The Elder Scrolls work well as a first person rpg, and that one first person Might and Magic game works as well. So it isn't just fps that work well. Though besides rpgs, I cant think of another good first-person game...
I like first person shooters ... well, first person games. FPSs get boring really fast unless they tell an interesting storyn and give a sense of immersion. Modern Warfare and Mirror's Edge were short but decent, and even fucking Minecraft gives a nice sense of immersion, it sometimes delivers fear and claustrophobia on such a simple yet efficient way that most other games just can't. I still agree with most of what you sayd here, FPS fans are a plague, and the game industry likes them ...
I really don't like the FPS genre either, but I did find one series to entertain me that I'd recommend: TimeSplitters (the third one especially). The game is entertaining, the characters are memorable, and the campaign is silly and over the top but it works because its just plain fun. Try it if you get the chance.
So the FPS is not FPS because there is an avatar in form of a gun just like a 3D platformer? But that doesnt make FPS bad per se, it just the gamers that arent able to bitch for the right reasons like asking for something diferent. If it was really important to them (as they said) then we wont have this problem.
fps games can be creative and interesting. I love fps games but im getting sick of the brown military shooters. Especially after MW3 the biggest disapointment ever
I have a tip for you that could change your mind about first person: DARK MESSIAH of Might and Magic.
It differs from your description:
- Shooting is optional, the only time you HAVE to shoot is when you need rope arrows to progress.
- You have a physical presence in the game world, you're not just a pair of arms.
The main point I disagree with you on though is Mirror's Edge. It DOES work! A third person game about parkour could not have been made better, I should know, I do parkour.
Mirrors edge is good and was far to easily dismissed. Just because it took some learning and adaption doesn't make its bad really, the same said can be said for SKATE a game that when trained is enormous fun. Dark souls requires almost literal perfection in terms of how it's played to complete so I can see why people don't like it. dismissing mirrors edge's gameplay as bad is like someone saying I think riding a bike is far too hard and shouldn't and isn't fun after being on it for 10 minutes.
Mirrors edge is good and was far to easily dismissed. Just because it took some learning and adaption doesn't make its bad really, the same said can be said for SKATE a game that when trained is enormous fun. Dark souls requires almost literal perfection in terms of how it's played to complete so I can see why people don't like it. dismissing mirrors edge's gameplay as bad is like someone saying I think riding a bike is far too hard and shouldn't and isn't fun after being on it for 10 minutes.
There are only 2 fps games that i like : team fortress 2, and the goldeneye remake. team fortress because, well, that game is fucking amazing, and the goldeneye wii because, well, i actually dont know
The problem with brown shooters right now is not how they look or how repetitive they are, the problem is how their multiplayer is structured and designed. They promote bad play, and while, as you said, FPS have basically formed multiplayer as it is now, if they don't change fast, they'll wreck it quicker than activision can say COD14. Earlier FPS' multiplayer was natural selection by memory capacity and reflex speed in effect, nowadays it's pandering to little spoiled kids EXTREME EDITION.
I disagree with almost everything in this video. You don't like first person? That's okay, everyone has different opinions. But don't point out pet grievances in an inane attempt to prove that the first person is the cancer killing vidya or that there's no room for innovation or that it only works for shooters because it's just not true at all. Portal and Half-life are seriously not enough for you? How about Bioshock? Oh and fyi, most people LIKED Mirrors Edge.
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Still doesn't explain his endless ripping on Halo. I like to think that he had some traumatic experience when he was younger which involved his dad beating his mother whenever she nagged him for spending all his time playing Halo, but this is just theorycrafting.
While your told you are the hero you are presented as a blank slate who cant do tie his shoelaces and breath at the same time.Im astounded that Bethesda didnt allow us to enhance core abilities from the beginning
It gets better but it presents the hero as kind of a wuss in the beginning
This is why i like Skyrim and hoped Duke Nukem Forever would be better than what it ended up
For Skyrim while your presented as a blank slate you are also told that you are a legendary hero which is alot better than just a soldier with a gun
For in the case of the Duke your put into the day in the life of the greatest hero in the world.You arent just joe dumbface whos spouting Nietsche for Dummies....and then DNF's writing shot anything good about that premise in the foot
Minecraft, Elder Scrolls, Dark Messiah : Might and Magic, Thief. All first person and none of them have iron-sights. Also, they are individually good in themselves, not for their respective sequels/franchises.
Last year, the brown mindless FPS died for me. Thank god for that.
And most of my friends, and even my younger brothers and their friends have grown tired of CoD now too (They still bought it, but they haven't got a couple weeks goddamn ingame time this year at least).
Hopefully, next year they won't even buy CoD Modern Black Ops or whatever it'll be.
Turning the your videos into academic essays (essentially, adding footnotes) could easily see me through a media MSc... being more specific... it will.
ok so lets do this Thief, Metroid prime, ALL the valve games, deus ex and deus ex hr cause invisible war never happened shut up, the elder scrolls games, the ball, amnesia, that one marvel game that got canceled (looked awesome tho), vampire the masquerade just named a couple from the top of my head so no i think doing other stuff in first person works.
@Natakupl Just because those games are in first person, that doesn't mean they were good or couldn't work better in other perspectives and half the games you mention have shooting. Allow me to explain the main problem with designing first-person games:
You cannot see yourself in relation to the environment.
@greatemperorsteve Yeah who wouldnt wanna see a sneaking game in 3 person. And oblivions 3 person view made the game a true gem. Im sorry but most GAMES have shooting mario, mega man, metroid, contra, devil may cry, fucking sonic (shadow the hedgehog), final fantasy, leage of legends, touhou, grim fandango the list is endless. And you did not just call elder scrolls and deus ex bad games. Oh and if you cant see yourself in relation to the wall next to you in fucking doom go get your eyes checked
@Natakupl Yeah, those games have shooting elements along with non-shooting elements, which the first person perspective makes unnatural because you can't see yourself in relation to the environment hence why shooting only works. You also forgot that half of my explanation was that they could work better in other perspectives. Your final comment is nothing short of childish and you happen to use one of the simplest games that is once again, nothing but shooting.
@greatemperorsteve Skyrim alone features countles books, cooking, weapon crafting, armor crafting, potion brewing, enchanting and much more. Deus ex again countles books, mutiple choice story, hacking. Thief- you almost never fire your bow the game incorages NOT shooting. Portal no guns. Mist no guns. Vamnpire you suck the blood of helpless virgins not much shooting. The ball just roll your ball. Amnesia no weapons. Penumbra no weapons. MINECRAFT building.
@greatemperorsteve And that last line you just cus i say fuck a lot dosnt make me imature i think you can take it. And allso your wrong because seeing yourself in relation to the enviroment meens beeing able to judge distance and well you see in first person and i assume you dont bump intro walls all the time.
@Natakupl Seeing yourself in relation to the environment doesn't just have to do with not bumping into walls, it's the very reason why you can't platform in first person or do anything other than shooting. And all those examples you mentioned are either done through menus, secondary features not part of the main gameplay or don't benefit from being in first person. Portal is just another variation of shooting. It stresses puzzle solving skills but functionally, it's the same thing.
@greatemperorsteve THANK YOU! I've been looking for someone who agrees with me that jumping kinda sucks in first-person shooters. That's why Metroid Prime didn't really work for me.
Honestly, what it comes down to is personal preference. It's fine that you dislike FPS games, but to say they've hurt the medium is ignorant. Back in the Golden Age, Mascot Platformers where pretty much the equivalent of FPS games.
I stood in line to play Space Invaders, I owned a ton of systems, from the Atari 2600 to the XBox 360 nowadays. And yes, that includes Nintendo systems.
I've been playing FPS's online since Quake.
Memorizing AI patterns and timing jumps down to the pixel grew stale a LONG time ago for me.
I love Bayonetta, and some Castlevania games, and a bunch of other stuff, too.
I'm an OG gamer from way back.
Humans are way more fun to game with than a bunch of AI's.
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Wow.
I disagree with all of this.
I stood in line to play Space Invaders, I owned a ton of systems, from the Atari 2600 to the XBox 360 nowadays. And yes, that includes Nintendo systems.
I've been playing FPS's online since Quake.
Memorizing AI patterns and timing jumps down to the pixel grew stale a LONG time ago for me.
I love Bayonetta, and some Castlevania games, and a bunch of other stuff, too.
