"look at these poor deer, poor, dead, beautiful deer..." - nek minute - "*BLAM* What a great shot! Oh, she's bleedin', quick, track her through the brush and put another shot in her!"; come on, they've got deer repellent 1080 now, what else are you going to complain about!
1080 is a disgrace. We are just a lazy species which always takes the cheapest and in this case the most disgustingly painful way to fix a problem that we caused in the first place. As long as its only other species dying painfully we dont seem to give a shit. But i bet if children started dying from 1080 they would stop dropping this crap straight away. Oh poor humans. No one gives a crap about the poor animals. New Zealand is a disgrace
you dont need to kill every last animal because that would fuck the food chain, managing them with traps or cyanide brings it into balance. possum fur is worth 135 dollars a kilo. ask yourself when it takes 17 possums to a kilo how much money is being wasted each year by poisoning them which takes over 40 hours to kill them and then the fur is wasted. also meat if poison was banned the chillers would open again and we would be able to make a good living out of hunting. whilst creating revenue
fuck you people are dumb, @GusLind01 possums are herbivores and dont eat meat so you dont know what your talking about. secondly, 1080 poison is killing many natives birds, i was told at the sika show on the weekend jst gone that 1080 is killing most of the kiwi in the areas where they monitor numbers. also 1080 isnt the only option before 1080 possums were managed highly effectively with traps. there wasnt a ridge in the country that hadent been trapped.
This is a bias one sided subjected doco which misinforms people about the sucesses which 1080 has done. I personally have investigated 1080 drop sites and can inform anyone that it does work, although not perfect it does work better than any other trapping method - unless of course any critic can come up with a better alternative, which these hunters cannot do. These Graf bro mentioned that 12,700 birds were killed by 1080, only to find out they infact froze to death, very very poor research.
@EvolvedParasite No one is stopping you from leaving you IDIOT. LEAVE if you feel that way - go live on the moon or in the ocean or where ever else you think humans "naturally" came from. But as usual you type of idiots love to say things that you don't even believe yourself.
It's not used in other countries because they have native land mammals. 1080 targets mammals and our only native land mammals are bats who dont eat it. You guys are being brainwashed.
@mexz1 your so- called 'documented evidence' is nothing more than bullshit. I recommend you watch this type in 1080 Poison - Grafs Wrong and watch that video.
@domM909 The video you recomended was a waste of time. Produced by DOC and you wonder why it supports 10-80 use. No matter how you look at it dropping poison to control a species that WE introduced is just another example of the clean and green illusion we have all been sold. Surely you can see the hypocrisy in using poison to "save" our native species. Mans arrogance knows no bounds and our quest to control nature will backfire. Clean and green yea right
You're full of shit, get out there with you're traps and climb aroung all those cliffs, exactly aye you wouldn't and its virtually impossable. Its all around Taupo, has been for years and theres as much Deer and Pigs as ever, also the bird life there is unlike I've ever seen around the rest of the North Island while I trapped Possums on the ground for a living for 7years. Go to link road and check out the Kaka's, its unbelievable. You's are a joke, invest you're time in making another poison
@kruiser98 really? doing nothing? 3 words Department of Conservation DoC for short. I do more for this country that alot of its fucking locals, you twat bag. The only things 1080 is killing are the things that arent supposed to be here. I see you removed your original comment, could it be because it was all a lie?
for all those who dont think deer are a pest let me explain what it is they do...deer are selective feeders-ie they eat the tastiest/softest plants (possums do this also) in the beech forest there is a canopy of beech trees (wich deer dont really eat) and a thin soft understory of tastey soft plants-broadleaf,fivefinger,fushia that produce all the fruit food of the forest.Deer completely eat out the soft understory-leaving an empty ecosystem with no fruiting plants!
@lukebirdbeard last weekend whilst hunting in an area that had been 1080'd i saw 3 dead morepork, what good's fruit with no birds.
yes deer are pests, but i and many others who love hunting and the outdoors would kindly take to the hill for a living if the government would employ us to hunt, it would be far cheaper to employ people to do this job and far better for our country in more ways than 1 ie create jobs, keep poison of our land,reocver meat&skin 4 $ and do the same with possums
i am a keen hunter and enjoy just being our n.z bush.
1080 i feel kills EVERYTHING that touches it.
ok possums are pests i agree
they are also a good way to make money via trapping
if a good bounty was to be put on our pests i bet u my balls hunters would not only be out shooting deer & dog'n boars but would adapt thier skills to hunt these pests to make money
1080 is cruel & dangerous
if its not eaten its washed into our soil and water ways then what over time
@MrNgm12345 You have the audasity to say this yet it was your European Ancestors that came to Aotearoa and cleared millions of hectares of Native bush to introduce Cows, Sheep, Goats, Pigs, Rabbits, Possums, Stoats, noxious weeds and other vermin etc etc, now what little remains DOC 1080s and is desperately trying to kill and eradicate the rest.
deer hunting is a big sport and all u people that opose it and say it it is ok maybe u should try a couple of pellets and maybe u might enjoy it if all the deer and pigs are killed what happens to new zealands hunting that we are famous for maybe we should start a new sport called 1080 chopper hunting maybe even go on a government hunt
@MrNgm12345 yea we do like to shoot the last deer, save 1080 poison gettin to the poor cunt. what about the native birds getting wiped out in there millions each year load of shit do you go and count every bird in the scrub or somthin. who said the forest as you call it being transformed are you looking up your arse ??? since when are deer a pest any way??? oh leaving a track in the dirt real harm to the enviroment betta go kill it with 1080.
DONT ANYONE BRING IN A STUPID DEBATE ON HOW SOMETHIGN IS VERMIN OR INTRODUCED, IMMIGRANTS ARE VERMIN AN INTRODUCED, but they let those fuckers go world wide an destroy the whole Earth
this is the smartest comment ive ever read on you-tube,your an intelligent person and have brilliant insight into a real problem.if you look at populations of humans in the world,they're exactly as you say, pests and invasive species on native habitat .
my grandmother and father came to North America during the second world war to escape the genocide and killing and were landed immigrants,who then had my father,and now theres me and my children .BUT WHATS THE ALTERNATIVE
@MrNgm12345 Are you a redneck? Maori, Slope Head? or the biggest loser of all a Farmer?? Try culling yourself an family 1st an help with there being more land
OK I shall explain again, no introduced species is killing the native animals off, EXCEPT ''US'' we kill billions each year for land clearing, so stop oimmigration an stop breeding, we breed quicker than bloody rabbits an have no predator YET we are the only thing that needs culling, man get a brain, anyone who thinks animals do damage or as much as farmers an government go on is a media nut case
OK I shall explain again, no introduced species is killing the native animals off, EXCEPT ''US'' we kill billions each year for land clearing, so stop oimmigration an stop breeding, we breed quicker than bloody rabbits an have no predator YET we are the only thing that needs culling, man get a brain, anyone who thinks animals do damage or as much as farmers an government go on is a media nut case
@MrNgm12345 OK I shall explain again, no introduced species is killing the native animals off, EXCEPT ''US'' we kill billions each year for land clearing, so stop oimmigration an stop breeding, we breed quicker than bloody rabbits an have no predator YET we are the only thing that needs culling, man get a brain, anyone who thinks animals do damage or as much as farmers an government go on is a media nut case
@peatree28 Seriously? Do you really think that possums cause no harm to our ecosystem? They ringbark our trees (it kills them within a year or so), eat our native bird's eggs, eat the bird's food supplies - i.e. berries, and they eat the tree foliage - ruining the mossy undergrowth that the animals like the kiwi need to survive.
Get your act straight - it seems at times like the public consists of ill-informed, biased, and stupid people who are too lazy to see the truth.
@NoCakeFourU I reckon you rthat fat lazy immigrant that has no idea, millions of yrs animals have been on this planet, not over breeding or destroying anything, were only here a few yrs an weve destroyed anything we touch, poison all the immigrants an muslims an there might be enough land for the original animals to survive in
@MrNgm12345 ITS THE FACT OF HOW CRUEL IT IS AN PAINFUL ... ITS USED IN AUSTRALIA TO FOR DINGOES, KOALAS, AN ALL OUR ENDANGERED ANIMALS, IT ALSO KILLS THE ANIMALS THAT EAT THEM, I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT CASUED THE TUMOURS IN THE TASSIE DEVIL, FUCK ALL OUR GOVERNEMNT AN CRUELTY, CULL IMMIGRANTS AN HUMANS, THERE THE ONLY PESTS
@castle001 maybe the government could send people like you who've got nothing better to do than sit on thier arses in front of the computer cricising out there aye.
@castle001 why is it the same possum is a protected species in Australia? how is it they don't have the problems attributed to possums in New Zealand? Could it be native parrots that are responsible for tree damage and could it be that the possum is not a major vector in TB in cattle as we are led to believe? Australia has lot more forest and bush and a lot more cattle than we do.
I spent a few days parking near the Waipapa dam one Christmas. There were signs saying that 1080 had been spread. Only a drongo misfit would fail to notice the birdsong. Tui. All day, loud and long. The 1080 had been laid about 10-14 days before. Time enough to kill the possums, time enough for the birds to realise.."Hey, we can go back there". so they do.
