support of the US, it is understandable why that was never pursued.
@PaulH24752 Several facts: Most of Palestine was abandoned, with only small Jewish & Arabs communities. The place build-up from the swamps by Jewish immigrants. there were many pogrom of Jews by Arabs, [the known, is Hebron 1936]. Some of them immigrant as they heard of the Jewish imm'.
@shachar10 I will not accept your notion of what is acceptable and what isn't, it is floored - firstly so what if the Arabs supported Hitler, so did others, equally, given the facts, in spite of the UN or pressure the Zionist was able to bear on the verious UN Member, the Arabs had every right to reject the UN & the migrating/immergrant Jews congrating in Palestine notion of carving up land that they had "NO LEGAL RIGHT" to do and still don't.
@PaulH24752 Your qoutes: 1. "SO WHAT IF THE ARABS SUPPORTED HITLER". Ahhm... , 2. "I understand the difference between "right & wrong" ". R U even listening to yourself?
@shachar10 you miss the point, yet again, two wrongs do not make a right, every Nation has its shameful moments in history, the Arabs are no different, the real trick, is to learn from your mistakes and, from where I'm sitting, you are not doing a particularly good or encouraging job of learning from past mistakes.
@shachar10 when you take a quote out of context at least, try not to come across as stupid.. the fact is my comments represent a view of the present whilst the Israeli consistently lives in the past, hence your inability to appreciate the views of others - lets have it right, the Arabs were not the only ones to support Hitler and, the World has moved on since though, you Israelis would have us believe otherwise... Can you tell the difference between "right & wrong" ?
@PaulH24752 U R invited to visit Palestinian schools. See what they teach Pal. youngsters. They have the same Ideaology as you have: to wipe out the state of Israel. As a person who call for the extermnation of a nation, U don't tell between right & wrong. As a British person, I wonder... how's everything in the kingdom, ha? Everything peaceful, right?
@PaulH24752 The Zionists eccepted the "white book", while the Arabs rejected it. The Arabs supported Hitler [such as the Mufti Amin al-Husayni] & call to throw the Jews to the sea. When the UN eccepted the 2 states, the Arabs rejected it too & open a war, in order to perform a second Holocaust. There was no "Israel" during the Legue of Nations. Israel born as a result of foreign gov.'s failor to defent the Jewish people. Therefore, fighting for a place in order to survive is jusrified.
@shachar10 its funny how you guys view your history and extremely strange how you are able to brake it into segments to justify the various stages of your occupation of Palestine. The modern day Israelis ancestors belonged in Europe and each generation of Israeli seems to forget that. whilst they continue to subjugate the indigenous people of the Regine. If anything history clearly demonstrates the fall of many draconian societies/cultures, you'll lose in the end, if you don't make an effort.
@PaulH24752 My ancestors come from Israel. My close ancestors ran from Nazi Europe, the others ran from Iraq, after a warning of 48 hours, to leave or to be executed. & their ancestors came from what is now, Israel. This is the story of many Israelis too. Where should we leave? To Europe?? Realy? Maybe to Iraq? We see the "freedom" in those countries. Today, in Israel, they are Arab representatives. There are no Jews in the Arab gov.s. The Arab the one who need a justification, not us.
@shachar10 I am a human being who understand the difference between "right & wrong" and, from your views, its unlikely we'll be able to hold a reasoned debate - you have confirmed, yet again, the ignorance & arrogance you Israelis apply to your problems - for what its worth, there is much my Governments has done, is doing, I am appose too.
No matter what argument you put forward, two wrongs will never equate, to a right - I will not respond to any any further comments - good luck.
@PaulH24752 I think that U the arrogant & blind person here. U ignore the facts I brought here, not a rational being much. U want me to denounce Israel. U talk about peace but your pece is in fact the extinction of us. Your kind R the reason Israel should exist. U canno't reply to me. Not a great onour by someone like U. That will not be the matter. As long as Palestinians won't stop bullshiting & start talking with us, nothing will be matter, surely not "resoned" persons like U.
@shachar10 of course you ancestors came from Israel of old but, they migrated - then the Zionist returned, stole the land they occupy, forced then indigenous people of the Regine to hand over even more land and in between conflicts continuously mistreat the Palestinian Arab/Muslim - your are pretty dysfunctional really.
@PaulH24752 & the Arabs? Not immigrants? Why U so Unilateral?"You Israelis". Is this your answer to everything? first of all, We, "The Israelis" didn't "occupy". We came to a land no one wanted. We didn't remove no one. If we did, how come there R arab vilages? Most of the land was isolated, & we bought the lands from owners. the Brits occupy it from the Turks, until 1948. So what the F R U talking about? But now U will say I'm twisting things.
@shachar10 so your telling me it was OK for you to leave Europe and because no one wanted the land it was OK for you to go and take it - you guys have loads of resources, you could of settle the peace, then started to purchase all the land you wanted - you may of purchased the land you refer to in the first instant but, I bet you didn't tell the Palestinians at the time you planed to import Jews on mass then start to ring fence/blockade the place and then proceed to rename it, Israel ha! ha! ha!
@PaulH24752 Man, you know nothing about ISRAEL . Many Jews in Israel went to Israel from IRAQ (my family), IRAN, EGYPT, YAMEN and even Ethiopia... and even before the holocaust. Get back the movie you are live in that most of the Jews in Israel are European, this is just not true. Also, please learn more the situation here before you stick you nose to places you have not even been. You can also solve you badly situation with the Scots and the Irish if you feel so boring.
@ISRAE4LOVE I understand there were Jews in Palestine before you guys took over, fact is, you should all be Palestinian Citizens not Israeli, why do you find it so difficult to understand that, I can not relate to "degrees or half truths" its all you throw at me.
The bottom lime, if you claim was genuine, why are you having so many difficulties registering your claim, funny thing, two witnesses can see the same incident from different angles yet they both represent a view of the truth.
@PaulH24752 & no. I mean, that My ancestors, maybe hard to belive, were lived in Jerusalem in the 19th century. Not so while ago. I s that history twisting also? Take of your hatred mask & look around. Reality is more complex.
@shachar10 you clear up the ancestral issue quite well, so you ancestors did migrated to Europe and of course, I ask, what right does that give you to return and take forcibly that, your ancestors left behind ! Given the fact that, Israel has more than proven her tenacity and in spite of what you think of my views, you could easily try a different approach to your problems - even if if means giving something back, the fact is, your not a weak people though, you behave like animals at times...
@PaulH24752 Besides all that, we have a right to live & we ask no one for justification. I don't know from where U R, Paul, but who give U the right to criticize us from the first place? U don't live here, I'm sure that your state got issues, & that if a war broke up, your gov. would be less humane then us. Maybe we should critisize U! We, 7 milion peoples, R here, & we will continue to be here, with or without U or "Professor" Chomsky premission.
@shachar10 who gave me the right, well firstly, I am human being, secondly, I understand the difference between "right & wrong" and I also know a little of your history and whilst, I believe you have the right to live in peace, not at the expense of others.My wife has refused to go to Israel again, work it out, you kill unarmed people.Israel has a xenophobe's attitude toward the rest of the World People and at present probably represents the main risk to World stability - you simply do not care.
@PaulH24752 Well, seems like I pissed U of. Seems like U fool of propeganda stuff. Actually, nothing I will say, wll not be good, since "We R animals". U decide & U the only one whose smart & blabla bla. Got your Ego fixed? Everything ok? But U R biased, I have no hatred for U nor to anyone alse. buttom line: what U say is that Israel should'nt exist. So where 7 milion people go? & why? is that justice for U? U the one who support war crimes. R U support rockets firing at cities? Bus bombings?
@shachar10 it a shame, you felt it OK to insult my opinion at the off set, I think you are referring to your failings, not mine, my ego is fine, I do not feel the need to subjugate anyone or take what is not mine.
