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Before hearing of this theory which is interesting and plausible, I always assumed it was the result of a large planetary object that kissed and rolled across the Martian surface. The cracks and surrounding trenches are the stress paths of the impact as it rolled. That would also explain rocks being lifted into Martian orbit. You would expect an initially large impact zone and a trench marking the roll path. A combo of both could also explain it as the objects met and discharged surfaces.
That was beast, thanks for the upload!:D And i have an opinion, isn't mars like got a ton of iron in it?? That would make it more conductent and "attractive" to electricity or lighting, idkk just a thought.
Some of this scarring reminds me of the scarring you get from various welding equipment on various materials so this idea is a very satisfying one alles clare.
I was wondering if there was an electrical constant that creates the golden ratio to permeate all phenomena? Because looking at the VM as a scar it seems that if a discharge hit the centre of the valley & moved both ways in a in a twisting motion, could the ratio 1:1.618 be imposed on the scar from the centre to the angles north & south?
I always wondered what could have caused the Martian trench. Even from my first sight of pictures of it, I thought about electromagnetic discharge, but at the time, it seemed too ridiculous.
You've seen my plasma surface sculpting example video, right?
youtu.be / watch?v=iLG8gKb-lyk
Besides electrostatic dirt-lifting, another possibility would be the atmospheric effects of a moonlet which reenters. Recall that "Libyan Desert Glass" LDG was created by the overflight of a very large meteor. If such an object can melt a big patch of desert to several inches depth, what would a reentering moon do on Mars? Liquify water. Evaporate frozen CO2. And only in a long stripe of land.
Having read Emmanuel Velikovsky many, many years ago this whole argument actually does make some sense. He proposed that another planet passed close to the earth in order to create the rapid changes evident in our geology. In that passing he stated something to the effect that huge electrical charges passed between us and the other body. Huge cataclysmic events occurred because of it. Why not the same sort of effect on Mars? Our larger size may have saved us Mar's fate.
@EltonJThe The grand canyon was formed in LIVING memory from vast lakes that emptied. The hopi indians remember it, The grand Canyon is VASTLY different from the canyons on mars (many of these don't have INLETS or OUTLETS) the grandcanyon was UNQUESTIONABLY formed by WATER. See walter browns HYDROPLATE theory for more information on that. Here's a link to a Massive online book. dubdubdub [dot]creationscience [dot] com / onlinebook / GrandCanyon [dot] html
the only thing i can say is remove water from earth and compare to mars! Water did not create the depths of our oceans,it just formed or found its way there through gravity.
very well done video. I had a physics professor in 1984 who, upon learning I was taking Astronomy 101, said "make sure he {the astronomy prof} doesn't keep you from seeing the forest for the trees." My physics professor was a believer in the electric model, and was trying to warn me about what I was going to be learning in Astronomy 101.
@MyOtherBeaver Not sure about 1), but 2) yes, Cronus and Saturn are referring to the same god and planet. 3) I think what they meant by this is that the Babylonian texts of Shamesh refer to the same object which would later be known as Saturn to the Romans. How they confirmed this is not explicitly stated. I would like to know myself.
i would like to know all what ancient knew and the things said they knew. i want to know how too. some reasonings fed just doesnt fit. more people are noticing that. one day will be fully aware.
@Sonoitadrifter I hope you've now had a chance to view more of the YouTube video segments. The "expanding earth" theory, whatever its merits, could not compete with the astonishing match between Martian surface features and the known morphology of electrical scars in the laboratory. See "When Meteorites fell from Mars," "The Thunderbolt that Raised Olympus Mons," and "The Lightning-Scarred Planet Mars" (Part 2 coming soon). The full sweep of evidence is all that counts in the end.
@MyOtherBeaver. It most definitely does have a mechanism weather you recognize it or not; andI like this plasma theory and there is not much tectonic activity on mars anyhow. It's interesting to me that that 'thunderbolts' think venus and possibly mars are much younger than earth. And I believe it because its hard to demonstrate growth on either planet. There just isn't the well defined continents and ridge-trench system between them; which suggests by the growth theory that they are young.
Did anyone stop to think maybe it hasn't been around for millions of years? If so, please pm me or something. Would really like to have an intelligent conversation with someone...
Very great video, eye opening for sure. I and others like me, make the distinction, however, that this is God's Wrath on a race of Fallen Angels so rebellious that they were splicing their unclean DNA with ours to create what is called in scriptures the nephilim. God's wrath was unleashed because of this heinous act and its going on again in our labs here on earth. I know how that sounds but read on to Matthew 24:37. The time is short and things rush on to the end.
While I do think that collisions occur, I'm not so sure that they would cause the formations of those canyons - Mars is smaller than Earth, so the likelihood of collision on a massive scale is less than that of the earths - less surface area = lower probability of impact.
I think that gravity is also a plausible explanation for the dichotomy - rather than the planet 'growing' [adding material], the external force of gravity pull the planets surface apart revealing under layers in some areas.
well... that's very interesting theory, I think if the cosmic thunderbolt ripped Valles Marineris there should be a chemical prove of it in the canyon itself, don't you think ? I think it would be for that a good place for landing of MSL rover what you think about it? could the MSL give some answers?