I'm an OG gamer from way back.
Humans are way more fun to game with than a bunch of AI's.
Implying that the genre has nowhere to go but improved textures was perhaps a poor choice on your part. Even now, the genre is rich with interesting titles that disprove that claim. Both the Portal series and Mirror's Edge make radical changes to traditional gameplay, and are both considered to be a part of the FPS genre. Half-Life 2 and Bioshock represent huge milestones in game storytelling, both in the genre, and as games in general. Sorry that you feel that way, but I'm afraid you're wrong.
You can so tell he's an US 80's console kid before the 2 min mark of this video from his preferred genre list, cause as an 80's euro home computer kid I grew up playing his least favourite genre list.
Most FPS' suck for the same reason why G4 sucks now. It used to mean something to be a gamer; things changed when games started to attract some other demographic that no one likes but dominates the market. Adolescent youths are the reason why we can't have nice things....
Now the only way to find a respectable team is to unplug yourself from Live and switch to PC. IMO they got better games anyway. Steam FTW!
id say the FPS brown realistic shooter would last an other 3-4 years at best, hopefully less
at best we'd see changes in 2 years
at first there were more and more bad FPS being sold since it was cheaper and easier to do
however most of those try to include a multyplayer and severly cuts the experience in half
by juging the timeline of FPS from 2000 to now, people are getting tired of the FPS genre mainly because the graphic department doesnt have anywhere to go futher
a bit of a miss step but still a step nonetheless,
mainly most FPS that try realism fail at realism,
Battlefield 3 tried to bring the War sucks message but did it half way with a not perfect
much like the main caracther was being taken down by buracrats it would have worked. If the story just had a much better villain and the game had a better backstory overall
realistic FPS have a long way to go before being good
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I feel like I've just been insulted. How the hell do you go from "this doesnt mean i think all FPS fans are bad people" and "just my opinion" to "restraining order Rick and Dishonorable Discharge Dave" while implying that anyone who enjoys FPS games is an overly macho abusive asshole? For the record Bethesda has been making 1st person RPGs for 20 years. Maybe you should refrain from recording videos immediately after getting your ass kicked on X-Box live.
I think the FPS genre has plenty of ways to go, most notably, going by the more arcadey-route like with Xotic. The problem is, very few developers and publishers are willing to experiment that far, because Call of Duty and Battlefield is too lucratively safe in comparison.
I think the issue here is that you've shrank the scope of the analysis too much to those grizzled sci-fi space marines and millitary sim shooters. There were plenty of FPS games back in the day, and those released more recently that tries to expand on the formula or do something. Like say, the Serpent Rider games (Heretic, Hexen, Hexen 2), or Nitro Family, which tried to incorporate air-juggling mechanics, or Serious Sam XBox's combo system that ties into the extra lives system.
Dude, I think you need to cut down on the hardcore stereotyping. To my knowledge, most people who like FPS games are fairly decent, normal people. I'm not saying that homophobic, racist, and bigoted assholes don't exist on Xbox Live. Of course they do, and they do make up a decent portion of the demographics these games try to target. That doesn't mean, though, you have the right to file the majority of hardcore gamers under that kind of title.
I grew up on MS-DOS, so my tastes are skewed a bit more towards strategy and shooters than Bob's are. However, I do agree with him that there is a severe shortage of interesting FPS games. Yeah, there are a limited few around, but it's not good enough.
Too bad there isn't a way to run a shader over the rendering output of the less-colourful games to boost the colour saturation. It certainly works wonders on video footage from such games being played back in Media Player Classic.
mostly agreed. but you also have to remember in the 90s platformers were played out and most were terrible and uninspired just like the FPS genre is right now. honestly i have no clue what genre can take over right now...maybe fighting games? the only thing about fighters and strategy games is you actually have to think and that doesnt go over well with the general public (IE:COD players)
bob get over it man the jocks that were the bane of your existence are now into games just like you. and further more the nerd-jock dynamic doesn't really exist anymore.
wow, some people got offended by this...but the point is that he is right for the most part...the idea is that there are good games and there are bad games...even the FPS has it's good games like Half-life,Bioshock or DeusEx but the thing that spoils the experience,in my opinion, are the online communities, i mean not only the FPS has this problem, games like World of warcraft or League of Legends has the same problem...the online community...this ruins almost everything
He must have said abut 10 times in there that it is just his OPINION. Give the man a break ...is he supposed to like ALL GENRES ...just because they exist? Yeah, I do like FPS ...I hate COD (lack of diversity) and I LOVE Battlefield... that is just OPINION ...I LOVE Zelda ...but I HATE all the cellshading crap they've recently done to it, so I'm not interested in those either.
All just opinions yo, we're all gamers, stop hating on others for having an opinion geez.
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I like how he keeps bundling metroid prime in the FPS genre as if thats all it is. Its more like a first person adventure/platformer. Also the 'limitations' of the first person perspective are part of the charm. How much more creepy is prime sometimes when you CANT see all around you. Anyone playing the first two primes at least know fully well it is quite removed from eg COD.
@Keanotix But Metroid up to that point had been ALSO been about platforming. First-person kinda ruins the platforming. I'm glad they didn't add the Screw Attack in there or I'd go FFFFFFFFFF-
@RocMegamanX Ok I do hear you there, platforming in FPS has always been a pain in the balls, Mirror's Edge (FPS?) tried to find out if it could be an entire game (a first person platformer) with mixed results. But for me, Metroid was always about exploring alien worlds from their beautiful vistas to their claustrophobic caverns. Im sorry, but exploring worlds feels better in a first person perspective (Skyrim?). I just disagree that Prime is bundled in with COD when it really shouldnt be.
@Keanotix If there were fewer games in the genre that dealt with jumping onto platforms, then I'd be on the side that disagrees with Moviebob, but I'm worried that that's not the case. I'm still unsure about Portal, Serious Sam, Bioshock, and Team Fortress 2 as well.
I said it before and I'll say it here, this is a rant against online gaming using the FPS genre as a scapegoat. Point of fact that sums up pretty much the entirety of his beefs: Rants against online culture using gaming as a misplaced point of reference to provide relevance. Not that he's wrong about online douchery mind, it's just that it's not gaming's - or FPS in this case - problem and certainly not its source.
Oh, Bob, you were doing so well. Why did you have to resort to strawman representations of the typical FPS user at the end? It makes your point so much less salient- you essentially sound like "OH NOOOO, MY SECRET CLUBHOUSE IS BEING INVADED BY THE NORMIES!! AHHHH!"
Why is there so much bitching? Are you really flipping the fuck out because he doesn't like games that you do? I love this show and Bob kicks ass, but if he says something I don't agree with, I don't flip my shit or even give it a second thought.
@MetalasanArtForm this is not bitching this is arguing.He blamed a whole genre and its players based on some jackasses with mics.So you don't like our argument.?Not a single fuck bro
@MetalasanArtForm "All the bitching" is coming from Bob discounting the FPS genre wholesale and implying that it's inferior to the other genres both technically and in terms of quality.
could you guys... you know. Shut up? Or at least take it down 9 notches? Its one video. ABOUT FPS's! You act like he's denying the holocaust. Maybe if he got less crap from youtube he would make these more often. I disagree with his point a little too. But then I remember that its just fucking videogames and its almost christmas, so I DONT GET ANGRY. Entertaining video (that I got for free) Bob. Keep them coming.
I like You Bob and I know you tried you best to be objective, but this came off as a more intelligent version of those Cartoon Network Rants, in that it just seemed that you don't like FPS games and modern gaming because it's not exactly like it was when you were a kid. Yes, there are tones of 12 year old trolls online, but not everyone online is. I've met some normal decent people, even met some of them in the real world on the launch of games like Gears 3 and COD: Black Ops.
you honestly are really fucking uninformed, if you had ever actually... say jumped on COD, you would see, that there are actually alot of really nice people to meet online, just because you hear that kids are dicks online doesnt mean you know what you are talking about
Why do you hate sports games so much? Do you just find them boring? If you do respond to this, please don't mention Madden. That series is the same every year.
> Team Fortress 2, Killing Floor, Counter Strike series, Deus Ex series and Nuclear Dawn for example are not?
I love how you judge am entire community and game genre because of a mediocre FPS game with a shitty community and simplistic game-play while excluding those with at-least some taste.
P.S: Did I even Include Portal and Half life in this?