I don't support any type of terrorism, unlike you Israelis who seem happy to undermine the sovereignty of other Countries - you can't reverse your shit onto me, I' not up for your "transference" BS which, is what all you Israelis are about, like I said, it degrees with you lot.
"One who dies a Jew will be DAMNED." - St. Vincent Ferrer
"The Jews are ENEMIES OF GOD and foes of our holy religion." - St. Padre Pio
"Let no man think that he may for any reason whatsoever join the Masonic Sect, if he values his Catholic name and his eternal salvation as he ought to value them." - Pope Leo XIII, 1884
The New World Order is a removal of the OLD WORLD ORDER.
Rome will be destroyed on August 17, 2011 for failing to preserve the Dogma.
And for all of you guys, as a Jewish boy in Israel I've learned about the 'blind hate' that 'Jews' had in the history. It was always looked for me so unfamiliar... even not true. But now I can see it in front of my eyes.
NOW, MORE THEN EVER I KNOW - ISRAEL MUST BE EXISTED, AND ISRAEL WILL BE EXISTED FOR THE JEWISH NATION NO METER THE COST IT WILL BE - GET USE TO THAT!!!
@ISRAE4LOVE "no matter the cost", you are either very young and naive or the lessons of history have failed you, if nothing, history clearly demonstrated the failings of arrogance - for what its worth, I do not feel that "blind hate" you mention but, I do disagree with the way Israel has continuously treated the indigenous people of the Regine whilst placing the rest of the Worlds peoples at risk, by the way, the Jewish People are not the only ones to suffer at the hands of others in history.
Who need freedom American or rest of the world. If you say bad words to the president of USA no problem but if u open mouth against the criminal Zionist jews who are destroying the poor and hardworking American tax money in the name of war against terrorism u will be blame as anti-Semitism. Only Hitler type nationalist American can save USA now. In the hate of ARAB and Muslims the Zionist Jews pulling put USA in an endless war which is a big causes of hate for American all over the world.
the rise of another hitler is not too far. will US be able to save israel again from another hitler? the rise of anti-zionism in europe and america clearly indicates no.
Absolute bullshit, you 'know' what you are told! grow the fuck up. You're gonna have to look at the work of highly respected human rights authors, or better still pay a visit to Amnesty, International Criminal Court, or the UN websites, and start getting an international view rather than one that just fits what you want to believe.
Facts Israel has killed at least 10 times as many Palestinians as Palastinians have killed Israelis. Facts: Isreal is the aggressor! Facts, Israel did not even exist until the UN drew up a state border and shipped Jews there! Facts, since then Israel has embarked on a campaign of aggressive expansionism murdering and evicting Palestinians. Facts, the whole world, including Palestine reached agreement on a 2 state settlement yet US/Israel continually reject it. Facts, Isreal ignores cease fires!
@TheGodlessGuitarist Well, I'm truly sorry we succeed to save life for our citizens... Next time when Hamas man will kill a P.L.O man Israel will kill one Jew just to make you satisfied. My friend, you are just another of brain wash of hating to Israel :(
No one is denying you the right to life and state! I am pointing out that your state is gradually killing all of the Palestinians, denying them basic human needs and stealing their land. That is the reason they fight!
As for being brainwashed, I am neither Israeli nor Palestinian, nor am I of a religion. As an outside observer it is much easier for me to see the full picture than you, since I am subject to neither Palestinian or Israeli propaganda. I also check facts! Do you?
@ISRAE4LOVE "I'm truly sorry we succeed to save life for our citizens"
That just shows how disgracefully biased you are. Put yourself in their shoes for a moment. Imagine Palestine was the aggressor, was being finanicially, politically and militarily supported by the US. Imagine them periodically launching air attacks on innocent civilians, killing hundreds if not thousands. Imagine that they had built a giant wall around your state preventing you getting vital food and medical supplies!
@TheGodlessGuitarist The poor situation of Arabs existed in ALL THE ARABS WORLD. This is nothing to do with Israel. Unfortunately, there are no human/womans/gays/other rights in Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, etc... The paradox is that the Palestinians have a 'good life' comparing to they brothers around them in the middle east.
8) In fact, the conflict between us and the Arabs is a direct result of the actions your government done in the past to ensure its own interests (Sorry to be cynic but Jordan belong to the Hashams and Kuwait is not a part of Iraq ..sure...) And I've did not even started to talk about your glorious history with the Irish, and the present problem you are facing with the Scots. Or is it Israel's fault too? That what I call a big double standard.
7) You were occupied lands, countried and continents for centuries - Areas that you did not have any historical or cultural related to (we are related to Israel for more then 4000 years). You were left Africa, Asia, and of course the Middle East under a bleeding ground and scorched earth.
6) Friend, forgive me for what I'm going to tell you (I mean it, because I know this is not related to you personally) .. But .. You know, it's a bit funny, Europeans in general, and the British in particular that preach morality.
5) Also, those terrorist/fighter/what ever know that a 'death' (Jews, Arabs, they do not care) it is good for the interests of them, because the know that there will be allwys some Holy Noam and other british guys that will blame Israel for that :(
4) We are dealing here with a group of religious fanatics, who call them dieds as an 'holiest' (SHAHID)! Those terrorist/fighter/what ever are hiding within the civilian population, firing thousands of rockets into Israel. How do you expect Israel to respond after 5 years with thousands of rockets into Israel? Try to get into our shoes.
3) Also, I never heard of a group of British soldiers who tell you about their actions against the occupation in Iraq. Again, this is one of many reason I'm proud to belong to Israel. Let me tell you, I was also in the Israel army - We were never, ever (!) received a command to hurt/shoot/kill Palestinian! Never! More then that, somes of my friend even risked them lives in order to prevent harm to Palestinian civilians.
@ISRAE4LOVE You lie! that's a despicable bold faced LIE. Israeli soldiers have committed genocide on MANY occasions, some have even come forth with remorse. You're not dealing with uninformed kids here, stop lying just to win internet arguments.
@manuelturcios Well, I prefer to deal with kids from the middle east then with some one from 'Honduras' who's know nothing about the conflict between us an the 'Palestinian'. Go watch your TV, eat the shit they are giving you, and try to enjoy the commercial they are putting between story to story :) "committed genocide" this is just unbelievable...
@ISRAE4LOVE Your comment's lack of cogency and excess of pre- judgmental irrelevant crap says a lot about your person. You choose to be an ignorant idiot. TV? Ironic, it would appear that your Incompetent defense of Israel comes from years of mainstream TV indoctrination, beating the drum out of that Holocaust story every fucking day,.NEWS FLASH: not only jews suffered a holocaust, yet it's the one we are most reminded of. that self- righteous victim attitude is getting old. fucking murderers.
@ISRAE4LOVE since the days of the migration of the displaced European Jew at the end of WW2 and from the blockade of Palestine, the Israel Arm Forces have continuously committed War Crimes against the indigenous people of the Regine - the League of Nations turned a convenient blind eye to the invading force and you people have been responsible for one war after another in order to secure land that, does not belong to you, in pursuit of expansion, not dissimilar to what the Nazi did in Europe.
@ISRAE4LOVE given the fact that, some of us in the Free World do not "eat the shit" that is fed us it is also fair to point out that Israel needs to get over its 6 million lose, over 50 million died, grow up, we all suffered at the hands of the Nazi - it worth pointing out that the behaviour of Israel is akin to a dysfunctional petulant teenager who was abused as a child who has lost sight of the justification for their behaviour and, have now become the abuser in their adult life.
My friend, I'm totally with you! I think the Nazi behavior is a bad proof of inadequacy to all human kinds - for Jews/Christian/Moslem/Etc. I'm just telling you the situation here is a bit complicated then you or Noam think. Let me give you a small fact - The Israeli population are favor of Palestinian state! more then any other nation that rule this area (even Moslem reigns as the Ottoman or Jordan). For "some reason", they cannot accept even a small/little Jewish state here..:(
@ISRAE4LOVE I think overall Noam Chomsky is merely trying to give you guys a heads up, at the end of the days, I am sure that Israel, is slowly losing the empathy the World once had for its people.
