Fast, 80 mph pacing action on the BNSF in New Mexico. 4/17/2001

[alexvanloon111081]

Jack it doesn't matter what people sey you making great movies my friend!!!

[1jackdk]

@alexvanloon111081 Thanks Alex. Let them say what they want. I was the one there and seen it, and the crew even called out to us on the scanner "80" . So I have nothing more to say. That should be proof enough. Did you get my email on the Utah train???

[TheDylanJoyce]

such pretty colors

[ArtStone]

Here is a hint - when paying mileage on a rental car, having the speedometer and odometer reading too high means the customer is being cheated. Rental cars have a separate odometer mounted on a wheel that measures actual distance. Exaggerating the speed also reduces abuse on the car and the chance of the driver getting a speeding ticket.

[dalton1583]

Nice. That's moving along

[easyamp123]

that train is really haulin ass.

[gt3corn]

I swore I saw some freight moving 85+mph, but no it's always ''they can't do tha FRA won't allow it's over the speed limit''. I'm telling you guys, sometimes they really be moving.

[IMRROcom]

We were running in Texas and paced a BNFS D-Stack at 80mph with the GPS. Seems some one is lying bith the van and the GPS were 80MPH and we could not keep up with the thing.

[nukinfuts1000]

Beautiful scenery. I went to the southwest all long the highways were ex Santa Fe mainlines and every five to ten minutes an at least 60 mph train going down the mainline

[Drraacula]

@BBCTV122 I agree, as you are talking about electric trains, with no more than 15 carriages. But here it is about diesel engines and and very heavy freight trains. I bet the Japanese electric engine cannot run with more than 30mph such a heavy train.

[N330AA]

@Drraacula Well the Japanese bullet trains are multiple units and not locomotives so a comparison wouldn't make any sense. Let's take the French TGV instead, which has locos of about 5,900hp each. So yes they probably could pull this train faster, on flat grade such as this. However, when you get to Cajon or Tehachapi pass, the TGV's wheels would slip as the loco is too light to pull all that weight upgrade. They might also struggle to start the train in the first place.

Awesome video btw!

[thepopeis1]

I wonder how many miles that would take to stop

[GlobalistPotato]

@BBCTV122 Japan doesn't even have trains capable of going 300 mph.

You're confusing metric with imperial...

[Rocketboy1950]

I don't give a rodents posterior if its going 78.3 or 81.2 you did a good job holding the camera steady in a moving vehicle. I have a few like it and I know how hard it is to achieve.

Well done........and as a loco driver from down under.......we all sneak em over from time to time and if they don't go tits up nobody says anything.

[david40686]

the second unit in BN colours (yes, I'm Australian, deal with the spelling) at first looked like one of the SD40B units, but now I think it's an SD60M.

[iceman977th]

If he's not doing 70, and hes not doing 80, then hes doing 79. There. Now shut up.

[Jameson4Life]

I can't believe how many people on here are trying to lobby a case this train isn't going 80 mph. Despite the "distance between the train and the car" reasoning or the snotty ass railfan know-it-alls who know everything about 70 mph speed limits, the video shows this car and train pacing long enough where it's safe to say that train was going 80 for quite som time. So shut upthe fuck up already. Period.

[deathbox90]

i fucking hate all these law abiding rail fans. shut the fuck up, lick my fucking ass hole, and ride a god damn freight train and learn something

[ejvideos07]

I reckon you filmed a stationary model on a green screen and chroma keyed the scenery around it . :) Naa mate - it's all good - thanks for posting. With all the negative comments, you wonder why you bother sometimes. So few videos, so many know it alls ! There's barely enough to go around !! Nice video.

[RedLego391]

@BBCTV122

This is the US we're talkin' about. Not Japan.

Japan doesn't have mile, 2 mile long freights, do they?

[graysonator123]

Considering this was in 2001, I'm not sure if they would have had GPS in all of the engines yet to monitor the speed. I wouldn't doubt it's going 80mph.

