"But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. “Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes!"
Be careful my friend, modesty is very necessary. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Phil. 2:12
@hunter7754 "Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire" - 1 Tim. 2:9...
... Man-made rule? This is in the Bible, The Almighty God's own Word. This is HIS rule, not ours. Whether a person lusts or not isn't the point, it's obedience, because He said to.
Paul was a very important person in the Bible though. My assumption was that he was talking to women that got annoyed with men lusting after them. Also Paul wanted them to dress modestly to lessen temptation of lust not only for the people but for himself
all that to say, its not so much how you look or how you dress that defines you as a Christian,
it is through your actions and beliefs but faith most importantly.
@hunter7754 so you're saying that none of the men, around 40 in all, who were jewish prophets and/or apostles, with a direct connection in communication with and by the Holy Spirit of YHWH and disciples taught by the Messiah Himself with Divine Inspiration from the mouth of the Almighty Himself, matter at all?
@mikeyboy86 Either you accept that the Almighty spoke through them or you do what the Word Himself said was evil, take away from Scripture. You can't choose what is Truth and what's not from WITHIN the Scriptures. The Bible either is or is not the Word of God. You have to choose whether it's all true, or none of it is. Again, you need to be INCREDIBLY careful and cautious, you're speaking very VERY dangerous words and assuming too much in light of eternity.
So you make the 10 Commandments obsolete? My friend, Yahshuah Himself said that He didn't come to destroy the Torah (The "Law), that not even one mark will be removed from it until Heaven and Earth pass away. Heaven and Earth are STILL here. "If you love me you will obey my commands."
No do not judge a person's CHARACTER for how they appear on the outside, but what's in their heart. But still, any, ANY, declarative statement directed at a believer in the Bible IS a command. cont..
@hunter7754 dude... read the context, this passage has absolutely NOTHING to do with dress. He's referring to Holy rights on the Sabbath Day. Read the context before you try to use it for your own purposes, it just confirms my beliefs that you're not well learned in the Scriptures.
that verse more referring to Christians that basically scare away other believers and cause them to stumble in their faith.
as for the adultery , seriously, learn some self control. Thats one of the fruits of the spirit.
and as for what he says about lustful thoughts, he made a good point though, but the verse wasn't talking specifically about adultery.He was showing how our thoughts are just as important as our words and actions
@hunter7754 um, duh? I don't mean to be mean, but I think you may finally be getting what I've been saying to you this whole time. YES! The Bible is talking to BELIEVERS! You're finally getting it!
He meant exactly what He said, "If you lust, you HAVE committed adultery."
Yes, learn self-control. But don't be so disconnected from the world around you. 99% of men in America struggle with pornography, and I've seen your youtube friends... breasts revealed and all.
@hunter7754 I'll grant you it wasn't His MAIN point, but inevitably, it was A point. You can't disregard one Truth statement simply because it wasn't His "main" point.
@hunter7754 When you say it's "principal", you're ripping pages out of the Bible. You should treat EVERY word in the Bible as sacred.
Think of this. When Yahshuah said that if you even LOOK upon a woman to lust after her you have committed adultery with her already in your heart. Adultery is a sin, worthy of stoning in the OT and worthy of hell through Scripture and you're going to just passively say you don't have to dress modestly? The Bible says "Woe to you to causes another to stumble".
@hunter7754 They're only unclear and vague to someone who doesn't study them and live by what they say. The more you obey, the more is revealed to you. This is a law just like gravity.
Christianity has a list of rules. Yes it does. And we are meant to obey them, but living FOR the Messiah and the Almighty isn't MERELY following a set of rules, it is Love, all the fruits of the Spirit. But it is also obedience. It's all of it. But it's GOD centered. "Not my will, but your will."
@hunter7754 Well maybe I can clear some things up for you. I know that sounds arrogant but I've been actively teaching Scripture for around ten years now and have found many hiccups the english translators have made. Most of the gray areas are because people like the KJV translators goofed up. I have been studying the Hebrew and Greek passages, I suppose it's why I'm so confident in the Bible now. I lose sleep over my findings. But please, by all means, I'd love to help clear up some things. :)
@hunter7754 To clarify what I said, I lose sleep over the things that those who only read the english version are totally unaware of. I fear the majority of Christians are in a lot of danger, they simply don't know the Truth, only think they do. "Those who say LORD LORD I will say depart from me, for I never knew you." I know this alone sounds simple enough, but really, it's worse that we all previously thought... but anyways, that's only one example.
@hunter7754 Yes, they are Paul's words... but as the Bible says, "All Scripture is God Breathed." Paul is merely the messenger, YHWH the author. This is the most basic of Biblical truths, you didn't know this?
Anyways, again, the verse SCREAMS clearly, yet you still cannot see it. Dress modestly, don't dress in expensive flashy clothing or jewelry. You're trying to make this more difficult than it is. The Bible isn't complicated, as long as you take it for what it says.
@hunter7754 The "traditions" Yahshuah refers to here is called takanot. It's phariseeism. Still practiced today by the Pharisees and several orthodoxy jews. Has nothing to do with dressing modestly as a command. And in Your other comment on "Joy in the morning" and all... This is the difference between documentary and commentary. This was a song of praise written in King David's own memoirs. I was a personal song of praise directed, not at believers, but to YHWH, the Almighty.
@hunter7754 And that's my point. God, and "The LORD", isn't His name. The Bible was changed by the "early church fathers" because they didn't want people saying or knowing the true name of the Almighty. So anytime you see GOD or LORD in all caps in your Bible, that's where they changed it from YHWH to that. The Bible says, "Anyone who calls on the name of YHWH shall be saved." Not "The LORD or GOD", but YHWH (pronounced YHWH). Baal means "Lord". I'll let you put the pieces together.
Lord in the bible is adonai in Hebrew. Yes, LORD and GOD int he KJV is Yahweh. But let's not get all religious. Your father has a proper name but do you call him by that? NO, you call him father, dad, daddy, and so on. He knows our heart when we call on Him but whatever title we use.
@mikebarnes1976 My Dad is not the Creator of all things, including the Torah, the Holy Instructions that we are all commanded to live according to. So he is irrelevant in this case. YHWH COMMANDED us to proclaim His name, and to call out to His NAME for salvation. Religious? No, not in this case. I'm being obedient. If you'll persecute me for that, then thank you. I want to call Him what HE wants to be called, not what I feel like He'll forgive me for calling Him.
@mikebarnes1976 cont.. And yes, He does know our hearts. He even says what He thinks of our hearts in the Bible, "The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked." Jer. 17
Jeans for guys is one thing. I thought this was about women wearing jeans. Women shouldn't wear jeans, I don't see a problem with men wearing them though.
@Figsx So men are set free, but women are not? That's extremely hypocritical.Romans 1:16 says " For i am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God that brings salvation to ANYONE who believes." it does not say any man, or any woman, or any jew, or any greek, but ANYONE. That means that Jesus sets each and every one of us free. Women are free to wear jeans, or skirts or shorts that are modest. it is for freedom He set us free!
@hunter7754 Y'know, I could just as easily ask you, "whats wrong with you? is Gods word not enough???"
Yahshuah's words you are quoting, He was speaking to the Pharisees. But not what you may think. He was referring to their takanot. A word I'm sure you're unfamiliar with. You should read a book titled, "The Greek Jesus VS the Hebrew Yeshua". You'll see and hopefully learn exactly what I've been trying to tell you this whole time. I pray your sleep is uneasy until you learn this truth.
Francis Chan brought me back to God. I had fallen away from my Father. I reluctantly attended a service at Cornerstone. This man showed me in 1 hour what I should've seen over the last 12 years. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. JESUS IS MY SAVIOR. I truly believe God put me at that church at that time to hear that life-saving message. Francis Chan, I sincerely thank you for leading me back to my Savior. Jodana Sykes
intention is ok.. here.. but the message is decieving.. If you are a Christ lover.. You sure will care about Not becoming a stumbling block in another person's spiritual life by the way you dress or you make up ! Modesty is a Must... Here the preacher says Kiddish things " Not to zip up the pant"... How foolish would that be if he has not done so in public knowingly... ! Freedom in Christ is not to be misused based on your own comfort.. !! Be Humble & Seek the Lord ! Please refrain from false !
@jinu03 1) Before the message began someone informed him his fly was open and he zipped it up; people laughed, he was referring to that. 2) The Bible shows disgust at people who dress up, but shows modesty is the only code Yahweh has. 3) Listen to his whole message at the cornerstonesimi page under media and messages. "Grace grace grace". You'll see your comment is misplaced. 4) This man has done more for this planet that any of us has probably even done in our community, show some respect.
@mikeyboy86 God has done things through this man.* It bugs me when people give all the glory to a human, and not to the one that created said human and helps push them along.
@MrWaerloga For sure, and praise God for what He's done through this man's obedience. But I'll remind you that even YHWH defended the "man" as recorded in the Bible. Miriam spoke against her brother Moses in Numbers, YHWH said this man is different, don't dare speak against him in this way, and He struck her with leprosy. There's even a chapter in the NT dedicated to the faith of MAN, uplifting man's faith and obedience. Don't speak against the anointed man of God. That was my point.
@jinu03 It seems you are taking it too literal brother, imagine those pentecostal pastors who would condemn us for wearing casual dress on Sunday service in India, and would call that as a mark of casualness, we need to come out of those narrow mind, freedom in Christ is definitely not being misused here, these are some of the outward things that we have emphasized missing the truth, lets get real brother. By the way I do respect your opinion, Love in Christ, may God bless you.
Tithing is NEVER in the form of money in the Bible. Tithing in the Bible was ALWAYS agricultural. Prominent people began to tell a lie of tithing $ and applying it to EVERYONE instead of only a select group as it was in the Bible. Today, the church is pressured into thinking that 10% of every paycheck belongs to church leadership. In Malachi, when the Word says "Will a man rob God..." and refers to robbing Him in tithes and offerings, he's talking to the leaders who stole from the storehouse!
@IdahoVS This is true, however today hardly anyone really keeps farms, all their income is in the form of money. I don't give to my "local church", but I do make sure to give to charities dedicated to the relief of human suffering (The hungry, human trafficking, etc.), because of the law which states, "Whatsoever you sow, that you shall reap". And by law I mean as gravity is a law, so is "give and receive".