It is bloody disgraceful how government officials can stand by and let this happen in this land we call home, it is high time that all new zealanders tangata whenua included we need to act NOW! in stopping this insane genocide of animal cruelty and abuse
@soriku132 ITS THE FACT OF HOW CRUEL IT IS AN PAINFUL ... ITS USED IN AUSTRALIA TO FOR DINGOES, KOALAS, AN ALL OUR ENDANGERED ANIMALS, IT ALSO KILLS THE ANIMALS THAT EAT THEM, I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT CASUED THE TUMOURS IN THE TASSIE DEVIL, FUCK ALL OUR GOVERNEMNT AN CRUELTY, CULL IMMIGRANTS AN HUMANS, THERE THE ONLY PESTS
I tire of this sort of anti-1080 propaganda. Dead deer is one thing, what about the dead kaka that the possums and mustelids eat? 9 out of 10 kaka in Waitutu are male because the females and chicks have had their heads chewed off. 1080 gives them a chance to breed- within 2 years they will be up to 120% of the pre-drop population and 30% will be juveniles. If there is a conspiracy, it's the one the anti-1080 nutters are working on.
@GusLind01 the thing is the kaka eat the 1080 too. you dont know how bad 1080 is. what if i gave you a bit of it to chew on how would you like that....
@GusLind01 I'm pretty sure you are misguided. No-one is saying don't kill pests...people are just saying don't use 1080. There are loads of other ways to do it. DOC are just lazy red-tape idiots so this is cheap and easy to spread. DOC basically says its within budget who cares about anything else. You have brought into their propaganda just nicely.
@GusLind01 The argument that using 10-80 will increase bird populations in the wild is completely false. In fact if you do the research you will find that the numbers of birds killed by eating the pellets is far greater than the number of birds killed by pests. Trapping is a far more effective means of controlling pests without the "collateral damage" bought on by 10-80.
@mexz1 I have done the research. Go to Waitutu forest: there you will find the bird population greatly improved after 1080. Let's get the facts right about trapping: to get sustainable biodiversity (rata survive long term, for instance) the residual trap count has to be lower than 3%. That means that for every 100 traps you put out each night, you have to catch less than 3 possums. If you put the traps 25m apart you have to walk about 1km to get a possum. That's very hard work without a track.
@GusLind01 every time there is a species kill off the species, if any survive they will breed in greater numbers to compensate for their loss, including the possums! a situation is created that is not one of balance. An unnatural accumulative poison is added to the environment, People are put out of work, the income of trappers is destroyed and that of those associated with the fur industry, valuable food sources are also eliminated or made unfit for human or animal consumption.
@mexz1 I have persoanlly investigated the Waitutu four times, and I am an independent researcher with a BA in Environmental Science, I can tell you that it like any other researcher in the location 1080 has worked incredibly well to protect kaka populations, hunters hate it because it kills off some pests they would prefer to eat and thats understandable to a limited extent.kakas wouldnt eat it, that is pure anti 1080 properganda , they arent colour blind either, which hunters often think.
@MrGlennsftmb you have a BA and you spell it "proper ganda"? any poison is dangerous where are the studies on the long term accumulative effects in soil, waterways, coastal marine life, earthworms etc? This place is far from as clean or abundant now compared to even just 40 years ago, as far as my observations have gone New Zealand is stuffed,
Even the places that are too hard to get to to exploit will, over time, suffer as coastal waters carry poisons around the whole country .
@chris5a3w if your attacking me for a spelling mistake on Youtube thats a very weak way to win an arguement, otherwise just check out your poor grammar. If earthworms died from poison then there would nt be any on farms and rubbish tips, the point is we all understand that 1080 isnt perfect, but when used appropiately it is extremely effective, the methodology is cyclic and needs improving and unfortunately errors will be made in the process to get there -.
@chris5a3w it is nuts to think that coastal waters will carry 1080 and pollute the country, the stuff breaks down pretty quickly in water and water is the worlds most effectly solvent, where do you think carbon dioxide and monoxide gets mainly absorbed. yes thats right the sea - 50x more than land can, which is why air quality is cleaner in the Southern hemisphere than the Northern - possums bounties were nt effective in the 1980s because long term they were nt profitable or sustainable.
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anyway Trakabat has some very convincing post-drop video and audio from Lake Daniels (see video responses above) even your Graff mates can't argue with that.
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My question is, what are YOU doing to reduce the pests and predators that are threatening many of our species with extinction?(apart from killing pigs and deer for recreation) If you are just some hunter that wants to protest about the 'bad stuff' and leave the forests to slowly die, you have no credibility in my eyes. . After a 1080 drop the possums die and the rats, and when the stoats eat the dying rats, well it's was lights out for them.
Mr Innes said the mammal war on birds went unnoticed because it occurred at night at the top of trees. "There has not been one published eye-witness account of a ship rat killing a bird, yet it's been going on since the ship rat arrived here, and the kiore (native rat) before then. There is nowhere that a bird can lay a nest that a rat can't get to.
Mr Innes said forest covered 23 per cent of New Zealand, an area totalling 5.98 million hectares. He said if there were five native bird nests to each hectare in any nesting season, that was 29.9 million nests. Of those, 73 per cent failed a total of 21.827 million nests and, at an average of two eggs per nest, a total of 42.654 million chicks which failed to fly from the nest.
Predators are blamed for 61 per cent 26,628,940 of chick and egg losses.
Hamilton-based Landcare Research scientist John Innes
said it was time opponents of 1080 "got real about the facts".
"Most endemic forest birds are disappearing because of predators 1080 opponents should get their heads around the fact that while they complain about cruel deaths, millions of forest birds are being killed by mammals every year."
dude ...calm down.... just breathe it's ok the voices in your head will go away just remember ...take the blue pill every morning.
oh yeah...you use 85% of world production because you don't have indigenous native mammals, every mammal in your forests is a pest and right now is eating native birds and forests....
To all the stupid dumb assed ignorant pro 1080 fools comments below .a. Why does doc use 90% world production . b. Why is it banned and rapidly being banned worlwide .c.Why is congress trying to close tull chemicals. d. why is doc ahb erma or whoeva trying to buy tull chemicals ..Why is doc so arrogant in ignoring the rest of the world.. ban the shit . Go hit.. trakabts...doc pr west coast .. bullshit .. he's blocked me
There are now 40 million less possums in NZ thanks in the most part to 1080. There have been no adverse effects on humans in well over 50 years of using 1080 in NZ. How much more safe does this stuff have to be???
oh yeah ...at the same time as the drop on Rangitoto-Motutapu DoC did a drop on all the eastern islands in the Bay of Islands, absolutely no problems ..nothing, nada, nicht, ....
Hi saltydog45 last week a pair of kakariki (that's a native parrot) and their fledgling were sighted on pest free Rangitoto - Motutapu. How cool is that!! check out waihekedot tv for heaps of vids and links.
If anyone is interested in checking out the run down state of the Tull Chemical Company (the only known manufacturer of 1080 poison)...which the NZ Government has been supporting for over 50 years...check out the website link in my profile and go to "Tull Chemical Company - Home of 1080 Poison"...theres also a couple of online petitions in there if anyone is interested in checking them out
so if it came from a flash as sky rise in New York called Monsanto Towers that would be ok?.. Fact: this stuff kills possums (95% kill rate) . Fact: it kills rats. Fact : it's a synthesis of a naturally occuring bio-degradable toxin. Fact: while you guys sit round moaning, it is saving bird species and forests from being eaten alive. What is your problem??
Before you start rattling off your list of facts and figures no doubt supplied to you by some Government department...forget it mate...I can think for myself...theres always been people opposed to the use of 1080 poison in NZ...even from way back when the NZ Forest Service started using 1080 in the 50,s to protect their pinetree plantations...I don,t buy into the crap that 1080 is a "necessary evil" in NZ...the only thing evil about it is the money they make out of using the shit.
MUTHA FUCKERS DOC please who eva filmed this pleasee ring GRAEME MULDREW he taking DOC to court over 1080 and message me to any 1 in southland!!!!!!! the guna ddo a big drop in fiordland OUR NATIONAL PARK PLEASE MESSAGE ME AND MAYBE WE CAN PROTEST IN INVERCARGILL!!!!! STOP 1080
Anybody hear anymore about the Dolphin and fish poisonings in the Hauraki Gulf after a drop done on Rangitoto? They have blamed sea slugs,but wtf did they eat to make them toxic? 3+ dolphins died withing three days of the drop,and no other time...let alone the dog poisoning's on the beach...sea slugs my ass!
yep 1080 is just a scam. in any other business if a 'solution' was not working you would move on to a different one. hunters killing possums hab more success, but NZ got sold a con from the overseas makers of 1080, now DOC has a lot of fat lazy office workers dependant of the stuff for a living. so putting the solution back to local communities is not in their interests, even though it would be cheaper and give employment to more people in rural communities.
It is shocking by reading those comments how many uneducated ppl actually live around the place... Wake up NZ!!! Arrogance and denying a huge problem like this just bites you in your own ass! Well lets talk facts, shall we. Why do you think NZ got the highest number on cancer patients in the world?
For all who believe in 1080 drops or other poison around NZ, I know it's tradition to poison the paradise but I wish karma will get ya soon! Lets face it, saying yes to 1080 is just the same as saying yes to nuclear power in NZ. Except the power plant would be much more safe! We've got other solutions to get rid off possums. But yeah it's so much easier to poison everything isn't it! Here goes the clean and green NZ lie...
