I just thought of something. If Bay were to make a prequil trilogy similar to that of Star Wars and MADE IT BETTER, the series of Transformers might not die. :D
this song in my mind sums up everything about sentinel prime as at first everyone hopes he is there saviour but then hat hope vanishes ....... best song in the album by a mile :D
I've often wondered How powerful is music? and now I hear this song live and I think his power is infinite! I can not understand how a simple song can create many different feelings in my one hand excites me and makes me feel sad, but on the other hand it motivates me, makes me feel like I can with everything in this world! really!! When a song make me feel so many feelings I have nothing more to say to me is a Onor live in the same time with people like Steve Jablonsky!
@GBerchesan I feel your comment 100%! To me this theme breeds an aura of ageless honor and reverence for one's ancestors; Imagine hearing this song when you go to Heaven to meet your great- and great-great grandparents, or the people whom you most admire!
Steve Jablonsky is a GOD!!! his music is just fantastic, especially the transformers franchise..i hope Steve Jablonsky will be doin the music for the next transformers films
Personally, I think this is an amazing piece. I don't know why, but this song reminds me of my unfortunate past of the deaths of my family members. And just when I feel a tear coming on, I know that there is still hope for the future of life...
I actually kinnda agree on sentinel's goal in this movie, he had to save his planet at any cost, he wanted to rebuild his planet.. Any human would have done the same if given his position
At least Sentinel was justified in his cause, to protect his race from dying out. Since, we can also apply that to Optimus, seeing as he sided with humanity against his race. And besides, Sentinel had no obligation to protect humans. Humans have often done the same, for example migrating to other areas, where we clear land to make room/resources for ourselves (displacing the prev. people there or destroying natural habitats)
Sentinel wasn't really much better to his own race. He killed Ironhide and nearly killed Bee, without even attempting to ask if they wanted to join him. Then asked the Autobots to leave peacefully, and when they agreed he ambushed them anyway. Then he betrayed Megatron when he realized he was weak and could get away with it, and stole command of the Decepticons from him. And probably would have killed him later on anyway.
He didn't bother asking them, because he knew that they would oppose him anyways. He didn't betray Megatron, he knew that Megatron couldn't be trusted and that M wanted to be in charge, so he "reminded" him that while SP was working with the Decepticons, he was not a decepticon himself. I am sure that Sentinel would kill Megatron afterwards, seeing that he wouldn't forgive Megatron (and OP) for starting the war on Cybertron and killing most of their race in the first place.
So then what's to stop him from "knowing" that any other Autobot he runs into would oppose him, and just killing them. Since he wrote off the entirety of Optimus's team (despite many of them not really caring for humanity much themselves, like Sideswipe, Dino, and the Wreckers) immediately. I mean if his policy is shoot first ask questions never, and and one who even remotely could have been a problem he wanted dead.
Because we know that Optimus's team =/= all Autobots. For example, another Autobot named ***hide, it's not Ironhide, but I forgot the name, is just as ruthless as any decepticon. As much as Sentinel is concerned, humanity corrupted Optimus, in turn, corrupted his team.
As far as the films are concerned Optimus's team are all the Autobots. Well aside from Sentinel himself. Why would he give any space faring Autobots different treatment when they all worked together on Cybertron anyway. Why would they trust Sentinel? "I had to slaughter all the Autobots on earth because they'd probably oppose me. Oh but you can trust me guys I promise. Unless I'm forced to bargain for something I don't like. Then I'll kill you."
Well, the films don't comprise all of Bayformers, there;s also the comics which talk about the events that happened in between movies. And ROTF, Optimus said that a new "team" of autobots came under his command, which meant that there were still some Autobots out in space. And why wouldn't they? The other Autobots may be tired of the war, and if there's an alliance with the decepticons to prevent further bloodshed, why not?
the comics contradict each other and the films, so I don't really consider them valid. Autobots and Decepticons hate each other. They have very contrasting personalities. Why would Autobots trust the Decepticons not to restart the war? Why would the Decepticons give up their warlike ways that they quite frankly seem to enjoy? Unless Sentinel brutally enforced this with mass executions. But then they're just trading it one dictator for another.
And humanity didn't "corrupt" anyone, Optimus was already a sensitive freedom for all, even the weak, kind of guy long before he'd met a decent human. He was always like that. Sentinel even says as much "you could never make the hard decisions."
If Sentinel somehow thinks he's suddenly corrupted by the humans then he's delusional.
Exactly, Optimus couldn't make the hard decisions. That's why he placed his belief over his race. Sentinel did whatever it needs to make things right, seeing as how he gave the power to Optimus and Megatron to begin with, and as a duty of the previous ruler to save what is left of his race. This and the war pretty much drove him over the edge, to the point that he has to commit a necessary evil, which makes him a tragic hero.
That's not what you said. You said he believed Optimus was corrupted, and therefore was justified in trying to preemptively murder him. (Starscream attacking the shuttle was Sentinel's idea btw, according to the comic and novel). You're claiming Sentinel should be allowed to comit any atrocity and it's justified because he's doing it in the name of their race. Despite the fact that all Sentinel really does is kill and betray said race.
In other words his every word was a lie, and he wanted anyone who might even be considering standing aganist him dead. For all he spoke about how he was doing it for their race, really he looked like he just wanted power for himself. Assuming he continued that pattern of death and betrayal it would have been a small number of terrified or helpless Autobot peasants at the mercy of the rule of Lord Sentinel, atop his throne of robot skulls.
Again, that's your perception. There is no telling what would happen if Sentinel was in charge, because it DIDN'T happen. He made it clear that that the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few. And this "few" could be seen as traitors because they sided with another race, and abandoned the remaining Cybertronians in space, while enjoying the luxury on Earth. Starscream ambushed the Autobots, I am sure he did it under Megatron's orders not SP, or on his own.
Actually Sentinel in some ways, is a better leader than Optimus. At least excusing the fact that Optimus was younger and less experienced. Sentinel took the hard decisions. He wanted to help their race survive.
Sentinel's attempted enslavement of humans to work on restoring Cybertron is no different than humans enslaving other creatures like horses, cows, etc to work for us. But because our perspective is now from the other side, suddenly it's wrong and people hate him. It's human nature. As long as we are on the top of the food chain, everything is all right. As soon as something comes to do to us what we were doing, it's evil and must be stopped. Sentinel is a hero, doing what needed to be done.
@MegabyteUnleashed That's not near the same thing. We don't "enslave" horses and cows. Those animals have no higher level thinking skills, nor do they contribute anything consequential that spawns from their intelligence (which is absolutely nothing). Humans are an intelligent species with an innovative mind and creativity. Sentinel should have seen that, and he undoubtedly did, yet he still chose an attempted enslavement.
@Firejack95 Granted not every human enslaves cows and horses, but there are plenty that do. We may consider humans to be a creative, intelligent species, but clearly Sentinel did not think of us as such. I am merely pointing out that Sentinel thought humans were a primitive, underdeveloped species. So to him, taking his course of action was a neccessary evil, yet no different to how we view cows and horses, or other animals we use for menial tasks.
Horses and cows aren't sentient. They can't communicate to humans to suggest they don't want to "enslaved" as you call it. If they could, lots of people would be cheering "free the horses" and such. TFs being physically superior doesn't make humanity less sentient all of a sudden. Especially since a horse is superior to humanity in physical ways (a horse can easily kill a man with a good kick) just not mentally.
Define sentience. Every living thing (except plants) are sentient. The only thing that humans are more developed than cows and humans is that we are just more intelligent. But, the Transformers are more intelligent than humans.
@bob1986 You seem to be thinking my views are the same as Sentinel's. They are not. I am merely seeing things from his point of view and understanding them. I never said anything about physicality being the deciding factor. I was talking about intelligence levels. Humanity is less intelligent than the tf's from an intelligence standpoint. Sentient and intelligent are two different things.
Stop trolling. If I remember correctly, it was Optimus that attacked Sentinel first during the final battle and was also TRIED to kill Sentinel. Given that logic, then you should hate his ass too. Ironhide was a necessary sacrifice. And given all that, yes I admire Sentinel as a hero of Cybertron, but not as a human.
And Optimus says that Autobots never should harm humans, do you think that he broke the rule by going on those "spec ops" missions in the middle east then?
Sentinel gave that freedom speech and gave Megatron and Optimus his power, look at what good it did him? It destroyed both his planet and his race, so at least he saw that his freedom ideals wouldn't have worked, and he needs to make things right again.
