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[themaniusedtob]

people really shouldnt clap when that bold whore speaks... she just says everything she has heard without attaching logic... this is why some men invented the term fembot

[brifitz1980]

Personally I'd like to see an advocate of gay marriage and gay rights on this panel. BTW I am a supporter of gay marriage. But biologically a gay couple can not have children just between the partners, that's just a biological fact. If the courts rule that this guy has to pay the mother, in spite of their contract than lesbian couples all across this nation can forget about having a close male friend or family member agree to be their sperm doner.

[brifitz1980]

This is opening a big can of worms, even if you take the homosexuality out of it. What if a guy agrees to be a sperm doner to a brother or a good friend who's infernal, because the couple would rather it comes from a family member, rather than a random profile from a sperm bank. Is he legally accountable now. Also is the woman just looking for child support. How about shared custody, he takes the kids one week, she takes them the other week; how would she feel about that?

[YallSuckTheBig1]

What's at issue here is the word "Contract" Both sides agree that there was one. But as soon as it (the contract) no longer served the mothers' "wants" voids that contract and seeks a defacto replacement that puts the sperm-doaner/father at extreme financial-legal disadvantage. This also dosen't speak well of the Gay Marriage that preceaded this. Why was the other "gay female partner" not persued for support ? If attorney Brickman says the original contract is "not-enforcable" Then nothing is !

[AzuMao]

Where's she live? It's legal to euthanize these kind of people, right? If it's not, it should be.

[bigroh12]

get the hell out of here this is bullshit are u serious..? the world is coming to an end wow

[Here2QuestionYou]

Sperm donors aren't supposed to see their damn kids, if he's going to come around and get the kids emotionally attached to him and put on contract he wants to be their role model aka father he should of thought about the fact that he is being a role model to his own kids and thus being a father to the kids instead of just a sperm doner.

He simply wanted to be a dad without shelling out any money if I were the judge he'd pay.

[motleydrew]

Really? So it's okay to donate the sperm and make a baby without being financially liable, but if you want to also give and receive love, you have to pay for it? The cost of the child comes from the creation of the child, and as a sperm donor, all agree we are on the same page there. The child does not generate more costs because they are loved loved, but the love is what he is being charged for; not the sperm donation.

[Here2QuestionYou]

Yes it's ok to donate sperm and not be financially liable.

Have you ever heard the phrase, 'everyone doesn't make a good parent, 'just because you can have kids doesn't mean that you should', etc etc?

Why do you think people have their kids taken away? Because they're not being a good parent or they're not in the kids lives. This man is in his kids life and a good parent, why shouldn't he beheld responsible when it's HIS kid?

[Verdis1]

The black woman, and I'm black by the way, is the exact reason why black men walk away from their kids. She's saying that he gets the "honor" to be a father, as if the mom is doing him a favor by letting him see the kid. All she's saying he "he's gotta pay, pay, pay". And then she says his "intent is to be a father so he's got to pay". If he had walked away then she'd be bitching about that. This is why I don't trust them...

[KillaHeadGame]

Wow someone is bitter! LOL Please don't generalize all Black Women b/c not all of us act like that.

[clevelandphil]

Why doesn't the non custodial lesbian pay child support?

[KillaHeadGame]

That's what I was thinking!

[telesniper2]

Great, just keep on setting legal precedent that says your state totally ignores the obligations of parties under contract law. The only natural consequence of this is people will divest economically from your state since they cannot depend on a stable and rational legal system to protect their property rights (which is the main issue at hand here)

[nytique]

OK, I'm all for a male taking his part of the responsibility for a child he helped bring into this world...

But if you go to a sperm bank or donor then you get just that... a donor! You don't want them in the kid's life! When you go that route you just want that child sired and nothing more, no frills, no strings. Are blood or kidney donors responsible for checking on/taking care of the people they donated to? Are egg donors and surrogates? NO... they did YOU a favor! COME ON people!

[mdyyyy]

He should definately fight for custody and demand child support from both women!

[tunnelight]

Amen! Obviously those two lesbians aren't fit to be parents!

[MrCov859]

thats why i got mine and i took her ass to court, and won

[Tiye20]

maybe she wasnt fit to be a mother but i disagree with any man not being responsible for their children and leaving women to be the only one responsible

[MrCov859]

in that case you may not have to pay but you should cause you are already in there life anyway but that bych wrong for takin you court cuz he stuck with the contract so a contract dnt mean shyt anymore

[jayevans20]

I think we guys should hold a million man march against child support laws.

