Did Jesus rise from the dead? ( Q & A Session - 7 of 8 )

[auditorization]

LOL I knew I didn't recognize this Christian, it's his second debate. He cannot answer any statements of Sam Shamoun and so he debates people with little to no experience. Nice one Shabir

[auditorization]

Jesus did not have friends in high places as Nadir states. He was not friends with the centurion the centurion killed him and after the sky went black and the earthquake happened, THEN he stated that truly this was the Messiah.

[nubbs]

it's obvious that mike has simply memorized craig. he uses the same turn of phrases, like "the eminent historian NT wrigtht". craig always calls NT wright "the eminent historian".

same with his arguments about the empty tomb being the achilles heal of the halucination argument

[cyberdems]

Fantastic job by Michael Licona, considering this was his second debate ! From the way he handled this debate I assumed he was a frequent debater!

[Hans021220]

I know that Jesus is alive even if we do not have any proove.I do not need a proof that He rose from the death.I just know He did.

[MultiNoNonsense]

@Hans021220 Look, if a crucified man rose from the dead walking around freely as seen by over 500 eye-witnesses according to Paul, then if 1 of the 12 disciples showed where Jesus was for his enemies to crucify him, at least one of the over 500 eye-witnesses would have showed where Jesus was seen alive in order for his crucifiers to break his legs like they broke his crossmates' legs, coz they would rather hear from eye-witnesses that he walked using crutches if he was still alive?

[auditorization]

@MultiNoNonsense They never broke Jesus's legs, he died before they broke any of the three's legs. Also when Jesus walked the earth after his resurrection he was somewhat in a physical/metaphysical form he walked through a door and also he ate dinner. So he's obviously not alive in the same way as he was when he died.

[MultiNoNonsense]

@auditorization

The Romans never broke Jesus' legs so as to let him walk later as Pilate found him innocent in John 18:38.

The Bible NEVER says as you falsely stated "he walked through a door", coz Jesus used to live there and subsequently knew how to unlock the door. Yes,"he ate dinner" to prove that he survived the cross and was NOT a spirit, "for a spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see me have.... and he showed them his hands and his feet." in Luke 24:39-40.

[MrRobertGulabo]

oh Mike... I was beginning to respect you, but you just had to appeal to people "folks, don't buy this". this doesn't belong to a reasoned debate. that kind of statement and appealing belongs to a political campaign.

[takewhole]

oh dear i hate it when christian debaters end their arguments with a deeply emotional non-argument and usually make a plea to the already converted.

[candiceevans1]

its funny how these Muslim theories always involves mental gymnastics and assumption. And usually Liberal scholars who hate Islam and xtianity. Why should we have to second guess our book but Muslims never second guess theirs? We have the most ancient copies of our and they are all consistent regarding the Gospels. John is the oldest but Shabir tries to imply it is the newest. He also implies that the Gospels were distorting truth. wldnt the apostles be afraid to lie ab GOD?

[saqib9876]

@candiceevans1 yes u have copies of copies of copies.not the original.they are not consistent as mark has a person view of jesus than john.read the bible and read the same event in both gospels.not like a story book.yes the gospels are distorted as in mark jesus is more like a man and in john hes godlike.

[f57mich]

not true, the friends of the crucified lots of times were given a drug that made them like dead, and then they later resucutated them. So this thought he came up with that the roman soldiers would be killed if not killed the person. to the man who said about justice of God, that we believe that God can forgive who he will. Satan said to God after God cursed him, that he" will make the people sin", and God answered that "And i will forgive their sins."

[strivetillend]

"Oh People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion, nor say of God anything but the truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of God, and His Word which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. Say not, 'Trinity.' Desist! It will be better for you, for God is One God, Glory be to Him! above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs" (4:171).

[strivetillend]

"If only they [i.e. Christians] had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course, but many of them follow a course that is evil" (5:66

[strivetillend]

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

[strivetillend]

"...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).

