conservatives don't like anything "being about race" because the minute we all sit down and have an honest discussion about race, people like Benjamin Franklin can be swayed with reason and compassion. Faux news don't want to talk about America's history with race for the exact same reason the KKK wear bed sheets, because the minute it's out in the open everybody is a disgusted, the difference is America (and the right wing) isn't made up of a bunch of racists and thugs, it's the opposite.
The founding fathers were all veil racists.... we should abolish teaching American history and make the official language spanish and bring in millions of Iillegal mexican drug dealers and criminals so we can be culturally enriched by diversity!
Look, lots of white people are racist. Most of the Founding Fathers were racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, bigots, some of whom had the self control of a farm animal. Why else would they consider other human beings as 3/5ths of a person? It is what it is. That is who your country was founded by. It doesn't mean that has to be your destiny. You can change it if you want. But I don't see many whites who would want to change it.
@godfreewoman 3/5ths is called a compromise on purpose..It was a compromise. And yeah, some didn't control themselves like Alex Hamilton but others did. Mostly good points though.
hey ..... the reason there is all this bigotry( what they call racism ) is because of all the same distinctions you just made in your video ..... and to put down Benjamin Franklin is very low ..... I mean the man has being dead for 100+ years ... and thanks for the freedom that he left, you can put a video with your opinion without fear of persecution
Hey why don't you say republican once more on this video ..... I think that's what it needs .... the bottom line is that the government should have nothing to say about education or what the schools are to do .... but lets be honest ....... all this mexican-american study programs are to help the illegal children in the U.S.A .... but I digress ... government should have nothing to say about education .... that's why the school average is so low .
In Ecuador when I studied world history they taught us about slavery. Many people lack the knowledge that there were white and black slaves. The rich people were the ones that segregated the poor people (now called classism) Through history atrocities have been committed against other races, but western Europeans have been the worst. If someone (color of skin is irrelevant to be racist) gets offended by it, well that's ignoring the facts and just applying self pity because of personal guilt.
Ok, I don't know how you guys feel about it, but I’m just going to put my opinion out there...the Founding Fathers were people who started a good thing, but they were far from perfect, as a few of them owned slaves and thought nothing of taking land from the Native Americans....but they've been dead for well over 200 years. I feel that we should look back on history and learn from it, but remember that they’re dead and times have changed and we need to move forward. But that's just my opinion...
There is a trend towards almost deifying the founding fathers towards the point of denying any flaws or faults they may have had. I think this falls in that category. Rather than appreciating the mistakes they made and learning from them, people want to deny history and turn them into these perfect super-human entities whose words are divine and must be adhered to - to the letter - hundreds of years later, rather than realizing that the world and the societies living in it change.
While I am a liberal and despise racism, some of these classes, like my Race in America class, take a very anti-white tone and don't present history from an objective viewpoint. My class even went to far as to blame white people for Mexicans exploiting Mexicans in Mexico, simply because Americans bought the products. Any class that presents the south-west as rightfully Mexican is horribly racist. There is no justification for taking the land by military force, but Mexico was doing the same.
@TheCFTube I was in the classes, and I agree. AND I'm a hispanic Mexican American, I love the U.S to death with my own family serving from WWI to Present day, these classes don't really hate the American whites, but they emphasize animosity towards our other side they hide, our European Spanish heritage.
@TheInsidiousParadigm Exactly, we have to acknowledge that whites in America have been discriminatory to say the least. My main gripe is that these classes often leave out whites who fought for civil rights, as early as Brown. People even died for them. Giving an objective view, instead of lumping all the guilt on one people is better idea.
@TheCFTube If you feel guilty after taking a class in ethnic studies, then you have missed the point of them and the arguments that have been raised by scholars in those fields, many of whom are white. I've taken plenty of classes on ethnic studies in college and not once did I feel that a single author was attempting to create resentment towards white people.
@beeeefcurtains I didn't say I feel guilty or that these classes shouldn't be taught. I just stated that for once, these people might have a point. I think the one that wrote the course material for our class was white as well, but it wasn't historically accurate. I can't comment on your course, but ours was full of speculation and neglected to mention any racism by any other race or mention one white person that supported civil rights. Both of which make the course incomplete.
To be fair, everyone was racist back in the 18th century. In truth, Franklin was probably less racist than most of his contemporaries... though only slightly.
You know what's ridiculous. There's a class on the cultural influence of Lil' Kim... Don't you think the Mexican people have had more influence than someone who's biggest contribution to culture was being felt up by Dianah Ross on some awards show?
if u want INTERNATIONAL CURRENT EVENTS in english, that are some reason ignored by the western media then please visist CHANNELEDKNOWLEDGE:ORG its the news mainstream media ignores..
Can I please get a thumbs up if the stupid question at the end makes you want to watch LiberalViewer less? Lays out nice information. Sources it all. Then at the end of the video paraphrases one of the closes remarks, and for some reason reads it awkwardly after having just spoken it as a fluid sentence, and puts a stark red background behind it.
So learning how we came to speak another European language beside English and how we intermixed with Europeans to create the predominant racial demographic of modern Mexicans (mestizos) somehow translates to Fox News as teaching anti-White ideologies... hmmmm
I guess they only mention Miguel Hidalgo (a white guy) as one of the Founding Fathers of Mexican Independence because they must hate his whiteness so much. And don't even get me started with John Riley and St Patrick's Battalion. lol x D
Talking of the history of the southern 'slave states' it might be worth remembering that they were once Spanish. The Spanish enslaved the native people whilst the Portuguese slaughtered them in favour of importing African slaves, which they did immediately; ie from 1493.
All the comments are replies because people talk such shite all the time! Anyway, surely...SURELY we have to consider the fact that B.Franklin's com
ments were made centuries ago? No? Of course there's no excuse for racism but ignorance is and was often prevalent and though B.F. was no victim, he may have been an un-witting idiot.
I don't think you can criticize another person for not knowing a trivial fact like the racial views of one American. Franklin was an interesting person and helped found America, but it's not as if we should know every detail about the man. Franklin can be quoted for saying "No man should have more than he needs", which sounds like a Marx's quote. However, if someone calls him a proponent of Capitalism, I wouldn't hold it against them and make them read all of his works.
I see it this way, the Atheneans also had democracy, but their version of democracy compaired to the various western world versions of democracy existing today are not equal. On another issue, DeKlerk was one of the most known defenders of apartheid in South Africa, but he & Nelson Mandela signed the Submission To The Truth And Reconciliation Commission treaty & abolished the system. I'm just saying.
ban a study about racial violence towards a race, because that race will have a small probability of showing racial violence towards them, us whities have it coming, really, let them
I would contrast the "racism" of someone like Franklin by observing his actions and his posterity contrasted with someone like McGovern... If the "racism" of the past is to be seen solely by modern sensibilities and not be informed by the culture of the times, then we're missing the point. Historical revisionism is a crime far worse than the "racism" of Franklin... and this criminal is still alive.
@hellshade2 I think you misunderstood. Through the lens of the times, people thought that science supported it. Read the literature of the times is all I mean.
@culturalhonesty Yes Mexican history starts with white people because the great majority of mexicans are mestizos which means "a mix of european and native American decent"...most mexicans are not direct decendants of native Americans but a mixture of both native Americans and spaniards...so eat your words my ignorant brother
Its funny, because growing up in TUSD I was the most horrible English and History student. However, if I was actually given a history class or a writing class with emphasis on my own culture I most likely would have done much better just as I am in college. Sorry, but the fact that I was not taught any of my own Mexican-American history has pushed me further, today, to have more tensions towards white people especially Republican Christians.