[tunnelight]

I'll be right there with you brother!

[mdyyyy]

I married and love my wife and kids but I would support some marches... Especially one against this ruling which sets an aweful precedence. Obviously a man "role model" that is old enough to be the parent is going to appear to the child as a father figure regardless of who's the paternal father. If he referred to himself in front of the child as being his dad/father then he breached the contract of being mearly a "role model" and instead became a father. If not then the other dyke should pay.

[757mommy]

what if the tables were turned? a female was a surrogate for a two married men and they get divorced... would she b obligated to pay child support? the justice system is so fuk'd up...

[757mommy]

okay this is my thing... THIS DUDE IS A DAMN DONOR. Hello, hint hint, donor! What if they never met and they just got sperm from a ANONYMOUS SPERM BANK then would would she leech off of? Damn dude, I feel really bad for him. This should have been the solution, whoever does not have physical custody should have been made to pay support! This is just wrong. The lesbian couple agreed to having a baby they should b responsible of paying support also.

[ananng1]

the way i see it is the court shouldn't make him pay for back child support because it's inconclusive of how much he's been investing in those kids. BUT he should pay child support for the simple fact that he is in the kid's lives. Donors are donors. Fathers are fathers.

[tunnelight]

A contract is a contract, unless it is signed by a woman.

[avwhite]

Ouch.

[Verdis1]

This is exactly why guys should not trust women, EVER.

[tunnelight]

or pussy-whipped men.

[prettieflowers4]

This was trickery.

[DoNotTryIt]

Well, Gays want to be married. This means when they break up they can't just "leave" they must DIVORCE. And if they have a child, then the "main wage earner" will be the one responsible for child support and the "main custodian" will receive the child support. Probably won't matter who donated the sperm or egg. Legally they'll be responsible for the child together. Problem in this case, there was no official paperwork documentation of a marriage or corporation between the two women.

[tunnelight]

Obviously a contract means NOTHING in this example, so why would a contract between two gays matter? If they use a male donor, all they have to do is sue him for support and they're free and clear.

[4nathaniel]

wtf

[glodene]

This is just a cautionary example that Tom Leykis has been warning men about for the past few years, in regards to donating your sperm to clinics - Don't! Tom has prophesized that it will be just a matter of time before lawyers find some loop hole to negate the contract absolving donators of their financial responsibility regarding the child. In this day and age, men's sperm is nothing more than little ATM Cards.

[soulsista3301]

I'm a woman, and I think this chick needs her ass kicked. She knows that this is wrong.

[sweetiefromthed]

that,s bull, a contract is a contract. you cant punish someone for being better at something than they were supposed to.

[cianna27]

i dont think it right alot of people cant have childre because of they're sexual orientation and if a man gives his sperm so that someone else can have a child that a great thing he did it for them and if he's they're that should be enough

[reena825]

firstly i am on my sister's youtube commenting so this reflects her in no way !! now how am i a racist? that's completely outta line and far from the truth i am merely responding to someone so please don't jump into a fire without knowing what your talking about !! and how am i trying to rub it in the face of "white Americans?" your simply singling yourself out hun .. r u a RACIST? because that's who i am referring to! and what do you mean obama doesnt need my kinda support he needs us all !

[DamianBCollins]

This is bullshit, the man shouldn't pay for a child if he is a donor.

[Steff4269]

SMH...

[nikbeezy]

why wont she get child support from the woman she was sleeping with if i was him i would seek sole custody two women shouldnt be raising kids anyway she seeking support from him just shows parents should have a mother and a father

[poloboy]

your comment is right on point

[Starrlight00]

I maybe mistaking, but isn't there a contract that the men sign when they donate that clears them from this kind of greediness?

[Starrlight00]

Now, both parties have a point. If I go and get a sperm donor, chances are I will never know who he is and he will never see the child. Thank you to those men who give people a chance to have a child who can't concieve. That means he is not liable to pay for support. However, we meet and he wants to take an active part, then yes he is an active dad, however, I am not stingy, and I am married, he should not have to pay. A little help now and then is great, but not to take him to court.

[liciousazz]

i thought since the court said "he has takin a n active role in raising the children he is liable in for child support" than if he is TAKING care of the kids than i dnt think he need to PAY? n also they had a contact...that says he would be a sperm donor and a role model .. but a father is role model too...but anywayz the whole thing is MESSED up!!