@KiraXBara456 they did that spec ops mission to protect the humans, i mean if bad humans side with the decepticons then they are their enemys too... but they only did it to protect humanity from destroying itself.
I call bullshit. Where was it said that Iran teamed up with the decepticons? NONE. Soundwave has little to no contact with the ME. Next, it was an "unauthorised" nuclear reactor. *some political theme here, I wonder why /sarcasm* Then I could say that Sentinel teamed up with the Decepticons to protect his race from dying. And if Optimus's team teamed up with the humans, then they are the enemy too. And in the end, the autobots are pretty much USA's lapdog.
@KiraXBara456 I think Starscream was a fallen hero too, because I read that he also thought that Optimus and Megatron's war was getting nowhere but was corrupted and served Megatron . Many on both sides perished in the war including vetarans like Sentinel,Que, Ironhide , Jazz for the Autobots and on Decepticons were Brawl,Soundwave, Shockwave , Starscream , Megatron . A civil war is the most devastating thing could happen and both sides are equally guilty.
Of course. But I think Starscream lacked development in Bayformers. And, don't forget that Starscream "tried" to save their race by attempting to build a new Allspark and failed...
@RepublicofChina1000 Mmm, in reign of Starscream the comic series he said that both leaders had failed cybertron and he intended to be the leader neither of them coudl. Of course, he's Starscream, so he messed it up completely :P
@KiraXBara456 *Sigh* did you watch the movies? they where trying to keep them from destroying them selfs.... all autobots stand for is freedom and clearly sentinel tried to enslave humans so he betrayed himself and his cause....
That was when Optimus OVERWRITTEN the original purpose of the Autobots after Sentinel's "death". So, even if Optimus claims that he would not harm humans, it didn't occur to him to only allow the states to intervene instead of sending in his autobots, it makes HIM a TRAITOR as well. He is as much of a hypocrite as Sentinel. At least Sentinel SAW the BIGGER picture that his race was dying, if he saw that his ideals was responsible for the war, then boy he needed to change them.
What the crap? Preventing humans from destroying themselves? This is simply laughable and DOUBLE standards at the best. The USA has the most nuclear weapons, and yet the Autobots didn't intervene on their ass? And what gave the Autobots to judge the middle east in the first place? Oh yea, because they only saw USA as the "leaders" of humanity. -_-. Just admit already, BOTH sentinel and optimus went back on their ideals and that's THAT.
It's not that. It's the political themes that the writers put in. It's not like America is the SOLE savior of humanity, as much as people want it to believe. Oh, the Autobots land, then they MUST refer to America as the world's leaders, not the UN.
@KiraXBara456 I agree with on on optimus being a traitor to Cybertron , but come to think when you've been at war for that long who knows what you might become , right ? Also yes I agree the humans are barely non-violent all they do is start wars for conquering and controlling. At least Megatron , tried expanding Cyberton's glory but over did it a bit by wanting to conquer worlds with living beings on it. Anyway the WAR WAS HELL and all 3 wanted to end it even by using drastic measures.
i don't think Megatron ever got the chance to expand, other than the failed attempt on Earth. The Decepticons are pretty much crushed and I don't see Megatron as being a tragic hero, unless you count him being tainted by the Fallen as being tragic, but he's mostly invading for personal glory and not really for his race. Whereas Sentinel took drastic measures to ensure his race did try to survive.
@KiraXBara456 That because they dont know they have that kind of weapons! its top secret! just like that cybertronian engine part! goddamit! THEY said themself's that they where preventing humanity from destroying itself THEY said that Sentinel was traitor and he is. period. your either a G1 fan or you hate the US...
(tho i do agree some part, i didnt like the US-boss thingy, Kinda stupid like if they ruled the world or something like "AMERICA ENDs ALLIANCE" they dont decide. :( )
They already explained that it was the Russians that found the engine part, NOT the USA, thus no connection. "They" said, who's this "they"? It's about being hypocritical and being double standards. Optimus is allowed to go back on his ideals on harming humans to "save" humans while Sentinel is not for his race? what logic is this?! And again,what does Optimus know about the countries's history, the internet can be manipulated by anyone and Optimus says he knows it through the web.
Accept the story? The only thing I accept is that Optimus killed Sentinel in DOTM. Optimus aside, there is no way I believe that the makers would openly say that Sentinel is a traitor unless you can find me the direct interview. There is no director that would be stupid enough to give away the biggest secret plot twist of the movie, even in the special interviews. Another thing I accept is that BOTH primes went back on their ideals, and that's it. No sugar coating, just admit it.
Your quote is off. Sentinel says, "Optimus, all I wanted was the survival of our race. You must see why I had to betray you." Well, Optimus is too self righteous to see that he too, had fallen back on his ideals.
@KiraXBara456 what about "What you must realise, my autobot brothers. that we where never going to win the war... for the sake of our planets survival, a deal had to be made with "Megatron" - Sentinel Prime on killing Ironhide. so he already betrayed the autobots long before they where here on earth "He was ment to rendevouz with me here on earth"- Megatron.
And your point is...? He made the deal with megatron a few days before he departed Cybertron and landed in a coma. To him, the whole span of events may have only been one week to him.
@KiraXBara456 to him yes, but it still stands, Sentinel betrayed the autobots by 1. He killed ironhide and launched pillars to let deceptions destroy a whole city 2. He worked/joined with the decepticons that why his eyes turn slightly purple
1. His sacrifice was necessary and it was a smart move on SP's part as Ironhide was the second most dangerous autobot. I can also say that Optimus betrayed humans by not defending the city while under seige.
2. His eyes don't turn purple because he joined the Decepticons! It's a symbolic indication to illustrate the corruption/fall of Sentinel. And the second meaning is that only Sentinel is the one that wants to join both groups into one race, hence purple.
I am not denying that Sentinel is a traitor, but at least he had good reason to. You're pretty naive if you also thought that Optimus always stuck with his ideals and wasn't a traitor himself.
@KiraXBara456 i said he "worked/joined" with the decepticons, that means that he "joined with" that means he worked together + i said the eyes turn slightly purple not fully since most is still blue. and yes he was corrupted, thats what leaded to betraying the autobots hence he is a traitor
Working with =/= Join. Join means that Sentinel has become a decepticon, which he hasn't. A fallen autobot does not equal to decepticon. Yea, and optimus is a traitor too.
@KiraXBara456 "joined with" definition: To put or bring into close association or relationship, To act together; form an alliance. Optimus didnt betray the autobots all autobots abandoned cybertron cuz there is nothing left of it and optimus doesnt want to enslave sentient beings to rebuild cybertron with the decepticons cuz well 1. he is a prime 2. he is a autobot
I can prove you wrong, as there was still Autobot resistance AFTER optimus left, that's why Shockwave was left in charge AFTER Megatron chased the AS. Optimus's team =/= ALL autobots. Optimus didn't betray the "autobots", he betrayed his own ideals at some points and betrayed his race and planet. A prime has NOTHING to do with slavery. How do you think the Prime dynasty built harvesters, CYBERTRONIANS SLAVES!
@KiraXBara456 his race and planet? the planet was in a civil war! destroyed,ravaged!
there was nothing but war... what would you do if you where in a war country? look at the middle east those ppl try to flee from all the fighting too! it isnt the fault of optimus that the prime dynasty failed....
The planet was ravaged and COULD be still saved, but he turned his back when he THOUGHT he lost the war (he was close in killing Megatron and let him go when Sentinel left in the Ark). Then it isn't the fault of Sentinel that the Autobots had lost the war and it isn't his fault that he tried to pursue for peace by making a treaty with Megatron then.
Killing someone in cold blood (or Energon in this case) is never acceptable in my eyes. There are no necessery sacrifices to be justified. If you have to make a sacrifice you've already made a massive mistake before hand.
Whatever future Ironhide had was taken from him, by Sentinel. There will forever be a hole in the hearts of the Autobots and people like Lennox, who was good friends with him, because of Sentinel. How can that ever be justified?
That is not a good case to make. I can say that Sentinel's future or the MANY Cybertronian lives/futures were stolen from them when Optimus declared the civil war. And what future? What about the decepticons' future? Some of them probably joined because it was the winning side and the war would end faster. Well, if they resisted, they would die by Megatron. What about the lives that Ironhide took? Surely, they must had futures for them too...How can THAT be justified.
