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Ridley, you're such a loser hack weirdo. Taunting cops and feeding people bad information. This guy evaded taxes, then there was weapons involved? and people are surprised he's locked up? who gives a shit. He was a nutjob like you. Any time you get involved in evading taxes and "Standoffs" you know the person has issues. Guy was a nut. Should prob be in a mental ward along with you, Ridley.
@stickydog480 HORSE PISS! You're so fuckin' far behind the curve on this one that you might as well just shut the fuck up & crawl back under your rock! The IRS is an illegally & unconstitutionally founded crime syndicate and THERE IS NO LAW that requires the avg. American to pay an income tax! Prove me wrong ASSHOLE! Ed Brown did exactly what we all should be doing but we've become a nation of gutless, mindless, obedient PUSSIES & PRICKS like YOU! You're a disgrace to ALL patriots!
Shhhh. You're just another YouTube weirdo. 9.11 conspiracies, Illuminati, government is after me, blah blah blah. You're all the same.
Did you know Ed Brown Bobby Trapped his house with bombs and shit? he was a weirdo, just like you.
We all have to pay taxes - everyone knows this. Everyone knows the penalties for not paying them is jail time. This guy took it a step further with the weapons and bombs.
Ed Brown didn't just go down for tax evasion, other charges were related to weapons and violent intimidation. If you wanna change a law, get into politics or start a movement. Hunkering down in your house with bombs and assault rifles is idiotic and you get what you deserve if you do that. it's a stupid way to go about things. A mentally healthy person would not of done this. You're also mentally ill, I'm sure, which is why you support him.
And it's probably people like you that confused him. You do , in fact, have to pay federal taxes. It is a law. Stop putting misnformation out there.
"U.S. Constitution:
Sixteenth Amendment
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
@stickydog480 You're conveniently forgetting that the Supreme court ruled that the 16th amendment conferred NO NEW POWER OF TAXATION! Something tells me you'd believe any damn thing you heard on the major media & that's your biggest mistake of all! I'm sure they trumped up plenty of false charges against Ed & you bought the whole story hook line and sinker but the fact is that the man had every right to defend himself & his family & property from the lawless racketeers at the IRS!
@stickydog480 Oh yeah, sure. Anybody that disagrees with your narrow minded, baseless "opinions" must be a nut job right? God knows you've never once been wrong in your entire life I'm sure. If that's the best you can do you might as well just admit defeat right here & now. We're still waiting for you to point this law out to us but apparently you can't find it either. Don't be too surprised if you end up eating all of your words here one day, you mindless fucking shithead troll!
Have you ever had a mental health exam, as a child, or as an adult?
You appear to display paranoid tendencies with delusional thinking.
It's better to argue with facts and not exaggerated hypotheticals. It's also good not to let your unreasonable paranoia fuel your arguments.
My guess is, you don't have a family, career, or very fulfilling social life. You probably spend a lot of time alone researching things that make your disillusions worse.
And what exactly makes you think you don't need to pay taxes? how the fuck are we going to run the government without taxes? why are you so special that you don't need to pay a share?
@stickydog480 You fucking brainwashed idiot! You couldn't possibly be any more misinformed! What on earth makes you think your tax money is used to run the government & how do you suppose we ran it for all those years before the IRS came along? You've obviously never done a bit of research on this subject & you've probably never even heard of the documentary on this by none other than the late Aarron Russo. Look it up & get back to us AFTER YOU WAKE THE FUCK UP! THERE IS NO LAW!
And you asked how did the government run before income taxes? do you realize how minimal their services were compared to today? there's 1000% more services today.
A minimal federal government functioned on trade duties and tariffs before the civil war. During the Civil War the first income tax was started, some legal wrangling occured over the next 50 years but it was permanently codified in 1913.
There's a slight difference in the services of a 1913 government and now.
@stickydog480 Another fine demonstration of your ignorance and gullibility. Once again, NONE of the money the IRS collects is used to run this country! It ALL goes straight to the gangster banksters at the Federal Reserve and I challenge you to prove me wrong with FACTS, and not with your mindless, uneducated opinions! SHOW US THE FUCKING LAW OR SHUT THE FUCK UP SMART ASS! Btw, I still have the same friends & family that I had when the best part of you dribbled down yo mommas leg!
@stickydog480 What? No snappy fucking come backs for that one, huh? Just as I suspected! U can't show us the law because there isn't one! You can't even dispute the fact that our income taxes aren't used to run this country! The fact that u finally had enough sense to shut the fuck up & concede defeat is the first smart move you've made here so far but just in case you ever happen find that law, I'm sure we'd all b real interested in hearing about it! Btw, U owe me & Ed an apology!
I had a chance to meet Ed in '07. he was very intelligent and hospitable. He didn't seem crazy and he believed the Fed tax was illegal so he fought against it. I don't understand why they would sentence him like this, he is not dangerous.
(continued) this is how it works.. we owe the fed 1.6 trillion dollars in interest on the money they print.. all of our taxes will go to this debt, and they will print more money which is borrowed from them to pay for all the little things that we enjoy that are beyond our means. then next year we have to pay the interest on that again. the debt gets bigger each year. eventually we have to default. which is where we are now.. welcome to America. Nation of sheep, ruled by pigs, run by wolves.
Just so you know.. the 16th amendment did not change anything about the tax laws. If you were free from them before, you are free from them now. This is a tax on corporate gains.. Do you know what corporate gains are? I bet most of you don't.. for those who don't know, your paying a tax that has nothing to do with you.. 815Sox.. you are a sheep. you will always be a sheep. Your taxes pay the federal reserve debt, nothing else. the services you speak of is simply" The fed printing money"
Here is an idea, pay your taxes and don't be an idiot. All of this could have been avoided if they would have done this. Instead they decided to hole themselves up, stockpile guns and set bobby traps.
Ed Brown is far from a hero, he just didn't want to pay for the services that we (including himself) use. What a cheapskate.
@815Sox You just don't get it do you. Do you ever think or just watch baseball and do what the government tells you to do. Do you really have knowledge of freedom and the absence of slavery in the tax farm called the United States of America? There is so much to learn just by having an open mind, disdaining the idea of violence and force, understanding voluntarism and personal responsibility, by just reading and enlightening oneself to ideas that were not taught in public school.
@815Sox , this is absolutely not true. I followed this story daily for 7 months. Ed Brown had plenty of money saved. This was truly a legit protest against an illegal law. Even an IRS whistleblower gave up her career and even her freedom to make this point the Brown's made.The US Marshalls stole 100k in cash and 50 ounces of gold. I figure that 50oz of gold was worth 35-30 grand in 2008. Probably 3-4x that now in worth.
"The real menace to our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over the city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, its operates under cover of a self created screen. At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses,virtually runs the United States government for their selfish purposes. They partially control both parties...our schools, our courts." J. Hylan, NYC, Mayor
In 2010 the privately owned federal reserve made a profit of 84 billion dollars while giving the US government 79 billion. A nice profit for printing paper. If the US government followed it's own Constitution, the US would have 79 billion to pay on the national debt. King George didn't care about the opinions of the Colonists either, Ego.
The federal reserve is a private bank. It runs like any other bank. It just has the power to print money, and the decision makers of the federal reserve are elected individuals. Moreover, I don't understand what your argument in the last three sentences?
A private bank that has the power to print currency out of thin air, must be nice. The Constitution plainly details who will print our currency and what it will be back by, gold and silver. The bankers control our federation of states, " I don't care which puppet is in office, as long as I control the currency" Nathan Rothschild
Federal Reserve officials are appointed, not elected. JFK printed 4 billion in US Notes in May of 1963, you know the consequences. Why should we pay interest to FR?
Again, the decision makers are elected individuals. Moreover, no court in the history of the US has ruled the federal reserve is unconstitutional. Courts have referred to such claims as frivolous. The necessary and proper clause of Article 1, Section 8 derives the Constitutional basis of a centralized bank.
McCulloch v. Maryland (1819). It voted 9-0 to uphold the Second Bank of the United States as constitutional.
The Court argued with the doctrine of implied powers, stating that to be ‘necessary and proper’ the Bank needed only to be useful in helping the government meet its responsibilities in maintaining the public credit and regulating the money supply. Chief Justice Marshall wrote, “After the most deliberate consideration, it is the unanimous and decided opinion of this court that the act to incorporate the Bank of the United States
is a law made in pursuance of the Constitution, and is part of the supreme law of the land” (Hixson, 117). The Court affirmed this opinion in the 1824 case Osborn v. Bank of the United States (Ibid, 14).
Can you source the origination of the Rothschild quote? Often times conspiracy theorists take things out of context. Anyways, its irrelevant since the power to print money lies in the hands of the Board of Governors who are appointed by the President and approved by Congress.
Last, we don't pay interest to the Federal Reserve. The government gives the federal reserve the taxes on the interest to the debt. Then, the federal reserve gives that money back to the Treasury. You actually pointed that out in an earlier point, so my assumption is you're merely purposely falsifying information.
Sorry, I didn't mean to post that comment, l had to leave the computer and must have hit post. Tell the readers who owns the federal reserve, the families and individuals, don't use Banks as a generalization.
The merit of evidence is on you...you're the one making claims that courts and experts have deemed 'frivolous' or in layman terms 'ridiculous and retarded.'
So tell me who you think owns the federal reserve. Then provide documentation from the original source in which you attained that information. Make it a government source, if possible.
Chase Manhatten Bank which controls all 11 FR Banks
Goldman Sacks
"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is the most astonishing piece of sleight of hand that was ever evented...Bankers own the earth.'
Our system is owned by foreigners. Why do you think they are pushing globalization?
Since you didn't document your information I will do the best I can to debunk your outrageous claims. This post is going to be long, so wait until there has been at least 10 or so minutes before my most recent comment to formulate a reply.
