The GREAT SANTOS-DUMONT. He really did fly a real flying machine. The Wright Brothers had a simple glider (very simple made). Santos-Dumont the first man to fly. Brazil yes!
The pilot must have nerves of steel! What a beautiful little craft. It's much more organic than anything. Kudos to everyone involved in building and maintaining the replica.
The history will thell the truth. Dumont will be recognize. I am not American or Brazilian.But I am tired of those people of that Country that believe dont have name, because North America is a name of a Continente. (You guys dont have criativity or imagination believe to choose a Country name) Fly? Yeah, with a big spoon, hidding on somebodies back yard. ....RSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRS....Grow up who belive on that crap? Just you guys nameless Country....
The history will give to Santos the respect he deserves.I am not American. You guys dont have a name for your Country, because North America is name of a Continent. The Brothers failled when they didnt fallow the rules.Dumont was the only one to take off and landed with own power.Without cattapult.That was the first rule of International Aeronautique Federation. Santos show the world his invention.The brothers hidded from the world.It is so embaressed to the future generations of USA rsrs...
I'm thinking how you can take off a C-130 Hercules with a catapult. FAIL. Dumont invented a REAL and COMPLETE airplane, like anyother modern plane, and Wright invented a tree with wings.
Sand dunes going down flight , Catapult for impulse & no wheels under the plane, funny but they used to work repairing bicycles, everybody was flying 2008 to 2009 without the help of these devices but Wrights did not improved at all.
Replicas after 100y. without a doubt 14Bis & Demoiselle dominated. Demoiselle design is what we see until these days. But if you ask most the people in America
about Dumont nobody knows, the media kills any intruder.
@easyeagle2 If these plane made by borthers wright was SOOO good as you said, why did the americans brought hundreds of FRENCH PLANES?
Damit, you americans think that you guys rule everthing, brothers wright made a GLIDER, Dumont a PLANE.
Brazil and France made the Sky a piece of cake to control. If brothers wright model was accepted in the world, the aviation would be 20 years in the pass.
Santos Dumont controlled his flying machine before a multitude of Parisians at the Bagatelle Park in 1906.
On the other hand the Wright Brothers couldn't count on as many observers as they wanted to give weight on their catapulting experiment but a bunch of frightened cows feeding on the pasture.
Haha CATAPULT. Hey just an FYI, if the catapult thing discredits the Wright Bro., just know that they didn't use the catapult in 1905 on several occasions. So even without it they flew before Dumont.
@EmperorOfMars the american trip to the moon was fake, and everyone knows that, and also knows the first wright brother's plane was a joke. accept that, will be better for you. hahahahaha
@lialammas, He also kind of started off the home-built aircraft movement when he published the plans to his Demoiselle in Popular Mechanics. Not to mention his pioneering lighter than air craft.
The Wright brothers simply catapulted themselves in the air, there was no engine propelled take off, let's see you actually put any plane in the air just w/ a catapult. Santos Dummont's 14 Bis flights in France ARE the legitimate predecessors to the modern planes-not the Wrights sling-shot contraption, but since some people always want to be 'pioneers'@ , even if the Wrights had jumped off a building, only to glide for 2 seconds and crash, wannabes would be quick to say: We did it first!
@egyptianminor lol, another butthurt Brasileiro 1-they didn't use their catapult in 1903 2- catapult=\= slingshot 3- their planes flew higher, longer and had way more control than Dumonts ever did 4-Navy pilots take off with a catapult assist from aircraft carriers- you gonna tell me those aren't real planes? 5- moved to France at 17 none the the flights in question occurred in Brasil 6- Dumont loved media attention much more than the Wright did. Typical emotional irrational Brasilian reaction.
@matseracer You like the Wright Brothers plane because you can fly it in Flight Simulator, powerful media very bias why did not put a Demoiselle to be fair and balance in the game. Americans have been brain washed from the begining. After 100 years none of Wrights Replicas barely could take off, Santos Dumont Replicas of 14-Bis
and Demoiselle all of them could fly. Conclusion : only the Brothers could fly their own plane.
A farsa criada pelo smithsonian, é algo desnecessário ao planeta, pois hoje torna-se obvio que Santos Dumont sempre o primeiro a alçar voô com um verdaddeiro avião, mas os white concertavam boas bicicletas também!
foi muito engraçado aquela cena da réplica dos irmãos Wrights não ter voado na frente do JoHN TRAVOLTA e G.BUSH no suposto aniversario de "100" anos do primeiro vôo ahauhauhauhauahuahauhau
@anozawa (sigh) Yet again it has to be repeated and is easily checked. The Wrights first flights on Dec 17 03 were accomplished without a catapult. The fourth flight was 59 seconds and fully controlled in all three axes. This far outstripped any performance by the Dumont aircraft. The catapult was a later refinement and in any case makes no differece to a powered controlled and sustained flight of such duration.
@anozawa So I guess airplanes on aircraft carriers are rocks because they use the same thing the Wright Brothers did, rail and catapult. Catapult and rail, very smart at reducing takeoff roll, especially on sandy North Carolina beaches.
@anozawa , aircraft carriers use catapults to launch their advance jets in the air by using less runway length, so my friend, the wright brothers where ahead of their time by catapulting their aircraft.
Very nice, that plane performed a lot better than the replica of the 1903 Wright Flyer did at it's 100th anniversay, even though it did kind of crash at the end there.
The organizers wanted to fly the bis14 on the national mall. The rotors caused by the wind in between the buildings made it difficult to execute a 100% controlled landing. So instead, the pilot made a deliberate hard landing which broke the two main wing spars. She flew again the following week at a different air show.
im not an american but am a long time aviation and aeronautical enhusiast and as an unbiased observer to this ridiculous argument, there can be no doubt whatsoever that the Wrights were first. Even if it were debatable, DuMont was not the counter claim to the title. And yes, the catapult excuse IS absurd. powered, controlled, sustained flight. if someone had achieved it by dropping off a building then they wouldve been the first. the launch is completely irrelevant.
@hpjacobs Of course you dont care because Santos wasn't from your family. I want see if you will have the same opinion if he was your grandfather. He was the first man to fly without a spoon. And he deserve respect .Thanks...
@arajakurzeme Oh but you are wrong. I am a part of his family. I belong to a very special part of his family. The family that enjoys flying and is part of a very special group of people. I respect Santos so much that I made this video for him, for me and even for you. What I do not respect are people vying for attention in fighting for who is right and who is wrong. If you are frustrated either go fishing or go flying, or both at the same time. Take an amphibian airplane and catch some bass.
@rcaddict72 Not only how the plane was launched is not irrelevant, IT IS THE MAIN POINT! Because if you do not consider it, then neither Dumont or the WB were the first, there were many pioneers before who flew on gliders, balloons or both. Dumont is the first in flight because it was the first time an airplane took off and landed SELF propelled with it's own engine. Not to mention it was done in front of a bunch of people in a official setting, not in a farm in Ohio in front of cows.
if so, then Dumont was also not the first, because all his "plane" could do was fly in a straight line. The Flyer III was much more of an airplane, since it could do BANKS, TURN, do "8" in the air, etc, etc.
@rcaddict72 The 14 bis could take off just like our airplanes can. 14 bis was TRULLY the 1st one for sure!!!
The Wrights used catapults and thats NOT an absurd. anything can fly with a catapult.... even stones can! Dumont IS the father of aviation..... if u trully are an aviator, u should know that.