[walkerbelle]

Rest assured the train is only traveling at 70 MPH. Federal regulations prohibit that train from speeds about 70 MPH in much of that terrain. It's an illusion that you are traveling at the same speed as the train because of the distance between the two vehicles. I don't remember what it's called but, if you notice & you even mention here that the trains slows as he gets closer to town; as you get physically closer to the train... you are actually traveling faster than he is. He is doing 70.

[lukebanditchip]

this video was used to fire the conductor....

[joethebumbler]

Man that is pretty country!

[STICKGUYMB]

@BBCTV122

Fine, stick with your Jap-scrap then.

(I MEAN NO OFFENSE TO THE JAPANESE OR ANY OF THEIR EQUIPMENT)

[ACLTony]

Very cool! I hope you guys didn't get a speeding ticket. So neat seeing whipping through the mainline. If there was any carbon or gunk build up inside of those prime movers, it was gone. The units are burning clean as there's barely any exhaust visible. Great catch!

[MSNWindows7]

Wow, that beautiful cliff scenery...

[Backyard76]

Well, the timetable speed limit for this type of train Gallup to Gonzales is 70mph. Passenger speed limit is 90mph, freight trains are listed as 55mph, but 70 is because the train has no restricted cars.

Remember, no two speedometers are calibrated exactly the same at a given time.

I would doubt the car, before the train.

None the less, they are doing a fine job accross the deserts of New Mexico!

I bet it takes a lot of guts to do this!

Thanks for the video.

[TheMaster592]

@BBCTV122 japan is an over populated land fill that has trains that can go 250mph. Our fastest train can go 200mph but the government restricts it too 150mph for safety so u and japan can go suck an egg dolphin killers

[Vallecrash]

@TheMaster592 In the USA bullet trains must be restricted to low speeds because the infrastructure is not ready for them. It's not about lower speeds being "safer", it's all about that the American rail network simply can't handle higher speeds safely!

In fast trains, the USA are at least 30 years behind Europe and 40 years behind Japan.

[pvilleff33]

isnt the max speed 70 on those Locos?

[pznerd]

Now that's hauling ASS.

[revman383]

isn't the overspeed set at 74mph

[sparwood8]

The old Steam locos of the 50's could hit 100

[intercityrailpal]

@BBCTV122 Yea, the're fine unless something gores wrong. And sometimes it does.Lots of power. I don't see much exhaust. So he's not pulling hard! If the stackers had passenger type trucks they could do 100. But higher speed means more fuel.The stacks or empty hoppers are like big sails! They hold you back. If your running that thing you just hope every minute no one drives in front of you! If you even set the air, it takes a few minutes for the brakes to react! Meanwhile your moving fast!

[jwaldopepper]

That's what I call "walking the dog"!

[Irons7922]

omg a train! I only see them like everyday lol

[honchomike563]

they track your speed like a mofucker especialy BNSF

[ConrailForever]

Max speed for those engines is 74mph. At 75, the engine governor kicks in and shuts down the engine.

[DTMRM8]

Wow, I wish I could see that in person. That's a lot of flying metal. Freight trains around here only do like 20 or 30.

[psychotikpaisano]

Holy shit it is insane to see that amount of metal moving that fast o_0!!!

[2005GLI]

kind of a dumb question. with such level ground, would they need to be notch 8 at all times to keep such a consistant speed?

[ironhorse101998]

freight trains are allowed to run 70 mph , they're set to go into a penalty application (brakes set up automatically) if they get over 73 mph, passenger trains can run 79 mph.............

[JetMechMA]

This train is clearly running at 80 mph. I highly doubt that the truck speedo is innaccurate. I have a 16 year old car and I can see how accurate my speedo still is all these 16 years later, when I look across at the digital speedometers of other cars. For whatever reason, this train is loping along at 80. great video. I was on an Amtrak train between Oakland and Sacramento CA and we were passing the speed demons on the freeway next to us. I asked the engineer and he said 80 MPH.