Nearly all Decepticons opted for the path of bringing misery and suffering to others. Once you opt for that, you forfeit your future. Ironhide was always shown defending others. The people he killed? Smashing up innocents or attacking others.
Ironhide was a good guy. Most (ie, all Decepticons shown on screen.) were oppressing others.
Killing somebody in cold blood is unacceptable, I agree. But that can also be made by Optimus towards Sentinel and Demolisher. It wasn't even at the height of battle that Optimus killed both, but after the fighting was over. Did Optimus give a chance for the wounded Demolisher to join the Autobots? Nope. What about the weakened Sentinel? MB trashed OP's character into making him as ruthless as the decepticons. Would Optimus been more merciful, he may have exiled sentinel from the earth.
Except Ironhide hadn't done a thing to Sentinel. Where as both of them had smashed up humans, attacked Autobots, and Sentinel had been seconds from killing Optimus.
Again they are actively bringing harm to innocents. Ironhide was not, unless you somehow consder the Dreads innocent. Hint: They weren't, they started the fight, and were given a geninue oppertunity to walk away, and used said oppertunity for a sneak attack.
So? Humans are no longer innocent once they were drawn into the war. If I remember correctly, it was the Autobots that sent the Allspark in Earth's direction (untintentionally, but still). You said NEARLY all decepticons. wait, wtf? you give up your future? What the hell is that logic, and who are YOU to judge if one has no future or not. EVERYONE has a future, although it may not be a desirable future, but at least if you live, you can make w.e you can out of your future.
Remember, it's YOU who believes they don't deserve a future. That still doesn't go against my view. In that even if you are causing pain, that is STILL a future. Even, if it means taking the future away from others. Optimus doesn't have to repair him, just send him away from Earth, without weapons and his motivation to fight (Cybertron), that is even a harsher punishment than death. Sentinel fought for Cybertron, with his motivation lost, what is there left to fight for?
Okay, using that logic. Humans have brought nothing but suffering and misery upon themselves and nature. With that, then surely humans don't deserve a future either. In fact, I think nature is biting us in the back now for that. or how about that saying, "If you don't go to uni, you won't have a future." Do you believe in that? I sure don't. Future is what you make out of it, even from others' expenses.
I'd almost agree with you. Except I haven't quite given up on humanity yet, although we still need alot of work. But I see enough kind and decent people in my life, to think we still have a slim chance.
I'm actually using the term future figuratively though. I don't mean your literal future.
Fine, I'll leave most of it here. You have your values and I have mine. Both of us have our future, albeit it may not be favourable to one of us. Both of us have our ideal TF role models, yours; is OP, mine is SP. As long as I respect your values as much as you respect mine, then that is fine.
@KiraXBara456 Lol you guys went deep into the convo i read it twice so much detail in something small you guys are very attached to transformers (as am i)
Well, it's not only our attachment to transformers, but for me, I am one of the RARE Sentinel fans, who saw more indepth about his character rather than the whole oh Sentinel kills Ironhide, therefore he's a bastard that deserves to die. In this movie alone with comics, there's so much about Sentinel and his fall as a tragic hero. With symbolism in this movie, his eye/armour colour, the Matrix scene and etc. Even the theme illustrates how deep Sentinel's character is.
@KiraXBara456 Thats a very true comment. I understand exactly what you are saying. I wasn't fully aware of how discretely they portrayed deep into sentinel's character. Made me think for a while.... And i agree with your point that sentinel wasn't really traitor or a villain and that there was much more than meets the eye.
With that thinking, I can say that Ironhide deserves to die for killing my fav. Dread (who was badass in the freeway fight). It doesn't take much effort to judge one's deeds according to action, but it takes much more to analyse their thinking and motivations behind it.
@KiraXBara456 Not to burst your bubble, but you're not in some "rare" group because you were able to identify character development. Many people who saw the movie were able to understand Sentinel as a character, granted they were above the age of 14. The specific topic that is disputed is not WHY Sentinel did it, but the fact that it was, in the eyes of much of the audience, inhumane.
We raise them to be beasts of burden, or as food. So yes, we do enslave them, even keeping them in zoos/cages. The fact that they are lower or higher level intelligence MEANS nothing, it's the fact that they could feel PAIN and emotions is the definition of being sentient. To Sentinel, we are the equivalent of cattle or ants to him, and he's not exactly wrong either.
@habibhabibhabibgdsfe but they were taking over a planet of 7 billion people. You ppl are very misinformed. the dcons wanted to kill 7 billions of us for their own good. We had nothing to do with the war, and the autobots know that freedom is the right of all sentient beings. Remember, Optimus has seen goodness in us since the 1st movie. So he is fighting for GOOD. Cybertron was destroyed due to war between bots nd cons-NOT humans. the bots know that. thats the def between GOOD and EVIL.
@Wals141 they wanted to enslave some of the humans, those that were easly manipulated, but they dont like humans at all, as some1 pointed out Megatron himself said "humans dont deserve to live", so they werent really planning on keeping the whole population as slaves
Well, that's only if you go by the game plot and remember, Megatron was kept frozen by humans for who knows how many years, he had every reason to hate humans.
Well, you can think of it like this. Sentinel kind of killed Ironhide because he was the biggest threat other than Optimus (with the big guns and all), and spared Optimus the first time because of his attachment to his pupil.
Yea, I agree that Leonard did an excellent job, the only problem I had for the movie was that the whole job/parent scene should have been used to further develop Sentinel's character instead.
@KiraXBara456 Mmm, my only real criticism is that he kept saying he wished to be a God. hat made him more arrogant than need be, aside from that he was a complex character with regard to his motivations, he clearly took no pleasure in the conflict and was enraged at Megatron insinuating that he was now one of them (decepticons) "I have deigned to work WITH you, I will never work FOR you"
If we were a race of "gods", most of us would think the same. It's not different from MOST humans either, in which they believe that nature exists to bend to our will's. While Sentinel voiced it in words, humans thought the same. And next, we know that he's desperate and practically losing his mind in the process while trying to protect his race/planet. That is what makes him a tragic hero.
@KiraXBara456 Couldn't agree more. His actions were bad but his intentions were good. The mind can drive one to desperate measures when achieving a goal.
(sighs), so what about those other Cybertronians that had "lives" before the civil war? Did Optimus give a thought about that when he opposed Megatron? Doubt it. His beliefs were more important than his race's lives.
And so, Optimus can show that he can be merciful by exiling Sentinel, he could see that Sentinel has lost everything and had no more intent to fight after his planet blew up. And that he doesn't go dark himself. You said it yourself, killing doesn't make everything right.
Best I can tell, Megatron started the whole war. Optimus only reacted to it.
Sentinel was wounded and near death. Assuming he did the humane thing and repaired him, and let him leave, what would stop Sentinel from trying again? Sentinel's last words make it clear he doesn't believe he's wrong. Or just come for revenge.
@KiraXBara456 Just because one country has the most nuclear weapons doesn't mean they will use them. The reason the USA has the most is because of the cold war, and the reason they made so many was because they didn't want to use them. Both Russia and the USA knew that if they scared the other side, nuclear weapons would most likely not be used because it would cause total destruction on both sides. The middle east was and still is creating nuclear weapons with no good reason to.
By the Cold war, both USA and Russia have enough nukes to destroy the Earth SEVERAL times over. So destroying it once is not enough for them? Using them as a deterrent? Then they are excessively doing so. Middle East has EVERY right to create nukes to protect themselves, and America is NOT the sole judge of who should/not get nukes. And now, the Cold war is over, so why does America still need to create nuclear weapons then?
@KiraXBara456 It is not just America that is nervous about them creating nukes. It is pretty much all of the UN plus many other countries. No country has any right to create nuclear weapons at this time because they have no good reason to do so. Oh, and you have your facts wrong because America has stopped making nuclear weapons.
I stand corrected, as I just found out that the states is slowly reducing it's stockpile. And, with how America/Nato has been invading other countries, I;d say many counties would want nukes to deter an invasion.
@KiraXBara456 and if you watched TF2 you would know that they refused to share weapons technology with the humans, cuz it would only lead to more destruction and war...
WHy does the sharing even matter anymore? The humans can just dig up all those dead Decepticons and reverse engineer their weaponry without telling the Autobots.