It seems that as the invading force, you guys should be more circumspect in how you pursue your goals, instead of resorting to arm conflict in order to pursue expansion.
i like chomsky but i love the title "the godfather." You disobey the godfather, you sleep with the fishes.
leoluchzibritannia 1 month ago
ISREAL ILLEGALL MASSACRED 1400 TO 1600 PALESTIANS IN OPERATION CAST LED 2008 IN JUST 2 WEEKS WITH HALF BEING PALESTINIAN CHILDREN
alool12345 1 month ago
Naom chomksy is the greatest intellecutal of his time, specificially on US foreign policy, he's unbiased has made him a inspiration to many around the world. Norman filkienstein isGREAT AS WELL.
alool12345 1 month ago
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What "DISGUSTING" is that this is one of the methdes that the Germans-Nazies use in "GETHO-WARSHA" and "Hawshvitts" in Germany and I know for sure some Russians-Jews doing this horrible horrible "Electronic Weapon" and more torturing on some Targeted-Individual" that they are Jews also!
So sometime I wonder Who are really the Nazis!
SuperBingo21 2 months ago
Noam chomsky is a jew-nosed idiot, how's that?
kentuckymudbutt 2 months ago
noam chomsky is an idiot...blaming the israelis and americans who offerd so many peace offers over the years, some of them were sucsseful (jorden, egypt)...has to be really disconected to this earth, in a world were regims are allowd to kill there own people in front of the UN....the u.s is like a ray of sunshine
israeli1948 2 months ago
@israeli1948 "noam chomsky is an idiot" any one who kicks of a post with this losses any credibility .
MUDSHARK111 2 months ago
The difference between South African Apartheid and Israeli Apartheid is that the US is a very religious country. We think Israeli Apartheid is God's Will. In addition, the Israelis seem to have convinced many that giving up any speck of ground--even if it's not theirs to begin with--would be akin to appeasing Hitler, and kicking off the next holocaust.
So I think Chomsky's comparison is a bit oversimplified.
kepstein8888 4 months ago
Noam Chonsky is the proof that there can be Jews who can be unbiased when talking about Israel
rambo753 4 months ago
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you gentiles are Pathetic Always take some jew and make him god or Messiah just like the jesus and kerl marx and know this noam chomsky did you ever wondering why is this all your biggst gods and messiah and your intellectuals from right and left are jewish and you wonder how we the jews call are self the chosen people dont diss this
comment in 100 yreas from know your kids will things that holly histroy just like your Fathers Though't even the arebs belive in a jewish idea of god
ehudnold9 6 months ago 2
"The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion" is a summary of economic research done by Thomas R. Stauffer. Stauffer's summary of the research was published in the June 2003 issue of The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.
OrthodoxDarwinist 6 months ago
see one of the evil jews attack us in the video ( GM Handicap kids )
workingmen1 6 months ago
Liberal jews always trash other countries for violence and wars. When it comes down to Israel, everything is self-defense. Everything that Israel does is self-defense. Whatever.
I'm sure when UK, France, and Israel attacked Egypt, that was meant to be "self-defense" as well.
Even USA has to object to that attack.
ttiiyy 6 months ago
USSliberty
shadowofears 6 months ago
9:18 lol
dannelito92 6 months ago
@MrBloograss At least try to come up with an original insult. Quit copy pasting you sheep.
paradoxicalparabola 6 months ago
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dannelito92 7 months ago
zionist=wheel clampers!!! (they may be 0.00001% of the world population, but every one hates them, that does not make them great)
AsgherHarmonium 7 months ago
How can anyone dislike this video?
Do you have a heart?
Noam is the man.
ssj4gogetassj4 7 months ago 16
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-USS Liberty of the US navy attacked by Israeli air force and navy torpedo boats. 34 US soldiers killed, 170 severely wounded
april 12 1938 - may 3 1948 ~ British soldiers, politicians, diplomats, civilians killed and 1000's severely wounded
-British headquarters [king david hotel] bombed
-2 British sergeants kidnapped, hung on a tree in a eucalyptus grove, bodies were then booby trapped
if this is the way Israel treats it's American and British allies, i would not want to be their enemy ..
Communist2012 4 months ago
two state solution guys, two state solution
heroinhero69 7 months ago
These lyrics might well be an ode to Palestine:
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If I had lived during the second world war, I would have stood on the side of the Jewish people -- nowadays, people like the Palestinians, are the 'Jewish people' that are in need of humanity!!!
maanvol 7 months ago
'Jewish people', is not the correct term because 'Jewry', is a religion, and not 'a race'!
There are no nations in the world for a specific religion! Catholics, do not possess an own nation, neither do other religions -- so why should Jewry?
maanvol 7 months ago
"Do not panic, we are only carrying out God's work!":
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watch?v=AsB36l19MFI&feature=related
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maanvol 7 months ago
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maanvol 7 months ago
Well Skibby2005, my friend, I MUST go sleep, I'm truly sorry I'm living now, it was interesting to talk with you and I hope you learn a bit more about the situation here. Also, I AM SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH! Please do not take nothing personally!!! I know you have a good intention! I will try to back here tomorrow. Good night!
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE
Sleep well.
Unfortunately many Palestinians in the occupied territories are never able to sleep well.
My reference to genocide refers to the ongoing erosion of the Palestinian economy,destruction and confiscation of farms, restriction of fishing waters off Gaza, encroachment by settlers and harassment in every aspect of the daily lives of Palestinians. There is also, of course, the routine shelling, bombing by F16s, shooting of unarmed protesters or even children etc.
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 Many of the plstn. sleeps very well. Ask the plstn. gov. itself. Many of the children in South Israel are not, because of the rockets trauma.
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10
Rocket trauma - are you serious ?
What of the bombings by Israel with F16 fighter bombers ?
The use of Merkava battle tanks against civilian structures ?
The demolition of homes with armoured bulldozers ?
The use of depleted uranium munitions on built up areas ?
The use of white phosphorus on women and children ?
The IOF does ALL of these without any qualms
You talk of trauma - some 25% of Gaza children suffer from clinical PTSD and many more are also severely traumatised.
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@shachar10
You always mention Palestinian rockets .
These are not the modern surface-to surface missiles that Israel possesses.
They are puny homemade and generally wildly inaccurate munitions.
They are employed as one of the only means of retaliation against increasing IOF aggression.
What must they do?
Thank the IOF for murdering children in their homes, killing farmers in their fields, and shooting fisherman.
Comparing Israeli trauma is like comparing a cold with terminal lung cancer
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 What must they do? stop firing. we left the place in 2005, but 4 no reason they continue firing & kidnap IDF soldiers from inside Israel. U cannot compare F16 to Hammas rocket. It dos'nt matter the size, but its purposes. Hammas firing to hit civilians. F16 to hit Hammas. & Murdering children in their homes? Show me. I can show U the Jewish murdered children in Itamar. U full of Anti-semitic propeganda!
shachar10 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 U R twisting things. Restriction of water, & so, is because the plstn use waters, ambulances, materials & so, to manifacture rockets & bombs. Israel withdrawal from Gaza back in 2005. So why they firing? Because Hammas wish to kill every existing Jew & because his orders R from Syria & Iran. Hammas don't want peace, but to destroy all of us. Bombing by F16: bombing Hammas, which hiding behind children, & firing rockets on our children. What about them? What they have done?
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10
"Manufacture of bombs etc."
Rubbish !
You are merely spewing tired old Zionist propaganda that people in the real world are finding increasingly dubious and tiresome !
Israel steals Palestinian water to erode their economy, and force them to buy it back at inflated prices.
Oh, and also to provide illegal settlements on Palestinian land.
Water consumption by 5000 settlers in the Jordan valley is equal to 75% of that used by 2 MILLION Palestinians - about 100 times as much each !