Let me start with your first false claim:
"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing"
The banking system is indeed able to create money with a mere computer keystroke. However, a bank's ability to create money is tied directly to the amount of reserves customers have deposited there. A bank must pay a competitive interest rate on those deposits to keep them from leaving to other banks. This interest expense alone is a substantial portion of a bank's operating costs and is de facto proof a bank cannot costlessly create money.
Now, lets focus on the part where you claim "Our system is owned by foreigners. Why do you think they are pushing globalization?"
The Federal Reserve System is the primary regulatory agency governing the U.S. banking industry. It has singular importance in setting monetary policy and many economists believe it has substantial influence on the course of the business cycle.
Gary Kah (1991) and Eustace Mullins (1983) authored separate books alleging that a secretive international banking elite owns and controls the Fed. Furthermore, his shadowy group uses its power to manipulate financial markets and to control the U.S. economy.
The focus of both books is the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. What we typically call the ‘Fed’ is actually a two level system:
12 regional Federal Reserve Banks (the New York Fed is one of them) and the Board of Governors that runs them. Gary Kah claimed foreigners directly own the New York Fed, the largest and most important of the dozen regional institutions. Through it the international collaborators control the entire Federal Reserve System and reap its gigantic profits.
Eustace Mullins agreed on the importance of the New York Fed, but instead claimed it is owned indirectly by foreigners – through a European banking club he termed the “London Connection” which controls the Fed’s policies from abroad.
Are any of allegations true? Let focus on whether foreigners own the Federal Reserve Bank of New York either directly or indirectly, whether it controls the enitre of the Federal Reserve System,
and whether foreigners receive the Fed’s large annual profits.
First, lets analyze who owns the Federal Reserve bank of New York
Each of the twelve Federal Reserve Banks is organized as a corporation in much the same way as many other firms. According to Kah, foreigners own a controlling interest in the shares of the New York Fed. He claimed that “Swiss and Saudi Arabian contacts” identified the top eight shareholders as
He also described these groups as the bank’s “Class A shareholders” (p. 14). This is curious because Federal Reserve stock is not classified in this manner.
It can be either “member stock” or “public stock,” but there are no such things as ‘Class A’ shares. However, the directors of a Federal Reserve Bank are separated into classes A, B, and C depending on how they are appointed (12 USCA §302). This may have been the source of Kah’s confusion.
Eustace Mullins compiled a very different list. He reported that the top 8 stockholders of the New York Fed were:
@brainerdrebel * Citibank * Chase Manhatten Bank * Morgan Guaranty Trust * Chemical Bank * Manufacturers Hanover Trust * Bankers Trust Company * National Bank of North America, and * Bank of New York.
According to Mullins these institutions in 1983 owned a combined 63% of the New York Fed’s stock. These American banks, in turn, were owned by European financial institutions.
Since the commercial banks in the New York Fed's district elect its board of directors, the London Connection is able to use their American agents to pick the Bank's directors and ultimately control the whole Federal Reserve System. He explained,
"The most powerful men in the United States were themselves answerable to another power, a foreign power, and a power which had been steadfastly seeking to extend its control over the young republic since its very inception.
The power was the financial power of England, centered in the London Branch of the House of Rothschild. The fact was that in 1910, the United States was for all practical purposes being ruled from England, and so it is today" (Mullins, p. 47-48).
He remarked further that the day the Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913, “the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers” (p. 29).
Clearly, there is a discrepancy between the two lists. According to Kah, foreigners own shares of the New York Fed directly, but Mullins stated they owned and controlled the Fed indirectly through ownership of American banks.
So who is right? Mullins cited the Federal Reserve Bulletin for his information on share ownership, but that publication has never reported the shareholder list of any Federal Reserve Bank. Kah’s source is equally elusive – unnamed Swiss and Saudi Arabian contacts. Despite the difficulty in verifying their sources, it may be possible that both men are correct.
The two authors published their lists eight years apart. Since Mullins’ was the earlier of the two, it may be possible that sometime between 1983 and 1991 foreigners acquired a substantial amount of stock in the New York Fed. Of course, it is also possible that they're both wrong.
To clarify this mystery, let’s first look at the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
The law requires that all nationally chartered commercial banks and S&Ls buy stock in their regional Federal Reserve Bank, thereby becoming “member banks” (12 USCA §282). State chartered banks may also join voluntarily. The amount of stock a given bank must purchase is proportional to the bank’s size, so we would expect that the largest shareholders to be the biggest commercial banks operating in the district.
This agrees with Mullins since all of the banks on his list were the largest banks in the New York region in 1983.
Gary Kah’s list of alleged shareholders is more suspect. The law does not permit the stock of a Federal Reserve Bank to be traded publicly like the stock of a typical corporation (12 USCA §286).
The original Federal Reserve Act called for each regional Bank to sell stock to raise at least $4 million to begin operations (12 USCA §281). The stock was to be sold only to banks, not to the public. Only in the event that sales to member banks did not raise the necessary $4 million would the regional Fed Banks be permitted to sell shares to the public. However, all Banks raised the requisite amount of capital.
No stock in any Federal Reserve Bank has ever been sold to the public, to foreigners, or to any non-bank U.S. firm.
Foreign interests comprise half of the alleged owners on Kah’s list. Moreover, three of the hypothesized American owners are not even banks: Goldman-Sachs, Lehman Brothers, and Kuhn-Loeb are all investment banks, not commercial banks, and so are ineligible to own any shares of a Federal Reserve Bank.
The law prohibits the general public, non-bank firms, and foreigners from owning anything more than a trivial amount of stock in any Federal Reserve Bank (12 USCA §283). The only institution on Kah's list that could possibly own shares of the New York Fed is Chase Manhatten. All the others named on the list are incorrect. Kah's list is mostly bunk.
@brainerdrebel Fortunately, we can take a more direct approach to the question of ownership of the New York Fed and the other Federal Reserve Banks. The New York Fed reports that its eight largest member banks on June 30, 1997 were: # Chase Manhatten Bank # Citibank # Morgan Guaranty Trust Company # Fleet Bank # Bankers Trust # Bank of New York # Marine Midland Bank, and # Summit Bank.
All of the major shareholders seen here and all of the banks on the complete list are either nationally- or state-charted banks. All of them are American-owned. Kah’s claim that foreigners directly own the N.Y. Fed is completely wrong. This list is consistent, however, with Mullins in that all the owners are domestic banks functioning within the N.Y. Federal Reserve district.
The discrepancies are likely due to mergers or other significant changes in the size of district banks since the publication of Mullins’ list.
Now lets look at the possibility of back door foreign dominance of the federal reserve
Although foreigners do not own the New York Federal Reserve Bank directly, perhaps, Mullins argued, they own and control it indirectly via ownership of domestic banks.
Since the money-center banks of New York own the largest portion of stock in the New York Fed, they hand-pick its board of directors and president. This would give them, and hence the London Connection, control over Fed operations and U.S. monetary policy.
The Securities and Exchange Commission requires that firms whose stock is traded publicly report their major stockholders each year.
The reports identify all institutional shareholders (primarily, firms owning stock in other companies), all company officials who own shares in their firm, and any individual or institution owning more than 5% of the firm’s stock. These reports show that only one of the N.Y. Fed’s current largest shareholders, Citicorp, has any major foreign stockholders. As of January 1996, Price Alwaleed Bin Talad of Saudi Arabia owned 8.9% of Citicorp stock.
None of the member banks on the above list have any significant portion of shares held by any foreign individual or institution. Mullins' claim that foreigners own the N.Y. Federal Reserve indirectly is also wrong.
Moreover, the ownership rights of Federal Reserve Bank stock are different than the common stock of typical corporations. Usually, the number of votes a shareholder has is proportional to the number of shares he owns.
However, ownership of Federal Reserve Bank stock entitles the shareholder to one vote when voting for its regional Federal Reserve Bank officials regardless of how many total shares the member bank may own. A group of international conspirators would need to purchase a controlling interest in a majority of the banks operating in the N.Y. district to guarantee the election of their desired minions to the N.Y. Fed’s board of directors.
Buying that much stock in so many U.S. banks would require an outlay of hundreds of billions of dollars. Surely there must be a cheaper path to global domination.
Mullins’ premise here is that the member banks control the policies of the N.Y. Fed. In the next section I detail why this is wrong, but an historical example also illustrates the fault of this assumption.
Galbraith (1990) recounts that in the spring of 1929 the New York Stock Exchange was booming. Prices there had been rising considerably, extending the bull market that began in 1924. The Federal Reserve Board decided to take steps to arrest the speculative bubble that appeared to be forming: It raised the cost banks had to pay to borrow from the Federal Reserve and it increased speculators’ margin requirements. Charles Mitchell,
then the head of National City Bank (now Citicorp, one of the largest shareholders of the N.Y. Fed at the time), was so irritated by this decision that in a bank statement he wrote, “We feel that we have an obligation which is paramount to any Federal Reserve warning, or anything else, to avert any dangerous crisis in the money market” (Galbraith, p. 57). National City Bank promised to increase lending to offset any restrictive policies of the Federal Reserve.
Wrote Galbraith, “The effect was more than satisfactory: the market took off again. In the three summer months, the increase in prices outran all of the quite impressive increase that had occurred during the entire previous year.” If the Fed and its policies were really under the control of its major stockholders, then why did the Federal Reserve Board clearly defy the intent of its single largest shareholder?
Gary Kah and Thomas Schauf (1992) also maintain that the huge profits of the Federal Reserve System are diverted to its foreign owners through the dividends paid to its stockholders. Kah reports “Each year billions of dollars are ‘earned’ by Class A stockholders of the Federal Reserve” (Kah, p. 20).
Schauf further laments by asking, “When are the profits of the Fed going to start flowing into the Treasury so that average Americans are no longer burdened with excessive, unnecessary taxes?” The Federal Reserve System certainly makes large profits. According to the Board’s 1999 Annual Report, the System had net income totaling $26.2 billion, which would qualify it as one of the most profitable companies in the world if the System were a typical corporation.
