So.......If we do nothing and change nothing, we should expect businesses to boom and jobs to be so plentiful that unemployment will be non existent. Funny thing is, if that actually worked and we had more jobs than we knew what to do with the demand for people would drive up the cost of those people and really strain the company's cashflow. This would lead to job loses and a down economy, etc. It's almost as if we were in a cycle. hmmm.
@brcjacks Your premises are incorrect. People would be able to find employment more easily in the absence of interference, but that doesn't mean that the "number" of jobs would increase to such a level that labor would become too expensive. Markets tend to move towards equilibrium, and it usually takes something such as expansionary monetary policy to push the economy to the point of overconsumption of capital.
Its "misleading" because NoMoreBlather doesn't know the proven work of business cycle and capital economists for the last 200+ years.
People don't know that what makes business grow IS KNOWN. Achiving it is not always easy because its a complex system. But the basic requirements have been known before America was made.
Yet today we have people well versed in rhetoric telling us that isn't so, or ignoring the science all together.
Deadly Spin: An Insurance Company Insider Speaks Out on How Corporate PR Is Killing Health Care and Deceiving Americans by Wendell Potter former Vice President of communications at CIGNA
@NotEasilyRegimented How is that a problem in the true definition of the word? And I don't trust either especially. Private business and government both have the same problem...they are ran by human beings whose basic nature is selfishness. I don't care whether it's private or public, people are generally greedy and selfish. A wonderful book on the subject is "The Origins of Virtue: Human Instincts and the Evolution of Cooperation" By Matt Riddley This book can say it better than I ever could.
How often does the government see results from the market? (voters) once in a while and they have gerrymandered their locations so they don't need to worry much about their performance. Markets cannot do this (unless government helps them , and gov. does) .
"people are generally greedy and selfish." this is true however, its also true for the consumers of privete business and w/o the unfiar assistance of the government people/consumers greed will stop co. greed. Not for gov tho.
@jetrpg22 "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their propertyuntil their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson. (the fundamental flaw of your argument is that corporations by definition are government intervention. Corporations shouldn't exist.
Yes this arguement was to stop inflationary and deflationary aspects of currency, and hold in place the gold standard -- yet we do this very thing today. Poor old TJ didn't see that the gov. itself would engage in such policies. However, unlike with corporations there is only one gov. that prints money for us now, and no other viable options.
A simple lack of foresight, for he never foresaw a expansive gov. such that we have today.
@MyLittleBomb See, statements such as "How Corporate PR is Killing Health Care" mean absolutely nothing and tell you absolutely nothing. It would be more meaningful to say something such as, "How Corporate PR is misrepresenting information in the Health Care debate." The former is almost gibberish, meant to elicit a response from the stupid. I admit that corporations have contributed to the health care problems in this country, but the government itself has had a huge part too.
@tkwelge That is not my statement dumb ass. That is the title of the book. Jesus, do you read? That is a book written by a 20 veteran pr executive of Cigna.
@MyLittleBomb Um, I never said that it was your statement. I simply said that such statements are nothing but emotional gibberish. If that is the title of a book, than I can probably surmise that that book is full of emotional grandstanding meant to persuade other simple people. Thanks for insulting me, though.
@tkwelge How about you go watch some interviews with the guy who wrote the book? How about you listen to a man who has spent 20 years in the corporations that are using healthcare and the sick to make money? His name is Wendell Potter. How about you do a little research before jumping to conclusions. How about you listen to someone who WAS IN THE BUSINESS. There are interviews with him all over the internet. Google does wonders.
@MyLittleBomb I'm not arguing against Wendell Potter. His views are his views, and I'm sure that everything that he says is accurate. However, the philosophical positions are a bit lacking. Corporations use the sick to make money? Yes, that is kinda the entire purpose of the insurance industry. This is no new revelation to me. Insurance companies exist to make money. Without that ability to profit, private insurance would not exist. Governments deny treatments to people all of the time too.
