@dclong You can't ignore history. Past experiences are powerful & won't disappear. People look for easy fix & that's why they bash psychoanalytic/dynamic work. I thnk CBT, RET are good for short term intervention.
(continued)... Ellis seemed like a happy medium between Rogers and Pritz. He attacked her believes, irrational thoughts, but did not attack her. He told her what to do, unlike Rogers and she seemed to appreciate that. He talked a lot more than I'd like, but she also seemed to be intellectual enough to comprehend his long explanations. She may not have made an emotional connection with him, but she may have felt understood. She also presented with a different issue for each therapist.
(continued)... Pritz was far move aggressive in order to elicit her true pesona, for the lack of better words. He attacked her behaviours, her character and her statements. All the while she believed that she could not trust to open up to him because he'd attack her even more. He did not give her positive regard, neither did he intend to. He'd antagonize her. She did not seem to be able to see that he was really giving her control of the session, which she felt she did not have at all.
All three: Rogers offers lots unconditional positive regard and she likes that a lot. She wanted him to tell her what to do in regards to her feelings of guilt about lying to her daughter. Rogers would not do it nor would he delve much into her irrational thoughts. He merely gave her positive regard. She may have felt closest to him, as she said that he would make a good father to her. Rogers refused, explicitly, to tell her what to do and rather tried to have her come to her own conclusions.
Ellis is very scientific, and lacks the experiential aspect. He is more thought, not feel. Healing is a combination of experiencing/feeling insight as well as recignizing/cognizant it. That is why a combination of Ellis and Rogers is essential.
I very much agree with what he says in the beginning, however i VERY much dislike his forcefulness with Gloria. He almost assumes what she thinks and feels and he almost has to argue to get him to listen. I can sense her anxiety with his approach towards her, i feel like he's trying to prove 'im good at what i do, im the expert so listen to me and not yourself'. I don't like it. he makes some good points, but his approach is very forceful.
@nopuelbmuts i can understand that if im honest. i don't think i would consider his approach to be one of 'counselling' though. its an approach i do personally take, although not so forceful, but i am not a counsellor.
@luckymirixox WHAT? That's scary news! But proves the comments below - the short-term help given by all the psycho techniques. I have found another one - but it requires us making the required effort and being authentic... Using MANAGED ANGER to go through past issues. More by looking up 'redirecting selftherapy' or in 'The Anger Solution: The Proven Method for Achieving Calm and Developing Healthy, Long-Lasting Relationships' by John Lee :)
So Gloria had to stand Perls, Ellis and Rogers in the same day? She probably had the best sex ever that night: here and now, accepting all she wanted to do to the guy, plus being as rational as emotive on bed...
So, the past is irrelevant when we know behavior is a product of the past experience. So, you have to help coax them to figure out their own solutions with coaching.
I like the part where the camera guy slips on a banana peel and for a moment we see only the top of Ellis's head.
BigBrauner 19 hours ago
That's why majority of clients fail... RET is bunch of crap!
luckymirixox 4 days ago
@luckymirixox Thank you for exhibiting your ignorance.
dclong 3 days ago
@dclong You can't ignore history. Past experiences are powerful & won't disappear. People look for easy fix & that's why they bash psychoanalytic/dynamic work. I thnk CBT, RET are good for short term intervention.
luckymirixox 2 days ago
(continued)... Ellis seemed like a happy medium between Rogers and Pritz. He attacked her believes, irrational thoughts, but did not attack her. He told her what to do, unlike Rogers and she seemed to appreciate that. He talked a lot more than I'd like, but she also seemed to be intellectual enough to comprehend his long explanations. She may not have made an emotional connection with him, but she may have felt understood. She also presented with a different issue for each therapist.
edulalo17 6 days ago in playlist counseling
(continued)... Pritz was far move aggressive in order to elicit her true pesona, for the lack of better words. He attacked her behaviours, her character and her statements. All the while she believed that she could not trust to open up to him because he'd attack her even more. He did not give her positive regard, neither did he intend to. He'd antagonize her. She did not seem to be able to see that he was really giving her control of the session, which she felt she did not have at all.
edulalo17 6 days ago in playlist counseling
All three: Rogers offers lots unconditional positive regard and she likes that a lot. She wanted him to tell her what to do in regards to her feelings of guilt about lying to her daughter. Rogers would not do it nor would he delve much into her irrational thoughts. He merely gave her positive regard. She may have felt closest to him, as she said that he would make a good father to her. Rogers refused, explicitly, to tell her what to do and rather tried to have her come to her own conclusions.
edulalo17 6 days ago in playlist counseling
I like how they all describe the hypothetical patient in their introductions as males, knowing they'll interview a female.
Telling of the times and of pretty much the gender for which most theories were formulated (mainly white males).
edulalo17 6 days ago in playlist counseling
Ellis is very scientific, and lacks the experiential aspect. He is more thought, not feel. Healing is a combination of experiencing/feeling insight as well as recignizing/cognizant it. That is why a combination of Ellis and Rogers is essential.
CJgirrl 1 week ago
@CJgirrl no one cares. EXISTENTIAL RULES.
babamybacha 1 week ago
I very much agree with what he says in the beginning, however i VERY much dislike his forcefulness with Gloria. He almost assumes what she thinks and feels and he almost has to argue to get him to listen. I can sense her anxiety with his approach towards her, i feel like he's trying to prove 'im good at what i do, im the expert so listen to me and not yourself'. I don't like it. he makes some good points, but his approach is very forceful.
orlaalro 3 weeks ago
@orlaalro Surprisingly, Gloria stated afterwards that Ellis' session was the most helpful.
nopuelbmuts 3 weeks ago
@nopuelbmuts i can understand that if im honest. i don't think i would consider his approach to be one of 'counselling' though. its an approach i do personally take, although not so forceful, but i am not a counsellor.
orlaalro 3 weeks ago
@nopuelbmuts Is there a clip of that somewhere on youtube?
GSte306 2 weeks ago
@GSte306 Not sure, but that's what my psychology professor told me during class
nopuelbmuts 2 weeks ago
@nopuelbmuts Ah okay, just would have been interested in seeing Gloria's comments on the whole thing. :)
GSte306 2 weeks ago
@GSte306 exactly, and then how her whole romance life went after the session... :)
aronpajczyk 1 week ago
@aronpajczyk I've heard Gloria ended up committing suicide.. Not sure if it was after working w Roders or Ellis..
luckymirixox 2 days ago
@luckymirixox WHAT? That's scary news! But proves the comments below - the short-term help given by all the psycho techniques. I have found another one - but it requires us making the required effort and being authentic... Using MANAGED ANGER to go through past issues. More by looking up 'redirecting selftherapy' or in 'The Anger Solution: The Proven Method for Achieving Calm and Developing Healthy, Long-Lasting Relationships' by John Lee :)
aronpajczyk 5 hours ago
So Gloria had to stand Perls, Ellis and Rogers in the same day? She probably had the best sex ever that night: here and now, accepting all she wanted to do to the guy, plus being as rational as emotive on bed...
Jeanpierrepiaf 3 weeks ago 2
@Jeanpierrepiaf AHA, now I get the reasons behind his technique...
aronpajczyk 4 hours ago
OMG this guys voice... T_T, nooooo. And he has a such intense stare into the camera compared to the other two.
Mortalvis 3 weeks ago
Wow, this man is a genius!! So articulate as well.
solidsnake1447 3 weeks ago
So, the past is irrelevant when we know behavior is a product of the past experience. So, you have to help coax them to figure out their own solutions with coaching.
truvelocity 1 month ago
Great insight, foundation of REBT.
clearskymind 1 month ago