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 NO?? So where from they got the bombs? HA? Thousends fired at Israel. Kassams, Grads, long range rockets capability, aimed at Tel Aviv, A.T missiles. From where is that come from? Did U know that when Hammas slauthgered Fatah people, the Fatah ran like rats into Erez compound, & the Idf saved them. Did U know that when plstn. injured, thery R treat in Israel hospitles? I wonder if Plstn will also be humane in the opposite, or terror is thier best.
shachar10 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE
I have , in fact studied the situation, and continue to do so.
I am not like some of the Islamic extremists who hate all Jews and want the destruction of Israel.
I do , however , feel that the occupation and suppression of Palestine is wrong - period !
Israel, through its settlements, is doing itself a great disservice.
Not only are they costly to maintain due to security etc., but they have greatly harmed Israel's image and continue to do so.
Your English is not that bad !
Skibby2005 7 months ago
And if I can tell you ignorants - Jews were always been here in Israel, a long before 1948. Please look at the general census that made by the Uthmans in Jerusalem - you will see that most of the population here were Jews from 1800 !!!!
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE
Israel wasn't even there until 1948 !
For almost 2000 years Israel did not even exist !
It was PALESTINE since 395 AD.
In 1917 only FIVE PERCENT of the population was Jewish - 95% were Muslim and Christian Palestinians.
With the establishment of Israel ( IN 1948 ! ) 55% of PALESTINE was given to Israel - although Jews constituted only 1/3 of the population and owned ONLY 6% OF THE LAND !
Get your facts and figures right.
You are the ignorant one !
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 PALESTINE? Give me just one day this land was a country or a state that called 'PALESTINE'. Just one day! Even yours Moslem brother (Uthmnas) rule this area without giving to the Arabs a state. Have you ever asked you self way??
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE
"Give me one day ..."
I am far more generous than that.
I'll give you 1600 years !
The Romans crushed Israel, chased the Jews from the land and named it Palestine in 395.
Jews were forbidden from entering Jerusalem for centuries.
The rise of the Muslim empires changed that and Jews were again permitted access !
A nice bit of historic irony considering that Israel will not allow Palestinians to return to their rightful homes after the shameful massacres of the Nakba.
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 It was never an independent country! And.. as you said, "The Romans crushed Israel, chased the Jews from the land and named it Palestine in 395". We have the right to be here a much more then the white man to be in the America.
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE
It was still Palestine and NOT israel.
The Jews from Russia , Europe, America and Africa ( the vast majority of the population ) can hardly have more right than the Palestinians who lived there for thousands of years !
The Zionist influx only started in the last century.
Before modern Israel was invented ( in 1948 ! ) the Zionists considered other options for their " homeland" eg in South America, Europe and even Africa
There were even alternative names discussed such as Judea
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 I'm not asking you to support ISRAEL! I'm just want you to know that the situation here is complected. And if you think that there are BAD and GOOD sides on that story, then please take a good Hollywood movie and leave me to handle the situation here alone.
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE
"YOUR" handling of the situation is leading to the systematic genocide of the Palestinians, so no, I would rather not leave the situation to you and your Zionist cronies
Iasrael would love to be left alone to take over all of Palestine
Fortunately many people especially in Europe are alert to this nefarious objective and are speaking out against it
Why not post on a nice safe website like " Cool facts about Israel"
They don't accept any criticism prefering to live in lala land
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 Good morning :) 'systematic genocide'??? What, you really mean that? You really think/believe that ISRAEL make a 'systematic genocide'??? How did you reach this hallucination conclusion? I am respecting your care for the Palestinian... but if you want to (help) solving the problems here, you need to know the facts, at least.
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE
"Have you ever asked yourself 'way' ?"
No, I don't believe I have and I am not sure what it means.
Prehaps you should seek the right "way" and stop supporting the brutal occupation !
Skibby2005 7 months ago
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@Skibby2005 I'm not supporting the occupation on the Palestinians! I am, as many ISRAELIS want a Palestinians state! Just ask any Arab person I he is support a JEWISH state.. maybe then you will understand who is hating under that situation.
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE
You claim that you want a Palestinian state ( ie 2 state solution ) .
Very commendable, but Israel , through its settlement policy and illegal annexation, has so fragmented Palestine that it is no more than a collection of Bantustans or ghettoes, making a viable state impossible !
Israel's hatered is evident in the daily subjugation and institutionalised humiliation of occupied Palestine evry day.
All aspects of the peoples lives are deliberately made as harsh as possible.
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 And from were did you get this wrong data that Jews were 5%??? From ASAD??? KADAFI??? Or any another dictator that rules the Arabs by the 'Hate to Israel'???
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE
The figures I gave are the true facts.
It obviously upsets your Zionist propaganda preachings, but they are the real facts nonetheless.
Unfortunately Zionist propaganda is so endemic and pervasive in Israel that it is hard to find the truth.
Fortunately not everyone is fooled.
Don't worry about Arab dictators ( many of them supported by Israel btw ) read renowned Jewish and Israeli authors like Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Gideon Levy, Shlomo Sands, Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Gideon Levy, Shlomo Sands, Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim are another reason to support ISRAEL!!! Give me one Arab man with that courage to say that the situation here is complected, as those gays say. You will not find because they are already dead :(
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE
Norman Finkelstein etc. .....
I agree that their are many free-thinking and fair-minded Jews and Israelis and I have great admiration for them.
In fact, I think they are essential to a peaceful solution.
They are unfortunately increasingly in a minority regarding Israeli policy.
Also, you miss the point, these selfsame persons strongly CONDEMN Israeli policy.
They can hardly be dismissed as crackpot Arab dictators or radical Islamist fundamentalists
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 And I have a Q for you.. please tell me why you, as a UK boy, are so interested in the situation here? There are so (REAL!) injustice around the world, many of them are the causes of the occupation your nation has made for centuries, in Africa, Asia, USA, etc.. why the hell you are so interesting in our 'Problem'. Also, and how let you think that you know a bit of the complected situation here??? I really want to know it.
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE
So now I am a "UK boy".
Neither of your epithets are entirely appropriate , but never mind.
Why am I interested in the situation ?
Simple, Israel at present has an evil regime which is perpetrating REAL ! injustice against the Palestinians on a daily basis.
It is not "your problem" btw - the Palestinians have the problem and you are the cause !
The "problem" is simple - Israel is illegally occupying Palestine and practising racism, Apartheid and genocidal policies !
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 "Israel at present has an evil regime"??? "Apartheid and genocidal policies !"??? Now let me tell you that Judaism, as Arabian is not a RACE!!! I know it sounds sexy to say that ISRAEL is an Apartheid country but this is not true!!! There are BLACK/WHITE/BROWN JEWS JUST LIKE THERE ARE BLACK/WHITE/BROWN ARABS!!! The conflict here is not based on race! but on nationality!!!! You are just another brain wash of hating to ISRAEL and this argument is a proof of that :(
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 Also, when I'm going on the buses here I'm sitting with ARABS in the bus, my mother working with Arabs, I am listing to Arab music and so on... Again, unfortunately you know nothing abut the complected situation here...
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 Also, you are more then welcome to check how many Christians left under your Moslems friends in IRAQ, THE WEST BANK, GAZA STRIP, EJYPT etc... who they are live there, what about the rights they have there and so on... after it, please compare it to the situation that Christians have in ISRAEL.
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE
You are more than welcome to check on the treatment and conditions suffered by Christian Palestinians.
Not pleasant I can assure you - they suffer as badly from Israeli brutality as their Arab neighbours !
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 - your full of crap, you have a go at others put yourself admit, Israel wasn't there until 1948.
You cover the recent history quite eloquently and, in doing so support why, you should be a Palestinian Citizen and the State of Israel is bogus.
