@Mary was sinless, in terns of grace (not divinity) she was impeccable since she is described with the same words use to refer to r Lord. "Full of Grace": in the book of John they use this same word for Jesus. Is Jesus Full of Grace? Yes, if u say Mary was highly favored u must admit that Jesus was highly favored and not full of grace. "BLESSED R U" and BLESSED is the fruit of thy womb JESUS." Both are blessed, they have no original sin.
@Kiwic, we agree salvation is a gift of God, but we have to quote Protestants "accept Christ" or respond to the gift. What is the appropriate response? To have faith and do the will of God. Remember "a man is justified by works...."and NOT by FAITH ALONE." (James 2:24). You say the teachings of the Catholic Church r contrary but the Bible calls her the Pillar of Truth, I believe the Bible.
@Kiwic Mary is the "Queen of Heaven," When the angel Gabriel came to her, his salutation was "Hail, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee." the word "Hail" is a title given to members of royalty, that is why the virgin was confused (Luke 1:29) She is queen cuz she is the mother of the King of Kings, Jesus. Bishop Liguoris does not speak for the Church, go to the Catechesis of the Church and see the contrast.
the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.
There are so many verses in scripture that contradict RCC theology Rom 4:5 utterly condemns the System of salvation by masses penance priests etc, bible teaches that salvation is gift of God not of works & this gift is freely given by God to those who trust in the merits of Christ's finished work on Calvary
From Bishop Liguoris' "The Glories of Mary", APPROVED by the vatican! "She (Mary) is . . . the only hope of sinners: (p. 69),"We will be heard and saved sooner by going to Mary, and invoking her holy name, than that of Jesus our Savior. We will find salvation sooner going to the mother than going to the Son" (p. 82),"Many things asked of God and not received are asked and received from Mary (p. 82). All obey the precepts of Mary, even God" (p. 115). ALL CATHOLIC LIES!
DerektheDuctTape,Jesus is the eternal King and so His holy Mother is the Queen Mother wether you like it or not, so where in the bible does it say....Where in the Bi `Altar call? 'Personal' Savior? `Trinity? `Bible? `Scripture only? `Once saved always saved?
Here`s the painful reality,the Bible contains none of the above,but you holier than thou people love to throw stones!
Salvation is not by city or town, but by faith (Eph. 2:8; Rom. 10:8-11). It makes no difference whether we belong to a church established by Peter, Paul, or Apollos (1 Cor. ch. 3), as long as we believe in Christ, and therefore ARE Christs (1 Cor. 3:21-23).
" For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ" (1 Cor. 3:11).
and has nothing to do with the 18th century. The name "Roman Catholic Church" was never uttered by anyone during the first thousand years of Christianity; it came into existence after the final schism between east and west in 1054 [and schism is not catholicity - is it?].
The Church was founded in Jerusalem (Luke 24:47; Acts chapters. 1-8). The foundation and cornerstone of the church [Christ, not Peter], was laid in Zion ( Is. 28:16, 1 Peter 2:6; Rom. 9:33, Acts 4:12).
Paul, in the context of this symbolism, likens the new covenant to heaven, which he calls the Jerusalem above, which is our mother [as opposed to Hagar].
As far as the binding and loosing, this same authority is given to ALL the apostles in Matt. 18:18, and in the context of the entire discourse Matt 18:15-20, may well extend to all believers.
My theology, unlike yours, is the first century Christianity as promulgated by Christ and the Apostles as found in the New testament. [cont]
Paul is clear -he is using SYMBOLIC language: "... which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all."
The earthly city of Jerusalem corresponds to Hagar, which in turn corresponds to the old covenant. [cont]
ALSO refers to individuals, those who are saved by repenting & believing the gospel, and thereby being being sealed for eternity by the Holy Spirit (Mark 1:15; 2 Peter 3:9; 1 Cor. 15:1-11; Romans 10:8-13; Eph 1:13-14; 2 Cor. 5:5) - NOT "the Catholic Church and all who have been saved through the sacrament of baptism within the Church".
These aforementioned saved individuals are seen in Rev. 19:7-14.
In the imagrey from Galations, the 'Jerusalem above... the mother of us all [cont]
I know what "John clearly said." You dont. The reference to the Holy City coming down from heaven is just that; A CITY! It has specific dimensions, walls, foundations, gates. The city itself is indeed called the bride of Christ.