Let's put a bounty on possum fur again! Many hunters would be happy to go out there and do the job. And we got heaps of them in NZ. I'm one of them and I would actually like to do it as a full time job. Take care about the land you not own rather then rape and shape it!!! We can make a difference for us and the generations to come. Poison free NZ protest day this Sunday 15th of November. More info go to: enufisenuf(dot)co(dot)nz
Yeah hunting possums for fur is good. The furs valuble and what not. But will it fix the possum problem? Ive read that trapping alone just dosnt catch enough of them. And what about the native bush thats too far away for the average hunter to travel? Remember if the possum numbers arnt controlled, the bush slowly turns brown and dies. then everything dies
No it will never fix the possum problem but goin hunting for them will hold the numbers down. 1080 did not fix anything! The truth is in the last 30 years of using the most deadly poison on earth in NZ the numbers of possums did not decrease!!! Facts: New Zealand uses 8,100 kg a year of sodium monofluoroacetate. The Canadian Wildlife Service allows the province of British Colombia to use only 2 kg per annum for an area over three times that of New Zealand, and then only in ground traps.
Australias total use of monofluoroacetate is about 200kg in a country 30 times the size of NZ. So what are alternatives to aerial drops? ·Introduce a bounty - ·Use self resetting bait stations (made in NZ) - ·Invest in research and development to find a way to sterlise - Cyanide - ·Create a fur trade and use the meat for a multitude of purposes. There is a lot we could do but we also have to ask who in the govt owns the company which makes good money with poisoning NZ???
A pest to DoC is like a terrorist to George Bush. Lets just bomb the crap out of them and ask all the important questions after the damage is done...
Have you ever ask your self why only in NZ almost every second person got cancer or other life threatening diseases? Well the answer is in what people do to them self!
Remember australian wildlife has adapted to the possum. Many of the trees have spines, prickles or poisonous leaves.
New Zealands native bush dosnt. In fact, the possum has no natural enemies in new zealand. If cyanide and self setting bait stations are a obvious solution, how come DOC dosnt use them? Im guessing there is a shortage of people to keeping putting it out there... Maybe everyone who hates 1080 should rally in force and demand to do volenteer work and refill the bait stations?
Well seams someone is making big money with it in NZ that's for sure! And it obviously worked pretty well to keep a whole nation in front of TV and making them believe in anything the money hungry govt is telling you guys... Wake up! Don't tell me you can't think for ya self and research!?? You got internet? Obviously... So go to the website I gave ya and read for ya self... It's that simple! And as I said before... I would be happy to make it my job to take care about controlling possums!
Whos making big money from 1080 dropping? Is there any evidence of deliberatly taking the cheap way out and pocketing the extra money?
And come on, dont lie to me! You wont make possum control your job... Noone who cries about 1080 will- you all seem to sit back on the couch and say what a trajedy it all is. Use your weekends to get some quality time with nature filling up bait stations or trapping. Get off your asses and make a diffrence
To answer your questions: The one in parliament who owns the company which drops 1080 I suppose... Yes there is enough evidence! Use the internet and do your research... And yes I'm really up for the job, I'm not kidding at all! No need to insult me, I never sucked on the doll! ;o) Well and to show that I'm making a difference right now, we're having a protest on Sunday the 15. of November to educate the ignorant like you. Cheers mate
No offence ae.. but the protest will do f%%k all. Everyone in the past has.... and having a cry on the 15th wont do anything to reduce possum numbers either.... maybe try getting out in the bush and do actual activities to kill possums.. No point staying in town if the problems elsewhere huh?
@NZHunter100... Hunter good one *lol* Are ya really that dumb?!? Or do you own shares on 1080? You sound like someone without the even smallest amount on education...Otherwise you wouldn't talk such a bull! Ignoramus
Without 1080, possum numbers increase. There are no natural enemies of the possum in nz. After many years of no possum control, the native bush turns brown, eventually dieing. Then EVERYTHING dies- birds, bats, you name it
this profound ignorance and lack of compassion toward animals, is the shame on this beautiful country, Im afraid I have to say! rather than find intelligent sensitive solution, they prefer kill unscrupupous, uncivile, comparable to certain chinese cruel fur farms.
What's wrong in this mentality?
How is possible to re-educate staring with parents, young people(often more cruel) not to be like far-west and FEEL compassion, love and respect for living beings!
This series is a "must see" for all NZers..it is high time DOC changed their name to something with "murder" in it. Coservationists do not kill animals...NZ has a population of Tahr that DOC want killed right out...is this called conservation???? these animals are an endangered species in their homeland.
Maybe you should not talk about thinks you don't understand. Your comment just shows that you have no clue about ecology and species conservation. Nothing wrong not knowing anything about it, but you should ask questions instead of writing dumb comments.
The most effective means of controlling these pests over New Zealands vast and rugged wilderness areas is1080, a synthesis of a naturally occurring plant poison called sodium fluoroacetate. However, due to opposition to the use of 1080, particularly by a minority among hunters, its use can be controversial.
The Environmental Risk Management Authority found in 2007 that well-managed 1080 operations are a safe and effective means of pest control.
FACT: The 50 year use of this indiscriminate toxin is frequently used to justify its continued use, yet after all this time, according to DOC/AHB figures, there is no change in the population density of the pests it is supposed to be controlling. Millions of taxpayer dollars per annum can be better spent on safer, environmental and eco-friendly methods rather than the indiscriminate blanket poisoning of NZ.
The population of the pest isnt changing? imagine what nz would be like without the 1080. After 50 years of not controlling possums, there would be so many that the native bush will be brown and dieing. There will be no berries for the birds and EVERYTHING dies!
FACT: One of 1080s breakdown products is highly toxic fluorocitrate. 1080 remains stable in distilled water and breaks down extremely slowly in low temperatures, ie. In NZ streams in winter, therefore undegraded 1080 can be washed downwards into ground water and water supplies putting humans at risk.
I think that the animals are here now in NZ, are here, fullstop, living creatures that need respect for their life. Attach with hatred because have been imported, whatever, that belongs to the history of NZ, as everywhere else there is a history. Nothing happens by chance. It happened. There are many calamities occurring all over the place , currently on this planet, for spiritual reasons. We need to use wisdom and peaceful remedies or accept that the nature takes care of the problems, trusting
Classified as a Class A" poison, it takes 1/500 of an ounce (.) of pure 1080 to kill a 68kg man and, as yet, there is no known effective antidote.
Also interesting to note, before a N. Island aerial 1080 drop, a DOC manager at a nearby property disconnected the pipe taking rainwater from his roof to his drinking water supply.
FACT: Each 1080 drop kills many birds, including our endangered native species. Found poisoned by 1080 are kea, weka, morepork, robins, tom tits, waxeyes, mohua, hawks, native falcon, even our kiwi. The most satisfactory method of pest reduction has already been practiced by DoC and involves the simultaneous trapping of both rats and stoats,
This year, the amount of pure 1080 poison spread in one single operation (which includes the Levin water catchment) is sufficient to kill up to 650,000 people.
"Doc tagged 18 Kea in pre-operation. Ten Kea lived inside the 1080 block during the danger period. Six of these Kea died from poisoning. 60%. Out of seven Kea that moved in and out of the 1080 area, one more was poisoned.
West Coast DOC now plan to drop more 1080 over Kea populations to test what happens".
Mike Slater - West Coast Head Conservator - Westport News - 11 August 2008
Are DOC driving our iconic high country parrots to extinction?
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it's killing birds itself! the poison is not just picking out pests, the birds are eating it and it is getting into your water supply, read above. do it for your own safety, the future of the children, it's a huge waste of money and it is POISON!
The symptoms of poisoning normally appear between 30 minutes and four hours after exposure. They include vomiting, involuntary hyper-extension of the limbs, convulsions, and finally cardiac and respiratory collapse. There is no known effective antidote. In humans, 1080 poisoning has somewhat similar symptoms to an acute heart attack. Symptoms in domestic animals vary: dogs tend to show nervous system signs such as convulsions and uncontrollable running
that is from Global Oneness to name just one, I found one article after another describing the harmful effects, if it can harm animals, why not humans? it just doesn't wash with me, it makes no sense. The US called for a ban on this stuff, it scares the shit out of me.
The benefits of using 1080 far outweigh the negative effects.
These guys are milking it and trying to make it sound worse than it is.
Deer arent even native to NZ, they are pests that destroy the native forests so i dont buy all this guilt trip bullshit that these guys are trying to force upon people.
I would rather see a pest suffer than see out native wildlife and bush suffer and be lost forever. The harsh reality is 1080 is the most effective means of control.
Hopefully the biological control method being developed will replace 1080 as the main method for control, although its not expected to be ready for widespread use until 2013.
So, the bad news is 1080 will continue to be the main method of control at least until then, but I'm sure you over zealous activists can last until then.
1080 will be phased out, so be patient. Dont waste precious time trying to ban something that has its days numbered anyway.