@tkwelge " If that is the title of a book, than I can probably surmise that that book is full of emotional grandstanding meant to persuade other simple people." Persuade people into what? Caring for other human beings? Not charging for healthcare? Not treating humans with thoughts and feelings like they are just bags of meat? Is that what Wendell Potter is trying to convince people to do? If so I'm all for it.
@MyLittleBomb I'm all for caring for other humans and treating them as if they are more than bags of meat. However, the issue doesn't end there. There are other factors that I am forced to acknowledge. As is the case with most things, health care resources are finite. Everybody has to have an incentive to do a large number of different things in order to make healthcare work. Simply hammering away at people emotionally is not the best way to create a well informed debate.
To sum it up. Norway has a socialist government, We don't. We don't want an authoritarian government. Well , some of us do, The lazy lamers who think they cannot provide for themselves. We are partially socialized already and that is the least efficient part of our government providing for the least productive of our citizens. Why would you want the government to provide for all your needs? Can't you do it yourself?
@1Makyo Capitalism is a failed system for the simple fact that real capitalism does not exist. The rich will always have the power to influence the market. The only way for the US to have a free market would be to outlaw all corporate spending in politics so that they cannot change laws to help their own business's. Governments purpose is to even out the playing field, otherwise we will end up with a monarchy. OH wait, we already have a monarchy with the billionaires having undo influence.
@1Makyo You're right. The current system of power is fine the way it is. Dog eat dog, cut throat and unscrupulous. I like it. Personally I'm in the process of doing my own cheating to make as much money as I can while learning to invest in "legitimate." investments. I have finally realized the only way to get ahead in America is to cheat, IE be a producer at the expense of others health and well being. I am actually looking into buying a Mcdonalds franchise. If you can't beat them join em.
@MyLittleBomb Jimmy Hoffa said it for me, back in the early 60s. Today you are on top of the world. Lots of money. Beautiful wife. Wonderful gifted children. Lots of friends. But, get in an accident. One that costs your arms and legs. And you are brain damaged. WAIT 6 months and see how much money, how many friends you have.
@MyLittleBomb I have worked for several large corporations. IBM , NCR, Honeywell. I have owned 4 small businesses that I started myself. I can tell you from first hand experience that there is not much business going on that is not conducted in an ethical manner. No under the table pay-offs.No lying and cheating. Competition keeps you honest out there. And those watching your performance from within are eager to discover you in a compromising situation.
@1Makyo Yep so fuck the poor, am I right? It's not my fault they were born into families with little to no education or financial opportunities. Equality, who needs it? Not me. Hell, if only it was the good old days of slavery. Well I guess we at least have economic slavery now. The system is stacked against the poor and I guess I might as well take advantage of them.
@MyLittleBomb Once upon a time I was offered a job in Vegas when I was young and beautiful. To be a bellman at the Sands Hotel. At that time , the Bellman was making about $50,000/year. it was 1960. I didn't take it because I didn't want to deal drugs, provide hookers, or generally just be a pimp for rich and famous people.
@MyLittleBomb I sat on the jury once. It was a murder narcotics trial. We were sequestered in a hotel while we deliberated. The defendant was the big drug dealer on the West Side of Vegas. A black guy. Handsome. Cold, calculating. Honorable as far as drug dealers go. He blew a hole in the chest of the "narcotics undercover" agent. The hole coming out the other side was massive. Shotgun. He could have paid to have it done. Maybe $100, But no, he did it himself. He was pretty good though to his
@1Makyo~~~~~~~~~~ customers.He didn't overcharge them. He would give them some drugs if they really needed it, to prevent them from committing crimes NOW to get a fix. As drug dealers go he was fairly honest and had some integrity about him I guess. He was sentenced to death.
@1Makyo And Bernie Madoff also got caught. Far more people in the banking industry are living the high life to this day. A few are always going to get caught. That is the risk you take. I wonder if the bankers who contributed to the economic collapse are losing sleep over it? I doubt it.
@MyLittleBomb I don't care what the Bush's did. Or the Kennedy's. I am only interested in living my own life as close to my own concepts of honor as I can. I try to live by the honor code. No lying, No cheating. No stealing. No tolerance for anyone who does.