Fuck Sintinel!!! I hate his big red ,rusty ass bitch. He dont diserve wonderfull music like this. He suck ass. I hate him. He tried to kill Optimus, he killed Ironhide,and brought a fuck load of rusty dying decipticons. If he was real would you like him?? Sintinel sucks the autobots asses.Stupid Bitch!!!
Autobots and Decepticons are ONE race, but two different groups with different ideologies. So yes, Sentinel is the savior of his race (had he succeeded).
The rule was to NOT destroy a planet with life. And the Prime Dynasty was LONG gone. It was Sentinel that brought the glory back. Slavery =/= Destroy. And I could say that Optimus is a traitor for siding with humanity and destroying Cybertron.
And next, if he betrayed the ideals of the Prime Dynasty, then clearly, he is even more self-sacrificing if he had to sacrifice his honour and self so that his race and planet could live on.
I don't mind Ironhide dying by the way. It probably gave Optimus his rage, since he and Ironhide where always the best of friends. I just don't like the manner in which he died. Not saying Sentinel shouldn't have killed him, but I just think Iron hide was the most underutilized character in the whole story. 3 movies and Ironhide never fired those big guns of his except to blow up the street and tell a beautiful by-stander to move in slow motion.
He was also the only non Optimus or Bee Autobot to get any visable character development, going from thinking the humans were primiative and not worth their time in the first movie, to sticking with them in the sequel when Ratchet wanted to leave following Optimus's death.
Personally I think it'll be a waste if the films continue without him.
The fallen started this whole war ... I think the fallen should of been in the last movie instead of the 2nd .. Sentinel should of been the start of the second .
What should have happened is have Optimus die in the end of the second movie, thus the Fallen's "revenge" is complete and have Sentinel/Optimus return in the third movie.
@SuperOptimus217 If Optimus had stayed dead, he could have been resurrected in the 3rd movie. The Matrix should have been an artifact hidden in the Ark along with the pillars, then you wouldn't have needed Sentinel's betrayal story because Optimus and or Sentinel could have defeated the fallen and Megatron. Sentinel then passes the Matrix to Optimus who then becomes a true prime and dies.
Sentinel did what he had to do, he fought for his home planet. and don't tell me you wouldn't fight for yours. He's like patriot, but to a planet. Stop bitching about sentinel being a backstabber. He makes mistakes sure, which would make him more human. R.I.P Sentinel - Like a god to us, besides. most of these people deserve to die (just pointing at the in-human ones) :)
No. I wouldn't. I don't believe in explioting people weaker than me, and if I had to choose between saving my race at the expense of another, I'd risk extinction and look for another way. I couldn't live with myself otherwise.
well sentinel is dead(YAY!) and a reboot of the series following the G1 storyline is upcoming. They were going to continue this take on it but with everyone dead and cybertron destroyed theres nothing left. Rot in hell sentinal this is me signing off.
@KiraXBara456 heh you know hollywood, LETS REMAKE EVERYTHING!!!......plus the writers ended this story line with the third one. even Michael bay & Shia Labouf when asked to do another transformers movie said, "No" . So they either reboot and start fresh (which hasbro loves because they sell more toys) or come out with crappy sequels equivalent to the free willy saga (which they are also trying to remake). I vote remake over possibly seeing Ben afleck stand next to optimus.
Can asking for a prequel too much to ask? I rather they expand more on Sentinel's betrayal and how the Golden Age became the destruction that we know today.
Too many people are asking for Galvatron, but think about it. Megatron has been revived ONCE already, not again!
And yes, I blame Hollywood and oh boy, do I dread to think of the potential crappy writers and story.
yo soy feliz!!
KarlanaPodcast 3 days ago
Suddenly graphs and tables seem a lot less shit.
flubberface08 4 days ago
Très recopié sur " The last samouraï" mais très prenant. J'aime beaucoup
MultiRod117 5 days ago
how did tf3 not win best visual effects at the oscars?
JoheedzBoyz 6 days ago
Damnnnn awesome...... This s amazingggg love it..
007adhil 1 week ago
This has to be one of instrumental that Steve Jabonsky ever made .. I hope There's another Transformes .. I would love to hear more of his creation .
SuperOptimus217 3 weeks ago
I just thought of something. If Bay were to make a prequil trilogy similar to that of Star Wars and MADE IT BETTER, the series of Transformers might not die. :D
FudoMaster1231 1 month ago
@FudoMaster1231 Only if its set on Cybertron during the war. With no fleshy being anywhere to be found.
SageVallant 4 weeks ago
I'm a grown ass man, and I can't hold my emotion whenever I heard this song..... Danmmm it's good .
And stop arguing about the movie, and enjoy the music.....
Wow... Just freaking amazing.
vlalex3x 1 month ago 5
Veri-veri Xd.
HUNkaoss 1 month ago
this song in my mind sums up everything about sentinel prime as at first everyone hopes he is there saviour but then hat hope vanishes ....... best song in the album by a mile :D
dbpie12 1 month ago
This song sounds so sad and hopefully same....
MrSaphirCurtiss 1 month ago
I've often wondered How powerful is music? and now I hear this song live and I think his power is infinite! I can not understand how a simple song can create many different feelings in my one hand excites me and makes me feel sad, but on the other hand it motivates me, makes me feel like I can with everything in this world! really!! When a song make me feel so many feelings I have nothing more to say to me is a Onor live in the same time with people like Steve Jablonsky!
GBerchesan 1 month ago 3
@GBerchesan I feel your comment 100%! To me this theme breeds an aura of ageless honor and reverence for one's ancestors; Imagine hearing this song when you go to Heaven to meet your great- and great-great grandparents, or the people whom you most admire!
kilovots 1 month ago 2
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Yes. Sentinel isn't a traitor. He just wanted to protect his planet, and rebuild it.
Vencsiii 1 month ago
Steve Jablonsky is a GOD!!! his music is just fantastic, especially the transformers franchise..i hope Steve Jablonsky will be doin the music for the next transformers films
82468264 1 month ago
Personally, I think this is an amazing piece. I don't know why, but this song reminds me of my unfortunate past of the deaths of my family members. And just when I feel a tear coming on, I know that there is still hope for the future of life...
FudoMaster1231 1 month ago
I actually kinnda agree on sentinel's goal in this movie, he had to save his planet at any cost, he wanted to rebuild his planet.. Any human would have done the same if given his position
italianyownage11 1 month ago
@italianyownage11
I wouldn't. And I'd stop anyone who tried.
And that's ignoring the fact that Sentinel was a treacherous lying backstabber to his own people, nevermind humanity.
bob1986 1 month ago
At least Sentinel was justified in his cause, to protect his race from dying out. Since, we can also apply that to Optimus, seeing as he sided with humanity against his race. And besides, Sentinel had no obligation to protect humans. Humans have often done the same, for example migrating to other areas, where we clear land to make room/resources for ourselves (displacing the prev. people there or destroying natural habitats)
KiraXBara456 1 month ago
@KiraXBara456
Sentinel wasn't really much better to his own race. He killed Ironhide and nearly killed Bee, without even attempting to ask if they wanted to join him. Then asked the Autobots to leave peacefully, and when they agreed he ambushed them anyway. Then he betrayed Megatron when he realized he was weak and could get away with it, and stole command of the Decepticons from him. And probably would have killed him later on anyway.
bob1986 1 month ago
He didn't bother asking them, because he knew that they would oppose him anyways. He didn't betray Megatron, he knew that Megatron couldn't be trusted and that M wanted to be in charge, so he "reminded" him that while SP was working with the Decepticons, he was not a decepticon himself. I am sure that Sentinel would kill Megatron afterwards, seeing that he wouldn't forgive Megatron (and OP) for starting the war on Cybertron and killing most of their race in the first place.
KiraXBara456 1 month ago
@KiraXBara456
So then what's to stop him from "knowing" that any other Autobot he runs into would oppose him, and just killing them. Since he wrote off the entirety of Optimus's team (despite many of them not really caring for humanity much themselves, like Sideswipe, Dino, and the Wreckers) immediately. I mean if his policy is shoot first ask questions never, and and one who even remotely could have been a problem he wanted dead.
bob1986 1 month ago
Because we know that Optimus's team =/= all Autobots. For example, another Autobot named ***hide, it's not Ironhide, but I forgot the name, is just as ruthless as any decepticon. As much as Sentinel is concerned, humanity corrupted Optimus, in turn, corrupted his team.