@ufster81 even thou I don't agree with that Mongoloid you're replying to - Grateful to germany?
If anything Germany is close to being "even" considering they enslaved the nation for nearly 2 centuries, and then invaded it, weakening it to the point that it had to fall under Soviet influence after the war - I'd go to a length that we don't own anything to them, at least not yet.
The fact is this, if you told blacks and hispanics that you can't teach them their ethnic history simply because they had no written language, you would be telling them the truth, and this would be unacceptable
@culturalhonesty Do I need to disprove that a Hispanic has no written history? Do you know that Hispanic is someone who speaks Spanish? Do you know that language history is well recorded since it was called Latin? Of course you do not know, because you're an idiot.
@NLSJ so their history starts with white people lmao. i figured you might go with the handful of mayan pictograms, but instead you are going with that Mexican history starts with white people coming there lmao
@culturalhonesty Considering that about 80% of all Latin American gene pool is European, yes. And you inability to understand that there are other Spanish-speaking countries other than Mexico is also funny.
Republicans can't give people the facts that would upset them. Plus they would have to learn them AND then teach them. Keep people ignorant and everyone wins!
@IKiLLNRapeCOMMUNISTS In reading your reply to me and others you seem to be very angry and upset about confronting racial privilege and discrimination. It is understandable, most people don't like to look deeper into these issues. I do not know what you look like but if you are white (and look white) and Polish in the US you have white privilege. You might face prejudice being Polish when people identify you as Polish, and that is wrong. You can't justify racism by citing other forms of racism.
@IKiLLNRapeCOMMUNISTS Well, first of all, Irish is a nationality, not an ethnicity. Ethnic-Irish refers to those with Gaelic Celt ancestry that has mixed over time with the English, Normans, Scots, etc. There are many studies about the Irish and many studies about (Western) Europeans in general. People from India are not all part of the same ethnic group. Most Indians belong to the Indo-Aryan ethnicity. They are not the wealthiest people in the US. Stop trying to justify your prejudice.
His vid was based on fantasy. To categorize Benjamin Franklin into a stereotypical characterization is nothing more than, well, fantasy. Liberal viewer is everywhere in the video, and in the end, he justifies his point by associating Franklin with the "racist" Republican Party. He should have said what he intended to say than pretend to be smart.
But like you said, is all fantasy. He is a very hard-leftist(liberal viewer).
Of course if Mexicans or Black people are making good in school the republicans are afraid. Who would they look down to if not them? They are afraid to see themselves as they really are...not special or better than any other human can be.
I usually like your videos but it is rather ignorant to call Benjamin Franklin a racist. We cannot apply today's definition of the word "racist" to historical revolutionary figures of the past. With today's definition, we can call all of these revolutionary figures 'racists', but that's not the point..we have to compare their ideas and thoughts to the ideas and thoughts of thier proper century, not those of our own.
Fox News neglected to point out the party affiliation because it did not serve their agenda. Pointing out that the "Education Leader" was a Republican would have revealed the political nature of their actions, and that would be bad for the Arizona Republican party.
Viewing Franklin's words through a 21st century lens, it is clear that his thoughts were indeed racial, but not necessarily RACIST within the context of his essay. At the time, white colonists almost universally looked down on blacks as inferior beings, even as they opposed slavery. It was the times. This even was many decades before the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a black man was not a whole man, and therefore not entitled to a complete vote in the infamous Dred Scott decision.
That's so sad. This man is a bless in this country. You should feel proud having a man like that. When he wrote a letter to his mom, he told her he wished people would say he "lived usefully", not he "died rich."
And you want to know what he did with The Quakers at that time? Obviously you don't, because my niece read about him in her Social Studies book.
Us Hispanics have Aztec and Spaniard blood, and are we embarrassed of our history of violence and conquest and rape? Heck no. That's our history, we have no guilt. And you too shouldn't be feeling white guilt. That's where you originate from, don't change history because of how life was back then. And Ben Franklin is the ONLY Founding Father who gets quoted by minorities, yet you attack his character?
@conservativesaiyan I'm pretty sure that the number of Hispanic with Aztec blood is ridiculously low given that ... you know, the Aztecs lived in Mexico only. Oh, and Franklin was a white man and Anglo-Saxon upper class in the eighteenth century, was a racist by definition.
Is just premature and invalid. Do you know what Jefferson said about blacks? His writings are arguably more offensive than all of the Founders, but guess what? Slavery was as polarized back then as well. Jefferson wanted to blame the British for slavery in the Declaration of Independence -- though it was more political -- but at the last minute it was scraped. Yet you wanna bash American History?
@conservativesaiyan Telling the truth is not 'bashing'. All history has good and bad points, but whitewashing them to make it more appealing to Americans isn't a good thing. Americans basing thier decisions on fantasy is causing enough problems. Only by looking at things rationally and in an unbiased way can we make a better society. Prenting these guys walked on water doesn't help anyone.
That's not racism, is just natural thought. That's how things were back then, and guess what? Ben Franklin is THE only Founding Father talked more thoroughly in Social Studies than the other founders. The reality is Ben said a lot about many minorities in that time -- including Germans(which may have caused him a seat). But to pick on him on that?
What;s interesting is that under the Obama administration we had ZERO illegal immigration and 400k have been deported, the double than under George W. Bush, but Repiblicans don;t want to talk about that just scapegoating any hispanic for their political interest. LET'S FACE IT REPUBLICANS ARE NOT RACISTS .... BUT THEY ARE RACIST TOLERANTS ;))))))
if the serfs ever become aware of how the system works, they might want to overthrow the local barons and dukes. This kind of history, therefore, needs to be only discussed in quite rooms.
Latin people, Native Americans, and blacks should know their history cause we all know that the victors of history may only tell their side of the story. It would be a great intellectual dishonesty and a disservice to historical accuracy to exclude substantiated accredited corroborate historical records of other cultures.
@athews1976 historical records of other cultures do not amount to racial studies. deviding poeple into groups and teaching them history through an racially bias tribal lens will only serve to further the myth of "race"
I've notide lately that the questions at the end of your videos are getting decidedly less neutrally worded. That may be the aim, but I just thought I'd point that out. Still a big fan though!
This is an erroneous argument from both sides. Sure, Franklin was racist, but so was the vast, overwhelming majority of humanity in the 18th century. When we label people racist, in the context of our time, it is an attack on their character and morality, and is inappropriate for judging historical figures in the context of theirs.
@joethecabdriver I agree, nevertheless we cannot call their racism anything other than what it is. Keep in mind such racism did not exist in Shakespeare's Othello, written in the 16th century, nor did it exist in the Koran or the New Testament.
A person's beliefs, to a certain extent, are crafted by their culture. Although it is true that Franklin had racist comments, we shouldn't view that as a component on his person. Rather, we should understand that his views are an appendage of his time.
2. Fox News and other conservatives have figured out that in public debate, more often than not people will meet in the middle. So they simultaneously are promoting ludicrously far right positions, and moving the "unbiased middle ground" as many steps to the right as possible. It makes me sick. The left has them too, but usually they take a specific cause like animal rights or environmentalism. It's scary that conservatives picked "how people live" as their agenda.
@FerretBob I was using a sweeping generalisation to illustrate a point. Naturally lines drawn on a map can never truly correspond to ethnic homogeny. They used the word hispanics though and while the descendents of spanish colonials have been less conservative in mixing with natives than the anglos of northern america, they are still "white" in a colloquial sense and I assume (although I admit I could be wrong) that those descendents are in a majority in Mexico.