An electric, plasma, discharge is a seriously interesting hypothesis that needs thorough scientific research. When bringing into the equation our ancient so called myths of wars between the gods, the mind boggles at the power and force of the technologies involved. We only need to look closer to home to view the devastation that our own, be it primitive, destructive technologies create for an example. A high density plasma discharge weapon could possibly wipe out whole cities in seconds.
The crust of Mars's southern hemisphere is thicker & heavily bombarded with craters matches the direction our solar system travels in the Milky Way, to the south. See Solar Apex. This may be where the blunt of the material from outside the solar system is captured by gravity, what about Earth? NASA also confirmed our direction of travel with Voyager 1 and 2 spacecrafts, see images of suns heliosphere. What would happen if another planet or large comet like 17P/Holmes came too close to Mars?
I wish they would have taught us all of the possible theories in school and let us decide with the evidence. Trying to comprehend Gravity and random collision as a model for the Universe has failed and will continue to do so. Thank you gentlemen for going against the "Scientific" establishment and providing simple answers to our connection to each other and the Universe
I think the point he is making is that it appears to be excavated, but not in the usual sense- more like burned into the landscape of Mars. If that is the case, then it would seem to me that we are looking at a natural process and not a deliberate, mechanical, removal of crustal material.
@stripes5150 For decades we thought that space is a vacuum. Then, in the space age, we discovered that the entire universe is a sea of conductive plasma.
Space is a vaccum but that does not mean that there could not be streamers of plasmas that would react as florescent gasses in a vacuum tube, such as neon. If the atmosphere of Mars is thin enough and the plasmas discharged on the surface, wouldn't it be possible to get an arc that would form an artifact such as Valles Marinaris?
Very nice work.The same kind of scarring,the best I've seen outside of the grand canyon, is at the same place I find my anomalous ,alien type fossils.I was thinking that some of the fossils I found that are "burnt" were from a nuclear event(as written in the vedas) but I've been considering alsothey were meteories(the beings) and fell to earth ..or perhaps they were burnt by electrical forces.
@wavepsychic You mean the person that refers to Mars as "our sister planet" (at his website)!? That person explained something ... something incremental? I see.
@pvsheridan No I don't know of him calling Mars our sister planet. That's Venus and Mars is a guy god. He explains the features are geological. Earths Oceans are spreading at the rifts and the oceans are younger then the Continents. Neal explains that the dark cratered areas are older continental crust and the orange smooth lower stuff is where water would feel in if Mars had enough water and that it is younger. I think David is right about the Vails marinaus though.
@wavepsychic ?? So, you are unable to just look at Neal's homepage and read his description of Mars as "our sister planet" ?? Are you familiar with the term 'credibility'?
it looks like gold.or is it clay?the vallee runs from cal.to ny.what is it like on the opposite side of the planet.why wouldn't we get debris from mars.that's not such a far fetched idea is it?great video.
I really wanted to watch & listen to the information in this video but was totally distracted & annoyed by the overpowering, melodramatic & totally unneccessary soundtrack. I've found the same level of over-production in all your videos! Save yourself some time & money & stick to the words & science.
@ifergal, one thing that can never be achieved is an agreement on the role of music in a production such as this. But eliminating the breathing space and compressing it into a lecture would be disaster. Believe it or not, when asked, most people will have barely been aware of the music through 90 percent of the video. That's the accepted standard.
Another in an excellent series of presentations about our historical past. The structures on Mars are manifestly not the result of wind and water, or "planetary expansion."
For this theory to be taken with any seriousness, the author needs to explain a mechanism and back this up with some numbers, because nothing like these supposed interactions is presently happening anywhere in the observalble universe.
The video production is far better than the rigor of the thinking behind it.
@pine829, it does not appear that you've followed any of this work. The video presents images and facts, along with ONE interpretation that does make sense of them. Where's the problem? Saying that nothing comparable is happening "anywhere in the universe" is preposterous. Intense electrical discharge is occurring in every corner of the universe. Read THE ELECTRIC UNIVERSE (Thornhill and Talbott) and ELECTRIC SKY (Scott). The first requirement is observation and common sense, not "numbers."
@pine829 The problem here is- YOU haven't taken the time to investigate that there are volumes and volumes of evidence in support of this INTRODUCTORY movie. Your lack of scientific rigor in investigating this as a possibility before opening your opinionated yap is pretty hypocritical of you. :P
The rocks should be analyzed for signs of electrical forces acting upon them, crysstalline fractures due to piezoelectric forces, polarization, burnmarks, maybe metamorphosis.. and whatnot.
These rocks have been thrown around, if it was impact there should be signs of that in the rocks, by electrical excavation there should be no "hypersonic shockwave" effects?
Answer to Soundmind78 - The electric charge came from a close approach by another body. Any body that is capable of a large enough potential charge to do that much damage.
Absolutely fascinating. I am a long time follower of the Thunderbolts Series and I'm stunned that kids today are STILL taught that space is an empty vacuum DESPITE ALL the evidence to the contrary provided . Even though text books are proven false, there is little impetus to alter pre- conditioned scientific notions espoused by agencies like NASA.