KiraXBara456 1 month ago
@KiraXBara456
As far as the films are concerned Optimus's team are all the Autobots. Well aside from Sentinel himself. Why would he give any space faring Autobots different treatment when they all worked together on Cybertron anyway. Why would they trust Sentinel? "I had to slaughter all the Autobots on earth because they'd probably oppose me. Oh but you can trust me guys I promise. Unless I'm forced to bargain for something I don't like. Then I'll kill you."
bob1986 1 month ago
@bob1986
Well, the films don't comprise all of Bayformers, there;s also the comics which talk about the events that happened in between movies. And ROTF, Optimus said that a new "team" of autobots came under his command, which meant that there were still some Autobots out in space. And why wouldn't they? The other Autobots may be tired of the war, and if there's an alliance with the decepticons to prevent further bloodshed, why not?
KiraXBara456 1 month ago
@KiraXBara456
the comics contradict each other and the films, so I don't really consider them valid. Autobots and Decepticons hate each other. They have very contrasting personalities. Why would Autobots trust the Decepticons not to restart the war? Why would the Decepticons give up their warlike ways that they quite frankly seem to enjoy? Unless Sentinel brutally enforced this with mass executions. But then they're just trading it one dictator for another.
bob1986 1 month ago
@KiraXBara456
And humanity didn't "corrupt" anyone, Optimus was already a sensitive freedom for all, even the weak, kind of guy long before he'd met a decent human. He was always like that. Sentinel even says as much "you could never make the hard decisions."
If Sentinel somehow thinks he's suddenly corrupted by the humans then he's delusional.
bob1986 1 month ago
Exactly, Optimus couldn't make the hard decisions. That's why he placed his belief over his race. Sentinel did whatever it needs to make things right, seeing as how he gave the power to Optimus and Megatron to begin with, and as a duty of the previous ruler to save what is left of his race. This and the war pretty much drove him over the edge, to the point that he has to commit a necessary evil, which makes him a tragic hero.
KiraXBara456 1 month ago
@KiraXBara456
That's not what you said. You said he believed Optimus was corrupted, and therefore was justified in trying to preemptively murder him. (Starscream attacking the shuttle was Sentinel's idea btw, according to the comic and novel). You're claiming Sentinel should be allowed to comit any atrocity and it's justified because he's doing it in the name of their race. Despite the fact that all Sentinel really does is kill and betray said race.
bob1986 1 month ago
@KiraXBara456
In other words his every word was a lie, and he wanted anyone who might even be considering standing aganist him dead. For all he spoke about how he was doing it for their race, really he looked like he just wanted power for himself. Assuming he continued that pattern of death and betrayal it would have been a small number of terrified or helpless Autobot peasants at the mercy of the rule of Lord Sentinel, atop his throne of robot skulls.
bob1986 1 month ago
Again, that's your perception. There is no telling what would happen if Sentinel was in charge, because it DIDN'T happen. He made it clear that that the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few. And this "few" could be seen as traitors because they sided with another race, and abandoned the remaining Cybertronians in space, while enjoying the luxury on Earth. Starscream ambushed the Autobots, I am sure he did it under Megatron's orders not SP, or on his own.
KiraXBara456 1 month ago
Yessss. This is wat I was looking for. The intro. Thw best!!!!
feezydakid 1 month ago
I´m the like button *fuck me*
gmxgamer 1 month ago
Kinda sad?
Anyone agree lol Espicially that scene when he was fighting Optimus with this soundtrack playing
DrunkinCatFish 2 months ago
Actually Sentinel in some ways, is a better leader than Optimus. At least excusing the fact that Optimus was younger and less experienced. Sentinel took the hard decisions. He wanted to help their race survive.
EmmyDelight 2 months ago
Has there been anymore word on when the physical CD of this score will be released?
michaelsproductions 2 months ago
Should have just left him on the moon....
bob1986 2 months ago
Or Optimus should never have led the Autobots...
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
Don't know why i'm bursting into tears when i'm listening to this magnificent piece of art.
SutkasFan 2 months ago
best intro ever!
eeweka1 2 months ago 27
@eeweka1 Yes!!!!!
ghostdu21 2 months ago
@eeweka1 Much better than the 2nd one!! Jesus
ADMediaEmpire 5 days ago
:O worldclass
NICOger1992 2 months ago
I love it!
ghostdu21 2 months ago
best intro to a film ever. this music playing as it zoomed into his eye. epic
GearsOfWarAnimations 2 months ago
if only megatron in this movie was as badass in the prequel game....
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
This piece of music is what I would play to god to impress Him.
lathesius 2 months ago
Sentinel's attempted enslavement of humans to work on restoring Cybertron is no different than humans enslaving other creatures like horses, cows, etc to work for us. But because our perspective is now from the other side, suddenly it's wrong and people hate him. It's human nature. As long as we are on the top of the food chain, everything is all right. As soon as something comes to do to us what we were doing, it's evil and must be stopped. Sentinel is a hero, doing what needed to be done.
MegabyteUnleashed 3 months ago
@MegabyteUnleashed That's not near the same thing. We don't "enslave" horses and cows. Those animals have no higher level thinking skills, nor do they contribute anything consequential that spawns from their intelligence (which is absolutely nothing). Humans are an intelligent species with an innovative mind and creativity. Sentinel should have seen that, and he undoubtedly did, yet he still chose an attempted enslavement.
Firejack95 2 months ago
@Firejack95 Granted not every human enslaves cows and horses, but there are plenty that do. We may consider humans to be a creative, intelligent species, but clearly Sentinel did not think of us as such. I am merely pointing out that Sentinel thought humans were a primitive, underdeveloped species. So to him, taking his course of action was a neccessary evil, yet no different to how we view cows and horses, or other animals we use for menial tasks.
MegabyteUnleashed 2 months ago
@MegabyteUnleashed
Horses and cows aren't sentient. They can't communicate to humans to suggest they don't want to "enslaved" as you call it. If they could, lots of people would be cheering "free the horses" and such. TFs being physically superior doesn't make humanity less sentient all of a sudden. Especially since a horse is superior to humanity in physical ways (a horse can easily kill a man with a good kick) just not mentally.
bob1986 1 month ago
Define sentience. Every living thing (except plants) are sentient. The only thing that humans are more developed than cows and humans is that we are just more intelligent. But, the Transformers are more intelligent than humans.
KiraXBara456 1 month ago
@bob1986 You seem to be thinking my views are the same as Sentinel's. They are not. I am merely seeing things from his point of view and understanding them. I never said anything about physicality being the deciding factor. I was talking about intelligence levels. Humanity is less intelligent than the tf's from an intelligence standpoint. Sentient and intelligent are two different things.
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KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@lalaladalia
Stop trolling. If I remember correctly, it was Optimus that attacked Sentinel first during the final battle and was also TRIED to kill Sentinel. Given that logic, then you should hate his ass too. Ironhide was a necessary sacrifice. And given all that, yes I admire Sentinel as a hero of Cybertron, but not as a human.
KiraXBara456 3 months ago
@KiraXBara456 oh and btw sentinel prime said that freedom is everyones right, dont think he is betraying that rule by enslaving humans?
WoWrocks3388 3 months ago
And Optimus says that Autobots never should harm humans, do you think that he broke the rule by going on those "spec ops" missions in the middle east then?
Sentinel gave that freedom speech and gave Megatron and Optimus his power, look at what good it did him? It destroyed both his planet and his race, so at least he saw that his freedom ideals wouldn't have worked, and he needs to make things right again.
KiraXBara456 3 months ago
@KiraXBara456 they did that spec ops mission to protect the humans, i mean if bad humans side with the decepticons then they are their enemys too... but they only did it to protect humanity from destroying itself.
WoWrocks3388 3 months ago
I call bullshit. Where was it said that Iran teamed up with the decepticons? NONE. Soundwave has little to no contact with the ME. Next, it was an "unauthorised" nuclear reactor. *some political theme here, I wonder why /sarcasm* Then I could say that Sentinel teamed up with the Decepticons to protect his race from dying. And if Optimus's team teamed up with the humans, then they are the enemy too. And in the end, the autobots are pretty much USA's lapdog.
KiraXBara456 3 months ago
@KiraXBara456 I think Starscream was a fallen hero too, because I read that he also thought that Optimus and Megatron's war was getting nowhere but was corrupted and served Megatron . Many on both sides perished in the war including vetarans like Sentinel,Que, Ironhide , Jazz for the Autobots and on Decepticons were Brawl,Soundwave, Shockwave , Starscream , Megatron . A civil war is the most devastating thing could happen and both sides are equally guilty.