@MyLittleBomb I have no tolerance for such a system. Just because you say that doensn't make it so. I believe this: If you take care of yourself, your family, your friends and neighbors, the rest will take care of itself.
@1Makyo I just listened to an hour long interview with Wyndell Potter who was a premiere PR guy for Sigma health insurance. He just wrote a tell all book called "deadly spin." He said that not only does the company make more money when it denies care but in fact the decision makers are given incentive to deny care through bonuses. This FACT is coming from a man who spent 20 years working for 2 of the biggest insurers in the business. I will trust Potter and Democracy now over random opinions.
@MyLittleBomb Actually I have very little tolerance for anything that I think is wrong. If you do something that commands respect from people, I will certainly respect it. If you do something that demands tolerance, usually I won't go along with it.
@1Makyo Potter even goes into detail about the health insurance industries counter measures of Michael Moores movie "Sicko". He explains the main goal of himself and other PR guys was to get Moores movie associated with the word "socialist:" He even talks about basic marketing strategies they use such as repeating words so often that people natural human tendency is to believe them. Watch I'll do it. Palin is smart Palin is smart Palin is smart Palin is smart 1000x more and people will believe
@MyLittleBomb Influence does not equal control. I agree that corporations largely abuse the system to make the market less free. However, it is the voter's responsibility to prevent that from occurring. Banning speech at any level is unethical.
@1Makyo "To sum it up. Norway has a socialist government, We don't. We don't want an authoritarian government. Well , some of us do, " I think Norwegians would take offense to saying their government is "authoritarian" Norwegians love the system they have. The truth is when a society has so many extremely wealthy people with tons of very poor people the health of the rich also declines. This is fact. A society like japan with a more even distribution of wealth is the healthiest of all.
@MyLittleBomb "Highly concentrated and centralized power structures" in which political power is generated and maintained by a "repressive system that excludes potential challengers" and uses political parties and mass organizations to "mobilize people around the goals of the government";[
@1Makyo What's your point? You would rather have a monarchy of bankers and CEO's than a literal king? You would rather have billionaires who think of the common people as nothing more than rats and dogs? You like the idea of a healthcare system that is pay to play? It is all summed up quite well in the new book "Deadly Spin." The only true freedom in the world is known by the extremely wealthy.
@MyLittleBomb my point? My points. I would prefer to live in a country where there is no state religion. I would prefer to live in a country where the opportunity to get filthy rich is possible. Not impossible.I don't want no stinkin' King. I disagree with your premise that corporations think of the common people as rats and dogs.I disagree with your premise that corporations constitute a monarchy. I agree, with qualifications that the extremely wealthy are more privileged than most everyone
@1Makyo If you think the rich can empathize with common people you have obviously never known any super wealthy. The wealthy people of earth can't empathize with the poor anymore than you or I can really empathize with the germs on a door knob. I used to work for a artist who's work sold for at least 40g up to half a million. I met many wealthy investors. Trust you me, they don't give a shit about us.
@1Makyo One of my favorite quotes from the owner of my mom's restaurant after she offers him some food from his own restaurant was this "I don't eat this shit." Capitalism at it's finest. Asians around the Seattle area do it well. They import iellegal cigarettes, import heroin.....etc. That is the key to American wealth. Once I have enough money to buy a couple Mcdonalds or Apt buildings then I can do legal investments.
@MyLittleBomb I never buy anything that was stolen. I don't support that. I don't do business with people who screw other people. Can't trust them.
If you want to get rich no matter how, good luck. most people say they would like to make a million dollars. What they really mean is they want to spend a million dollars.
@1Makyo On the contrary I don't spend any money. I'm learning to be as frugal as possible. My house is sparse. My car is old. I'm purely focussed on saving money and learning how to become wealthy in the long term. I want to be able to buy freedom. I want so much money that laws can't touch me. That is the real American dream. I don't steal. I produce and sell it to sick people who are depressed. I want them depressed so that they give me money.