As for the Irish & Scott issues, I couldn't agree more the English nevertheless, they are starting to Govern themselves more and more which, is more that can be said for Israel & Palestine.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 First, I think Skibby2005 is on your site :)
I know Israel was not been a state on this land before 1948 (and after 300). But you need to admit that Palestine was not been a state for one single day in all the history of this area. The name of this land was changed to 'Palestine' because of the Rome empire, after they were destroy the old Israel (yr 300 approximate).
You are not going to to give the people that live on the 'Alps' a state just because the name of that land is 'Alps'.
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE , you've sort of answered you own question re the "Alps" which seems to reflect the Israeli situation. Personally, I wish you guys would make peace, you deserve to live and feel safe in your lives but, I think you have both got so used to hating each other, its now generational and from an observer perspective seems inevitable that a major conflict in the Middle East will one day become unavoidable, you just have to read/listen to realise that people are becoming concerned.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 The main conflict/problem in the middle east is the fact that the Arabs world is not developed. There is NO Arab country with democracy or a freedom of speech, even one! IN ALL the Arabs countries there are no woman/guys/Christians/Jews/ rights. Israel is just a reason for them. Feel free to watch the TV shows the Arabs have, then compare them to the TV shows Israel have, you will see that most of the Jews are not hating Arabs, but most of the Arabs are hating Jews, unfortunately.
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE LOL. Are you serious. And so blacks, hispanics, women's, LGBT, Muslims rights are so strong here and else where in the world except in regions that are predominately Muslim or Arab??? LOL. Are you serious? The Civil Rights movement in American happened just 50 years ago!!! Just 50 years! And the country still has major racial issues. And you really need to stop defining the world by American constitutional law. What works here; doesn't work everywhere in the world.
whateverman181 6 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE From the very beginning it was called 'Canaan', and belonged to the Palestinians:
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The Zionists forced the second world war upon the world, and in doing so, condemned the holocaust upon the Jewish people... Israel, represents nothing but an American military base on Palestinian lands. Like the 'Americans' robbed the Indians of their lands -- the same principle is being applied by the Zionists on the Palestinian people...
maanvol 7 months ago
@maanvol My friend, you are living in a lala land... but if you really believe that Zionists were made the second world war + rule the economy in the world + and + and + and... so you should respect us for those abilities while we are just 0.00001 of the world :) I thought the Zionists haters are a bit more complected then that... but maybe this is good they are not...::)
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE This is not a question of hating anyone! Zionists, already rule the entire world -- why continue insisting on tormenting the Palestinians? In 1916, Germany had won the war. There was no need for a second one, and Jewry did not have had to face the Holocaust -- horrendous crime against Jewry, Gypsies, etc., committed by the very people that are betraying the Palestinians, the way they betrayed Jewry, etc. during perhaps the whole existence on this planet.
maanvol 7 months ago
@maanvol holohoax...
fuckystoat 7 months ago
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whateverman181 6 months ago
The English have done more harm than good on this planet! They have created Pakistan, Israel, etc. -- in doing so, it condemned humanity into nuclear proliferation!
maanvol 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE fuck off you jidf gimp...
fuckystoat 7 months ago
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BelfastAtheist 5 months ago
@PaulH24752 ISRAEL have the right to be existed on this land just like the Palestinians have the right to have a state (even they did not have one even when them own 'brothers' rules this area). The problem is that while ISRAEL is recognize to give the Palestinian a state, the Palestinians (and all the Arabs world) is not recognize the right of the Jews to have state here (size 0.00001 from all the Arabs area around us, that were also occupate this area in yr 600 approximate) .
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
I still do not comprehend why Israel has allowed Pakistan to become a nuclear state. Was it imposed upon Israel, by th US, to accept this? Normally, Israel does not tolerate a Muslim nation to go nuclear...
maanvol 7 months ago
@maanvol and exactly, what right has Israel or any other Country for that matter to decide, who should and should not a nuclear capability - this is where we differ, I believe in equal opportunities for all that includes "rights & freedoms" something you evidently know nothing about. We have also seen may Western Governments and more importantly, the US clearly demonstrate their double standards in relation to recent global events, which will effect you, you are all hypocrite and criminals..
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 Nuclear weapons do the existence on this planet no good. One nuclear power, is one too many! The principle of keeping nuclear proliferation at bay is in and of itself a good principle.
Please, do keep in mind that nuclear weapons are no toys...
maanvol 7 months ago
@maanvol don't patronise me, one of your guys invented the bloody thing - what would you know about principles, when was the last Israel demonstrated her solidarity with wider opinion on Palestine or kept her word on various declarations/treaties....
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 I can only tell you, that if you are an honest person, you had rather prefer a nuclear device in the hands of a stable nation, than in the hands of an unstable nation!!!
And, please, do believe me -- a world without nuclear weapons, would be the more humane society!
maanvol 7 months ago
@maanvol
You are, of course, correct in your assertion that the world would be a better place without nuclear weapons.
I hope you are not implying though that Israel is a force for stability.
It is by far the most destabilising force in the Middle East and has on several occasions initiated attacks on all its neighbours.
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@maanvol the thing is Israel has a nuclear capability and is has been shown that Israel has tried to persuade the US to nuke Iran, just as the Saudis did and, as you mention "honesty", I wander, just how much restraint Israel would show if allowed to demonstrate her true disposition, of course, the World would be a better place without them, aside from that fact, a Jew invented the bloody things, Israel is not likely to give them up any time soon, hypocritical or what, honesty, you say, please!
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 We can only hope for the best. Cheers.
maanvol 7 months ago
What exactly constitutes a stable nation? And when is a nation justified in using these weapons? There is one treaty that governs the use and proliferation of nuclear weapons and that's the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (1970), which states that all parties to the treaty agree not to gain, use & to disarm & to only harness nuclear energy for good. The U.S .is the only country in history to have used these weapons and that was against Japan in 1945, which killed over 300,000 Japanese.
whateverman181 6 months ago
Funny how people, from foreign countries, think they know best, basing on media biased reports, & are talking in slogans, that their meaning are the killing of 7 milion people. That is their "solution". Enlightenment in it's best!
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10 people from "foreign countries" can tell the different between "right & wrong" unlike yourself.
As previously mentioned, you Israelis have a way of manipulating the truth to suite your needs, the World knows about the slippery Jew. As for the 7 million, it was 6 million and over 50 million was lost in that conflict, grow up, you were not the only ones to suffer - people are getting sick of your crap, we do not have empathy for you lot anymore because, you've wasted it...
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752
"People do not have empathy for you ( Israel ) anymore ...
This is increasingly the case, but unfortunately there are many unenlightened who still do.
That Israel has cynically exploited sympathy for the holocaust is manifestly obvious.
Amazing and extremely disappointing that a nation derived from people who suffered so much themselves can now inflict their own holocaust on the Palestinians !
Read Finkelstein's " The Holocaust Industry "
Skibby2005 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 to be fair, I do not accept the holocaust as solely a Jewish affair, I always cams back to the fact that in excess 50 million died in that conflict and, yes, the European Jew were profound affected by their expreience at the hands of the Nazi but equally, I profoundly fail to understand how modern Israel appears to have learnt nothing from from their mistreatment and the impact that comes from continuously being dehumanized. It doesn't feel like they want peace.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
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whateverman181 6 months ago
@Skibby2005 Please do not love or sympathy ISRAEL because of the holocaust. It sounds sick:( BTW: The Zionism has become 60 yrs (or even more) before those dark days in Europe. Also, Jews were prayed to go back to our home land for all the history.
You know what? it sounds like you gays love to hate Israel just to clear yours pangs of conscience about the holocaust - this is nothing to do with enlightened or any care to the Palestinian.
