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  • there has been persecution in arab countries since zionist settlement began 120 years ago. i was not denying this, nor was this what we were even talking about at first (nor am i arab but thats another story). you cant switch the subject after i respond and say "hah!." thats dishonest...

  • first you were talking about "jews that lived in muslim countries for 1000's of years," (actually only 1400) and were persecuted with the dhimmi. then i tried explaining how this was untrue, that they lived well in the ottoman empire. (they were persecuted severly in christian countries during this time, and saw a safe haven in "beloved ottomania" as they called it) (the "dhimmi" was a legal status that expemted non-muslims from islamic law, but made them pay a poll tax (it was not as bad as..

  • you make it sound))then you respond by switching the subject to just the past 100 years, which is different...

    i admit i dont know much about this period. ill check out those books you recommended.

    but i suggest you do some research into the movements of populations prior to this past century. if you think jews have the rights to every place they once lived, you should also be calling for large sections of spain, greece, the balkans, and eastern europe. not just arab lands and...

  • if make these accomodations for everyone, we might as well relocate nearly every person on earth. the US needs to be evacuated to the Native Americans, most english should be forced back to germany and the land given to the welsh, the list goes on and on...

  • here are more sources and references, books galore.jewish expulsion of arab lands one of the most documented facts in history. even if you traveled to egypt the great synagogue in cairo still stands in ruins.

    B. Morris and I. Black, Israel's Secret Wars (Grove Press, 1992)

    Yehuda Grinker (an organizer of Jewish emigration from the Atlas), The Emigration of Atlas Jews to Israel, Tel Aviv, The Association of Moroccan Immigrants in Israel, 1973

  • Avneri, Arieh (1984). Claim of Dispossession: Jewish Land-Settlement and the Arabs, 1878-1948. Transaction Publishers. ISBN 0-87855-964-7

    justice must be served. annapolis conference and peace conferences must address the stolen land from jews by arabs in arab countries.

  • Roumani, Maurice (1977). The Case of the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue, Tel Aviv, World Organization of Jews from Arab Countries, 1977 and 1983 (ASIN B0006EGL5I)

    where are your sources besides joseph goebels and propaganda and arab lies??

    you fake!!!!

  • Cohen, Hayyim J. (1973). The Jews of the Middle East, 1860-1972 Jerusalem, Israel Universities Press. ISBN 0-470-16424-7

    Cohen, Mark (1995) Under Crescent and Cross, Princeton, Princeton University Press.

    De Felice, Renzo (1985). Jews in an Arab Land: Libya, 1835-1970. Austin, University of Texas Press

    # Lewis, Bernard (1986). Semites and Anti-Semites: An Inquiry into Conflict and Prejudice, W. W. Norton & Co. ISBN 0-393-02314-1

  • it is these refugees who come from the lands that kicked the jews out. why dont their countries take them back and give the jews back their land?

  • the real question is why does Egypt get 3 billion in aid a year when only 15% support the u.s.??

    that's the real question.

  • and do you believe you will make to heaven with a dirty vocab?

  • praise be to god. All mujahedeen or jihadists please visit me for more info

  • "this broadcaster says gaza crippled by an israeli blockade"

    what about israel only 300 sqaure miles crippled by 1000's of miles of arab lands on israeli territory?

  • lol. All those Arab countries lick USA ass. And Israel has American support, so you know. Its actually in Israels favour.

  • you mean saudis are the biggest winners of all. because of israel and the u.s. the saudi royal family are multi trilioanaires and make bill gate slook like a pauper.

    arab crooks!

  • actually you're wrong they're.

    the U.S. is the biggest winner of all. It has revived the British Empire's age old policy of Divide and Rule and is benefitting from the instability all around the world.