Incredibly valuable Information in this video. (Y) Thumbs Up
@CoreOfTheSpiral Possible, but highly unlikely. This video provides a more economical, reasonable, and verifiiable explanation - electrical scarring as planetary plasmaspheres interacted during periods of planetary instability. Sparks jumped between planets (aka The Thuderbolts of The Gods)!
-Excellent new edition to the series. I've gone through thousand of mars images over the years and a huge "ah ha!" moment when i ran across the plasma/electric model. plenty of this plasma-arc carving can be found on earth as well. fire up google earth and "look" at similar geological features on earth with "electric eyes" Once you take the time to understand plasma, and the electric model, -you will see *everything* in a whole new aspect. it's fundamentals are found in *everything* -s
What if there was a "super weapon" let's say...millions of years ago, just like star wars, to wipe out the Mars industrial complex, and some strange frags have been caught on the rover cameras lately?
this comment is after a few brewskies, so please understand
...You should read Eric VonDanniken's 'Chariots Of The Gods' - Eric contends that this (civilization advancing technology) has all happened before, perhaps repeatedly! There is certainly plenty of time to allow for it - and it's a bold theory, we get so far along then boom! Either self-destruction or some natural event sends us back to the stone-age to begin again with a handful of survivers.
What if there was a "super weapon" let's say...millions of years ago, just like star wars, to wipe out the Mars industrial complex, and some strange frags have been caught on the rover cameras lately?
Same here. I'm sure they know exactly what caused VM and it's probably something like what's described in this video. But to acknowledge that would overthrow their entire globally condoned universal scientific theory. As well as being open to possibility, we all know science can be among the most rigidly closed-minded traditional institutions. Especially when it comes to research funding.
Shouldn't there also be a lot of "glass particles" on the Martian surface if it was hit with an electric bolt that gigantic? It would have melted millions and millions of tons of rock and soil - plus wouldn't it have also vaporized a lot of surface material that would have settled back down as very fine sand or dust?
@OlymPigs2010 Glass forms in silicate soil. In the martian iron-rich environment, you get hematite spherules rather than silicate glass spherules. This has been experimentally proven also by C.J Ransom by blasting equivalent iron content soil with an electrical arc, and producing 'blueberries', just like what litter Mars everywhere.
Excellent video......one name stands out...professor James McCanney....In this wonderful video though they NEVER say what caused the massive electrical discharge. McCanney explains ALL of that. Discharging the solar capacitor and the end of the Comets are dirty snowball theory is over.
I would think that an electric discharge would occur if a large asteroid were to pass near the planet mars at some point, but given the many colorfull photos presented in some of your other videos here as plasma does this imply other sources of an electric discharge that could account for the curious features on the surface of mars?
Out of respect for the seriousness of issues posed in this video, please restrict comments to the subject presented. We will remove irrelevant or juvenile comments while welcoming all thoughtful observations or criticism.
From what and where would a discharge of the magnitude necessary have emanated? What are the mechanics for the buildup of such a charge? Did it come from the sun? The galactic core? Alien tesla coil?
@Soundmind78 as we note in the description, this video is part of Episode Two of "Symbols of an Alien Sky." The subject is the Electric Universe hypothesis and the related theme of planetary instability in the past. Many aspects of these topics are covered in related Thunderbolts Project videos--at least sufficiently to suggest the direction that answers will take.
...At least two astronomers have proposed that Mars was once one of two moons of a planet which exploded to form the (two) asteroid belts now orbiting the sun between Mars & Jupiter. One belt comprising the remains of the one moon & the other belt is whats left of the former planet which largely vaporised.
...Such an event explains the much thicker crust of Mars' southern hemishere (from the blast) at a time when Mars' equater was 90 degrees to it's present location -
...Such an event would also be ripe for an electrical arc to occur between the (then) Mars moon & the former planet? The same astronomers (I don't recall their names) contend that comets are returning visitors from that event - perhaps ten million years ago.
...The one modern day astronomer accurately predicted many characteristics of asteroids (later confirmed) based on this exploding planet theory originally proposed around 1890.
...The same astronomer also predicted that other solar bodies (positioned correctly at the time) should be later found covered in soot. Sure enough, a fly-by of Uranus revealed a moon with an entire hemishere black with soot.
...Tesla informs us that our modern physical model of electricity is flawed by too few equations and that Maxwell's model (comprising 22 equations?) is correct.
...I think that the nuclear people are more caught up in cash-flow than they are science.
@SpinalTracker That's an interesting idea. I wonder if they could find any similar scarring on some of the moons of Jupiter which could have been caused by discharges between Jupiter and the moons. If evidence like that could be found then that would also promulgate the idea that the asteroid belt is the leftover remains of an ancient planet (Rather than the other explanation that it's the remnants of a planet which never quite formed in the first place). At any rate; good stuff!
Ok it says surface spreading is not possible. why not? surface spreading could also be caused by different elements interacting, atomic expansion, evaporation,or temperature of core changes over time. electric arc is a decent theory as well, agreed,especially due to the craters being mostly filled with dirt.