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 hi ya, it seems that after re-reading numerous comments, it appear that I may have misunderstood your position on the Israeli/Palestinian situation - to be honest, I don't have any empathy for Israel though I have concern for people/human beings - we are all the same in that regard nevertheless, I have to agree with your analogy, I fear the people of Israel are becoming manifestly dysfunctional as a result of their views particular in relation to recent history. its pretty sad.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@Skibby2005 as you rightly point out, it is "extremely disappointing" but aside from the disregards for the Palestinians Humanity, there is also the attitude toward the more wider Global Community, you've no doubt experienced how unreasonable/warped some contributor are coupled with Netanyahu recent comments this merely serves to underpin the notion that a major conflict in the Regine is somewhat inevitable one day.
Power corrupts and absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@shachar10 funny how you Israelis can't handle the truth and when confronted with facts, you either lie or try to warp the the facts - you know, like shooting unarmed women and children - your fucking animals - you've even killed foreign nationals with peaceful intent - in other words, they were not carrying weapons - your fear of freedom for other is astounding... Hitler really did a number on you lot and in an ironic way, he has succeeded in what he set out to do, your isolation lol.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
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shachar10 7 months ago
I agree with Chomsky, the Us employs double standards and, Israel has placed herself in an impossible position, given the ignorance & arrogance of the Israeli, it is unlikely a peace will be settled - Sadly both these tribes simply hate each other and perpetual conflict is all they have to look forward to, of course with US support, Israel feels able to do as she pleases, including committing War Crimes.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 U can coontinue your lies! Israelis don't hate Palestinians. U see U don't know what's going on here? Whatever Israel do is not good. We can withdrawal to 1967, is that will change things? What will? If Israel will cease t exist? If we will be under Palestinian regime, like what's happening now in Syria??? Stop babbling & say what is the solution, 'cause instead of ridiculous criticism, U don't say nothing.
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10 your comment continuously, reinforce, your nature and, I suppose its no wander the allies wanted you lot out of Europe - you deserve to be where you are as a people, not even the Yanks could of helped you if you had tried your crap in Europe, you guys picked the weaker option but, when the Muslim World eventually come together, Israel will get bum rush lol... mostly I think you Israelis live in fear hence, your criminal behaviour.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@shachar10 I know about the migration after WW2 and your moody claim, the blockade whilst the British turned a blind eye with the endorsement of the US, the Mandate from the League of Nations, the Balfour Declaration, the 6 day War and the subsequent boundaries agreement, the formation of OPEC and the "petrodollar". The one thing that stands out, is Israelis inability to keep her word - you might not like my views but, they represent the facts that support my opinion, you are criminals.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@shachar10 you Israelis don't know shit, history is clearly written and it is most likely, Israeli will be compared to the Nazi long before the Palestinian - equally, contrary to Israeli belief, not all the Worlds Peoples are ignorant fools like yourself - you Zionist have "NO GOD" and on that basis, it is always safe to assume that people with no spiritual awareness will always be able to justify their mistreatment of others, the World will be better/safer place without your warring tribe.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 Nazis... well, let see. Palstn. snipers hit babies in their heads. many busses exploded. Hammas fire rockets at cities, in order to hit civilians. IS THAT OK WITH U? Hammas: "Jews should stay in Israel, so it would be easy to haunt them all". Syria massacering its own people. Libya, TODAY! Liba, the same. Saddam poisend his own people. I'm not saying we didn't heart innocents. But commparing us to Nazis... its not even worth reacting, actually.
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10 the thing you mentioned wouldn't be happening, if you hadn't taken the land in the first place, who fault is that, yours.
I am amazed, how you Israelis fail to understand your contribution to the situation you face..
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@shachar10 a solution you say, whats the point, you offered the Palestinians free elections and when the voted for Hamas because of their ideology, which Israel continuously uses as an excuse, your negotiators were not even smart enough to even pretend to try and get them to interact with democracy and, look how Netanyahu responded to Obama's reference to the 67 agreement recently on the World stage, how do you think he made Israel look, you'll claim what we saw was a lie and you want peace !
PaulH24752 7 months ago
Noam deserves a better font than fucking comic sans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lolmau5 7 months ago
VOTE FOR ISRAELI HADASH PARTY
RonMakassa 8 months ago
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shachar10 8 months ago
WHY is this Hate Monger still alive?
moski3 8 months ago
Chomsky is a self-hatred person. He is a Jew, who shake hands with murderers of Jews.
shachar10 8 months ago
@shachar10 The Germans, the murderers of Jews, donate over $5000 to every Israeli man women and child. Ever heard of any Israeli sending there share back?
waiotahi52 8 months ago
@waiotahi52 What? I don't understand what you are suggesting.
shachar10 8 months ago
@shachar10 You don't like this guy Chomsky because he shakes hands with murderess of Jews. The Germans killed an awful lot of Jewish people who now take money from them. A symbolic shaking the hand of the murderer
waiotahi52 8 months ago
@waiotahi52 Chomsky not recognize Israel right to exit & defence herself. This is why I don't like this guy. The Reparations Agreement between Israel and West Germany (not the Nazis) was the very least Germany could have compensate, & it was very controversial. Your coparison is not symmetrical.
shachar10 8 months ago
@shachar10 You might not like him though, in reality, he only reiterates the historical facts, the land Israel now occupies, was taken by force, fact, more importantly, Chomsky has constantly tried to illustrate the changing view of the Worlds People towards Israel more profound, is the generation of conflict Israel is responsible for, on a personal, you Israeli's seem to think that most of the Worlds Peoples are fools to be manipulated - the World is changing and time is running out for Israel.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 I've got one Q for U. When you say "taken by force", U mean 1967, or 1948?
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10 no, I mean before and whilst the British occupied Palestine - I believe the immigrant that migrated to Palestine from Europe after WW2 whilst the British turned a blind eye, are directly responsible for the generations of conflict.
I also believe, Israel was given a mandate to settle "peace" by the League of Nation but, given the support of the US, it is understandable why that was never pursued.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 Several facts: Most of Palestine was abandoned, with only small Jewish & Arabs communities. The place build-up from the swamps by Jewish immigrants. there were many pogrom of Jews by Arabs, [the known, is Hebron 1936]. Some of them immigrant as they heard of the Jewish imm'.
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10 I will not accept your notion of what is acceptable and what isn't, it is floored - firstly so what if the Arabs supported Hitler, so did others, equally, given the facts, in spite of the UN or pressure the Zionist was able to bear on the verious UN Member, the Arabs had every right to reject the UN & the migrating/immergrant Jews congrating in Palestine notion of carving up land that they had "NO LEGAL RIGHT" to do and still don't.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 Your qoutes: 1. "SO WHAT IF THE ARABS SUPPORTED HITLER". Ahhm... , 2. "I understand the difference between "right & wrong" ". R U even listening to yourself?
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10 you miss the point, yet again, two wrongs do not make a right, every Nation has its shameful moments in history, the Arabs are no different, the real trick, is to learn from your mistakes and, from where I'm sitting, you are not doing a particularly good or encouraging job of learning from past mistakes.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@shachar10 when you take a quote out of context at least, try not to come across as stupid.. the fact is my comments represent a view of the present whilst the Israeli consistently lives in the past, hence your inability to appreciate the views of others - lets have it right, the Arabs were not the only ones to support Hitler and, the World has moved on since though, you Israelis would have us believe otherwise... Can you tell the difference between "right & wrong" ?
PaulH24752 5 months ago
@PaulH24752 U R invited to visit Palestinian schools. See what they teach Pal. youngsters. They have the same Ideaology as you have: to wipe out the state of Israel. As a person who call for the extermnation of a nation, U don't tell between right & wrong. As a British person, I wonder... how's everything in the kingdom, ha? Everything peaceful, right?
shachar10 5 months ago
@shachar10
wipe out the state of Israel?
or allow Jews to wipe out the white race, the black race, and everyone?
not a hard one.
ssj4gogetassj4 5 months ago
@PaulH24752 The Zionists eccepted the "white book", while the Arabs rejected it. The Arabs supported Hitler [such as the Mufti Amin al-Husayni] & call to throw the Jews to the sea. When the UN eccepted the 2 states, the Arabs rejected it too & open a war, in order to perform a second Holocaust. There was no "Israel" during the Legue of Nations. Israel born as a result of foreign gov.'s failor to defent the Jewish people. Therefore, fighting for a place in order to survive is jusrified.