This exact imagry is used to describe the saved believers of all the ages, and God has used this imagry throughout the scripture to describe His relationship to His people. Paul uses it to desribe the NT church (Eph 5:25-32; 2 Cor. 11:2).
Sorry, but the woman in Rev. 12 represents the nation of Israel (compare with Genesis 37:8-10). Jesus Himself said that "Salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22), not of Mary.
Sorry, but Genesis 37 may represent the nation of Israel, or the People of God in the Old Covenant. The woman in Rev 12 represents the Catholic Church, the People of God in the New Covenant. (Gal 4:26; Rev 21:2) The Church is the spotless bride of Christ.
The woman also represents Mary, as she is our Mother. Christ on the cross said to John, this is your mother. Referring to the Apostolic Succesion of the Church. The crown with 12 stars symbolize the 12 tribes of Israel and the Apostles.
An imaginitive bit of Romish eisegesis-but quite wrong. The woman in Rev. 12 gave birth to a child who was to "rule all nations with a rod of iron" (Rev. 12:5), Yeshua. The roman "church" did not give birth to Christ, but the nation of Israel did (note the Genesis promises, where Abraham, Issac, & Jacob are told that "In YOU, all the nations of the earth shall be blessed". Christ Himself, in His glorified state, identifies Himself as such "I am the root and offspring of David" (Rev. 22:16), ...
..the "Lion from the tribe of Judah" (Rev5:5). The nation of Israel then, clearly, is represented as giving birth to Jesus. The woman could not be the "church" of Rome, and so is properly identified with Israel per Gen. 37:9.
Equally fanciful is Rome's interpretation of John 19:26-27. Verse 27 makes the plain meaning clear - Jesus was simply committing the care of his widowed mother to the Apostle John who, by all scriptural accounts, was of a family of means, and so equipped to do so.
The verses in John 19:26-27 are very clear: Mary, the new Eve, (Gen 2-4) is the spiritual mother of the Church, represented by John. The synoptic gospels do not mention this, but it's telling the John does include it... clearly these are not random words spoken by Christ on the cross. The same is true for the seamless tunic of Jesus (John 19:23-24), which stands for the unity of the Catholic Church.
It's obvious that none of the 30,000protestant churches are intended.
Mary is nowhere in Scripture called "the new Eve". Jesus, on the other hand, IS referred to "the second Adam" (1 Cor. 15:45-47; Romans 5:12-19).
You say "Mary is the spiritual mother of the church." Chapter and verse, please. You say "the seamless tunic of Jesus stands for the unity of the Catholic Church." Chapter and verse, please. (In fact, the significance of Christs seamless tunic is that as such, the Roman soldiars casts lot for it, fulfilling messianic scripture.... [cont.]
" When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his garments and divided them into four parts, one part for each soldier; also his tunic. But the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom, so they said to one another, "Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it to see whose it shall be." This was to fulfill the Scripture which says, "They divided my garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots." So the soldiers did these things...[cont]
The statement "the seamless tunic of Jesus which stands for the unity of the Catholic Church" is a forced and highly fanciful Romish interpretation.
Now if you're going to jump around, Rev. 21:2 nowhere speaks of "spiritual Israel." It refers to the bride of Christ during the eternal state, which is the body of saved believers from all ages, saved "by grace, through faith" (Eph. 2:8), not affiliation with Rome.
...and wrong again. John clearly says: I saw the holy city.. A NEW JERUSALEM. What does Paul say in Gal 4:26: Jerusalem above is freeborn, SHE IS OUR MOTHER! The bride of Christ is the Catholic Church and all who have been saved through the sacrament of baptism within the Church. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven... the authority of Peter. (Matt 16:19) NOT 30,000 protestant groups from the 16th century onwards. Again, heretical 19th century private interpretations on your part.
Where in the bible does it say that everything should be in the bible? Chapter and verse please...
Never learned contextual reading in school? If you cannot even connect the obvious dots, why bother reading the bible at all? Never opened a book on judaism and and their Tradition which flows right into christian Tradition? Nah, you just mutilate the bible to suit your own twisted 19th century theology.
