Why Libertarianism Fails Part 3

[JennJenification]

Thanks, Stef..I really appreciate your dogged pursuit to talk about such layered ideas & help people, especially we americans, to process things en mass. People like you who help to unlock minds are a huge asset, we libertarians may find ourselves severely persecuted in coming years, but the more people learn, the better chance to find safety in numbers. It will be harder for the palm hands to wage a successful campaign against the group if more & more people adopt these views or sympathize.

[JennJenification]

Ooo..gotta say, the stubble kinda works for you!

[VonHOG]

If immigration were a race issue then it wouldn't be a debate on immigration. I once held anti-illegal immigration views and they were not at all inspired by race. People who I know who shared this in common with me were not inspired by race either. For me at the time, it was about people being a drain on mandates, entitlements and education. Once I realized the bullshit of mandates, entitlements and coercing children into going to school, I realized the bullshit of immigration. @QuatFax

[QuatFax]

Plus, getting rid of the immigrants will drive down demand! Immigrants buy things, and if they aren't there buying things, businesses won't make as much in revenue and will thus have to cut payroll. Any increase in wages that comes from kicking out the immigrants is temporary at best.

[s0beit]

most libertarians wouldn't support a closed boarder policy anyway.

[VonHOG]

immigration law enforcement is not a race issue.

[QuatFax]

@VonHOG It absolutely is. There's no rational reason to enforce immigration laws; they're just another way for the government to fuck up the economy. The only reason people want immigration laws enforced is a racist (and fallacious) belief that Americans somehow deserve better jobs than Mexicans, Guatemalans, or Colombians.

[infokriegerBerlin]

as i said on the other clip... its all about to destroy the middleclass by exploiting the wellfarestate.... of course its not the fault of the immigrants..they just want a better live !

[Bliffosso]

Think about the political power illegal aliens could have if they where legal, perhaps voting for a islamist-fascist-party! And even when they are illegal they can still try to establish there islamist sharia-laws in the territories they live in. That would certanly not be good for liberal people...

[Hashishin13]

@Bliffosso Muslim immigrants are small minority in every country that has liberal people to be worried.

[Bliffosso]

Only a liberal or communist could be so naive in there wiev of illegal aliens!

Chaos with violence included could be nessesary if there´s a form of order that can´t be replaced by another order before it´s destroyed.

Every village should have the right to decide what kind of aliens they want as neighbours and wich ones they don´t. Just as you wouldn´t want strangers to forcing you to accept them living in your home!

If the aliens are criminals wouldn´t it be better to get them out

[Bliffosso]

before they commit horrible crimes (there´s no secret immigrants do far more crimes)? And you can´t defend yourself if your "nice" black man you live with kill you when you sleep. Better don´t let him in, in the first place then!

And to answer the topic-question here. Isn´t it good that someone is looking for if there´s enough job´s for the immigrants before we let them here? If there aren´t jobs of course they will survive on criminality (even if many of them with jobs are criminals too).

[mdshroom]

This man has totally misunderstood libertarianism. What he's talking about are not the pro market, socially liberal, non-interventionist ideas pursued by libertarians. What he's actually talking about are the hardline xenophobic public policies currently being pursued by conservatives specifically social conservatives which libertarians are not. He couldn't be any more wrong if it were his clear intention from the start. This author needs to do more homework before releasing his book.

[amaruIII]

things aren't making sense around the 20:00 part of this video.

if the dumbed down general public of today thinks "whites" have oppressed "minorities" then they're more stupid than i thought. it's just some individuals, which some might call "white", who have done this. sure, race is important to racist establishments and its oppressors, but believing that a racial/ethnic group of people are racialists is idiotic and racist.

also, stef could you clear up what you meant by just retribution?

[raptorkiller2k5]

@amaruIII. Remember, race isn't scientific. It's a socio-political construct and it's a pretty reliable measure of power. This government-backed mechanism has resulted to Americans opting for the "white" identity in order to access various privileges. One just has to look at the past to see examples.

[VincoEstMeusNomen]

I had never heard of you before mr stefbot. I opened the first set of "Why libertairian fails" videos in hopes of finding an adverse opinion to my libertarian views, However now, I've subscribed to your videos now, favorited them and shared them. Completely impressed, I'll be ordering your book shortly after i finish this message.

"Its windy here, and i like to be a part of it"

I love how incredibly semlessly articulate you are in these videos. one take

[trevor920]

is it the guy picking your fruit or the guy with the gun to your head you have to worry about:......brilliant

[detriplea]

Beard!

[randyguitarman13]

I am a minarchist. I go to this video to see a criticism of Libertarianism. I get an anti-government anarchist diatribe. It boils down to...I think...libertarian+support state=xenophobic racist...oh well

[odigity]

Do you disagree with any particular point of his argument?

Forgive me for a bit of speculation here: I think perhaps you're upset because you hold certain views (perhaps strong border defense?) that you believe to be common and/or just, and are not used to having them described in unpleasant terms. I believe that what Stefan is saying is that he believes those views are in fact not just or moral, and that shock is what offended you.