  • actually you're wrong.

    the united states has more individual millionaires and billionaires than any other country. this is becuase its the free world and a democracy. men have the ability to rise from any level that talent will take them.

    in the Saudi world you're either a king or a pheasant. there is no opportunity for the average joe. the Saudi family take everything on the backs of the oppressed that do all the work. the Saudi royal family are the winners of all.

  • i am talking about the U.S. Government and it's foreign policies, which are divide and rule.

    It is allied with both Israel and Saudi, Kuwait etc. who are enemies of each other.

    These policies are similar to the old British Empire.

  • the saudis come out way head of all of them.

    they run OPEC and the system benefits them the most. arab muslim countries are ruled by kingdoms and hierarchy. no free elections or a democracy. the people have no say and get no benefit of any prosperity. out of all the prosperity that the u.s. and other countries have had in modern civilization, the prosperity benefited the saudi royal family more than any other group.

  • yeah, so since the US has taken up the role of being the world's police, why don't we see and operation Saudi Liberation, or an Operation Kuwaiti Liberation, in which these dictatorships are replaced with democracies??

    because it works in the US goverments favour.

  • simple. middle eastern arab muslim countries dont identify with democracy. it failed with the shah in iran and its failing in afghanistan and iraq. arab muslim countries dont identify with a democracy. they only identify with a select few that become extreme wealthy and powerful while the rest of the population suffer under their dictatorships.

  • when you use the term "the united states" you are talking about millions of rich people. in saudi arabia it is only a handful. the rest starve. that is the difference.

    the biggest loser out of all of them is israel. they cant even hold on to the tiny amount of land that they have. israel is the school boy which the very large very powerful international community is always checking up on.

  • well, Israel has developed the land it does have very well. And it is stealing land from the palestinians in West Banks in a very clever fashion.

    It also receives something close to 60 billion dollars every year from you US Taxpayers.

    Good for you.

  • palestinians? there arent any palestinians. palestinians are a myth. the word palestinian was created by emperor Titus of rome during their conquest of israel and the name "palestinian" is an insult to the jews that didnt want to convert to the customs of rome. so the first palestinians were jews. there arent any palestinians now. these "palestinians" as you call them are jordanian and egyptian refugees who dont belong in israel. it is not their land.

  • they are stealing land from the jews and it has to be returned. israel is the land of the jewish people. is and always has been. it does not belong to any arab refugees who call themselves "palestnians", henry the eighths, tribe of new guinea or whatever the hell they want to call themselves.

    err...no israel gets 3 billion in aid. israel is an ally of the u.s., support the u.s., allows intelligence and air rights to them. its a good investment to keep the middle east stable.

  • they are the wealthiest and most powerful individuals off the backs of the united states and the west.

    arab crooks.

  • wrong. the british empire colonized lands and reaped the spoils. the u.s. has gotten nothing out of the iraq andiran war but the taxpayers like me who have to foot the bill.

    where is the benefit? i am american. i dont feel it. i only see a loss when i get my tax bill.

  • YOU don't get a benefit. your president does.

    just like in your congress, they pass bills that don't benefit you but benefit the congressmen.

    For e.g. in India, for most of its colonized history, it was ruled by a Private COMPANY called the East India Company. I'm sure none of the British People never saw the profits.

    Isn't that how your Capitalism works?

  • no becuase in britian all the money went to british crown. in the united states we have a progressive society. there are more millionaires and billionaires in the united states than any other country which means the distribution of wealth is the fairest. look how many rags to rishes stories you have in this country? abraham lincoln, bill clinton, jimmy carter were all poor and look what they became?

  • only in the united states the average joe can make it. so the benefits are seen by many, not only the president.

    do you mean to tell me bush is better off than bill gates?

  • "Isn't that how your Capitalism works? "

    right, our system clearly benefits those at the top. only it has to be more subtle, so they make it seem like the bills are benefitting ALL the people. this is to prevent rebellion, which is the 3rd major role of the state (collecting taxes and raising an army being the first 2). just look at idiots like tallbrooklynguy, who cling to the rare hope of joining the ranks of the oppressors, and will therefore never rebel against them.