[JetMechMA]

It didn't feel like we were doing 80 mph on the Amtrak train at all. The Capital Corridor Train. Great ride, by the way. The Western Rail museum is near the train station in Sacramento. Great day trip. I noticed the tracks were something I've never seen before. I'd call them super-tracks. They were huge. Much bigger than I ever saw when my father worked for a railroad in Chicago in the 1980s.

[PhilbruProduction]

Beautiful pursuit. Bravo. 5*

[FlyBikes089]

Damn, I love this video! Of course, BNSF rocks ever!

[fernando1cunha]

Beautiful images of this train with 4 locomotives in his command.

See my videos of the Carajas railroad, here in northern Brazil in the states of Maranhão and Pará.

Greetings!!

[thechoosendude]

Five diesel pacing the front of the train... damn, I would've liked to see how long the whole thing was.

[JohnsZX2]

Wow, and I thought the local freight doing 65mph I cought was fast!

[zobayer1]

hehe, may be, but this vdo is for diesel fans... no electric shits...

[sgtredbluered]

Nice pacing vid. The state of New Mexico has fantastic scenery. I have read on some of the other railfan vids discussions whereby track speeds up to 79 m.p.h. are allowed in certain locations.

[trainman2816]

They wouldn't be going 80MPH because those engines are only geard for 70MPH. Because you're so far away it looks like you were going the speed of the train, when actually you were going faster.

[hutch430]

Max. freight speed is 70. They are geared true, but they can go faster.

[BudmanPackfan]

SD60M is geared from EMD/GMD at 79mph. Right out of their specifications.

[1jackdk]

Yah!!! But where talking mile & 1/2 long freight trains here. Not 300 mph passenger trains. I bet Japan doesn't have freight trains this long, going this fast, do they!!! Thanks for watching...

[thechoosendude]

You're right! Japan doesn't have a freight train system. They have the donkey cargo express - an extensive network of carriages led by mules over muddy trails through shanty villiages.

[kmothersil]

They should allow freight trains to go 80 if not 90 mph in the US. They did before with Union Pacific with their DDA40X and DD35s, and I think their SD45s.

[KSE828]

Needless to say i wasn't too pleased about it. 511 too i think . Both GP38-2LW'S.

[KSE828]

Either they have different speed limits in New Mexico, or they've gone past overspeed, which i'm pretty sure is 74.

[gt3corn]

Look a how fast those power poles are passing the train. He really was going 80mph, limit or not.

[1225dude]

thats American muscle

[arhythmius]

Totally worth it to see I-40 in New Mexico. I-40 between Williams, AZ and Albuquerque, NM is my favorite stretch of highway anywhere, and I miss it when I'm not on it!

I also miss seeing the old ATSF colors on BNSF locos. :(

[num1hendrickfan]

@arhythmius Same for I-10 in New Mexico and Arizona. Parallels the Union Pacific line.

Two great stretches of scenic highways in the Southwestern U.S.

[Latvietis96]

Awesome, I`ve never been in a real desert.

[jimmydcap]

Ive been on the interstate  and seeing trains there are easy. Great video.

[barbackjack]

the max speed for trains in that area is 70mph... i know because ive ran ovewr that territory, they are not going 80 mph or they would get fired lol

[1jackdk]

I'm not doubting you, but I don't know what to tell you. We paced him side by side for 10 miles. This video is only 1/2 of what we have on this clip to hold the time down to 4:30. You can see we panned to the speedo and back. Its not like we added the speed reading, and the speedo is not lying. At the end of the clip, we start pulling away from him as he slows for Gallop. Maybe they weren't as strict on the speed almost 9 years ago. Thanks for watching. Jack...

[zsacapala]

I know that amercian diesel locomotives´s top speed is 75 mph or 115km/hr, i think it is an error in you elcture because you see it from an certain angle wich alterates de position of the needle in you eyes, maybe, because of the numbe rof locomotives and the general weight of the train can help, 5*

[BudmanPackfan]

you are incorrect with this general statement. the SD60M was geared at 70:17 on 40" drivers to give a top RATED speed of 79 mph, direct from the manufacturer SPecs (EMD/GMD). PASSENGER diesel-electrics GENISIS locomotives are geared/drivered for 110 mph.