@fedtheend we've made no claim that surface spreading is impossible. But there is no known example of surface spreading that has ever created a surface morphology comparable to that of Valles Marineris. This fact alone makes the precise match of the VM to electric discharge patterns well worth following. Also, please understand that there is much more to be said on this point.
@fedtheend Where/when exactly does the narrator state that "surface spreading is not possible"?
Surface spreading is discussed, but never does this video claim that such is "not possible."
In fact the key issue (albeit a not-so-subtle one) is that humanity projects its existing dogmatic knowledge base, and only that base, upon phenomenon that lacks explanation. When that routine fails, it sometimes resorts to alleging that the "iconoclasts" have made statements that they never made. Hmmm.
What about a change in diameter of the planet to expand over eons that would cause what appear to be canyons? this could be caused by either atoms expanding or temperature of core changes over time.
Intriguing, and very impressive. This certainly makes far more sense than past orthodoxy. It will also require a paradigm shift in thinking and investigation into the mysteries not only on Mars, but on Earth as well. Thank you for this presentation.
mars is really so mysterious. until now they cant understand mars?
lovelplants 1 month ago
But maybe there was a giant squid attacking mars!! Leaving scars and suction cup imprints!!!! o_O
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i been saying ever since the pictures of mars surfaced the web, that mars looked like earth.
Spright0 5 months ago
excellent thank you so much,
andielines 5 months ago
Before hearing of this theory which is interesting and plausible, I always assumed it was the result of a large planetary object that kissed and rolled across the Martian surface. The cracks and surrounding trenches are the stress paths of the impact as it rolled. That would also explain rocks being lifted into Martian orbit. You would expect an initially large impact zone and a trench marking the roll path. A combo of both could also explain it as the objects met and discharged surfaces.
ocramnodroc 5 months ago
That was beast, thanks for the upload!:D And i have an opinion, isn't mars like got a ton of iron in it?? That would make it more conductent and "attractive" to electricity or lighting, idkk just a thought.
Skateforlife5289 7 months ago
@Skateforlife5289 exactly and maybe that is why such electrical impulse did hit mars instead of the earth
groldolify 5 months ago
Some of this scarring reminds me of the scarring you get from various welding equipment on various materials so this idea is a very satisfying one alles clare.
I was wondering if there was an electrical constant that creates the golden ratio to permeate all phenomena? Because looking at the VM as a scar it seems that if a discharge hit the centre of the valley & moved both ways in a in a twisting motion, could the ratio 1:1.618 be imposed on the scar from the centre to the angles north & south?
stiffex 8 months ago
Thanks for this explanation it is so interesting and amazing!
Veetina 8 months ago
I always wondered what could have caused the Martian trench. Even from my first sight of pictures of it, I thought about electromagnetic discharge, but at the time, it seemed too ridiculous.
I had not yet read Velikovsky, lol.
Thanks so much for solving the mystery.
950horsepower 9 months ago
Worth the watch
JamwithBands 9 months ago
You've seen my plasma surface sculpting example video, right?
youtu.be / watch?v=iLG8gKb-lyk
Besides electrostatic dirt-lifting, another possibility would be the atmospheric effects of a moonlet which reenters. Recall that "Libyan Desert Glass" LDG was created by the overflight of a very large meteor. If such an object can melt a big patch of desert to several inches depth, what would a reentering moon do on Mars? Liquify water. Evaporate frozen CO2. And only in a long stripe of land.
wbeaty 11 months ago
Having read Emmanuel Velikovsky many, many years ago this whole argument actually does make some sense. He proposed that another planet passed close to the earth in order to create the rapid changes evident in our geology. In that passing he stated something to the effect that huge electrical charges passed between us and the other body. Huge cataclysmic events occurred because of it. Why not the same sort of effect on Mars? Our larger size may have saved us Mar's fate.
topographic1973ify 11 months ago
Thunderbolts team, wasn't the Grand Canyon carved by a similar natural force? A cosmic thunderbolt?
EltonJThe 11 months ago
@EltonJThe The grand canyon was formed in LIVING memory from vast lakes that emptied. The hopi indians remember it, The grand Canyon is VASTLY different from the canyons on mars (many of these don't have INLETS or OUTLETS) the grandcanyon was UNQUESTIONABLY formed by WATER. See walter browns HYDROPLATE theory for more information on that. Here's a link to a Massive online book. dubdubdub [dot]creationscience [dot] com / onlinebook / GrandCanyon [dot] html
9114steve 5 months ago
the only thing i can say is remove water from earth and compare to mars! Water did not create the depths of our oceans,it just formed or found its way there through gravity.
droy77 11 months ago
like it, nice vid
chellsian 11 months ago
its beautiful. thanks for sharing.
Jrockershadow 1 year ago
very well done video. I had a physics professor in 1984 who, upon learning I was taking Astronomy 101, said "make sure he {the astronomy prof} doesn't keep you from seeing the forest for the trees." My physics professor was a believer in the electric model, and was trying to warn me about what I was going to be learning in Astronomy 101.
genogeno1234 1 year ago
Hi I have been following this and reading up for a year or so now but I keep having the same questions
1.Jupiter the roman god was really a planet but also the planet Jupiter upon its discovery was named after him.Co-incidence of a lifetime?