[strivetillend]

only Quran recognize the christians as 'people of the book'. as it's stated good things. Quran has claimed some of them will be rewarded heaven!

And why is that???

Allah is the only God.

Muhammad is his messengger.

[strivetillend]

you wont find the trinity word in the bible. but there you're! Quran stated it clearly! how can you not see???

Quran have already claimed jesus is the christ! what else?

it's you who dont want to accept the truth. so you shall be in the hell fire. you disgrace Allah and associated him with him become a baby,boy, man and dead!

surely you will be punish for your ignorance.

[123dsj123]

Several verses in the Old Testament reveal the Deity of the Holy Spirit. Psalm 104:30 reads, [When you send your Spirit, they are created] At the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. Christians coined the word TRINITY to mean God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit. Allah was there. 500 years later in the 7th century Allah miss-named the TRINITY as Jesus, Mary, and Allah—surah 5:116. How can Allah, the possessor of all collective knowledge, miss-named something so obvious?

[strivetillend]

"For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me."

John 8:38

"...This command I (Jesus) received from my Father."

John 10:18

[strivetillend]

"I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him."

John 13:16

[strivetillend]

...he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed...

Matthew 26:39

[strivetillend]

"By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear"...John 5:30

[123dsj123]

You sent me this: ["And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Did you say to men, 'worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He (Jesus) will say: "Glory to You! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said what is in my heart, though I do not know what is in Yours.] The question is what does that surah have to do with Christianity? That surah was put in the Quran to satisfy Muslims. Allah and the Quran have no effect on Christianity.

[strivetillend]

ive already gave you what jesus said about him as stated in your bible,clearly he is not other than a normal human being(blessed with prophethood). if you're not satisfy with that verse then just try to live according to your bible. and if youre really-really sincere, then God will help you to know Him. but instead if you choose to only 'to believe' that this and that, then it's your way. choose the second one only grows you to become ignorrant who speak rubbish.

[123dsj123]

The Holy Bible was completely written in about 100 A.D. In fact the Old Testament, which is the Jewish official Holy Book, was completely written and canonized about 400 years before that. Allah read and understood everything written in the Bible. In the 7th century, about 600 years later, Allah told Muhammad, [I am the one who authored and revealed the Bible.] If you find problem with the Holy Bible before the 7th century, you have questioned Allahs ability to good judgment.

[kojekish]

@123dsj123 : The problem is that : Muhammad does not speak English. So your claim is wrong. And the word is not Bible , but the word is Injil.

[123dsj123]

@kojekish You wrote: [Muhammad does not speak English. So your claim is wrong. And the word is not Bible.] I like that. The Uthman copy of the Quran was not written in the Quraysh language, the language of Muhammad. Bukhari:V4B56N709 [Uthman said to the three Quraishi persons, 'If you differ with Zaid bin Thabit on any point of the Qur'an, then write it in the language of the Quraysh, as the Quran was revealed in their language.' So they acted accordingly."] Quran not word of Allah.

[123dsj123]

@kojekish Science says mountains are built from rocks imbedded deep in the earth which are forced upward by compressional forces. Mountains do not hold down the earth to keep it in place. There are many verses in the Quran that say Allah threw down mountains like tent pegs (hooks) to hold the earth in place and from shaking. Quran 15:16 reads, [And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and rivers and roads.] The Score: Science 1, Islam 0.

[jaycrazyman]

@123dsj123 wer do you get ur info from the first bible was put together 600 years after the death of Jesus PBUH,

[123dsj123]

There is only one Version of the Holy Bible, but with many different translations just as there is only one Version of the Quran, but with many different translations — YUSUFALI, PICKTHAL, SHAKIR, SAID, MUHSIN KHAN, SAHIH INTERNATIONAL, DR. GHALI, etc. Surah 18:86 (MUHSIN KHAN) reads, [he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water.] Surah 18:86 (YUSUFALI) reads, [he found it set in a spring of murky water] One Bible, one Quran — each translation varies slightly.