@mikeyboy86 As carpenters, Joseph and Jesus wouldn't have tithed under the Law. In Deut. 14, where it speaks of tithing in the Law, it says that if the place God appointed for those who were to tithe was too far away, then they were to sell their tithe in exchange for money and then use it for whatever their hearts desired. In Malachi, those who were "robbing God" were priests who were taking part of the storehouse tithe for themselves. The storehouse tithe was once every three years.
@IdahoVS Interestingly you're using Yashua as an argument against tithing when He applauded people for giving up everything... Whether it is commanded int he Torah or not, I'd still rather give to those who haven't got anything to keep themselves alive rather than horde it all for myself.
@mikeyboy86 Oh, I believe in giving. I just don't like how pastors abuse people these days. Law tithing was once per year when a family would share a meal with a priest. Every third year, it was to go to the storehouse to feed the sin offering priests, widows, orphans, strangers, etc. Now, we have pastors who tell widows, etc. that they're required to give 10% of every paycheck, so they can buy millionaire homes. preesi.lefora.com/2010/10/25/the-houses-of-well-known-televangelists/
@IdahoVS You are right their giving was once a year. Because they were an agriculture based economy. You generally only get one harvest a year. They were required to give 1/10 of their increase. However if we recieve a paycheck once a week, We recieve an increase once a week. Paul told us to give cheerfully. We do owe God a portion of our income. After all it is his anyway. The question we have to ask our churches is how are these tithes being used? Are we helping people or are getting stuff
@IdahoVS The damning nature of the passage in Malachi relates to the fact that the Priests were having to work secular Jobs and steal from the storehouse.
May I make a suggestion, try me now in this sayeth God and will I not open the doors of heaven and poor out a blessing that you cannot contain.
The robbery was that "stingyness" had overtaken generosity towards the house of God. That which was intended to be done out of thankfulness and love was being done out of legalism.
@historicslunk we were grafted into THEIR covenant. On Judgment day he will say, " the park for me you worker of iniquity", iniquity is translated from anomia, which is from Hebrew meaning to be without Torah, which is the "Law". The whole Bible was written to "The Jew first, then the gentile,". However I am Messianic more over being a Christian. Christ is a greek term, Messiah is a Hebrew term, and I want to get back to the roots.
You also have to consider that the Torah Commands us not to have sex with animals... Something that is not commanded in the new testament, so is that to say that it is okay to have sex with animals since the Torah does not apply to christians?! Just food for thought.
@mikeyboy86 It would be churlish to say you are wrong but may I point out something which I think may help. I don't believe the Law has any power over the Christian, the law is a school-teacher though and it does teach us that generosity, towards the house of God AND towards the poor, is blessed.
@mikeyboy86 It would be churlish to say you are wrong but may I point out something which I think may help. I don't believe the Law has any power over the Christian, the law is a school-teacher though and it does teach us that generosity, towards the house of God AND towards the poor, is blessed.
@IdahoVS Yea but in acts you see people tithing a monetary unit. The pre-cross era they tithed with land and such, but after the cross they gave money. Tithing is giving a percent (ideally 10% like in the old testament) of your comfort (whether it being savings and such) and trusting God with it.
@IdahoVS Your view is your view.. But let me add this: Money is a medium of exchange. The exchange is for assets. The assets ultimately come back to the fact that you exchanged time and brain power. God wants a portion of it. So tell me again if we should tithe money or not?
@IdahoVS YOU tithe a tithe of your increase, irrespective of what sort it is, weather agriculture, monetary,....And the Bible says obey those that have the rule OVER you, thats spiritual rule, 'Pastors' because they watchout for your souls, that is to say, they strive to keep you equipt to live right throught the preaching. And as such I think it wise to follow the leadership you place your self under, and if they say to bring a tithe which is BIBLICAL even before the LAW bring it.
So, so, SO TRUE! Man, that gives me so much relief. There's no RIGHT way to live if you know the love and grace of Christ because you're going to do the right things anyway because of the Holy Spirit that lives inside of you... So there's absolutely NOTHING I can do to take away His love for me... That's an amazing concept, and I hope I never forget it. Man. Praise God!
@misstalentedusa what you just said made no sense. if there no RIGHT way to live. then how are you supposed to do the right thing? think before you speak fool.
-Happy are those who are free from sin, who love the Lord that made them, who fear God who created them, who glorify the savior who saved them. How I envy the Bride of Christ to know that I'm forever lost in sin. I can only grieve in selfishness but not able to love selflessly. There are those who know the truth but are to weak to conform to it due to the lack of having true faith. I feel like all I do is wander around in darkness. Why was I born if I am to burn in shamefulness forever?
@wanastunt EXACTLY! That's the very thing Francis Chan here has been saying for the past few years. I'm actually planning on uploading the two messages of his that focus on that very point.
Thanks so much for that comment, it's nice to know there are Christians out there that get this.
@mikeyboy86 And btw, I accidentally "removed" your comment... didn't mean to, sorry :/ If you'd like to re-post it, go for it, I'll approve it next time, ha ha.
For the most part, it doesn't matter so long as your appearance doesn't cause someone else to sin in their heart. Modesty is still necessary. And yes, that should be the rule seven days a week.
but people can have the same lust in there heart to dress clothes as much as cashual some people think dress clothes are sexy and short skirts arnt lol im definitly not saying wear short skirts lol
i know we have to be the same 7 days a week .. however, it's not appropriate to go to the church, wearing beach clothes .. you wouldn't wear that going for the job interview, would you ??
i don't think we need to make a big deal of what we should wear to go to the church .. just wear whatever we feel comfortable with, and at the same time .. something that do not put us on the spotlight (yeah, refer to the "dress code")
@100tuyetvan Totally agreed. Would we wear jeans to meet the President of the United States? No. Out of respect, we dress up! Same as going to church.
@swarey1 Though the point of the entire message here is that God doesn't even care about that. He doesn't pay it any attention, He doesn't even command it. That's why to preach or even say that dressing up matters is totally unbiblical, and we need to watch our doctrines.
However, if it is YOUR way of glorifying the Lord, then do it, but don't make it something you teach others to do, because I glorify God by dressing the way I do the rest of the week, and by who I am.
@swarey1 And yeah, I probably would wear jeans and shirt to meet the president, he's just ar man after all. Besides, Obama is about "change", right? He'd probably welcome it while he rejects placing his hand over his heart during the national anthem.
as christian brother we should life are president up with encourageing and prayerful words ur words have power. pray for him dont bash him. are opinion doesnt matter God ordains authority
@swarey1 that's how the temple was during Jesus' time too. How far did proper dress get the Pharisees? Good thing the blind, beggars, sluts,tax collectors and crippled,dirty downtrodden people who were healed loved, and changed forever by Christ didn't have to dress nice. I teach Sunday school, I travel in an evangelistic christian rock band, and on accasion I do special musc on Sunday's. I go to a conservative Fundementalist church. I have a mohawk, a long goatee tattered jeans and a T-shirt!
@100tuyetvan I guess that God does see the outside and that affects how he loves us. No, never. God loves us and the clothes we wear doesn't change his love or how good of a Christian one is. It's about the heart. Refer to John the Baptist.
I have no problem preaching Grace, as long as it the Grace of God that brings salvation, that has appeared to all men, teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.
2:57 ... i'm free to do whatever, the only thing i'm in bondage to, is ... LOVE
i totally agree .. amen ...
however, i wonder if anyone could tell me how they feel - when they go to the church and see such things as :
1. while everybody around sits motionlessly .. the couple in front of you (the guy keeps MOVING his hand on the girl's neck, shoulder, arm) .. they're in love? but you're distracted from the sermon??
2. a woman wearing a low cut shirt (or s/t like that)
@100tuyetvan I've had similar questions asked of me before. My only answer is the Bible is so clear on dress code... modesty. I believe if a woman has love, she'll be loving enough to not put someone (a man) in a situation where he's given more of an opportunity to lust.
As for the touchy/feely in church, not quite sure really, I think it's a beautiful display of affection and it speaks loudly of the Holy Spirit's loving interaction with us, but I just say be careful how far one takes it.
@mikeyboy86 Romans 14:19-21 .. Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but IT IS WRONG FOR A PERSON TO eat ANYTHING THAT CAUSES SOMEONE ELSE TO STUMBLE. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
i bring up these verses, which are not directly related to my questions, because they're talking about "food"
@mikeyboy86 i don't mean to judge anyone . i just want people to be more considerate of other people . that's all ... example, if i take my (g/b) friend going to church with me .. at the sermon, i keep moving my hand on their body to show my affection .. the question is .. could either of us concentrate on the sermon ?? .. what is the point of going to the church ?? .. if myself can't put my mind on God , i shouldn't stop other people to put their minds on God , right ??
@100tuyetvan Of course though, "church" as you described (everyone sitting, facing forward) isn't Biblical. Francis Chan actually talks about this really heavily in one of his messages which you can find at the cornerstonesimi site podcast (cornerstonesimi is the website). It's the only one of the messages called "The Gospel Conference" that he spoke himself, it's part 5 spoken on 4/05/09. Great message. Woke me up to what church really is and was intended to be.
@mikeyboy86 but the point is that .. we shouldn't do anything to CAUSE OTHERS TO STUMBLE , such as
1. the dress code that you mentioned
2. about the affection .. i know it's nice to show the affection in a church .. how about .. instead of sitting in the front rows , they should go to the back rows (or maybe the row way at the end :D) ... while the sermon is on, they can show as much affection as they want .. i don't think anybody mind .. because others might want to concentrate on the sermon
AMEN...to this,yes its true that GOD wants us to be the same person everyday...donno y many believers just put up a mask of being spiritual and go to church...and expect everyone else to be like them...it kinda makes me laugh coz they are soo ignorant that they think they can blind GOD...RULES ARE MADE BY PEOPLE....THEY TAKE US NOWHERE...BUT WHAT JESUS WANTS US TO DO IS TO LOVE ..LOVE ...LOVE...LOVE... N LOVE :)GOD BLESS YOU PASTOR
"For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." ~ 2 Peter 1:21
I guess that means God wrote it... when one reads the Bible, you cannot ignore that every history, every prophecy, every command, EVERYTHING has meaning. It was set out for us to OBEY, to follow, to live by. If the Word of God is a lamp to our feet, how can we even walk without it? NO ONE IS ABOVE THE WORD OF GOD! Period.
