go define US citizen,it's not what you think it is. examine the Organic act of 1871 to see some truth about corporations de facto vs Republic De Jure. Jefferson was not a US citizen nor was Washington,Adams,Franklin,Rodgers,Hancock,Hamilton et.al.
They were citizens of the republic of their respective state. The states were foreign countries united under a national common law trust called the Constitution FOR the united states of America. The People are kings and queens w/o subjects.
@borderraven So Mittens is an illegal alien now, too? LOL.
Can you provide any independent documentation that states that Mittens is NOT an American citizen?
And can you explain how millions of anchor babies are getting American birth certificates which in turn gets them Social Security numbers and American passports if we're all still governed by this pre-14th and pre-WKA Act of Congress?
And of course the 14th makes no mention of a child's parents, but you already knew that.
@DoubleTalkingJive, That's not my stance. Mitt Romney is a natural born citizen. His father was born in Mexico, a US Citizen.
Millions of ABs are getting benefits of US citizenship, due to misinterpretation of WKA, based on misinterpretation of Minor, which leads to misinterpretation and misapplication of the 14th.
The 14th, mentions "jurisdiction". What is "jurisdiction" and can it be affected by treaty?
@borderraven So that's what it all comes down, huh? You've got a 113-year-old Supreme Court Case, and everybody seems to be fucking up its intended meaning, alongside another Supreme Court case about suffrage and a 143-year-old Constitutional Amendment. Everybody except you, right? Lucky for those anchor babies that everybody in the SSA and Passport offices are retards, right?
To answer your question, if you're in this country you're subject to its jurisdiction. Only diplomats are exempt.
@DoubleTalkingJive, What is it that gives diplomats, embassies and consulates permission to be in the USA and vice versa gives the US to do the same in other countries? It's a treaty, that establishes diplomatic relations, and delegates foreign >jurisdiction< over aliens, who are here under visas or illegally. A child born in "consular jurisdiction" is an alien, not US.
@borderraven Yep. That last sentence you wrote is the same shit you wrote on 50 other birther videos at least 2-3 years ago. It wasn't true then and it still isn't.
Good luck deporting all those anchor babies (or children born to immigrants who aren't yet citizens, like Bobby Jindal was)!
And again I ask, can you provide ONE example of an American-born child being denied citizenship because his parents were foreigners or illegals??
@DoubleTalkingJive, May I assume by "immigrants" you mean people who carry a valid passport, a visa and obey laws? We don't need to deport the anchor babies, we don't separate families, they'll go with their parents.
We'll revise US Codes and avoid an amendment. The error will be corrected.
Jindal is a US citizen, like Wng Kim Ark, but Jindal is not nbc, so he cannot be President.
To answer your question, it is in the works. Study diplomatic treaties and foreign nationality laws.
Let me get this straight: You just cited an Act of Congress that seemingly backs up your argument that only children born to American citizens can be considered citizens themselves...
....Yet after 155 YEARS of the Act being on the books you can't cite a SINGLE goddamned example of an American-born child being denied citizenship per that Act?
@borderraven No shit it was repealed. Cable Act was repealed as well.
But that didn't stop you from citing it in your original reply (along side MvH and PvE) to somehow prove that Obama is not an NBC and thus ineligible to be President.
Like most Birthers, you love to cite repealed laws to discredit a sitting President.
Act XXII of Congress 1855, did not affect Obama's eligibility or ineligibility, since he was born in 1961.
MvH did not construe 14th to determine Minor's citizenship, but WKA relied on the 14th, and PvE followed logic of MvH, since Elg' mother got citizenship under Act XXII 1855, on naturalization of Mr Elg, in 1906. Marie Elg was born nbc to 2 US citizens. Obama, relied on 14th for US citizenship, BNA defeats him, cont'd
However, research is pending, so I'll have to hold off discussion for now. We are looking into good faith effort, to try to find proof of Obama's eligibility, and exhaust possibilities. Stay tuned.
@borderraven Correct it didn't affect his eligibility, hence there was no reason for you to even cite it in the first place.
Justice Gray, in the WKA decision, defined TWO types of citizenship: Natural-born (born here) and Naturalized (not born here). Clearly you don't agree, but that's how natural-born citizenship has been interrupted.
Not a single law or Supreme Court decision since WKA has defined natural-born citizenship the way you want it to. Plus we don't have ex post facto laws.
LOL! Oh dear. You're the same guy who's been commenting on every birther video on Youtube for the past three years..and has been proven wrong again and again and again.