[trainiax]

You're right about the 70:17 gearing on the SD60M, but top speed for that gear ratio is generally 70 mph - not 79 mph.

[BudmanPackfan]

@ trainiax I was just sharing the information that I got directly from the EMD catalog on the SD60 series. EMD claimed 79 mph. Now, the owners have the option to set an over speed device at what ever maximum speed they chose, and it sounds like most set them at 70 mph.

Often there is much speculation, I was just sharing the information directly from the EMD specs to help iron that out. :)

[trainiax]

@ Budman

There must have been a typo, or something... 70:17 gearing has been the EMD standard from the 50 series to the current 70 series, and it's always listed it at 70 mph.

I'm not aware of a recent EMD gear ratio with a top speed of 79 mph - the closest would be 69:18 at 76 mph or 67:19 at 82 mph.

However, 79 mph is the FRA-mandated speed limit on many lines.

[gn2hca]

1jackdk Did you ever wonder why someone would contradict you about the train's speed? If you still have that car, please get the speedometer calibrated correctly. "Speedos" DO lie! And even a modest amount of effort spent on research would reveal that 70mph is the speed limit for freight trains on that track. There are "event recorders" on the locomotives that keep track of what the engineer does. Rrunning 80mph and showing up 30" early at next crew change would be a good way to get fired.

[Polybun]

@1jackdk Your speedometer isn't even close to accurate. You've probably changed the tire size on that vehicle without changing the drive gear on the speedo.

anyway, doing 80 huh? Whats the speed limit on that road? I love how you stupid foamers think it's ok to disregaurd the law to get a video. I do hope you die of cancer.

[1jackdk]

@Polybun Well! Ain't you Mr Know it all! First! The car is a rental, with 3000 miles on the odometer. Hardly think Avis is going to permit tire of gear change, and second! Stupid FOAMER? You asshole! We are in New Mexico on I-40! The speed limit is 75 mph. There isn't a cop in the state that's going to stop someone going over 75mph. There where cars and trucks passing me while I was video taping this. I hope you get run over by a train of a truck you stupid bastard. I NEVER wish anyone to die.

[AOEStrategist]

@Polybun Wow c'mon man, were you there? I think not. If he says the train is going 80 then its going freaking 80!! And even if its not, who cares!!!!!! There are better things to do then trying to find ways to doubt what all others say. Show some respect or I can promise you will receive none during your few years you've been given in this world to piss away peoples time. Great video 1jackdk, enjoyed it very much.

[chile1212]

@Polybun your such an idiot

[Erictheirritated]

@1jackdk I don't think you are lying but the speedo might be. Most speedos read 3% to 5% high so the true speed may be 2.5mph to 4mph lower than that indicated by the speedo.

[kf7strng]

I'm going to agree with you on that one. And.. doesn't emergency kick in at approximately 74?

[maousn75]

Not emergency, but a penalty brake application. The brake pipe releases almost all the air but at a service rate.

[kf7strng]

ah yes, thank you!

[rockisland57]

@barbackjack Not to mention they overspeed trips at 73 ;)

[LGLG69]

HWY 40? I've been on that HWY through AZ to NM. It's a very beautiful drive.

[1jackdk]

It sure is!!! Hope one of these days I can head back there. Thanks for watching. Take care, Jack

[BNSF9250]

@1jackdk and the best part lots of trains too

[vze428s7]

SEEEE now why cant we have freight trains goin up to this speed, it would least b moving in the direction to high speed in the United States, and plus things could b moved faster

[formidable38]

We gota stretch of highway near me in the UK that follows the track with trains of 100mph pluss, trouble is its all borring passenger trains that no one takes any notice of, not qaulity power like this! Not everyday you see an ex BN SD60 stretching its legs either I bet! Nice footage.

[mrlrrconductor]

Kinda cool, but as a railroader I know all those motors have a top speed of 70, are they on coming off a grade?