[jaycrazyman]

@123dsj123 there are different versions of the bible, just for example the old and new testament totally different books. One talks of a hate filled god and the other preaches a god that is full of love.

[123dsj123]

@jaycrazyman The Old Testament was completed and canonized about 400 years before Jesus was born. The New Testament was written and canonized about 100 years after Jesus was born. In the 7th century, after almost 600 years later, Allah said it was he who revealed both the Old and New Testaments. Quran 2:285 reads, [The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, each one believeth in Allah, His angels, His books.]

[jaycrazyman]

@123dsj123 Allah SWT revealed the bible, Allah revealed the injil to Jesus PBUH but you and i both no that the bible does not contain the gospel of Jesus PBUH so therefore the book you talk of is not the same holy book we believe in!!!!

[jaycrazyman]

There are 8 primary versions found in history:

Septuagint - 250 A.D. Written in Greek

Vulgate- 400 A.D. First version of the Bible which is canonized at the Council of Carthage in 400 A.D. Written in Latin

Luther's German Bible- 1534 A.D.

[jaycrazyman]

@123dsj123

King James Version- 1611 A.D. This is the most widely used versions however it has large number of errors given that none of the writers had a decent understanding of Hebrew.

Revised Standard Version- 1952 A.D. Literal translation into American English which used the earliest possible text New International Version- 1960's & 70's A.D.

[123dsj123]

@jaycrazyman Rather than read the Arabic Version of the Quran, I prefer to read the Quraysh Version. Bukhari: V4B56N709 "Uthman called Zaid, Abdallah, Said, and Abd-Rahman. They wrote the manuscripts of the Quran in the form of a book in several copies. Uthman said to the three Quraishi persons, 'If you differ with Zaid bin Thabit on any point of the Quran, then write it in the language of the Quraysh, as the Quran was revealed in their language.' So they acted accordingly."

[jaycrazyman]

@123dsj123 u have gone off the subject there is only version of the Quran, the bible is not the same book that was revealed to Jesus PBUH,

[123dsj123]

@jaycrazyman Again, let me say this: There is only one Version of the Holy Bible, but with many different translations just as there is only one Version of the Quran, but with many different translations — YUSUFALI, PICKTHAL, SHAKIR, SAID, MUHSIN KHAN, SAHIH INTERNATIONAL, DR. GHALI, etc. Quran 3:54 (YUSUFALI) reads [the best of planners is Allah.] Quran 3:54 (PICKTHAL) reads [Allah is the best of schemers.] One Bible, one Quran — each translation varies slightly.

[jaycrazyman]

@123dsj123 there is a big difference in choice of words and choice of events, and if you keep repeating yourself your statement is not going to change the facts......

[123dsj123]

@jaycrazyman The name Allah belongs to a pagan god who was the designated seat of deity in pre-Islamic Arabia. As it is true with the case of every false god, the intelligence of Allah is as good as those who created him. There is much foolishness and ignorance in Quran 21:22. It reads, [If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both!] With that revelation, Allah kills himself — something he does every chance he gets.

[jaycrazyman]

@123dsj123 you cannot defend your bible so you do the obvious attack islam but that will not deter me from islam but secure my beliefs that the Quran is the word of Allah and the bible not the Injil is man made to suit t mans needs.

[123dsj123]

@jaycrazyman You wrote: [you cannot defend your bible so you do the obvious attack islam but that will not deter me from islam but secure my beliefs that the Quran is the word of Allah and the bible not the Injil is man made to suit t mans needs.] The problem is not that Christianity is not able to defend its Holy Book; the problem is you are not capable of putting forth a question. For example: What is your question against the Christian Holy Book to which I must defend?

[jaycrazyman]

@123dsj123 ok you want a question hey, does this sound like the actions of God Samuels 22:11 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.

Maybe i got it wrong but my understanding of cherub is a child like angel does that seem like an act of God riding a child?