I say that most Republicans need a history lesson of some sort, starting with Palin and the rest of Fox news.
IMO, I think the reason why they left out the Republican partisanship is just to place another dark image upon government in general, and with the current government under Pres. Obama it is just another road to make people distrust the government and Obama overall.
All Indigenous peoples of North America have full right to be shit steaming mad about the past.When people talk about ethnic cleansing it´s all NAZI`S!! but, America and Canada are no better.Of course the Republicans don´t want ANYBODY to have ANY interlectual ammo about ANYTHING because facts are scary&make people change there minds about things.God forbid anyone being informed.As for Ben Franklin, at least he admitted his logic may be faulty&he did learn from his faults&make up for them later.
@superfisto I don´t think learning about the past is the same as creating racism against whites. The people learning in the class may get angry, and rightfully so however, they have a right to learn about the past so they can better the future. Anger can also be a healthy human emotion, people must be mature enough to handle the TRUTH.
"for such kind of partiality is natural to mankind"
Every one is racist. That does not make the racism in Franklins early years wrong, as you are racist, as well as I. In fact, accusing Franklin of racism is equivalent to accusing him of gluttony, as both are inherent in all human beings. Since both are inherent, you have no moral ground to condemn him. But the fact that Franklin gave repentance of his racism, and joined the abolitionist society, shows he was at least trying to right a wrong.
Let's just let the blue states be blue and the red states be idiots. We're obviously not going to resolve this. Please, red states, secede from the union. I'm begging you. Too bad the south lost the war, we'd be better off without them.
No...... I'm not taking anything out of context. You're mistaken bigotry for racism. People will all always hold on to prejudices and those who understand this, take advantage, it's Machiavellian.
If we were talking about the lay people of the time, your comment may have some validity. We are not talking about common folk. We are talking about some well read, highly educated men. Men of privilege, who have knowledge of world history and the achievement
@qwertyuiopaaaaaaa7 When looking at the Founders through 21st century goggles, it turns out they're all just racist, sexist pigs. Unfortunately, once you focus on that, you never get to the fact that they were actually very advanced, "enlightened" thinkers for THEIR era; they rejected Divine Right of Kings, and created a brilliant new form of govt. I don't defend the Republican guy, I'm just saying IMO the word "racist" is anachronistic here.
@ivyshoots How can you be a very advanced, "enlightened" thinker, without realizing that "all men are created equal" extends to slaves? Seems like they weren't all that advanced, and that they were bigoted, just like a lot of people to day.
@CoqueSpoke Consider the time, all the information was not available as it is today Their knowledge of Africans was mostly tribal people hunting and dancing, while they themselves had what they considered civilized societies. All scientists at the time in Europe thought it a fact that Africans were of less intelligence (Including Darwin) and most thought that of women too. It was very hard to even come to the idea of equality at that point in history, take a second to think about it.
@DeadButBreathing "It was very hard to even come to the idea of equality at that point in history, take a second to think about it."
With the "scientific" explanations at the time does that excuse the beliefs at the time? Does the aztec belief of cutting out your live enemies heart become justified because that was the only thing they knew and truelly believed at the time?
I think that Franklin is not excused, especially after owning a lot of slaves and having sex with them as well.
@DeadButBreathing I think you're delving too far into it. They wanted to believe that slaves were less than human or at least less human than themselves. Why did they WANT to believe this? Because slaves WERE PROFITABLE, the founding fathers talked a lot about equality for a time "very hard to even come to the idea". They said they wanted people to be equal, but they were referring to people they weren't exploiting. tons of people back then knew slavery was wrong, your argument is just flawed.
@CoqueSpoke Indeed people knew that slavery was wrong, it didn't mean the society thought that blacks were equal to whites, read any books written at the time that were written by highly respected men, I was reading a novel by a famous author that refereed to black people having "primitive negro brains" and it bothered me considering I like the author's writing. Yet this view was so common in that society that highly respected men could say that publicly and still be respected at the time.
We'll, I just find the rat out of the sewer. Why don't you crawl back into your whole and re think your comments on racism, because I got plenty of comments showing what a little racist bastard you are. Do some research again and stop pleading racism. Learn some real science for a change
@Reido2828 You think i havent come to expect your bullshit, Reido? In the face of bold-faced racism (which is blatant in both the cases with Ben Franklin and "iKillNRapeCommunists,") You have the GALL to deny any claim. Give me a FUCKING break already, admit your idiocies, move on, and be a better person for it. Quit trying to postpone it, you're only denying yourself the opportunity for maturation.
I have no idea who those people are. Again, your language reveals how young you actually are. I have never encountered a bigger idiot troll before. Can I send you an award? Perhaps links showing La Raza as a true racist party, maybe the chairman of the democratic party in California yelling out reconquest of the south. Shall I destroy your ugly arguments again? Or can I show people the racist comments you sent to me over the last months? Really stupid boy, really stupid
@Reido2828 LMAO LA RAZA REAL RACIST? This seems to be played, but I think you would learn so much from doing so: look in the mirror. The only thing you've accomplished is childish name-calling, which doesn't do much in the way of proving your point. Have you seen La Raza accomplishments? I doubt you have, otherwise, you wouldn't be consistently spouting your mouth and continuously blaming the victims. Give me a BREAK.
I have seen it and I have also seen many of the racist rants. You never acknowledged any of the videos and articles I sent you about the "Reconquista" debate currently taking place with the California democratic party chairman nor did you acknowledge any of the videos with protests demanding whites leave California. Again, the only name calling done in our talks was by you and the continuous distortion was done by you. Continue this into the PM box
@CoqueSpoke But just because they didn't consider them as equals, does not mean they thought that slavery was right, in fact it's pretty easy to figure out that slavery is wrong. You're acting like everyone in that society WANTED to be racist because they all wanted to profit, but even poor white people without slaves had that mentality of racism in them, it was obvious that majority did not believe in equality. Women were "lesser humans" to a large extent too.
@ivyshoots how is it anachronistic? because it challenges your version of history, truth? when i think of franklin the last thing on my mind is racist, but he was. the teacher was pointing a fact and he was then challenged, that's it.
@sanriver12 "how is it anachronistic? because it challenges your version of history, truth?" Um, that's not what anachronistic means. Applying post-Civil War, post-Civil Rights Act, post-Obama election, 21st-century principles to an 18th-century colonialist is anachronistic, unless it's to compare how relatively enlightened Franklin was FOR HIS TIME compared to, say, Newt "Mau Mau uprising" Gingrich, who has no excuse NOT to know better.
@Lawlessuk I addressed the portion LV highlighted and read. And I DO see a problem with him calling that "the dictionary definition of racism." Is it a dictionary from the 18th century? And what do you mean by "then you have your answer?"
Those so called founding fathers who were against the institution of slavery during their middle age or in their declining years were still racist. Some spoke elegantly about the evils of slavery but went questioned about the equality of the races. They believed the white race to be superior to all others. I never read anything to the contrary. Even Jefferson's opinions on race would surprise you. His letters to Adams and others, reveals a racist. The founding fathers' belief that inherent dif
@Searching4why your right, but you have to put it in context too, due to a religous zeal many believed that the white race was bless by god and superior, the jewish people did too as well as the muslim, in asia they believe white men to be white apes, racism was rampant around the world! its unfortunate but tribalism is destroying us, our only hope is that people get educated as to who and what we really are, watch the superior human race utube!