@rcaddict72 theres no doubt that you have shit in your head.... even in 2003 flyer replica made by US government couldnt fly... pffff... George W Bush was like: "oh crap were fucked!".... kkkkkkkk
O vôo teve pouquíssimas testemunhas, o engenho "só funcionava em condições adequadas", (como o "centenário" demonstrou), aquilo não era um avião, visto que não era autopropelido, não era controlável e tampouco se mantinha por conta própria no ar. Se V.S. considera isso um avião, então creditemos isso a Abbas ibn Firnas, cujo engenho era, pelo menos, controlável, ou Otto Lillenthal, que ao menos, voava. Creditar coisa alguma aos irmãos Wright é simplesmente patético.
14-Biz was the real thing, the Wright's was a prototipe that could not
do it alone...
The Wright advocates says that they were the 'first to fly', but there was already flying Baloons on that age ....14 Biz was the first aircraft to take off an land, and flying was not Wrights creation
How many km/miles of catapult was needed to the Wright plane fly from USA to Paris? 100miles (and a perfect angle or death)? Do you see? Is it an aircraft or a prototipe?
For me its clear: S. Dumont CREATED the first AIRCRAFT
We can name Wrights invent the first 'hang-glider' not plane?
Lets stop talking about the catapult.The idea was to fly and stay on the air.The brothers were the first in 1903.Lets compare to a car.The Brothers car did not have a starter,it was pushed.Dumonts car had a starter,but guess what,they acomplished the same thing,both cars were running at the end.The catapult excuse is an absurd.
The story of the Wright brothers as the investors of the airplane is one of those big lies in history. It is just another attempt by Americans to claim everything for themselves. Santos Dumont's airplane took off by itself; it did not need a catapult.
The Wrights did not have a catapult for the first flights. They simply used a trolley and the plane took off entirely under its own power. The catapult was a later refinement. Check your facts before denigrating them.
As spitfire mentioned and I will also, the catapult was necessary for the type of application the machine was being used for. It was necessary at Simms for the confined space and shifting wind. I think that it is ingenious-modern aircraft carriers use this technology. Answer this honestly; Could Dumont 14 bis TURN IN A CIRCLE in 1906?
A questão não é "quem foi o primeiro a voar". O primeiro a voar, de toda forma, também foi brasileiro, Bartolomeu de Gusmão, inventor do balão.
Dumont inventou o AVIÃO, o avião moderno. O modelo de aeronave que se usa até hoje. Os irmãos Wright usaram um PLANADOR e uma CATAPULTA e chamaram isso de avião.
Just read the french news papers of the day....DeLaGrange, one of the leading French aviators, on seeing the Wright Flyer at LeMans in 1908 explained: We are beaten.
The american government only recognized the wright brothers in the 1940s after a judicial agreement with oliver in exchange for the kitty hawk for the simithosian. There are no credible witnesses of a wright flight before 1906, they flew only in 1908. The american government attempted to verify the claim, but the wright brothers backed off wanting money upfront. After 1906, flying their clunker killed an american officer and almost Wilbur. Dumont also made the first commercial plane: demoissele
O governo americano só reconheceu que os Irmãos Wrights voaram primeiro após acordo judicial com Oliver dando em troca a replica do Kitty Hawk. TODOS voos anteriores a Santos Dumont foram sem testemunhas qualificadas. O governo americano tentou verificar os supostos voos mas Oliver queria receber dinheiro adiantato para mostrar o invento. Oliver não manjava nada, apenas Wilbur. Dumont ainda inventou o primeiro aviao totalmente funcional:demosseile. .
I remember seeing a replica of this plane at EAA in 2006 in the Embrear tent. I don't know if it was this exact plane, but I would loved to see it get up!
Neither Brasilian nor American, my studies concluded that the story of Santos Dumont was purposely overlooked in the Anglo-American world. Aside, my opinion Dumont flew first. As South America emerges from the shadow of North America, these cultures are beginning to rightly celebrate and such celebrations will rightly continue, being long ovredue. Startling new evidence suggests that manned flight may have been possible by earlier civilisations, would anyone like to know? Daithi O Beagain.
piff, irmãos wright é uma farsa, nao tinha nem uma testemunha ocular, exceto um moleke...e crianças inbocentes do jeito que são, o treco deve ter sobio 2 cm e eles falaram que voou
hahaha, até hoje um 14- bis voa se for construído da mesma forma, já o "flyer" dos irmãos Wright só voou uma vez, e se voou, construíram um igual em 2003 e aquela "catapulta" não saiu do chão.
Much of the controversy about Santos Dumont and the Wrights arose from the difference in their approaches to publicity. Santos Dumont made his flights in public, often accompanied by the scientific elite of the time, then gathered in Paris. In contrast, the Wright Brothers were very concerned about protecting what they considered their trade secrets for patentability, a History is history and definitely Santos Dumont is the father of aviation as he make a control flight.
It would be nice if you guys did a little research. The Wright Flyer of 1903 did NOT launch from a catapult. Their later aircraft did because they were flying close to home and they did not have the steady wind in Dayton Ohio that they did in NC. Their original engine produced 12 HP. They calculated that they needed 8 HP to fly. There were several sworn eyewitnesses to their flight in 1903 and photographs of the event. What other proof is needed?
You are feeling that feeling of freedom. I had it since very young and always look up at the sky and admired the birds in flight. Find a way to get to a regional airport and enroll in a private pilots course. I did and never regretted it after 27 years of flying.
Especialistas em engenharia aeronáutica dizem que mesmo com a tecnologia atual, seria impossível decolar com um avião motorizado com 12 Hp. O Flyer pesava, segundo os próprios Wright, 340 kg. E mesmo gastando no projeto 1,2 milhões de dólares, a réplica do Flyer não voou MESMO!
Enquanto isso vemos as réplicas do 14-BIS e do Demoiselle voando maravilhosamente.
"Uma mentira dita mil vezes, torna-se uma verdade". - Joseph Goebbels, ministro da propaganda de Adolf Hitler.
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Too bad the Wright brothers flew in 1903 an aircraft, controllable around all three axis, off a wooden track, under its own power. They did not use a catapult til 1905. All you idiots are as bad as the French.
e viva Santos Dumont grande brasileiro sem duvidas nenhuma ate mesmo pela documentaçao O brasileiro Dumont é o pai da aviaçao claros estados unidenses
I also have two other videos I made in celebration of Santo's 100 aniversary. I made one about his baloons and also one of a model of Demoisele. You can see them if you click on more from this user. Me and my family currently live in Brasilia and I am originally from Curacao, Netherlands Antilles.
the Wright Brothers were flying 24 miles in 1905, a full year before Santos. They first flew 3 axis control machine with 1902 glider. So to be technical they were actually flying in 1902, a year before they built their first engine design. But by 1905 they were flying beautifully with an engine. If you don't like the Wrights in 1903, they still beat Santos Dumont in 1905. That's why the 100th anniversary was celebrated in 2003 with the Wrights, not 2006 with Santos.
cala a boca, tu não tem nem mesmo idéia do que o Flyer III era capaz de fazer. O argumento da catapulta usado pelos brasileiros é furado. Só nacionalista ufanista não aceita o óbvio.
@deepseadirt If you really want to know who was flying first wasn't neither the WB nor Dumont, there were a lot of inventors flying gliders and balloons before then both. But the point is that Dumont's invention was the first to take off, fly and land by it self with it's own self -propelled engine, so it was the first real airplane.
@Dasein512 yes there were several men experimenting with gliders and balloons up to the close of the 19th century. everything you said about Dumont is wrong. His 14bis was a piece of garbage and he soon abandoned it for the even worse 15bis which didn't leave the ground. 14bis hopped into the air uncontrolled and Santos was lucky he didnt kill himself in it. The Wrights by 1906 were flying controlled flights with a duration of over 30 minutes and hundreds saw these last flights of 1905.