@Tarik360 yep hes pretty much ignoring what doesnt makes him right, just taking all the banal and generic fps like cod to make a generalization of the whole genre and people who likes it. i can live with the fact that there is people who doesnt like shooters, but critizise the whole genre without the full picture is just stupid
Guys, pointing out a first-person game that you enjoyed that doesn't rely on the same formula as Call of Duty or Halo does not destroy his argument. He recognizes that there are games in every genre that are worth playing. He wasn't insulting YOUR intelligence, he was insulting the intelligence of the racist, angry, insecure 10 to 25 year-olds on Xbox live that ruin people's perceptions of gamers like you and me who play a wide variety of games and enjoy the complexities of them.
@sintra4 no he was implying the all fans of first person shooters are those online trolls and his appalling vile and disgusting offensive portrayal of fps fans is what gets people riled up and why we are throwing fit in the comments. Bob has way past the line here and the backlash is more than warranted. this his pet issue to be an offensive asshole on and he shows it. I am wanting for the day and so help me i know its coming when Bob achieves godwin on this. because then we win.
@sintra4 There are many, many mature adults who play these games online. I think blaming certain psychological and sociological factors on the video game itself is a too convenient. We have to consider aspects of online gaming itself, like the cloak of anonymity or potentially poor parenting.
These kinds of people exist in all kinds of multiplayer games. My god, have you even played WoW or LoL? I think this is more an issue of online multiplayer itself instead of just the game.
I realize this was recorded before it was put on YT, Bob, but in a couple of ways, I think you're right. I like FPSs, however, I think it's probably a sort of supply and demand paradox that kicks out some of us who want to see more than just shit-and-puke colors; people want more lackluster CoD/Halo/GoW rip-offs, the companies milk the cow, leaving those who want more pushed aside. Luckily, there's Team Fortress as an example, and there are a number of non shooter FPs. I can be wrong, though.
@Ryudamaru No ones ever killed a dragon in a game before. Totally new thing to video games and I can see why everyones making a fuss about Skyrim(job)
Uh, guys, he didn't say he didn't like First-person games...he said first-person SHOOTERS. Games like Skyrim and Bioshock are NOT the fps games he's talking about.
@FerociousFox BioShock is a FPS. Yeah, it had rpg elements, but, especially in comparison to System Shock, it was mostly a shooter. The rpg elements were limited.
Although I disagree with a lot of the points he made. While I agree about the gripes with COD and such, there are plenty of great FPS games. Plus, he admits to not being a PC gamer, to which there are many better FPS'.
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@FerociousFox Bioshock IS an FPS. Everything he says about the inherent limitations of the perspective and the shooting emphasis apply to Bioshock Portal and Half Life.
@FerociousFox Actually he specifically talks about the "fact" that there was only 1 FP game he thought of that didn't involve looking over the barrel of a gun. That's why I accuse him of A having a console centric view of gaming and B not doing a min amount of research. It took 5min to type "First Person Game -Shooter" into google and get a bunch of games I'd not heard of.
It starts at 4:52 and ends around 6:30. Non-shooter FP games aren't as rair as he seems to think they are.
The more I listen to you, the more I feel like you've got a lot of nerd rage built up since grade school that causes you to lash out at anything that reminds you of the people who tormented you in your youth. Newsflash, unpleasant people exist everywhere. There are a lot jerks in every genre, even platformers.
Do I need to remind you of the glut of platformers in the industry back in the days of Mario and Metroid? Too much of any one this is always a bad thing, regardless of what it is.
All of this is like summing up 2d sidescrollers as walk to the right and jump. FPS' are fun and that's why people play them, not because of some bullshit macho fantasy fulfillment, assuming fans of the FPS genre are all into brown bland graphics, war, militarism and the ideology of the jock is staggeringly ignorant in contrast to most of your other opinions you have shared in your videos. Ever played Bioshock or Skyrim, the First Person perspective can immerse you in an environment like no other
@TenderHistoryInRust He says in the video that he is not against gaming in the first person, he just doesn't care that much about FPSHOOTERS. So he's not talking about Skyrim (this video was really uploaded a few years before skyrim was even in the consumer's brain). He owns and likes Bioshock and said so in another one of his videos. However, as he said in the this video, pointing out only a few examples like Portal, Half-life, (or Bioshock) doesn't really change things.
@TenderHistoryInRust This is not a video about how he thinks the abundance of games in the first person are doing the industry wrong. Just the gray-brown military shooter clones.
My problem with fps is their lack of story with the exception of Halo. The fps currently have become the same thing dominating all other forms of creativity and because they make money Japanese companies are playing into it and ditching their other more creative titles for this money making trend. Just like mmos who are now also dominating RPG genre and destroying it. Online play in general is destroying the creativity that was a part of the gaming world. Limiting the games now to add on packs
STALKER, Elder Scrolls, Half-Life series, Serious Sam, Amnesia: The Dark Descent, Team Fortress 2, Theif, Mirror's Edge, Bioshock, Portal, Quake Series, Unreal Series, Left 4 Dead, Deus Ex, Metro 2033, Singularity, Metroid Prime, Bulletstorm, Dark Messiah ..Some examples of more recent First-Person Games. Most of these are single player experiences and are far from what you describe in the video.
I find it really offensive that you blame the entire fps genre as the cause of a decline creativity in gaming. If the style of game you talk about were to occur on another MEDIUM, such as fps, would you be saying the same thing about that genre?
I feel like Bob was targeting the wartime simulators that have been coming out in the past 10 years. I don't think he meant the ENTIRE genre, which yes, includes great titles like Bioshock, Amnesia, Thief, Elder Scrolls...etc etc.
They aren't just mindless run and gun games with no objective other than to kill the other person as quickly as possible, like the Modern Warfare games or Battlefield, Halo, etc etc. And if I remember correctly, those games were the main focus of his argument.
This isn't a rant about fps, its a rant about call of duty. What was the only fps shooter he showed in the background as ambiance?
Also, Mirror's Edge was great and... 8:57... uhm, wut? I don't even know where to start with that statement. For some reason, you basically just declared you're very much relevant point about the advantage of the third-person perspective as null. I don't even... I .. I'm really confused by this.
Much of what MovBob says has to be broad generalisations for the sake of time, inevitably that will upset some who are not aquainted with his style.
Throughout his time posting videos he's been one of the few guardians brave enough to raise awareness at the steady decline in the quality of games. I fear however in this episode he has has mistakenly targeted a genre as a reason, when its merely a tool in the modus operandi of a much larger over-arching agenda working behind the scenes.
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You know, it's getting really hard to tell which of his episodes are the worst: the ones with ridiculous, unsupported, poorly thought out arguments or the ones with a heavy character/plot emphasis... or the ones with both. Off the top of my head, Thief, Elder Scrolls, Portal, LSD, Penumbra, Amnesia, and various mods like Dear Esther are all excellent first-person games with no shooting. Personally, I liked Mirror's Edge, but your mileage may vary. At least it was something new... unlike Zelda.
@OuroborosChoked See I think that's what bothers me about Bob sometimes. He is often brilliant and clever, but can be hypocritical at times. Blaming COD for being the same game all the time is about as valid as blaming Zelda for being the same game all the time. The same could be said for World of Warcraft and other mmos or many puzzle games.
We all have our fixes, so can't we just live and let live?
I've always disliked FPS. Even way back in the days of Wolfenstein3d. Just not my thing. But I have nothing against those who like it. I'll just keep playing my Red Ded Redemptions, Arkham Citys, and GTA clones. What's to complain about?
i seen this argument from you before bob, and i mostly agree, but its more that were stuck on compedative shooters, not on the firs person perspective right now. if valve and bethesda can deliver first person games with a good campaign and no focus on online, why shoold the COD's ruwen that for us. and vanquish actually was even innovating within the shooting genre, of course it had to sacrifice online for the core game mechanics, but who cares for online...
to those talking about amnesia,portal, and half life in the argument i think this orginally came out when that was new and also a few games does not make up for an army of metiocre FPS games
While it is true that there are PLENTY of games besides shooters that work from first-person (Minecraft being my personal favorite), that doesn't take away from Bob's point. FPS games are overplayed, overdone, and tend to be rather samey. The same could've been said of fighters or sidescrollers in the 90s.