[1jackdk]

As far as I know , it seem like it was pretty flat threw there Mike. But there was no doubt we where doing at least 80 mph for a few miles to stay alontg side him. He started to slow down as we got near Gallup, NM. Thanks for watching. Jack

[6irondriver]

Probably for all acounts, it may have been a slight downhill run, the SUV they were in prolly had a 5 MPH differential of real speed, and it didn't read 80 when they showed it, more like 75.. So everything accounted for, the train was prolly about 67 in real speed.

[BudmanPackfan]

by calling these locomotives "motors", you apparently work overseas. The SD60M produced for use in NA are geared at &70:17 with 40" drives giving a top speed of 79 mph. they certainly can go faster if even on a slight down grade

[mrlrrconductor]

LOL, I work over seas! Yeah right, I have been on the railroad for almost 15 years in Montana, and I heard the old heads call locomotoives "motors" since I hired out. They may be geared at what ever, but thereis electronic overspeed detector on everyone of the LOCOMOTIVES that is set at 70MPH. The train will go into emergency if overspeed for so long,its set up just like the alerter.

[BudmanPackfan]

I just haven't heard anybody here call d/e a "motor" before, that usually was used for electrics. Regionally, we do have different names for the same thing. So that's cool and I assumed incorrectly, sorry. I appreciate that the RR you work for has this safety measure set at 70. Makes sense. But other railroads or divisions of such may have their overspeed device set at a different speed because they don't have steep grades like what you expereince in Montana. Ok?

[MyRISEagainst]

uhhhh why would u do this?

kinda GAAAAAAAAAY!

[graysonator123]

fuck off. bet you could find thousands on youtube that would die to pace a train at 80mph

[SAK8899]

well maybe next time i will belive you if you prove it

[protection8050]

I would think those units would be giving the engineer an overspeed indication. Most locomotives have speed limit of 70 or 75 and if I'm not mistaken, that SD60M has a speed limit of 65. But apparently there's no harm in doing 80.

[blindcynic]

that's about 22.000 HP put to work right there.

[mygirl22ward]

I was in the same stretch back in 1990, it was just as the sun went down and could only make out a string of auto racks and the headlight of the lead unit, and it kept up with us until we had to get gas in Gallup. Thanks for the memories!! Driving from Grand Rapids, Michigan to Los angeles, CA. PRICELESS!

[robmasterman]

Another Gem of a video Jack and well done Kevin for some superb camera work 5* Bob

[nssteve1979]

Gotta love that!

[SteamCrane]

Big grin!!!

[NSCorpDyl]

Wow great backround!

[gp40mc]

Nice! Its hard for me to think of freights going that fast. Around me they never go that fast.

[KSE828]

Yea, around me they go between 30-42, and that's fast for me. I can't imagine pacing a train at 60+!

[gp40mc]

thru my town Pan am freights go 5-10 mph. Its very annoying. I recently found out it's because there are 2 speed restrictions close together so they don't have time to speed up before they get top the next one.

[KSE828]

Ahh that brings back memories. Back in the 90's i used to watch Pan Am(when they were still Guilford of course!) all the time. Not sure what sub, or branch, or w/e it was, but it was the line through Readfield, ME. Good times. My family doesn't own out little cottage anymore so it is but a fond memory to me. Went up there about a year ago and at the time, i believe the unit number was 510...it was the only engine in the Pan Am paint scheme and i didn't have my camera on me when it went by.

[gp40mc]

I usually still refer to it as Guilford because most of their engines are still painted in the Guilford colors, which is fine by me.

[1jackdk]

Its in the more info section. Thanks for watching.

[Tcostello105]

Dam you drive fast! LOL Great video by the way

[1jackdk]

Thanks goodness the speed limit is 75 out there.

[csxketh1]

Did you take the video or did someone else?

[1jackdk]

Its in the more info section. Thanks for watching.

[csxketh1]

ok thanks!

[cbehr91]

Unfortunately, Jack, you just can't trust anybody on YouTube to read the info box.