[123dsj123]

@jaycrazyman You wrote: [Samuels 22:11 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.] You continued [Maybe i got it wrong but my understanding of cherub is a child like angel does that seem like an act of God riding a child?] You are right to say [cherub is a child like angel]. But how do we know since nobody has seen and photographed an angelic child? The definition and pictures of a cherub are of man. Angels do not give birth to young angels.

[karwank1979]

@123dsj123 if so why all christian bible written in arabic say Allah.

How ignorant you are of your knowledge? Get one copy of arabic bible and check it is written JEsus or God. It is written Allah and Eeesa.

GEt some life..

[123dsj123]

@karwank1979 You wrote: “How ignorant you are of your knowledge? Get one copy of arabic bible and check it is written JEsus or God. It is written Allah and Eeesa.” Only in the Quran and in the Islamic teachings is there such a thing as “God and Jesus.” In Holy Scriptures, the word “God” (singular) is the un-divided union of three: Father, Son, and Spirit. There is no such thing as God and Jesus. There is such thing as the Father and the Son, but not God and Jesus.

[123dsj123]

@jaycrazyman You wrote: [There are many different version of the Bible.] if you are right, then there are many different versions of the Quran. — YUSUFALI, PICKTHAL, SHAKIR, SAID, MUHSIN KHAN, SAHIH INTERNATIONAL, DR. GHALI, etc. Quran 3:54 (YUSUFALI) reads [the best of planners is Allah.] Quran 3:54 (PICKTHAL) reads [Allah is the best of schemers.]

[jaycrazyman]

@123dsj123 one mo thing schemers and planners is one in the same thing, its a choice of words,

[strivetillend]

It [the Quran] is simply a reminder to all the worlds. You will certainly know the truth of it after a while.

(Quran, 38:87-88)

[123dsj123]

There is no man who is so blind as the man who closes his eyes and says he cannot see. You are a blind man. In the 7th century Allah sent the Angel Gabriel to speak to Muhammad about the Bible and the Quran. [To thee We sent the Scripture in truth (Quran), confirming the scripture that came before it (Bible), and guarding it in safety (Bible)] Only a blind Muslim will say the Bible, including Paul writings, was corrupt before the 7th century.

[strivetillend]

you see 123dsj123 the muslims did believe the bible but not entirely. some traditions in the bible are accepted in islam. if the verse in the bible differ with the quran and sunnah then we reject it totally. Even your bible have 70 version! how can you say it's not corrupt??Open your eyes man or try wear glasses.

For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son. Quran-Sura Maryam (Mary) 92-

[strivetillend]

"And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Did you say to men, 'worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He (Jesus) will say: "Glory to You! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said what is in my heart, though I do not know what is in Yours.

[strivetillend]

For You know in full all that is hidden. "Never said I to them anything except what You commanded me to say, to wit, 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; And I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things." Quran 5:116-7

[strivetillend]

even the basic concept of god in christianity are confusing. God are 3 or 1? or 3 in 1? or 1 in 3? or did his mother also become god? god is a man? no? a father? no? did god have sex? he plant his seed in mary? why? god have beard? god die?god eat?god go to toilet? what?? why?

christians claimed judas betrayed jesus to crucified him but then they also believe jesus die for them?

is this was the case then it's a murder case not a saviour. even kids understand that.

[Sladar90]

@TheSaffyone

But you need to remember, we(Christian) are the people of the book. Not muslim, but Christian!

[TheSaffyone]

If you are people of the Book, we are the nation of the ultimate Book"God's Revelation"

Your book is corrupted

[Sladar90]

@TheSaffyone so you're saying Qu'ran is perfect? lol

in your dream pal

[AliMr1986]

mr shabir is sharper then kitchen knife

[DoubleDipperBrian]

I would disagree. I would say that the kitchen knife is sharper then mr. shabir. LOL

[TheHonestTheist]

/watch?v=fFH0khjgA0U

[aleenaa]

shabbir was simply awesome in this debate.