[StreetSojah]

the black lady is contradicting herself...first she said we shouldn't use the term "pay" because raising a child isnt paying....then later on she was like...he gets to be the father therefore he has to pay child support

[nellshay]

i am a woman and this is wrong. He helped a friend out and the friend she did not held up to her end of the contract. I have people outside the family that has helped in my own upbrining are they resp for child support to

[tunnelight]

Just like a woman, hearing only what you want to hear. The contract should be binding. The fact that he went above and beyond by giving more than he agreed to should be appreciated by the woman, not penalized because she thinks he looks "too happy" because he's doing more than he agreed to. The women wanted the children, so they talked him into helping them by allowing him to be a part of their lives. The women should both pay. Any thing the man does after the contract is IN ADDITION TO...

[tunnelight]

Yeah, men are responsible for a lot of bad things in this world, like allowing women to vote, allowing them to kill millions of our unborn children, allowing them to break contracts, allowing them to prostitute themselves and spread disease, fighting and dying in wars to protect them. Yes, men are stupid. If they ever become as smart as women and learn to manipulate them in the ways that they manipulate us, the world will be a much better place.

There are plenty of women who want to use me.

[insdel2004]

Yea he was stupid. He trusted that a woman would abide by a legally binding contract that she signed.  That's what happens when you trust women.

[Hulkmania316]

BrokenSilence08, women don't need to rob banks or to kidnap, they have men who do it for them.

Wars have also been started by women, war is a defect of the human race.

Rape is something very rare, but feminist organizations need this rape-histeria to have power.

Men actually invent most of the things in the human race. There should be male gratitude in the western world.

The world is falling apart because of the human race, men and women.

Lets respect and honor each other for a better world.

[bklyngirl212]

tunnelight dont you ever mention Islam if you are trying to pervert it

[tunnelight]

haha, try talking to one of your Islamic men that way...lol You know what's up.

[tunnelight]

"bklyngirl212" Here is a message I found from you in my mailbox:

"Subject: Umm Aliyah

I dont have a man, I have a husband. I wasnt born into this religion, I accepted it. I am a Black, American woman so I have no problems about sharing my opinions. Dont be stupid and think that all Muslim women cant talk and dont give a voice to their opinions."

My response: You're right, your not married to a man, you're married to an enabler. Remember guys, marriage is a contract too! Don't fall for it!

[easytee]

This is the mentality of a lot of Black women unfortunately in my experience

what the hell are you talking about crakabak?

this was 2 white women!! you are a idiot!

[reena825]

first of all crakabak i did not see one black woman in this video .. we don't sperm bank it ((sorry))THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE MENTALITY OF white woman... how is it that racists always gotta find a way to discriminate in EVERY situation? i could understand if the woman was black .. but NO!! ... she's white .. and you still gotta bring down my race !.. o well for you racist, yall never gonna change! too bad for yall we about to have an African American President !!!!! hahaha ((you mad??)) OBAMA '08

[tunnelight]

There was a bald-headed black woman defending the white women's actions. Regardless of the fact that the story was about two gay white females and a straight white male, crakabak was simply stating his own experience with black women.

[tunnelight]

Oh, and I'd be willing to bet that "crakabak" is black reena825. So you are actually the racist by trying to rub a half white half black CANDIDATE in the faces of white Americans... who are the majority of his supporters by-the-way, so don't further damage your futile cause by gloating. Obama doesn't need your kind of support to win. He needs the white vote, so don't be hatin' on "Whitey". Or is that the plan after he wins? Get revenge on Whitey?? Are you a RACIST woman?

[crakabak]

B-i-t-c-h-e-s ain't s-h-i-t but ho's and tricks. That song was so true.

[bmp5star]

dumb ass women,u wana go marry sum next woman than u guys break up,now ur broke,so now u want child support..

[crakabak]

This is the mentality of a lot of Black women unfortunately in my experience.

[dimestatus2007]

??????????????

[crakabak]

This is F'n disgusting. America's justice is great in comparison to other countries but in just plain common sense the lawmakers are f'n idiots. This is the type of thing that creates serious resentment towards our government from our own countrymen. This is too much for us with war, bad economy, high prices, and lying non-elected officials.

[tunnelight]

What an outrageous load of crap. Contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Not even pre-nups are any good anymore. Men, don't get married, don't let women live under the same roof with you and get a vasectomy. This is complete bullshyte. This is what happens when you give women the right to vote. The world falls apart. The muslim religion is starting to look pretty appealing about now.