Katie Couric's Notebook: Waterboarding Debate (CBS News)

[TheFlex21]

I never thought of her as particularly sexy or anything, but all of a sudden I think she's a hot milf.

[knutervalve64]

i despise this woman just because

[smith22ndmeu]

I really don't see what the problem is. If it gets us the information we need I hope we keep on using this technique. We are fighting this war with our hands tied behind our back. We are destroying ourselves from within. This country is full of pansies.

[Nilgard]

The problem is you idiots don't allow torture but allow water boarding and claim it's not torture. You wouldn't last 10 seconds in that device - you pansy - while some people have to go through several minutes and by that time they will tell you they killed JFK or went to the moon, whatever you want them to say! Torture is wrong and doesn't work! Queer!

[smith22ndmeu]

These people are so twisted that they want to kill innocent people. They would gladly kill you and everyone in your family. The U.S. has only used water boarding 3 times one being the planner for 9/11. Water boarding was only used as a last resort. We obtained information that prevented an attack in Europe. My own brother was water boarded in training when he was becoming an aviator. Even if it is torture I don't give a shit, these people are evil and they deserve it. Queer.

[Nilgard]

You are so brain washed. I'd gladly join them and kill you and your family as well. Queer.

[smith22ndmeu]

I guess it will take another 9/11 before people realize we need to do this in order to gain information. If not water boarding, sleep deprivation, loud music, and so on.. How do you propose we obtain information needed to prevent a future attack such as 9/11? Personally, I can not see any other way.

[Nilgard]

Stop fucking around with other peoples business and they won't fucking have to!

[smith22ndmeu]

They hate us because we represent freedom. If they hadn't attacked us on 9/11 none of this would have happened. I'm all for staying out of peoples business. Don't bother us and we won't bother you.

[Nilgard]

They don't hate you because you represent freedom. They hate you because you remove their freedom.

[smith22ndmeu]

How do we remove their freedom?

[Nilgard]

By disrupting their politics, replacing the rule they had for decades (however bad it was in your eyes) with anarchy, suspecting everyone to be a terrorist and treating them as such. Many innocent people have suffered for what the US have done, and I'm not saying that makes 9/11 justified, I'm just saying respect them and they'll respect you. Now that you have hung Saddam, and you have created anarchy under the fragile control of young american boys, you can never leave. Terrorists always win.

[smith22ndmeu]

However, its not just the U.S. terrorists want to/have attacked Europe as well. The London bombings ring a bell? Its all over, not just the U.S. It seems as if we are the only ones willing to do anything about it.

[Nilgard]

First off, the best way to deal with terrorism is never to fight it off by pissing off the local people from which the terrorists gather new recruits.

Second, Swedish troops among many of my relatives are down in Afghanistan trying to do something about the situation (not necessarily terrorism, mostly retaining order).

Third, Great Britain is like the 51st state when it comes to "dealing" with terrorists in an inappropriate manor, which lead to an attack against them.

[smith22ndmeu]

Okay, I can understand that pissing off the locals is a bad idea. But how is it possible to fight off terrorism and not piss someone off?

[Nilgard]

Well my friend, that is an interesting question. Well you see terrorism is created from an underdogs hate! And once that hate has erupted, it's just not possible to defeat it with more bullets!

The best way to fight of terrorism would then be, since you have already fucked up Iraq and Afghanistan, to establish order there, if it's possible. And then move on and try to stop creating hate, and since that probably isn't entirely possible either, try to defeat it at home.

[Nilgard]

It's foolish to try and extinguish a fire with gasoline.

[smith22ndmeu]

What do you mean by trying to defeat it at home?

[Nilgard]

Why did the Vietnam war end (better yet; Why did you lose the Vietnam war?)? Due to lack of support from home!

In the same manor you could defeat terrorism by changing peoples world view, which would then stop hate and terrorism.

Also purely intelligence based initiatives such as the fifth echelon. It might put peoples integrity at risk but if it is but in government hands and not secret police hands (NSA (who has way to much freedom)) it can prevent a big terrorist attack.

[smith22ndmeu]

I agree that we need support at home. However, we disagree on how to obtain information. I also believe no matter what we do they will still continue to hate us and will only view that as weakness. I'm all for staying out of peoples business but we need to stabilize and get out of Iraq and Afghanistan first. They would love to see this country crumble and would not stop until that happens.

[Nilgard]

They would stop, because they would have to stop, once the US stopped giving them a reason.

Did the Muslims follow the Crusaders into Europe once they had beaten them out of Jerusalem? No, because they had by that point already obtained what they wanted to achieve.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Never forget that. What if you were the underdog and the enemy where to invade all of the US, wouldn't you fight them off? If only with a stone and a courageous heart? I would...

[wiskawind]

Bush & Co has destroyed America's reputation in the eyes of the world; impeachment is not enough! Bush & Co has to be put on trial for WAR CRIMES committed against the American people, and against humanity! Bush & his Republican Bush-Dogs have committed treason; they have betrayed their country, betrayed OUR Forefathers, and betrayed the very core values of the American people.