@MyLittleBomb Sounds like you are doing it right. You can't spend yourself rich. Most really rich people I know and have known, were pretty frugal most of their lives.
@1Makyo Norway also produces enough oil per day per person to amount to about 1000 dollars a month for each man, woman, and child in the country. The US produces a 20th as much. Socialism is easy when you have a small, homogeneous population living on top of a gold mine.
@tkwelge Exactly. (Makyo here) I wonder if I would be as smug as they in their shoes. I actually receive half of my retirement income from oil and gas royalties left to me by family members. I sort of am in the same boat with them, but I don't feel smug about it. I wish eveyone else were so fortunate as I am. I share my windfall generously with those I know who need a little help from time to time. It makes me feel good about myself to be able to. Lack of sushine affects tese people I think.
You have to be gullible, damn stupid, or both to believe this BS of a video. Big business on every level is racking in record profits and you're gonna blame this on low confidence, uncertainty, and government kicking big business around? WTF people, get your dumb asses educated and stop depending on some viral video to tell you their made up FACTS!?
LOL. what a joke. The health insurance companies just posted record profits this quarter after all their bitching about universal healthcare. Corporations are sitting on more cash than ever before. Corporations literally have more unused cash sitting in their coffers than in anytime in World history. Videos like this are propaganda. This video would lead people to believe that they should feel sorry for people making 1,000,000+ a year. LOL, what a joke, wish it was funny.
@MyLittleBomb If you didn't like what you had what is now, wait until you see what you get to replace it. Doctor's will be paid less. Many more people will show up for care, overwhelming the supply. The quality of health care will be shit. The good medical practitioners will be underground or overseas.
@1Makyo What I have now is nothing! So I would gladly take any healthcare over nothing any day. 1$ is better than 0$. France, Canada, Germany just to name a few love their healthcare. I would joyfully try their systems out for a change.
@MyLittleBomb What you have now is infinitely better than what you will have under Obamacare.Maybe you could be like me. Live until you are 74 and not need much in the way of health care.
@1Makyo How does this comment make any sense. The Insurance companies are raking in more money now than ever before. The Republicans are going to gut the health bill of all of it's consumer protections EXCEPT the one forcing people to buy insurance because they LOVE that part. Corporations have a strangle hold on the government. A recent Insurance insider just went rogue with a new book called "Deadly Spin." I listened to an hour long interview with him describing how the Insurance works.
@MyLittleBomb Wyndell potter the health exec who turns against them said the day it really sunk in that he just couldnt do his job anymore was when he was on a company jet with the vice president, eating off of gold plated flat ware on gold rimmed china and he suddenly realized that the 5000 dollars an hour they were spending flying somewhere could be someones life.
@MyLittleBomb Not necessary to take my word for anything just watch. Fewer, lower paid, less expert medical practitioners, larger number of customers,rationed care, higher costs to the end user. This all spells disaster to me.
@1Makyo I have been watching for several years now, France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Canada....etc. I even dated an Australian and Norwegian who both said they loved their governments system. In fact the Norwegian was shocked to learn how our system ran. She couldn't believe that Americans thought a for profit system for health care was alright.
@MyLittleBomb Comparing Norway to the USA? Look at GDP per capita. No way we can spend that much money on our health care. You just a shill for Obamacare? Take it somewhere else.That is to say don't bother me with your superfluous analysis.
@1Makyo "You just a shill for Obamacare? Take it somewhere else.That is to say don't bother me with your superfluous analysis." I am not a fan of the new healthcare regulations so to speak "Obamacare" watch much FUAX news? LOL. It is so easy to know where you get you information. Listen to much Limbaugh and Beck? Obama wasn't nearly radical enough in my opinion. The whole healthcare industry needs a major restructuring.
In the US 35% Now tell me you have been watching and talking to a few people who live in socialist countries Then look at charitable institutions in Norway and the US, place like Catholic Hospitals, the Shriners hospitals for children and see what they have over there. Nada. Zip. Zero. Nothing ... Don't be a deliberate fool.