1080 New Zealand. Just dumped 22 tones of it in the water catchment in Wellington Hutt Valley id be careful drinking the water. it says on the can dont put in any body of water it will bite them on the arse one day. Cheers 1080
You are correct about the cruelty aspect of both poisons. You the go on to say I have no right to complain about us moral hypocrites moaning about 1080. Now you know why we do :-) Both are cruel, I get it, Both are dangerous
Yes I do and yes I know how it works, I nail a bait to a block of wood I don't throw tons of the shit all over the countryside.The Idiots at DOC just killed 70 rare bats by their blitzkrieg method.That is my objection. DOC NZ own more than 15 tonnes of 1080, they are going to dump it on our country till it is all gone then buy more.You don't see a problem here? Read my last comment again, that sign is less than 200 m. from my house, you are 1200 miles away. The stream runs past my house sod off
My initial message made relevance to the cruelty aspect, so I do not know why you are bothering to write a thesis on the matter to me. You're talking about a completely different objection here, one that has merit, yes, but it is not what I was referring to.
Im constantly saddned by the various ways humans kill animals, havent they suffered enough, farmed to be eaten, hunted for sport and now were freakin poisioning them!!! im ashamed to be a human, when did it all go so wrong???
I don't spread my rat poison in a blitzkrieg manner all over your backyard, like these guys do. The NZ Department of Conservation (and I use the term loosely)....
'advise all trampers to bring their own water requirements and PLEASE do not take any water from this area for consumption, to not handle any bait or carcasses, and DO NOT leave children untended.
If that is so, then you shouldn't be bitching about 1080 because you are a moral hypocrite. It is still very humorous people are so selective when it comes to animal cruelty. A fox or rabbit bleeds to death and dies painfully slowly, it's inhumane and abhorrent. But the same thing is done to a rat, not a second is spared to think or respect its suffering.
Tells me the only reason people are against is that the animal is cute, not the act itself.
The Nazis weren't allowed to use this crap in the concentration camps because their Masters' thought it too dangerous for the staff to handle' What does that tell you about our NZ Gov.? The UN consider it the most lethal poison on their register, does your country throw it all over your back yard? Saddam Hussein had two small containers of this shit as part of his stock of WMD,the man was a sissy compared to our DOC. Read their warning sign on my last comment, then read it again
If you wish to view a cruel death by 1080 i have posted the death of my pet incalf heifer on u tube .
This happend on the 22nd of june but it took untill last week for me to get the results which showed high level of 1080.
Red Cow had very high levels of 1080 but no sign of bait anywehre in her guts. I am trying to get them ti investigate water contamination as all our water comes straight out of the bush onto our paddocks.
Its great to see DOC getting busted for trying to delete info on the 1080 Wikipedia page (online encyclopedia) about these videos...the graf boys...anti 1080 groups etc etc.
Just goes to show how out of touch with reality DOC actually is....
I,ve noticed they,ve got a series of "How Great" 1080 is videos going down on youtube these days.
Who pays for DOC,s videos to be made?...no doubt we do...the NZ taxpayer.
mate. 40% of kea nests get wiped out with no pest control. you seem to be missing the point.
I'm with science. that'll do me.
NZ's wildlife never evolved with predators. so we gotta help it out where we can. i've spent a heap of time in the bush pal, and when there's been 1080 there's always more native birds.
This 'silent forests' argument is crap too. they're silent 'cos they've had the life sucked out of them by rats and stoats.
Be aware that there are no native mammals in NZ except for two species of bats. NINETY FIVE PER CENT of kiwi chicks will not survive to six months old because of predation by mammals.
Did you know Kakapo used to be one of our most common birds - now there 100 left. They can't live on the mainland anymore because of pests. It is a disgrace to want the pests to be around. we need 1080 to get rid of them.
I love NZ native wildlife and i want it protected.
There is a head lady in doc who has openely said that she doesn't want any amimals in new zealand, just trees and birds! Who really wants this for new zealand?? I love to hunt and doc keeps on targeting my areas! seems a big waste to distroy good meet like that! respect for animals!
"look at these poor deer, poor, dead, beautiful deer..." - nek minute - "*BLAM* What a great shot! Oh, she's bleedin', quick, track her through the brush and put another shot in her!"; come on, they've got deer repellent 1080 now, what else are you going to complain about!
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MrArty247 2 months ago
ideal new tourisim promotional video , DOC clean and green ,BULLSHIT
MrArty247 2 months ago
1080 is a disgrace. We are just a lazy species which always takes the cheapest and in this case the most disgustingly painful way to fix a problem that we caused in the first place. As long as its only other species dying painfully we dont seem to give a shit. But i bet if children started dying from 1080 they would stop dropping this crap straight away. Oh poor humans. No one gives a crap about the poor animals. New Zealand is a disgrace
Stopthegreed 2 months ago
you dont need to kill every last animal because that would fuck the food chain, managing them with traps or cyanide brings it into balance. possum fur is worth 135 dollars a kilo. ask yourself when it takes 17 possums to a kilo how much money is being wasted each year by poisoning them which takes over 40 hours to kill them and then the fur is wasted. also meat if poison was banned the chillers would open again and we would be able to make a good living out of hunting. whilst creating revenue
lifesaboar2 3 months ago
fuck you people are dumb, @GusLind01 possums are herbivores and dont eat meat so you dont know what your talking about. secondly, 1080 poison is killing many natives birds, i was told at the sika show on the weekend jst gone that 1080 is killing most of the kiwi in the areas where they monitor numbers. also 1080 isnt the only option before 1080 possums were managed highly effectively with traps. there wasnt a ridge in the country that hadent been trapped.
lifesaboar2 3 months ago
This is a bias one sided subjected doco which misinforms people about the sucesses which 1080 has done. I personally have investigated 1080 drop sites and can inform anyone that it does work, although not perfect it does work better than any other trapping method - unless of course any critic can come up with a better alternative, which these hunters cannot do. These Graf bro mentioned that 12,700 birds were killed by 1080, only to find out they infact froze to death, very very poor research.
MrGlennsftmb 4 months ago
Humans and introduced animals don't belong in this country, end of story!!!
EvolvedParasite 7 months ago
@EvolvedParasite No one is stopping you from leaving you IDIOT. LEAVE if you feel that way - go live on the moon or in the ocean or where ever else you think humans "naturally" came from. But as usual you type of idiots love to say things that you don't even believe yourself.
9114steve 6 months ago
It's not used in other countries because they have native land mammals. 1080 targets mammals and our only native land mammals are bats who dont eat it. You guys are being brainwashed.
domM909 8 months ago
@domM909 ok so why is their documented proof of birds, invertebrates, deer, dogs, etc etc dying from eating 10-80.... Who has been brainwashed here?
mexz1 6 months ago
@mexz1 your so- called 'documented evidence' is nothing more than bullshit. I recommend you watch this type in 1080 Poison - Grafs Wrong and watch that video.
domM909 5 months ago
@domM909 The video you recomended was a waste of time. Produced by DOC and you wonder why it supports 10-80 use. No matter how you look at it dropping poison to control a species that WE introduced is just another example of the clean and green illusion we have all been sold. Surely you can see the hypocrisy in using poison to "save" our native species. Mans arrogance knows no bounds and our quest to control nature will backfire. Clean and green yea right
mexz1 5 months ago
1080 KILLS EVERYTHING!!!
DoC are nothing but arseholes, go in the bush a week after one of the drops and the bush stinks from the dead animals no birds nothing,.
The government does its best to squash it being publicized, NZ clean green image is a crock and they don't want that getting out.
jsm787 8 months ago
You're full of shit, get out there with you're traps and climb aroung all those cliffs, exactly aye you wouldn't and its virtually impossable. Its all around Taupo, has been for years and theres as much Deer and Pigs as ever, also the bird life there is unlike I've ever seen around the rest of the North Island while I trapped Possums on the ground for a living for 7years. Go to link road and check out the Kaka's, its unbelievable. You's are a joke, invest you're time in making another poison
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kruiser98 11 months ago
@kruiser98 really? doing nothing? 3 words Department of Conservation DoC for short. I do more for this country that alot of its fucking locals, you twat bag. The only things 1080 is killing are the things that arent supposed to be here. I see you removed your original comment, could it be because it was all a lie?
KaylinJH 10 months ago
@MrNgm12345 how about i give you a bit of 1080 to chew on see how you like that.
kruiser98 11 months ago
@kruiser98 wow one of your favorites is people buchering dead animals, why doesnt that surprise me?
KaylinJH 1 year ago
for all those who dont think deer are a pest let me explain what it is they do...deer are selective feeders-ie they eat the tastiest/softest plants (possums do this also) in the beech forest there is a canopy of beech trees (wich deer dont really eat) and a thin soft understory of tastey soft plants-broadleaf,fivefinger,fushia that produce all the fruit food of the forest.Deer completely eat out the soft understory-leaving an empty ecosystem with no fruiting plants!
lukebirdbeard 1 year ago
@lukebirdbeard last weekend whilst hunting in an area that had been 1080'd i saw 3 dead morepork, what good's fruit with no birds.
yes deer are pests, but i and many others who love hunting and the outdoors would kindly take to the hill for a living if the government would employ us to hunt, it would be far cheaper to employ people to do this job and far better for our country in more ways than 1 ie create jobs, keep poison of our land,reocver meat&skin 4 $ and do the same with possums
reapcal 1 year ago
i am a keen hunter and enjoy just being our n.z bush.
1080 i feel kills EVERYTHING that touches it.
ok possums are pests i agree
they are also a good way to make money via trapping
if a good bounty was to be put on our pests i bet u my balls hunters would not only be out shooting deer & dog'n boars but would adapt thier skills to hunt these pests to make money
1080 is cruel & dangerous
if its not eaten its washed into our soil and water ways then what over time
BAN IT 4 GODS SAKE
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@reapcal "if its not eaten its washed into our soil and water ways then what over time" 1080 dissolves in instantly in water and becomes harmless.