LV... did your review the curriculum in the TUSD race baiting classes? I have. It is a bunch of malarky designed to brain wash the "minority" (60% of the Tucson population) into a Palestinian like and violent revolution to reclaim "Aztlan" for the indigenous people of this Continent. It harps the tenets of La Raza and MeCha.... both racist organizations. Even now... these groups are planning OWS like demonstrations on wealthy Arizonan's homes to intimidate them.
@jxwhit8 Further... This class was given an option to make the class an elective course. The activists in Tucson knew this would kill the class, because nobody would attend the class. Instead, they held the school board hostage by occupying the school board meeting and chaining themselves and intimidating board officials (even with death threats). So much for the democratic process playing out. Now... there are armed officers protecting the meetings from the thugs.
"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. " <--- yeah, not what I'm doing. . .
conservatives don't like anything "being about race" because the minute we all sit down and have an honest discussion about race, people like Benjamin Franklin can be swayed with reason and compassion. Faux news don't want to talk about America's history with race for the exact same reason the KKK wear bed sheets, because the minute it's out in the open everybody is a disgusted, the difference is America (and the right wing) isn't made up of a bunch of racists and thugs, it's the opposite.
demitri84 5 days ago
WOW BEN FRANKLIN WROTE THAT FUCKED UP SHIT
elleybelley91 6 days ago
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Franklin might have been a "racist", but he was still less of a racist compared to the religious right of the day.
DeadFishFactory 1 week ago
Wow. Fox News doesn't like anyone lol.
ramone2185 2 weeks ago
What is wrong with taking Mexican American history I would I want to
talkindurinthemovie 2 weeks ago
-_____- RISEEEEE UP!! I AM SO SICK OF LIES! THIS SHIT IS NOT NEWS!
talkindurinthemovie 2 weeks ago
The founding fathers were all veil racists.... we should abolish teaching American history and make the official language spanish and bring in millions of Iillegal mexican drug dealers and criminals so we can be culturally enriched by diversity!
*EXTREME SARCASM*
ChadWardenTV 2 weeks ago
Look, lots of white people are racist. Most of the Founding Fathers were racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, bigots, some of whom had the self control of a farm animal. Why else would they consider other human beings as 3/5ths of a person? It is what it is. That is who your country was founded by. It doesn't mean that has to be your destiny. You can change it if you want. But I don't see many whites who would want to change it.
godfreewoman 2 weeks ago
@godfreewoman 3/5ths is called a compromise on purpose..It was a compromise. And yeah, some didn't control themselves like Alex Hamilton but others did. Mostly good points though.
EdgyBroEDGY 2 weeks ago
@godfreewoman White people are the least racist people on earth, stop being an anti white bigot!
ChadWardenTV 2 weeks ago
hey ..... the reason there is all this bigotry( what they call racism ) is because of all the same distinctions you just made in your video ..... and to put down Benjamin Franklin is very low ..... I mean the man has being dead for 100+ years ... and thanks for the freedom that he left, you can put a video with your opinion without fear of persecution
bluntokes 3 weeks ago
Hey why don't you say republican once more on this video ..... I think that's what it needs .... the bottom line is that the government should have nothing to say about education or what the schools are to do .... but lets be honest ....... all this mexican-american study programs are to help the illegal children in the U.S.A .... but I digress ... government should have nothing to say about education .... that's why the school average is so low .
bluntokes 3 weeks ago
@bluntokes Obvious troll .... is obvious.
SharksIncorporated 2 weeks ago
very interesting as is often the case you can't trust a majority of what these right wingers say or do.
CAM8689 3 weeks ago
In Ecuador when I studied world history they taught us about slavery. Many people lack the knowledge that there were white and black slaves. The rich people were the ones that segregated the poor people (now called classism) Through history atrocities have been committed against other races, but western Europeans have been the worst. If someone (color of skin is irrelevant to be racist) gets offended by it, well that's ignoring the facts and just applying self pity because of personal guilt.
demoniosolitario 3 weeks ago
Ok, I don't know how you guys feel about it, but I’m just going to put my opinion out there...the Founding Fathers were people who started a good thing, but they were far from perfect, as a few of them owned slaves and thought nothing of taking land from the Native Americans....but they've been dead for well over 200 years. I feel that we should look back on history and learn from it, but remember that they’re dead and times have changed and we need to move forward. But that's just my opinion...
MandrillMcHellon 3 weeks ago
There is a trend towards almost deifying the founding fathers towards the point of denying any flaws or faults they may have had. I think this falls in that category. Rather than appreciating the mistakes they made and learning from them, people want to deny history and turn them into these perfect super-human entities whose words are divine and must be adhered to - to the letter - hundreds of years later, rather than realizing that the world and the societies living in it change.
gagaplex 4 weeks ago
While I am a liberal and despise racism, some of these classes, like my Race in America class, take a very anti-white tone and don't present history from an objective viewpoint. My class even went to far as to blame white people for Mexicans exploiting Mexicans in Mexico, simply because Americans bought the products. Any class that presents the south-west as rightfully Mexican is horribly racist. There is no justification for taking the land by military force, but Mexico was doing the same.
TheCFTube 4 weeks ago
@TheCFTube I was in the classes, and I agree. AND I'm a hispanic Mexican American, I love the U.S to death with my own family serving from WWI to Present day, these classes don't really hate the American whites, but they emphasize animosity towards our other side they hide, our European Spanish heritage.
TheInsidiousParadigm 3 weeks ago
@TheInsidiousParadigm Exactly, we have to acknowledge that whites in America have been discriminatory to say the least. My main gripe is that these classes often leave out whites who fought for civil rights, as early as Brown. People even died for them. Giving an objective view, instead of lumping all the guilt on one people is better idea.
TheCFTube 3 weeks ago
@TheCFTube If you feel guilty after taking a class in ethnic studies, then you have missed the point of them and the arguments that have been raised by scholars in those fields, many of whom are white. I've taken plenty of classes on ethnic studies in college and not once did I feel that a single author was attempting to create resentment towards white people.
beeeefcurtains 3 weeks ago
@beeeefcurtains I didn't say I feel guilty or that these classes shouldn't be taught. I just stated that for once, these people might have a point. I think the one that wrote the course material for our class was white as well, but it wasn't historically accurate. I can't comment on your course, but ours was full of speculation and neglected to mention any racism by any other race or mention one white person that supported civil rights. Both of which make the course incomplete.
TheCFTube 3 weeks ago
You really do your homework when doing these vids. Well done.
wizzrobe301 4 weeks ago
Please Keep Doing What Your Doing.....I think I Love You.....
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damn your voice is dull
chubbyfunster2 1 month ago
To be fair, everyone was racist back in the 18th century. In truth, Franklin was probably less racist than most of his contemporaries... though only slightly.
Jonstern1983 1 month ago
@Jonstern1983
Franklin only thought English people were White.
He didn't even consider Germans or Swedish people to be White.
Franklin was not only racist against Blacks.
He was racist against other Whites who were not Anglo.
IKiLLNRapeCOMMUNISTS 3 weeks ago
@IKiLLNRapeCOMMUNISTS Weird. How common was that point of view in the 18th century?
Jonstern1983 3 weeks ago
You know what's ridiculous. There's a class on the cultural influence of Lil' Kim... Don't you think the Mexican people have had more influence than someone who's biggest contribution to culture was being felt up by Dianah Ross on some awards show?