An inventive bit of heretical eisegesis which tries to make the Apocalypse of John say deceitful things that were not invented until the 16th century.
As stated before, there is a difference between the nation of Israel and the SPIRITUAL Israel (Rev 21:2). Mary and the nation of Israel did indeed give birth to a child that would rule all nations (Rev 12:5). The SPIRITUAL Israel of 12 Apostles, the Church , who are 'the rest of her offspring' (Rev 12:17) is indeed the Catholic Church.
@spikerite777 Unbelievable! The Bible speaks of the queen of heaven. Nowhere does God say mary is "full of grace", The woman in revelation is a picture of the Israelite nation as shown in Gen37:9,10 and since when do we get or obtain salvation from mary?
read the revelation 12:1.who was the woman describe here who is the mother of the male child (Jesus) whos going to rule the world.?common sense dear.anlys carefully my video.i guess its very clear.u can also watch all my apologetics video to understand more and for you to avoid misjudgement about our catholic faith.thnx...God bless..
@ahneong The woman in revelation is a picture of the Israelite nation as shown in Gen37:9,10 with the sun representing Jacob, the moon his wife Rachel, and the 12 stars representing the tribes of Israel. Christ was born of Israel. The Israelite nation is often referred to as a woman in Isaiah54:5 and Jeremiah31:32.This woman cannot be mary because the woman IS ON EARTH DURING THE TRIBULATION, whereas mary's spirit is in heaven at that time.
Quoting the bible in order to dump on any religion is a bit weak.
You are pouring turds on turds.
Mark Twain said....if you see someone arguing with an idiot, one thing is certain.
YOu have two idiots
coomadoug 9 months ago
@Mary was sinless, in terns of grace (not divinity) she was impeccable since she is described with the same words use to refer to r Lord. "Full of Grace": in the book of John they use this same word for Jesus. Is Jesus Full of Grace? Yes, if u say Mary was highly favored u must admit that Jesus was highly favored and not full of grace. "BLESSED R U" and BLESSED is the fruit of thy womb JESUS." Both are blessed, they have no original sin.
cathomania 11 months ago
@Kiwic, we agree salvation is a gift of God, but we have to quote Protestants "accept Christ" or respond to the gift. What is the appropriate response? To have faith and do the will of God. Remember "a man is justified by works...."and NOT by FAITH ALONE." (James 2:24). You say the teachings of the Catholic Church r contrary but the Bible calls her the Pillar of Truth, I believe the Bible.
cathomania 11 months ago
@Kiwic Mary is the "Queen of Heaven," When the angel Gabriel came to her, his salutation was "Hail, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee." the word "Hail" is a title given to members of royalty, that is why the virgin was confused (Luke 1:29) She is queen cuz she is the mother of the King of Kings, Jesus. Bishop Liguoris does not speak for the Church, go to the Catechesis of the Church and see the contrast.
cathomania 11 months ago
the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
There are so many verses in scripture that contradict RCC theology Rom 4:5 utterly condemns the System of salvation by masses penance priests etc, bible teaches that salvation is gift of God not of works & this gift is freely given by God to those who trust in the merits of Christ's finished work on Calvary
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
From Bishop Liguoris' "The Glories of Mary", APPROVED by the vatican! "She (Mary) is . . . the only hope of sinners: (p. 69),"We will be heard and saved sooner by going to Mary, and invoking her holy name, than that of Jesus our Savior. We will find salvation sooner going to the mother than going to the Son" (p. 82),"Many things asked of God and not received are asked and received from Mary (p. 82). All obey the precepts of Mary, even God" (p. 115). ALL CATHOLIC LIES!
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
DerektheDuctTape,Jesus is the eternal King and so His holy Mother is the Queen Mother wether you like it or not, so where in the bible does it say....Where in the Bi `Altar call? 'Personal' Savior? `Trinity? `Bible? `Scripture only? `Once saved always saved?
Here`s the painful reality,the Bible contains none of the above,but you holier than thou people love to throw stones!
crafter111 1 year ago
Salvation is not by city or town, but by faith (Eph. 2:8; Rom. 10:8-11). It makes no difference whether we belong to a church established by Peter, Paul, or Apollos (1 Cor. ch. 3), as long as we believe in Christ, and therefore ARE Christs (1 Cor. 3:21-23).