SLASH570570 1 year ago
@reapcal good on yah mate we need more people like you.
kruiser98 11 months ago
@MrNgm12345 You have the audasity to say this yet it was your European Ancestors that came to Aotearoa and cleared millions of hectares of Native bush to introduce Cows, Sheep, Goats, Pigs, Rabbits, Possums, Stoats, noxious weeds and other vermin etc etc, now what little remains DOC 1080s and is desperately trying to kill and eradicate the rest.
Man what Hipocracy you display.
tutekelahore 1 year ago
deer hunting is a big sport and all u people that opose it and say it it is ok maybe u should try a couple of pellets and maybe u might enjoy it if all the deer and pigs are killed what happens to new zealands hunting that we are famous for maybe we should start a new sport called 1080 chopper hunting maybe even go on a government hunt
MrHeanz 1 year ago
@MrNgm12345 yea we do like to shoot the last deer, save 1080 poison gettin to the poor cunt. what about the native birds getting wiped out in there millions each year load of shit do you go and count every bird in the scrub or somthin. who said the forest as you call it being transformed are you looking up your arse ??? since when are deer a pest any way??? oh leaving a track in the dirt real harm to the enviroment betta go kill it with 1080.
westcoastpighunt 1 year ago
DONT ANYONE BRING IN A STUPID DEBATE ON HOW SOMETHIGN IS VERMIN OR INTRODUCED, IMMIGRANTS ARE VERMIN AN INTRODUCED, but they let those fuckers go world wide an destroy the whole Earth
peatree28 1 year ago
@peatree28
this is the smartest comment ive ever read on you-tube,your an intelligent person and have brilliant insight into a real problem.if you look at populations of humans in the world,they're exactly as you say, pests and invasive species on native habitat .
my grandmother and father came to North America during the second world war to escape the genocide and killing and were landed immigrants,who then had my father,and now theres me and my children .BUT WHATS THE ALTERNATIVE
utooberblooper 1 year ago
@MrNgm12345 what the hell are deer doing to the forest. they are not a pest.
westcoastpighunt 1 year ago
What a sick thing to do drop poison from helicopters , shame on new zealand
Causing all that suffering and poioning our planet .Shame on you
ruby6300 1 year ago
@MrNgm12345 Are you a redneck? Maori, Slope Head? or the biggest loser of all a Farmer?? Try culling yourself an family 1st an help with there being more land
peatree28 1 year ago
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OK I shall explain again, no introduced species is killing the native animals off, EXCEPT ''US'' we kill billions each year for land clearing, so stop oimmigration an stop breeding, we breed quicker than bloody rabbits an have no predator YET we are the only thing that needs culling, man get a brain, anyone who thinks animals do damage or as much as farmers an government go on is a media nut case
peatree28 1 year ago
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OK I shall explain again, no introduced species is killing the native animals off, EXCEPT ''US'' we kill billions each year for land clearing, so stop oimmigration an stop breeding, we breed quicker than bloody rabbits an have no predator YET we are the only thing that needs culling, man get a brain, anyone who thinks animals do damage or as much as farmers an government go on is a media nut case
peatree28 1 year ago
@MrNgm12345 OK I shall explain again, no introduced species is killing the native animals off, EXCEPT ''US'' we kill billions each year for land clearing, so stop oimmigration an stop breeding, we breed quicker than bloody rabbits an have no predator YET we are the only thing that needs culling, man get a brain, anyone who thinks animals do damage or as much as farmers an government go on is a media nut case
peatree28 1 year ago
@peatree28 Seriously? Do you really think that possums cause no harm to our ecosystem? They ringbark our trees (it kills them within a year or so), eat our native bird's eggs, eat the bird's food supplies - i.e. berries, and they eat the tree foliage - ruining the mossy undergrowth that the animals like the kiwi need to survive.
Get your act straight - it seems at times like the public consists of ill-informed, biased, and stupid people who are too lazy to see the truth.
NoCakeFourU 1 year ago 3
@NoCakeFourU I reckon you rthat fat lazy immigrant that has no idea, millions of yrs animals have been on this planet, not over breeding or destroying anything, were only here a few yrs an weve destroyed anything we touch, poison all the immigrants an muslims an there might be enough land for the original animals to survive in
peatree28 1 year ago
@MrNgm12345 ITS THE FACT OF HOW CRUEL IT IS AN PAINFUL ... ITS USED IN AUSTRALIA TO FOR DINGOES, KOALAS, AN ALL OUR ENDANGERED ANIMALS, IT ALSO KILLS THE ANIMALS THAT EAT THEM, I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT CASUED THE TUMOURS IN THE TASSIE DEVIL, FUCK ALL OUR GOVERNEMNT AN CRUELTY, CULL IMMIGRANTS AN HUMANS, THERE THE ONLY PESTS
peatree28 1 year ago
Dissgracefull that a so called civliised country can ,poison our planet so blatantly shame on you ALLLL .animal creulty at its worst SHame on you all
ruby6300 1 year ago
If these 'grafboys' have a better idea of controlling the estimated 60-70 million possums in New Zealand...
Then lets hear it?
Other wise shut up and let Doc do there job.
castle001 1 year ago 7
@castle001 maybe the government could send people like you who've got nothing better to do than sit on thier arses in front of the computer cricising out there aye.
gael638 5 months ago
@castle001 why is it the same possum is a protected species in Australia? how is it they don't have the problems attributed to possums in New Zealand? Could it be native parrots that are responsible for tree damage and could it be that the possum is not a major vector in TB in cattle as we are led to believe? Australia has lot more forest and bush and a lot more cattle than we do.
chris5a3w 3 months ago
I spent a few days parking near the Waipapa dam one Christmas. There were signs saying that 1080 had been spread. Only a drongo misfit would fail to notice the birdsong. Tui. All day, loud and long. The 1080 had been laid about 10-14 days before. Time enough to kill the possums, time enough for the birds to realise.."Hey, we can go back there". so they do.
alludity 1 year ago 5
It is bloody disgraceful how government officials can stand by and let this happen in this land we call home, it is high time that all new zealanders tangata whenua included we need to act NOW! in stopping this insane genocide of animal cruelty and abuse
convert313 1 year ago
i need to get some 1080. for... a special reason. can anyone hook me up?
soriku132 1 year ago
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@soriku132 ITS THE FACT OF HOW CRUEL IT IS AN PAINFUL ... ITS USED IN AUSTRALIA TO FOR DINGOES, KOALAS, AN ALL OUR ENDANGERED ANIMALS, IT ALSO KILLS THE ANIMALS THAT EAT THEM, I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT CASUED THE TUMOURS IN THE TASSIE DEVIL, FUCK ALL OUR GOVERNEMNT AN CRUELTY, CULL IMMIGRANTS AN HUMANS, THERE THE ONLY PESTS
peatree28 1 year ago
go doc kill everything in the bush
TheTamaiti 2 years ago
I tire of this sort of anti-1080 propaganda. Dead deer is one thing, what about the dead kaka that the possums and mustelids eat? 9 out of 10 kaka in Waitutu are male because the females and chicks have had their heads chewed off. 1080 gives them a chance to breed- within 2 years they will be up to 120% of the pre-drop population and 30% will be juveniles. If there is a conspiracy, it's the one the anti-1080 nutters are working on.
GusLind01 2 years ago 8
@GusLind01 the thing is the kaka eat the 1080 too. you dont know how bad 1080 is. what if i gave you a bit of it to chew on how would you like that....
kruiser98 11 months ago
@GusLind01 I'm pretty sure you are misguided. No-one is saying don't kill pests...people are just saying don't use 1080. There are loads of other ways to do it. DOC are just lazy red-tape idiots so this is cheap and easy to spread. DOC basically says its within budget who cares about anything else. You have brought into their propaganda just nicely.
PDodds77 7 months ago
@GusLind01 The argument that using 10-80 will increase bird populations in the wild is completely false. In fact if you do the research you will find that the numbers of birds killed by eating the pellets is far greater than the number of birds killed by pests. Trapping is a far more effective means of controlling pests without the "collateral damage" bought on by 10-80.
mexz1 6 months ago
@mexz1 I have done the research. Go to Waitutu forest: there you will find the bird population greatly improved after 1080. Let's get the facts right about trapping: to get sustainable biodiversity (rata survive long term, for instance) the residual trap count has to be lower than 3%. That means that for every 100 traps you put out each night, you have to catch less than 3 possums. If you put the traps 25m apart you have to walk about 1km to get a possum. That's very hard work without a track.
GusLind01 6 months ago
@GusLind01 every time there is a species kill off the species, if any survive they will breed in greater numbers to compensate for their loss, including the possums! a situation is created that is not one of balance. An unnatural accumulative poison is added to the environment, People are put out of work, the income of trappers is destroyed and that of those associated with the fur industry, valuable food sources are also eliminated or made unfit for human or animal consumption.
chris5a3w 3 months ago
@mexz1 I have persoanlly investigated the Waitutu four times, and I am an independent researcher with a BA in Environmental Science, I can tell you that it like any other researcher in the location 1080 has worked incredibly well to protect kaka populations, hunters hate it because it kills off some pests they would prefer to eat and thats understandable to a limited extent.kakas wouldnt eat it, that is pure anti 1080 properganda , they arent colour blind either, which hunters often think.