Jonstern1983 1 month ago
Boom....
Bennybombomable 1 month ago
we're all a little racist aren't we?
IgnisLupi 1 month ago
on the ball again..
you are getting really good at your job..
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ChanneledKnowledge 1 month ago
i love the way that he keeps mentioning that guy Casey Stegall as "supposedly straight" :P
shandow15 1 month ago
Can I please get a thumbs up if the stupid question at the end makes you want to watch LiberalViewer less? Lays out nice information. Sources it all. Then at the end of the video paraphrases one of the closes remarks, and for some reason reads it awkwardly after having just spoken it as a fluid sentence, and puts a stark red background behind it.
NiteSaiya 1 month ago
So learning how we came to speak another European language beside English and how we intermixed with Europeans to create the predominant racial demographic of modern Mexicans (mestizos) somehow translates to Fox News as teaching anti-White ideologies... hmmmm
I guess they only mention Miguel Hidalgo (a white guy) as one of the Founding Fathers of Mexican Independence because they must hate his whiteness so much. And don't even get me started with John Riley and St Patrick's Battalion. lol x D
xm377Moyocoyatzin 1 month ago
Talking of the history of the southern 'slave states' it might be worth remembering that they were once Spanish. The Spanish enslaved the native people whilst the Portuguese slaughtered them in favour of importing African slaves, which they did immediately; ie from 1493.
ritchloui 1 month ago
learn something new everyday thanks liberal viewer
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2:04 If there is one thing Republicans know about, it's being toxic
brainflash1 1 month ago
All the comments are replies because people talk such shite all the time! Anyway, surely...SURELY we have to consider the fact that B.Franklin's com
ments were made centuries ago? No? Of course there's no excuse for racism but ignorance is and was often prevalent and though B.F. was no victim, he may have been an un-witting idiot.
mic7able 1 month ago
Haha " the supposedly straight reporter" awesome
CountJimbo 1 month ago
@CountJimbo the term "straight" is not referring to his sexuality.
D3viouz1 1 month ago
@D3viouz1 Don't kill the magic
NLSJ 1 month ago
why hasnt dis guy got a youtube partnership?
loccoptic 1 month ago
wtf is happening below me?
Hipstoprockathon 1 month ago
'supposedly straight'? Giggity?
TheZaz003 1 month ago
I hate when the top comments are comments about replies... and I didn't even see the reply to the original top comment:)
jlaffoon24 1 month ago
lol, supposedly strait
natedoggg360 1 month ago in playlist Fox News Bias
I don't think you can criticize another person for not knowing a trivial fact like the racial views of one American. Franklin was an interesting person and helped found America, but it's not as if we should know every detail about the man. Franklin can be quoted for saying "No man should have more than he needs", which sounds like a Marx's quote. However, if someone calls him a proponent of Capitalism, I wouldn't hold it against them and make them read all of his works.
ilovenarwhales 1 month ago
I see it this way, the Atheneans also had democracy, but their version of democracy compaired to the various western world versions of democracy existing today are not equal. On another issue, DeKlerk was one of the most known defenders of apartheid in South Africa, but he & Nelson Mandela signed the Submission To The Truth And Reconciliation Commission treaty & abolished the system. I'm just saying.
GaolisVideoLog 1 month ago
ban a study about racial violence towards a race, because that race will have a small probability of showing racial violence towards them, us whities have it coming, really, let them
Endrance88 1 month ago
Enough of biased reporters from Fox.
migma999 1 month ago
I would contrast the "racism" of someone like Franklin by observing his actions and his posterity contrasted with someone like McGovern... If the "racism" of the past is to be seen solely by modern sensibilities and not be informed by the culture of the times, then we're missing the point. Historical revisionism is a crime far worse than the "racism" of Franklin... and this criminal is still alive.
RyuDarragh 1 month ago 8
@RyuDarragh wonderfully said
erik4727 1 month ago
@hellshade2 I think you misunderstood. Through the lens of the times, people thought that science supported it. Read the literature of the times is all I mean.
willowtreephoto 1 month ago
Yes he does
VxKingPinxV 1 month ago
Did you hear him say supposedly straight! Hahahhaah
CrackinCrazyLegz 1 month ago
All the comments are replies =(
I feel left out...
ssohood2011 1 month ago 24
@culturalhonesty Yes Mexican history starts with white people because the great majority of mexicans are mestizos which means "a mix of european and native American decent"...most mexicans are not direct decendants of native Americans but a mixture of both native Americans and spaniards...so eat your words my ignorant brother
ixg7 1 month ago
@ixg7 Read my initial post jerkoff........ YOU HAVE ENDED UP AGREEING WITH ME LMAO
culturalhonesty 1 month ago
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Asia for the Asians
Africa for the Africans
Mexico for the Mexicans
White Countries for EVERYBODY?
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white
culturalhonesty 1 month ago
Fox news has to say things that appeal to the people watching it even if it isn't the complete truth...ignorance is sad :/
ixg7 1 month ago
hahahaha your first question is hilarious
xcnunes10 1 month ago
Its funny, because growing up in TUSD I was the most horrible English and History student. However, if I was actually given a history class or a writing class with emphasis on my own culture I most likely would have done much better just as I am in college. Sorry, but the fact that I was not taught any of my own Mexican-American history has pushed me further, today, to have more tensions towards white people especially Republican Christians.
capitandelfuego 1 month ago
Love your videos, keep it up
reaperdead 1 month ago
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@ufster81 even thou I don't agree with that Mongoloid you're replying to - Grateful to germany?
If anything Germany is close to being "even" considering they enslaved the nation for nearly 2 centuries, and then invaded it, weakening it to the point that it had to fall under Soviet influence after the war - I'd go to a length that we don't own anything to them, at least not yet.
supajasiu 1 month ago
Politicians usually aren't historians.
MrMikeManboob 1 month ago
The fact is this, if you told blacks and hispanics that you can't teach them their ethnic history simply because they had no written language, you would be telling them the truth, and this would be unacceptable
culturalhonesty 1 month ago
@culturalhonesty Wow, your incredibly racist comment is hilarious. Moreover, let me show you how much I support you with this picture of a cock
8 == D
Happy?
NLSJ 1 month ago
@NLSJ thats it boy, don't even attempt to refute me, you know i am right, now lick your wounds or step up and get dismantled with ease :)
culturalhonesty 1 month ago
@culturalhonesty Do I need to disprove that a Hispanic has no written history? Do you know that Hispanic is someone who speaks Spanish? Do you know that language history is well recorded since it was called Latin? Of course you do not know, because you're an idiot.
NLSJ 1 month ago
@NLSJ so their history starts with white people lmao. i figured you might go with the handful of mayan pictograms, but instead you are going with that Mexican history starts with white people coming there lmao
culturalhonesty 1 month ago
@culturalhonesty Considering that about 80% of all Latin American gene pool is European, yes. And you inability to understand that there are other Spanish-speaking countries other than Mexico is also funny.
NLSJ 1 month ago
Republicans can't give people the facts that would upset them. Plus they would have to learn them AND then teach them. Keep people ignorant and everyone wins!
i2v2s 1 month ago
I hate when all the comments are replies.
Pensfan8726 1 month ago 28
1) People like that don't change. Sad.
2) FOX "news" is not a news company. It is there to keep unthinking people in a zombie / vegetative state.