[DoubleDipperBrian]

Yes, he was awesome, indeed. But he was awesomely wrong when it comes to the evidence. He makes a good show but he has bought into a total lie and refuses to be open to the truth which the evidence clearly offers. He never did answer Mike's questions about the earliest of the status evidence, but rather, he just tap-danced around the issues.  Like I said, he puts on a good show with an evil message.

[ranger1360]

elli ,ala ,alla, ella. does this look or sound like jesus or jehova.

[DoubleDipperBrian]

Does Barak sound like Obama? Does Bill sound like William. Does Jack sound like John? Your point is...???

[ranger1360]

stop praising idols was one of the messages of moses and jesus. but now christians are doing the exact thing the pagen was, that was praising men and idols. jesus has become a man god. when he never himself claimed to be god. and the name alla is in the old and new testament. if you look at the verses that were changed by men. hebrew and arabic are sister lingo.

[Antisyncretism]

John 17:5:"And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."

Obviously Jesus claims to be God.

Allah is not in the OT or in the NT, how come none of God's names are found in allahs 99 names. And why care if ur allah has etymological roots in the names of the True God.

or is allat allah hmm thats more similar it wouldnt matter if a false gods name has some similarity and origin in the real God's names.

[strivetillend]

Allah means god. The 99 names were attributes. Jesus never claimed he was god but he was the prophet of god's.

[Antisyncretism]

u just made a statement of belief...so explain what John 17:5 means if it DOESNT mean he is claiming to be God.

[strivetillend]

that's what john said. Not Jesus(pbuh). they dont know each other. those were not even their real names.

still no claimed of jesus(pbuh) for being god.

Allah is The Only God.

[Antisyncretism]

No its what Jesus said, if u believe its John show me how.

Jesus is the english version for Iesous.

Jesus has claimed to be God look at (NIV) John 17:5:"John 17:5:"And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."

If u dont think thats a claim to be God explain why not.

Allah is just another false god

[strivetillend]

It's called 'JOHN'17:5 NOT 'JESUS'(pbuh)17:5.

'JOHN'17:5:"And now, FATHER, glorify ME in YOUR presence with the glory I had with YOU before the world began."

Do you have two gods?

Jesus(pbuh) was a messenger

Allah is the only One and True God.

[Antisyncretism]

no we dont have two gods. Jesus said he had glory with the Father ergo he is God.

two gods..are u accusing Jesus polytheism..tsk tsk. Remember Jesus is not isa, isa is a fictitous character

[DoubleDipperBrian]

There are lots of false gods and "allah" is just another one in a very long line. What did "allah" ever do for you? What did "allah" do for anyone of substance? Nothing! Jesus Christ gave his own life for us by dying on the cross on our behalf and giving us the promise of eternal life with him in Heaven. Now, that's doing something for us! And it was FOR us (not TO us) that he constantly works.

[strivetillend]

Mr.doubledipper, when did Jesus mentioned that he will die for your sin? who told you that? the bible? which verse?

there're too many facts that differ the crucifixtion. the signs of jonah also was not prophecies by jesus. who told you it was done? surely the bible confirm it was fail. so which source do you take to know your god? Bible is full of contradictions. God are too powerful and he dont have to be a baby who was circumsised, and die to clean adam's sin. He is god. He rule everything.

[mowiththeo]

John 17:5:

this verse by stating that God had Jesus in His foreknowledge and that is what Jesus meant when he refers to the preeminence of the world.

[Antisyncretism]

Jesus here is saying he existed before the world...so hes not only a human or a prophet and he says

"me in your presence with the glory I had with you "

No one has glory with God therefore Jesus is God

[tuber153]

well it was in Gods foreknowledge in John 17:5 same with Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations....So how did He exist? also when Jesus says IAM b4 Abraham, it refers in Gods Knowledge.

[Antisyncretism]

Jeremiah 1:5 is talking about Jeremiah's predestined task before he existed, READ

John 17:5 mentions pre-existance

Please understand the difference between pre-existance and predestination

[DoubleDipperBrian]

It's not just God's knowledge. Those passages apply to common man, but not to Jesus because he's much more than that. It is reality that Jesus co-existed with the Father before the creation of the world. Look at John 1:1-3,14 and John 8:58 "Before Abraham was, I AM". Furthermore, Colossians 1:15-17 and Matthew 22:41-44 clearly show how Christ was before all things.