How were these profits distributed? $342 million, or 1.4% of the profits, were paid to member banks as dividends. Another $479 million, or 1.8%, was retained by the 12 Reserve Banks. The balance of $25.4 billion -- or 96.9% of the profits -- was paid to the Treasury. Obviously, Schauf's statement that the member banks are getting "billions" in dividends every year is absurd. In addition, the Fed has been rebating its profits to the Treasury since 1947.
The allegation that an international banking cartel controls the Federal Reserve is wrong. Contrary to Kah’s claim, foreigners do not own any stock in the New York Federal Reserve Bank. Neither do they currently own any significant shares of the domestic banks that actually do own shares in the N.Y. Fed.
Moreover, the central assumption that control of the New York Federal Reserve is the same as control of the whole System is badly mistaken. Also, the profits of the Federal Reserve System, again contrary to the conspiracy theorists, are funneled almost entirely back to the federal government, not to an international banking elite. If the U.S. central bank is in the grip of an international conspiracy, then Mullins, Kah, et al have certainly not uncovered it.
Agent Ego, you are using Uniform Commercial Codes not the Constitution. Our federation of states ended in 1871 with the incorporation of The United States and the creation of the District of Corruption. The federal reserve is a private corporation, quoting codes or federal court cases is futile. Courts are commissioned by the corporation and will protect the illegal system. Our Constitution plainly in every day language defines the role of Congress and our Currency.
I have already provided you with a proof of the Constitutionality of the federal reserve, citing a Supreme Court case that was voted unanimously at 9-0. Go read McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316 (1819). The Supreme Court has ruled that the federal reserve is Constitutional by the necessary and proper clause in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. You can contact any law school in the nation and verify this information.
Agent Ego you are quoting a 1819 court case, the federal reserve act was passed on Christmas eve at midnight in 1913. No federal judge will go back farther than 1938, THE UNITED STATES bankrupt in 1933.
The federal reserve was not the first instance of the United States having a centralized bank. The 1819 court case is referring to the Second Bank of the United States, which was a national bank just like the fed. Moreover, your claim regarding judges not going back prior to 1938 is completely false. Last, George Washington signed the first national bank back in 1791 after Congress approved of it. Having a central bank always has, still is, and always will be constitutional.
People say that america is free and middle eastern countries are oppressive and tyrannical, how can anyone know things like this, waco, ruby ridge and so on and still believe that america is somehow better than other oppressive governments. America is no longer a country that practices freedom. We are all subject to death and imprisonment for any reason at any time.
These people want the bennifits of living in the USA yet, they don't want to pay taxes. They drive cars on public roads, purchase items inside store in the area, and no doubt use public services when they need this. Yet, when it comes to paying taxes or vehicle registrations, suddenly they are "freemen on the land..." Yea... Kind of nice to take from a society but not pay any taxes. If these people lived in an isolated island or Alaskan wilderness I would respect that... THEY ARE BUMBS!!!
@stevenabb There are taxes for all of those things you mentioned. We pay a gasoline tax already to travel public roads, we pay state sales tax for items purchased inside stores, and yes, property taxes for public services. So get your head outta your ass and get smart. FEDERAL INCOME TAX is the enslavement tax. I guess you like having your wages taxed, money that you worked for. I don't necessarily agree with what these people did, but at least they did something.
@cockyhemi --- Ahhh... so the rest of us have to pay income tax but not you! Wow, I wish I could enjoy the benefits of this country and be excluded from income taxes. Charmed life you live. People like this are freeloaders that enjoy this country. Look at the situation this way, when you work for the federal or state penitentiary cooking food for 15 cents per hour, then you will be enslaved to the government. YOUR ANOTHER LOSER WITH AN EXCUSE... PAY YOUR TAXES!!!
@stevenabb You're sounding a little redundant here. Maybe I didn't get through your thick skull but I do pay my taxes. All lawful taxes that are stated in my first comment to you. Unfortunately I still pay the unlawful 'voluntary federal income tax' because if I don't, the IRS Mafia will come and take everything that I have worked for my entire life. You are a slave mentally if you don't see how unlawful the Federal Income Tax really is, but that's o.k. The world still needs slaves buddy!
@stevenabb you again show your ignorance, money that the federal gov takes doesnt make us more free or give us more sservices it takes them away. When the federal gov spends money it hurts america not helps it. You ignorantly cite roads and other minor irrelevant bull shit but you dont mention the vast majority of what they do with their stolen money, they give it to banks, bailouts, foreign oppressive governments,israel, interest, bribes, millitary and fbi sull shit, stop being dumb
@stevenabb 100% of our income tax goes to the privately owned federal reserve as interest for printing our worthless fiat currency. We pay .54 per gallon for maintaing roads and bridges, that the criminals have finally got their hands on. We pay sales tax on food, clothing and everything else under the sun. Free my ass, we are tax slaves, a better deal than chattel slaves, slaves were only 50% productive, you had to provide for them. We are taxed at over 60% and have to feed and cloth ourselves.
Actually, income tax revenues far exceed interest payed on the debt to the federal reserve by more than 20 fold. You misinterpreted the Grace Commission Report. If you want a thorough debunk, I can provide you one.
Moreover, individual taxes don't go to specific causes. Taxes like the income tax are all pooled together and money is taken from that pool to pay for government expenses.
Moving on, the fed gives the Treasury the profit they make from interest on the debt.
Last, your claim that you're a slave because you pay taxes has no legal merit. Thus, its just an opinion. I'm not concerned about your opinions, only the legal basis for your arguments.
United States v. Hooper, 1995 U.S. App. LEXIS 38246; 76 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 8026, 1995 WL 792039 at *1 (9th Cir. 1995). “Finally, we reject as frivolous Kolchev’s remaining contentions asserting that his wages are not taxable income, see 26 U.S.C. § 61, that notices of deficiency may only be issued to government employees, [citation omitted],
that the IRS code is not enforceable because it has not been enacted into positive law, [citation omitted], and that the Commissioner lacked delegated authority to issue the notice of deficiency, [citation omitted].”
Kolchev v. Commissioner, 1995 U.S. App. LEXIS 2683; 75 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 839, (9th Cir. 1995).
“The appellant’s argument regarding the validity of Title 26 is frivolous. The validity of Title 26 is not affected merely because it has not been codified as ‘positive law’.”
Hackett v. Commissioner, 791 F.2d 933 (6th Cir. 1986). “The claim that Title 26 was not enacted into ‘positive law,’ has been rejected as ‘frivolous,’ ‘baseless,’ ‘specious,’ and ‘preposterous.’ [Citations omitted]”
Regarding your discussion on slaves: “So far as the due process clause of the 5th Amendment is relied upon, it suffices to say that there is no basis for such reliance, since it is equally well settled that such clause is not a limitation upon the taxing power conferred upon Congress by the Constitution; in other words, that the Constitution does not conflict with itself by conferring, upon the one hand, a taxing power,
Ed Brown Is a physico. My father was a police officer in lebanon during this. Ed Brown had high explosives in the woods around his house rigged up like booby traps, He had a 50.cal rifle that he threatened to use against police. And the video of the helicopter. HE LIVES AT THE END OF A FUCKING RUNWAY. of course there is going to be planes and helicopters.
@ServiceAboveSelfk9 I would like to respectfully ask that you go on a search for the truth. Not the truth that you want to be enforced but the truth that exist. America is a foreign occupied nation being rotted from the inside out and being tapped for all it's worth to serve Israel. We aren't the only nation suffering this consequence. I appreciate your fathers service to his community and I support law and order.
Please clarify what you mean when you claim the United States is a foreign occupied nation. As far as I understand, the United States is ran by elected US citizens by US citizens.
@dolphinedick No. Im not. I'm a law enforcement officer for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. I making 128,000 a year with 84% retirement and Full Health Benefits. So you crazy anti government assholes can keep on doing what your doing. Its not changing anything, Take ed as an example. 37 years. He should have fun with that.
You are ENTITLED to be recognized by the legal title on the birth certificate ISSUED to you. PRESENT yourself as a man/woman and don't excercise the ENTITLEMENT. If there is no 'victim' ... you walk. Give up the illusion of OWNERSHIP.
Half the videos about free staters are of them getting their asses kicked. Their response is consistent: "Sir, that's my camera you're breaking;" Sir, You're assaulting me;" "Sir, you're tresspassing;" "Sir, your dick is in my anus...." They sound like the momma's boy in junior high who was always getting his underpants stolen.
When Tactikalguy1 sues, nobody fucking laughs. When the people he has helped sue, nobody laughs. I've spoken with Tactikalguy1. He he offered to help Dave Ridley, and DR turned him down. Why? Because, as DR admits, he scoffs at attempts to actually use the constitution as it was intended to be used, as a defense against government.
The reason FreeSters are losing their interest is because
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS FAILING
Either search "Pastor Sanderson." "Search Tactikalguy1" or go back to watching American Idol. People are sick of watching you people martyr yourselves. It ain't heroic to sit in a cage, you morons.
the people of the united states..Canada ..& UK do NOT want to pay income tax...don't want it..never did. so why are we paying this? cause if you don't the Privite Army called the Police will come and take you away and lock you up or kill you...I say Let the people Vote on this right Now! and stop the bullshit.
you lying bastard what the browns did was exactly what needed to be done you treasonous son of a bitch how dare you piss on what Ed brown and his wife did as they exposed your satanic Jesuit criminal government how dare you, you liar you'll face judgment for this unless you repent and come out with the truth the facts.
you fucking idiot liar he asked for the treasonous government to produce the law where it says he had to pay for this fraudulent tax and they couldn't do it as it doenst exist its disinformation agents like you make honest men of god like this look bad. Repent for your big sin here, Ed deserves the support of the American people and your government need to be called up to court for high treason.