2.Saturn is named after the Roman god Saturn, equated to the Greek Cronus.Another Co-incidence???
3.Shamash is the planet Saturn - Babylonian texts
How could babylonian texts say this when Saturn was not named then??
AAAAARGGH please help I neeeed 2 know!!!
MyOtherBeaver 1 year ago
@MyOtherBeaver Not sure about 1), but 2) yes, Cronus and Saturn are referring to the same god and planet. 3) I think what they meant by this is that the Babylonian texts of Shamesh refer to the same object which would later be known as Saturn to the Romans. How they confirmed this is not explicitly stated. I would like to know myself.
0rthogonal 1 year ago
@0rthogonal
i would like to know all what ancient knew and the things said they knew. i want to know how too. some reasonings fed just doesnt fit. more people are noticing that. one day will be fully aware.
Jrockershadow 1 year ago
I like the growing earth theory better. Vales Marinarus is nowhere near as big as the mid ocean trench and ridge system that is on earth.
Sonoitadrifter 1 year ago
@Sonoitadrifter I hope you've now had a chance to view more of the YouTube video segments. The "expanding earth" theory, whatever its merits, could not compete with the astonishing match between Martian surface features and the known morphology of electrical scars in the laboratory. See "When Meteorites fell from Mars," "The Thunderbolt that Raised Olympus Mons," and "The Lightning-Scarred Planet Mars" (Part 2 coming soon). The full sweep of evidence is all that counts in the end.
Enceladus324 1 year ago
I like the growing earth theory better.
Sonoitadrifter 1 year ago
@Sonoitadrifter could be the same thing bud!!! Growing Earth has no mechanism as of yet!! :-)
MyOtherBeaver 1 year ago
@MyOtherBeaver. It most definitely does have a mechanism weather you recognize it or not; andI like this plasma theory and there is not much tectonic activity on mars anyhow. It's interesting to me that that 'thunderbolts' think venus and possibly mars are much younger than earth. And I believe it because its hard to demonstrate growth on either planet. There just isn't the well defined continents and ridge-trench system between them; which suggests by the growth theory that they are young.
Sonoitadrifter 1 year ago
@Sonoitadrifter yeh im sold it was just a few question s that are bugging me I read all the growing earth debates on the thuderbolts forums :-)
MyOtherBeaver 1 year ago
Did anyone stop to think maybe it hasn't been around for millions of years? If so, please pm me or something. Would really like to have an intelligent conversation with someone...
AScreamingYeti 1 year ago
i wonder how much heat would be generated by such an arc/...........would not the arc create a bunch of glass?
anolmec 1 year ago
Very great video, eye opening for sure. I and others like me, make the distinction, however, that this is God's Wrath on a race of Fallen Angels so rebellious that they were splicing their unclean DNA with ours to create what is called in scriptures the nephilim. God's wrath was unleashed because of this heinous act and its going on again in our labs here on earth. I know how that sounds but read on to Matthew 24:37. The time is short and things rush on to the end.
MacRyno 1 year ago
While I do think that collisions occur, I'm not so sure that they would cause the formations of those canyons - Mars is smaller than Earth, so the likelihood of collision on a massive scale is less than that of the earths - less surface area = lower probability of impact.
StephenWebb1980 1 year ago
I think that gravity is also a plausible explanation for the dichotomy - rather than the planet 'growing' [adding material], the external force of gravity pull the planets surface apart revealing under layers in some areas.
StephenWebb1980 1 year ago
well... that's very interesting theory, I think if the cosmic thunderbolt ripped Valles Marineris there should be a chemical prove of it in the canyon itself, don't you think ? I think it would be for that a good place for landing of MSL rover what you think about it? could the MSL give some answers?
mateuszlee 1 year ago
does anyone think that any of the extra missing mass ended up on earth by chance ;D
H0B0J03 1 year ago
An electric, plasma, discharge is a seriously interesting hypothesis that needs thorough scientific research. When bringing into the equation our ancient so called myths of wars between the gods, the mind boggles at the power and force of the technologies involved. We only need to look closer to home to view the devastation that our own, be it primitive, destructive technologies create for an example. A high density plasma discharge weapon could possibly wipe out whole cities in seconds.
dawes777 1 year ago
The crust of Mars's southern hemisphere is thicker & heavily bombarded with craters matches the direction our solar system travels in the Milky Way, to the south. See Solar Apex. This may be where the blunt of the material from outside the solar system is captured by gravity, what about Earth? NASA also confirmed our direction of travel with Voyager 1 and 2 spacecrafts, see images of suns heliosphere. What would happen if another planet or large comet like 17P/Holmes came too close to Mars?