A questão não é "quem foi o primeiro a voar". O primeiro a voar, de toda forma, foi um brasileiro, Bartolomeu de Gusmão, mas séculos antes do Dumont.
Dumont inventou o AVIÃO moderno. O modelo de avião que se utiliza até hoje para voar. Os Irmãos Wright usaram um planador e uma catapulta e chamaram aquilo de avião. Essa é a questão que os livros norte-americanos insistem em ignorar.
Tem filha da puta de Americano que ainda vem postar aqui!bando de imbecis que não sabem perder!única coisa que americano soube inventar foi porta-aviões! utilizaram a idéia dos Wrong Brother's! rss! de "CATAPULTAR" os aviões para fora haahahahahahahh!!!!!!!!!
As crianças do USA nem estudam o que foi o 11/09, o estudo dos USA é controlado pelo governo...
Claro que eles vão falar que foram os USA que inventaram, só que não dizem que eles precisavam de catapultas pra subir ouseja o avião dele somente flutuou no ar kkkkkkk...
Eles dizem que a Amazonia é deles, que os Wright foram os primeiros a voar, que não houve 11/9, kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk História dos USA é ridícula kkkkkkkkkkkkk.
Os franceses e os brasileiros consideram ele o primeiro homem a voar, aqueles irmãos dos USA fizeram um voô de galinha e o avião deles precisava de CATAPULTA para subir kkkkkkkkkkkkk e ainda so flutuaram no ar kkkkkkk...
Santo Dumont ao contrário construiu um avião que tivesse IMPULSÃO para subir e pousar e seu voô foi mostrado em toda PARIS, ele sim é o a voar, os USA são os primeiros a flutuar kkkkkkkkkkkk com a juda do vento kkkkkk
Forget about paper airplanes, the first neanderthal who threw a rock was the inventor of the airplane. And I bet he also had a dog as eyewitness to prove it. hahaha
that´s correct! wright brother did the same as Da Vinci. Dumont did the first, fully manuverable, flight based in a international standard also known as ARCHDEACON PRIZE, created specialy to test the invent of the wrigth brothers. Dumont won the prize. the brothes? they didn´t show their faces. I don´t believe that the wrigth brothers invented THE airplane, they invented some kind of airplane as many other peoples. The aircraft that we fly today is a Dumont´s achievement.
Dream-You keep posting your link to the video of the wind conditions. It is a know fact that the wind conditions on the 17th were 27 mph. The brothers sought this location for the wind. They felt that this would reduce their ground speed and lower their landing speed, ie, damage to machine. They also sought this location for sand. The brothers were safety conscience. Yes it was an independent flight. If you do the math, it all works out, the #12 airfoil could produce that much lift.
can you give me the link of a Flyer Replica that FLIES as well as the 14-BIS replicas?
What are the proof of the 1903 flights beyond a few eyewitnesses, all of them FRIENDS of the Wright Brothers. Cuz you know, I have a friend that witnesses my invention of a FTL Spacecraft Engine.
Sure I posted one. It flies as good as could be expected for the piloting skill required and the technology at the turn of the century. With more practice the flight distances and times increase. The main object of the 1903 flights was CONTROL, that was what made the Wright Brothers unique, it wasn't about power, like all of their contemporariness. I have yet to see a FULL replica of the 14 Bis fly, this is NOT one, this has modifications to the airframe and power plant.
rogerpenna, I disagree with you, you said "all the witnesses were friends of the Wright Brothers", that's incorrect, the 5 witnesses were 3 lifeguards, a little boy and a dog. The lifeguards and the boy were friends of the Wright Brothers, but the dog wasn't friend of the Wright Bros.
14bis! it is insuperável! Santos Dumont took off alone with the aid of only one small engine of 50 piston displacements! (without catapults! , or hen flights) e the Demoiselle that revolutionized the models that are used's until today! alive! Santos Dumont and is clearly Brazil!
Actually the monoplane design is attributed to George Cayley who came up with the concept in the 19th century. The original Demoiselle did not have wing warp until after Wilber public flights in 1908.
another problem with replica flying is that modern pilots ie airline pilots or retired commercial, have more knowledge than the pioneers. Modern pilots have to go through a process of 'DeLearning' much of what they know to fly primitive craft. DeLearning is part of the replica experience as well. Layman off the street could fly these airplanes with some instruction just like veteran experience airline pilots. In 14bis case it had no lateral control and a modern pilot is expecting lateral control
This is not a true replica, there is a modern power plant and structural modifications, I would like to see a complete replica fly, then we can talk about who did what. After his unsuccessful first attempt Dumont DOUBLED the horsepower, that was typical of most aviators at the time, trial and error. I guess if it didn't succeed he would have tripled it?
wasanr santos brasilian? i know that he lived in france but i almost sure he was from brasil, anyway i believe he invented it, not the so called "wright brother" lol
He was only a few years after the Wright Bros, and is a strong contender for the father of European aviation title (even if he was Brazilian). I don't think Clement Ader's flight claims hold much water though. Santos was probably third overall (after Orville and Wilbur). Having said that, if many French people think he was first, then perhaps we should consider the possibility, given that the French are not known for their arrogance.
Somente no EUA os irmãos Wrights São considerados os pais da aviação, porque lançaram uma coisa com uma catapulta três anos antes de Santos Dumont.
O Exército Americano vendo naquilo a possibilidade de se criar uma Arma injetou dinheiro e manteve segredo do resto do mundo.(Aliás os americanos só pensam em armas)
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Brazilian dictators from the past prevented the free flow of information in the educational system to that country alerting of the work of the Wright Brothers & other experimenters. So everything Santos did was taught as first. Im sure Santos himself would agree to implement the facts. I love Santos he was a great pioneer and there were others such as Bunau-Varilla, Braniff etc. Bet you never heard of them. But Santos DID NOT invent the airplane.
Neither did the Writers bros... in 19th century, there were cases of biplane controlled flights on russia... SO what? the big merit of santos dumont was been able to take off and landing alone. Writers bros coudln´t do that.
shinjiemisato-No, there were no cases of powered biplane controlled flights in the 19th century name one? The big merit of Dumont was relative, people didn't really understand what controlled flying was in 1906 except the Wrights, it was still about horse power. That all changed in 1908. In October of 1905 Wilbur Wright flew 25 miles at an altitude of 100 feet. A year later you have Dumont flying 200 ft at an altitude of 10 ft. It is ridiculous to even compare.
No one ever saw the Wright Brothers fly their machine. Even when they went to France they did not fly their machine there saying that they wanted to actually be paid to show people to fly it but no one was interested in paying them anything because Santos-Dumont flew before them.
Only in America, Wright brothers is considered the first in flyght. THE WHOLE WORLD SAYS DIFFERENT. go to France, Champs Elisees, there is a thanks note to Santos Dumont - FIRST MAN to fly sommeting havier than air... yeah, it`s hard to accept "a south american" to be the real thing.
ges-I doubt you even understand the basics of flight. Perhaps you go to a local library and read about what the Wrights contributed. I find nothing hard to accept, I just don't like people using false nationalism to change history. It is interesting to note how EVERYONE changed the way they flew once the Wrights showed them how. It is also amazing how no one could CIRCLE, but the Wrights in 1904. How do you explain this? It wasn't about just flying it was about CONTROL.