Ridley with all respect, every man has his own fight and own stand. Ed Brown choose his, you and I may fight smaller or trickier battles... or some may say less foolish, doesn't make any of our battles less right. They are all right, the government force is wrong.
well wen i was growing up the old rebel chant of the vietnam war was and i quote "hell no we won,t go"{ well now the chant should be "no way we arnt going to pay" the 16th admendment has never and i repeat never been ratafied! its a lie! a scam totally !show me the law that sayts i have to pay taxes on my own labor! the constuitution spefically states thats agains it.criminals of the new world order.the irs is not part of the us government. its the imf and world bank.
God Bless Ed and Elaine Brown and their supporters. They will be "free" before they die. We all must take up this fight , they have done more than enough.
@attorneydestroyusa I have every reason to hope that RP is actually different, because his whole career (his voting record) speaks to someone outside the mainstream who votes his conscience; he has publicly stated his concern for ed and elaine. I believe he would pardon them.
@slewofdamascus you mean like when he presented a bill that proposed term limits? HE HASNT LEFT YET! You folks should look over his real record and then maybe you might see he is just another jew antagonist for their steering the sheep movie. I have finally lost hope in all of you folks. I really dont care to be on the same planet any longer
how was Ed owning guns illegal? I mean we have a right to bare arms do we not?
What a shame. here is a man who didn't want to pay the illegal and unconstitutional federal govt income tax and because of that, he is sent to jail for 37 years?
our country isn't about freedom, it is a giant jail cell.
@TheNewMusicNetwork "what if every american did that." you would get shot, and most likely die....."it sounds like he should have had a shoot-out with them instead."....You are also crazy
@TheNewMusicNetwork go down in a blaze of glory....end your existance, and allow me to breathe the O2 you seem to waste with your IDIOTology. You crazies always make me laugh though....Doesnt matter what it is....its always against you.....Thats called paranoia. No dont rot in jail....Dont break the fucking law, and you wouldnt have to roty in jail, and hence in your crazy reality nor would you have to go out in a blaze of glory.....lol
How since almost everything that Ron Paul stands for is against their agenda? Because of a handshake he gave with Bill Mahr? Ron Paul is the best shot to take us away from United Nation influence and restore the Constitution.
Ron Paul is Pro-Vatican! Do you know what that means? He supported Ronald Regan give The Vatican City a Sovereign State! He is part of JBS which is Catholic!
We are run by the Jesuits and Black Pope(Catholic)
may think twice when you're armed. In fact, if the Browns had not been armed they may have well been massacred by the chimpanzees cowering behind their cruisers. No question folks - we are living in a fascist state. Ed Brown is a political prisoner punished by "officials" who are an utter disgrace to the "law". The real criminals today are prosecutors & those wearing black robes, without a shred of difference between themselves & their Gestapo forbears of 60 yrs ago. There is no "law". It's dead
The comparison of the American Regime to Nazi Germany is unwarranted, plus it gives many good Germans a bad name. Germany was fighting for survival in the beginning; American's woes have been bought and paid for. Huge difference. Words like tyrannical, corrupt, greed, and unconstitutional would be entirely appropriate however. America is bankrupt and terrorized because of its failings at the legislative level and abroad, plain and simple.
You are right. The Constiution, the law, and rights have mostly been replaced with fascism in this country. Their rights, their laws, their privileges, their special interests, their future.
The lesson - if you are a govt. scumbag you can do whatever you like. Geithner can do far worse but because he's a member of the Nazi club he can continue to steal & live in luxury. Yet if just 1 of the "people" ever gets it into his head to assert his rights the subhuman monkeys called pros. & judges will see to it you "learn your lesson". Brown never threatened a single person. But our cowards in blue who are good at breaking down the doors of 86 yr olds or teen boys may think twice
Well, govt. Nazi goon squads are at it again. A man who simply wanted to keep what he earns from being stolen from him has been made an example of by yet another corrupt fed. pros. & fed judge. Obersturmbahnfuher singal & Herr kacacaca unrolled their swastikas by putting an utterly harmless man in prison for the rest of his life. Yet Geithner get walk scott free for doing worse.
"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world".
Abraham Lincoln
1' st course of action; starve the beast, then deal with what's left!
I prefer an old form of government that tyrants don't care for... that of SELF GOVERNANCE!
I have no need for anyhting else as it only leads to violence, theft and tyranny... every time. Factual history backs me up... that said, I'd stil vote for you as prez of the US... though I really wouldn't want to do that to you... or me... have a president that is. ;)
@sandelpop If this plan were able to work in the political corruption we now experience; I would agree with you and tell you this is the best Form of Government. However, in 40 some years, this is not likely to happen.
Our Founders did not procrastinate 40 years when the Confederacy "failed". They did not procrastinate 40 years to put solid restrictions on government with the 1st 10 amendments.
WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR?
Politicians KNOW how to remain corrupt while staying in the Const.
Not meaning to be disrespectful but Mr Brown and his wife did not pay there taxes, something we all as citizen of this country are expected to do.
I understand the general dislike for paying taxes (myself included), but you can only ignore the law for so long.
We all pay taxes to maintain a "better then average" quality of life in this country for all of it's citizens, even if you don't normally use the services your taxes pay for, their there in case you need them.
You forgot Tyranny... this government is a tyranny... nothing more, nothing less. The only way that Ed Brown would have been successful is if 10,000 to 100,000 people refused to pay taxes all at once in support of Ed. We'd need enough people to actually make the news and be too much for the government to handle.... we need coordinated tax protests... because only one or two people will be murdered by the government. And yes, a 37 year sentence is murder to Ed and Elane Brown.
This is typical of the freedom movement. No movement! Noone was there to step up to the plate to defend the Browns in the end of all of this! Chicken sh**@!
So if he was completely passive he would have gotten 27 years for violating no law? He would have fared better by engaging them with arms and dying a Free Man. Now he and his Wife will die in a violent Prison System with nothing to show for their endeavors.
37 years?? I know of murderers and child molestors getting a few years, this is nuts. This is how they treat true patriots? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
WorshipInTruth 3 weeks ago
VATICAN with ROTHSCHILDS start WARS then Finance Each Side, then Loan MONEY to Re Build Countries they Blow up, they Finance HITLER
Rockefellers give HITLER his Gas & Oil, see FIAT EMPIRE, Prescott Bush did Business with HITLER all during WW11, see WhiteHouseCoup,
deadadelta 1 month ago
DEBTORS COURT, sentenced to 37 years for owing Money
deadadelta 1 month ago
see book THE LAW THAT NEVER WAS,
see how JESUITS with ZIONIST stole the AMERICAN MONEY System film FIAT EMPIRE,
deadadelta 1 month ago
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deadadelta 1 month ago
Ridley, you're such a loser hack weirdo. Taunting cops and feeding people bad information. This guy evaded taxes, then there was weapons involved? and people are surprised he's locked up? who gives a shit. He was a nutjob like you. Any time you get involved in evading taxes and "Standoffs" you know the person has issues. Guy was a nut. Should prob be in a mental ward along with you, Ridley.
stickydog480 2 months ago
@stickydog480 HORSE PISS! You're so fuckin' far behind the curve on this one that you might as well just shut the fuck up & crawl back under your rock! The IRS is an illegally & unconstitutionally founded crime syndicate and THERE IS NO LAW that requires the avg. American to pay an income tax! Prove me wrong ASSHOLE! Ed Brown did exactly what we all should be doing but we've become a nation of gutless, mindless, obedient PUSSIES & PRICKS like YOU! You're a disgrace to ALL patriots!
Phonehed 1 month ago
@Phonehed
Shhhh. You're just another YouTube weirdo. 9.11 conspiracies, Illuminati, government is after me, blah blah blah. You're all the same.
Did you know Ed Brown Bobby Trapped his house with bombs and shit? he was a weirdo, just like you.
We all have to pay taxes - everyone knows this. Everyone knows the penalties for not paying them is jail time. This guy took it a step further with the weapons and bombs.
stickydog480 1 month ago
@Phonehed
Ed Brown didn't just go down for tax evasion, other charges were related to weapons and violent intimidation. If you wanna change a law, get into politics or start a movement. Hunkering down in your house with bombs and assault rifles is idiotic and you get what you deserve if you do that. it's a stupid way to go about things. A mentally healthy person would not of done this. You're also mentally ill, I'm sure, which is why you support him.
stickydog480 1 month ago
@Phonehed
And it's probably people like you that confused him. You do , in fact, have to pay federal taxes. It is a law. Stop putting misnformation out there.
"U.S. Constitution:
Sixteenth Amendment
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
stickydog480 1 month ago
@stickydog480 You're conveniently forgetting that the Supreme court ruled that the 16th amendment conferred NO NEW POWER OF TAXATION! Something tells me you'd believe any damn thing you heard on the major media & that's your biggest mistake of all! I'm sure they trumped up plenty of false charges against Ed & you bought the whole story hook line and sinker but the fact is that the man had every right to defend himself & his family & property from the lawless racketeers at the IRS!
Phonehed 1 month ago
@Phonehed
Nutjob, nutjob, nut job nut job nutjob, nut job, nutjob nutjob. nutjob.
Like my new song?
The ending goes,
"You're unstable"
stickydog480 1 month ago
@stickydog480 Oh yeah, sure. Anybody that disagrees with your narrow minded, baseless "opinions" must be a nut job right? God knows you've never once been wrong in your entire life I'm sure. If that's the best you can do you might as well just admit defeat right here & now. We're still waiting for you to point this law out to us but apparently you can't find it either. Don't be too surprised if you end up eating all of your words here one day, you mindless fucking shithead troll!
Phonehed 1 month ago
@Phonehed
Have you ever had a mental health exam, as a child, or as an adult?
You appear to display paranoid tendencies with delusional thinking.
It's better to argue with facts and not exaggerated hypotheticals. It's also good not to let your unreasonable paranoia fuel your arguments.