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago
Of course. But I think Starscream lacked development in Bayformers. And, don't forget that Starscream "tried" to save their race by attempting to build a new Allspark and failed...
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 Mmm, in reign of Starscream the comic series he said that both leaders had failed cybertron and he intended to be the leader neither of them coudl. Of course, he's Starscream, so he messed it up completely :P
NickStedmon 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 *Sigh* did you watch the movies? they where trying to keep them from destroying them selfs.... all autobots stand for is freedom and clearly sentinel tried to enslave humans so he betrayed himself and his cause....
WoWrocks3388 2 months ago
That was when Optimus OVERWRITTEN the original purpose of the Autobots after Sentinel's "death". So, even if Optimus claims that he would not harm humans, it didn't occur to him to only allow the states to intervene instead of sending in his autobots, it makes HIM a TRAITOR as well. He is as much of a hypocrite as Sentinel. At least Sentinel SAW the BIGGER picture that his race was dying, if he saw that his ideals was responsible for the war, then boy he needed to change them.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
What the crap? Preventing humans from destroying themselves? This is simply laughable and DOUBLE standards at the best. The USA has the most nuclear weapons, and yet the Autobots didn't intervene on their ass? And what gave the Autobots to judge the middle east in the first place? Oh yea, because they only saw USA as the "leaders" of humanity. -_-. Just admit already, BOTH sentinel and optimus went back on their ideals and that's THAT.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456
You seem to have issues with the US.....
bob1986 2 months ago
It's not that. It's the political themes that the writers put in. It's not like America is the SOLE savior of humanity, as much as people want it to believe. Oh, the Autobots land, then they MUST refer to America as the world's leaders, not the UN.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 I agree with on on optimus being a traitor to Cybertron , but come to think when you've been at war for that long who knows what you might become , right ? Also yes I agree the humans are barely non-violent all they do is start wars for conquering and controlling. At least Megatron , tried expanding Cyberton's glory but over did it a bit by wanting to conquer worlds with living beings on it. Anyway the WAR WAS HELL and all 3 wanted to end it even by using drastic measures.
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago
@RepublicofChina1000 What are your favorite transformers by the way and did you like the animated movie ?
RepublicofChina1000 2 months ago
i don't think Megatron ever got the chance to expand, other than the failed attempt on Earth. The Decepticons are pretty much crushed and I don't see Megatron as being a tragic hero, unless you count him being tainted by the Fallen as being tragic, but he's mostly invading for personal glory and not really for his race. Whereas Sentinel took drastic measures to ensure his race did try to survive.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456
Sentinel's Address was sent to the UN. When refering to "Your leaders" Optimus was thus speaking about the UN. And not solely the US.
bob1986 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 That because they dont know they have that kind of weapons! its top secret! just like that cybertronian engine part! goddamit! THEY said themself's that they where preventing humanity from destroying itself THEY said that Sentinel was traitor and he is. period. your either a G1 fan or you hate the US...
(tho i do agree some part, i didnt like the US-boss thingy, Kinda stupid like if they ruled the world or something like "AMERICA ENDs ALLIANCE" they dont decide. :( )
WoWrocks3388 2 months ago
They already explained that it was the Russians that found the engine part, NOT the USA, thus no connection. "They" said, who's this "they"? It's about being hypocritical and being double standards. Optimus is allowed to go back on his ideals on harming humans to "save" humans while Sentinel is not for his race? what logic is this?! And again,what does Optimus know about the countries's history, the internet can be manipulated by anyone and Optimus says he knows it through the web.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 the makers and prime.
WoWrocks3388 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 just accept the story m8....
WoWrocks3388 2 months ago
Accept the story? The only thing I accept is that Optimus killed Sentinel in DOTM. Optimus aside, there is no way I believe that the makers would openly say that Sentinel is a traitor unless you can find me the direct interview. There is no director that would be stupid enough to give away the biggest secret plot twist of the movie, even in the special interviews. Another thing I accept is that BOTH primes went back on their ideals, and that's it. No sugar coating, just admit it.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 "Optimus, I am sorry i had to betray you...." - Sentinel Prime.
WoWrocks3388 2 months ago
Your quote is off. Sentinel says, "Optimus, all I wanted was the survival of our race. You must see why I had to betray you." Well, Optimus is too self righteous to see that he too, had fallen back on his ideals.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 what about "What you must realise, my autobot brothers. that we where never going to win the war... for the sake of our planets survival, a deal had to be made with "Megatron" - Sentinel Prime on killing Ironhide. so he already betrayed the autobots long before they where here on earth "He was ment to rendevouz with me here on earth"- Megatron.
WoWrocks3388 2 months ago
And your point is...? He made the deal with megatron a few days before he departed Cybertron and landed in a coma. To him, the whole span of events may have only been one week to him.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 to him yes, but it still stands, Sentinel betrayed the autobots by 1. He killed ironhide and launched pillars to let deceptions destroy a whole city 2. He worked/joined with the decepticons that why his eyes turn slightly purple
WoWrocks3388 2 months ago
1. His sacrifice was necessary and it was a smart move on SP's part as Ironhide was the second most dangerous autobot. I can also say that Optimus betrayed humans by not defending the city while under seige.
2. His eyes don't turn purple because he joined the Decepticons! It's a symbolic indication to illustrate the corruption/fall of Sentinel. And the second meaning is that only Sentinel is the one that wants to join both groups into one race, hence purple.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
I am not denying that Sentinel is a traitor, but at least he had good reason to. You're pretty naive if you also thought that Optimus always stuck with his ideals and wasn't a traitor himself.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 i said he "worked/joined" with the decepticons, that means that he "joined with" that means he worked together + i said the eyes turn slightly purple not fully since most is still blue. and yes he was corrupted, thats what leaded to betraying the autobots hence he is a traitor
WoWrocks3388 2 months ago
Working with =/= Join. Join means that Sentinel has become a decepticon, which he hasn't. A fallen autobot does not equal to decepticon. Yea, and optimus is a traitor too.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 "joined with" definition: To put or bring into close association or relationship, To act together; form an alliance. Optimus didnt betray the autobots all autobots abandoned cybertron cuz there is nothing left of it and optimus doesnt want to enslave sentient beings to rebuild cybertron with the decepticons cuz well 1. he is a prime 2. he is a autobot
WoWrocks3388 2 months ago
I can prove you wrong, as there was still Autobot resistance AFTER optimus left, that's why Shockwave was left in charge AFTER Megatron chased the AS. Optimus's team =/= ALL autobots. Optimus didn't betray the "autobots", he betrayed his own ideals at some points and betrayed his race and planet. A prime has NOTHING to do with slavery. How do you think the Prime dynasty built harvesters, CYBERTRONIANS SLAVES!
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 his race and planet? the planet was in a civil war! destroyed,ravaged!
there was nothing but war... what would you do if you where in a war country? look at the middle east those ppl try to flee from all the fighting too! it isnt the fault of optimus that the prime dynasty failed....
WoWrocks3388 2 months ago
The planet was ravaged and COULD be still saved, but he turned his back when he THOUGHT he lost the war (he was close in killing Megatron and let him go when Sentinel left in the Ark). Then it isn't the fault of Sentinel that the Autobots had lost the war and it isn't his fault that he tried to pursue for peace by making a treaty with Megatron then.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456
Killing someone in cold blood (or Energon in this case) is never acceptable in my eyes. There are no necessery sacrifices to be justified. If you have to make a sacrifice you've already made a massive mistake before hand.
Whatever future Ironhide had was taken from him, by Sentinel. There will forever be a hole in the hearts of the Autobots and people like Lennox, who was good friends with him, because of Sentinel. How can that ever be justified?
bob1986 2 months ago
That is not a good case to make. I can say that Sentinel's future or the MANY Cybertronian lives/futures were stolen from them when Optimus declared the civil war. And what future? What about the decepticons' future? Some of them probably joined because it was the winning side and the war would end faster. Well, if they resisted, they would die by Megatron. What about the lives that Ironhide took? Surely, they must had futures for them too...How can THAT be justified.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456
Nearly all Decepticons opted for the path of bringing misery and suffering to others. Once you opt for that, you forfeit your future. Ironhide was always shown defending others. The people he killed? Smashing up innocents or attacking others.