Yet here you are, peddling the same debunked crap.
Do yourself a favor and read the Wong Kim Ark decision. But I already told you to do that three years ago and you either ignored me or don't read anything that's not already cherry-picked and defined for you.
@DoubleTalkingJive, Wong Kim Ark isn't reliable in proving POTUS eligibility. Go back to Minor v Happersett 1874, and pay attention to prepositions "in" and "of", as in ... "it was never doubted that all children born in [jus soli] a country of [jus sanguinis] parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens," ...
@borderraven Lol oh Raven you'll never change. You dismiss WKA as "unreliable" but then you quote MvH which was a case about SUFFRAGE. And like all birthers you quote that setence over and over but always chop off the next sentence: "Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts.. for the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts." Oops!
There was never a doubt who were native born or natural born, but there is doubt about those born out of the US, meaning a child born abroad to two US citizens, is a US Citizen, but maybe not nbc.
@borderraven You need to read it a few more times. The sentence I quoted did NOT refer to children born abroad. It referred to children born HERE without respect to where the child's parents are from. It acknolwedged the doubts but did NOT state (as you seem to pretend the Supreme Court decision does) that only children born to American citizens can be considered American citizens themselves.
PLEASE PRINT THE DOCUMENT BELOW AND MAIL IT TO YOUR STATE'S GOVERNOR; AS QUO WARRANTO IS THE ONLY WAY TO UNSEAT A USURPER, MERELY PRETENDING TO BE OUR PRESIDENT.
.scribd.com/doc/63871907/Information-in-the-Nature-of-Quo-Warranto-AnyGOV-V3 (add the internet heading)
The current unconstitutional usurper can not be impeached, because, as the kenyan Cockroach knows, all too well, "Impeachment Proceedings" would lend credence to his (non constitutional) presidency. He wants to be OUR dictator.
@helent6, Please download the recent information at scribd*com/doc/62590561/Information-in-the-Nature-of-Quo-Warranto-AnyGOV
Send it to your governor via CERTIFIED MAIL RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED, and save the receipts and responses as evidence for a future law suit, should Obama run on a ballot in a presidential election.
@borderraven, tks for the link. How can anyone find out if anybody is paying attention to this? Does anyone know? All know the election is just around the corner...sheesh.. and.what is wrong with the thumbs up or down on this link, or is it my aol? Also, a judge KNOWINGLY disregards the breaking of the law, AND CONDONES IT..can be removed, PERIOD! This judge KNOWS..we have turned into a bunch of sniveling cowards...just plain sniveling COWARDS! Where is America's BACK BONE? JUST AMAZING!
@whitechicuva, The IINOQW, I propose, is a "just do it" thing. It can take 90-days before they get back to you, but I sent mine by CERTIFIED MAIL RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED and by US MAIL OVERNIGHT EXPRESS($22). It is an URGENT matter, so I wanted to instill a sense of urgency. It got there in 24-HRs, and I have the receipts. They are now under misprision to act. I'd like them to see hundreds of the informations. Every governor, every state.
Send it to your governor via CERTIFIED MAIL RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED, and save the receipts and responses as evidence for a future law suit, should Obama run on a ballot in a presidential election.
go define US citizen,it's not what you think it is. examine the Organic act of 1871 to see some truth about corporations de facto vs Republic De Jure. Jefferson was not a US citizen nor was Washington,Adams,Franklin,Rodgers,Hancock,Hamilton et.al.
They were citizens of the republic of their respective state. The states were foreign countries united under a national common law trust called the Constitution FOR the united states of America. The People are kings and queens w/o subjects.
justaman6972 3 months ago
/watch?v=hBLA2NdQZoM
borderraven 3 months ago
And please provide me ONE example of an American-born child, for instance an anchor baby, being denied citizenship as per Act XXII of Congress.
DoubleTalkingJive 3 months ago
@DoubleTalkingJive, Act XXII of Congress 1855 to 1922, affected Perkins v Elg and Mitt Romney.
Children born of one alien parent in the US, fail Article 2 eligibility, and when born of two aliens fail 14th Amendment citizenship.
borderraven 3 months ago
@borderraven So Mittens is an illegal alien now, too? LOL.
Can you provide any independent documentation that states that Mittens is NOT an American citizen?
And can you explain how millions of anchor babies are getting American birth certificates which in turn gets them Social Security numbers and American passports if we're all still governed by this pre-14th and pre-WKA Act of Congress?
And of course the 14th makes no mention of a child's parents, but you already knew that.