I think the point where the biggest grin hit my face was on, "making me trudge through another Metroid Prime". I _know_, right? Every game in the Prime series bored the pants off of me!
@Treblaine This video is like one or two years old. Not saying you shouldn't unsubscribe, that's your decision. Bob was pretty much only saying he didn't like COD, which is pretty much the only footage he showed of FPS games during this video when it was new on Screw Attack 1-2 years ago. He also has mentioned having enjoyed playing Bioshock, he says he doesn't much care for FPS games. What he's probably saying is "I don't like COD, and the majority of people who play it"
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@TheGuyWhoIsSitting Well he doesn't just limit himself to Xbox Live communities of Halo and COD, what he say tars ALL FPS GAMERS with the same brush. That IS what he said!
He has clearly NEVER played a game on PC which IS regulated (by admins), the language is civil and the attitude is friendly. Almost every game (even Black Ops) ends with everyone saying typing "good game".
I don't have time to listen to such ignorance.
He has zero insight here for his inexperience & lack of comprehension.
@Treblaine You know, I've played PC games and I've dealt with a few people who I'd define as acting like twelve year olds, mic spamming stupid crap. I'm not saying everyone is like that and you know it's true that not everyone is like that. I never said Bob was right, I never said his opinion is better than everyone else's. I didn't even say you shouldn't unsubscribe. All I said was the majority of the things in this year to two year old video target XBLA FPS players.
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@TheGuyWhoIsSitting Yeah, "a few". A minority of people grief on regulated networks like you have on PC (PS: MW2 online PC is NOT regulated!). Those people are always minutes away from a kick or ban from server.
Yes, everything Moviebob says pretty much ONLY describe Xbox Live but he DOES NOT limit to just Xbox Live (nor mention how it's just as bad with THIRD person games like Gears of War) but denigrates ALL FPS gamers and the gamers themselves.
@7micktompson7 No, he's not. I'm not even a COD/Battlefield/Halo fan.
"Maybe I'd be more into a first person game that wasn't a shooter"
Thief 2. Probably the best first-person game to have come out in the late 90s/early 2000s. Not even a mention by Bob. Why? It doesn't fit his argument. Hell, System Shock 2 (which does have guns, but it's more of a survival horror/puzzle game) doesn't get a mention, either. His broad-brush argument here just suffers from that generalization...
The Elder Scrolls work well as a first person rpg, and that one first person Might and Magic game works as well. So it isn't just fps that work well. Though besides rpgs, I cant think of another good first-person game...
kitty0tikara 4 days ago
I like first person shooters ... well, first person games. FPSs get boring really fast unless they tell an interesting storyn and give a sense of immersion. Modern Warfare and Mirror's Edge were short but decent, and even fucking Minecraft gives a nice sense of immersion, it sometimes delivers fear and claustrophobia on such a simple yet efficient way that most other games just can't. I still agree with most of what you sayd here, FPS fans are a plague, and the game industry likes them ...
DarkZholt 6 days ago
I really don't like the FPS genre either, but I did find one series to entertain me that I'd recommend: TimeSplitters (the third one especially). The game is entertaining, the characters are memorable, and the campaign is silly and over the top but it works because its just plain fun. Try it if you get the chance.
Wexdarn 6 days ago
Actually i still dont understand how having the gun/bazooka/robot/head of a monster on the front makes it a non-FPS
EmperorOfLols 1 week ago
So the FPS is not FPS because there is an avatar in form of a gun just like a 3D platformer? But that doesnt make FPS bad per se, it just the gamers that arent able to bitch for the right reasons like asking for something diferent. If it was really important to them (as they said) then we wont have this problem.
EmperorOfLols 1 week ago
fps games can be creative and interesting. I love fps games but im getting sick of the brown military shooters. Especially after MW3 the biggest disapointment ever
drifter402 1 week ago
i wonder what moviebob thinks about about amnesia
DiaSol 1 week ago
@DiaSol What is so important about Amnesia and Penumbra that differs from other FPS?
EmperorOfLols 1 week ago
@DiaSol Besides being good
EmperorOfLols 1 week ago
Im gonna call you "go make me a sandwhich suzy". Cause you whine so much.
RSKullcrusha 1 week ago
I agree with practicly everything Moviebob says here.
Except for the Mirror's Edge thing. I think Mirror's Edge was sweet.
Flawed, and with plenty untapped potential, but still pretty neat.
WolfieboyMachi 2 weeks ago
TF2 was out at the time of this videos creation right?
OK if so, TF2.
penultimatey 2 weeks ago
@penultimatey What TF2? Team Fortress 2? this video is from 2011. What other TF2 you mean
EmperorOfLols 1 week ago
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minecraft?
twit8149 2 weeks ago
Ummm... What about the Elder Scrolls?
hypertreb 3 weeks ago
I have a tip for you that could change your mind about first person: DARK MESSIAH of Might and Magic.
It differs from your description:
- Shooting is optional, the only time you HAVE to shoot is when you need rope arrows to progress.
- You have a physical presence in the game world, you're not just a pair of arms.
The main point I disagree with you on though is Mirror's Edge. It DOES work! A third person game about parkour could not have been made better, I should know, I do parkour.
SuckItLily 3 weeks ago
elder scrolls is fp
Brodystone8 3 weeks ago
@Brodystone8 Something else me Bob likes to play Skyrim in 3rd person.
MobiusCoin 3 weeks ago
I disagree with the statement of that FP only works for shooters.
I play racing sims and I always use the FP aka cockpit view.
But other than those 2 genres I have yet to see a other genre working well in the FP perspective.
Mirror's Edge, like you said, made that very clear.
TeamAwesomeNL 4 weeks ago
Mirrors edge felt pretty damn good to me....then again, I've played a few FPSs first
vidmuncher 1 month ago
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Mirrors edge is good and was far to easily dismissed. Just because it took some learning and adaption doesn't make its bad really, the same said can be said for SKATE a game that when trained is enormous fun. Dark souls requires almost literal perfection in terms of how it's played to complete so I can see why people don't like it. dismissing mirrors edge's gameplay as bad is like someone saying I think riding a bike is far too hard and shouldn't and isn't fun after being on it for 10 minutes.
Togutas 1 month ago
Mirrors edge is good and was far to easily dismissed. Just because it took some learning and adaption doesn't make its bad really, the same said can be said for SKATE a game that when trained is enormous fun. Dark souls requires almost literal perfection in terms of how it's played to complete so I can see why people don't like it. dismissing mirrors edge's gameplay as bad is like someone saying I think riding a bike is far too hard and shouldn't and isn't fun after being on it for 10 minutes.
Togutas 1 month ago 3
There are only 2 fps games that i like : team fortress 2, and the goldeneye remake. team fortress because, well, that game is fucking amazing, and the goldeneye wii because, well, i actually dont know
MasterDimentio1 1 month ago
The problem with brown shooters right now is not how they look or how repetitive they are, the problem is how their multiplayer is structured and designed. They promote bad play, and while, as you said, FPS have basically formed multiplayer as it is now, if they don't change fast, they'll wreck it quicker than activision can say COD14. Earlier FPS' multiplayer was natural selection by memory capacity and reflex speed in effect, nowadays it's pandering to little spoiled kids EXTREME EDITION.
NumidiumsRG 1 month ago
Morrowind Oblivion Skyrim - anythign else Bob?
supajasiu 1 month ago
@supajasiu So... basically Bethesda games?
MobiusCoin 3 weeks ago
watching those loops of COD game play got really annoying after awhile.
fistacuff56 1 month ago
I disagree with almost everything in this video. You don't like first person? That's okay, everyone has different opinions. But don't point out pet grievances in an inane attempt to prove that the first person is the cancer killing vidya or that there's no room for innovation or that it only works for shooters because it's just not true at all. Portal and Half-life are seriously not enough for you? How about Bioshock? Oh and fyi, most people LIKED Mirrors Edge.