" For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ" (1 Cor. 3:11).
Amen!
all66books 2 years ago
and has nothing to do with the 18th century. The name "Roman Catholic Church" was never uttered by anyone during the first thousand years of Christianity; it came into existence after the final schism between east and west in 1054 [and schism is not catholicity - is it?].
The Church was founded in Jerusalem (Luke 24:47; Acts chapters. 1-8). The foundation and cornerstone of the church [Christ, not Peter], was laid in Zion ( Is. 28:16, 1 Peter 2:6; Rom. 9:33, Acts 4:12).
all66books 2 years ago
Paul, in the context of this symbolism, likens the new covenant to heaven, which he calls the Jerusalem above, which is our mother [as opposed to Hagar].
As far as the binding and loosing, this same authority is given to ALL the apostles in Matt. 18:18, and in the context of the entire discourse Matt 18:15-20, may well extend to all believers.
My theology, unlike yours, is the first century Christianity as promulgated by Christ and the Apostles as found in the New testament. [cont]
all66books 2 years ago
Paul is clear -he is using SYMBOLIC language: "... which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all."
The earthly city of Jerusalem corresponds to Hagar, which in turn corresponds to the old covenant. [cont]
all66books 2 years ago
ALSO refers to individuals, those who are saved by repenting & believing the gospel, and thereby being being sealed for eternity by the Holy Spirit (Mark 1:15; 2 Peter 3:9; 1 Cor. 15:1-11; Romans 10:8-13; Eph 1:13-14; 2 Cor. 5:5) - NOT "the Catholic Church and all who have been saved through the sacrament of baptism within the Church".
These aforementioned saved individuals are seen in Rev. 19:7-14.
In the imagrey from Galations, the 'Jerusalem above... the mother of us all [cont]
all66books 2 years ago
I know what "John clearly said." You dont. The reference to the Holy City coming down from heaven is just that; A CITY! It has specific dimensions, walls, foundations, gates. The city itself is indeed called the bride of Christ.
This exact imagry is used to describe the saved believers of all the ages, and God has used this imagry throughout the scripture to describe His relationship to His people. Paul uses it to desribe the NT church (Eph 5:25-32; 2 Cor. 11:2).
The bride of Christ [cont]
all66books 2 years ago
Sorry, but the woman in Rev. 12 represents the nation of Israel (compare with Genesis 37:8-10). Jesus Himself said that "Salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22), not of Mary.
all66books 2 years ago
Sorry, but Genesis 37 may represent the nation of Israel, or the People of God in the Old Covenant. The woman in Rev 12 represents the Catholic Church, the People of God in the New Covenant. (Gal 4:26; Rev 21:2) The Church is the spotless bride of Christ.
The woman also represents Mary, as she is our Mother. Christ on the cross said to John, this is your mother. Referring to the Apostolic Succesion of the Church. The crown with 12 stars symbolize the 12 tribes of Israel and the Apostles.
SolaCatholica 2 years ago
An imaginitive bit of Romish eisegesis-but quite wrong. The woman in Rev. 12 gave birth to a child who was to "rule all nations with a rod of iron" (Rev. 12:5), Yeshua. The roman "church" did not give birth to Christ, but the nation of Israel did (note the Genesis promises, where Abraham, Issac, & Jacob are told that "In YOU, all the nations of the earth shall be blessed". Christ Himself, in His glorified state, identifies Himself as such "I am the root and offspring of David" (Rev. 22:16), ...
all66books 2 years ago
..the "Lion from the tribe of Judah" (Rev5:5). The nation of Israel then, clearly, is represented as giving birth to Jesus. The woman could not be the "church" of Rome, and so is properly identified with Israel per Gen. 37:9.
Equally fanciful is Rome's interpretation of John 19:26-27. Verse 27 makes the plain meaning clear - Jesus was simply committing the care of his widowed mother to the Apostle John who, by all scriptural accounts, was of a family of means, and so equipped to do so.
all66books 2 years ago
The verses in John 19:26-27 are very clear: Mary, the new Eve, (Gen 2-4) is the spiritual mother of the Church, represented by John. The synoptic gospels do not mention this, but it's telling the John does include it... clearly these are not random words spoken by Christ on the cross. The same is true for the seamless tunic of Jesus (John 19:23-24), which stands for the unity of the Catholic Church.