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10 its funny how you guys view your history and extremely strange how you are able to brake it into segments to justify the various stages of your occupation of Palestine. The modern day Israelis ancestors belonged in Europe and each generation of Israeli seems to forget that. whilst they continue to subjugate the indigenous people of the Regine. If anything history clearly demonstrates the fall of many draconian societies/cultures, you'll lose in the end, if you don't make an effort.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 My ancestors come from Israel. My close ancestors ran from Nazi Europe, the others ran from Iraq, after a warning of 48 hours, to leave or to be executed. & their ancestors came from what is now, Israel. This is the story of many Israelis too. Where should we leave? To Europe?? Realy? Maybe to Iraq? We see the "freedom" in those countries. Today, in Israel, they are Arab representatives. There are no Jews in the Arab gov.s. The Arab the one who need a justification, not us.
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10 I am a human being who understand the difference between "right & wrong" and, from your views, its unlikely we'll be able to hold a reasoned debate - you have confirmed, yet again, the ignorance & arrogance you Israelis apply to your problems - for what its worth, there is much my Governments has done, is doing, I am appose too.
No matter what argument you put forward, two wrongs will never equate, to a right - I will not respond to any any further comments - good luck.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 I think that U the arrogant & blind person here. U ignore the facts I brought here, not a rational being much. U want me to denounce Israel. U talk about peace but your pece is in fact the extinction of us. Your kind R the reason Israel should exist. U canno't reply to me. Not a great onour by someone like U. That will not be the matter. As long as Palestinians won't stop bullshiting & start talking with us, nothing will be matter, surely not "resoned" persons like U.
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10 of course, I arrogant, I think you people are animals...you remind me of the German Nazi..
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@shachar10 of course you ancestors came from Israel of old but, they migrated - then the Zionist returned, stole the land they occupy, forced then indigenous people of the Regine to hand over even more land and in between conflicts continuously mistreat the Palestinian Arab/Muslim - your are pretty dysfunctional really.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 & the Arabs? Not immigrants? Why U so Unilateral?"You Israelis". Is this your answer to everything? first of all, We, "The Israelis" didn't "occupy". We came to a land no one wanted. We didn't remove no one. If we did, how come there R arab vilages? Most of the land was isolated, & we bought the lands from owners. the Brits occupy it from the Turks, until 1948. So what the F R U talking about? But now U will say I'm twisting things.
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10 so your telling me it was OK for you to leave Europe and because no one wanted the land it was OK for you to go and take it - you guys have loads of resources, you could of settle the peace, then started to purchase all the land you wanted - you may of purchased the land you refer to in the first instant but, I bet you didn't tell the Palestinians at the time you planed to import Jews on mass then start to ring fence/blockade the place and then proceed to rename it, Israel ha! ha! ha!
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 Man, you know nothing about ISRAEL . Many Jews in Israel went to Israel from IRAQ (my family), IRAN, EGYPT, YAMEN and even Ethiopia... and even before the holocaust. Get back the movie you are live in that most of the Jews in Israel are European, this is just not true. Also, please learn more the situation here before you stick you nose to places you have not even been. You can also solve you badly situation with the Scots and the Irish if you feel so boring.
ISRAE4LOVE 7 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE I understand there were Jews in Palestine before you guys took over, fact is, you should all be Palestinian Citizens not Israeli, why do you find it so difficult to understand that, I can not relate to "degrees or half truths" its all you throw at me.
The bottom lime, if you claim was genuine, why are you having so many difficulties registering your claim, funny thing, two witnesses can see the same incident from different angles yet they both represent a view of the truth.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 & no. I mean, that My ancestors, maybe hard to belive, were lived in Jerusalem in the 19th century. Not so while ago. I s that history twisting also? Take of your hatred mask & look around. Reality is more complex.
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10 you clear up the ancestral issue quite well, so you ancestors did migrated to Europe and of course, I ask, what right does that give you to return and take forcibly that, your ancestors left behind ! Given the fact that, Israel has more than proven her tenacity and in spite of what you think of my views, you could easily try a different approach to your problems - even if if means giving something back, the fact is, your not a weak people though, you behave like animals at times...
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 Besides all that, we have a right to live & we ask no one for justification. I don't know from where U R, Paul, but who give U the right to criticize us from the first place? U don't live here, I'm sure that your state got issues, & that if a war broke up, your gov. would be less humane then us. Maybe we should critisize U! We, 7 milion peoples, R here, & we will continue to be here, with or without U or "Professor" Chomsky premission.
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10 who gave me the right, well firstly, I am human being, secondly, I understand the difference between "right & wrong" and I also know a little of your history and whilst, I believe you have the right to live in peace, not at the expense of others.My wife has refused to go to Israel again, work it out, you kill unarmed people.Israel has a xenophobe's attitude toward the rest of the World People and at present probably represents the main risk to World stability - you simply do not care.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
@PaulH24752 Well, seems like I pissed U of. Seems like U fool of propeganda stuff. Actually, nothing I will say, wll not be good, since "We R animals". U decide & U the only one whose smart & blabla bla. Got your Ego fixed? Everything ok? But U R biased, I have no hatred for U nor to anyone alse. buttom line: what U say is that Israel should'nt exist. So where 7 milion people go? & why? is that justice for U? U the one who support war crimes. R U support rockets firing at cities? Bus bombings?
shachar10 7 months ago
@shachar10 it a shame, you felt it OK to insult my opinion at the off set, I think you are referring to your failings, not mine, my ego is fine, I do not feel the need to subjugate anyone or take what is not mine.
I don't support any type of terrorism, unlike you Israelis who seem happy to undermine the sovereignty of other Countries - you can't reverse your shit onto me, I' not up for your "transference" BS which, is what all you Israelis are about, like I said, it degrees with you lot.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
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@PaulH24752 "you Israelis who seem happy to undermine the sovereignty of other Countries". Such as?
shachar10 7 months ago
@waiotahi52 well said lol......
PaulH24752 5 months ago
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shachar10 8 months ago
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"One who dies a Jew will be DAMNED." - St. Vincent Ferrer
"The Jews are ENEMIES OF GOD and foes of our holy religion." - St. Padre Pio
"Let no man think that he may for any reason whatsoever join the Masonic Sect, if he values his Catholic name and his eternal salvation as he ought to value them." - Pope Leo XIII, 1884
The New World Order is a removal of the OLD WORLD ORDER.
Rome will be destroyed on August 17, 2011 for failing to preserve the Dogma.
FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
fatimamovement 8 months ago
And for all of you guys, as a Jewish boy in Israel I've learned about the 'blind hate' that 'Jews' had in the history. It was always looked for me so unfamiliar... even not true. But now I can see it in front of my eyes.
NOW, MORE THEN EVER I KNOW - ISRAEL MUST BE EXISTED, AND ISRAEL WILL BE EXISTED FOR THE JEWISH NATION NO METER THE COST IT WILL BE - GET USE TO THAT!!!
ISRAE4LOVE 8 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE "no matter the cost", you are either very young and naive or the lessons of history have failed you, if nothing, history clearly demonstrated the failings of arrogance - for what its worth, I do not feel that "blind hate" you mention but, I do disagree with the way Israel has continuously treated the indigenous people of the Regine whilst placing the rest of the Worlds peoples at risk, by the way, the Jewish People are not the only ones to suffer at the hands of others in history.