@MyLittleBomb The free health care provided in America by our "for pay" hospitals, in the emergencytroom is far superior to the best health care to be found in socialist countries.
Dont forget that the gov't. is killing many businesses by enforcing new "Green" laws and regulations that is making cost of operation and ability to operate extremely difficult if not impossible for many businesses. I am an executive in the agricultural industry and the gov't. is regulating the united states so harshly, that food cannot be produced in the us cheap enough, so instead your eating meat and veggies from brazil and mexico that is not regulated at all. How does that make any sense?
This is so true. I keep telling everybody that it was the very fact that the people of the US were going to elect Obama, that caused the financial Collapse. The housing bubble collapsed after the fact. It was Obama's tough on Business taxes talk that led Many small Businesses Like mine to close down rather than get stuck with higher taxes ! Now as long as Obama, Reid and Pelosi are still in office, Businesses will stay shuttered !
NoMoreBlather...How, exactly, is this "misleading"? I'm on the executive team for our company and we've had similar, albeit less humorous sounding, conversations. "Can we hire 14 new people? What will that do to our health care costs?" This is NOT deceptive, it's true. As for the other videos and the whole "Kochtopus" thing...It has NO effect on the truth of this video.
@raddave9: I didn't say this video was misleading, although I could have phrased it better. However, one of their earlier videos was indeed misleading (remove the spaces):
24ahead . com/n/10168
I really don't know whether the current vid is misleading; is there a reliable survey showing widespread uncertainty? I *suspect* it's all just made-up to push their agenda, but I don't know.
@raddave9: corporate profits might have broken a record (or come close, depending on adjustments) last quarter. That doesn't indicate Panic in the Boardrooms. When you add in the fact that those linked to the Kochtopus (search it) are prone to deceive and the fact that one of BankruptingAmerica's previous videos did deceive, it doesn't look too good.
To find out how one of BankruptingAmerica's previous videos misled, remove the spaces from this:
@fsboreal: how exactly is concern about Koch influence a leftwing thing? Are you saying that the rightwing does or should do everything the Kochs want?
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BankruptingAmerica ("BA") supports "free trade" and would continue the deindustrialization of the U.S. China is about to outpace us in manufacturing, and BA would just make it worse.
They're also at least loosely linked into the "Kochtopus", those people and groups funded by or linked to the Koch family. The Kochtopus is a strong supporter of massive/illegal immigration.
Read about one of their other misleading videos here (remove the spaces):
A little simplistic, a little silly, but basically spot-on.
The lion's share of jobs in this Republic are Corporations employing under 500 people, and they are rightfully concerned, if they weren't, I'd be scared. If I owned my own business, I'd be holding-pat too.
I really don't understand the stands of this organization, is it conservative/republican bought? i saw an ad TV last week, so they do have money and are for profit, and these videos are getting more and more in sync of republican rhetoric.
Can anyone explain the fake report from the Oball administration last month? What, they inflated the real numbers with a new finacial trick?
I knew they lied about the 150,000 job increase now we have proof but they run the media so it doesnt matter to them if the lie, the drones will never figure it out.
not true. it took us more than 2 yrs to get where we are at right now. it's going to take us a lot longer to get out of this. We just need to make sure we are getting out and voting for the right people and the right kind of change. and like jcruenv--we do need a smaller govt.
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This is a good video #UN#... a lot of content summarized rather well. Thanks for posting, looking forward to watching your future videos.
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johnnehls 7 months ago
Welcome to the Obama-Depression, and its just getting started.
davenetdog 1 year ago
So true... so funny... so true that it is sad...
jazzmusiconly 1 year ago
So.......If we do nothing and change nothing, we should expect businesses to boom and jobs to be so plentiful that unemployment will be non existent. Funny thing is, if that actually worked and we had more jobs than we knew what to do with the demand for people would drive up the cost of those people and really strain the company's cashflow. This would lead to job loses and a down economy, etc. It's almost as if we were in a cycle. hmmm.
brcjacks 1 year ago
@brcjacks Your premises are incorrect. People would be able to find employment more easily in the absence of interference, but that doesn't mean that the "number" of jobs would increase to such a level that labor would become too expensive. Markets tend to move towards equilibrium, and it usually takes something such as expansionary monetary policy to push the economy to the point of overconsumption of capital.
tkwelge 1 year ago
Its "misleading" because NoMoreBlather doesn't know the proven work of business cycle and capital economists for the last 200+ years.