No you are wrong, first is about take off ground than make circles than cross the atlantic. Santos was the first one to take off ground...let me ask you something did you learn how to run before you eve craw? no right? so than that explain what is important first in order to achieve the goal, so santos is THE FATHER OF AVIATION and I'm AMRERICAN!!!!
Santos & the other Frenchmen owed everything to the Wright Brothers by way of the aged Octave Chanute. Let's trace the events. In 1903 Santos was famous for flying dirigibles, a different technology from airplanes. By 1906 he, with the help of Gabriel Voisin, all of a sudden entered into flying
whts the first plane called?\
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ThomasBR1983 3 weeks ago
I would like to know where the original 14 bis is currently housed. Does it still exist? I can't find any information about this subject anywhere.
gunnersmatecpo 5 months ago
The GREAT SANTOS-DUMONT. He really did fly a real flying machine. The Wright Brothers had a simple glider (very simple made). Santos-Dumont the first man to fly. Brazil yes!
DREDBDASILVA 6 months ago
The pilot must have nerves of steel! What a beautiful little craft. It's much more organic than anything. Kudos to everyone involved in building and maintaining the replica.
kittybirg 7 months ago
Wright's Plane needed a Catpult and it did more jumping then flying!
jasincl 7 months ago
One thing is AIRPLANE, other is PLANATOR. The really AIRPLANE is 14 Bis. The first flying with YOURSELF power.
jeptan1 9 months ago
Braaaaaasil <3 ¨!¨!
GamerProMr1 10 months ago
Braaaaaasil <3
GamerProMr1 10 months ago
The history will thell the truth. Dumont will be recognize. I am not American or Brazilian.But I am tired of those people of that Country that believe dont have name, because North America is a name of a Continente. (You guys dont have criativity or imagination believe to choose a Country name) Fly? Yeah, with a big spoon, hidding on somebodies back yard. ....RSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRS....Grow up who belive on that crap? Just you guys nameless Country....
arajakurzeme 11 months ago
The history will give to Santos the respect he deserves.I am not American. You guys dont have a name for your Country, because North America is name of a Continent. The Brothers failled when they didnt fallow the rules.Dumont was the only one to take off and landed with own power.Without cattapult.That was the first rule of International Aeronautique Federation. Santos show the world his invention.The brothers hidded from the world.It is so embaressed to the future generations of USA rsrs...
arajakurzeme 11 months ago
I'm thinking how you can take off a C-130 Hercules with a catapult. FAIL. Dumont invented a REAL and COMPLETE airplane, like anyother modern plane, and Wright invented a tree with wings.
WarIsNoMoreCold 1 year ago
That is why nobody knows Alberto Santos Dumont in America
Verdelufe 1 year ago
Do you accept comment favoring only Wright Brothers? Are you bias?
Verdelufe 1 year ago
Hello !!!
Verdelufe 1 year ago
Santos Dumont x Wright Brothers Differences:
Sand dunes going down flight , Catapult for impulse & no wheels under the plane, funny but they used to work repairing bicycles, everybody was flying 2008 to 2009 without the help of these devices but Wrights did not improved at all.
Replicas after 100y. without a doubt 14Bis & Demoiselle dominated. Demoiselle design is what we see until these days. But if you ask most the people in America
about Dumont nobody knows, the media kills any intruder.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
Oops, too bad it crash landed and broke. The first stall ever!
easyeagle2 1 year ago
@easyeagle2 If these plane made by borthers wright was SOOO good as you said, why did the americans brought hundreds of FRENCH PLANES?
Damit, you americans think that you guys rule everthing, brothers wright made a GLIDER, Dumont a PLANE.
Brazil and France made the Sky a piece of cake to control. If brothers wright model was accepted in the world, the aviation would be 20 years in the pass.
jotathenoble 3 months ago
that was fuckin AWSOME
gymboy19 1 year ago
Essa briga entre Dumont e os Wright acaba bem aqui: "Os Wrights nao tem prova de que voaram"... é muito simples!
This fight Dumont vs. Wright ends right here: "The Wrights dont have proof that they actually flew"... very simple!
no proof ! no rights ! (hahahahaha)
erro404 1 year ago
.......and the first canard too....
vitorbiondi 1 year ago
Santos Dumont controlled his flying machine before a multitude of Parisians at the Bagatelle Park in 1906.
On the other hand the Wright Brothers couldn't count on as many observers as they wanted to give weight on their catapulting experiment but a bunch of frightened cows feeding on the pasture.
Hurray Mr Dumont!!!!!!!
JulesRimet1 1 year ago
Haha CATAPULT. Hey just an FYI, if the catapult thing discredits the Wright Bro., just know that they didn't use the catapult in 1905 on several occasions. So even without it they flew before Dumont.
cactusjuba 1 year ago
So I guess airplanes on aircraft carriers are rocks because they use the same thing the Wright Brothers did, rail and catapult
cactusjuba 1 year ago
I would consider Wright Brothers flight even by catapult take off if it was witnessed by numerous people.
Thats how world record or invention race is made.
What if .... I tell you all now that I' went to Mars last week. Therefore I'm the first man. Put my name into history!
ZagaiaX 1 year ago
@RocknSkate4789 Did the first astronauts launch by them selfs? NOOO I guess manned space flight hasn't been invented yet
EmperorOfMars 1 year ago
Realmente, eles foram CATAPULTADOS para a órbita da Terra.
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merijevons 1 year ago
@EmperorOfMars space ship is different of a airplane. oh, sorry, you are american, right? americans are always right. hahahaha
papuette 1 year ago
@EmperorOfMars the american trip to the moon was fake, and everyone knows that, and also knows the first wright brother's plane was a joke. accept that, will be better for you. hahahahaha
papuette 11 months ago
Santos Dummont also invented the wristwatch. He has numerous patents. Very creative man.
lialammas 1 year ago 4
@lialammas, He also kind of started off the home-built aircraft movement when he published the plans to his Demoiselle in Popular Mechanics. Not to mention his pioneering lighter than air craft.
dowekeller 8 months ago
The Wright brothers simply catapulted themselves in the air, there was no engine propelled take off, let's see you actually put any plane in the air just w/ a catapult. Santos Dummont's 14 Bis flights in France ARE the legitimate predecessors to the modern planes-not the Wrights sling-shot contraption, but since some people always want to be 'pioneers'@ , even if the Wrights had jumped off a building, only to glide for 2 seconds and crash, wannabes would be quick to say: We did it first!
egyptianminor 1 year ago 3
@egyptianminor lol, another butthurt Brasileiro 1-they didn't use their catapult in 1903 2- catapult=\= slingshot 3- their planes flew higher, longer and had way more control than Dumonts ever did 4-Navy pilots take off with a catapult assist from aircraft carriers- you gonna tell me those aren't real planes? 5- moved to France at 17 none the the flights in question occurred in Brasil 6- Dumont loved media attention much more than the Wright did. Typical emotional irrational Brasilian reaction.
asswipe777 1 year ago
i like the wright flyer better because i can fly it in Flight Simulator. :)
matseracer 1 year ago
@matseracer You like the Wright Brothers plane because you can fly it in Flight Simulator, powerful media very bias why did not put a Demoiselle to be fair and balance in the game. Americans have been brain washed from the begining. After 100 years none of Wrights Replicas barely could take off, Santos Dumont Replicas of 14-Bis
and Demoiselle all of them could fly. Conclusion : only the Brothers could fly their own plane.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
A farsa criada pelo smithsonian, é algo desnecessário ao planeta, pois hoje torna-se obvio que Santos Dumont sempre o primeiro a alçar voô com um verdaddeiro avião, mas os white concertavam boas bicicletas também!
jpff1970 1 year ago
Eu quer ver os americanos repetirem isso com o avião dos brothers white nos tempos modernos assim como aconteceu a mais de 100 anos atraz.
s2mendonca 1 year ago
@s2mendonca boa.!! kkk eu pensei nisso tambem..!!!
celiorama 1 year ago
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@s2mendonca boa..!! rsrs eu pensei nisso tambem.!!
celiorama 1 year ago
foi muito engraçado aquela cena da réplica dos irmãos Wrights não ter voado na frente do JoHN TRAVOLTA e G.BUSH no suposto aniversario de "100" anos do primeiro vôo ahauhauhauhauahuahauhau
diogoclinger1 1 year ago
I like how the wings are set up so it can get a good lift on takeoff.