[DoubleDipperBrian]

Allah is NOT God. Allah is Allah. He is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jaccob and he is certainly not the God of the Lord Jesus Christ. Allah is simply Allah. It was invented by Mohammad. It (not he) is not a God of love, hope, grace, and mercy. Rather, it is a god of hatred and terror. No wonder his followers are terrorists.

[strivetillend]

Hitler and Musollini are bigger terrosrist. they killed millions of people. They're both christians. did any muslims says christians are terrorist?

Your God command to kill the one who dont want to believe him. is that mercy? or Barbaric?

Muhammad was an illiterate man. He dont have a father and a mother to taught him. nobody has taught him anything.

you choose what you believe.

[DoubleDipperBrian]

You are so right - Mohammad was illiterate. But what is even more stupid is all the people who blindly follow him without investigating the truthfulness of his 'teachings'. Yes, Hitler did kill millions. But how many millions more have died at the hands of islamo-facists; Sadaam Husein being just one of them? And how many countless billions more have been forced to dwell under the umberella of a Islamic terrorist regime?

[strivetillend]

he was an illiterate man. but Quran tells you about signs,science,creations, life now and hereafter, it even tells about the universe,the planets and galaxy, so accurate. how could an illiterate man do that? the bible contained contradictions.

How many Iraqis were killed in order to kill Saddam? u invaded iraq and kill the muslims, u did that to palestine, bosnia, kosovo,afghan,etc, the reasons?? which islamic terrorist regime is the main force in some islam country?

[DoubleDipperBrian]

:Yeah, those accounts in the Koran were all bastardized and stolen from the Judeo-Christian Bible. The Koran is a total fake and you know it. I defy you to demonstrate anywhere in the Bible that contradictions exist. Furthermore your goofy account of the Iraq war demonstrates your further ignorance. Saddam Husein was a muslim who killed more muslims than any western war ever did. Besides, purging the world of evil men is by no means terrorism.

[strivetillend]

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. mark 13:32

this is one of many contradictions in the bible.

Christians believe that the Father ,the Son and the Holy Spirit are all different from each other. but this verse contradict your belief.

[DoubleDipperBrian]

You call that a contradiction??? Do you even know what a contradiction is? Furthermore, your comment demonstrates that you do not understand who Jesus was. Phil 2 clearly explains how he laid his Godhood aside to become completely human in his perfection. This was necessary so that he could die for the sins of fellow mankind and save us from ourselves. You would do well to study this passage.

[TheSaffyone]

@DoubleDipperBrian

The Muslim commentator were more knowledgeable of the bible more than the Christian one.

I have never seen a Christian schooler speaks from knowledge. They only repeats what they were told to say, meaning don't think or question. Those who think convert to Islam

[DoubleDipperBrian]

Judging by your poor English, I hardly think we can hardly consider you to be any kind of authority on Christianity nor Islam. And clearly you have never heard a true Christian Scholar because if you had, your head would be spinning from all of the documents and sources they have studied. And if you, yourself, would simply read the 4 Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles in the New Testament (those are in the Bible), then you would see just how wrong you are.

[TheSaffyone]

English is not my first language. I have read the bible for the sake of reading.

[DoubleDipperBrian]

Seriously! Where would you rather live? In Iran, in Jordan, in Afghanistan, or maybe that wonderful Islamic paradise that is Pakistan? Evidently not because here you are right here in the good, ol', Christian USA where you are free to believe your Islamic lies. (We REALLY need to change that.)

[DoubleDipperBrian]

Furthermore, Hitler and Mussolini were NOT Christians. Anybody can say they are Christian, but unless their lives exhibit forth the Fruit of the Holy Spirit, then they are liars. Clearly, neither one of them did that. You forget that Hitler killed millions more Christians than Jews.