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Still doesn't explain his endless ripping on Halo. I like to think that he had some traumatic experience when he was younger which involved his dad beating his mother whenever she nagged him for spending all his time playing Halo, but this is just theorycrafting.
calvin28 1 month ago
Also yeah i know Skyrim isnt an FPS its an RPG but the points still stand
kea919306 1 month ago
However Skyrim itself has issues
While your told you are the hero you are presented as a blank slate who cant do tie his shoelaces and breath at the same time.Im astounded that Bethesda didnt allow us to enhance core abilities from the beginning
It gets better but it presents the hero as kind of a wuss in the beginning
Idk its just my own opinion on the matter
kea919306 1 month ago
This is why i like Skyrim and hoped Duke Nukem Forever would be better than what it ended up
For Skyrim while your presented as a blank slate you are also told that you are a legendary hero which is alot better than just a soldier with a gun
For in the case of the Duke your put into the day in the life of the greatest hero in the world.You arent just joe dumbface whos spouting Nietsche for Dummies....and then DNF's writing shot anything good about that premise in the foot
kea919306 1 month ago
Minecraft, Elder Scrolls, Dark Messiah : Might and Magic, Thief. All first person and none of them have iron-sights. Also, they are individually good in themselves, not for their respective sequels/franchises.
TheMauso88 1 month ago
Last year, the brown mindless FPS died for me. Thank god for that.
And most of my friends, and even my younger brothers and their friends have grown tired of CoD now too (They still bought it, but they haven't got a couple weeks goddamn ingame time this year at least).
Hopefully, next year they won't even buy CoD Modern Black Ops or whatever it'll be.
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Bob, if you want some good FP/Sometimes FP style games, Amnesia The Dark Descent, and Sanitarium. ^^ I'm sure you'd like them.
kovulover 1 month ago
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Timing my jumps to stomp on some kiddy-colored AI construct lost it's appeal to me a long time ago.
I stood on a milk crate to play Space Invaders when I was a kid. I owned every system ever.
When I played my first shooter online, against real people, it was like a revelation.
I've been playing FPS games online since Doom II.
Bayonnetta is fun, and I dig it. But once you memorize the enemy patterns *yawn*
People make FPS's fun, not the game itself.
Bashing AI's is just lonely and sad...sorry.
SinSynn 2 months ago
Dear bob,
Turning the your videos into academic essays (essentially, adding footnotes) could easily see me through a media MSc... being more specific... it will.
cpmckeown 2 months ago
ok so lets do this Thief, Metroid prime, ALL the valve games, deus ex and deus ex hr cause invisible war never happened shut up, the elder scrolls games, the ball, amnesia, that one marvel game that got canceled (looked awesome tho), vampire the masquerade just named a couple from the top of my head so no i think doing other stuff in first person works.
Natakupl 2 months ago
@Natakupl Just because those games are in first person, that doesn't mean they were good or couldn't work better in other perspectives and half the games you mention have shooting. Allow me to explain the main problem with designing first-person games:
You cannot see yourself in relation to the environment.
greatemperorsteve 1 month ago in playlist More videos from moviebob
@greatemperorsteve Yeah who wouldnt wanna see a sneaking game in 3 person. And oblivions 3 person view made the game a true gem. Im sorry but most GAMES have shooting mario, mega man, metroid, contra, devil may cry, fucking sonic (shadow the hedgehog), final fantasy, leage of legends, touhou, grim fandango the list is endless. And you did not just call elder scrolls and deus ex bad games. Oh and if you cant see yourself in relation to the wall next to you in fucking doom go get your eyes checked
Natakupl 1 month ago
@Natakupl Yeah, those games have shooting elements along with non-shooting elements, which the first person perspective makes unnatural because you can't see yourself in relation to the environment hence why shooting only works. You also forgot that half of my explanation was that they could work better in other perspectives. Your final comment is nothing short of childish and you happen to use one of the simplest games that is once again, nothing but shooting.
greatemperorsteve 1 month ago
@greatemperorsteve Skyrim alone features countles books, cooking, weapon crafting, armor crafting, potion brewing, enchanting and much more. Deus ex again countles books, mutiple choice story, hacking. Thief- you almost never fire your bow the game incorages NOT shooting. Portal no guns. Mist no guns. Vamnpire you suck the blood of helpless virgins not much shooting. The ball just roll your ball. Amnesia no weapons. Penumbra no weapons. MINECRAFT building.
Natakupl 1 month ago
@Natakupl I can't really do this with Youtube's comment limit. We'll have to continue this through PMs
greatemperorsteve 1 month ago
@greatemperorsteve And that last line you just cus i say fuck a lot dosnt make me imature i think you can take it. And allso your wrong because seeing yourself in relation to the enviroment meens beeing able to judge distance and well you see in first person and i assume you dont bump intro walls all the time.
Natakupl 1 month ago
@Natakupl Seeing yourself in relation to the environment doesn't just have to do with not bumping into walls, it's the very reason why you can't platform in first person or do anything other than shooting. And all those examples you mentioned are either done through menus, secondary features not part of the main gameplay or don't benefit from being in first person. Portal is just another variation of shooting. It stresses puzzle solving skills but functionally, it's the same thing.
greatemperorsteve 1 month ago
@greatemperorsteve THANK YOU! I've been looking for someone who agrees with me that jumping kinda sucks in first-person shooters. That's why Metroid Prime didn't really work for me.
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The elder scrolls
CroJunak 2 months ago
@CroJunak is not FPS, but RPG.
ResurrectedTemplar 2 months ago
Honestly, what it comes down to is personal preference. It's fine that you dislike FPS games, but to say they've hurt the medium is ignorant. Back in the Golden Age, Mascot Platformers where pretty much the equivalent of FPS games.
Ironbat92 2 months ago
This is why i loved metal gear online more than cod.
TheErlend87 2 months ago
Can't say I disagree with Mr. Chipman, but I still love my CoD and Halo to death.
NinjaRacoonDelta2 2 months ago
Now Nintendo is going into the FPS with the Wii U.
thisithis 2 months ago
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Wow.
I disagree with all of this.
I stood in line to play Space Invaders, I owned a ton of systems, from the Atari 2600 to the XBox 360 nowadays. And yes, that includes Nintendo systems.
I've been playing FPS's online since Quake.
Memorizing AI patterns and timing jumps down to the pixel grew stale a LONG time ago for me.
I love Bayonetta, and some Castlevania games, and a bunch of other stuff, too.
I'm an OG gamer from way back.
Humans are way more fun to game with than a bunch of AI's.
*shrug*
SinSynn 2 months ago
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Wow.
I disagree with all of this.
I stood in line to play Space Invaders, I owned a ton of systems, from the Atari 2600 to the XBox 360 nowadays. And yes, that includes Nintendo systems.
I've been playing FPS's online since Quake.
Memorizing AI patterns and timing jumps down to the pixel grew stale a LONG time ago for me.
I love Bayonetta, and some Castlevania games, and a bunch of other stuff, too.
I'm an OG gamer from way back.
Humans are way more fun to game with than a bunch of AI's.
*shrug*
SinSynn 2 months ago
this is more of a cod rant than anything.
jonathan85211 2 months ago
Sega made a urinal game.
matman125 2 months ago
Oh Bob, that last bit around 10 min. 22 sec. is AWESOME. You had me in stitches bro. Or should I say brah :P Urinal racing?? Awesomesauce :D
stayfro123 2 months ago
i thought the metroid prime series was amazing and deeply immersive.
Xiphion 2 months ago
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Implying that the genre has nowhere to go but improved textures was perhaps a poor choice on your part. Even now, the genre is rich with interesting titles that disprove that claim. Both the Portal series and Mirror's Edge make radical changes to traditional gameplay, and are both considered to be a part of the FPS genre. Half-Life 2 and Bioshock represent huge milestones in game storytelling, both in the genre, and as games in general. Sorry that you feel that way, but I'm afraid you're wrong.
Garroh 2 months ago
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Garroh 2 months ago
You have more than 5 senses.
for example: you have a sense were your own hand is even if your eyes are closed.
And I would argue that the touch - sense is also involved in gaming.
you have to feel the keys on a keyboard to jump around the hotkeys in a strategy game.
my keyboard has special rubber keys to mark up down left right, wasd - so I can FEEL them.
you also get a jolt when the PS3 controller vibrates with force feedback.
HaploidCell 2 months ago
Dance central is the GOOD STUFF
Rpreditor00 2 months ago
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You can so tell he's an US 80's console kid before the 2 min mark of this video from his preferred genre list, cause as an 80's euro home computer kid I grew up playing his least favourite genre list.
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Here we are, folks. The last episode of the GOT before the storylines begin.
Abandon ship now. We're about to hit an iceberg.
ZZDaikun 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Most FPS' suck for the same reason why G4 sucks now. It used to mean something to be a gamer; things changed when games started to attract some other demographic that no one likes but dominates the market. Adolescent youths are the reason why we can't have nice things....