GateMessenger 1 year ago
I wish they would have taught us all of the possible theories in school and let us decide with the evidence. Trying to comprehend Gravity and random collision as a model for the Universe has failed and will continue to do so. Thank you gentlemen for going against the "Scientific" establishment and providing simple answers to our connection to each other and the Universe
mexiborica19 1 year ago
@calebp9503
I think the point he is making is that it appears to be excavated, but not in the usual sense- more like burned into the landscape of Mars. If that is the case, then it would seem to me that we are looking at a natural process and not a deliberate, mechanical, removal of crustal material.
uncleezra1 1 year ago
you see the new plasma bubbles around the "black hole" in the middle of this galaxy?
kenny8331 1 year ago
@kenny8331 Yup, They further contradict black hole theory
mexiborica19 1 year ago
What gas is the plasma discharging in? Space is a vacuum.
stripes5150 1 year ago
@stripes5150 For decades we thought that space is a vacuum. Then, in the space age, we discovered that the entire universe is a sea of conductive plasma.
Enceladus324 1 year ago
@stripes5150
Space is a vaccum but that does not mean that there could not be streamers of plasmas that would react as florescent gasses in a vacuum tube, such as neon. If the atmosphere of Mars is thin enough and the plasmas discharged on the surface, wouldn't it be possible to get an arc that would form an artifact such as Valles Marinaris?
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Enceladus324 1 year ago
Very nice work.The same kind of scarring,the best I've seen outside of the grand canyon, is at the same place I find my anomalous ,alien type fossils.I was thinking that some of the fossils I found that are "burnt" were from a nuclear event(as written in the vedas) but I've been considering alsothey were meteories(the beings) and fell to earth ..or perhaps they were burnt by electrical forces.
humanswin 1 year ago
A very compelling analysis
HandyBendyGandhi 1 year ago
Yeah definitely fits with God's Word. That kind of judgement is coming soon to earth as well.
Ryno706 1 year ago
Wow go and watch The Origin of Evil by Chuck Missler, its long but so worth it.
Ryno706 1 year ago
Dear Thunderbolt. Does David Talbott not know that Neal Adams already explained all this?
wavepsychic 1 year ago
@wavepsychic You mean the person that refers to Mars as "our sister planet" (at his website)!? That person explained something ... something incremental? I see.
pvsheridan 1 year ago
@pvsheridan No I don't know of him calling Mars our sister planet. That's Venus and Mars is a guy god. He explains the features are geological. Earths Oceans are spreading at the rifts and the oceans are younger then the Continents. Neal explains that the dark cratered areas are older continental crust and the orange smooth lower stuff is where water would feel in if Mars had enough water and that it is younger. I think David is right about the Vails marinaus though.
wavepsychic 1 year ago
@wavepsychic ?? So, you are unable to just look at Neal's homepage and read his description of Mars as "our sister planet" ?? Are you familiar with the term 'credibility'?
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
@pvsheridan
who in gaias name is neal adams?
what is his website?
NastyGreaser 1 year ago
I feel the force...!!!!
brahmin21 1 year ago
Excellent - can't wait for the DVD.
WeirdConference 1 year ago
Fantastic... can't wait until the dvd is out
WeirdConference 1 year ago
I look forward to this new video, and hope it is released soon.
ETSubmariner 1 year ago
Another great video. Compulsory viewing for any critical thinker.
soupdragon42 1 year ago
I never thought that in my lifetime Mars would go from barren rock to become the reason for the unveil of revelations that just amaze and thrill me.
wuli333 1 year ago
@KalEdDJ Well, luckily for you, there's always "reality TV."
bluesojourn 1 year ago
it looks like gold.or is it clay?the vallee runs from cal.to ny.what is it like on the opposite side of the planet.why wouldn't we get debris from mars.that's not such a far fetched idea is it?great video.
glrcmptn 1 year ago
I really wanted to watch & listen to the information in this video but was totally distracted & annoyed by the overpowering, melodramatic & totally unneccessary soundtrack. I've found the same level of over-production in all your videos! Save yourself some time & money & stick to the words & science.
Leave the music & drama to Lady GaGa!
ifergal 1 year ago
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@ifergal, one thing that can never be achieved is an agreement on the role of music in a production such as this. But eliminating the breathing space and compressing it into a lecture would be disaster. Believe it or not, when asked, most people will have barely been aware of the music through 90 percent of the video. That's the accepted standard.
Enceladus324 1 year ago
In all seriousness this video is awesome. Not just the editing/presentation but also the ideas are beautiful.
guitquick 1 year ago 2
Another in an excellent series of presentations about our historical past. The structures on Mars are manifestly not the result of wind and water, or "planetary expansion."
stephenrichardsmith 1 year ago
Speculation piled upon speculation.
For this theory to be taken with any seriousness, the author needs to explain a mechanism and back this up with some numbers, because nothing like these supposed interactions is presently happening anywhere in the observalble universe.
The video production is far better than the rigor of the thinking behind it.
pine829 1 year ago
@pine829, it does not appear that you've followed any of this work. The video presents images and facts, along with ONE interpretation that does make sense of them. Where's the problem? Saying that nothing comparable is happening "anywhere in the universe" is preposterous. Intense electrical discharge is occurring in every corner of the universe. Read THE ELECTRIC UNIVERSE (Thornhill and Talbott) and ELECTRIC SKY (Scott). The first requirement is observation and common sense, not "numbers."