MrGlennsftmb 4 months ago
@MrGlennsftmb you have a BA and you spell it "proper ganda"? any poison is dangerous where are the studies on the long term accumulative effects in soil, waterways, coastal marine life, earthworms etc? This place is far from as clean or abundant now compared to even just 40 years ago, as far as my observations have gone New Zealand is stuffed,
Even the places that are too hard to get to to exploit will, over time, suffer as coastal waters carry poisons around the whole country .
chris5a3w 3 months ago
@chris5a3w if your attacking me for a spelling mistake on Youtube thats a very weak way to win an arguement, otherwise just check out your poor grammar. If earthworms died from poison then there would nt be any on farms and rubbish tips, the point is we all understand that 1080 isnt perfect, but when used appropiately it is extremely effective, the methodology is cyclic and needs improving and unfortunately errors will be made in the process to get there -.
MrGlennsftmb 2 months ago
@chris5a3w it is nuts to think that coastal waters will carry 1080 and pollute the country, the stuff breaks down pretty quickly in water and water is the worlds most effectly solvent, where do you think carbon dioxide and monoxide gets mainly absorbed. yes thats right the sea - 50x more than land can, which is why air quality is cleaner in the Southern hemisphere than the Northern - possums bounties were nt effective in the 1980s because long term they were nt profitable or sustainable.
MrGlennsftmb 2 months ago
aww poor deer, now that its dead, you cant shoot it. what a shame.
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westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
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anyway Trakabat has some very convincing post-drop video and audio from Lake Daniels (see video responses above) even your Graff mates can't argue with that.
birdscantalk 2 years ago
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youtube is for video not blah blah, lets see your video!
birdscantalk 2 years ago
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westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
which native birds? where? and when?
see COSTS AND BENEFITS OF AERIAL 1080 POSSUM CONTROL OPS USING CARROT BAITS TO NORTH ISLAND ROBIN, PUREORA FOREST 1999
Powlesland et al
1080 can go on to farm land such az an aireal drop and kill many farm animals:
check out the ERMA ANNUAL REPORT ON THE AERIAL USE OF 1080 : Incidents and Public Concerns (page 12)
1080 gets in the water ways can kill fish etc etc.
EFFECTS OF 1080 ON FISH AND STREAM INVERTEBRATES (NIWA)
fuelairexplosion 2 years ago
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westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
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My question is, what are YOU doing to reduce the pests and predators that are threatening many of our species with extinction?(apart from killing pigs and deer for recreation) If you are just some hunter that wants to protest about the 'bad stuff' and leave the forests to slowly die, you have no credibility in my eyes. . After a 1080 drop the possums die and the rats, and when the stoats eat the dying rats, well it's was lights out for them.
fuelairexplosion 2 years ago
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westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
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do some research and get involved in species conservation or just stick to killing pigs and deer.
fuelairexplosion 2 years ago
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westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
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wake up pighunter! ..the point is that predators ie: rats, stoats and possums are chomping up 26 MILLION eggs and chicks a year.
fuelairexplosion 2 years ago
Mr Innes said the mammal war on birds went unnoticed because it occurred at night at the top of trees. "There has not been one published eye-witness account of a ship rat killing a bird, yet it's been going on since the ship rat arrived here, and the kiore (native rat) before then. There is nowhere that a bird can lay a nest that a rat can't get to.
fuelairexplosion 2 years ago
Mr Innes said forest covered 23 per cent of New Zealand, an area totalling 5.98 million hectares. He said if there were five native bird nests to each hectare in any nesting season, that was 29.9 million nests. Of those, 73 per cent failed a total of 21.827 million nests and, at an average of two eggs per nest, a total of 42.654 million chicks which failed to fly from the nest.
Predators are blamed for 61 per cent 26,628,940 of chick and egg losses.
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westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
Hamilton-based Landcare Research scientist John Innes
said it was time opponents of 1080 "got real about the facts".
"Most endemic forest birds are disappearing because of predators 1080 opponents should get their heads around the fact that while they complain about cruel deaths, millions of forest birds are being killed by mammals every year."
fuelairexplosion 2 years ago
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westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
is that because it kill pigs and pig dogs?
birdscantalk 2 years ago
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westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
dude ...calm down.... just breathe it's ok the voices in your head will go away just remember ...take the blue pill every morning.
oh yeah...you use 85% of world production because you don't have indigenous native mammals, every mammal in your forests is a pest and right now is eating native birds and forests....
fuelairexplosion 2 years ago
Say's who? D.O.C still state that the possom population is still 70 million.
kerry6969 2 years ago
To all the stupid dumb assed ignorant pro 1080 fools comments below .a. Why does doc use 90% world production . b. Why is it banned and rapidly being banned worlwide .c.Why is congress trying to close tull chemicals. d. why is doc ahb erma or whoeva trying to buy tull chemicals ..Why is doc so arrogant in ignoring the rest of the world.. ban the shit . Go hit.. trakabts...doc pr west coast .. bullshit .. he's blocked me
gunnaterry 2 years ago
There are now 40 million less possums in NZ thanks in the most part to 1080. There have been no adverse effects on humans in well over 50 years of using 1080 in NZ. How much more safe does this stuff have to be???
bigsolly2 2 years ago 2
oh yeah ...at the same time as the drop on Rangitoto-Motutapu DoC did a drop on all the eastern islands in the Bay of Islands, absolutely no problems ..nothing, nada, nicht, ....
birdscantalk 2 years ago
Hi saltydog45 last week a pair of kakariki (that's a native parrot) and their fledgling were sighted on pest free Rangitoto - Motutapu. How cool is that!! check out waihekedot tv for heaps of vids and links.
birdscantalk 2 years ago
If anyone is interested in checking out the run down state of the Tull Chemical Company (the only known manufacturer of 1080 poison)...which the NZ Government has been supporting for over 50 years...check out the website link in my profile and go to "Tull Chemical Company - Home of 1080 Poison"...theres also a couple of online petitions in there if anyone is interested in checking them out
ANTI1080AOTEAROA 2 years ago
so if it came from a flash as sky rise in New York called Monsanto Towers that would be ok?.. Fact: this stuff kills possums (95% kill rate) . Fact: it kills rats. Fact : it's a synthesis of a naturally occuring bio-degradable toxin. Fact: while you guys sit round moaning, it is saving bird species and forests from being eaten alive. What is your problem??
waiheketv 2 years ago
Before you start rattling off your list of facts and figures no doubt supplied to you by some Government department...forget it mate...I can think for myself...theres always been people opposed to the use of 1080 poison in NZ...even from way back when the NZ Forest Service started using 1080 in the 50,s to protect their pinetree plantations...I don,t buy into the crap that 1080 is a "necessary evil" in NZ...the only thing evil about it is the money they make out of using the shit.
ANTI1080AOTEAROA 2 years ago
.... and your point is ????
birdscantalk 2 years ago
MUTHA FUCKERS DOC please who eva filmed this pleasee ring GRAEME MULDREW he taking DOC to court over 1080 and message me to any 1 in southland!!!!!!! the guna ddo a big drop in fiordland OUR NATIONAL PARK PLEASE MESSAGE ME AND MAYBE WE CAN PROTEST IN INVERCARGILL!!!!! STOP 1080
BommerNZL 2 years ago 2
Anybody hear anymore about the Dolphin and fish poisonings in the Hauraki Gulf after a drop done on Rangitoto? They have blamed sea slugs,but wtf did they eat to make them toxic? 3+ dolphins died withing three days of the drop,and no other time...let alone the dog poisoning's on the beach...sea slugs my ass!
Funny how tests by DOC are "inconclusive".
saltydog45 2 years ago
yep 1080 is just a scam. in any other business if a 'solution' was not working you would move on to a different one. hunters killing possums hab more success, but NZ got sold a con from the overseas makers of 1080, now DOC has a lot of fat lazy office workers dependant of the stuff for a living. so putting the solution back to local communities is not in their interests, even though it would be cheaper and give employment to more people in rural communities.
hippynz 2 years ago
It is shocking by reading those comments how many uneducated ppl actually live around the place... Wake up NZ!!! Arrogance and denying a huge problem like this just bites you in your own ass! Well lets talk facts, shall we. Why do you think NZ got the highest number on cancer patients in the world?
gusto68 2 years ago
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gusto68 2 years ago
For all who believe in 1080 drops or other poison around NZ, I know it's tradition to poison the paradise but I wish karma will get ya soon! Lets face it, saying yes to 1080 is just the same as saying yes to nuclear power in NZ. Except the power plant would be much more safe! We've got other solutions to get rid off possums. But yeah it's so much easier to poison everything isn't it! Here goes the clean and green NZ lie...
gusto68 2 years ago
What are the solutions? that are actually practical that is. Rememeber If there was a obvious better way it would most likely be being used by now
nzhunter100 2 years ago
Let's put a bounty on possum fur again! Many hunters would be happy to go out there and do the job. And we got heaps of them in NZ. I'm one of them and I would actually like to do it as a full time job. Take care about the land you not own rather then rape and shape it!!! We can make a difference for us and the generations to come. Poison free NZ protest day this Sunday 15th of November. More info go to: enufisenuf(dot)co(dot)nz
gusto68 2 years ago
Yeah hunting possums for fur is good. The furs valuble and what not. But will it fix the possum problem? Ive read that trapping alone just dosnt catch enough of them. And what about the native bush thats too far away for the average hunter to travel? Remember if the possum numbers arnt controlled, the bush slowly turns brown and dies. then everything dies
nzhunter100 2 years ago
No it will never fix the possum problem but goin hunting for them will hold the numbers down. 1080 did not fix anything! The truth is in the last 30 years of using the most deadly poison on earth in NZ the numbers of possums did not decrease!!! Facts: New Zealand uses 8,100 kg a year of sodium monofluoroacetate. The Canadian Wildlife Service allows the province of British Colombia to use only 2 kg per annum for an area over three times that of New Zealand, and then only in ground traps.
gusto68 2 years ago
Australias total use of monofluoroacetate is about 200kg in a country 30 times the size of NZ. So what are alternatives to aerial drops? ·Introduce a bounty - ·Use self resetting bait stations (made in NZ) - ·Invest in research and development to find a way to sterlise - Cyanide - ·Create a fur trade and use the meat for a multitude of purposes. There is a lot we could do but we also have to ask who in the govt owns the company which makes good money with poisoning NZ???
gusto68 2 years ago
A pest to DoC is like a terrorist to George Bush. Lets just bomb the crap out of them and ask all the important questions after the damage is done...