People don't know that what makes business grow IS KNOWN. Achiving it is not always easy because its a complex system. But the basic requirements have been known before America was made.
Yet today we have people well versed in rhetoric telling us that isn't so, or ignoring the science all together.
Educate yourself, in science, not rhetoric.
jetrpg22 1 year ago
Great Vid !!!
YManCyberDude 1 year ago
Deadly Spin: An Insurance Company Insider Speaks Out on How Corporate PR Is Killing Health Care and Deceiving Americans by Wendell Potter former Vice President of communications at CIGNA
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb Your main problem is you trust government more than you do private business.
NotEasilyRegimented 1 year ago
@NotEasilyRegimented How is that a problem in the true definition of the word? And I don't trust either especially. Private business and government both have the same problem...they are ran by human beings whose basic nature is selfishness. I don't care whether it's private or public, people are generally greedy and selfish. A wonderful book on the subject is "The Origins of Virtue: Human Instincts and the Evolution of Cooperation" By Matt Riddley This book can say it better than I ever could.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb
How often does the government see results from the market? (voters) once in a while and they have gerrymandered their locations so they don't need to worry much about their performance. Markets cannot do this (unless government helps them , and gov. does) .
"people are generally greedy and selfish." this is true however, its also true for the consumers of privete business and w/o the unfiar assistance of the government people/consumers greed will stop co. greed. Not for gov tho.
jetrpg22 1 year ago
@jetrpg22 "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their propertyuntil their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson. (the fundamental flaw of your argument is that corporations by definition are government intervention. Corporations shouldn't exist.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb
Yes this arguement was to stop inflationary and deflationary aspects of currency, and hold in place the gold standard -- yet we do this very thing today. Poor old TJ didn't see that the gov. itself would engage in such policies. However, unlike with corporations there is only one gov. that prints money for us now, and no other viable options.
A simple lack of foresight, for he never foresaw a expansive gov. such that we have today.
Good point, even if it supports private tender.
jetrpg22 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb See, statements such as "How Corporate PR is Killing Health Care" mean absolutely nothing and tell you absolutely nothing. It would be more meaningful to say something such as, "How Corporate PR is misrepresenting information in the Health Care debate." The former is almost gibberish, meant to elicit a response from the stupid. I admit that corporations have contributed to the health care problems in this country, but the government itself has had a huge part too.
tkwelge 1 year ago
@tkwelge That is not my statement dumb ass. That is the title of the book. Jesus, do you read? That is a book written by a 20 veteran pr executive of Cigna.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb Um, I never said that it was your statement. I simply said that such statements are nothing but emotional gibberish. If that is the title of a book, than I can probably surmise that that book is full of emotional grandstanding meant to persuade other simple people. Thanks for insulting me, though.
tkwelge 1 year ago
@tkwelge How about you go watch some interviews with the guy who wrote the book? How about you listen to a man who has spent 20 years in the corporations that are using healthcare and the sick to make money? His name is Wendell Potter. How about you do a little research before jumping to conclusions. How about you listen to someone who WAS IN THE BUSINESS. There are interviews with him all over the internet. Google does wonders.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb I'm not arguing against Wendell Potter. His views are his views, and I'm sure that everything that he says is accurate. However, the philosophical positions are a bit lacking. Corporations use the sick to make money? Yes, that is kinda the entire purpose of the insurance industry. This is no new revelation to me. Insurance companies exist to make money. Without that ability to profit, private insurance would not exist. Governments deny treatments to people all of the time too.