DoubleTalkingJive 3 months ago
@DoubleTalkingJive, That's not my stance. Mitt Romney is a natural born citizen. His father was born in Mexico, a US Citizen.
Millions of ABs are getting benefits of US citizenship, due to misinterpretation of WKA, based on misinterpretation of Minor, which leads to misinterpretation and misapplication of the 14th.
The 14th, mentions "jurisdiction". What is "jurisdiction" and can it be affected by treaty?
borderraven 3 months ago
@borderraven So that's what it all comes down, huh? You've got a 113-year-old Supreme Court Case, and everybody seems to be fucking up its intended meaning, alongside another Supreme Court case about suffrage and a 143-year-old Constitutional Amendment. Everybody except you, right? Lucky for those anchor babies that everybody in the SSA and Passport offices are retards, right?
To answer your question, if you're in this country you're subject to its jurisdiction. Only diplomats are exempt.
DoubleTalkingJive 3 months ago
@DoubleTalkingJive, What is it that gives diplomats, embassies and consulates permission to be in the USA and vice versa gives the US to do the same in other countries? It's a treaty, that establishes diplomatic relations, and delegates foreign >jurisdiction< over aliens, who are here under visas or illegally. A child born in "consular jurisdiction" is an alien, not US.
borderraven 3 months ago
@borderraven Yep. That last sentence you wrote is the same shit you wrote on 50 other birther videos at least 2-3 years ago. It wasn't true then and it still isn't.
Good luck deporting all those anchor babies (or children born to immigrants who aren't yet citizens, like Bobby Jindal was)!
And again I ask, can you provide ONE example of an American-born child being denied citizenship because his parents were foreigners or illegals??
DoubleTalkingJive 3 months ago
@DoubleTalkingJive, May I assume by "immigrants" you mean people who carry a valid passport, a visa and obey laws? We don't need to deport the anchor babies, we don't separate families, they'll go with their parents.
We'll revise US Codes and avoid an amendment. The error will be corrected.
Jindal is a US citizen, like Wng Kim Ark, but Jindal is not nbc, so he cannot be President.
To answer your question, it is in the works. Study diplomatic treaties and foreign nationality laws.
borderraven 3 months ago
@borderraven In the works?!
Let me get this straight: You just cited an Act of Congress that seemingly backs up your argument that only children born to American citizens can be considered citizens themselves...
....Yet after 155 YEARS of the Act being on the books you can't cite a SINGLE goddamned example of an American-born child being denied citizenship per that Act?
Not even one?
DoubleTalkingJive 3 months ago
@DoubleTalkingJive, Act XXII of Congress 1855 was repealed in 1922 by the Cable Act.
The act only granted citizenship, to those qualified under it.
Do you need to see it?
I put it in scribd*com/doc/64263111/Glossary-V3
It had to be repealed, as it would have defeated US sovereignty.
borderraven 3 months ago
@borderraven No shit it was repealed. Cable Act was repealed as well.
But that didn't stop you from citing it in your original reply (along side MvH and PvE) to somehow prove that Obama is not an NBC and thus ineligible to be President.
Like most Birthers, you love to cite repealed laws to discredit a sitting President.
DoubleTalkingJive 3 months ago
@DoubleTalkingJive, Are speed reading or letting it sink in?
Act XXII of Congress 1855, did not affect Obama's eligibility or ineligibility, since he was born in 1961.
MvH did not construe 14th to determine Minor's citizenship, but WKA relied on the 14th, and PvE followed logic of MvH, since Elg' mother got citizenship under Act XXII 1855, on naturalization of Mr Elg, in 1906. Marie Elg was born nbc to 2 US citizens. Obama, relied on 14th for US citizenship, BNA defeats him, cont'd
borderraven 3 months ago
@borderraven cont'd
However, research is pending, so I'll have to hold off discussion for now. We are looking into good faith effort, to try to find proof of Obama's eligibility, and exhaust possibilities. Stay tuned.
borderraven 3 months ago
@borderraven Correct it didn't affect his eligibility, hence there was no reason for you to even cite it in the first place.
Justice Gray, in the WKA decision, defined TWO types of citizenship: Natural-born (born here) and Naturalized (not born here). Clearly you don't agree, but that's how natural-born citizenship has been interrupted.
Not a single law or Supreme Court decision since WKA has defined natural-born citizenship the way you want it to. Plus we don't have ex post facto laws.
DoubleTalkingJive 3 months ago
LOL! Oh dear. You're the same guy who's been commenting on every birther video on Youtube for the past three years..and has been proven wrong again and again and again.