@mikeyboy86 No one claimed to be "above" the Word. I follow what the Bible says, therefore the Bible is a blueprint and I am the temple. Is the blueprint greater than the building?
Christ is the builder, the Bible is the blueprint and we are the temple. Yet even so many have done greater works than either of us without so much as a Bible, because they knew Christ through His Spirit which is always with us whether we are around a Bible or not.
@Icannottolerateit OK, if you're right, then you can throw your Bible away, you don't need it. But since I realize that every word that comes from the Bible was spoken by God Himself, then I realize that it is essential to life. Maybe since you reject God's Word you should go into a cult like Buddhism or something similar. You're greater that the very word God Himself has spoken, right? Meaning you don't even need His death on the cross. You are not a Christian by your own admittance.
@mikeyboy86 Oh you misunderstand me greatly. I certainly enjoy using it and it is useful when conversing or teaching someone else, but i do not NEED it.
There was a Russian man who lived in a very northern part of Russia who did so much work for Christ with a few pages of the Bible. More than you, I and most people we know who have libraries of books on the Bible.
The actual word lives IN me. Does He not live in you? It was by His death that I was able to house His Spirit.
@mikeyboy86 If all Bibles were to disappear does that mean I would lose my salvation and my knowledge of God?
It is through the Holy Spirit that we understand God, not the Bible. The Spirit opens our understanding, not commentaries or writings of other men. It took me a while to learn this lesson, and after spending thousands of dollars on the writings of saintly Christians I did not need
The Bible will not be in Heaven with us, will it? In the beginning was Christ, not a partial revelation
@mikeyboy86 Very Christian of you to recommend me to become a member of a Satanic cult. That is not loving advice, and it is revealed that your desire to be right and defend your position is more important to you than the souls of your fellow man.
You hypocrite! You claim to know the Word but all you know are words written in a book you do not understand or follow! How can you say you now Him if you can say such hateful things?
I am not greater than the Word, I am greater than prophecies.
@mikeyboy86 The Bible is not a child of God, which is the honor given to me by the Father.
It is the Word which comes down from Heaven in Revelation to judge the world, not the Bible. Christ is the Word. Christ died for me.
So if you were cast into prison without a Bible in a communist country and had no access to the Bible you would lose your salvation and your knowledge of God?
The Word is working all around you all the time beyond that book of prophecies. Open your eyes.
@Icannottolerateit 2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed". God wrote it through the prophets. Therefore, the Bible is quite literally an extension of who He is. Stop arguing against the Scriptures, just stop. You are wrong, and you need to stop now. I am now going to delete any further posts of yours because you are in too near of danger of blasphemy. Stop.
@Icannottolerateit You cannot be better than the Bible because the Bible is His Word, and nothing is better than His Word. It is His promise, even John 1 says that Yeshua AND YHWH Himself is the Word.
The Word is His Law, it is His hope, His love, His promise, His essence, His Spirit, the Word is way of speaking to our spirits.
You are committing blasphemy. YOU ARE NOT GREATER THAN GOD'S WORD! If that were true, then it should have been you on that cross, and not Christ.
@Icannottolerateit By the way, in case you don't know the meaning of "context", it is looking at the surrounding verses.
Example, here is what not to do.
Gen 6 "The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth"
"See! God wished He never made us!
OK, no... the context is that in the time of Noah, Sin had taken over the world and God found Noah good in His sight and decided to wipe out the wicked and give the planet a new start and would one day offer His Son as redemption. John 3.
@Icannottolerateit I'm almost completely convinced that all you really want to do is argue, so I won't entertain this anymore. The Bible is clear, and you need to read it.
@Icannottolerateit I don't know how it would be a challenge, you say, to follow Christ through the garden of Gethsemane... You do not know me and do not know the tears I have cried for the lost and dieing. You have no clue.
But I know when it is excess and I know when enough is enough.
Mourn, but as Jeremiah's reason for mourning was, BE CALLED TO ACTION. Put your money where your mouth is so to speak.
I don't know your actions, but I pray to God you get out and witness to complete strangers.
@Icannottolerateit No I am not focusing on myself. That's why I teach a class that proves the existence of God, I pray with people in places I meet them like the local drug store, and witness to people literally on the side of the road. It's sad when they reject, but it's happy when they accept.
I'm sorry, but I'm blessed and have reason to laugh. I have a wonderful wife, great friends, lovely daughter, and amazing experiences witnessing to people, I have a blessed life. Sorry you don't.
@Icannottolerateit You know, I've met a lot of people who take things out of context... you take the cake.
Did you even read the context? Again, examine the context, you're being one-sided. Cross-examining the passage in Luke 6 with Ecc. again will show, yet again (I feel like a broken record at this point) that it's a show that those who have indulged in the pleasures of this world (note, in excess as well) are cursed and have their reward.
@Icannottolerateit But once you've read Ecc. in context with the Bible itself, you'll soon see that a "House of mourning" is a place of rejoicing when one is saved by the grace of God.
So, though you should mourn, sometimes, you should more so (yes, Biblically speaking, MORE so) rejoice, because this is to be done AT ALL TIMES.
@Icannottolerateit Now the book of Ecc. was canonized due to the fact that it was Solomon who wrote it, it was historically important, many statements would again be made more tangible to the Christian mind, such as in Romans 8.
In summary, you're looking at a book that is two sides of the same coin, and you chose to look at one side and stick with it. The book is a great reminder that life on earth is nothing compared to the glorious riches of Heaven. That's why funerals rock. cont..
@Icannottolerateit When you begin to read the book of Ecc., you need to know this book in context with the rest of the compilation of the Bible. Exegetically speaking, the statement "Sorrow is better than laughter" is documentary, meaning basically that many statements, such as this one, were personal reflections.
I know you read this isogetically because it is out context with the rest of the Bible, especially the later epistles. cont..
@Icannottolerateit Pay close attention to this next comment of mine, not trying to sound rude, but I am a Bible Teacher, so pay close attention.
Your passage of choice is in a section of the Bible known as "documentary", not "commentary". To distinguish between the two one requires the Holy Spirit. For reference sake I'll explain it this way. Solomon was at the end of his life when he wrote this book. The man who had everything was stating important things, and personal things. cont..
@Icannottolerateit You say because people are dieing and going to hell, that's true, but people are also accepting Christ and going to Heaven.
I know you laugh, but do you only laugh when you're not in a service somewhere or when you're thinking of Heavenly things?
I have a daughter, and she's hilarious, so I laugh at and with her. Is this wrong and inappropriate in a lost and dieing world to laugh at my daugher, who is a blessing from God? No, of course not.
@Icannottolerateit But here's what you're ignoring; Scripture says to be joyful and rejoice AT ALL TIMES.
You know why the pastor was able to laugh at the bald and jeans remarks? Because it's silly and stupid. Just as I laugh at your remarks, it's silly. This shouldn't even be an argument, that's how stupid this is.
You are unbalanced and need to go pray about this. I mean, you actually said, in bold lettering, NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO LAUGH... why? Why not? cont..
@Icannottolerateit You mean to say that I ignore the Scriptures that say to mourn even though I said we should mourn? I laugh at that because you're being silly.
You're a glass-half-empty kind of person... You are also, in fact, an extremist. I know this because of your statement against the speakers joking. A balanced person wouldn't have said anything at all about it.
I know you like to laugh, you just seem to be ignoring the fact that I read your comments. I KNOW YOU LAUGH... cont.
@Icannottolerateit I'm sorry, I feel bad that you've been lead down this path, but hopefully with the right balance of Scripture you will see that along with long-suffering, Joy is one of the fruits of the Spirit, and we are supposed to have ALL of these fruit.
And btw, the man speaking in this message: He called his congregation to grieve quite often. He knew that joy was pivotal in the life of a Christian, but he also knew to grieve.
You were all about mourning, now you will be about both.
@Icannottolerateit "Though the fig tree does not bud and there are no grapes on the vines, though the olive crops fails and the fields produce no food, though there are no sheep in the pen and no cattle in the stalls, YET I will REJOICE IN THE LORD, I will be JOYFUL IN GOD MY SAVIOR."
"Do not grieve, for the joy of the Lord is your strength." Neh 8:10
You are right, we should grieve from time to time, but we are supposed to rejoice AT ALL TIME!
@mikeyboy86 On the note of Phil 4:4, I'd like to add that he found this so important, he said it twice. "Rejoice, I'll say it again, REJOICE! ALWAYS!"
@Icannottolerateit Your convictions are not mine. But as a pharisee would, you have come here telling us how wrong we are that we enjoy laughter. I'm sorry, but you sir are wrong for sticking to one extreme and not balancing yourself out.
"By faith even Sarah herself received ability to conceive, even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised." Heb. 11:11
You know what Abraham and Sarah's son's name was? Isaac. You know the meaning of Isaac? Laughter.
@Icannottolerateit Here's what you need to understand. God created me with laughter... therefore, I'm going to laugh. God created me also to cry, therefore, I'm going to cry. You swing this pendulum from one extreme to the other, and that's so not Biblical. Moderation is key, cry, but laugh also. Yes there are starving children, but there are also those (who are also supposed to be you) who feed them and are fed. There are lives taken, but there are lives saved.
@Icannottolerateit He said in His Word to take care of orphans, widows, the hungry, preach the Gospel to all the nations, and that's such a blessing. If you don't laugh, then I question your service to the Lord.
Remember when the apostles were flogged for preaching Christ? They left how? Mourning? Crying? Nope, REJOICING!
I am OK with you deciding to live your life in misery, it's a horrid life for a Christian whose example is opposite of that, but anyways, do not try and make us like you.
@Icannottolerateit I can't help but laugh and smile when I hand a starving person a meal and see their eyes light up with such joy. I cry, yes, but should we remain in that state? Not at all. It's sad that the world is in shambles, but if you're not doing what Christ said to do, then I totally understand why you find more to cry about than to laugh.
@Icannottolerateit It sounds like you have had a very sad life, it's the only logical reason I can think of that you don't want people laughing.
Does the Bible not say to do all things without grumbling? WORSHIP and PRAISE the Lord at all times, that's a celebration, not a funeral!