My guess is, you don't have a family, career, or very fulfilling social life. You probably spend a lot of time alone researching things that make your disillusions worse.
stickydog480 1 month ago
@Phonehed
And what exactly makes you think you don't need to pay taxes? how the fuck are we going to run the government without taxes? why are you so special that you don't need to pay a share?
stickydog480 1 month ago
@stickydog480 You fucking brainwashed idiot! You couldn't possibly be any more misinformed! What on earth makes you think your tax money is used to run the government & how do you suppose we ran it for all those years before the IRS came along? You've obviously never done a bit of research on this subject & you've probably never even heard of the documentary on this by none other than the late Aarron Russo. Look it up & get back to us AFTER YOU WAKE THE FUCK UP! THERE IS NO LAW!
Phonehed 1 month ago
@Phonehed
And you asked how did the government run before income taxes? do you realize how minimal their services were compared to today? there's 1000% more services today.
A minimal federal government functioned on trade duties and tariffs before the civil war. During the Civil War the first income tax was started, some legal wrangling occured over the next 50 years but it was permanently codified in 1913.
There's a slight difference in the services of a 1913 government and now.
stickydog480 1 month ago
@stickydog480 Another fine demonstration of your ignorance and gullibility. Once again, NONE of the money the IRS collects is used to run this country! It ALL goes straight to the gangster banksters at the Federal Reserve and I challenge you to prove me wrong with FACTS, and not with your mindless, uneducated opinions! SHOW US THE FUCKING LAW OR SHUT THE FUCK UP SMART ASS! Btw, I still have the same friends & family that I had when the best part of you dribbled down yo mommas leg!
Phonehed 1 month ago
@stickydog480 What? No snappy fucking come backs for that one, huh? Just as I suspected! U can't show us the law because there isn't one! You can't even dispute the fact that our income taxes aren't used to run this country! The fact that u finally had enough sense to shut the fuck up & concede defeat is the first smart move you've made here so far but just in case you ever happen find that law, I'm sure we'd all b real interested in hearing about it! Btw, U owe me & Ed an apology!
Phonehed 3 weeks ago
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radioactivemanonfire 4 months ago
I had a chance to meet Ed in '07. he was very intelligent and hospitable. He didn't seem crazy and he believed the Fed tax was illegal so he fought against it. I don't understand why they would sentence him like this, he is not dangerous.
timstillinghast 4 months ago
(continued) this is how it works.. we owe the fed 1.6 trillion dollars in interest on the money they print.. all of our taxes will go to this debt, and they will print more money which is borrowed from them to pay for all the little things that we enjoy that are beyond our means. then next year we have to pay the interest on that again. the debt gets bigger each year. eventually we have to default. which is where we are now.. welcome to America. Nation of sheep, ruled by pigs, run by wolves.
Ravalat 7 months ago
Just so you know.. the 16th amendment did not change anything about the tax laws. If you were free from them before, you are free from them now. This is a tax on corporate gains.. Do you know what corporate gains are? I bet most of you don't.. for those who don't know, your paying a tax that has nothing to do with you.. 815Sox.. you are a sheep. you will always be a sheep. Your taxes pay the federal reserve debt, nothing else. the services you speak of is simply" The fed printing money"
Ravalat 7 months ago
Here is an idea, pay your taxes and don't be an idiot. All of this could have been avoided if they would have done this. Instead they decided to hole themselves up, stockpile guns and set bobby traps.
Ed Brown is far from a hero, he just didn't want to pay for the services that we (including himself) use. What a cheapskate.
815Sox 7 months ago
@815Sox What services are you referring to?
Ravalat 7 months ago
@815Sox fuck you
dolphinedick 6 months ago
@815Sox You just don't get it do you. Do you ever think or just watch baseball and do what the government tells you to do. Do you really have knowledge of freedom and the absence of slavery in the tax farm called the United States of America? There is so much to learn just by having an open mind, disdaining the idea of violence and force, understanding voluntarism and personal responsibility, by just reading and enlightening oneself to ideas that were not taught in public school.
hooverdog1957 4 months ago
@815Sox , this is absolutely not true. I followed this story daily for 7 months. Ed Brown had plenty of money saved. This was truly a legit protest against an illegal law. Even an IRS whistleblower gave up her career and even her freedom to make this point the Brown's made.The US Marshalls stole 100k in cash and 50 ounces of gold. I figure that 50oz of gold was worth 35-30 grand in 2008. Probably 3-4x that now in worth.
mondocrat 4 months ago
This Film should go VIRAL
Timothy Geitner did not Pay his TAXES for Years , He is a BANKER JeW see film FIAT EMPIRE
deadadelta 7 months ago
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deadadelta 7 months ago
@deadadelta see VATICAN ASSASSINS for 1,800 Pages of EVIL done by JESUITS
deadadelta 7 months ago
see the book THE LAW THAT NEVER WAS,
The IRS law was not RATIFIED by 3/4 of the States, The ATTORNEY GENERAL got up and LIED to CONGRESS, see Film Freedom to Facism, and film FIAT EMPIrE,
deadadelta 7 months ago
"The real menace to our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over the city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, its operates under cover of a self created screen. At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses,virtually runs the United States government for their selfish purposes. They partially control both parties...our schools, our courts." J. Hylan, NYC, Mayor
brainerdrebel 8 months ago
In 2010 the privately owned federal reserve made a profit of 84 billion dollars while giving the US government 79 billion. A nice profit for printing paper. If the US government followed it's own Constitution, the US would have 79 billion to pay on the national debt. King George didn't care about the opinions of the Colonists either, Ego.
brainerdrebel 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
The federal reserve is a private bank. It runs like any other bank. It just has the power to print money, and the decision makers of the federal reserve are elected individuals. Moreover, I don't understand what your argument in the last three sentences?
SadegoGG 8 months ago
A private bank that has the power to print currency out of thin air, must be nice. The Constitution plainly details who will print our currency and what it will be back by, gold and silver. The bankers control our federation of states, " I don't care which puppet is in office, as long as I control the currency" Nathan Rothschild
Federal Reserve officials are appointed, not elected. JFK printed 4 billion in US Notes in May of 1963, you know the consequences. Why should we pay interest to FR?
brainerdrebel 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Again, the decision makers are elected individuals. Moreover, no court in the history of the US has ruled the federal reserve is unconstitutional. Courts have referred to such claims as frivolous. The necessary and proper clause of Article 1, Section 8 derives the Constitutional basis of a centralized bank.
McCulloch v. Maryland (1819). It voted 9-0 to uphold the Second Bank of the United States as constitutional.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
The Court argued with the doctrine of implied powers, stating that to be ‘necessary and proper’ the Bank needed only to be useful in helping the government meet its responsibilities in maintaining the public credit and regulating the money supply. Chief Justice Marshall wrote, “After the most deliberate consideration, it is the unanimous and decided opinion of this court that the act to incorporate the Bank of the United States
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
is a law made in pursuance of the Constitution, and is part of the supreme law of the land” (Hixson, 117). The Court affirmed this opinion in the 1824 case Osborn v. Bank of the United States (Ibid, 14).
Can you source the origination of the Rothschild quote? Often times conspiracy theorists take things out of context. Anyways, its irrelevant since the power to print money lies in the hands of the Board of Governors who are appointed by the President and approved by Congress.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Last, we don't pay interest to the Federal Reserve. The government gives the federal reserve the taxes on the interest to the debt. Then, the federal reserve gives that money back to the Treasury. You actually pointed that out in an earlier point, so my assumption is you're merely purposely falsifying information.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
That makes a lot of sense, the government gives taxes to the federal reserve and they give it Constitution.
brainerdrebel 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
They give it Constitution? What are you talking about?
SadegoGG 8 months ago
Sorry, I didn't mean to post that comment, l had to leave the computer and must have hit post. Tell the readers who owns the federal reserve, the families and individuals, don't use Banks as a generalization.
brainerdrebel 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
The merit of evidence is on you...you're the one making claims that courts and experts have deemed 'frivolous' or in layman terms 'ridiculous and retarded.'
So tell me who you think owns the federal reserve. Then provide documentation from the original source in which you attained that information. Make it a government source, if possible.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
Rothchild Banks of London & Paris
Lazard Bros of Paris
Isreal Moses Self of Italy
Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
Lehman Bros / New York
Kuhn Loeb / New York
Chase Manhatten Bank which controls all 11 FR Banks
Goldman Sacks
"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is the most astonishing piece of sleight of hand that was ever evented...Bankers own the earth.'
Our system is owned by foreigners. Why do you think they are pushing globalization?
brainerdrebel 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Since you didn't document your information I will do the best I can to debunk your outrageous claims. This post is going to be long, so wait until there has been at least 10 or so minutes before my most recent comment to formulate a reply.
Let me start with your first false claim:
"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing"
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
The banking system is indeed able to create money with a mere computer keystroke. However, a bank's ability to create money is tied directly to the amount of reserves customers have deposited there. A bank must pay a competitive interest rate on those deposits to keep them from leaving to other banks. This interest expense alone is a substantial portion of a bank's operating costs and is de facto proof a bank cannot costlessly create money.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Now, lets focus on the part where you claim "Our system is owned by foreigners. Why do you think they are pushing globalization?"
The Federal Reserve System is the primary regulatory agency governing the U.S. banking industry. It has singular importance in setting monetary policy and many economists believe it has substantial influence on the course of the business cycle.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Gary Kah (1991) and Eustace Mullins (1983) authored separate books alleging that a secretive international banking elite owns and controls the Fed. Furthermore, his shadowy group uses its power to manipulate financial markets and to control the U.S. economy.
The focus of both books is the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. What we typically call the ‘Fed’ is actually a two level system:
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
12 regional Federal Reserve Banks (the New York Fed is one of them) and the Board of Governors that runs them. Gary Kah claimed foreigners directly own the New York Fed, the largest and most important of the dozen regional institutions. Through it the international collaborators control the entire Federal Reserve System and reap its gigantic profits.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Eustace Mullins agreed on the importance of the New York Fed, but instead claimed it is owned indirectly by foreigners – through a European banking club he termed the “London Connection” which controls the Fed’s policies from abroad.