[strivetillend]

hitler was a christian, sometimes you can see his pic with the cross. he said in his book that he's doing the god's work. he killed six million jews.. more christian died? where did you know that?

[DoubleDipperBrian]

Anybody can say they are "doing God's work". Even Mohammad claimed that. Big fat hairy deal! That doesn't mean anything. And it certainly doesn't mean that God approves of it. Plus I don't think you even know what a Christian is, so you don't really have any position on which to stand.

[DoubleDipperBrian]

The cros you claim you see is not a cross but a Swastika, or broken cross, which is a SATANIC symbol. Hitler was extremely superstitious and laid claim to many religious symbols including Islamic symbols. I guess that makes Hitler a muslim, too, right?

[kojekish]

@DoubleDipperBrian : Its too bad that Hitler is known to be a Christian - and even acknowledge in the Wikipedia... Christians really like to change history. Ha ha. What a joke.

[DoubleDipperBrian]

Wikipedia is not the final word on anything. Anybody can say anything on that site. Jesus said that Christians are identified by the Fruit of the Spirit. That fruit exhibits the characteristics: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.  Hitler demonstrated none of those characteristics. It is the wacko, islamo-fascist like you that are constantly trying to change history in order to justify your hate-filled cult.

[DoubleDipperBrian]

@kojekish Once again, you demonstrate your ignorance. Wikipedia is no authority on anything. Anybody can say whatever they want on that site. Alah is the real joke and Mohamad is the Joker of jokers.

[DoubleDipperBrian]

Hitler was NOT a Christian. Furthermore, you have no proof to back that statement up. I defy you to show me one photograph of Hitler setting foot in a church for the purposes of worshiping the one true living Lord God, Almighty and his son Jesus Christ, the Messiah.

[DoubleDipperBrian]

Allah does NOT mean God. Allah is a reinvention of the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible into something that is completely foriegn and counterfeit. Allah is a classic case of reinventing God in man's image. Allah is a terrorist to his followers and his followers become terrorists as a result. So please don't say that they are the same.

[DoubleDipperBrian]

That is not true. Jesus explicitly claimed to be God.  Read John 14, 15, 16 where he said, "I and the Father ARE ONE." Also, Phillipians 2 clearly explains how Jesus and God the Father are one.

[kubkave]

From Genesis thru the New Testament the names of God are plural, not in all forms, in the Hebrew, Aramaic and the Greek NT. Proving that Jesus is GOD and a part of the Trinity. Where did you get your degree in Ancient languages ranger? Not to mention your theology, "man god" that is not based on biblical writings. Man conceived notion to make himself feel better about being an agnostic.

[TheCoolmuslim]

the plural in ( arabic , aramic , hebrew )  is for respect

[DoubleDipperBrian]

Again, ignorance is demonstrated. Who shows respect for someone by referring to them as a plural? That doesn't make any sense at all. Besides, all you have to do is read the account of the creation in Genesis where God refers to himself as US, "Let US make man in OUR image...". The reason US is used is because God, the Father and God the Son were having a conversation. This is not a complex concept. The members of the Trinity CAN talk to each other. lol

[TheCoolmuslim]

@DoubleDipperBrian why do you thing that all languages are stupid as yours ? . just google " plural of respect " .

[DoubleDipperBrian]

Thing? What thing? LOL Your stupidity, as revealed in your question(?) needs no further expounding. Even your name is a contradiction in terms.

[Converted2Islam]

Shabir did not say Jesus was a blasphemer, he was simply referring to what the Jews in the Bible believed about Jesus.

[spicenut]

Shabir was wrong to talk about God raising a blasphemer from the dead. Jesus was not a blasphemer. He was the Son of God.

[yuslan]

seems like ally is better with the bible than mike. what duh...

[aariff84]

Shabir is so calm.. Good...

[mustafagtgt]

Yes shabir Ally did have a challenge especially when the entire audience was pointing questions at him