All Christians have reasons to laugh, Christ has promised us hope, a future, eternal life, a place with no more suffering, there's reason to laugh, absolutely!
@Icannottolerateit Laugh a little, it really is OK. God made us with joy, LOVE, peace, and for someone to say you can't say a joke or joke around, whether outside a building falsely labeled "church" or behind the pulpit is totally non-Christian, unbiblical, and a downright shame that one hasn't yet allowed themselves to experience God's loving kindness, grace, mercy, and joy UNSPEAKABLE!
Laugh, it's what Father wants of us all. It really is.
@Icannottolerateit Which I just realized was within the same statement... "The enemy comes to still, kill and destroy, but I (Yeshua) have come that you may have life and live it to the full."
So you don't joke because not in the Bible? Do you get on the internet? That's not in the Bible.
Do you watch TV/read any other books than the Bible?
Do you drive a car? Not in the Bible.
Do you tell others how to live their Christian lives based on your own standards? That's in the Bible, but as a sin.
@Icannottolerateit Though church in America isn't Biblical and was instituted by Constantine... who says we can't have an enjoyable time in our Father's house? What a dull look on Christianity one must have if we can't share laughter. Even Solomon as he came near his death said there was a time to laugh. Yeshua Himself said He came to give life that we may live it to the full!
Laughter does good like a medicine is also a statement in the Bible. Don't come here trying to steal our joy man!
A perfect being is complete has no need to do further exploration. So the concept of a perfect God creating humans that worship him makes no sense.....unless he is imperfect
@Juneandplume17 God gave us His Word, He explains everything we need to know in it, like His feelings. He tells us to pray, He did know Lucifer would become Satan and He knew man would rebel against Him. He created us because He is love and wanted share that love; a relationship. Thus, freedom of choice had to be established, so He established Law. If there was no Law to break, how can we choose? Otherwise, it would be forced, and prayer, being communication, would be pointless.
@Juneandplume17 I recommend reading a Christian Bible so that you can understand the Christian lifestyle a bit better. I understand it is difficult for non-Christians, but I do not hold that against you since you do not abide by our God's Word.
If you have any questions I'd be happy to try and answer them for you.
@mikeyboy86 I was a christian I have read the bible many times, its all foolish, its all childrens stories. I will never get why christians think they know anything my answer when people say well what do you beleive in then? my answer is: I DONT KNOW and when their is proof of something I can say truely what I do.
honestly god/jesus probably not real...
if god was real in the way christians think then he would dislike all of us, we're all savage by nature.
@Juneandplume17 You know, much of science, history and archeological finds have proven time and again that each story of the Bible is true beyond a reasonable doubt.
Jesus has been proven to have walked the earth, this is now historical fact.
Even astronomers at NASA have been claiming for years that the supernatural is science fact.
Einstein himself was frustrated by the evidence because it all pointed to God, though he didn't want it to.
Read "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist".
@Juneandplume17 Once you read that book, you'll be answer people without saying "I don't know".
When peoples limbs are growing back and blind people are receiving their sight and cancer is disappearing from peoples bodies, you can't help but realize that the prayer you prayed to God for them had something to do with it. Especially when it happens that very moment.
Please, don't give up on God, because He hasn't given up on you either.
Christians waste their time praying for things since God has a plan and God is perfect, he will never change his plans to please you. If he does that then he wouldn't be perfect and superior
1) If God is all knowing then he knew Lucifer would be Satan, which means God wanted evil in this world so why do we pray to him as if he cares about our wants and needs?
@Juneandplume17 Our wants and needs should be His will for our life. I don't want anything outside of God's plan for my life. His plan is way better than my plan!
If you wear your jeans to church to be rebelious, then it is wrong. But, if you wear jeans, and you wear them to church- perhaps you have made someone comfortable who is visiting your church for the first time and suddenly they hear the sermon, and they believe. Isn't that the goal? To share the love of Jesus, and bring the lost to knowledge and faith? I believe it is.
Ex11:7 But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel. Lev.10And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
"Wear your Sunday best" is not Biblical at all. The people who try to convince you of that use very obscure verses. Francis is right; these prominent religious figures enforce these manmade Christian rules. If you come to church, 100% true of heart and worship, do you honestly think God will say "You know, that's great, but I can't take you seriously." Wearing nice clothes is not a form of worship.
@TimidTheBrave the book of James clears it up,After your saved now your saved for good works,works like the letting God change the way you talk,dress,act,your whole being should be guided into sactification,,,behold all things become new!
@TimidTheBrave interesting point. That "narrow way" thing can be so risky, b/c people turn to legalism to soothe their conscience and pridefully convince themselves that they are on that path.
I was moved by this and I thought it was beautiful,I think some of you missed what was being said,and I would just like to say that I dont care what a preacher whares ,but wether or not he stands on the word.
and a lot of the references are to things that in that culture were not acceptable, and so we need to be very much aware of the way we dress so that we do not seem to be somehting we are not to people of this culture or of another culture. Just check out romans 14: 13-18 to see more about not causing other people to stumble, or not to do something that other people may be offended by.
I agree if the holes are in inappropriate, but if you've seen the video this message is from you'll know it's just in the knees.
And you are right to say the NT talks about how we dress... and most of the time it is saying not to dress up. Not to decorate, be modest...
And in my experience, no matter what you do, someone will ALWAYS be offended somehow. You can never win, so being yourself in Christ is truly the best answer, and never backing down from what the Lord Himself has shown you.
I love how one of the tags is bald....lol...but this was a huge encouragement to me. I'm adding it to my favs.
cutecupkait 2 months ago
@cutecupkait Ha, yeah that came from when I hear people describe him as the Bald Chinese Preacher Guy :P
mikeyboy86 2 months ago
@hunter7754 Matthew 18:6-7
"But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. “Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes!"
Be careful my friend, modesty is very necessary. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Phil. 2:12
mikeyboy86 4 months ago
@hunter7754 "Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire" - 1 Tim. 2:9...
... Man-made rule? This is in the Bible, The Almighty God's own Word. This is HIS rule, not ours. Whether a person lusts or not isn't the point, it's obedience, because He said to.
mikeyboy86 4 months ago
@mikeyboy86
btw, just to make it clear, that was Pauls word
not Gods
Paul was a very important person in the Bible though. My assumption was that he was talking to women that got annoyed with men lusting after them. Also Paul wanted them to dress modestly to lessen temptation of lust not only for the people but for himself
all that to say, its not so much how you look or how you dress that defines you as a Christian,
it is through your actions and beliefs but faith most importantly.
but whatev
hunter7754 3 months ago
@hunter7754 so you're saying that none of the men, around 40 in all, who were jewish prophets and/or apostles, with a direct connection in communication with and by the Holy Spirit of YHWH and disciples taught by the Messiah Himself with Divine Inspiration from the mouth of the Almighty Himself, matter at all?
cont..
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@mikeyboy86 Either you accept that the Almighty spoke through them or you do what the Word Himself said was evil, take away from Scripture. You can't choose what is Truth and what's not from WITHIN the Scriptures. The Bible either is or is not the Word of God. You have to choose whether it's all true, or none of it is. Again, you need to be INCREDIBLY careful and cautious, you're speaking very VERY dangerous words and assuming too much in light of eternity.
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@mikeyboy86
like i said, Christianity isn't about a list of rules to follow..
And what Paul said was more of a principal rather than a command
also the Bible says "Do not judge by mere appearance"
and you are doing that if all you're concerned about is how a person dresses and if they are modest or not.
I'm not twisting scripture at all.
We all have our own interpretations
however there have times where i took verses out of context
hunter7754 3 months ago
@hunter7754
So you make the 10 Commandments obsolete? My friend, Yahshuah Himself said that He didn't come to destroy the Torah (The "Law), that not even one mark will be removed from it until Heaven and Earth pass away. Heaven and Earth are STILL here. "If you love me you will obey my commands."
No do not judge a person's CHARACTER for how they appear on the outside, but what's in their heart. But still, any, ANY, declarative statement directed at a believer in the Bible IS a command. cont..
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@mikeyboy86
"But still, any, ANY, declarative statement directed at a believer in the Bible IS a command"
so then why are you so concerned with modesty?
have you not heard the verse " Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment"
i say it again, the Bible isn't just commands, its principals too
hunter7754 3 months ago
@hunter7754 dude... read the context, this passage has absolutely NOTHING to do with dress. He's referring to Holy rights on the Sabbath Day. Read the context before you try to use it for your own purposes, it just confirms my beliefs that you're not well learned in the Scriptures.
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@mikeyboy86
"Woe to you to causes another to stumble"
that verse more referring to Christians that basically scare away other believers and cause them to stumble in their faith.
as for the adultery , seriously, learn some self control. Thats one of the fruits of the spirit.
and as for what he says about lustful thoughts, he made a good point though, but the verse wasn't talking specifically about adultery.He was showing how our thoughts are just as important as our words and actions
hunter7754 3 months ago
@hunter7754 um, duh? I don't mean to be mean, but I think you may finally be getting what I've been saying to you this whole time. YES! The Bible is talking to BELIEVERS! You're finally getting it!
He meant exactly what He said, "If you lust, you HAVE committed adultery."
Yes, learn self-control. But don't be so disconnected from the world around you. 99% of men in America struggle with pornography, and I've seen your youtube friends... breasts revealed and all.
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@mikeyboy86
but the lust wasnt his main point in the verse
and no, you werent being mean
hunter7754 3 months ago
@hunter7754 I'll grant you it wasn't His MAIN point, but inevitably, it was A point. You can't disregard one Truth statement simply because it wasn't His "main" point.
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@hunter7754 When you say it's "principal", you're ripping pages out of the Bible. You should treat EVERY word in the Bible as sacred.
Think of this. When Yahshuah said that if you even LOOK upon a woman to lust after her you have committed adultery with her already in your heart. Adultery is a sin, worthy of stoning in the OT and worthy of hell through Scripture and you're going to just passively say you don't have to dress modestly? The Bible says "Woe to you to causes another to stumble".
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@mikeyboy86
dude, i read the context, i know what im talking about
the verse's main context wasn't about adultery
He was talking about how our thoughts are just as important as our actions and words.
btw, not everything in the Bible is clear, anyone would know that some parts of the Bible are vague and grey.