Now the only way to find a respectable team is to unplug yourself from Live and switch to PC. IMO they got better games anyway. Steam FTW!
CommissarTails 2 months ago
Dutch fuck yea!!!!
kidsteal 2 months ago
Minecraft. /thread
SnerdWilliams 2 months ago
@SnerdWilliams Minecraft isn't a first person shooter.
Slug99 2 months ago
id say the FPS brown realistic shooter would last an other 3-4 years at best, hopefully less
at best we'd see changes in 2 years
at first there were more and more bad FPS being sold since it was cheaper and easier to do
however most of those try to include a multyplayer and severly cuts the experience in half
by juging the timeline of FPS from 2000 to now, people are getting tired of the FPS genre mainly because the graphic department doesnt have anywhere to go futher
esfelectra 2 months ago 8
@esfelectra "Battlefield 3" is still amazing, though.
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@Markunator
it is,
id say Battlefield 3 is a small step up,
a bit of a miss step but still a step nonetheless,
mainly most FPS that try realism fail at realism,
Battlefield 3 tried to bring the War sucks message but did it half way with a not perfect
much like the main caracther was being taken down by buracrats it would have worked. If the story just had a much better villain and the game had a better backstory overall
realistic FPS have a long way to go before being good
esfelectra 2 months ago
@esfelectra id? id Software? After RAGE I don't trust anything they say.
ResurrectedTemplar 2 months ago
@ResurrectedTemplar
um...no
i would say = id say that etc etc
i run out of room in these boxes so i have to make shortcuts
i personally only buy FPS from Valve :P
i was tempted to buy and play Rage
but after people told me it was WORSE then Borderland
(a game i *REALLY* hated because 5 of my friends told me it was the best thing ever >_> )
i decided not to buy it
i dont really follow a lot of the game developer cycle as much as game journalist
esfelectra 2 months ago
@esfelectra Use apostrophes. Rage as a game is not bad - but PC version is horrible.
ResurrectedTemplar 2 months ago
@ResurrectedTemplar
id love to
hehe see what i did ^_^
but i was at around 490+ words message
so i dont use a lot of apostrophes like in the word ''dont''
sorry about the missunderstanding
esfelectra 2 months ago
4chan on the matrix...
DEAR GOD
THE HORROR
esfelectra 2 months ago
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I feel like I've just been insulted. How the hell do you go from "this doesnt mean i think all FPS fans are bad people" and "just my opinion" to "restraining order Rick and Dishonorable Discharge Dave" while implying that anyone who enjoys FPS games is an overly macho abusive asshole? For the record Bethesda has been making 1st person RPGs for 20 years. Maybe you should refrain from recording videos immediately after getting your ass kicked on X-Box live.
25xxfrostxx 2 months ago
Good points but Mirrors Edge is awesome though
ilpalozzo 2 months ago
I think the FPS genre has plenty of ways to go, most notably, going by the more arcadey-route like with Xotic. The problem is, very few developers and publishers are willing to experiment that far, because Call of Duty and Battlefield is too lucratively safe in comparison.
JoanMichele 2 months ago
I think the issue here is that you've shrank the scope of the analysis too much to those grizzled sci-fi space marines and millitary sim shooters. There were plenty of FPS games back in the day, and those released more recently that tries to expand on the formula or do something. Like say, the Serpent Rider games (Heretic, Hexen, Hexen 2), or Nitro Family, which tried to incorporate air-juggling mechanics, or Serious Sam XBox's combo system that ties into the extra lives system.
JoanMichele 2 months ago
Dude, I think you need to cut down on the hardcore stereotyping. To my knowledge, most people who like FPS games are fairly decent, normal people. I'm not saying that homophobic, racist, and bigoted assholes don't exist on Xbox Live. Of course they do, and they do make up a decent portion of the demographics these games try to target. That doesn't mean, though, you have the right to file the majority of hardcore gamers under that kind of title.
64films 2 months ago
I grew up on MS-DOS, so my tastes are skewed a bit more towards strategy and shooters than Bob's are. However, I do agree with him that there is a severe shortage of interesting FPS games. Yeah, there are a limited few around, but it's not good enough.
Too bad there isn't a way to run a shader over the rendering output of the less-colourful games to boost the colour saturation. It certainly works wonders on video footage from such games being played back in Media Player Classic.
Roxor128 2 months ago
mostly agreed. but you also have to remember in the 90s platformers were played out and most were terrible and uninspired just like the FPS genre is right now. honestly i have no clue what genre can take over right now...maybe fighting games? the only thing about fighters and strategy games is you actually have to think and that doesnt go over well with the general public (IE:COD players)
darkinertia2 2 months ago
I enjoy enjoy select FPS games, but you have made a very valid, well presented point. Very well spoken, sir.
tordek1265 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
personaly i think by the time modern warfare 4 comes out the fps craze will have reached its peek and start to go away
but i predict somthing else will take the new craze
posibly crime based sandbox games or open world rpgs
all eras in gaming have had genre crazes like how every one used to imertate streat fighter in the 90s
flarescarab777 2 months ago
bob get over it man the jocks that were the bane of your existence are now into games just like you. and further more the nerd-jock dynamic doesn't really exist anymore.
bigjavo36 2 months ago
I agree. Fuck FPS war games and fuck xbox live.
venger 2 months ago
wow, some people got offended by this...but the point is that he is right for the most part...the idea is that there are good games and there are bad games...even the FPS has it's good games like Half-life,Bioshock or DeusEx but the thing that spoils the experience,in my opinion, are the online communities, i mean not only the FPS has this problem, games like World of warcraft or League of Legends has the same problem...the online community...this ruins almost everything
cicinero 2 months ago
He must have said abut 10 times in there that it is just his OPINION. Give the man a break ...is he supposed to like ALL GENRES ...just because they exist? Yeah, I do like FPS ...I hate COD (lack of diversity) and I LOVE Battlefield... that is just OPINION ...I LOVE Zelda ...but I HATE all the cellshading crap they've recently done to it, so I'm not interested in those either.
All just opinions yo, we're all gamers, stop hating on others for having an opinion geez.
Guenton 2 months ago
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Bob you sound like a nintendo fanboy and i don't think it is in your favor in our eyes and what is wrong with prime series?
bafrali5561 2 months ago
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I like how he keeps bundling metroid prime in the FPS genre as if thats all it is. Its more like a first person adventure/platformer. Also the 'limitations' of the first person perspective are part of the charm. How much more creepy is prime sometimes when you CANT see all around you. Anyone playing the first two primes at least know fully well it is quite removed from eg COD.
Keanotix 2 months ago
@Keanotix But Metroid up to that point had been ALSO been about platforming. First-person kinda ruins the platforming. I'm glad they didn't add the Screw Attack in there or I'd go FFFFFFFFFF-
RocMegamanX 1 month ago
@RocMegamanX Err....dont play Prime 2 then...... :-P
Keanotix 1 month ago
@RocMegamanX Ok I do hear you there, platforming in FPS has always been a pain in the balls, Mirror's Edge (FPS?) tried to find out if it could be an entire game (a first person platformer) with mixed results. But for me, Metroid was always about exploring alien worlds from their beautiful vistas to their claustrophobic caverns. Im sorry, but exploring worlds feels better in a first person perspective (Skyrim?). I just disagree that Prime is bundled in with COD when it really shouldnt be.
Keanotix 1 month ago 4
@Keanotix If there were fewer games in the genre that dealt with jumping onto platforms, then I'd be on the side that disagrees with Moviebob, but I'm worried that that's not the case. I'm still unsure about Portal, Serious Sam, Bioshock, and Team Fortress 2 as well.
RocMegamanX 1 month ago in playlist More videos from moviebob
I said it before and I'll say it here, this is a rant against online gaming using the FPS genre as a scapegoat. Point of fact that sums up pretty much the entirety of his beefs: Rants against online culture using gaming as a misplaced point of reference to provide relevance. Not that he's wrong about online douchery mind, it's just that it's not gaming's - or FPS in this case - problem and certainly not its source.
Narratorway 2 months ago
Oh, Bob, you were doing so well. Why did you have to resort to strawman representations of the typical FPS user at the end? It makes your point so much less salient- you essentially sound like "OH NOOOO, MY SECRET CLUBHOUSE IS BEING INVADED BY THE NORMIES!! AHHHH!"