Are any of allegations true? Let focus on whether foreigners own the Federal Reserve Bank of New York either directly or indirectly, whether it controls the enitre of the Federal Reserve System,
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
and whether foreigners receive the Fed’s large annual profits.
First, lets analyze who owns the Federal Reserve bank of New York
Each of the twelve Federal Reserve Banks is organized as a corporation in much the same way as many other firms. According to Kah, foreigners own a controlling interest in the shares of the New York Fed. He claimed that “Swiss and Saudi Arabian contacts” identified the top eight shareholders as
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
# Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
# Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris
# Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
# Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
# Lehman Brothers of New York
# Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York
# Chase Manhatten Bank, and
# Goldman, Sachs of New York (Kah, p. 13).
He also described these groups as the bank’s “Class A shareholders” (p. 14). This is curious because Federal Reserve stock is not classified in this manner.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
It can be either “member stock” or “public stock,” but there are no such things as ‘Class A’ shares. However, the directors of a Federal Reserve Bank are separated into classes A, B, and C depending on how they are appointed (12 USCA §302). This may have been the source of Kah’s confusion.
Eustace Mullins compiled a very different list. He reported that the top 8 stockholders of the New York Fed were:
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel * Citibank * Chase Manhatten Bank * Morgan Guaranty Trust * Chemical Bank * Manufacturers Hanover Trust * Bankers Trust Company * National Bank of North America, and * Bank of New York.
According to Mullins these institutions in 1983 owned a combined 63% of the New York Fed’s stock. These American banks, in turn, were owned by European financial institutions.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Since the commercial banks in the New York Fed's district elect its board of directors, the London Connection is able to use their American agents to pick the Bank's directors and ultimately control the whole Federal Reserve System. He explained,
"The most powerful men in the United States were themselves answerable to another power, a foreign power, and a power which had been steadfastly seeking to extend its control over the young republic since its very inception.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
The power was the financial power of England, centered in the London Branch of the House of Rothschild. The fact was that in 1910, the United States was for all practical purposes being ruled from England, and so it is today" (Mullins, p. 47-48).
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
He remarked further that the day the Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913, “the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers” (p. 29).
Clearly, there is a discrepancy between the two lists. According to Kah, foreigners own shares of the New York Fed directly, but Mullins stated they owned and controlled the Fed indirectly through ownership of American banks.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
So who is right? Mullins cited the Federal Reserve Bulletin for his information on share ownership, but that publication has never reported the shareholder list of any Federal Reserve Bank. Kah’s source is equally elusive – unnamed Swiss and Saudi Arabian contacts. Despite the difficulty in verifying their sources, it may be possible that both men are correct.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
The two authors published their lists eight years apart. Since Mullins’ was the earlier of the two, it may be possible that sometime between 1983 and 1991 foreigners acquired a substantial amount of stock in the New York Fed. Of course, it is also possible that they're both wrong.
To clarify this mystery, let’s first look at the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
The law requires that all nationally chartered commercial banks and S&Ls buy stock in their regional Federal Reserve Bank, thereby becoming “member banks” (12 USCA §282). State chartered banks may also join voluntarily. The amount of stock a given bank must purchase is proportional to the bank’s size, so we would expect that the largest shareholders to be the biggest commercial banks operating in the district.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
This agrees with Mullins since all of the banks on his list were the largest banks in the New York region in 1983.
Gary Kah’s list of alleged shareholders is more suspect. The law does not permit the stock of a Federal Reserve Bank to be traded publicly like the stock of a typical corporation (12 USCA §286).
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
The original Federal Reserve Act called for each regional Bank to sell stock to raise at least $4 million to begin operations (12 USCA §281). The stock was to be sold only to banks, not to the public. Only in the event that sales to member banks did not raise the necessary $4 million would the regional Fed Banks be permitted to sell shares to the public. However, all Banks raised the requisite amount of capital.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
No stock in any Federal Reserve Bank has ever been sold to the public, to foreigners, or to any non-bank U.S. firm.
Foreign interests comprise half of the alleged owners on Kah’s list. Moreover, three of the hypothesized American owners are not even banks: Goldman-Sachs, Lehman Brothers, and Kuhn-Loeb are all investment banks, not commercial banks, and so are ineligible to own any shares of a Federal Reserve Bank.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
The law prohibits the general public, non-bank firms, and foreigners from owning anything more than a trivial amount of stock in any Federal Reserve Bank (12 USCA §283). The only institution on Kah's list that could possibly own shares of the New York Fed is Chase Manhatten. All the others named on the list are incorrect. Kah's list is mostly bunk.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
All of the major shareholders seen here and all of the banks on the complete list are either nationally- or state-charted banks. All of them are American-owned. Kah’s claim that foreigners directly own the N.Y. Fed is completely wrong. This list is consistent, however, with Mullins in that all the owners are domestic banks functioning within the N.Y. Federal Reserve district.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
The discrepancies are likely due to mergers or other significant changes in the size of district banks since the publication of Mullins’ list.
Now lets look at the possibility of back door foreign dominance of the federal reserve
Although foreigners do not own the New York Federal Reserve Bank directly, perhaps, Mullins argued, they own and control it indirectly via ownership of domestic banks.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Since the money-center banks of New York own the largest portion of stock in the New York Fed, they hand-pick its board of directors and president. This would give them, and hence the London Connection, control over Fed operations and U.S. monetary policy.
The Securities and Exchange Commission requires that firms whose stock is traded publicly report their major stockholders each year.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
The reports identify all institutional shareholders (primarily, firms owning stock in other companies), all company officials who own shares in their firm, and any individual or institution owning more than 5% of the firm’s stock. These reports show that only one of the N.Y. Fed’s current largest shareholders, Citicorp, has any major foreign stockholders. As of January 1996, Price Alwaleed Bin Talad of Saudi Arabia owned 8.9% of Citicorp stock.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
None of the member banks on the above list have any significant portion of shares held by any foreign individual or institution. Mullins' claim that foreigners own the N.Y. Federal Reserve indirectly is also wrong.
Moreover, the ownership rights of Federal Reserve Bank stock are different than the common stock of typical corporations. Usually, the number of votes a shareholder has is proportional to the number of shares he owns.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
However, ownership of Federal Reserve Bank stock entitles the shareholder to one vote when voting for its regional Federal Reserve Bank officials regardless of how many total shares the member bank may own. A group of international conspirators would need to purchase a controlling interest in a majority of the banks operating in the N.Y. district to guarantee the election of their desired minions to the N.Y. Fed’s board of directors.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Buying that much stock in so many U.S. banks would require an outlay of hundreds of billions of dollars. Surely there must be a cheaper path to global domination.
Mullins’ premise here is that the member banks control the policies of the N.Y. Fed. In the next section I detail why this is wrong, but an historical example also illustrates the fault of this assumption.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Galbraith (1990) recounts that in the spring of 1929 the New York Stock Exchange was booming. Prices there had been rising considerably, extending the bull market that began in 1924. The Federal Reserve Board decided to take steps to arrest the speculative bubble that appeared to be forming: It raised the cost banks had to pay to borrow from the Federal Reserve and it increased speculators’ margin requirements. Charles Mitchell,
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
then the head of National City Bank (now Citicorp, one of the largest shareholders of the N.Y. Fed at the time), was so irritated by this decision that in a bank statement he wrote, “We feel that we have an obligation which is paramount to any Federal Reserve warning, or anything else, to avert any dangerous crisis in the money market” (Galbraith, p. 57). National City Bank promised to increase lending to offset any restrictive policies of the Federal Reserve.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Wrote Galbraith, “The effect was more than satisfactory: the market took off again. In the three summer months, the increase in prices outran all of the quite impressive increase that had occurred during the entire previous year.” If the Fed and its policies were really under the control of its major stockholders, then why did the Federal Reserve Board clearly defy the intent of its single largest shareholder?
Now lets analyze who gets the Fed's profits:
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Gary Kah and Thomas Schauf (1992) also maintain that the huge profits of the Federal Reserve System are diverted to its foreign owners through the dividends paid to its stockholders. Kah reports “Each year billions of dollars are ‘earned’ by Class A stockholders of the Federal Reserve” (Kah, p. 20).
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Schauf further laments by asking, “When are the profits of the Fed going to start flowing into the Treasury so that average Americans are no longer burdened with excessive, unnecessary taxes?” The Federal Reserve System certainly makes large profits. According to the Board’s 1999 Annual Report, the System had net income totaling $26.2 billion, which would qualify it as one of the most profitable companies in the world if the System were a typical corporation.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
How were these profits distributed? $342 million, or 1.4% of the profits, were paid to member banks as dividends. Another $479 million, or 1.8%, was retained by the 12 Reserve Banks. The balance of $25.4 billion -- or 96.9% of the profits -- was paid to the Treasury. Obviously, Schauf's statement that the member banks are getting "billions" in dividends every year is absurd. In addition, the Fed has been rebating its profits to the Treasury since 1947.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Conclusion:
The allegation that an international banking cartel controls the Federal Reserve is wrong. Contrary to Kah’s claim, foreigners do not own any stock in the New York Federal Reserve Bank. Neither do they currently own any significant shares of the domestic banks that actually do own shares in the N.Y. Fed.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Moreover, the central assumption that control of the New York Federal Reserve is the same as control of the whole System is badly mistaken. Also, the profits of the Federal Reserve System, again contrary to the conspiracy theorists, are funneled almost entirely back to the federal government, not to an international banking elite. If the U.S. central bank is in the grip of an international conspiracy, then Mullins, Kah, et al have certainly not uncovered it.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Sources:
82nd Annual Report, 1995, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, U.S. Government Printing Office.
Galbraith, John K. (1990), A Short History of Financial Euphoria. New York: Whittle Direct Books.
Kah, Gary (1991), En Route to Global Occupation. Lafayette, La.: Huntington House.
Mullins, Eustace (1983), Secrets of the Federal Reserve. Staunton, Va.: Bankers Research Institute.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Schauf, Thomas (1992), The Federal Reserve, Streamwood, IL: FED-UP, Inc.