Like i said, i dont know everything about the Bible, but i know enough to know that you shouldn't be making Christianity a list of rules to follow
hunter7754 3 months ago
@hunter7754 They're only unclear and vague to someone who doesn't study them and live by what they say. The more you obey, the more is revealed to you. This is a law just like gravity.
Christianity has a list of rules. Yes it does. And we are meant to obey them, but living FOR the Messiah and the Almighty isn't MERELY following a set of rules, it is Love, all the fruits of the Spirit. But it is also obedience. It's all of it. But it's GOD centered. "Not my will, but your will."
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@mikeyboy86
i only said small parts of the Bible were unclear
not the Bible itself
:-]
hunter7754 3 months ago
@hunter7754 Well maybe I can clear some things up for you. I know that sounds arrogant but I've been actively teaching Scripture for around ten years now and have found many hiccups the english translators have made. Most of the gray areas are because people like the KJV translators goofed up. I have been studying the Hebrew and Greek passages, I suppose it's why I'm so confident in the Bible now. I lose sleep over my findings. But please, by all means, I'd love to help clear up some things. :)
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@hunter7754 To clarify what I said, I lose sleep over the things that those who only read the english version are totally unaware of. I fear the majority of Christians are in a lot of danger, they simply don't know the Truth, only think they do. "Those who say LORD LORD I will say depart from me, for I never knew you." I know this alone sounds simple enough, but really, it's worse that we all previously thought... but anyways, that's only one example.
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@mikeyboy86
not exactly
I said these are Pauls words, not Gods
the verse says "not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire"
so in a sense you could be modest but you're not following that verse. you know why?
there is expensive modest clothes out there so it wouldn't even matter if it was modest, cuz its costly
Some people take that part of the verse as to not be so obsessed with how we look
and as christians we shouldn't judge by outward appearance,
whats on the inside matters
hunter7754 3 months ago
@hunter7754 Yes, they are Paul's words... but as the Bible says, "All Scripture is God Breathed." Paul is merely the messenger, YHWH the author. This is the most basic of Biblical truths, you didn't know this?
Anyways, again, the verse SCREAMS clearly, yet you still cannot see it. Dress modestly, don't dress in expensive flashy clothing or jewelry. You're trying to make this more difficult than it is. The Bible isn't complicated, as long as you take it for what it says.
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@mikeyboy86
Its God breathed yes, but that really has nothing to do with it.
Modesty is a tradition, not a command..
God said to the pharisees, "You follow the traditions of men, rather than the commands of God"
like i said, modesty was a suggestion that paul made.
Theres a difference between a suggestion and a command
You dont see anywhere in the commandments it says "Things may go better for you if you so and so"
its a simple command
Paul is just teaching principals and tradition
hunter7754 3 months ago
@hunter7754 The "traditions" Yahshuah refers to here is called takanot. It's phariseeism. Still practiced today by the Pharisees and several orthodoxy jews. Has nothing to do with dressing modestly as a command. And in Your other comment on "Joy in the morning" and all... This is the difference between documentary and commentary. This was a song of praise written in King David's own memoirs. I was a personal song of praise directed, not at believers, but to YHWH, the Almighty.
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@mikeyboy86
i know..
i realize that
i assume you're referring the lukewarm am i correct?
hunter7754 3 months ago
@hunter7754 Nooo, not at all.
Let me ask, when you pray, who do you pray to? What do you call Him?
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@mikeyboy86
i pray to God
why?
hunter7754 3 months ago
@hunter7754 And that's my point. God, and "The LORD", isn't His name. The Bible was changed by the "early church fathers" because they didn't want people saying or knowing the true name of the Almighty. So anytime you see GOD or LORD in all caps in your Bible, that's where they changed it from YHWH to that. The Bible says, "Anyone who calls on the name of YHWH shall be saved." Not "The LORD or GOD", but YHWH (pronounced YHWH). Baal means "Lord". I'll let you put the pieces together.
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
@mikeyboy86
Lord in the bible is adonai in Hebrew. Yes, LORD and GOD int he KJV is Yahweh. But let's not get all religious. Your father has a proper name but do you call him by that? NO, you call him father, dad, daddy, and so on. He knows our heart when we call on Him but whatever title we use.
mikebarnes1976 1 month ago
@mikebarnes1976 My Dad is not the Creator of all things, including the Torah, the Holy Instructions that we are all commanded to live according to. So he is irrelevant in this case. YHWH COMMANDED us to proclaim His name, and to call out to His NAME for salvation. Religious? No, not in this case. I'm being obedient. If you'll persecute me for that, then thank you. I want to call Him what HE wants to be called, not what I feel like He'll forgive me for calling Him.
mikeyboy86 1 month ago
@mikebarnes1976 cont.. And yes, He does know our hearts. He even says what He thinks of our hearts in the Bible, "The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked." Jer. 17
mikeyboy86 1 month ago
Jeans for guys is one thing. I thought this was about women wearing jeans. Women shouldn't wear jeans, I don't see a problem with men wearing them though.
Figsx 5 months ago
@Figsx why shouldnt women wear jeans?
azncutiesinger 5 months ago
@Figsx should a woman wear a covering on her head too?
jadedangel2404 4 months ago
@Figsx So men are set free, but women are not? That's extremely hypocritical.Romans 1:16 says " For i am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God that brings salvation to ANYONE who believes." it does not say any man, or any woman, or any jew, or any greek, but ANYONE. That means that Jesus sets each and every one of us free. Women are free to wear jeans, or skirts or shorts that are modest. it is for freedom He set us free!
Hisgraceisanocean 3 months ago
@Hisgraceisanocean
i agree with you!
dont listen to those people adding their own rules and traditions to Gods word
it really annoys me..
im like "whats wrong with you? is Gods word not enough???"
there's a specific verse that talks about that and it says "You follow the traditions of men, rather than following the commands of God."
hunter7754 3 months ago
@hunter7754 Y'know, I could just as easily ask you, "whats wrong with you? is Gods word not enough???"
Yahshuah's words you are quoting, He was speaking to the Pharisees. But not what you may think. He was referring to their takanot. A word I'm sure you're unfamiliar with. You should read a book titled, "The Greek Jesus VS the Hebrew Yeshua". You'll see and hopefully learn exactly what I've been trying to tell you this whole time. I pray your sleep is uneasy until you learn this truth.
mikeyboy86 3 months ago
Francis Chan brought me back to God. I had fallen away from my Father. I reluctantly attended a service at Cornerstone. This man showed me in 1 hour what I should've seen over the last 12 years. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. JESUS IS MY SAVIOR. I truly believe God put me at that church at that time to hear that life-saving message. Francis Chan, I sincerely thank you for leading me back to my Savior. Jodana Sykes
JODANASYKES 6 months ago 5
intention is ok.. here.. but the message is decieving.. If you are a Christ lover.. You sure will care about Not becoming a stumbling block in another person's spiritual life by the way you dress or you make up ! Modesty is a Must... Here the preacher says Kiddish things " Not to zip up the pant"... How foolish would that be if he has not done so in public knowingly... ! Freedom in Christ is not to be misused based on your own comfort.. !! Be Humble & Seek the Lord ! Please refrain from false !
jinu03 6 months ago
@jinu03 1) Before the message began someone informed him his fly was open and he zipped it up; people laughed, he was referring to that. 2) The Bible shows disgust at people who dress up, but shows modesty is the only code Yahweh has. 3) Listen to his whole message at the cornerstonesimi page under media and messages. "Grace grace grace". You'll see your comment is misplaced. 4) This man has done more for this planet that any of us has probably even done in our community, show some respect.
mikeyboy86 6 months ago 13
@mikeyboy86 God has done things through this man.* It bugs me when people give all the glory to a human, and not to the one that created said human and helps push them along.
MrWaerloga 6 months ago
@MrWaerloga For sure, and praise God for what He's done through this man's obedience. But I'll remind you that even YHWH defended the "man" as recorded in the Bible. Miriam spoke against her brother Moses in Numbers, YHWH said this man is different, don't dare speak against him in this way, and He struck her with leprosy. There's even a chapter in the NT dedicated to the faith of MAN, uplifting man's faith and obedience. Don't speak against the anointed man of God. That was my point.
mikeyboy86 6 months ago
@jinu03 It seems you are taking it too literal brother, imagine those pentecostal pastors who would condemn us for wearing casual dress on Sunday service in India, and would call that as a mark of casualness, we need to come out of those narrow mind, freedom in Christ is definitely not being misused here, these are some of the outward things that we have emphasized missing the truth, lets get real brother. By the way I do respect your opinion, Love in Christ, may God bless you.
Soloraj1 5 months ago
@jinu03 I don't mean to be disrespectful to your comment, but you mistook what he was referring to. You're being too literal. :)
chasingsmiles13 5 months ago
Tithing is NEVER in the form of money in the Bible. Tithing in the Bible was ALWAYS agricultural. Prominent people began to tell a lie of tithing $ and applying it to EVERYONE instead of only a select group as it was in the Bible. Today, the church is pressured into thinking that 10% of every paycheck belongs to church leadership. In Malachi, when the Word says "Will a man rob God..." and refers to robbing Him in tithes and offerings, he's talking to the leaders who stole from the storehouse!
IdahoVS 8 months ago
@IdahoVS This is true, however today hardly anyone really keeps farms, all their income is in the form of money. I don't give to my "local church", but I do make sure to give to charities dedicated to the relief of human suffering (The hungry, human trafficking, etc.), because of the law which states, "Whatsoever you sow, that you shall reap". And by law I mean as gravity is a law, so is "give and receive".
mikeyboy86 8 months ago
@mikeyboy86 As carpenters, Joseph and Jesus wouldn't have tithed under the Law. In Deut. 14, where it speaks of tithing in the Law, it says that if the place God appointed for those who were to tithe was too far away, then they were to sell their tithe in exchange for money and then use it for whatever their hearts desired. In Malachi, those who were "robbing God" were priests who were taking part of the storehouse tithe for themselves. The storehouse tithe was once every three years.