3624nathan 1 year ago
wright's plane needed a catapult to take off...
sorry but americans failed.
anozawa 2 years ago 30
Now your just splitting hairs.
EmperorOfMars 2 years ago
@anozawa birds need to jump so they can fly...
sorry but mother nature failed?
matseracer 1 year ago
@matseracer we are talking about planes, not birds taking off....
paravidinopatrick 1 year ago
@anozawa (sigh) Yet again it has to be repeated and is easily checked. The Wrights first flights on Dec 17 03 were accomplished without a catapult. The fourth flight was 59 seconds and fully controlled in all three axes. This far outstripped any performance by the Dumont aircraft. The catapult was a later refinement and in any case makes no differece to a powered controlled and sustained flight of such duration.
spitfireJEJ 1 year ago
@anozawa So I guess airplanes on aircraft carriers are rocks because they use the same thing the Wright Brothers did, rail and catapult. Catapult and rail, very smart at reducing takeoff roll, especially on sandy North Carolina beaches.
cactusjuba 1 year ago
@anozawa , aircraft carriers use catapults to launch their advance jets in the air by using less runway length, so my friend, the wright brothers where ahead of their time by catapulting their aircraft.
matatan69 1 year ago
@anozawa sorry, but they succeeded. look at the record books.
taterfamine 4 months ago
@taterfamine Only americans remember Wright brothers... All world see Santos Dummont like the inventor of airplane!
yurimnds1 4 months ago
@taterfamine Sorry, but he did better, look at the records.
jotathenoble 3 months ago
santos dumont invented the airplane
the americans invented the Rock and Roll
I love Kiss and Van Halen
vitorgiba 2 years ago 5
That has a propeller, The original 14 bis did not. It had angled paddles...
usbiker133t 2 years ago
Very nice, that plane performed a lot better than the replica of the 1903 Wright Flyer did at it's 100th anniversay, even though it did kind of crash at the end there.
sdcharle 2 years ago 9
The organizers wanted to fly the bis14 on the national mall. The rotors caused by the wind in between the buildings made it difficult to execute a 100% controlled landing. So instead, the pilot made a deliberate hard landing which broke the two main wing spars. She flew again the following week at a different air show.
hpjacobs 2 years ago
thats cus wright brothers invented a glider and not an airplane...
no surprise there...
erro404 2 years ago
im not an american but am a long time aviation and aeronautical enhusiast and as an unbiased observer to this ridiculous argument, there can be no doubt whatsoever that the Wrights were first. Even if it were debatable, DuMont was not the counter claim to the title. And yes, the catapult excuse IS absurd. powered, controlled, sustained flight. if someone had achieved it by dropping off a building then they wouldve been the first. the launch is completely irrelevant.
rcaddict72 2 years ago
I am with you on that one. Who cares. The fact that we are flying is enough for me.
hpjacobs 2 years ago
Tanks for comentary my friend!!
byo281271 2 years ago
@hpjacobs Of course you dont care because Santos wasn't from your family. I want see if you will have the same opinion if he was your grandfather. He was the first man to fly without a spoon. And he deserve respect .Thanks...
arajakurzeme 11 months ago
@arajakurzeme Oh but you are wrong. I am a part of his family. I belong to a very special part of his family. The family that enjoys flying and is part of a very special group of people. I respect Santos so much that I made this video for him, for me and even for you. What I do not respect are people vying for attention in fighting for who is right and who is wrong. If you are frustrated either go fishing or go flying, or both at the same time. Take an amphibian airplane and catch some bass.
hpjacobs 8 months ago
@rcaddict72 Not only how the plane was launched is not irrelevant, IT IS THE MAIN POINT! Because if you do not consider it, then neither Dumont or the WB were the first, there were many pioneers before who flew on gliders, balloons or both. Dumont is the first in flight because it was the first time an airplane took off and landed SELF propelled with it's own engine. Not to mention it was done in front of a bunch of people in a official setting, not in a farm in Ohio in front of cows.
Dasein512 1 year ago 5
@Dasein512 Do check your facts before entering such drivel.
spitfireJEJ 1 year ago
@Dasein512
if so, then Dumont was also not the first, because all his "plane" could do was fly in a straight line. The Flyer III was much more of an airplane, since it could do BANKS, TURN, do "8" in the air, etc, etc.
rogerpenna 1 year ago
@rcaddict72 The 14 bis could take off just like our airplanes can. 14 bis was TRULLY the 1st one for sure!!!
The Wrights used catapults and thats NOT an absurd. anything can fly with a catapult.... even stones can! Dumont IS the father of aviation..... if u trully are an aviator, u should know that.
paravidinopatrick 1 year ago
@rcaddict72 theres no doubt that you have shit in your head.... even in 2003 flyer replica made by US government couldnt fly... pffff... George W Bush was like: "oh crap were fucked!".... kkkkkkkk
erro404 1 year ago
O vôo teve pouquíssimas testemunhas, o engenho "só funcionava em condições adequadas", (como o "centenário" demonstrou), aquilo não era um avião, visto que não era autopropelido, não era controlável e tampouco se mantinha por conta própria no ar. Se V.S. considera isso um avião, então creditemos isso a Abbas ibn Firnas, cujo engenho era, pelo menos, controlável, ou Otto Lillenthal, que ao menos, voava. Creditar coisa alguma aos irmãos Wright é simplesmente patético.
merijevons 1 year ago
@rcaddict72
14-Biz was the real thing, the Wright's was a prototipe that could not
do it alone...
The Wright advocates says that they were the 'first to fly', but there was already flying Baloons on that age ....14 Biz was the first aircraft to take off an land, and flying was not Wrights creation
ThomasBR1983 3 weeks ago
@ThomasBR1983
How many km/miles of catapult was needed to the Wright plane fly from USA to Paris? 100miles (and a perfect angle or death)? Do you see? Is it an aircraft or a prototipe?
For me its clear: S. Dumont CREATED the first AIRCRAFT
We can name Wrights invent the first 'hang-glider' not plane?
ThomasBR1983 3 weeks ago
Too bad the Wrights were FIRST.
lucabrasi1337 2 years ago
Lets stop talking about the catapult.The idea was to fly and stay on the air.The brothers were the first in 1903.Lets compare to a car.The Brothers car did not have a starter,it was pushed.Dumonts car had a starter,but guess what,they acomplished the same thing,both cars were running at the end.The catapult excuse is an absurd.
mateus2001 2 years ago
The story of the Wright brothers as the investors of the airplane is one of those big lies in history. It is just another attempt by Americans to claim everything for themselves. Santos Dumont's airplane took off by itself; it did not need a catapult.