[odigity]

So it's not the offensiveness that is the real issue here. The real issue is - who is right? Is it right to consider "immigrants" as different, and to demonize them for not following a "legal" process, or is that in fact a form of xenophobia and bigotry that we ought to evolve past?

[GreedyGreddy]

Why does he equate this to Libertarianism? I believe it to be right-wing elements, which Libertarianism is not apart of this. I'm not a proponent of this philosophy but I think he is judging the wrong ideology.

[T850CSM101a1676]

Oh well. We all know socialism doesn't work in practice.

[schizoapriori]

why isn't this preached in, let's say, africa or china?

just curious.

[utubehayter]

The state has brainwashed everyone enough to dismiss this on first blush in parts of the world. The moment you say something like this - you are branded an idiot, a criminal and anti-social(anti-moral). Then forth, no one will consider your arguments with any element of rationality.

[Shandalaybgood]

mmmhmmm, mmmhmmm.

[Shandalaybgood]

woooooooooooooo, thank god i dont live in oklahoma, im safe! :D

[heywoodjablohme]

Amen, brother! I appreciate the propagation of intelligent memes. I also am against violence being done to people who move (immigrants), and their social networks. Libertarianism is a political philosophy that slowly grows in popularity with the gradual education of humanity. It is based solely on jury rights limiting the damage of collective force.

[snipa4lyfe]

Two things would completely eliminate these problems: abolish the minimum wage so the immigrants don't have a de facto competitive price advantage in the labor market, and then have a national standardized sales tax (removing income taxes, corporate taxes and so on) in order to eliminate said paper work for tax purposes.

[stefbot]

Actually, one thing: eliminate the government! :)

[T850CSM101a1676]

"Actually, one thing: eliminate the government! :)"

That doesn't add up. I thought this was about why libertarianism FAILS? BTW, it has never been tried, so therefore, one cannot assume that it fails without coming off as someone that doesn't know what they are talking about.

[pierre1050]

It has been successfully tried. In the USA it was introduced in 1787. It made the USA the biggest economical power in the world. Just learn something about the US constitution and about Ron Paul, and then you know it did work amazingly well, and that Ron Paul and the grassroots are working hard to spread the message of liberty, prosperity and peace.

[T850CSM101a1676]

That wasn't "libertarianism".

[ineffabelle]

Exactly. There is no agorist advantage in a free market.

In a restricted market, agorism always wins.

[OrbitalBlade]

yay, anarchy.

[adorianvlad]

Those "illegals that are picking blueberries for $2/hr" are making some crooks rich by avoiding taxes.

Those pickers, on the other hand must cheat others, too, provided not all bushes yield same lbs crop weight.

[adorianvlad]

that means instead of getting payed/hr they must cheat others skipping ahead towards the most yielded bushes from other's "lanes"

so they will get a few extra bucks, while others will not. Go do some "field research" Stef...

[qpvn401]

So even if Ron Paul were elected, there's no way he could get rid of the income tax?

[veryopenmind]

the problem is that the next president would be blamed for present policies, wich means that the congress would be a gang of neocons, who ppl would elect because the media would blame RP for the past. The best thing would be to get bush to change the constitution and run for 3rd term and completely destroy america, then ppl would have to turn off fox news and start participating in restarting the country from where it was in 1776.

[qpvn401]

Right on Stef.

[traog]

Isn't deficit financing a type of taxation without representation. Where the debt is paid by the next generation, who because either they haven't been born yet or are too young so they have no vote.

[stefbot]

I quite agree, except that all taxation is without representation... :)

[Ramitaylor]

What has any of this got to do with Libertarianism?

[stefbot]

This is part 3...

[Nielsio]

Excellent video, obviously.

[OppressorsBeware]

You should totally be teaching philosophy at U of T :)

[stefbot]

Haha, thanks, I tried... :)

[qpvn401]

Right on Stef.

[lemur257]

You were only in Miami for a weekend, and you're already sporting the "Miami Vice" unshaven face look? Pastels & speedboats are next, I suppose.

[batmanthe]

It seems to me that you don't understand that the elite of this country are hellbent on subsidizing and increasing illegal immigration to break down the United States Sovereignty. However I agree with you in part, ideally nations would not be nations at all. Under true libertarianism it would be more tribal in structure.

[batmanthe]

But as is I would much rather protect the United States. Though this can be done through libertarian ideals Hospitals, schools, private businesses should be able to turn away illegals and they would be less subsidized to come here.

[batmanthe]

Illegals take in 3 times the welfare of any other group. They can take multiple identities. The government says they are allowed to cut in line at hospitals. Police in Texas are told to leave them alone, so are the courts. They can get away with near anything.

[batmanthe]

In some states more than others of course..

[batmanthe]

In some states more than others of course..

[blastingcaps]

Has libertarianism ever actually been tried?

[CorrosionX3]

Only its bastardization: minarchism. As in the US Federal government. Huge failure, it grew even more tyrannical in about 200 years.

[DaveDoggOwns]

Yeah, our founding fathers did good.....but there was alot of disagreement when writing the constitution. Making our gov't a democracy was a mistake. Democracy leads to tyranny. Majority rule is a contradiction to freedom and the right to life, liberty, and property.

[CorrosionX3]

Well, government leads to tyranny all the time it's only a question of degree.