IdahoVS 8 months ago
@IdahoVS Interestingly you're using Yashua as an argument against tithing when He applauded people for giving up everything... Whether it is commanded int he Torah or not, I'd still rather give to those who haven't got anything to keep themselves alive rather than horde it all for myself.
mikeyboy86 8 months ago 2
@mikeyboy86 Oh, I believe in giving. I just don't like how pastors abuse people these days. Law tithing was once per year when a family would share a meal with a priest. Every third year, it was to go to the storehouse to feed the sin offering priests, widows, orphans, strangers, etc. Now, we have pastors who tell widows, etc. that they're required to give 10% of every paycheck, so they can buy millionaire homes. preesi.lefora.com/2010/10/25/the-houses-of-well-known-televangelists/
IdahoVS 8 months ago
@IdahoVS You are right their giving was once a year. Because they were an agriculture based economy. You generally only get one harvest a year. They were required to give 1/10 of their increase. However if we recieve a paycheck once a week, We recieve an increase once a week. Paul told us to give cheerfully. We do owe God a portion of our income. After all it is his anyway. The question we have to ask our churches is how are these tithes being used? Are we helping people or are getting stuff
toservechrist1 6 months ago
@IdahoVS The damning nature of the passage in Malachi relates to the fact that the Priests were having to work secular Jobs and steal from the storehouse.
May I make a suggestion, try me now in this sayeth God and will I not open the doors of heaven and poor out a blessing that you cannot contain.
The robbery was that "stingyness" had overtaken generosity towards the house of God. That which was intended to be done out of thankfulness and love was being done out of legalism.
historicslunk 7 months ago
@historicslunk we were grafted into THEIR covenant. On Judgment day he will say, " the park for me you worker of iniquity", iniquity is translated from anomia, which is from Hebrew meaning to be without Torah, which is the "Law". The whole Bible was written to "The Jew first, then the gentile,". However I am Messianic more over being a Christian. Christ is a greek term, Messiah is a Hebrew term, and I want to get back to the roots.
mikeyboy86 7 months ago
You also have to consider that the Torah Commands us not to have sex with animals... Something that is not commanded in the new testament, so is that to say that it is okay to have sex with animals since the Torah does not apply to christians?! Just food for thought.
mikeyboy86 7 months ago
@mikeyboy86 It would be churlish to say you are wrong but may I point out something which I think may help. I don't believe the Law has any power over the Christian, the law is a school-teacher though and it does teach us that generosity, towards the house of God AND towards the poor, is blessed.
PT I
historicslunk 7 months ago
@historicslunk I meant to say "depart from me", im using an audio chat and it doesn't always pick up my words properly
mikeyboy86 7 months ago
@mikeyboy86 It would be churlish to say you are wrong but may I point out something which I think may help. I don't believe the Law has any power over the Christian, the law is a school-teacher though and it does teach us that generosity, towards the house of God AND towards the poor, is blessed.
historicslunk 7 months ago
@IdahoVS Yea but in acts you see people tithing a monetary unit. The pre-cross era they tithed with land and such, but after the cross they gave money. Tithing is giving a percent (ideally 10% like in the old testament) of your comfort (whether it being savings and such) and trusting God with it.
KHDubbzProductions 8 months ago
@IdahoVS Your view is your view.. But let me add this: Money is a medium of exchange. The exchange is for assets. The assets ultimately come back to the fact that you exchanged time and brain power. God wants a portion of it. So tell me again if we should tithe money or not?
vanrijnr 7 months ago
@IdahoVS YOU tithe a tithe of your increase, irrespective of what sort it is, weather agriculture, monetary,....And the Bible says obey those that have the rule OVER you, thats spiritual rule, 'Pastors' because they watchout for your souls, that is to say, they strive to keep you equipt to live right throught the preaching. And as such I think it wise to follow the leadership you place your self under, and if they say to bring a tithe which is BIBLICAL even before the LAW bring it.
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TheNitricOxide 8 months ago
"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed". John 8:36
oNallieGirl 8 months ago
i hope there are jeans in heaven! :D
SarahLikesRamen101 8 months ago
So, so, SO TRUE! Man, that gives me so much relief. There's no RIGHT way to live if you know the love and grace of Christ because you're going to do the right things anyway because of the Holy Spirit that lives inside of you... So there's absolutely NOTHING I can do to take away His love for me... That's an amazing concept, and I hope I never forget it. Man. Praise God!
misstalentedusa 9 months ago
@misstalentedusa what you just said made no sense. if there no RIGHT way to live. then how are you supposed to do the right thing? think before you speak fool.
niddasa 8 months ago
It is what is in the heart.. Its not a fashion show...
ro42669 9 months ago
-Happy are those who are free from sin, who love the Lord that made them, who fear God who created them, who glorify the savior who saved them. How I envy the Bride of Christ to know that I'm forever lost in sin. I can only grieve in selfishness but not able to love selflessly. There are those who know the truth but are to weak to conform to it due to the lack of having true faith. I feel like all I do is wander around in darkness. Why was I born if I am to burn in shamefulness forever?
chriscoolguy15 9 months ago
@wanastunt EXACTLY! That's the very thing Francis Chan here has been saying for the past few years. I'm actually planning on uploading the two messages of his that focus on that very point.
Thanks so much for that comment, it's nice to know there are Christians out there that get this.
mikeyboy86 10 months ago 2
@mikeyboy86 And btw, I accidentally "removed" your comment... didn't mean to, sorry :/ If you'd like to re-post it, go for it, I'll approve it next time, ha ha.
mikeyboy86 10 months ago
@mikeyboy86 definitely man, I love this sermon, I'd love to hear of it for sure!
wanastunt 10 months ago
Very true, very good!! Good straight education of grace!
time4u2cit 11 months ago
Amen! :D
JusheisPwn 1 year ago
For the most part, it doesn't matter so long as your appearance doesn't cause someone else to sin in their heart. Modesty is still necessary. And yes, that should be the rule seven days a week.
tgoyer 1 year ago 8
but people can have the same lust in there heart to dress clothes as much as cashual some people think dress clothes are sexy and short skirts arnt lol im definitly not saying wear short skirts lol
@tgoyer
Shibbyatl 9 months ago
It doesn't matter you wear church (now,obviously a bikini is appropriate). Physical appearance is something WE focus on NOT God.
megsalot23 1 year ago
i know we have to be the same 7 days a week .. however, it's not appropriate to go to the church, wearing beach clothes .. you wouldn't wear that going for the job interview, would you ??
i don't think we need to make a big deal of what we should wear to go to the church .. just wear whatever we feel comfortable with, and at the same time .. something that do not put us on the spotlight (yeah, refer to the "dress code")
100tuyetvan 1 year ago 2
@100tuyetvan Totally agreed. The emphasis should be our hearts, not our looks.
I like something one of Corner Stone's pastors said once, "I'd rather spend my morning preparing my heart, not my tie."
mikeyboy86 1 year ago 2
@mikeyboy86 :D
i guess .. before leaving for church, we just stand in front of the mirror .. as long as we "don't overdress, nor underdress", we're ok
some churches, they make a big deal about this .. but some don't , like the one i'm going now ..
God looks at our hearts ... being humble, thankful, content
When the oceans rise
and thunders roar.
I will soar with You, above the storm
Father You are king over the flood,
I will be STILL AND KNOW YOU ARE GOD.
(Still .. song)
100tuyetvan 1 year ago
@100tuyetvan Totally agreed. Would we wear jeans to meet the President of the United States? No. Out of respect, we dress up! Same as going to church.
swarey1 1 year ago
@swarey1 Though the point of the entire message here is that God doesn't even care about that. He doesn't pay it any attention, He doesn't even command it. That's why to preach or even say that dressing up matters is totally unbiblical, and we need to watch our doctrines.
However, if it is YOUR way of glorifying the Lord, then do it, but don't make it something you teach others to do, because I glorify God by dressing the way I do the rest of the week, and by who I am.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago 3
@swarey1 And yeah, I probably would wear jeans and shirt to meet the president, he's just ar man after all. Besides, Obama is about "change", right? He'd probably welcome it while he rejects placing his hand over his heart during the national anthem.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago 9
as christian brother we should life are president up with encourageing and prayerful words ur words have power. pray for him dont bash him. are opinion doesnt matter God ordains authority
@mikeyboy86
Shibbyatl 9 months ago
@swarey1 And please don't take what I'm saying personally, I just woke up kinda ready to pounce o_o
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@swarey1 that's how the temple was during Jesus' time too. How far did proper dress get the Pharisees? Good thing the blind, beggars, sluts,tax collectors and crippled,dirty downtrodden people who were healed loved, and changed forever by Christ didn't have to dress nice. I teach Sunday school, I travel in an evangelistic christian rock band, and on accasion I do special musc on Sunday's. I go to a conservative Fundementalist church. I have a mohawk, a long goatee tattered jeans and a T-shirt!
yeshualovesme1 1 year ago
@100tuyetvan I guess that God does see the outside and that affects how he loves us. No, never. God loves us and the clothes we wear doesn't change his love or how good of a Christian one is. It's about the heart. Refer to John the Baptist.
11williambmusic 11 months ago
@100tuyetvan well i have already went to church wearing this ^__^ i live in florida ^__^
sisco2k2 11 months ago
I have no problem preaching Grace, as long as it the Grace of God that brings salvation, that has appeared to all men, teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.
Now THAT is Grace, Titus 2:11-12
TheCHURCHinDROUIN 1 year ago
2:57 ... i'm free to do whatever, the only thing i'm in bondage to, is ... LOVE
i totally agree .. amen ...
however, i wonder if anyone could tell me how they feel - when they go to the church and see such things as :
1. while everybody around sits motionlessly .. the couple in front of you (the guy keeps MOVING his hand on the girl's neck, shoulder, arm) .. they're in love? but you're distracted from the sermon??
2. a woman wearing a low cut shirt (or s/t like that)
should .. shouln't ??
100tuyetvan 1 year ago
@100tuyetvan I've had similar questions asked of me before. My only answer is the Bible is so clear on dress code... modesty. I believe if a woman has love, she'll be loving enough to not put someone (a man) in a situation where he's given more of an opportunity to lust.