WAYTOPLUTO 2 years ago
The Wrights did not have a catapult for the first flights. They simply used a trolley and the plane took off entirely under its own power. The catapult was a later refinement. Check your facts before denigrating them.
spitfireJEJ 2 years ago
As spitfire mentioned and I will also, the catapult was necessary for the type of application the machine was being used for. It was necessary at Simms for the confined space and shifting wind. I think that it is ingenious-modern aircraft carriers use this technology. Answer this honestly; Could Dumont 14 bis TURN IN A CIRCLE in 1906?
warp13 2 years ago
thats what i want to know also..it seems that even this incarnation of the Bis cant do that. and im sure that this is not a true replica.
rcaddict72 2 years ago
A questão não é "quem foi o primeiro a voar". O primeiro a voar, de toda forma, também foi brasileiro, Bartolomeu de Gusmão, inventor do balão.
Dumont inventou o AVIÃO, o avião moderno. O modelo de aeronave que se usa até hoje. Os irmãos Wright usaram um PLANADOR e uma CATAPULTA e chamaram isso de avião.
rafaelsouzasp79 2 years ago
Have you thought about a boing 747 being hurled by a catapult.
ocourt 2 years ago
ocourt-No but I have thought about the fact that Dumont COULD NOT TURN IN A CIRCLE in 1906.
warp13 2 years ago
Just read the french news papers of the day....DeLaGrange, one of the leading French aviators, on seeing the Wright Flyer at LeMans in 1908 explained: We are beaten.
ab330 2 years ago
sorry it might be the first airplane but not the first buoyant one
NEEDCARS 2 years ago
The american government only recognized the wright brothers in the 1940s after a judicial agreement with oliver in exchange for the kitty hawk for the simithosian. There are no credible witnesses of a wright flight before 1906, they flew only in 1908. The american government attempted to verify the claim, but the wright brothers backed off wanting money upfront. After 1906, flying their clunker killed an american officer and almost Wilbur. Dumont also made the first commercial plane: demoissele
xanapoli 2 years ago 2
O governo americano só reconheceu que os Irmãos Wrights voaram primeiro após acordo judicial com Oliver dando em troca a replica do Kitty Hawk. TODOS voos anteriores a Santos Dumont foram sem testemunhas qualificadas. O governo americano tentou verificar os supostos voos mas Oliver queria receber dinheiro adiantato para mostrar o invento. Oliver não manjava nada, apenas Wilbur. Dumont ainda inventou o primeiro aviao totalmente funcional:demosseile. .
xanapoli 2 years ago 3
Santos Dumont is the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mrwagon 2 years ago 3
the replica is made with the same materials used in original ,the frame is made with bamboo except the engine ,but is the same power!
mrwagon 2 years ago
I can easily take a picture from me now flying in an airbus and say that the picture is from 1900`s and that I invented the airplane!
what`s that prove?
fihsell 2 years ago
I remember seeing a replica of this plane at EAA in 2006 in the Embrear tent. I don't know if it was this exact plane, but I would loved to see it get up!
jpatt1000 2 years ago
Neither Brasilian nor American, my studies concluded that the story of Santos Dumont was purposely overlooked in the Anglo-American world. Aside, my opinion Dumont flew first. As South America emerges from the shadow of North America, these cultures are beginning to rightly celebrate and such celebrations will rightly continue, being long ovredue. Startling new evidence suggests that manned flight may have been possible by earlier civilisations, would anyone like to know? Daithi O Beagain.
OBeagain 2 years ago
hi, if not go Santos Dumont and the broters americans, who go, i from Brasil, and i want know. Pleas.
Amaranteification 2 years ago
what you can do is find out a little of our history
being Brazilian is a lesson in life serti people as the Americans only want to dominate
and see that Santos Dumont died of grief at seeing his invention being used to kill in this war was the reason for his death
jaktkkilla 2 years ago
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what you can do is find out a little of our history
being Brazilian is a lesson in life serti people as the Americans only want to dominate
and see that Santos Dumont died of grief at seeing his invention being used to kill in this war was the reason for his death
Brazilian human being is not as vcs be Brazilian is to be happy
jaktkkilla 2 years ago
Que adianta dizer que esses irmãos rato voaram,se nao podem provar? Dumont foi visto por toda Paris!!
CYBERRD58 2 years ago
piff, irmãos wright é uma farsa, nao tinha nem uma testemunha ocular, exceto um moleke...e crianças inbocentes do jeito que são, o treco deve ter sobio 2 cm e eles falaram que voou
ToliniDan 2 years ago
hahaha, até hoje um 14- bis voa se for construído da mesma forma, já o "flyer" dos irmãos Wright só voou uma vez, e se voou, construíram um igual em 2003 e aquela "catapulta" não saiu do chão.
lacetcavalcanti 2 years ago
Much of the controversy about Santos Dumont and the Wrights arose from the difference in their approaches to publicity. Santos Dumont made his flights in public, often accompanied by the scientific elite of the time, then gathered in Paris. In contrast, the Wright Brothers were very concerned about protecting what they considered their trade secrets for patentability, a History is history and definitely Santos Dumont is the father of aviation as he make a control flight.
ladavila 2 years ago 3
Dumont was mainly a balloon pilot and rich kid of coffee plantation owners. His hobby finally included real flight 3 years after the Wright Bros.
jrlueken 2 years ago
well the wright brothers:
1 Launched the plane form a catapult
2 Refused to show their plane to french authorities
3 There is really no proof that they really flied in 1903
4 The replica of the Flyer didnt fly even with the cost of 1.2 milion dollars
5 Experts organized studies and proved that the flyer will neve fly with its weight and a 1.2hp engine
6 If you look for how must be an air plane, you will see that the flyer doesnt fit it.
Comptons1989 2 years ago
It would be nice if you guys did a little research. The Wright Flyer of 1903 did NOT launch from a catapult. Their later aircraft did because they were flying close to home and they did not have the steady wind in Dayton Ohio that they did in NC. Their original engine produced 12 HP. They calculated that they needed 8 HP to fly. There were several sworn eyewitnesses to their flight in 1903 and photographs of the event. What other proof is needed?
479731 2 years ago
Where is the proof?
CYBERRD58 2 years ago
Too bad Dumont 'Invented' flight more tha THREE YEARS after the Wright Bros. flew at Kitty Hawk in 1903 !
jrlueken 2 years ago
Really, that's the first airplane flight by engine.
stromit 2 years ago
i wanna flyyyyyyyyyy :(
kattterina 2 years ago
You are feeling that feeling of freedom. I had it since very young and always look up at the sky and admired the birds in flight. Find a way to get to a regional airport and enroll in a private pilots course. I did and never regretted it after 27 years of flying.
hpjacobs 2 years ago
Who is the father of aviation?
SANTOS DUMONT
Sorry americans...
gigiobnbh 2 years ago 4
Especialistas em engenharia aeronáutica dizem que mesmo com a tecnologia atual, seria impossível decolar com um avião motorizado com 12 Hp. O Flyer pesava, segundo os próprios Wright, 340 kg. E mesmo gastando no projeto 1,2 milhões de dólares, a réplica do Flyer não voou MESMO!
Enquanto isso vemos as réplicas do 14-BIS e do Demoiselle voando maravilhosamente.
"Uma mentira dita mil vezes, torna-se uma verdade". - Joseph Goebbels, ministro da propaganda de Adolf Hitler.
joselucasdenada2008 2 years ago 2
Falsifying history is fun!
mackdan7 2 years ago
Yes! The americans (from US) are specialists in this matter...
anonymousvidlover 2 years ago 2
The Wright brothers win. The title of this video fails.
mackdan7 2 years ago
Santos Dumont,realmente o verdadeiro e eterno pai da aviação.
fernal2007 2 years ago 4
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Too bad the Wright brothers flew in 1903 an aircraft, controllable around all three axis, off a wooden track, under its own power. They did not use a catapult til 1905. All you idiots are as bad as the French.
comanderkol 2 years ago
e viva Santos Dumont grande brasileiro sem duvidas nenhuma ate mesmo pela documentaçao O brasileiro Dumont é o pai da aviaçao claros estados unidenses
DanielNuciatelli 2 years ago
Incredible video.