Yet here you are, peddling the same debunked crap.
Do yourself a favor and read the Wong Kim Ark decision. But I already told you to do that three years ago and you either ignored me or don't read anything that's not already cherry-picked and defined for you.
...Not gonana hold my breath.
DoubleTalkingJive 3 months ago
@DoubleTalkingJive, Wong Kim Ark isn't reliable in proving POTUS eligibility. Go back to Minor v Happersett 1874, and pay attention to prepositions "in" and "of", as in ... "it was never doubted that all children born in [jus soli] a country of [jus sanguinis] parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens," ...
Next read
Act XXII of Congress Feb 10, 1855
Perkins v Elg 1939, Fifth Section
borderraven 3 months ago
@borderraven Lol oh Raven you'll never change. You dismiss WKA as "unreliable" but then you quote MvH which was a case about SUFFRAGE. And like all birthers you quote that setence over and over but always chop off the next sentence: "Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts.. for the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts." Oops!
DoubleTalkingJive 3 months ago
@DoubleTalkingJive, Read the whole quote a few times over.
There was never a doubt who were native born or natural born, but there is doubt about those born out of the US, meaning a child born abroad to two US citizens, is a US Citizen, but maybe not nbc.
borderraven 3 months ago
@borderraven You need to read it a few more times. The sentence I quoted did NOT refer to children born abroad. It referred to children born HERE without respect to where the child's parents are from. It acknolwedged the doubts but did NOT state (as you seem to pretend the Supreme Court decision does) that only children born to American citizens can be considered American citizens themselves.
DoubleTalkingJive 3 months ago
PLEASE PRINT THE DOCUMENT BELOW AND MAIL IT TO YOUR STATE'S GOVERNOR; AS QUO WARRANTO IS THE ONLY WAY TO UNSEAT A USURPER, MERELY PRETENDING TO BE OUR PRESIDENT.
.scribd.com/doc/63871907/Information-in-the-Nature-of-Quo-Warranto-AnyGOV-V3 (add the internet heading)
The current unconstitutional usurper can not be impeached, because, as the kenyan Cockroach knows, all too well, "Impeachment Proceedings" would lend credence to his (non constitutional) presidency. He wants to be OUR dictator.
Cliffy4469 3 months ago
Is this all? My God the man is an illegial, and prez to boot...and this is all the response? I am shocked, 456 views, and only 5 responses..WTF
whitechicuva 5 months ago
How can we take care of this? Where do we go? No one is going to listen to me! Why isn't it already done?
helent6 6 months ago
@helent6, Please download the recent information at scribd*com/doc/62590561/Information-in-the-Nature-of-Quo-Warranto-AnyGOV
Send it to your governor via CERTIFIED MAIL RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED, and save the receipts and responses as evidence for a future law suit, should Obama run on a ballot in a presidential election.
borderraven 6 months ago
@borderraven, tks for the link. How can anyone find out if anybody is paying attention to this? Does anyone know? All know the election is just around the corner...sheesh.. and.what is wrong with the thumbs up or down on this link, or is it my aol? Also, a judge KNOWINGLY disregards the breaking of the law, AND CONDONES IT..can be removed, PERIOD! This judge KNOWS..we have turned into a bunch of sniveling cowards...just plain sniveling COWARDS! Where is America's BACK BONE? JUST AMAZING!
whitechicuva 5 months ago
@whitechicuva, The IINOQW, I propose, is a "just do it" thing. It can take 90-days before they get back to you, but I sent mine by CERTIFIED MAIL RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED and by US MAIL OVERNIGHT EXPRESS($22). It is an URGENT matter, so I wanted to instill a sense of urgency. It got there in 24-HRs, and I have the receipts. They are now under misprision to act. I'd like them to see hundreds of the informations. Every governor, every state.
borderraven 5 months ago
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@whitechicuva Just see w ww.thereligionofpeace[.]com
simba1936 5 months ago
How can we take care of this? Where do we go? No one is going to listen to me!
helent6 6 months ago
Got a link to that letter, Borderraven (and THANKS!)
graveseeker1 6 months ago
@graveseeker1 see new letter for governor at
scribd*com/doc/62590561/Information-in-the-Nature-of-Quo-Warranto-AnyGOV
Send it to your governor via CERTIFIED MAIL RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED, and save the receipts and responses as evidence for a future law suit, should Obama run on a ballot in a presidential election.
borderraven 6 months ago