tkwelge 1 year ago
@tkwelge " If that is the title of a book, than I can probably surmise that that book is full of emotional grandstanding meant to persuade other simple people." Persuade people into what? Caring for other human beings? Not charging for healthcare? Not treating humans with thoughts and feelings like they are just bags of meat? Is that what Wendell Potter is trying to convince people to do? If so I'm all for it.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb I'm all for caring for other humans and treating them as if they are more than bags of meat. However, the issue doesn't end there. There are other factors that I am forced to acknowledge. As is the case with most things, health care resources are finite. Everybody has to have an incentive to do a large number of different things in order to make healthcare work. Simply hammering away at people emotionally is not the best way to create a well informed debate.
tkwelge 1 year ago
To sum it up. Norway has a socialist government, We don't. We don't want an authoritarian government. Well , some of us do, The lazy lamers who think they cannot provide for themselves. We are partially socialized already and that is the least efficient part of our government providing for the least productive of our citizens. Why would you want the government to provide for all your needs? Can't you do it yourself?
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo Capitalism is a failed system for the simple fact that real capitalism does not exist. The rich will always have the power to influence the market. The only way for the US to have a free market would be to outlaw all corporate spending in politics so that they cannot change laws to help their own business's. Governments purpose is to even out the playing field, otherwise we will end up with a monarchy. OH wait, we already have a monarchy with the billionaires having undo influence.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb Who will outlaw corporations having any power to influence government? How does that work exactly.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo You're right. The current system of power is fine the way it is. Dog eat dog, cut throat and unscrupulous. I like it. Personally I'm in the process of doing my own cheating to make as much money as I can while learning to invest in "legitimate." investments. I have finally realized the only way to get ahead in America is to cheat, IE be a producer at the expense of others health and well being. I am actually looking into buying a Mcdonalds franchise. If you can't beat them join em.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb Jimmy Hoffa said it for me, back in the early 60s. Today you are on top of the world. Lots of money. Beautiful wife. Wonderful gifted children. Lots of friends. But, get in an accident. One that costs your arms and legs. And you are brain damaged. WAIT 6 months and see how much money, how many friends you have.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb I have worked for several large corporations. IBM , NCR, Honeywell. I have owned 4 small businesses that I started myself. I can tell you from first hand experience that there is not much business going on that is not conducted in an ethical manner. No under the table pay-offs.No lying and cheating. Competition keeps you honest out there. And those watching your performance from within are eager to discover you in a compromising situation.
It is a jungle out there. The fit survive
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo Yep so fuck the poor, am I right? It's not my fault they were born into families with little to no education or financial opportunities. Equality, who needs it? Not me. Hell, if only it was the good old days of slavery. Well I guess we at least have economic slavery now. The system is stacked against the poor and I guess I might as well take advantage of them.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb Once upon a time I was offered a job in Vegas when I was young and beautiful. To be a bellman at the Sands Hotel. At that time , the Bellman was making about $50,000/year. it was 1960. I didn't take it because I didn't want to deal drugs, provide hookers, or generally just be a pimp for rich and famous people.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo Morales will get you no where. The Bush family and many others started out with illegal practices to make their fortunes.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb I sat on the jury once. It was a murder narcotics trial. We were sequestered in a hotel while we deliberated. The defendant was the big drug dealer on the West Side of Vegas. A black guy. Handsome. Cold, calculating. Honorable as far as drug dealers go. He blew a hole in the chest of the "narcotics undercover" agent. The hole coming out the other side was massive. Shotgun. He could have paid to have it done. Maybe $100, But no, he did it himself. He was pretty good though to his
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo~~~~~~~~~~ customers.He didn't overcharge them. He would give them some drugs if they really needed it, to prevent them from committing crimes NOW to get a fix. As drug dealers go he was fairly honest and had some integrity about him I guess. He was sentenced to death.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo And Bernie Madoff also got caught. Far more people in the banking industry are living the high life to this day. A few are always going to get caught. That is the risk you take. I wonder if the bankers who contributed to the economic collapse are losing sleep over it? I doubt it.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb I don't care what the Bush's did. Or the Kennedy's. I am only interested in living my own life as close to my own concepts of honor as I can. I try to live by the honor code. No lying, No cheating. No stealing. No tolerance for anyone who does.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo Yet you have tolerance for a health care industry who profits by denying care for it's customers? Ironic don't you think?