RavBunneh 1 month ago
@IKiLLNRapeCOMMUNISTS In reading your reply to me and others you seem to be very angry and upset about confronting racial privilege and discrimination. It is understandable, most people don't like to look deeper into these issues. I do not know what you look like but if you are white (and look white) and Polish in the US you have white privilege. You might face prejudice being Polish when people identify you as Polish, and that is wrong. You can't justify racism by citing other forms of racism.
TheRichmondheights 1 month ago
@TheRichmondheights
Ethnic studies only gives the Ethnic studies to some ethnciities.
What about people like the Iirsh?
Oh, well I guess it is not reverse discrimination?
oh,Yeah Asian Indians are the most rich, wealthy, sucessful & educated group in America.
they still get affirmitive action.
That is not reverse discrimination.
Oh yeah it is white privilage
that it is okay for the media to say dumb Polak jokes
but, not okay for the media to say dumb Negro jokes
IKiLLNRapeCOMMUNISTS 1 month ago
@IKiLLNRapeCOMMUNISTS Well, first of all, Irish is a nationality, not an ethnicity. Ethnic-Irish refers to those with Gaelic Celt ancestry that has mixed over time with the English, Normans, Scots, etc. There are many studies about the Irish and many studies about (Western) Europeans in general. People from India are not all part of the same ethnic group. Most Indians belong to the Indo-Aryan ethnicity. They are not the wealthiest people in the US. Stop trying to justify your prejudice.
TheRichmondheights 1 month ago
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@TheRichmondheights If Irish aren't an ethnciity.
Then Mexicans aren't an ethnciity either
Neither are African Americans.
Actually Asian Indians are the wealthiest & most educated people in the U.S.A along with Jews
There might be a few higher.
But, they are the highest with millions of people
Russians are up there too
IKiLLNRapeCOMMUNISTS 1 month ago
HAPPY BIRTHDAY (it was yesterday) BEN FRANKLIN
juliealbright123 1 month ago
ben franklin is my boyfriend
juliealbright123 1 month ago
@NINBNIN
Actually, subjectively racist is probably the best description. The whole video was based on subjective reporting, not objective.
conservativesaiyan 1 month ago
@conservativesaiyan You teabaggers are a never-ending source of punchlines.
Subjectively racist !?!
And WTF is this BS about "subjective reporting"?
What a bunch of fallacy-addicted equivocators you people (and I use the term loosely) are.
hyperboreean 1 month ago
@johnalton22
Huh...?? Human? Learn how to write Independent clauses, then maybe I can understand.
conservativesaiyan 1 month ago
@HugeJohn51
His vid was based on fantasy. To categorize Benjamin Franklin into a stereotypical characterization is nothing more than, well, fantasy. Liberal viewer is everywhere in the video, and in the end, he justifies his point by associating Franklin with the "racist" Republican Party. He should have said what he intended to say than pretend to be smart.
But like you said, is all fantasy. He is a very hard-leftist(liberal viewer).
conservativesaiyan 1 month ago
Fox news is trying to pin the racism ribbon on public schools, rather than on republican politicians
TheColossuskid 1 month ago
Of course if Mexicans or Black people are making good in school the republicans are afraid. Who would they look down to if not them? They are afraid to see themselves as they really are...not special or better than any other human can be.
MrG0TH1ER 1 month ago
@MrG0TH1ER you might like to check out superior human race is, its in the video response section, the kkk are having a heart attack!
TheBestwry 1 month ago
@MrG0TH1ER
Oh yeah Blacks & Mexicans do so well in school.
Nevermind that many minorities came here poor & opressed & soon gained a higher iq & a higher education rate in a short period of time.
Including Jews, East Asians, Polish Americans etc.
It must be that Mexicans & Blacks are equal.
They are just opressed.
Even though they have been privilaged with special rights for nearly 60 years now.
Give me a break.
IKiLLNRapeCOMMUNISTS 1 month ago
As always LV- I assume your questions at the end are hypothetical, as the answers are so obvious.
HugeJohn51 1 month ago
I usually like your videos but it is rather ignorant to call Benjamin Franklin a racist. We cannot apply today's definition of the word "racist" to historical revolutionary figures of the past. With today's definition, we can call all of these revolutionary figures 'racists', but that's not the point..we have to compare their ideas and thoughts to the ideas and thoughts of thier proper century, not those of our own.
cniglari 1 month ago
Fox News neglected to point out the party affiliation because it did not serve their agenda. Pointing out that the "Education Leader" was a Republican would have revealed the political nature of their actions, and that would be bad for the Arizona Republican party.
hawkeyeDJ 1 month ago
Viewing Franklin's words through a 21st century lens, it is clear that his thoughts were indeed racial, but not necessarily RACIST within the context of his essay. At the time, white colonists almost universally looked down on blacks as inferior beings, even as they opposed slavery. It was the times. This even was many decades before the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a black man was not a whole man, and therefore not entitled to a complete vote in the infamous Dred Scott decision.
hawkeyeDJ 1 month ago
2:40 - it took me a second or two to decide what you meant by "supposedly straight" ;D
Actually I'm still not sure you weren't using both meanings....
aaronpolitical 1 month ago
watching fox news for facts is like watching porn for the acting.
Gurraninhio 1 month ago 26
@Gurraninhio but there's a tone of acting in porn lol!!!
tadanorm 1 month ago
wow great work!
maguzma87 1 month ago
That's so sad. This man is a bless in this country. You should feel proud having a man like that. When he wrote a letter to his mom, he told her he wished people would say he "lived usefully", not he "died rich."
And you want to know what he did with The Quakers at that time? Obviously you don't, because my niece read about him in her Social Studies book.
You are pitty liberal viewer. Take care.
conservativesaiyan 1 month ago
@conservativesaiyan aww did he make your Saint look too human?
johnalton22 1 month ago
Us Hispanics have Aztec and Spaniard blood, and are we embarrassed of our history of violence and conquest and rape? Heck no. That's our history, we have no guilt. And you too shouldn't be feeling white guilt. That's where you originate from, don't change history because of how life was back then. And Ben Franklin is the ONLY Founding Father who gets quoted by minorities, yet you attack his character?
conservativesaiyan 1 month ago
@conservativesaiyan I'm pretty sure that the number of Hispanic with Aztec blood is ridiculously low given that ... you know, the Aztecs lived in Mexico only. Oh, and Franklin was a white man and Anglo-Saxon upper class in the eighteenth century, was a racist by definition.
NLSJ 1 month ago
Is just premature and invalid. Do you know what Jefferson said about blacks? His writings are arguably more offensive than all of the Founders, but guess what? Slavery was as polarized back then as well. Jefferson wanted to blame the British for slavery in the Declaration of Independence -- though it was more political -- but at the last minute it was scraped. Yet you wanna bash American History?
conservativesaiyan 1 month ago
@conservativesaiyan Telling the truth is not 'bashing'. All history has good and bad points, but whitewashing them to make it more appealing to Americans isn't a good thing. Americans basing thier decisions on fantasy is causing enough problems. Only by looking at things rationally and in an unbiased way can we make a better society. Prenting these guys walked on water doesn't help anyone.