Absolutely amazing!!
mammothmouse1959 3 years ago
I am happy you liked it. BTW are you Dutch ? Ik ben ook een Nederlander.
hpjacobs 3 years ago
Must have been incredible to fly this apparatus and to witness the flight.
And yes, I am dutch.
mammothmouse1959 3 years ago
I also have two other videos I made in celebration of Santo's 100 aniversary. I made one about his baloons and also one of a model of Demoisele. You can see them if you click on more from this user. Me and my family currently live in Brasilia and I am originally from Curacao, Netherlands Antilles.
hpjacobs 3 years ago
U have been in Holland? Nice, I live in Germany but am Brazilian like u I guess. BTW nice video.
xxSanjoxx 2 years ago
Wright = First to plane
Dumont = First to fly
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Wright = primeiros a planarem
Dumont = primeiro a voar
Infelizmente os babacas americanos não reconhecem ou fazem vista grossa.
amawtaa 3 years ago
the Wright Brothers were flying 24 miles in 1905, a full year before Santos. They first flew 3 axis control machine with 1902 glider. So to be technical they were actually flying in 1902, a year before they built their first engine design. But by 1905 they were flying beautifully with an engine. If you don't like the Wrights in 1903, they still beat Santos Dumont in 1905. That's why the 100th anniversary was celebrated in 2003 with the Wrights, not 2006 with Santos.
deepseadirt 2 years ago
WITH CATAPULTS, THE STONES FLY!
ministeriodadefesa 2 years ago 25
@ministeriodadefesa So I guess airplanes on aircraft carriers are rocks because they use the same thing the Wright Brothers did, rail and catapult
cactusjuba 1 year ago
@ministeriodadefesa or even a pieces of shit, right? hehehe
papuette 1 year ago
@ministeriodadefesa
cala a boca, tu não tem nem mesmo idéia do que o Flyer III era capaz de fazer. O argumento da catapulta usado pelos brasileiros é furado. Só nacionalista ufanista não aceita o óbvio.
rogerpenna 1 year ago
@deepseadirt If you really want to know who was flying first wasn't neither the WB nor Dumont, there were a lot of inventors flying gliders and balloons before then both. But the point is that Dumont's invention was the first to take off, fly and land by it self with it's own self -propelled engine, so it was the first real airplane.
Dasein512 1 year ago 11
@Dasein512 smart guy!
erro404 1 year ago
@Dasein512 yes there were several men experimenting with gliders and balloons up to the close of the 19th century. everything you said about Dumont is wrong. His 14bis was a piece of garbage and he soon abandoned it for the even worse 15bis which didn't leave the ground. 14bis hopped into the air uncontrolled and Santos was lucky he didnt kill himself in it. The Wrights by 1906 were flying controlled flights with a duration of over 30 minutes and hundreds saw these last flights of 1905.
deepseadirt1 5 months ago
os americanos realmente foram os primeiros a voar, mas o avião do santos era mais eficiente, e não precisava de uma catapulta.
racionador 3 years ago
A questão não é "quem foi o primeiro a voar". O primeiro a voar, de toda forma, foi um brasileiro, Bartolomeu de Gusmão, mas séculos antes do Dumont.
Dumont inventou o AVIÃO moderno. O modelo de avião que se utiliza até hoje para voar. Os Irmãos Wright usaram um planador e uma catapulta e chamaram aquilo de avião. Essa é a questão que os livros norte-americanos insistem em ignorar.
rafaelsouzasp79 2 years ago
Parabens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
juarezrj2 3 years ago
Esse vídeo mostra apenas um dos irmãos Wright voando... onde estará o outro?
am4d3u 3 years ago
além do mais ele inventou relogio de pulso.
scarzinh 3 years ago
E o hangar tbm! a invenção do hangar foi atribuida ao nosso ilustre
sulfidrico 3 years ago
onde e isso ?
lowisao 3 years ago
sensacional o pai da aviação ,Estadunidenses otarios voar com impulso de de catapulta ae fica facil até eu voô desse geito...
Edison26Alves 3 years ago
Viva! Santos Dumont!!!
mrwagon 3 years ago
chiken fly= 0 :(
Santos Dumont = 10 or 100 :)
mrwagon 3 years ago
Tem filha da puta de Americano que ainda vem postar aqui!bando de imbecis que não sabem perder!única coisa que americano soube inventar foi porta-aviões! utilizaram a idéia dos Wrong Brother's! rss! de "CATAPULTAR" os aviões para fora haahahahahahahh!!!!!!!!!
mrwagon 3 years ago
As crianças do USA nem estudam o que foi o 11/09, o estudo dos USA é controlado pelo governo...
Claro que eles vão falar que foram os USA que inventaram, só que não dizem que eles precisavam de catapultas pra subir ouseja o avião dele somente flutuou no ar kkkkkkk...
Eles dizem que a Amazonia é deles, que os Wright foram os primeiros a voar, que não houve 11/9, kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk História dos USA é ridícula kkkkkkkkkkkkk.
Nyuskyline 3 years ago
Os franceses e os brasileiros consideram ele o primeiro homem a voar, aqueles irmãos dos USA fizeram um voô de galinha e o avião deles precisava de CATAPULTA para subir kkkkkkkkkkkkk e ainda so flutuaram no ar kkkkkkk...
Santo Dumont ao contrário construiu um avião que tivesse IMPULSÃO para subir e pousar e seu voô foi mostrado em toda PARIS, ele sim é o a voar, os USA são os primeiros a flutuar kkkkkkkkkkkk com a juda do vento kkkkkk
Nyuskyline 3 years ago 2
é incrivel como os americanos não sabem perder..
BRAZILIAN INVENT!
jamiroquai14 3 years ago 2
SANTOS DUMONT: The father of aviation (or O PAI DA AVIAÇÃO) !!!
dowuser 3 years ago
Forget about paper airplanes, the first neanderthal who threw a rock was the inventor of the airplane. And I bet he also had a dog as eyewitness to prove it. hahaha
abraodv 3 years ago
My hand catapults my paper airplane.
"Plane" with catapult?
Maybe yes.
But Wright's object is not an aircraft.
Dumont's does.
tarcazanfa 3 years ago 3
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The only THING of importance that Brazil ever produced was Carmen Miranda...
Oh, wait...
She was from Portugal.
Didn't Dumont "check-out" because the Wright's were FIRST!?!
charared1 3 years ago
Not true, and unecessary. There´s no need to offend.
abraodv 3 years ago 3
Actually no. Santos DuMont committed suicide after he saw his invention being utilized to kill humans during WW1.
hpjacobs 3 years ago
wright's weren't first,the wright's airplane "flyed"just 51 (i think) secs. and Dumont's airplane really flyed....don't be a bad loser =D
SuPaHL33tKiLAH 3 years ago
Actually, instead of inventing baseball Abner Doubleday invented the airplane, but Edison stole the idea and made a fortune....
gridjid 3 years ago
that´s correct! wright brother did the same as Da Vinci. Dumont did the first, fully manuverable, flight based in a international standard also known as ARCHDEACON PRIZE, created specialy to test the invent of the wrigth brothers. Dumont won the prize. the brothes? they didn´t show their faces. I don´t believe that the wrigth brothers invented THE airplane, they invented some kind of airplane as many other peoples. The aircraft that we fly today is a Dumont´s achievement.
rasprot 3 years ago 3
Here's a video that shows what sort of wind conditions and heights you find at the Kitty Hawk dunes:
watch?v=PzVw_TTnSrQ
Ther is no way that was an independent flight.