  • also its interesting you bring up the East India Company. such Companies clearly illustrate the merge of political and economic power in our not-to-distant history. such a mergence still remains in our current corporate, quasi-fascist system, although its way more complex and therefore harder to identify as such.

    this is how Palestine was first colonized by Zionists, through the Jewish-Ottoman Land Co. they were a private company with the backing of the official gov (Ottoman)

  • arab territory!!

  • israeli territory!

  • And no matter where these refugees are from, there is a civilized way to go about in removing them. Israel is not practicing it. And then these refugees get angry(just like the tibetans are starting to these days), The United States is suddenly the authority on who is a terrorist.

  • like there was a civilized way to treat jews that lived in muslim countries for 1000's of years. instead, arab countries imposed a dimi on all jewish communities and made them wear a star much like the nazis did to identify them. from about 23 muslim countries 100's of 1000's of jews were persecuted and murdered and exiled. additionally, approximately 300 billion in jewish land was confiscated.

    why havent the Sephardic jews been compensated for the land that was stolen from them?

  • all non-muslims in the Ottoman Empire had to pay a poll tax (the jizya), not just jews but also Christians. their communites were semi-autonomous, meaning they ran their own courts, religious services, and other matters. (until the tanzimat reforms of the mid 19thC which made all religions equal, and repealed the jizya).

  • minorities (including Jews) were actually treated very well in Muslim lands, and had a relatively high standard of living, especially compared to the way jews and muslims were treated in christian lands.... so im not sure where you got your information from, or even what you are specifically reffering to in the case of the murders and persecutions, because that was certainly not common.

  • treated very well???!!! they were chased out!!

    you should be treated as well.

    you mean your not sure where you're getting your information from other than made up propaganda. over 800,000 saphardic jews native to the middle east before any islam itself inhabited 22 arab countries. they had their land stolen away, were imposed a dimmi and were killed and exiled. wrong. Not "all religions were treated this way"? what kind of wild propaganda is that look up the dimmi and and stop making up stories

  • i hope your not Jewish because if you are youre a disgrace to your people. go to the library and check out some books on the jewish diaspora. (actual books, not your usual propaganda websites) get some knowledge of your history, then get back to me. until then stop making a fool out of yourself by posting this nonsense.

  • you're an asshole. you deny that jews were persecuted, killed and chased out over the past 100 years by muslim arab countries. this is one odf the most documented facts in history.

    the only library you know of os the library of joseph goebels you miserable lowlife.

    you are making a foll out of yourself you miserable lowlife.

  • you deny the hardships and shuffering of people at the hands of your people becuase yopu are ashamed of your actions. now you attacks jews for living in israel when it was you arabs that threw jews out of their lands.

    time to ignore you you damn fool. i dont debate lowlive scum that deny history. its pointless.

    oh and one last thing....am yisroel chai!!!

    am yisroel chai!!

  • If someone were to try and divide the US what would Americans do? The same thing the Jews are doing. That is their land so why are people trying to give away something that doesn't belong to them. If they want to go back to the Abrahamic promise, more than just Israel belongs to the Jews!

  • Annapolis2007=Munich1938 When the west will learn not feed the (islamic) crocodiles? the US betrayal of Israel won't save western consupmtionist paradise so why act like total whores and rascals?

  • I guess it makes you an anti-semite?

  • Wow..ok...(sarcasm)Hamas is a twinkly teletubby; innocent victim who doesn't espouse the destruction of a state in its charter and would whole-heartedly join the peace process if the region's borders went back to pre 1947.(/sarcasm)

  • No..they are a state..The US and Europe have explicitly named them on their list of terrorist groups. As a non-state entity, Hamas has the destruction of Israel as a priority in their charter. The above quote succintly depicts their motivations.

  • They refused to attend thre talks anyway. They are deemed a terrorist group as well.