Ironhide was a good guy. Most (ie, all Decepticons shown on screen.) were oppressing others.
bob1986 2 months ago
Killing somebody in cold blood is unacceptable, I agree. But that can also be made by Optimus towards Sentinel and Demolisher. It wasn't even at the height of battle that Optimus killed both, but after the fighting was over. Did Optimus give a chance for the wounded Demolisher to join the Autobots? Nope. What about the weakened Sentinel? MB trashed OP's character into making him as ruthless as the decepticons. Would Optimus been more merciful, he may have exiled sentinel from the earth.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456
Except Ironhide hadn't done a thing to Sentinel. Where as both of them had smashed up humans, attacked Autobots, and Sentinel had been seconds from killing Optimus.
Again they are actively bringing harm to innocents. Ironhide was not, unless you somehow consder the Dreads innocent. Hint: They weren't, they started the fight, and were given a geninue oppertunity to walk away, and used said oppertunity for a sneak attack.
bob1986 2 months ago
So? Humans are no longer innocent once they were drawn into the war. If I remember correctly, it was the Autobots that sent the Allspark in Earth's direction (untintentionally, but still). You said NEARLY all decepticons. wait, wtf? you give up your future? What the hell is that logic, and who are YOU to judge if one has no future or not. EVERYONE has a future, although it may not be a desirable future, but at least if you live, you can make w.e you can out of your future.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456
If your future is just causing others pain. You don't deserve it. Or anything for that matter.
In other words you bring others pain and death, you deserve pain and death.
bob1986 2 months ago
Remember, it's YOU who believes they don't deserve a future. That still doesn't go against my view. In that even if you are causing pain, that is STILL a future. Even, if it means taking the future away from others. Optimus doesn't have to repair him, just send him away from Earth, without weapons and his motivation to fight (Cybertron), that is even a harsher punishment than death. Sentinel fought for Cybertron, with his motivation lost, what is there left to fight for?
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
Okay, using that logic. Humans have brought nothing but suffering and misery upon themselves and nature. With that, then surely humans don't deserve a future either. In fact, I think nature is biting us in the back now for that. or how about that saying, "If you don't go to uni, you won't have a future." Do you believe in that? I sure don't. Future is what you make out of it, even from others' expenses.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456
I'd almost agree with you. Except I haven't quite given up on humanity yet, although we still need alot of work. But I see enough kind and decent people in my life, to think we still have a slim chance.
I'm actually using the term future figuratively though. I don't mean your literal future.
bob1986 2 months ago
Fine, I'll leave most of it here. You have your values and I have mine. Both of us have our future, albeit it may not be favourable to one of us. Both of us have our ideal TF role models, yours; is OP, mine is SP. As long as I respect your values as much as you respect mine, then that is fine.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
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@KiraXBara456
Sry, not "albeit it may not be favourable to one of us" I meant either or both of us. Typo.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 Lol you guys went deep into the convo i read it twice so much detail in something small you guys are very attached to transformers (as am i)
habibhabibhabibgdsfe 2 months ago
Well, it's not only our attachment to transformers, but for me, I am one of the RARE Sentinel fans, who saw more indepth about his character rather than the whole oh Sentinel kills Ironhide, therefore he's a bastard that deserves to die. In this movie alone with comics, there's so much about Sentinel and his fall as a tragic hero. With symbolism in this movie, his eye/armour colour, the Matrix scene and etc. Even the theme illustrates how deep Sentinel's character is.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago 2
@KiraXBara456 Thats a very true comment. I understand exactly what you are saying. I wasn't fully aware of how discretely they portrayed deep into sentinel's character. Made me think for a while.... And i agree with your point that sentinel wasn't really traitor or a villain and that there was much more than meets the eye.
habibhabibhabibgdsfe 2 months ago 23
@habibhabibhabibgdsfe
Indeed he's not a villain, his character is meant to be intelligent, he just tried to save it's own world.
SutkasFan 2 months ago
@habibhabibhabibgdsfe
Tried to save it's own world with no choosing a way of it, just to save it...
SutkasFan 2 months ago
@habibhabibhabibgdsfe
yeah but he still murdered Ironhide so he deserved to die LoL And yes ! Before everyone tells me it isn't real. I know but fuck me I wish it was : )
FreeThinker148 2 months ago in playlist scores
@FreeThinker148
With that thinking, I can say that Ironhide deserves to die for killing my fav. Dread (who was badass in the freeway fight). It doesn't take much effort to judge one's deeds according to action, but it takes much more to analyse their thinking and motivations behind it.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 Not to burst your bubble, but you're not in some "rare" group because you were able to identify character development. Many people who saw the movie were able to understand Sentinel as a character, granted they were above the age of 14. The specific topic that is disputed is not WHY Sentinel did it, but the fact that it was, in the eyes of much of the audience, inhumane.
Firejack95 2 months ago
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We raise them to be beasts of burden, or as food. So yes, we do enslave them, even keeping them in zoos/cages. The fact that they are lower or higher level intelligence MEANS nothing, it's the fact that they could feel PAIN and emotions is the definition of being sentient. To Sentinel, we are the equivalent of cattle or ants to him, and he's not exactly wrong either.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@habibhabibhabibgdsfe but they were taking over a planet of 7 billion people. You ppl are very misinformed. the dcons wanted to kill 7 billions of us for their own good. We had nothing to do with the war, and the autobots know that freedom is the right of all sentient beings. Remember, Optimus has seen goodness in us since the 1st movie. So he is fighting for GOOD. Cybertron was destroyed due to war between bots nd cons-NOT humans. the bots know that. thats the def between GOOD and EVIL.
ChannelAshleyS 3 weeks ago
@ChannelAshleyS Just a correction, the decepticons wanted to enslave the human race, not the kill them
Wals141 2 weeks ago
@Wals141
And next, the humans were a bonus objective to the decepticons, as they were only using the planet that the AS landed on to rebuild Cybertron.
KiraXBara456 2 weeks ago
@Wals141 Megatron, from Transformers I : "Humans don't deserve to live."
The94Venom 1 week ago
@Wals141 they wanted to enslave some of the humans, those that were easly manipulated, but they dont like humans at all, as some1 pointed out Megatron himself said "humans dont deserve to live", so they werent really planning on keeping the whole population as slaves
MrEliiz 1 week ago
@MrEliiz
Well, that's only if you go by the game plot and remember, Megatron was kept frozen by humans for who knows how many years, he had every reason to hate humans.
KiraXBara456 1 week ago
@ChannelAshleyS
No, that;s the difference of what YOU THINK and what YOUR beliefs are good and evil.
KiraXBara456 2 weeks ago
@habibhabibhabibgdsfe remember, "we cant let the humans pay 4 our mistakes."
ChannelAshleyS 3 weeks ago
@KiraXBara456 I agree
hes not just megs you know i deserve to rule so ill kill people
he is doing what he knows is right but from his stand point
to everyone else hes a bad guy
i thought leonard nimoy did a great voice job, btw anyone catch his reference to star trek 3 the wrath of kahn?
oh and again btw
he was a fucking prick for killing ironhide
shoot ratchet
he didnt do anything in nearly 3 movies
Ketangi 2 months ago
Well, you can think of it like this. Sentinel kind of killed Ironhide because he was the biggest threat other than Optimus (with the big guns and all), and spared Optimus the first time because of his attachment to his pupil.
Yea, I agree that Leonard did an excellent job, the only problem I had for the movie was that the whole job/parent scene should have been used to further develop Sentinel's character instead.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 Mmm, my only real criticism is that he kept saying he wished to be a God. hat made him more arrogant than need be, aside from that he was a complex character with regard to his motivations, he clearly took no pleasure in the conflict and was enraged at Megatron insinuating that he was now one of them (decepticons) "I have deigned to work WITH you, I will never work FOR you"
NickStedmon 2 months ago
If we were a race of "gods", most of us would think the same. It's not different from MOST humans either, in which they believe that nature exists to bend to our will's. While Sentinel voiced it in words, humans thought the same. And next, we know that he's desperate and practically losing his mind in the process while trying to protect his race/planet. That is what makes him a tragic hero.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 Couldn't agree more. His actions were bad but his intentions were good. The mind can drive one to desperate measures when achieving a goal.
achillesbeast 2 months ago
(sighs), so what about those other Cybertronians that had "lives" before the civil war? Did Optimus give a thought about that when he opposed Megatron? Doubt it. His beliefs were more important than his race's lives.