Woodward, G. Thomas (1996), “Money and the Federal Reserve System: Myth and Reality.” Congressional Research Service.
United States Code Annotated, 1994. U.S. Government Printing Office.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
Agent Ego, you are using Uniform Commercial Codes not the Constitution. Our federation of states ended in 1871 with the incorporation of The United States and the creation of the District of Corruption. The federal reserve is a private corporation, quoting codes or federal court cases is futile. Courts are commissioned by the corporation and will protect the illegal system. Our Constitution plainly in every day language defines the role of Congress and our Currency.
brainerdrebel 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
I have already provided you with a proof of the Constitutionality of the federal reserve, citing a Supreme Court case that was voted unanimously at 9-0. Go read McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316 (1819). The Supreme Court has ruled that the federal reserve is Constitutional by the necessary and proper clause in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. You can contact any law school in the nation and verify this information.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
Agent Ego you are quoting a 1819 court case, the federal reserve act was passed on Christmas eve at midnight in 1913. No federal judge will go back farther than 1938, THE UNITED STATES bankrupt in 1933.
brainerdrebel 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
The federal reserve was not the first instance of the United States having a centralized bank. The 1819 court case is referring to the Second Bank of the United States, which was a national bank just like the fed. Moreover, your claim regarding judges not going back prior to 1938 is completely false. Last, George Washington signed the first national bank back in 1791 after Congress approved of it. Having a central bank always has, still is, and always will be constitutional.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
People say that america is free and middle eastern countries are oppressive and tyrannical, how can anyone know things like this, waco, ruby ridge and so on and still believe that america is somehow better than other oppressive governments. America is no longer a country that practices freedom. We are all subject to death and imprisonment for any reason at any time.
slickbtk 1 year ago
These people want the bennifits of living in the USA yet, they don't want to pay taxes. They drive cars on public roads, purchase items inside store in the area, and no doubt use public services when they need this. Yet, when it comes to paying taxes or vehicle registrations, suddenly they are "freemen on the land..." Yea... Kind of nice to take from a society but not pay any taxes. If these people lived in an isolated island or Alaskan wilderness I would respect that... THEY ARE BUMBS!!!
stevenabb 1 year ago
@stevenabb There are taxes for all of those things you mentioned. We pay a gasoline tax already to travel public roads, we pay state sales tax for items purchased inside stores, and yes, property taxes for public services. So get your head outta your ass and get smart. FEDERAL INCOME TAX is the enslavement tax. I guess you like having your wages taxed, money that you worked for. I don't necessarily agree with what these people did, but at least they did something.
cockyhemi 1 year ago
@cockyhemi --- Ahhh... so the rest of us have to pay income tax but not you! Wow, I wish I could enjoy the benefits of this country and be excluded from income taxes. Charmed life you live. People like this are freeloaders that enjoy this country. Look at the situation this way, when you work for the federal or state penitentiary cooking food for 15 cents per hour, then you will be enslaved to the government. YOUR ANOTHER LOSER WITH AN EXCUSE... PAY YOUR TAXES!!!
stevenabb 1 year ago
@stevenabb You're sounding a little redundant here. Maybe I didn't get through your thick skull but I do pay my taxes. All lawful taxes that are stated in my first comment to you. Unfortunately I still pay the unlawful 'voluntary federal income tax' because if I don't, the IRS Mafia will come and take everything that I have worked for my entire life. You are a slave mentally if you don't see how unlawful the Federal Income Tax really is, but that's o.k. The world still needs slaves buddy!
cockyhemi 1 year ago
@stevenabb paying taxes to an illegal unconstitutional and evil government is not patriotic or honorable. You are a yuppy, you are a fool
slickbtk 1 year ago
@stevenabb you again show your ignorance, money that the federal gov takes doesnt make us more free or give us more sservices it takes them away. When the federal gov spends money it hurts america not helps it. You ignorantly cite roads and other minor irrelevant bull shit but you dont mention the vast majority of what they do with their stolen money, they give it to banks, bailouts, foreign oppressive governments,israel, interest, bribes, millitary and fbi sull shit, stop being dumb
slickbtk 1 year ago
@stevenabb 100% of our income tax goes to the privately owned federal reserve as interest for printing our worthless fiat currency. We pay .54 per gallon for maintaing roads and bridges, that the criminals have finally got their hands on. We pay sales tax on food, clothing and everything else under the sun. Free my ass, we are tax slaves, a better deal than chattel slaves, slaves were only 50% productive, you had to provide for them. We are taxed at over 60% and have to feed and cloth ourselves.
brainerdrebel 1 year ago
@brainerdrebel
Actually, income tax revenues far exceed interest payed on the debt to the federal reserve by more than 20 fold. You misinterpreted the Grace Commission Report. If you want a thorough debunk, I can provide you one.
Moreover, individual taxes don't go to specific causes. Taxes like the income tax are all pooled together and money is taken from that pool to pay for government expenses.
Moving on, the fed gives the Treasury the profit they make from interest on the debt.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Last, your claim that you're a slave because you pay taxes has no legal merit. Thus, its just an opinion. I'm not concerned about your opinions, only the legal basis for your arguments.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
Ego, a slave is a slave. Taxes are not subjective, they are objective. King George didn't care about the colonies opinions either.
brainerdrebel 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
The judge was discussing the law, not opinion.
United States v. Hooper, 1995 U.S. App. LEXIS 38246; 76 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 8026, 1995 WL 792039 at *1 (9th Cir. 1995). “Finally, we reject as frivolous Kolchev’s remaining contentions asserting that his wages are not taxable income, see 26 U.S.C. § 61, that notices of deficiency may only be issued to government employees, [citation omitted],
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
that the IRS code is not enforceable because it has not been enacted into positive law, [citation omitted], and that the Commissioner lacked delegated authority to issue the notice of deficiency, [citation omitted].”
Kolchev v. Commissioner, 1995 U.S. App. LEXIS 2683; 75 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 839, (9th Cir. 1995).
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
“The appellant’s argument regarding the validity of Title 26 is frivolous. The validity of Title 26 is not affected merely because it has not been codified as ‘positive law’.”
Hackett v. Commissioner, 791 F.2d 933 (6th Cir. 1986). “The claim that Title 26 was not enacted into ‘positive law,’ has been rejected as ‘frivolous,’ ‘baseless,’ ‘specious,’ and ‘preposterous.’ [Citations omitted]”
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
Regarding your discussion on slaves: “So far as the due process clause of the 5th Amendment is relied upon, it suffices to say that there is no basis for such reliance, since it is equally well settled that such clause is not a limitation upon the taxing power conferred upon Congress by the Constitution; in other words, that the Constitution does not conflict with itself by conferring, upon the one hand, a taxing power,
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@brainerdrebel
and taking the same power away, on the other, by the limitations of the due process clause.”
Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R., 240 U.S. 1, 24 (1916).
SadegoGG 8 months ago
Ed Brown Is a physico. My father was a police officer in lebanon during this. Ed Brown had high explosives in the woods around his house rigged up like booby traps, He had a 50.cal rifle that he threatened to use against police. And the video of the helicopter. HE LIVES AT THE END OF A FUCKING RUNWAY. of course there is going to be planes and helicopters.
ServiceAboveSelfk9 1 year ago
@ServiceAboveSelfk9 I would like to respectfully ask that you go on a search for the truth. Not the truth that you want to be enforced but the truth that exist. America is a foreign occupied nation being rotted from the inside out and being tapped for all it's worth to serve Israel. We aren't the only nation suffering this consequence. I appreciate your fathers service to his community and I support law and order.
sturmluger 1 year ago
@sturmluger
Please clarify what you mean when you claim the United States is a foreign occupied nation. As far as I understand, the United States is ran by elected US citizens by US citizens.
SadegoGG 8 months ago
@ServiceAboveSelfk9 you are a ass kissing anti american dick
dolphinedick 9 months ago
@dolphinedick No. Im not. I'm a law enforcement officer for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. I making 128,000 a year with 84% retirement and Full Health Benefits. So you crazy anti government assholes can keep on doing what your doing. Its not changing anything, Take ed as an example. 37 years. He should have fun with that.
ServiceAboveSelfk9 9 months ago
You are ENTITLED to be recognized by the legal title on the birth certificate ISSUED to you. PRESENT yourself as a man/woman and don't excercise the ENTITLEMENT. If there is no 'victim' ... you walk. Give up the illusion of OWNERSHIP.
Independent0bserver 1 year ago
Half the videos about free staters are of them getting their asses kicked. Their response is consistent: "Sir, that's my camera you're breaking;" Sir, You're assaulting me;" "Sir, you're tresspassing;" "Sir, your dick is in my anus...." They sound like the momma's boy in junior high who was always getting his underpants stolen.
JesusDillinger 1 year ago
When Tactikalguy1 sues, nobody fucking laughs. When the people he has helped sue, nobody laughs. I've spoken with Tactikalguy1. He he offered to help Dave Ridley, and DR turned him down. Why? Because, as DR admits, he scoffs at attempts to actually use the constitution as it was intended to be used, as a defense against government.
JesusDillinger 1 year ago
The reason FreeSters are losing their interest is because
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS FAILING
Either search "Pastor Sanderson." "Search Tactikalguy1" or go back to watching American Idol. People are sick of watching you people martyr yourselves. It ain't heroic to sit in a cage, you morons.
JesusDillinger 1 year ago
watch?v=e_eqtFD6760
watch?v=xTsjz0chxPI
watch?v=yRCgecaUcdc
Every state in the union will be free before NH, you pussies.
watch?v=QfCDJ80G7zU&playnext=1&list=PL2600F35DDDE131DA&index=11
JesusDillinger 1 year ago
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the people of the united states..Canada ..& UK do NOT want to pay income tax...don't want it..never did. so why are we paying this? cause if you don't the Privite Army called the Police will come and take you away and lock you up or kill you...I say Let the people Vote on this right Now! and stop the bullshit.
tarotimes 1 year ago
why is my government full of scumbags?