As for the touchy/feely in church, not quite sure really, I think it's a beautiful display of affection and it speaks loudly of the Holy Spirit's loving interaction with us, but I just say be careful how far one takes it.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@mikeyboy86 Romans 14:19-21 .. Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but IT IS WRONG FOR A PERSON TO eat ANYTHING THAT CAUSES SOMEONE ELSE TO STUMBLE. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
i bring up these verses, which are not directly related to my questions, because they're talking about "food"
100tuyetvan 1 year ago
@mikeyboy86 i don't mean to judge anyone . i just want people to be more considerate of other people . that's all ... example, if i take my (g/b) friend going to church with me .. at the sermon, i keep moving my hand on their body to show my affection .. the question is .. could either of us concentrate on the sermon ?? .. what is the point of going to the church ?? .. if myself can't put my mind on God , i shouldn't stop other people to put their minds on God , right ??
100tuyetvan 1 year ago
@100tuyetvan Of course though, "church" as you described (everyone sitting, facing forward) isn't Biblical. Francis Chan actually talks about this really heavily in one of his messages which you can find at the cornerstonesimi site podcast (cornerstonesimi is the website). It's the only one of the messages called "The Gospel Conference" that he spoke himself, it's part 5 spoken on 4/05/09. Great message. Woke me up to what church really is and was intended to be.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@mikeyboy86 but the point is that .. we shouldn't do anything to CAUSE OTHERS TO STUMBLE , such as
1. the dress code that you mentioned
2. about the affection .. i know it's nice to show the affection in a church .. how about .. instead of sitting in the front rows , they should go to the back rows (or maybe the row way at the end :D) ... while the sermon is on, they can show as much affection as they want .. i don't think anybody mind .. because others might want to concentrate on the sermon
100tuyetvan 1 year ago
AMEN...to this,yes its true that GOD wants us to be the same person everyday...donno y many believers just put up a mask of being spiritual and go to church...and expect everyone else to be like them...it kinda makes me laugh coz they are soo ignorant that they think they can blind GOD...RULES ARE MADE BY PEOPLE....THEY TAKE US NOWHERE...BUT WHAT JESUS WANTS US TO DO IS TO LOVE ..LOVE ...LOVE...LOVE... N LOVE :)GOD BLESS YOU PASTOR
hadassahmathew 1 year ago
"For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." ~ 2 Peter 1:21
I guess that means God wrote it... when one reads the Bible, you cannot ignore that every history, every prophecy, every command, EVERYTHING has meaning. It was set out for us to OBEY, to follow, to live by. If the Word of God is a lamp to our feet, how can we even walk without it? NO ONE IS ABOVE THE WORD OF GOD! Period.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@mikeyboy86 No one claimed to be "above" the Word. I follow what the Bible says, therefore the Bible is a blueprint and I am the temple. Is the blueprint greater than the building?
Christ is the builder, the Bible is the blueprint and we are the temple. Yet even so many have done greater works than either of us without so much as a Bible, because they knew Christ through His Spirit which is always with us whether we are around a Bible or not.
Icannottolerateit 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit OK, if you're right, then you can throw your Bible away, you don't need it. But since I realize that every word that comes from the Bible was spoken by God Himself, then I realize that it is essential to life. Maybe since you reject God's Word you should go into a cult like Buddhism or something similar. You're greater that the very word God Himself has spoken, right? Meaning you don't even need His death on the cross. You are not a Christian by your own admittance.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@mikeyboy86 Oh you misunderstand me greatly. I certainly enjoy using it and it is useful when conversing or teaching someone else, but i do not NEED it.
There was a Russian man who lived in a very northern part of Russia who did so much work for Christ with a few pages of the Bible. More than you, I and most people we know who have libraries of books on the Bible.
The actual word lives IN me. Does He not live in you? It was by His death that I was able to house His Spirit.
Icannottolerateit 1 year ago
@mikeyboy86 If all Bibles were to disappear does that mean I would lose my salvation and my knowledge of God?
It is through the Holy Spirit that we understand God, not the Bible. The Spirit opens our understanding, not commentaries or writings of other men. It took me a while to learn this lesson, and after spending thousands of dollars on the writings of saintly Christians I did not need
The Bible will not be in Heaven with us, will it? In the beginning was Christ, not a partial revelation
Icannottolerateit 1 year ago
@mikeyboy86 Very Christian of you to recommend me to become a member of a Satanic cult. That is not loving advice, and it is revealed that your desire to be right and defend your position is more important to you than the souls of your fellow man.
You hypocrite! You claim to know the Word but all you know are words written in a book you do not understand or follow! How can you say you now Him if you can say such hateful things?
I am not greater than the Word, I am greater than prophecies.
Icannottolerateit 1 year ago
@mikeyboy86 The Bible is not a child of God, which is the honor given to me by the Father.
It is the Word which comes down from Heaven in Revelation to judge the world, not the Bible. Christ is the Word. Christ died for me.
So if you were cast into prison without a Bible in a communist country and had no access to the Bible you would lose your salvation and your knowledge of God?
The Word is working all around you all the time beyond that book of prophecies. Open your eyes.
Icannottolerateit 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit 2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed". God wrote it through the prophets. Therefore, the Bible is quite literally an extension of who He is. Stop arguing against the Scriptures, just stop. You are wrong, and you need to stop now. I am now going to delete any further posts of yours because you are in too near of danger of blasphemy. Stop.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit Jesus died for my sins but the Bible is God's word
cjsoler1 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit Jesus died for my sins but the Bible is God's word
cjsoler1 1 year ago 11
@cjsoler1 try replacing "but" with "and" Jesus died for my sins and the bible is God's word. and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
eternalturky 9 months ago
Amen!!
sugkrino 1 year ago
does anyone know where I can find the rest of this message?
christopherslin 1 year ago
it was very much needed, just what i was wondering about and i got all the answers...thank you for posting this :)
CarmenGChaer 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit You cannot be better than the Bible because the Bible is His Word, and nothing is better than His Word. It is His promise, even John 1 says that Yeshua AND YHWH Himself is the Word.
The Word is His Law, it is His hope, His love, His promise, His essence, His Spirit, the Word is way of speaking to our spirits.
You are committing blasphemy. YOU ARE NOT GREATER THAN GOD'S WORD! If that were true, then it should have been you on that cross, and not Christ.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit You claiming to be better than the Bible is saying that you're better than God, do you not realize that?
cjsoler1 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit By the way, in case you don't know the meaning of "context", it is looking at the surrounding verses.
Example, here is what not to do.
Gen 6 "The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth"
"See! God wished He never made us!
OK, no... the context is that in the time of Noah, Sin had taken over the world and God found Noah good in His sight and decided to wipe out the wicked and give the planet a new start and would one day offer His Son as redemption. John 3.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit I'm almost completely convinced that all you really want to do is argue, so I won't entertain this anymore. The Bible is clear, and you need to read it.
Good bye, my prayers are for you today.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit I don't know how it would be a challenge, you say, to follow Christ through the garden of Gethsemane... You do not know me and do not know the tears I have cried for the lost and dieing. You have no clue.
But I know when it is excess and I know when enough is enough.
Mourn, but as Jeremiah's reason for mourning was, BE CALLED TO ACTION. Put your money where your mouth is so to speak.
I don't know your actions, but I pray to God you get out and witness to complete strangers.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit No I am not focusing on myself. That's why I teach a class that proves the existence of God, I pray with people in places I meet them like the local drug store, and witness to people literally on the side of the road. It's sad when they reject, but it's happy when they accept.
I'm sorry, but I'm blessed and have reason to laugh. I have a wonderful wife, great friends, lovely daughter, and amazing experiences witnessing to people, I have a blessed life. Sorry you don't.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit Jer. 9, he was upset at his slain kinsmen and the wickedness thereof; not to mention Jerusalem at that time was destroyed.
God was also upset with the people, and therefore was not a "happy" time. No wonder someone would make such a statement.
Also, Jeremiah was hoping to rouse the people to do what is right towards God.
You know, you may want to consider taking some Bible 101.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit You know, I've met a lot of people who take things out of context... you take the cake.
Did you even read the context? Again, examine the context, you're being one-sided. Cross-examining the passage in Luke 6 with Ecc. again will show, yet again (I feel like a broken record at this point) that it's a show that those who have indulged in the pleasures of this world (note, in excess as well) are cursed and have their reward.
You are twisting the Scriptures.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
I LOVE THIS GUY!!! PRAISE GOD!!!
swanieone1 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit But once you've read Ecc. in context with the Bible itself, you'll soon see that a "House of mourning" is a place of rejoicing when one is saved by the grace of God.
So, though you should mourn, sometimes, you should more so (yes, Biblically speaking, MORE so) rejoice, because this is to be done AT ALL TIMES.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit Now the book of Ecc. was canonized due to the fact that it was Solomon who wrote it, it was historically important, many statements would again be made more tangible to the Christian mind, such as in Romans 8.
In summary, you're looking at a book that is two sides of the same coin, and you chose to look at one side and stick with it. The book is a great reminder that life on earth is nothing compared to the glorious riches of Heaven. That's why funerals rock. cont..
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit When you begin to read the book of Ecc., you need to know this book in context with the rest of the compilation of the Bible. Exegetically speaking, the statement "Sorrow is better than laughter" is documentary, meaning basically that many statements, such as this one, were personal reflections.
I know you read this isogetically because it is out context with the rest of the Bible, especially the later epistles. cont..
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit Pay close attention to this next comment of mine, not trying to sound rude, but I am a Bible Teacher, so pay close attention.
Your passage of choice is in a section of the Bible known as "documentary", not "commentary". To distinguish between the two one requires the Holy Spirit. For reference sake I'll explain it this way. Solomon was at the end of his life when he wrote this book. The man who had everything was stating important things, and personal things. cont..
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit You say because people are dieing and going to hell, that's true, but people are also accepting Christ and going to Heaven.
I know you laugh, but do you only laugh when you're not in a service somewhere or when you're thinking of Heavenly things?
I have a daughter, and she's hilarious, so I laugh at and with her. Is this wrong and inappropriate in a lost and dieing world to laugh at my daugher, who is a blessing from God? No, of course not.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit But here's what you're ignoring; Scripture says to be joyful and rejoice AT ALL TIMES.
You know why the pastor was able to laugh at the bald and jeans remarks? Because it's silly and stupid. Just as I laugh at your remarks, it's silly. This shouldn't even be an argument, that's how stupid this is.
You are unbalanced and need to go pray about this. I mean, you actually said, in bold lettering, NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO LAUGH... why? Why not? cont..
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit You mean to say that I ignore the Scriptures that say to mourn even though I said we should mourn? I laugh at that because you're being silly.