And so, Optimus can show that he can be merciful by exiling Sentinel, he could see that Sentinel has lost everything and had no more intent to fight after his planet blew up. And that he doesn't go dark himself. You said it yourself, killing doesn't make everything right.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456
Best I can tell, Megatron started the whole war. Optimus only reacted to it.
Sentinel was wounded and near death. Assuming he did the humane thing and repaired him, and let him leave, what would stop Sentinel from trying again? Sentinel's last words make it clear he doesn't believe he's wrong. Or just come for revenge.
bob1986 2 months ago
Megatron ordered the arrest of Optimus and his followers, but Optimus resisted, thus sparking the war. So hence, BOTH are equal of starting the war.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
@KiraXBara456 Just because one country has the most nuclear weapons doesn't mean they will use them. The reason the USA has the most is because of the cold war, and the reason they made so many was because they didn't want to use them. Both Russia and the USA knew that if they scared the other side, nuclear weapons would most likely not be used because it would cause total destruction on both sides. The middle east was and still is creating nuclear weapons with no good reason to.
MAriNeMandM 1 month ago
By the Cold war, both USA and Russia have enough nukes to destroy the Earth SEVERAL times over. So destroying it once is not enough for them? Using them as a deterrent? Then they are excessively doing so. Middle East has EVERY right to create nukes to protect themselves, and America is NOT the sole judge of who should/not get nukes. And now, the Cold war is over, so why does America still need to create nuclear weapons then?
KiraXBara456 1 month ago
@KiraXBara456 It is not just America that is nervous about them creating nukes. It is pretty much all of the UN plus many other countries. No country has any right to create nuclear weapons at this time because they have no good reason to do so. Oh, and you have your facts wrong because America has stopped making nuclear weapons.
MAriNeMandM 1 month ago
I stand corrected, as I just found out that the states is slowly reducing it's stockpile. And, with how America/Nato has been invading other countries, I;d say many counties would want nukes to deter an invasion.
KiraXBara456 1 month ago
@KiraXBara456 and if you watched TF2 you would know that they refused to share weapons technology with the humans, cuz it would only lead to more destruction and war...
WoWrocks3388 2 months ago
@WoWrocks3388
WHy does the sharing even matter anymore? The humans can just dig up all those dead Decepticons and reverse engineer their weaponry without telling the Autobots.
KiraXBara456 2 months ago
Fuck Sintinel!!! I hate his big red ,rusty ass bitch. He dont diserve wonderfull music like this. He suck ass. I hate him. He tried to kill Optimus, he killed Ironhide,and brought a fuck load of rusty dying decipticons. If he was real would you like him?? Sintinel sucks the autobots asses.Stupid Bitch!!!
lalaladalia 3 months ago
Sentinel Prime is the James Bond of transformer. lol, if you know what I mean
letuhieuthien 3 months ago
Hans zimmer- safe passage?? hm yes it is :)
Tugaforce1 3 months ago
Sentinel Prime was not a traitor, he was the savior of their race
MrWilliamLenox 3 months ago 8
@MrWilliamLenox yeah, the Decepticon race
Drak3e1 3 months ago
Autobots and Decepticons are ONE race, but two different groups with different ideologies. So yes, Sentinel is the savior of his race (had he succeeded).
KiraXBara456 3 months ago 3
@Drak3e1 Sentinel Prime want to save the Cybertron,NOTHING ELSE
MrWilliamLenox 3 months ago
@MrWilliamLenox he betrayed himself because the rule of the primes is to never harm a planet with life under any circumstances.... so he is a traitor
WoWrocks3388 3 months ago
The rule was to NOT destroy a planet with life. And the Prime Dynasty was LONG gone. It was Sentinel that brought the glory back. Slavery =/= Destroy. And I could say that Optimus is a traitor for siding with humanity and destroying Cybertron.
KiraXBara456 3 months ago
@WoWrocks3388
And next, if he betrayed the ideals of the Prime Dynasty, then clearly, he is even more self-sacrificing if he had to sacrifice his honour and self so that his race and planet could live on.
KiraXBara456 3 months ago
@KiraXBara456 if he plans on enslaving humans and destroying and destroying all life on the planet for rescources then he is a traitor.....
WoWrocks3388 3 months ago
@MrWilliamLenox you're right
carlos43135 3 months ago
@carlos43135 thanks
MrWilliamLenox 3 months ago
@ToyCollector14 I don't like him but I don't hate him
Optimus was the dumbass kissing the humans ass
DrunkinCatFish 3 months ago
@ToyCollector14 Yeah he's gay? That's coming from "ToyCollector"
DrunkinCatFish 3 months ago
I don't mind Ironhide dying by the way. It probably gave Optimus his rage, since he and Ironhide where always the best of friends. I just don't like the manner in which he died. Not saying Sentinel shouldn't have killed him, but I just think Iron hide was the most underutilized character in the whole story. 3 movies and Ironhide never fired those big guns of his except to blow up the street and tell a beautiful by-stander to move in slow motion.
jlittle1998 3 months ago
@jlittle1998
He was also the only non Optimus or Bee Autobot to get any visable character development, going from thinking the humans were primiative and not worth their time in the first movie, to sticking with them in the sequel when Ratchet wanted to leave following Optimus's death.
Personally I think it'll be a waste if the films continue without him.
bob1986 3 months ago
i loveee this song :)
shawndell14111 3 months ago
You killed iron hide :(
ziiichu 3 months ago
The fallen started this whole war ... I think the fallen should of been in the last movie instead of the 2nd .. Sentinel should of been the start of the second .
SuperOptimus217 3 months ago
What should have happened is have Optimus die in the end of the second movie, thus the Fallen's "revenge" is complete and have Sentinel/Optimus return in the third movie.
KiraXBara456 3 months ago 2
@KiraXBara456 But if Optimus died then who would of killed the fallen and I think there wouldn't be a transformer 3
SuperOptimus217 3 months ago
@SuperOptimus217
Sentinel will.
KiraXBara456 3 months ago
@SuperOptimus217 If Optimus had stayed dead, he could have been resurrected in the 3rd movie. The Matrix should have been an artifact hidden in the Ark along with the pillars, then you wouldn't have needed Sentinel's betrayal story because Optimus and or Sentinel could have defeated the fallen and Megatron. Sentinel then passes the Matrix to Optimus who then becomes a true prime and dies.
jlittle1998 3 months ago
Sentinel did what he had to do, he fought for his home planet. and don't tell me you wouldn't fight for yours. He's like patriot, but to a planet. Stop bitching about sentinel being a backstabber. He makes mistakes sure, which would make him more human. R.I.P Sentinel - Like a god to us, besides. most of these people deserve to die (just pointing at the in-human ones) :)
SentinelPrime316 3 months ago
Another one that agrees with me, it's that only Sentinel managed to look at the BIGGER picture, in contrast to his 2 students.
KiraXBara456 3 months ago
@SentinelPrime316
No. I wouldn't. I don't believe in explioting people weaker than me, and if I had to choose between saving my race at the expense of another, I'd risk extinction and look for another way. I couldn't live with myself otherwise.
bob1986 3 months ago
well sentinel is dead(YAY!) and a reboot of the series following the G1 storyline is upcoming. They were going to continue this take on it but with everyone dead and cybertron destroyed theres nothing left. Rot in hell sentinal this is me signing off.
shadovex28 3 months ago
@shadovex28
Another reboot?! Fuk no! Leave the classics alone!
KiraXBara456 3 months ago
@KiraXBara456 heh you know hollywood, LETS REMAKE EVERYTHING!!!......plus the writers ended this story line with the third one. even Michael bay & Shia Labouf when asked to do another transformers movie said, "No" . So they either reboot and start fresh (which hasbro loves because they sell more toys) or come out with crappy sequels equivalent to the free willy saga (which they are also trying to remake). I vote remake over possibly seeing Ben afleck stand next to optimus.
shadovex28 3 months ago
Can asking for a prequel too much to ask? I rather they expand more on Sentinel's betrayal and how the Golden Age became the destruction that we know today.
Too many people are asking for Galvatron, but think about it. Megatron has been revived ONCE already, not again!
And yes, I blame Hollywood and oh boy, do I dread to think of the potential crappy writers and story.
KiraXBara456 3 months ago
@KiraXBara456 I think they are trying to go with the War for cybertron/Fall of cybertron/G1 & Transformers prime story line next.
shadovex28 3 months ago