HugeJohn51 1 month ago
That's not racism, is just natural thought. That's how things were back then, and guess what? Ben Franklin is THE only Founding Father talked more thoroughly in Social Studies than the other founders. The reality is Ben said a lot about many minorities in that time -- including Germans(which may have caused him a seat). But to pick on him on that?
conservativesaiyan 1 month ago
What;s interesting is that under the Obama administration we had ZERO illegal immigration and 400k have been deported, the double than under George W. Bush, but Repiblicans don;t want to talk about that just scapegoating any hispanic for their political interest. LET'S FACE IT REPUBLICANS ARE NOT RACISTS .... BUT THEY ARE RACIST TOLERANTS ;))))))
mrfreedomdemocracy1 1 month ago
if the serfs ever become aware of how the system works, they might want to overthrow the local barons and dukes. This kind of history, therefore, needs to be only discussed in quite rooms.
annarboriter 1 month ago
Once again, you have done some real investigating, much more than will likely be seen on TV. Thanks for your hard work.
Anglagard1 1 month ago
If you classify racism by how we define it in the 21st century, everyone in the 1700's was a racist.
Thvndar 1 month ago
Question #1: A resounding YES!
Question #2: Because Faux News is a wholy owned subsidiary of the Republican Party.
Seasurf88 1 month ago 9
@Seasurf88 I disagree Fox News OWNS the republic party. If they say Democrat party they are the republic party.
jesushatesyoutoo 1 month ago
We should not have any specific "racial studies."
RationalismDefined 1 month ago
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@RationalismDefined
Latin people, Native Americans, and blacks should know their history cause we all know that the victors of history may only tell their side of the story. It would be a great intellectual dishonesty and a disservice to historical accuracy to exclude substantiated accredited corroborate historical records of other cultures.
athews1976 1 month ago
@athews1976 historical records of other cultures do not amount to racial studies. deviding poeple into groups and teaching them history through an racially bias tribal lens will only serve to further the myth of "race"
RationalismDefined 1 month ago
I've notide lately that the questions at the end of your videos are getting decidedly less neutrally worded. That may be the aim, but I just thought I'd point that out. Still a big fan though!
OhHayMike 1 month ago
@OhHayMike *noticed
OhHayMike 1 month ago
This is an erroneous argument from both sides. Sure, Franklin was racist, but so was the vast, overwhelming majority of humanity in the 18th century. When we label people racist, in the context of our time, it is an attack on their character and morality, and is inappropriate for judging historical figures in the context of theirs.
joethecabdriver 1 month ago 3
@joethecabdriver I agree, nevertheless we cannot call their racism anything other than what it is. Keep in mind such racism did not exist in Shakespeare's Othello, written in the 16th century, nor did it exist in the Koran or the New Testament.
Anglagard1 1 month ago
A person's beliefs, to a certain extent, are crafted by their culture. Although it is true that Franklin had racist comments, we shouldn't view that as a component on his person. Rather, we should understand that his views are an appendage of his time.
MrDersh 1 month ago
Answers :1- Yes and 2- because it's Fox News.
Pulpgimp 1 month ago
1. Oh how droll, yes.
2. Fox News and other conservatives have figured out that in public debate, more often than not people will meet in the middle. So they simultaneously are promoting ludicrously far right positions, and moving the "unbiased middle ground" as many steps to the right as possible. It makes me sick. The left has them too, but usually they take a specific cause like animal rights or environmentalism. It's scary that conservatives picked "how people live" as their agenda.
CeroFrio 1 month ago
@FerretBob I was using a sweeping generalisation to illustrate a point. Naturally lines drawn on a map can never truly correspond to ethnic homogeny. They used the word hispanics though and while the descendents of spanish colonials have been less conservative in mixing with natives than the anglos of northern america, they are still "white" in a colloquial sense and I assume (although I admit I could be wrong) that those descendents are in a majority in Mexico.
PanWolven 1 month ago
I say that most Republicans need a history lesson of some sort, starting with Palin and the rest of Fox news.
IMO, I think the reason why they left out the Republican partisanship is just to place another dark image upon government in general, and with the current government under Pres. Obama it is just another road to make people distrust the government and Obama overall.
Feredir28 1 month ago
1:30 they dont say democrat either, they only talk about arizona developments
aweiss 1 month ago
I can't stand Fox News, it is an embarrassment to America.
ec123456789able 1 month ago
All Indigenous peoples of North America have full right to be shit steaming mad about the past.When people talk about ethnic cleansing it´s all NAZI`S!! but, America and Canada are no better.Of course the Republicans don´t want ANYBODY to have ANY interlectual ammo about ANYTHING because facts are scary&make people change there minds about things.God forbid anyone being informed.As for Ben Franklin, at least he admitted his logic may be faulty&he did learn from his faults&make up for them later.
sstan1337 1 month ago
We can't remedy past racism and discrimination with current racism against white people.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
superfisto 1 month ago
@superfisto I don´t think learning about the past is the same as creating racism against whites. The people learning in the class may get angry, and rightfully so however, they have a right to learn about the past so they can better the future. Anger can also be a healthy human emotion, people must be mature enough to handle the TRUTH.
Peace,
A person with blood of the first nation.
sstan1337 1 month ago
"for such kind of partiality is natural to mankind"
Every one is racist. That does not make the racism in Franklins early years wrong, as you are racist, as well as I. In fact, accusing Franklin of racism is equivalent to accusing him of gluttony, as both are inherent in all human beings. Since both are inherent, you have no moral ground to condemn him. But the fact that Franklin gave repentance of his racism, and joined the abolitionist society, shows he was at least trying to right a wrong.
ThePurelogic 1 month ago
Let's just let the blue states be blue and the red states be idiots. We're obviously not going to resolve this. Please, red states, secede from the union. I'm begging you. Too bad the south lost the war, we'd be better off without them.
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 1 month ago
@487Shawn, your statement is simplistic
No...... I'm not taking anything out of context. You're mistaken bigotry for racism. People will all always hold on to prejudices and those who understand this, take advantage, it's Machiavellian.
If we were talking about the lay people of the time, your comment may have some validity. We are not talking about common folk. We are talking about some well read, highly educated men. Men of privilege, who have knowledge of world history and the achievement
Searching4why 1 month ago
lmao "supposedly straight newscaster"
tenatopps 1 month ago
@tenatopps I never thought about it like that. :P
Topher2k8 1 month ago
@qwertyuiopaaaaaaa7 When looking at the Founders through 21st century goggles, it turns out they're all just racist, sexist pigs. Unfortunately, once you focus on that, you never get to the fact that they were actually very advanced, "enlightened" thinkers for THEIR era; they rejected Divine Right of Kings, and created a brilliant new form of govt. I don't defend the Republican guy, I'm just saying IMO the word "racist" is anachronistic here.
ivyshoots 1 month ago 24
@ivyshoots How can you be a very advanced, "enlightened" thinker, without realizing that "all men are created equal" extends to slaves? Seems like they weren't all that advanced, and that they were bigoted, just like a lot of people to day.
CoqueSpoke 1 month ago
@CoqueSpoke Consider the time, all the information was not available as it is today Their knowledge of Africans was mostly tribal people hunting and dancing, while they themselves had what they considered civilized societies. All scientists at the time in Europe thought it a fact that Africans were of less intelligence (Including Darwin) and most thought that of women too. It was very hard to even come to the idea of equality at that point in history, take a second to think about it.
DeadButBreathing 1 month ago
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@DeadButBreathing "It was very hard to even come to the idea of equality at that point in history, take a second to think about it."
With the "scientific" explanations at the time does that excuse the beliefs at the time? Does the aztec belief of cutting out your live enemies heart become justified because that was the only thing they knew and truelly believed at the time?