  • This is what Hamas thinks literally:

    "Palestine is Arab Islamic land, from the river to the sea, including Jerusalem... there is no room in it for the Jews."

  • Let them eat cake.

  • Give them a state. When they continue to attack Israel, blame the state. No more hiding behind "rogue elements" bullshit. Hold the state accountable. It really is that easy.

  • Amen to that.

  • Well its not that easy.

    If they'll have a country, they'll immigrate back to it from all the countries they fled to when Israel was formed. I don't know about you, but I (in case you didn't noticed, I live in Israel) don't wanna live surrounded with more than 5 million islamic radicalists, that procreate like bunnies (WITHOUT palestinians having a country, the arabs in Israel & the PA will be of an equal amount of population of jewish Israelies no later than 2025).

  • Palestine.. what a con. There simply is no Palestine. And if any fucking Muslims dares say I'm lying i will post you various trust worthy links e.g. Wikipidea. Then you will still deny it. So don't even bother commenting on me Muslims i don't care what you say.

  • "i will post you various trust worthy links e.g. Wikipidea."

    HAHAH are you serious? you mean the website where idiots like you can edit and post whatever they want? have you ever heard of a scholarly journal or these things called books? Wikipedia - trustworthy? BWHAHAHAHA. thanks for the laugh.

  • you're a peice of shit anti semetic propaganda spreading bastard!

    the wikipedia sitye (if you knew how to read which you dont) has links to sources.

    let me guess. you deny the holocaust as well.

    fuck you!

  • you miserable waste of sperm...lol!!

    100s of books and articles have been written about the jewish expulsion from arab lands

    typical you to deny one of the documented facts in history. hat else do you deny? did world war 2 happen? do you deny day and deny night? pinhead!

  • sheepblitzer Did i not say after i post the link you will still not belive me and did i not also say do not bother replying if you are a Muslim. I have stopped even listening to Muslims becuase I personaly think they are all retarded and it is my right to think so. So dont talk to me dont reply to me I dont care I am not listening. You are a Muslim. (Lower Then Scum)

  • actually im not a muslim...

    either way why does it matter. apparently you are unwilling to listen to anything which might pop your bubble of ignorance.

    if you want to share your supposed "sources" im just dying to see them. that is, if you werent so afraid of a rebuttle...

  • Why do the so-called "leaders" of Hamas feel the need to scream their comments a la Hitler circa 1933 Nuremberg?

    If you have something important to say, you needn't yell, as intelligent people will stop, quiet down and listen.

    Perhaps that's more of a commentary on the gathering of lemmings to whom he was shrieking...er...speaking. Hamas and their ilk survive on the ignorance and brainwashing of the masses.

  • Why are we giving our hard earned money to these scum? They are sickening. They certainly don't deserve a state.

  • we should not!

  • Give the pretend-refugees a state! Bush and Rice have gone off the deep end; this comes from an ardent (used-to-be) supporter. Their throwing of Israel under the bus is among the most shameful deeds ever done in the name of "freedom."

  • when i mentioned the US I was referring to the civil war

  • what would they have to do to make you sympathize....you want them harmless and crying so we feel pitty and give them state?... they're fighting for their rights whether we like it or not...they can not dissapear...take a look at the US fighting for their freedom few 100 years ago, I bet they looked more aggressive not mentioning vulgar

  • yeeeehhhhhhhhh

    lets give them a state!

    lol

  • Savages, the lot of 'em.

  • What kind of of society would you expect when a multitude of young men cannot afford or find wives, because of polygamy? Ungovernable, in a word.

  • "why not use suicide bombers"

    bahahahahahhaah...says it all.

  • Give 'em a "state". Riiiight.

  • Thank you for showing Palestinians for the scum they are.

  • They don't want peace, its quite simple

  • Shows clearly that the Palestinians do not want peace so there is no point negotiating.

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