DreamOfTurtles 3 years ago
Dream-You keep posting your link to the video of the wind conditions. It is a know fact that the wind conditions on the 17th were 27 mph. The brothers sought this location for the wind. They felt that this would reduce their ground speed and lower their landing speed, ie, damage to machine. They also sought this location for sand. The brothers were safety conscience. Yes it was an independent flight. If you do the math, it all works out, the #12 airfoil could produce that much lift.
warp13 3 years ago
can you give me the link of a Flyer Replica that FLIES as well as the 14-BIS replicas?
What are the proof of the 1903 flights beyond a few eyewitnesses, all of them FRIENDS of the Wright Brothers. Cuz you know, I have a friend that witnesses my invention of a FTL Spacecraft Engine.
rogerpenna 3 years ago
Sure I posted one. It flies as good as could be expected for the piloting skill required and the technology at the turn of the century. With more practice the flight distances and times increase. The main object of the 1903 flights was CONTROL, that was what made the Wright Brothers unique, it wasn't about power, like all of their contemporariness. I have yet to see a FULL replica of the 14 Bis fly, this is NOT one, this has modifications to the airframe and power plant.
warp13 3 years ago
rogerpenna, I disagree with you, you said "all the witnesses were friends of the Wright Brothers", that's incorrect, the 5 witnesses were 3 lifeguards, a little boy and a dog. The lifeguards and the boy were friends of the Wright Brothers, but the dog wasn't friend of the Wright Bros.
vlatu 3 years ago
14bis! it is insuperável! Santos Dumont took off alone with the aid of only one small engine of 50 piston displacements! (without catapults! , or hen flights) e the Demoiselle that revolutionized the models that are used's until today! alive! Santos Dumont and is clearly Brazil!
mrwagon 3 years ago
Actually the monoplane design is attributed to George Cayley who came up with the concept in the 19th century. The original Demoiselle did not have wing warp until after Wilber public flights in 1908.
warp13 3 years ago
Perfeita a combinação da música.
DjBian 3 years ago
another problem with replica flying is that modern pilots ie airline pilots or retired commercial, have more knowledge than the pioneers. Modern pilots have to go through a process of 'DeLearning' much of what they know to fly primitive craft. DeLearning is part of the replica experience as well. Layman off the street could fly these airplanes with some instruction just like veteran experience airline pilots. In 14bis case it had no lateral control and a modern pilot is expecting lateral control
deepseadirt 3 years ago
This is not a true replica, there is a modern power plant and structural modifications, I would like to see a complete replica fly, then we can talk about who did what. After his unsuccessful first attempt Dumont DOUBLED the horsepower, that was typical of most aviators at the time, trial and error. I guess if it didn't succeed he would have tripled it?
warp13 3 years ago
Santos was fortunate he didn't kill himself in 14bis with no control. It's good he abandoned it at the end of 1906.
deepseadirt 3 years ago
...Hmmm... The landing was too violent for this nice flying machine...
Anywayz! It can fly pretty well...
sukyake 3 years ago
wasanr santos brasilian? i know that he lived in france but i almost sure he was from brasil, anyway i believe he invented it, not the so called "wright brother" lol
NuclearActiveGuy 4 years ago 2
He was only a few years after the Wright Bros, and is a strong contender for the father of European aviation title (even if he was Brazilian). I don't think Clement Ader's flight claims hold much water though. Santos was probably third overall (after Orville and Wilbur). Having said that, if many French people think he was first, then perhaps we should consider the possibility, given that the French are not known for their arrogance.
Phardel 4 years ago
Hello Phardel. I am still waiting the prove. Show me the F-LIER 1903 Replica flying.
flyer1lyer 3 years ago
Somente no EUA os irmãos Wrights São considerados os pais da aviação, porque lançaram uma coisa com uma catapulta três anos antes de Santos Dumont.
O Exército Americano vendo naquilo a possibilidade de se criar uma Arma injetou dinheiro e manteve segredo do resto do mundo.(Aliás os americanos só pensam em armas)
walmatoso 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Brazilian dictators from the past prevented the free flow of information in the educational system to that country alerting of the work of the Wright Brothers & other experimenters. So everything Santos did was taught as first. Im sure Santos himself would agree to implement the facts. I love Santos he was a great pioneer and there were others such as Bunau-Varilla, Braniff etc. Bet you never heard of them. But Santos DID NOT invent the airplane.
deepseadirt 4 years ago
This hystory about dictators is a joke! Please be serious!
flyer1lyer 3 years ago 2
Neither did the Writers bros... in 19th century, there were cases of biplane controlled flights on russia... SO what? the big merit of santos dumont was been able to take off and landing alone. Writers bros coudln´t do that.
shinjiemisato 3 years ago 6
shinjiemisato-No, there were no cases of powered biplane controlled flights in the 19th century name one? The big merit of Dumont was relative, people didn't really understand what controlled flying was in 1906 except the Wrights, it was still about horse power. That all changed in 1908. In October of 1905 Wilbur Wright flew 25 miles at an altitude of 100 feet. A year later you have Dumont flying 200 ft at an altitude of 10 ft. It is ridiculous to even compare.
warp13 3 years ago
if you keep think that way... whoever fly hight and fast have the merit/???????? you know what... open a history book and read (if you can)
btsdani 3 years ago
The TRUTH is......
No one ever saw the Wright Brothers fly their machine. Even when they went to France they did not fly their machine there saying that they wanted to actually be paid to show people to fly it but no one was interested in paying them anything because Santos-Dumont flew before them.
marceloribasusa 4 years ago
Only in America, Wright brothers is considered the first in flyght. THE WHOLE WORLD SAYS DIFFERENT. go to France, Champs Elisees, there is a thanks note to Santos Dumont - FIRST MAN to fly sommeting havier than air... yeah, it`s hard to accept "a south american" to be the real thing.
gesomamasodonves 4 years ago
ges-I doubt you even understand the basics of flight. Perhaps you go to a local library and read about what the Wrights contributed. I find nothing hard to accept, I just don't like people using false nationalism to change history. It is interesting to note how EVERYONE changed the way they flew once the Wrights showed them how. It is also amazing how no one could CIRCLE, but the Wrights in 1904. How do you explain this? It wasn't about just flying it was about CONTROL.
warp13 4 years ago
lol im in the airforce, and i dont agree the wright brothers invented it, half my company thinks it was Santos Dumont
NuclearActiveGuy 4 years ago 4
No you are wrong, first is about take off ground than make circles than cross the atlantic. Santos was the first one to take off ground...let me ask you something did you learn how to run before you eve craw? no right? so than that explain what is important first in order to achieve the goal, so santos is THE FATHER OF AVIATION and I'm AMRERICAN!!!!
kerketj 4 years ago 4
Lol the wrights bros SHOWED THE WORLD how to fly a "sustained flight"? i think you lack information...
shinjiemisato 3 years ago 2
Santos & the other Frenchmen owed everything to the Wright Brothers by way of the aged Octave Chanute. Let's trace the events. In 1903 Santos was famous for flying dirigibles, a different technology from airplanes. By 1906 he, with the help of Gabriel Voisin, all of a sudden entered into flying