It's obvious that none of the 30,000protestant churches are intended.
SolaCatholica 2 years ago
Mary is nowhere in Scripture called "the new Eve". Jesus, on the other hand, IS referred to "the second Adam" (1 Cor. 15:45-47; Romans 5:12-19).
You say "Mary is the spiritual mother of the church." Chapter and verse, please. You say "the seamless tunic of Jesus stands for the unity of the Catholic Church." Chapter and verse, please. (In fact, the significance of Christs seamless tunic is that as such, the Roman soldiars casts lot for it, fulfilling messianic scripture.... [cont.]
all66books 2 years ago
" When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his garments and divided them into four parts, one part for each soldier; also his tunic. But the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom, so they said to one another, "Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it to see whose it shall be." This was to fulfill the Scripture which says, "They divided my garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots." So the soldiers did these things...[cont]
all66books 2 years ago
The statement "the seamless tunic of Jesus which stands for the unity of the Catholic Church" is a forced and highly fanciful Romish interpretation.
Now if you're going to jump around, Rev. 21:2 nowhere speaks of "spiritual Israel." It refers to the bride of Christ during the eternal state, which is the body of saved believers from all ages, saved "by grace, through faith" (Eph. 2:8), not affiliation with Rome.
all66books 2 years ago
...and wrong again. John clearly says: I saw the holy city.. A NEW JERUSALEM. What does Paul say in Gal 4:26: Jerusalem above is freeborn, SHE IS OUR MOTHER! The bride of Christ is the Catholic Church and all who have been saved through the sacrament of baptism within the Church. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven... the authority of Peter. (Matt 16:19) NOT 30,000 protestant groups from the 16th century onwards. Again, heretical 19th century private interpretations on your part.
SolaCatholica 2 years ago 3
Where in the bible does it say that everything should be in the bible? Chapter and verse please...
Never learned contextual reading in school? If you cannot even connect the obvious dots, why bother reading the bible at all? Never opened a book on judaism and and their Tradition which flows right into christian Tradition? Nah, you just mutilate the bible to suit your own twisted 19th century theology.
SolaCatholica 2 years ago
An inventive bit of heretical eisegesis which tries to make the Apocalypse of John say deceitful things that were not invented until the 16th century.
As stated before, there is a difference between the nation of Israel and the SPIRITUAL Israel (Rev 21:2). Mary and the nation of Israel did indeed give birth to a child that would rule all nations (Rev 12:5). The SPIRITUAL Israel of 12 Apostles, the Church , who are 'the rest of her offspring' (Rev 12:17) is indeed the Catholic Church.
SolaCatholica 2 years ago
Hail Queen of Heaven, your are beyond compare.
Mary full of grace, enrobed with the sun.
Crowned with the stars, the moon is at your feet.
For our salvations dawn, we have received in you.
spikerite777 3 years ago
@spikerite777 Unbelievable! The Bible speaks of the queen of heaven. Nowhere does God say mary is "full of grace", The woman in revelation is a picture of the Israelite nation as shown in Gen37:9,10 and since when do we get or obtain salvation from mary?
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
No where in the Bible does it say that mary is the queen of heaven.
DerektheDuctTape 3 years ago
read the revelation 12:1.who was the woman describe here who is the mother of the male child (Jesus) whos going to rule the world.?common sense dear.anlys carefully my video.i guess its very clear.u can also watch all my apologetics video to understand more and for you to avoid misjudgement about our catholic faith.thnx...God bless..
ahneong 3 years ago 2
thanks for posting these it is great to hear someone defending our faith
me000057890 3 years ago
@ahneong The woman in revelation is a picture of the Israelite nation as shown in Gen37:9,10 with the sun representing Jacob, the moon his wife Rachel, and the 12 stars representing the tribes of Israel. Christ was born of Israel. The Israelite nation is often referred to as a woman in Isaiah54:5 and Jeremiah31:32.This woman cannot be mary because the woman IS ON EARTH DURING THE TRIBULATION, whereas mary's spirit is in heaven at that time.
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
allahu akbar!!!
phigammasigma 3 years ago
God is indeed great.
Legendry101 3 years ago