Have you ever ask your self why only in NZ almost every second person got cancer or other life threatening diseases? Well the answer is in what people do to them self!
gusto68 2 years ago
Remember australian wildlife has adapted to the possum. Many of the trees have spines, prickles or poisonous leaves.
New Zealands native bush dosnt. In fact, the possum has no natural enemies in new zealand. If cyanide and self setting bait stations are a obvious solution, how come DOC dosnt use them? Im guessing there is a shortage of people to keeping putting it out there... Maybe everyone who hates 1080 should rally in force and demand to do volenteer work and refill the bait stations?
nzhunter100 2 years ago
Well seams someone is making big money with it in NZ that's for sure! And it obviously worked pretty well to keep a whole nation in front of TV and making them believe in anything the money hungry govt is telling you guys... Wake up! Don't tell me you can't think for ya self and research!?? You got internet? Obviously... So go to the website I gave ya and read for ya self... It's that simple! And as I said before... I would be happy to make it my job to take care about controlling possums!
gusto68 2 years ago
Whos making big money from 1080 dropping? Is there any evidence of deliberatly taking the cheap way out and pocketing the extra money?
And come on, dont lie to me! You wont make possum control your job... Noone who cries about 1080 will- you all seem to sit back on the couch and say what a trajedy it all is. Use your weekends to get some quality time with nature filling up bait stations or trapping. Get off your asses and make a diffrence
nzhunter100 2 years ago
To answer your questions: The one in parliament who owns the company which drops 1080 I suppose... Yes there is enough evidence! Use the internet and do your research... And yes I'm really up for the job, I'm not kidding at all! No need to insult me, I never sucked on the doll! ;o) Well and to show that I'm making a difference right now, we're having a protest on Sunday the 15. of November to educate the ignorant like you. Cheers mate
gusto68 2 years ago
No offence ae.. but the protest will do f%%k all. Everyone in the past has.... and having a cry on the 15th wont do anything to reduce possum numbers either.... maybe try getting out in the bush and do actual activities to kill possums.. No point staying in town if the problems elsewhere huh?
nzhunter100 2 years ago
I wonder how much are you doing to help with this possum problem. If you really are hunter than you should sit and think for once.
Your opinions are hypocrytical bullshit.
Let me tell you, that my partner found one 1080 pellet on our garden { having 1and half year old child playing outside most of the day I wasn't happy}
Unforunately she took it to DOC before I got home. When I went to ask some questions nobody would talk to me...
Just think the easiest way is not always the best way to go.
johnvychodil 2 years ago
@NZHunter100... Hunter good one *lol* Are ya really that dumb?!? Or do you own shares on 1080? You sound like someone without the even smallest amount on education...Otherwise you wouldn't talk such a bull! Ignoramus
gusto68 2 years ago
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nzhunter100 2 years ago
There's an estimated 70 - 90 million possums in New Zealand gorging themselves on an all you can eat buffet of native bush with no natural predators.
Anyone got a better idea of controlling them?
I don't think so.
castle001 2 years ago
Thats so true ae! Lots of people saying how shocking 1080 is but noone can think of a better solution that will work properly
nzhunter100 2 years ago
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castle001 2 years ago
Without 1080, possum numbers increase. There are no natural enemies of the possum in nz. After many years of no possum control, the native bush turns brown, eventually dieing. Then EVERYTHING dies- birds, bats, you name it
nzhunter100 2 years ago 3
kruiser98, speaks loud and right!!
A schocking non-sense!!
madalene2012 2 years ago
this profound ignorance and lack of compassion toward animals, is the shame on this beautiful country, Im afraid I have to say! rather than find intelligent sensitive solution, they prefer kill unscrupupous, uncivile, comparable to certain chinese cruel fur farms.
What's wrong in this mentality?
How is possible to re-educate staring with parents, young people(often more cruel) not to be like far-west and FEEL compassion, love and respect for living beings!
The animals in NZ are screaming!!
madalene2012 2 years ago
What is an intelligent sensitive solution to ridding ourselves of the pests which are massacring our native wildlife?
In the case of possums (the main target of 1080), is crunching their leg in a leg hold trap and smashing their head in with a hammer better?
bigsolly2 2 years ago 6
wow how one sided can you get. tis is properganda not a doco
hotansexy71 2 years ago 6
This series is a "must see" for all NZers..it is high time DOC changed their name to something with "murder" in it. Coservationists do not kill animals...NZ has a population of Tahr that DOC want killed right out...is this called conservation???? these animals are an endangered species in their homeland.
richardbev 2 years ago
Maybe you should not talk about thinks you don't understand. Your comment just shows that you have no clue about ecology and species conservation. Nothing wrong not knowing anything about it, but you should ask questions instead of writing dumb comments.
TheRopati 2 years ago
The most effective means of controlling these pests over New Zealands vast and rugged wilderness areas is1080, a synthesis of a naturally occurring plant poison called sodium fluoroacetate. However, due to opposition to the use of 1080, particularly by a minority among hunters, its use can be controversial.
The Environmental Risk Management Authority found in 2007 that well-managed 1080 operations are a safe and effective means of pest control.
Orio9000 2 years ago 2
fukn disgrace
lifesaboar3 2 years ago
how does anyone ever say animal pain and death sounds far worse than it is? you have too large an ego to think you matter so much.
attila1997 2 years ago
FACT: The 50 year use of this indiscriminate toxin is frequently used to justify its continued use, yet after all this time, according to DOC/AHB figures, there is no change in the population density of the pests it is supposed to be controlling. Millions of taxpayer dollars per annum can be better spent on safer, environmental and eco-friendly methods rather than the indiscriminate blanket poisoning of NZ.
kruiser98 2 years ago
The population of the pest isnt changing? imagine what nz would be like without the 1080. After 50 years of not controlling possums, there would be so many that the native bush will be brown and dieing. There will be no berries for the birds and EVERYTHING dies!
nzhunter100 2 years ago
FACT: One of 1080s breakdown products is highly toxic fluorocitrate. 1080 remains stable in distilled water and breaks down extremely slowly in low temperatures, ie. In NZ streams in winter, therefore undegraded 1080 can be washed downwards into ground water and water supplies putting humans at risk.
kruiser98 2 years ago
On that note, how many substantiated cases are there of people having been poisoned by 1080?
50 years use in NZ, and zero human deaths.
bigsolly2 2 years ago
so we really don't know the longer term effects of this crap do we?
ty for pointing this out, wake up people, your country is harming more than pests and wild life.
attila1997 2 years ago
That's exactly it - we do know the effects! The active ingredients do not bio accumulate and are biodegradable.
There have been dozens of scientific studies which consistently say this stuff is safe.
bigsolly2 2 years ago 6
I think that the animals are here now in NZ, are here, fullstop, living creatures that need respect for their life. Attach with hatred because have been imported, whatever, that belongs to the history of NZ, as everywhere else there is a history. Nothing happens by chance. It happened. There are many calamities occurring all over the place , currently on this planet, for spiritual reasons. We need to use wisdom and peaceful remedies or accept that the nature takes care of the problems, trusting
madalene2012 2 years ago
F&*# sake Madalene2012. Are you a follower of a sect or something?? You need some help, because if you wait until 2012 it might be to late...
TheRopati 2 years ago
Classified as a Class A" poison, it takes 1/500 of an ounce (.) of pure 1080 to kill a 68kg man and, as yet, there is no known effective antidote.
Also interesting to note, before a N. Island aerial 1080 drop, a DOC manager at a nearby property disconnected the pipe taking rainwater from his roof to his drinking water supply.
kruiser98 2 years ago
FACT: Each 1080 drop kills many birds, including our endangered native species. Found poisoned by 1080 are kea, weka, morepork, robins, tom tits, waxeyes, mohua, hawks, native falcon, even our kiwi. The most satisfactory method of pest reduction has already been practiced by DoC and involves the simultaneous trapping of both rats and stoats,
NOT 1080.
kruiser98 2 years ago
New Zealand uses more than four tonnes.