PaulH24752 8 months ago
noam chomsky pwns.
derwentalia 8 months ago
wow, what a crackpot...
filefish949 8 months ago
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Who need freedom American or rest of the world. If you say bad words to the president of USA no problem but if u open mouth against the criminal Zionist jews who are destroying the poor and hardworking American tax money in the name of war against terrorism u will be blame as anti-Semitism. Only Hitler type nationalist American can save USA now. In the hate of ARAB and Muslims the Zionist Jews pulling put USA in an endless war which is a big causes of hate for American all over the world.
dpremi1126 8 months ago
the rise of another hitler is not too far. will US be able to save israel again from another hitler? the rise of anti-zionism in europe and america clearly indicates no.
salvi447 8 months ago
"I know the reality here a bit better than you"
Absolute bullshit, you 'know' what you are told! grow the fuck up. You're gonna have to look at the work of highly respected human rights authors, or better still pay a visit to Amnesty, International Criminal Court, or the UN websites, and start getting an international view rather than one that just fits what you want to believe.
TheGodlessGuitarist 8 months ago
Facts Israel has killed at least 10 times as many Palestinians as Palastinians have killed Israelis. Facts: Isreal is the aggressor! Facts, Israel did not even exist until the UN drew up a state border and shipped Jews there! Facts, since then Israel has embarked on a campaign of aggressive expansionism murdering and evicting Palestinians. Facts, the whole world, including Palestine reached agreement on a 2 state settlement yet US/Israel continually reject it. Facts, Isreal ignores cease fires!
TheGodlessGuitarist 8 months ago
@TheGodlessGuitarist Well, I'm truly sorry we succeed to save life for our citizens... Next time when Hamas man will kill a P.L.O man Israel will kill one Jew just to make you satisfied. My friend, you are just another of brain wash of hating to Israel :(
ISRAE4LOVE 8 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE
No one is denying you the right to life and state! I am pointing out that your state is gradually killing all of the Palestinians, denying them basic human needs and stealing their land. That is the reason they fight!
As for being brainwashed, I am neither Israeli nor Palestinian, nor am I of a religion. As an outside observer it is much easier for me to see the full picture than you, since I am subject to neither Palestinian or Israeli propaganda. I also check facts! Do you?
TheGodlessGuitarist 8 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE "I'm truly sorry we succeed to save life for our citizens"
That just shows how disgracefully biased you are. Put yourself in their shoes for a moment. Imagine Palestine was the aggressor, was being finanicially, politically and militarily supported by the US. Imagine them periodically launching air attacks on innocent civilians, killing hundreds if not thousands. Imagine that they had built a giant wall around your state preventing you getting vital food and medical supplies!
TheGodlessGuitarist 8 months ago
@TheGodlessGuitarist The poor situation of Arabs existed in ALL THE ARABS WORLD. This is nothing to do with Israel. Unfortunately, there are no human/womans/gays/other rights in Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, etc... The paradox is that the Palestinians have a 'good life' comparing to they brothers around them in the middle east.
ISRAE4LOVE 8 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE Nothing to do with Israel? You know nothing but proudly act like you know all you nee to know.
Here, Google "Israel War Crimes"
or for recent news:
Google "Former Israeli soldiers break the silence on military violations"
Learn something for pity's sake!
TheGodlessGuitarist 8 months ago
@TheGodlessGuitarist 10) I hope we both have a good day :)
ISRAE4LOVE 8 months ago
@TheGodlessGuitarist
9) Sorry for my bad english.
ISRAE4LOVE 8 months ago
@TheGodlessGuitarist
8) In fact, the conflict between us and the Arabs is a direct result of the actions your government done in the past to ensure its own interests (Sorry to be cynic but Jordan belong to the Hashams and Kuwait is not a part of Iraq ..sure...) And I've did not even started to talk about your glorious history with the Irish, and the present problem you are facing with the Scots. Or is it Israel's fault too? That what I call a big double standard.
ISRAE4LOVE 8 months ago
@TheGodlessGuitarist
7) You were occupied lands, countried and continents for centuries - Areas that you did not have any historical or cultural related to (we are related to Israel for more then 4000 years). You were left Africa, Asia, and of course the Middle East under a bleeding ground and scorched earth.
ISRAE4LOVE 8 months ago
@TheGodlessGuitarist
6) Friend, forgive me for what I'm going to tell you (I mean it, because I know this is not related to you personally) .. But .. You know, it's a bit funny, Europeans in general, and the British in particular that preach morality.
ISRAE4LOVE 8 months ago
@TheGodlessGuitarist
5) Also, those terrorist/fighter/what ever know that a 'death' (Jews, Arabs, they do not care) it is good for the interests of them, because the know that there will be allwys some Holy Noam and other british guys that will blame Israel for that :(
ISRAE4LOVE 8 months ago
@TheGodlessGuitarist
4) We are dealing here with a group of religious fanatics, who call them dieds as an 'holiest' (SHAHID)! Those terrorist/fighter/what ever are hiding within the civilian population, firing thousands of rockets into Israel. How do you expect Israel to respond after 5 years with thousands of rockets into Israel? Try to get into our shoes.
ISRAE4LOVE 8 months ago
@TheGodlessGuitarist
3) Also, I never heard of a group of British soldiers who tell you about their actions against the occupation in Iraq. Again, this is one of many reason I'm proud to belong to Israel. Let me tell you, I was also in the Israel army - We were never, ever (!) received a command to hurt/shoot/kill Palestinian! Never! More then that, somes of my friend even risked them lives in order to prevent harm to Palestinian civilians.
ISRAE4LOVE 8 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE You lie! that's a despicable bold faced LIE. Israeli soldiers have committed genocide on MANY occasions, some have even come forth with remorse. You're not dealing with uninformed kids here, stop lying just to win internet arguments.
manuelturcios 8 months ago
@manuelturcios Well, I prefer to deal with kids from the middle east then with some one from 'Honduras' who's know nothing about the conflict between us an the 'Palestinian'. Go watch your TV, eat the shit they are giving you, and try to enjoy the commercial they are putting between story to story :) "committed genocide" this is just unbelievable...
ISRAE4LOVE 8 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE Your comment's lack of cogency and excess of pre- judgmental irrelevant crap says a lot about your person. You choose to be an ignorant idiot. TV? Ironic, it would appear that your Incompetent defense of Israel comes from years of mainstream TV indoctrination, beating the drum out of that Holocaust story every fucking day,.NEWS FLASH: not only jews suffered a holocaust, yet it's the one we are most reminded of. that self- righteous victim attitude is getting old. fucking murderers.
manuelturcios 8 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE since the days of the migration of the displaced European Jew at the end of WW2 and from the blockade of Palestine, the Israel Arm Forces have continuously committed War Crimes against the indigenous people of the Regine - the League of Nations turned a convenient blind eye to the invading force and you people have been responsible for one war after another in order to secure land that, does not belong to you, in pursuit of expansion, not dissimilar to what the Nazi did in Europe.
PaulH24752 8 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE given the fact that, some of us in the Free World do not "eat the shit" that is fed us it is also fair to point out that Israel needs to get over its 6 million lose, over 50 million died, grow up, we all suffered at the hands of the Nazi - it worth pointing out that the behaviour of Israel is akin to a dysfunctional petulant teenager who was abused as a child who has lost sight of the justification for their behaviour and, have now become the abuser in their adult life.
PaulH24752 8 months ago
@PaulH24752
My friend, I'm totally with you! I think the Nazi behavior is a bad proof of inadequacy to all human kinds - for Jews/Christian/Moslem/Etc. I'm just telling you the situation here is a bit complicated then you or Noam think. Let me give you a small fact - The Israeli population are favor of Palestinian state! more then any other nation that rule this area (even Moslem reigns as the Ottoman or Jordan). For "some reason", they cannot accept even a small/little Jewish state here..:(
ISRAE4LOVE 8 months ago
@ISRAE4LOVE I think overall Noam Chomsky is merely trying to give you guys a heads up, at the end of the days, I am sure that Israel, is slowly losing the empathy the World once had for its people.
It seems that as the invading force, you guys should be more circumspect in how you pursue your goals, instead of resorting to arm conflict in order to pursue expansion.
As you say, "it's complicated".....
PaulH24752 8 months ago