RainbowPowerRangerX 2 months ago
Besides all the controversy with this video, I do like how he pointed out that your controlling a gun, not a person, what was pretty interesting
jokamund 2 months ago
Why is there so much bitching? Are you really flipping the fuck out because he doesn't like games that you do? I love this show and Bob kicks ass, but if he says something I don't agree with, I don't flip my shit or even give it a second thought.
MetalasanArtForm 2 months ago
@MetalasanArtForm this is not bitching this is arguing.He blamed a whole genre and its players based on some jackasses with mics.So you don't like our argument.?Not a single fuck bro
bafrali5561 2 months ago
@MetalasanArtForm "All the bitching" is coming from Bob discounting the FPS genre wholesale and implying that it's inferior to the other genres both technically and in terms of quality.
Garroh 2 months ago
....Minecraft
thearthurshow 2 months ago
The whole FPS disaster will stop with Episode 3
exosfear512 2 months ago
could you guys... you know. Shut up? Or at least take it down 9 notches? Its one video. ABOUT FPS's! You act like he's denying the holocaust. Maybe if he got less crap from youtube he would make these more often. I disagree with his point a little too. But then I remember that its just fucking videogames and its almost christmas, so I DONT GET ANGRY. Entertaining video (that I got for free) Bob. Keep them coming.
4ta2r 2 months ago
Sorry Bob you can't keep gaming as some underground trend for Japanaphiles.
Gaming is big business now like the music and film industry, its got cater for everyone and I for one am glad of it.
1simo93521 2 months ago
@1simo93521 catering to everyone does not mean they just have to keep pumping out FP Shooters over and over
archerofyail 2 months ago
I like You Bob and I know you tried you best to be objective, but this came off as a more intelligent version of those Cartoon Network Rants, in that it just seemed that you don't like FPS games and modern gaming because it's not exactly like it was when you were a kid. Yes, there are tones of 12 year old trolls online, but not everyone online is. I've met some normal decent people, even met some of them in the real world on the launch of games like Gears 3 and COD: Black Ops.
Ironbat92 2 months ago
you honestly are really fucking uninformed, if you had ever actually... say jumped on COD, you would see, that there are actually alot of really nice people to meet online, just because you hear that kids are dicks online doesnt mean you know what you are talking about
tenaciousfilm 2 months ago
Why do you hate sports games so much? Do you just find them boring? If you do respond to this, please don't mention Madden. That series is the same every year.
LivingInTheCornfield 2 months ago
Metroid prime isnt even really a fps. Its like a FP adventure game. How come you didnt like it?
AVGN4EVR 2 months ago
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@AVGN4EVR I think it is clear why he doesn't like Metroid Prime: he is ideologically opposed to the first-person perspective in games.
Well, we can hardly expect the game overthinker to be open minded now can we? I think he uses the name ironically. I certainly detect some irony.
Treblaine 2 months ago
In addition: I forgot to add Sanctum to the list. As you can see there isn't just "Move forward and shoot"
Tarik360 2 months ago
> Call of Duty is the face of FPS
> Team Fortress 2, Killing Floor, Counter Strike series, Deus Ex series and Nuclear Dawn for example are not?
I love how you judge am entire community and game genre because of a mediocre FPS game with a shitty community and simplistic game-play while excluding those with at-least some taste.
P.S: Did I even Include Portal and Half life in this?
Tarik360 2 months ago
@Tarik360 yep hes pretty much ignoring what doesnt makes him right, just taking all the banal and generic fps like cod to make a generalization of the whole genre and people who likes it. i can live with the fact that there is people who doesnt like shooters, but critizise the whole genre without the full picture is just stupid
not cool bob
McFhurer 2 months ago
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Tarik360 2 months ago
You really should date the videos bob.
NeonDark 2 months ago
Guys, pointing out a first-person game that you enjoyed that doesn't rely on the same formula as Call of Duty or Halo does not destroy his argument. He recognizes that there are games in every genre that are worth playing. He wasn't insulting YOUR intelligence, he was insulting the intelligence of the racist, angry, insecure 10 to 25 year-olds on Xbox live that ruin people's perceptions of gamers like you and me who play a wide variety of games and enjoy the complexities of them.
sintra4 2 months ago
@sintra4 no he was implying the all fans of first person shooters are those online trolls and his appalling vile and disgusting offensive portrayal of fps fans is what gets people riled up and why we are throwing fit in the comments. Bob has way past the line here and the backlash is more than warranted. this his pet issue to be an offensive asshole on and he shows it. I am wanting for the day and so help me i know its coming when Bob achieves godwin on this. because then we win.
bigjavo36 2 months ago
@sintra4 There are many, many mature adults who play these games online. I think blaming certain psychological and sociological factors on the video game itself is a too convenient. We have to consider aspects of online gaming itself, like the cloak of anonymity or potentially poor parenting.
These kinds of people exist in all kinds of multiplayer games. My god, have you even played WoW or LoL? I think this is more an issue of online multiplayer itself instead of just the game.
Nodrog666 2 months ago 14
I realize this was recorded before it was put on YT, Bob, but in a couple of ways, I think you're right. I like FPSs, however, I think it's probably a sort of supply and demand paradox that kicks out some of us who want to see more than just shit-and-puke colors; people want more lackluster CoD/Halo/GoW rip-offs, the companies milk the cow, leaving those who want more pushed aside. Luckily, there's Team Fortress as an example, and there are a number of non shooter FPs. I can be wrong, though.
Dinker27 2 months ago
Skyrim proves him so very wrong....
Ryudamaru 2 months ago
@Ryudamaru No ones ever killed a dragon in a game before. Totally new thing to video games and I can see why everyones making a fuss about Skyrim(job)
vxbinaca 2 months ago
was amnesia out when you made this video? you should totally do an episode on it......
iamLI3 2 months ago
Uh, guys, he didn't say he didn't like First-person games...he said first-person SHOOTERS. Games like Skyrim and Bioshock are NOT the fps games he's talking about.
FerociousFox 2 months ago 21
@FerociousFox Well, BioShock -is- a shooter, but that's not its main shtick. I think. Otherwise, you're completely correct.
Trusseck 2 months ago
@FerociousFox BioShock is a FPS. Yeah, it had rpg elements, but, especially in comparison to System Shock, it was mostly a shooter. The rpg elements were limited.
Although I disagree with a lot of the points he made. While I agree about the gripes with COD and such, there are plenty of great FPS games. Plus, he admits to not being a PC gamer, to which there are many better FPS'.
WarningSDE 2 months ago
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@FerociousFox Bioshock IS an FPS. Everything he says about the inherent limitations of the perspective and the shooting emphasis apply to Bioshock Portal and Half Life.
MovieBob quite simply is a hater.
Treblaine 2 months ago
@FerociousFox Actually he specifically talks about the "fact" that there was only 1 FP game he thought of that didn't involve looking over the barrel of a gun. That's why I accuse him of A having a console centric view of gaming and B not doing a min amount of research. It took 5min to type "First Person Game -Shooter" into google and get a bunch of games I'd not heard of.
It starts at 4:52 and ends around 6:30. Non-shooter FP games aren't as rair as he seems to think they are.
Disthron 2 months ago 3
@FerociousFox Although you're right, Bioshock is still and FPS, with light RPG elements.
Garroh 2 months ago
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"Gods of the Golden Age" huh?
moviebob youre just a nintendo fanboy
GinGeeK 2 months ago
the only bad thing you said was the dumbass racist online ...everything else is just you not being a fan because you didnt/dont play them
GinGeeK 2 months ago
The more I listen to you, the more I feel like you've got a lot of nerd rage built up since grade school that causes you to lash out at anything that reminds you of the people who tormented you in your youth. Newsflash, unpleasant people exist everywhere. There are a lot jerks in every genre, even platformers.
Do I need to remind you of the glut of platformers in the industry back in the days of Mario and Metroid? Too much of any one this is always a bad thing, regardless of what it is.
TheSaylesMan 2 months ago
Humans have more than five senses. Just a fun fact. Nice video, thanks for posting!