This year, the amount of pure 1080 poison spread in one single operation (which includes the Levin water catchment) is sufficient to kill up to 650,000 people.
kruiser98 2 years ago
"Doc tagged 18 Kea in pre-operation. Ten Kea lived inside the 1080 block during the danger period. Six of these Kea died from poisoning. 60%. Out of seven Kea that moved in and out of the 1080 area, one more was poisoned.
West Coast DOC now plan to drop more 1080 over Kea populations to test what happens".
Mike Slater - West Coast Head Conservator - Westport News - 11 August 2008
Are DOC driving our iconic high country parrots to extinction?
cheers
kruiser98 2 years ago
Mate 1080 is ok but there is NO need to put that much poison in it the could at least dilute it abit
Actually 1080 is crap.
I was out tramping over easter and the birds were singing the stags roaring.
Went back 2 weekes after 1080 drop No bird life no sound at all
1080 IS CRAP WE NEED TO GET RID OF IT
LewisMattTramping 2 years ago
We need 1080 in nz, all our birds and bush will die with out it !! It is a plant based poisons, that rots away! We need more 1080 drops!
boday07 2 years ago
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it's killing birds itself! the poison is not just picking out pests, the birds are eating it and it is getting into your water supply, read above. do it for your own safety, the future of the children, it's a huge waste of money and it is POISON!
attila1997 2 years ago
Well if the person above says jump from the Auckland Harbour Bridge would you do it? Do some research first, mate
TheRopati 2 years ago
The symptoms of poisoning normally appear between 30 minutes and four hours after exposure. They include vomiting, involuntary hyper-extension of the limbs, convulsions, and finally cardiac and respiratory collapse. There is no known effective antidote. In humans, 1080 poisoning has somewhat similar symptoms to an acute heart attack. Symptoms in domestic animals vary: dogs tend to show nervous system signs such as convulsions and uncontrollable running
attila1997 2 years ago
that is from Global Oneness to name just one, I found one article after another describing the harmful effects, if it can harm animals, why not humans? it just doesn't wash with me, it makes no sense. The US called for a ban on this stuff, it scares the shit out of me.
attila1997 2 years ago
this has helped alot in my resech asingment thank you for that i had no idea it was this harmful what is our gorvernment thinking
KARLMAN91 2 years ago
The benefits of using 1080 far outweigh the negative effects.
These guys are milking it and trying to make it sound worse than it is.
Deer arent even native to NZ, they are pests that destroy the native forests so i dont buy all this guilt trip bullshit that these guys are trying to force upon people.
I would rather see a pest suffer than see out native wildlife and bush suffer and be lost forever. The harsh reality is 1080 is the most effective means of control.
travdogger 2 years ago 4
Hopefully the biological control method being developed will replace 1080 as the main method for control, although its not expected to be ready for widespread use until 2013.
So, the bad news is 1080 will continue to be the main method of control at least until then, but I'm sure you over zealous activists can last until then.
1080 will be phased out, so be patient. Dont waste precious time trying to ban something that has its days numbered anyway.
travdogger 2 years ago
unbelievable that this happens in an so called civilized country!
puchibln 2 years ago
holy shit, i live in new zealand and i didnt even know about this
JedRkx 2 years ago
1080 New Zealand. Just dumped 22 tones of it in the water catchment in Wellington Hutt Valley id be careful drinking the water. it says on the can dont put in any body of water it will bite them on the arse one day. Cheers 1080
kruiser98 2 years ago
You are correct about the cruelty aspect of both poisons. You the go on to say I have no right to complain about us moral hypocrites moaning about 1080. Now you know why we do :-) Both are cruel, I get it, Both are dangerous
waiotahi52 2 years ago
Yes I do and yes I know how it works, I nail a bait to a block of wood I don't throw tons of the shit all over the countryside.The Idiots at DOC just killed 70 rare bats by their blitzkrieg method.That is my objection. DOC NZ own more than 15 tonnes of 1080, they are going to dump it on our country till it is all gone then buy more.You don't see a problem here? Read my last comment again, that sign is less than 200 m. from my house, you are 1200 miles away. The stream runs past my house sod off
waiotahi52 2 years ago
My initial message made relevance to the cruelty aspect, so I do not know why you are bothering to write a thesis on the matter to me. You're talking about a completely different objection here, one that has merit, yes, but it is not what I was referring to.
MarkPalantos 2 years ago
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outdoornz 2 years ago
Im constantly saddned by the various ways humans kill animals, havent they suffered enough, farmed to be eaten, hunted for sport and now were freakin poisioning them!!! im ashamed to be a human, when did it all go so wrong???
bonzaralle 2 years ago
Would you really care about insects and birds if 1080 didn't kill deer- from whom you make a living.
Of course you want the deer saved - you want to put a bullet in them at a time to suit yourself.
No mention from you, the damage deer do to our natural ecology.
Anyone can stage a doco like you have been doing. If NZers fall for this then they are very ignorant. Pro 1080 conservationists have no hidden agenda
kahurangiwoman 2 years ago
hi man can i camp in the bush in new zealand
gypsietraveller 2 years ago
Yes
waiotahi52 2 years ago
Those who are against 1080:
Do you use rat poison? If you do, then you have no grounds to complain about 1080's inherent cruelty.
MarkPalantos 2 years ago
I don't spread my rat poison in a blitzkrieg manner all over your backyard, like these guys do. The NZ Department of Conservation (and I use the term loosely)....
'advise all trampers to bring their own water requirements and PLEASE do not take any water from this area for consumption, to not handle any bait or carcasses, and DO NOT leave children untended.
Got a sign like that up your road.? I do
waiotahi52 2 years ago
So you use rat poison in your home then?
If that is so, then you shouldn't be bitching about 1080 because you are a moral hypocrite. It is still very humorous people are so selective when it comes to animal cruelty. A fox or rabbit bleeds to death and dies painfully slowly, it's inhumane and abhorrent. But the same thing is done to a rat, not a second is spared to think or respect its suffering.
Tells me the only reason people are against is that the animal is cute, not the act itself.
MarkPalantos 2 years ago
The Nazis weren't allowed to use this crap in the concentration camps because their Masters' thought it too dangerous for the staff to handle' What does that tell you about our NZ Gov.? The UN consider it the most lethal poison on their register, does your country throw it all over your back yard? Saddam Hussein had two small containers of this shit as part of his stock of WMD,the man was a sissy compared to our DOC. Read their warning sign on my last comment, then read it again
waiotahi52 2 years ago
If you wish to view a cruel death by 1080 i have posted the death of my pet incalf heifer on u tube .
This happend on the 22nd of june but it took untill last week for me to get the results which showed high level of 1080.
Red Cow had very high levels of 1080 but no sign of bait anywehre in her guts. I am trying to get them ti investigate water contamination as all our water comes straight out of the bush onto our paddocks.
Bronwyn Perkins West Coast
perkinsb46 2 years ago 2
Its great to see DOC getting busted for trying to delete info on the 1080 Wikipedia page (online encyclopedia) about these videos...the graf boys...anti 1080 groups etc etc.
Just goes to show how out of touch with reality DOC actually is....
I,ve noticed they,ve got a series of "How Great" 1080 is videos going down on youtube these days.
Who pays for DOC,s videos to be made?...no doubt we do...the NZ taxpayer.
1080 Poison = Dollar Signs & Greed
anarchyaction 2 years ago 2
After watching this video I now understand why so may people who live in rural areas develop cancers
phoebereeves 2 years ago
mate. 40% of kea nests get wiped out with no pest control. you seem to be missing the point.
I'm with science. that'll do me.
NZ's wildlife never evolved with predators. so we gotta help it out where we can. i've spent a heap of time in the bush pal, and when there's been 1080 there's always more native birds.
This 'silent forests' argument is crap too. they're silent 'cos they've had the life sucked out of them by rats and stoats.
kiwisaver2008 2 years ago 2
What wipes out 40% of their nests?
waiotahi52 2 years ago
Be aware that there are no native mammals in NZ except for two species of bats. NINETY FIVE PER CENT of kiwi chicks will not survive to six months old because of predation by mammals.
Did you know Kakapo used to be one of our most common birds - now there 100 left. They can't live on the mainland anymore because of pests. It is a disgrace to want the pests to be around. we need 1080 to get rid of them.
I love NZ native wildlife and i want it protected.
piwakawaka22 2 years ago 2
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Have you seen the vid of a Kea having a munch on a 1080 pellet?
You call Kea's pests? what about the humans in NZ? are they native? and sheep? Native?
NZ is the school example of ecocide
sarcophyllus 2 years ago
Do you seriously think that dropping 1080 is only kills the possums and no other animals?
Or is a Kea an undercover possum that has to be eradicated too?
sarcophyllus 2 years ago
sheep are not native either. So why not kill them then?
sarcophyllus 2 years ago
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Orio9000 2 years ago
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muppetboy69 2 years ago
How does your comment relate to 1080? what an idiotic thing to say.
bigsolly2 2 years ago
So much for National Geographic huh?
Britanglish13 2 years ago
She is right, it is a disgrace.
horsesinnyc 2 years ago
this is so bad, why are they using this poison for.
horsesinnyc 2 years ago
There is a head lady in doc who has openely said that she doesn't want any amimals in new zealand, just trees and birds! Who really wants this for new zealand?? I love to hunt and doc keeps on targeting my areas! seems a big waste to distroy good meet like that! respect for animals!
ptscaife 3 years ago