Enceladus324 1 year ago 2
@pine829 The problem here is- YOU haven't taken the time to investigate that there are volumes and volumes of evidence in support of this INTRODUCTORY movie. Your lack of scientific rigor in investigating this as a possibility before opening your opinionated yap is pretty hypocritical of you. :P
mharratsc 1 year ago 3
The rocks should be analyzed for signs of electrical forces acting upon them, crysstalline fractures due to piezoelectric forces, polarization, burnmarks, maybe metamorphosis.. and whatnot.
These rocks have been thrown around, if it was impact there should be signs of that in the rocks, by electrical excavation there should be no "hypersonic shockwave" effects?
Kenzofeis 1 year ago
war on mars. many scars.
TheLoyalhuman 1 year ago
Answer to Soundmind78 - The electric charge came from a close approach by another body. Any body that is capable of a large enough potential charge to do that much damage.
CelticSouthland 1 year ago
This is simply brilliant. I'll be sure to check out the rest of your videos.
zapproowsdower 1 year ago
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zapproowsdower 1 year ago
very cool
blossombogart2 1 year ago
Absolutely fascinating. I am a long time follower of the Thunderbolts Series and I'm stunned that kids today are STILL taught that space is an empty vacuum DESPITE ALL the evidence to the contrary provided . Even though text books are proven false, there is little impetus to alter pre- conditioned scientific notions espoused by agencies like NASA.
Incredibly valuable Information in this video. (Y) Thumbs Up
StopFundingIsrael 1 year ago 2
Are there any obvious sites of electrical scarring on earth?
ubergeraldine 1 year ago
Some of us know what caused it
elfling 1 year ago
@elfling could it b nibiru?what i am thinking
tardam1 1 year ago
Awesome David!
PTTurboe 1 year ago
Very convincing.
pentas 1 year ago
Another fascinating and compelling video.
soupdragon42 1 year ago
Possibly the result of war by ancient technologically advanced civilizations.
CoreOfTheSpiral 1 year ago
@CoreOfTheSpiral Possible, but highly unlikely. This video provides a more economical, reasonable, and verifiiable explanation - electrical scarring as planetary plasmaspheres interacted during periods of planetary instability. Sparks jumped between planets (aka The Thuderbolts of The Gods)!
soupdragon42 1 year ago 3
soundwash1 1 year ago
What if there was a "super weapon" let's say...millions of years ago, just like star wars, to wipe out the Mars industrial complex, and some strange frags have been caught on the rover cameras lately?
this comment is after a few brewskies, so please understand
kworld01 1 year ago
@kworld01
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...You should read Eric VonDanniken's 'Chariots Of The Gods' - Eric contends that this (civilization advancing technology) has all happened before, perhaps repeatedly! There is certainly plenty of time to allow for it - and it's a bold theory, we get so far along then boom! Either self-destruction or some natural event sends us back to the stone-age to begin again with a handful of survivers.
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SpinalTracker 1 year ago
@SpinalTracker
...'survivors' that is -
SpinalTracker 1 year ago
What if there was a "super weapon" let's say...millions of years ago, just like star wars, to wipe out the Mars industrial complex, and some strange frags have been caught on the rover cameras lately?
kworld01 1 year ago
I just know that I don't trust NASA. (never a strait answer)
Martins2012 1 year ago
@Martins2012
Same here. I'm sure they know exactly what caused VM and it's probably something like what's described in this video. But to acknowledge that would overthrow their entire globally condoned universal scientific theory. As well as being open to possibility, we all know science can be among the most rigidly closed-minded traditional institutions. Especially when it comes to research funding.
SJamesGray 1 year ago
Shouldn't there also be a lot of "glass particles" on the Martian surface if it was hit with an electric bolt that gigantic? It would have melted millions and millions of tons of rock and soil - plus wouldn't it have also vaporized a lot of surface material that would have settled back down as very fine sand or dust?
OlymPigs2010 1 year ago
@OlymPigs2010 Glass forms in silicate soil. In the martian iron-rich environment, you get hematite spherules rather than silicate glass spherules. This has been experimentally proven also by C.J Ransom by blasting equivalent iron content soil with an electrical arc, and producing 'blueberries', just like what litter Mars everywhere.
mharratsc 1 year ago 5
Excellent video......one name stands out...professor James McCanney....In this wonderful video though they NEVER say what caused the massive electrical discharge. McCanney explains ALL of that. Discharging the solar capacitor and the end of the Comets are dirty snowball theory is over.
triplew(dot)jmccanneyscience(dot)com
Planetgonenuts 1 year ago
very good, you guys are exactly right. Thanks for sharing!
homebuiltindoorplane 1 year ago
maybe the ancient made their version of a Hadron Collider
redgreen303 1 year ago
I would think that an electric discharge would occur if a large asteroid were to pass near the planet mars at some point, but given the many colorfull photos presented in some of your other videos here as plasma does this imply other sources of an electric discharge that could account for the curious features on the surface of mars?
fedtheend 1 year ago
Out of respect for the seriousness of issues posed in this video, please restrict comments to the subject presented. We will remove irrelevant or juvenile comments while welcoming all thoughtful observations or criticism.
ThunderboltsProject 1 year ago 29
From what and where would a discharge of the magnitude necessary have emanated? What are the mechanics for the buildup of such a charge? Did it come from the sun? The galactic core? Alien tesla coil?