Sardonac 2 months ago
All of this is like summing up 2d sidescrollers as walk to the right and jump. FPS' are fun and that's why people play them, not because of some bullshit macho fantasy fulfillment, assuming fans of the FPS genre are all into brown bland graphics, war, militarism and the ideology of the jock is staggeringly ignorant in contrast to most of your other opinions you have shared in your videos. Ever played Bioshock or Skyrim, the First Person perspective can immerse you in an environment like no other
TenderHistoryInRust 2 months ago
@TenderHistoryInRust He says in the video that he is not against gaming in the first person, he just doesn't care that much about FPSHOOTERS. So he's not talking about Skyrim (this video was really uploaded a few years before skyrim was even in the consumer's brain). He owns and likes Bioshock and said so in another one of his videos. However, as he said in the this video, pointing out only a few examples like Portal, Half-life, (or Bioshock) doesn't really change things.
artboy598 2 months ago
@TenderHistoryInRust This is not a video about how he thinks the abundance of games in the first person are doing the industry wrong. Just the gray-brown military shooter clones.
artboy598 2 months ago
My problem with fps is their lack of story with the exception of Halo. The fps currently have become the same thing dominating all other forms of creativity and because they make money Japanese companies are playing into it and ditching their other more creative titles for this money making trend. Just like mmos who are now also dominating RPG genre and destroying it. Online play in general is destroying the creativity that was a part of the gaming world. Limiting the games now to add on packs
Zeldaschampion 2 months ago
Also, don't forget: Chronicles of Riddick, which is less of a fps, and more of a first-person action adventure.
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beanerbut2 2 months ago
I find it really offensive that you blame the entire fps genre as the cause of a decline creativity in gaming. If the style of game you talk about were to occur on another MEDIUM, such as fps, would you be saying the same thing about that genre?
beanerbut2 2 months ago
I feel like Bob was targeting the wartime simulators that have been coming out in the past 10 years. I don't think he meant the ENTIRE genre, which yes, includes great titles like Bioshock, Amnesia, Thief, Elder Scrolls...etc etc.
They aren't just mindless run and gun games with no objective other than to kill the other person as quickly as possible, like the Modern Warfare games or Battlefield, Halo, etc etc. And if I remember correctly, those games were the main focus of his argument.
pmgallant 2 months ago
This isn't a rant about fps, its a rant about call of duty. What was the only fps shooter he showed in the background as ambiance?
Also, Mirror's Edge was great and... 8:57... uhm, wut? I don't even know where to start with that statement. For some reason, you basically just declared you're very much relevant point about the advantage of the third-person perspective as null. I don't even... I .. I'm really confused by this.
beanerbut2 2 months ago
over the shoulder shooter is where it's at
viking977 2 months ago
Much of what MovBob says has to be broad generalisations for the sake of time, inevitably that will upset some who are not aquainted with his style.
Throughout his time posting videos he's been one of the few guardians brave enough to raise awareness at the steady decline in the quality of games. I fear however in this episode he has has mistakenly targeted a genre as a reason, when its merely a tool in the modus operandi of a much larger over-arching agenda working behind the scenes.
Tactums 2 months ago
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You know, it's getting really hard to tell which of his episodes are the worst: the ones with ridiculous, unsupported, poorly thought out arguments or the ones with a heavy character/plot emphasis... or the ones with both. Off the top of my head, Thief, Elder Scrolls, Portal, LSD, Penumbra, Amnesia, and various mods like Dear Esther are all excellent first-person games with no shooting. Personally, I liked Mirror's Edge, but your mileage may vary. At least it was something new... unlike Zelda.
OuroborosChoked 2 months ago
@OuroborosChoked See I think that's what bothers me about Bob sometimes. He is often brilliant and clever, but can be hypocritical at times. Blaming COD for being the same game all the time is about as valid as blaming Zelda for being the same game all the time. The same could be said for World of Warcraft and other mmos or many puzzle games.
We all have our fixes, so can't we just live and let live?
Nodrog666 2 months ago
I've always disliked FPS. Even way back in the days of Wolfenstein3d. Just not my thing. But I have nothing against those who like it. I'll just keep playing my Red Ded Redemptions, Arkham Citys, and GTA clones. What's to complain about?
GUBMENTxCHEESE 2 months ago
i seen this argument from you before bob, and i mostly agree, but its more that were stuck on compedative shooters, not on the firs person perspective right now. if valve and bethesda can deliver first person games with a good campaign and no focus on online, why shoold the COD's ruwen that for us. and vanquish actually was even innovating within the shooting genre, of course it had to sacrifice online for the core game mechanics, but who cares for online...
ptwob 2 months ago
to those talking about amnesia,portal, and half life in the argument i think this orginally came out when that was new and also a few games does not make up for an army of metiocre FPS games
darkmyro 2 months ago
While it is true that there are PLENTY of games besides shooters that work from first-person (Minecraft being my personal favorite), that doesn't take away from Bob's point. FPS games are overplayed, overdone, and tend to be rather samey. The same could've been said of fighters or sidescrollers in the 90s.
I think the point where the biggest grin hit my face was on, "making me trudge through another Metroid Prime". I _know_, right? Every game in the Prime series bored the pants off of me!
ultimategcs 2 months ago
do an episode about shmups, more shmups! since it your nr 2 and my nr 1
ptwob 2 months ago
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Ask myself honestly?
Yes, it would be completely changed, I HAVE modded games that switch between third and first person and yes it completely changes everything.
I have a question for you.... have YOU ever played any FPS games? Seriously? I don't mean "tried it, don't like it" I mean REALLY given them a chance!
Pro tip: shooters are popular because SHOOTING IS FUN! More fun than crushing goombas, while it is scalable to aim with an in-line perspective.
"just my opinion"
unsubscribed.
Treblaine 2 months ago
@Treblaine This video is like one or two years old. Not saying you shouldn't unsubscribe, that's your decision. Bob was pretty much only saying he didn't like COD, which is pretty much the only footage he showed of FPS games during this video when it was new on Screw Attack 1-2 years ago. He also has mentioned having enjoyed playing Bioshock, he says he doesn't much care for FPS games. What he's probably saying is "I don't like COD, and the majority of people who play it"
TheGuyWhoIsSitting 2 months ago
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@TheGuyWhoIsSitting Well he doesn't just limit himself to Xbox Live communities of Halo and COD, what he say tars ALL FPS GAMERS with the same brush. That IS what he said!
He has clearly NEVER played a game on PC which IS regulated (by admins), the language is civil and the attitude is friendly. Almost every game (even Black Ops) ends with everyone saying typing "good game".
I don't have time to listen to such ignorance.
He has zero insight here for his inexperience & lack of comprehension.
Treblaine 2 months ago
@Treblaine You know, I've played PC games and I've dealt with a few people who I'd define as acting like twelve year olds, mic spamming stupid crap. I'm not saying everyone is like that and you know it's true that not everyone is like that. I never said Bob was right, I never said his opinion is better than everyone else's. I didn't even say you shouldn't unsubscribe. All I said was the majority of the things in this year to two year old video target XBLA FPS players.
TheGuyWhoIsSitting 2 months ago
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@TheGuyWhoIsSitting Yeah, "a few". A minority of people grief on regulated networks like you have on PC (PS: MW2 online PC is NOT regulated!). Those people are always minutes away from a kick or ban from server.
Yes, everything Moviebob says pretty much ONLY describe Xbox Live but he DOES NOT limit to just Xbox Live (nor mention how it's just as bad with THIRD person games like Gears of War) but denigrates ALL FPS gamers and the gamers themselves.
Cheap shot.
Treblaine 2 months ago
"I'm Bob, and that's the big picture."
cymonsgames 2 months ago
"making me trudge through another metroid prime gale"
Oh wow.
PipePlazaStudios 2 months ago
I suppose Amnesia: the Dark Descent is an anomaly or irrelevant to the argument?
jeloomis 2 months ago
kinda funny how this is getting more hate than "building a better gamer"
puklop 2 months ago
bob is completely RIGHT here. butthurt fps fans much?
7micktompson7 2 months ago
@7micktompson7 No, he's not. I'm not even a COD/Battlefield/Halo fan.
"Maybe I'd be more into a first person game that wasn't a shooter"
Thief 2. Probably the best first-person game to have come out in the late 90s/early 2000s. Not even a mention by Bob. Why? It doesn't fit his argument. Hell, System Shock 2 (which does have guns, but it's more of a survival horror/puzzle game) doesn't get a mention, either. His broad-brush argument here just suffers from that generalization...
OuroborosChoked 2 months ago