I think that Franklin is not excused, especially after owning a lot of slaves and having sex with them as well.
blasphimus 1 month ago
@DeadButBreathing I think you're delving too far into it. They wanted to believe that slaves were less than human or at least less human than themselves. Why did they WANT to believe this? Because slaves WERE PROFITABLE, the founding fathers talked a lot about equality for a time "very hard to even come to the idea". They said they wanted people to be equal, but they were referring to people they weren't exploiting. tons of people back then knew slavery was wrong, your argument is just flawed.
CoqueSpoke 1 month ago
@CoqueSpoke Indeed people knew that slavery was wrong, it didn't mean the society thought that blacks were equal to whites, read any books written at the time that were written by highly respected men, I was reading a novel by a famous author that refereed to black people having "primitive negro brains" and it bothered me considering I like the author's writing. Yet this view was so common in that society that highly respected men could say that publicly and still be respected at the time.
DeadButBreathing 1 month ago
@DeadButBreathing
Blacks do tend to have more primitive brains though.
East Asians do tend to have more advanced brains though.
It is not really a lie.
We just no longer consider some things to be true anymore.
Even if they are true.
IKiLLNRapeCOMMUNISTS 3 weeks ago
@IKiLLNRapeCOMMUNISTS what is this 1930s germany? There is no conclusive, worthwhile evidence showing a link between race and brain size.
What should I expect though, really from a guy named "iKILLnRAPECOMMUNISTS"
erik4727 3 weeks ago 2
@erik4727
We'll, I just find the rat out of the sewer. Why don't you crawl back into your whole and re think your comments on racism, because I got plenty of comments showing what a little racist bastard you are. Do some research again and stop pleading racism. Learn some real science for a change
Reido2828 3 weeks ago
@Reido2828 You think i havent come to expect your bullshit, Reido? In the face of bold-faced racism (which is blatant in both the cases with Ben Franklin and "iKillNRapeCommunists,") You have the GALL to deny any claim. Give me a FUCKING break already, admit your idiocies, move on, and be a better person for it. Quit trying to postpone it, you're only denying yourself the opportunity for maturation.
erik4727 3 weeks ago
@erik4727
I have no idea who those people are. Again, your language reveals how young you actually are. I have never encountered a bigger idiot troll before. Can I send you an award? Perhaps links showing La Raza as a true racist party, maybe the chairman of the democratic party in California yelling out reconquest of the south. Shall I destroy your ugly arguments again? Or can I show people the racist comments you sent to me over the last months? Really stupid boy, really stupid
Reido2828 3 weeks ago
@Reido2828 LMAO LA RAZA REAL RACIST? This seems to be played, but I think you would learn so much from doing so: look in the mirror. The only thing you've accomplished is childish name-calling, which doesn't do much in the way of proving your point. Have you seen La Raza accomplishments? I doubt you have, otherwise, you wouldn't be consistently spouting your mouth and continuously blaming the victims. Give me a BREAK.
erik4727 3 weeks ago
@erik4727
I have seen it and I have also seen many of the racist rants. You never acknowledged any of the videos and articles I sent you about the "Reconquista" debate currently taking place with the California democratic party chairman nor did you acknowledge any of the videos with protests demanding whites leave California. Again, the only name calling done in our talks was by you and the continuous distortion was done by you. Continue this into the PM box
Reido2828 3 weeks ago
@Reido2828 you sure enjoy taking the advice from people like "iKillNRAPECommunists" and "KKKn50cal" dont you? LMAO! Choose your friends wisely.
erik4727 3 weeks ago
@CoqueSpoke But just because they didn't consider them as equals, does not mean they thought that slavery was right, in fact it's pretty easy to figure out that slavery is wrong. You're acting like everyone in that society WANTED to be racist because they all wanted to profit, but even poor white people without slaves had that mentality of racism in them, it was obvious that majority did not believe in equality. Women were "lesser humans" to a large extent too.
DeadButBreathing 1 month ago
@ivyshoots, so those who weren't racist in Franklin's era were just, what? out of there timeline?
turtle2hug 1 month ago
@ivyshoots how is it anachronistic? because it challenges your version of history, truth? when i think of franklin the last thing on my mind is racist, but he was. the teacher was pointing a fact and he was then challenged, that's it.
sanriver12 1 month ago
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@sanriver12 "how is it anachronistic? because it challenges your version of history, truth?" Um, that's not what anachronistic means. Applying post-Civil War, post-Civil Rights Act, post-Obama election, 21st-century principles to an 18th-century colonialist is anachronistic, unless it's to compare how relatively enlightened Franklin was FOR HIS TIME compared to, say, Newt "Mau Mau uprising" Gingrich, who has no excuse NOT to know better.
ivyshoots 1 month ago
@Lawlessuk I addressed the portion LV highlighted and read. And I DO see a problem with him calling that "the dictionary definition of racism." Is it a dictionary from the 18th century? And what do you mean by "then you have your answer?"
ivyshoots 1 month ago
Those so called founding fathers who were against the institution of slavery during their middle age or in their declining years were still racist. Some spoke elegantly about the evils of slavery but went questioned about the equality of the races. They believed the white race to be superior to all others. I never read anything to the contrary. Even Jefferson's opinions on race would surprise you. His letters to Adams and others, reveals a racist. The founding fathers' belief that inherent dif
Searching4why 1 month ago
@Searching4why your right, but you have to put it in context too, due to a religous zeal many believed that the white race was bless by god and superior, the jewish people did too as well as the muslim, in asia they believe white men to be white apes, racism was rampant around the world! its unfortunate but tribalism is destroying us, our only hope is that people get educated as to who and what we really are, watch the superior human race utube!
487shawn 1 month ago
@487shawn
I think a lack of tribalism is right now destroying us.
We are essentially allowing lower iq races to not only overpopulate higher iq races.
but, we are allowing lower iq races to flood the west & mix with higher iq races.
This is a disaster waiting to happen.
But, as long as we think we are sophisticated for being politically correct.
God forbid if someone like James Watson says Africans score a lower iq which is proven by reserch
James Watson must be a dumbass
IKiLLNRapeCOMMUNISTS 1 month ago
Mexican Wage Slaves are targeted and scapegoated every time we have an economic downturn by non other than those who exploit them most.
JusticeIsWhere 1 month ago 29
@JusticeIsWhere "Wage slaves?" Are you fucking serious?
MutantBamHammer 1 month ago
LV... did your review the curriculum in the TUSD race baiting classes? I have. It is a bunch of malarky designed to brain wash the "minority" (60% of the Tucson population) into a Palestinian like and violent revolution to reclaim "Aztlan" for the indigenous people of this Continent. It harps the tenets of La Raza and MeCha.... both racist organizations. Even now... these groups are planning OWS like demonstrations on wealthy Arizonan's homes to intimidate them.
jxwhit8 1 month ago
@jxwhit8 Further... This class was given an option to make the class an elective course. The activists in Tucson knew this would kill the class, because nobody would attend the class. Instead, they held the school board hostage by occupying the school board meeting and chaining themselves and intimidating board officials (even with death threats). So much for the democratic process playing out. Now... there are armed officers protecting the meetings from the thugs.
jxwhit8 1 month ago
Fuck mexico, they're illegal scum.
HiawathaMohawk 1 month ago
@HiawathaMohawk
Fuck you.
Lyphowut 1 month ago
@Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU It's really not. . . You're bringing up irrelevant facts that have no bearing on the discussion.
Valkes 1 month ago
@Valkes Your strawman = immigrants. Stop trying to label what I'm doing and pay more attention to your own logic - or lack thereof.
Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU 1 month ago
@Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU
"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. " <--- yeah, not what I'm doing. . .
Valkes 1 month ago