You're a glass-half-empty kind of person... You are also, in fact, an extremist. I know this because of your statement against the speakers joking. A balanced person wouldn't have said anything at all about it.
I know you like to laugh, you just seem to be ignoring the fact that I read your comments. I KNOW YOU LAUGH... cont.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit I'm sorry, I feel bad that you've been lead down this path, but hopefully with the right balance of Scripture you will see that along with long-suffering, Joy is one of the fruits of the Spirit, and we are supposed to have ALL of these fruit.
And btw, the man speaking in this message: He called his congregation to grieve quite often. He knew that joy was pivotal in the life of a Christian, but he also knew to grieve.
You were all about mourning, now you will be about both.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit "Though the fig tree does not bud and there are no grapes on the vines, though the olive crops fails and the fields produce no food, though there are no sheep in the pen and no cattle in the stalls, YET I will REJOICE IN THE LORD, I will be JOYFUL IN GOD MY SAVIOR."
"Do not grieve, for the joy of the Lord is your strength." Neh 8:10
You are right, we should grieve from time to time, but we are supposed to rejoice AT ALL TIME!
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit K, now outside of logic, let's have some Scripture.
"Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!" Phil 4:4 How often are you to rejoice? You know the answer, Always!
"Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds." James 1:2
cont..
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@mikeyboy86 On the note of Phil 4:4, I'd like to add that he found this so important, he said it twice. "Rejoice, I'll say it again, REJOICE! ALWAYS!"
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit Your convictions are not mine. But as a pharisee would, you have come here telling us how wrong we are that we enjoy laughter. I'm sorry, but you sir are wrong for sticking to one extreme and not balancing yourself out.
"By faith even Sarah herself received ability to conceive, even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised." Heb. 11:11
You know what Abraham and Sarah's son's name was? Isaac. You know the meaning of Isaac? Laughter.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit Here's what you need to understand. God created me with laughter... therefore, I'm going to laugh. God created me also to cry, therefore, I'm going to cry. You swing this pendulum from one extreme to the other, and that's so not Biblical. Moderation is key, cry, but laugh also. Yes there are starving children, but there are also those (who are also supposed to be you) who feed them and are fed. There are lives taken, but there are lives saved.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit He said in His Word to take care of orphans, widows, the hungry, preach the Gospel to all the nations, and that's such a blessing. If you don't laugh, then I question your service to the Lord.
Remember when the apostles were flogged for preaching Christ? They left how? Mourning? Crying? Nope, REJOICING!
I am OK with you deciding to live your life in misery, it's a horrid life for a Christian whose example is opposite of that, but anyways, do not try and make us like you.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit I can't help but laugh and smile when I hand a starving person a meal and see their eyes light up with such joy. I cry, yes, but should we remain in that state? Not at all. It's sad that the world is in shambles, but if you're not doing what Christ said to do, then I totally understand why you find more to cry about than to laugh.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit It sounds like you have had a very sad life, it's the only logical reason I can think of that you don't want people laughing.
Does the Bible not say to do all things without grumbling? WORSHIP and PRAISE the Lord at all times, that's a celebration, not a funeral!
All Christians have reasons to laugh, Christ has promised us hope, a future, eternal life, a place with no more suffering, there's reason to laugh, absolutely!
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit Laugh a little, it really is OK. God made us with joy, LOVE, peace, and for someone to say you can't say a joke or joke around, whether outside a building falsely labeled "church" or behind the pulpit is totally non-Christian, unbiblical, and a downright shame that one hasn't yet allowed themselves to experience God's loving kindness, grace, mercy, and joy UNSPEAKABLE!
Laugh, it's what Father wants of us all. It really is.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit Which I just realized was within the same statement... "The enemy comes to still, kill and destroy, but I (Yeshua) have come that you may have life and live it to the full."
So you don't joke because not in the Bible? Do you get on the internet? That's not in the Bible.
Do you watch TV/read any other books than the Bible?
Do you drive a car? Not in the Bible.
Do you tell others how to live their Christian lives based on your own standards? That's in the Bible, but as a sin.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit Though church in America isn't Biblical and was instituted by Constantine... who says we can't have an enjoyable time in our Father's house? What a dull look on Christianity one must have if we can't share laughter. Even Solomon as he came near his death said there was a time to laugh. Yeshua Himself said He came to give life that we may live it to the full!
Laughter does good like a medicine is also a statement in the Bible. Don't come here trying to steal our joy man!
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
If Crystal Catheral Members all wear jeans and become more thrifty, then it wouldn't be in bankruptcy.
noformstyle 1 year ago
If Crystal Catheral Members all wear jeans and become more thrifty, then it wouldn't be in bankruptcy.
noformstyle 1 year ago
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noformstyle 1 year ago
A perfect being is complete has no need to do further exploration. So the concept of a perfect God creating humans that worship him makes no sense.....unless he is imperfect
Juneandplume17 1 year ago
@Juneandplume17 God gave us His Word, He explains everything we need to know in it, like His feelings. He tells us to pray, He did know Lucifer would become Satan and He knew man would rebel against Him. He created us because He is love and wanted share that love; a relationship. Thus, freedom of choice had to be established, so He established Law. If there was no Law to break, how can we choose? Otherwise, it would be forced, and prayer, being communication, would be pointless.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Juneandplume17 I recommend reading a Christian Bible so that you can understand the Christian lifestyle a bit better. I understand it is difficult for non-Christians, but I do not hold that against you since you do not abide by our God's Word.
If you have any questions I'd be happy to try and answer them for you.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@mikeyboy86 I was a christian I have read the bible many times, its all foolish, its all childrens stories. I will never get why christians think they know anything my answer when people say well what do you beleive in then? my answer is: I DONT KNOW and when their is proof of something I can say truely what I do.
honestly god/jesus probably not real...
if god was real in the way christians think then he would dislike all of us, we're all savage by nature.
Juneandplume17 1 year ago
@Juneandplume17 You know, much of science, history and archeological finds have proven time and again that each story of the Bible is true beyond a reasonable doubt.
Jesus has been proven to have walked the earth, this is now historical fact.
Even astronomers at NASA have been claiming for years that the supernatural is science fact.
Einstein himself was frustrated by the evidence because it all pointed to God, though he didn't want it to.
Read "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist".
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
@Juneandplume17 Once you read that book, you'll be answer people without saying "I don't know".
When peoples limbs are growing back and blind people are receiving their sight and cancer is disappearing from peoples bodies, you can't help but realize that the prayer you prayed to God for them had something to do with it. Especially when it happens that very moment.
Please, don't give up on God, because He hasn't given up on you either.
mikeyboy86 1 year ago
Christians waste their time praying for things since God has a plan and God is perfect, he will never change his plans to please you. If he does that then he wouldn't be perfect and superior
Juneandplume17 1 year ago
@Juneandplume17 Part of God's plan is us praying to Him. When we pray, we ask for His will to be done, not our will.
GodsServant05 1 year ago
1) If God is all knowing then he knew Lucifer would be Satan, which means God wanted evil in this world so why do we pray to him as if he cares about our wants and needs?
Juneandplume17 1 year ago
@Juneandplume17 Our wants and needs should be His will for our life. I don't want anything outside of God's plan for my life. His plan is way better than my plan!
GodsServant05 1 year ago
Refreshingly challenging.
Bring it on
corestin 1 year ago
Francis. I just wanted you to know that I love my pastor. he lives what he preches. I should know...I call him dad.
chellieblondegirl 1 year ago
If you wear your jeans to church to be rebelious, then it is wrong. But, if you wear jeans, and you wear them to church- perhaps you have made someone comfortable who is visiting your church for the first time and suddenly they hear the sermon, and they believe. Isn't that the goal? To share the love of Jesus, and bring the lost to knowledge and faith? I believe it is.
Kitten1020 1 year ago
God bless.
1800tellmama 1 year ago
6.Hebrews 7:26 (Whole Chapter)
For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
1800tellmama 1 year ago
Ex11:7 But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel. Lev.10And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
1800tellmama 1 year ago
"Wear your Sunday best" is not Biblical at all. The people who try to convince you of that use very obscure verses. Francis is right; these prominent religious figures enforce these manmade Christian rules. If you come to church, 100% true of heart and worship, do you honestly think God will say "You know, that's great, but I can't take you seriously." Wearing nice clothes is not a form of worship.
JimmyNotebook 1 year ago
YEAHHHH!!!! RIGHT ON FRANCHIS!!!!! your insane dude, so rad.
JesusRad20 1 year ago
Amen all over the place! give up for Freedom.Fear SUCKS!
raggedjane 2 years ago
Simply epic.
Francis really makes me realize how narrow the path truly is... So many can't accept grace through faith alone.
TimidTheBrave 2 years ago
Simply epic.
Francis really makes me realize how narrow the path truly is... So many can't accept grace through faith alone.
TimidTheBrave 2 years ago 12
@TimidTheBrave the book of James clears it up,After your saved now your saved for good works,works like the letting God change the way you talk,dress,act,your whole being should be guided into sactification,,,behold all things become new!
sidebarr7 1 year ago
@TimidTheBrave interesting point. That "narrow way" thing can be so risky, b/c people turn to legalism to soothe their conscience and pridefully convince themselves that they are on that path.
janeym 1 year ago
I was moved by this and I thought it was beautiful,I think some of you missed what was being said,and I would just like to say that I dont care what a preacher whares ,but wether or not he stands on the word.
ps.I am a bad spelling ,:) sorry ,lol.
trinadweber 2 years ago 4
you all are philosophizing way too much. jeez
arnoldsimage 2 years ago
and a lot of the references are to things that in that culture were not acceptable, and so we need to be very much aware of the way we dress so that we do not seem to be somehting we are not to people of this culture or of another culture. Just check out romans 14: 13-18 to see more about not causing other people to stumble, or not to do something that other people may be offended by.
michaba03 2 years ago
I agree if the holes are in inappropriate, but if you've seen the video this message is from you'll know it's just in the knees.
And you are right to say the NT talks about how we dress... and most of the time it is saying not to dress up. Not to decorate, be modest...
And in my experience, no matter what you do, someone will ALWAYS be offended somehow. You can never win, so being yourself in Christ is truly the best answer, and never backing down from what the Lord Himself has shown you.
mikeyboy86 2 years ago