Soundmind78 1 year ago
@Soundmind78 as we note in the description, this video is part of Episode Two of "Symbols of an Alien Sky." The subject is the Electric Universe hypothesis and the related theme of planetary instability in the past. Many aspects of these topics are covered in related Thunderbolts Project videos--at least sufficiently to suggest the direction that answers will take.
ThunderboltsProject 1 year ago 4
@ThunderboltsProject
...At least two astronomers have proposed that Mars was once one of two moons of a planet which exploded to form the (two) asteroid belts now orbiting the sun between Mars & Jupiter. One belt comprising the remains of the one moon & the other belt is whats left of the former planet which largely vaporised.
...Such an event explains the much thicker crust of Mars' southern hemishere (from the blast) at a time when Mars' equater was 90 degrees to it's present location -
SpinalTracker 1 year ago
@SpinalTracker
...Such an event would also be ripe for an electrical arc to occur between the (then) Mars moon & the former planet? The same astronomers (I don't recall their names) contend that comets are returning visitors from that event - perhaps ten million years ago.
...The one modern day astronomer accurately predicted many characteristics of asteroids (later confirmed) based on this exploding planet theory originally proposed around 1890.
SpinalTracker 1 year ago
@SpinalTracker
...The same astronomer also predicted that other solar bodies (positioned correctly at the time) should be later found covered in soot. Sure enough, a fly-by of Uranus revealed a moon with an entire hemishere black with soot.
...Tesla informs us that our modern physical model of electricity is flawed by too few equations and that Maxwell's model (comprising 22 equations?) is correct.
...I think that the nuclear people are more caught up in cash-flow than they are science.
SpinalTracker 1 year ago
@SpinalTracker That's an interesting idea. I wonder if they could find any similar scarring on some of the moons of Jupiter which could have been caused by discharges between Jupiter and the moons. If evidence like that could be found then that would also promulgate the idea that the asteroid belt is the leftover remains of an ancient planet (Rather than the other explanation that it's the remnants of a planet which never quite formed in the first place). At any rate; good stuff!
sqwuade 1 year ago
Ok it says surface spreading is not possible. why not? surface spreading could also be caused by different elements interacting, atomic expansion, evaporation,or temperature of core changes over time. electric arc is a decent theory as well, agreed,especially due to the craters being mostly filled with dirt.
fedtheend 1 year ago
@fedtheend we've made no claim that surface spreading is impossible. But there is no known example of surface spreading that has ever created a surface morphology comparable to that of Valles Marineris. This fact alone makes the precise match of the VM to electric discharge patterns well worth following. Also, please understand that there is much more to be said on this point.
ThunderboltsProject 1 year ago 7
@fedtheend Where/when exactly does the narrator state that "surface spreading is not possible"?
Surface spreading is discussed, but never does this video claim that such is "not possible."
In fact the key issue (albeit a not-so-subtle one) is that humanity projects its existing dogmatic knowledge base, and only that base, upon phenomenon that lacks explanation. When that routine fails, it sometimes resorts to alleging that the "iconoclasts" have made statements that they never made. Hmmm.
pvsheridan 1 year ago 6
@pvsheridan your an idiot
ursodus 1 month ago
What about a change in diameter of the planet to expand over eons that would cause what appear to be canyons? this could be caused by either atoms expanding or temperature of core changes over time.
fedtheend 1 year ago
It's an Electrical Universe folks.
Always has been, always will be.
Valles Marinaris and the Grand Canyon are
both proof of electrical scarring on a massive
scale. Massive electrical activity within our
Solar System between planetary bodies.
ThirdPartyGuiltTrip 1 year ago
something was mining mars at one point in time!
echelonexcursions 1 year ago 2
thank you!
flippinrawks 1 year ago
Mars is covered in an ice sheet.....That is what we are looking at. That explains the river-like grooves of random melting.
edward892 1 year ago
@edward892 no way ice just CANNOT push up ridges LIKE THAT
MyOtherBeaver 1 year ago
@MyOtherBeaver Look at some pics of glacial breakage and respond back.
edward892 1 year ago
@edward892 You are deeply retarded dude ... please stick to your guitar and let scientists handle this.
Moron
JESUSSYD 1 year ago
Cant wait for the full dvd.
Wonder when we'll see these things again, it's only a matter of time.
Tzunamii777 1 year ago 2
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wow , just , wow
koneye 1 year ago 2
Truly amazing work. This really needs to go mainstream
puafia 1 year ago 2
Another great segment. Can't wait for the full DVD to be release :)
shrunkensimon 1 year ago 11
Amazingly - Amazing...
veyoman 1 year ago
Thank you David for this cogent and succinct presentation of the facts and a reasoned explanation of the electric universe model.
philhersh 1 year ago 2
The truth comes out in this elegant presentation. It will be self evident to the masses soon enough. Great work!
Thank you!
sandman4224 1 year ago 2
Intriguing, and very impressive. This certainly makes far more sense than past orthodoxy. It will also require a paradigm shift in thinking and investigation into the mysteries not only on Mars, but on Earth as well. Thank you for this presentation.
Helmholtz53 1 year ago