Prolite959 1 year ago
you lying bastard what the browns did was exactly what needed to be done you treasonous son of a bitch how dare you piss on what Ed brown and his wife did as they exposed your satanic Jesuit criminal government how dare you, you liar you'll face judgment for this unless you repent and come out with the truth the facts.
dfstarborn 1 year ago
you fucking idiot liar he asked for the treasonous government to produce the law where it says he had to pay for this fraudulent tax and they couldn't do it as it doenst exist its disinformation agents like you make honest men of god like this look bad. Repent for your big sin here, Ed deserves the support of the American people and your government need to be called up to court for high treason.
dfstarborn 1 year ago
Ed Brown was never in the wrong Ridley Report! What the hell are you saying????!!!! Unsubscribing!!
principles101 1 year ago
Thank you, Dave.
JesusDillinger 1 year ago
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Survival depends on humankind pulling together, but is that possible, given human nature.
ker2012 1 year ago
Ridley with all respect, every man has his own fight and own stand. Ed Brown choose his, you and I may fight smaller or trickier battles... or some may say less foolish, doesn't make any of our battles less right. They are all right, the government force is wrong.
Z0mgZ0mbies 1 year ago
well wen i was growing up the old rebel chant of the vietnam war was and i quote "hell no we won,t go"{ well now the chant should be "no way we arnt going to pay" the 16th admendment has never and i repeat never been ratafied! its a lie! a scam totally !show me the law that sayts i have to pay taxes on my own labor! the constuitution spefically states thats agains it.criminals of the new world order.the irs is not part of the us government. its the imf and world bank.
pauldrake2511 1 year ago
God Bless Ed and Elaine Brown and their supporters. They will be "free" before they die. We all must take up this fight , they have done more than enough.
gerryboy3699 1 year ago
If Ron Paul were elected, Ed and Elaine Brown would most certainly be pardoned, itmight even be his first action as president.
slewofdamascus 1 year ago
@slewofdamascus , ron paul is a joke. Anyone who supports any of these CONgress criminals and their foreign agent attorneys is a clown.
attorneydestroyusa 1 year ago
@attorneydestroyusa I have every reason to hope that RP is actually different, because his whole career (his voting record) speaks to someone outside the mainstream who votes his conscience; he has publicly stated his concern for ed and elaine. I believe he would pardon them.
slewofdamascus 1 year ago
@slewofdamascus you mean like when he presented a bill that proposed term limits? HE HASNT LEFT YET! You folks should look over his real record and then maybe you might see he is just another jew antagonist for their steering the sheep movie. I have finally lost hope in all of you folks. I really dont care to be on the same planet any longer
attorneydestroyusa 1 year ago
how was Ed owning guns illegal? I mean we have a right to bare arms do we not?
What a shame. here is a man who didn't want to pay the illegal and unconstitutional federal govt income tax and because of that, he is sent to jail for 37 years?
our country isn't about freedom, it is a giant jail cell.
real80smusic 1 year ago
it sounds like he should have had a shoot-out with them instead. maybe then they would have got the message that americans won't go quietly.
what if every american did that. lol
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
@TheNewMusicNetwork "what if every american did that." you would get shot, and most likely die....."it sounds like he should have had a shoot-out with them instead."....You are also crazy
:)
Dt0x75 1 year ago
LOL @Dt0x75 aka FUCKING LOSER.
what's the fuckin difference dipshit? Either rot in a jail or go out in a blaze of glory?
buy some more neurons shitbag.
case closed
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
@TheNewMusicNetwork go down in a blaze of glory....end your existance, and allow me to breathe the O2 you seem to waste with your IDIOTology. You crazies always make me laugh though....Doesnt matter what it is....its always against you.....Thats called paranoia. No dont rot in jail....Dont break the fucking law, and you wouldnt have to roty in jail, and hence in your crazy reality nor would you have to go out in a blaze of glory.....lol
Dt0x75 1 year ago
This is complete BS...isn't there anything tht can be done for these people?37 years is completely outragious and people should be furious!!!
xxDogsoldierxx 2 years ago 5
Jesuits are making a example of him.
mattandpatti222 2 years ago
If Ron Paul were President, he could pardon them.
residentzombie 2 years ago
Ron Paul is part of them you tard!
mattandpatti222 2 years ago
How since almost everything that Ron Paul stands for is against their agenda? Because of a handshake he gave with Bill Mahr? Ron Paul is the best shot to take us away from United Nation influence and restore the Constitution.
residentzombie 2 years ago 3
Ron Paul is Pro-Vatican! Do you know what that means? He supported Ronald Regan give The Vatican City a Sovereign State! He is part of JBS which is Catholic!
We are run by the Jesuits and Black Pope(Catholic)
mattandpatti222 2 years ago
Also Ron knows we gave are Voluntary Servitude by Deception! Fed. Gov. went Bankrupt in 1933. We now are DEBT SALVES to our Foreign Masters(Rome)
It is called getting a SS#. You are a Tax Slave that is all. no Constitution for Slaves!
mattandpatti222 2 years ago
Erwin Schiff made the same misstake.
residentzombie 2 years ago
may think twice when you're armed. In fact, if the Browns had not been armed they may have well been massacred by the chimpanzees cowering behind their cruisers. No question folks - we are living in a fascist state. Ed Brown is a political prisoner punished by "officials" who are an utter disgrace to the "law". The real criminals today are prosecutors & those wearing black robes, without a shred of difference between themselves & their Gestapo forbears of 60 yrs ago. There is no "law". It's dead
aerodc8 2 years ago 2
The comparison of the American Regime to Nazi Germany is unwarranted, plus it gives many good Germans a bad name. Germany was fighting for survival in the beginning; American's woes have been bought and paid for. Huge difference. Words like tyrannical, corrupt, greed, and unconstitutional would be entirely appropriate however. America is bankrupt and terrorized because of its failings at the legislative level and abroad, plain and simple.
Parent33w 2 years ago 2
You are right. The Constiution, the law, and rights have mostly been replaced with fascism in this country. Their rights, their laws, their privileges, their special interests, their future.
Parent33w 2 years ago
The lesson - if you are a govt. scumbag you can do whatever you like. Geithner can do far worse but because he's a member of the Nazi club he can continue to steal & live in luxury. Yet if just 1 of the "people" ever gets it into his head to assert his rights the subhuman monkeys called pros. & judges will see to it you "learn your lesson". Brown never threatened a single person. But our cowards in blue who are good at breaking down the doors of 86 yr olds or teen boys may think twice
aerodc8 2 years ago
Well, govt. Nazi goon squads are at it again. A man who simply wanted to keep what he earns from being stolen from him has been made an example of by yet another corrupt fed. pros. & fed judge. Obersturmbahnfuher singal & Herr kacacaca unrolled their swastikas by putting an utterly harmless man in prison for the rest of his life. Yet Geithner get walk scott free for doing worse.
aerodc8 2 years ago
"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world".
Abraham Lincoln
1' st course of action; starve the beast, then deal with what's left!
sigmundphreud 2 years ago
What doe it take to get people interested in creating a NEW FORM OF GOVERNMENT?
The one we now have, FAILED!
Kingery4President 2 years ago
I prefer an old form of government that tyrants don't care for... that of SELF GOVERNANCE!
I have no need for anyhting else as it only leads to violence, theft and tyranny... every time. Factual history backs me up... that said, I'd stil vote for you as prez of the US... though I really wouldn't want to do that to you... or me... have a president that is. ;)
AwakenedByTyranny 2 years ago
there is no form better than our form.
What we really need is to get people to wake up and vote worthy politicians into office
sandelpop 2 years ago
@sandelpop If this plan were able to work in the political corruption we now experience; I would agree with you and tell you this is the best Form of Government. However, in 40 some years, this is not likely to happen.
Our Founders did not procrastinate 40 years when the Confederacy "failed". They did not procrastinate 40 years to put solid restrictions on government with the 1st 10 amendments.
WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR?
Politicians KNOW how to remain corrupt while staying in the Const.
Kingery4President 2 years ago
Don't you know about the Free State Project yet?
LumpyRevolution 2 years ago
Tell me about it.
Kingery4President 2 years ago
Not meaning to be disrespectful but Mr Brown and his wife did not pay there taxes, something we all as citizen of this country are expected to do.
I understand the general dislike for paying taxes (myself included), but you can only ignore the law for so long.
We all pay taxes to maintain a "better then average" quality of life in this country for all of it's citizens, even if you don't normally use the services your taxes pay for, their there in case you need them.
Thank you for reading.
Dynamicuno999 2 years ago
@Dynamicuno999 If you are looking for " ready to eat" reports with all the reasearch done for you,, TV and newspapers are your options..
Lepiratepoulpe 2 years ago 2
You forgot Tyranny... this government is a tyranny... nothing more, nothing less. The only way that Ed Brown would have been successful is if 10,000 to 100,000 people refused to pay taxes all at once in support of Ed. We'd need enough people to actually make the news and be too much for the government to handle.... we need coordinated tax protests... because only one or two people will be murdered by the government. And yes, a 37 year sentence is murder to Ed and Elane Brown.
PatriotsRepublic 2 years ago 4
This is typical of the freedom movement. No movement! Noone was there to step up to the plate to defend the Browns in the end of all of this! Chicken sh**@!
principles101 2 years ago
doubt anyone is just going to risk the lives of all of those around them by opening fire
Liftidly 2 years ago
So if he was completely passive he would have gotten 27 years for violating no law? He would have fared better by engaging them with arms and dying a Free Man. Now he and his Wife will die in a violent Prison System with nothing to show for their endeavors.
rea1001 2 years ago
I feel like writing a folk song about, freeing Ed Brown.
Gilla1ness 2 years ago 3
So tragic. This is not America anymore.
NoLongerFooled 2 years ago 18