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb I have no tolerance for such a system. Just because you say that doensn't make it so. I believe this: If you take care of yourself, your family, your friends and neighbors, the rest will take care of itself.
1Makyo 1 year ago 2
@1Makyo I just listened to an hour long interview with Wyndell Potter who was a premiere PR guy for Sigma health insurance. He just wrote a tell all book called "deadly spin." He said that not only does the company make more money when it denies care but in fact the decision makers are given incentive to deny care through bonuses. This FACT is coming from a man who spent 20 years working for 2 of the biggest insurers in the business. I will trust Potter and Democracy now over random opinions.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb Actually I have very little tolerance for anything that I think is wrong. If you do something that commands respect from people, I will certainly respect it. If you do something that demands tolerance, usually I won't go along with it.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo Potter even goes into detail about the health insurance industries counter measures of Michael Moores movie "Sicko". He explains the main goal of himself and other PR guys was to get Moores movie associated with the word "socialist:" He even talks about basic marketing strategies they use such as repeating words so often that people natural human tendency is to believe them. Watch I'll do it. Palin is smart Palin is smart Palin is smart Palin is smart 1000x more and people will believe
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb I think that you proved your own argument wrong with your last sentence, sir.
You seem to enjoy spouting a lot of emotional, loaded statements with little actual meaning or relevance.
tkwelge 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb Influence does not equal control. I agree that corporations largely abuse the system to make the market less free. However, it is the voter's responsibility to prevent that from occurring. Banning speech at any level is unethical.
tkwelge 1 year ago
@1Makyo "To sum it up. Norway has a socialist government, We don't. We don't want an authoritarian government. Well , some of us do, " I think Norwegians would take offense to saying their government is "authoritarian" Norwegians love the system they have. The truth is when a society has so many extremely wealthy people with tons of very poor people the health of the rich also declines. This is fact. A society like japan with a more even distribution of wealth is the healthiest of all.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb "Highly concentrated and centralized power structures" in which political power is generated and maintained by a "repressive system that excludes potential challengers" and uses political parties and mass organizations to "mobilize people around the goals of the government";[
1Makyo 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb
The King is also High Protector of the Church of Norway (the state church),
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo What's your point? You would rather have a monarchy of bankers and CEO's than a literal king? You would rather have billionaires who think of the common people as nothing more than rats and dogs? You like the idea of a healthcare system that is pay to play? It is all summed up quite well in the new book "Deadly Spin." The only true freedom in the world is known by the extremely wealthy.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb my point? My points. I would prefer to live in a country where there is no state religion. I would prefer to live in a country where the opportunity to get filthy rich is possible. Not impossible.I don't want no stinkin' King. I disagree with your premise that corporations think of the common people as rats and dogs.I disagree with your premise that corporations constitute a monarchy. I agree, with qualifications that the extremely wealthy are more privileged than most everyone
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo If you think the rich can empathize with common people you have obviously never known any super wealthy. The wealthy people of earth can't empathize with the poor anymore than you or I can really empathize with the germs on a door knob. I used to work for a artist who's work sold for at least 40g up to half a million. I met many wealthy investors. Trust you me, they don't give a shit about us.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb hahaha I don't give a shit about what they give a shit about.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo One of my favorite quotes from the owner of my mom's restaurant after she offers him some food from his own restaurant was this "I don't eat this shit." Capitalism at it's finest. Asians around the Seattle area do it well. They import iellegal cigarettes, import heroin.....etc. That is the key to American wealth. Once I have enough money to buy a couple Mcdonalds or Apt buildings then I can do legal investments.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb I never buy anything that was stolen. I don't support that. I don't do business with people who screw other people. Can't trust them.
If you want to get rich no matter how, good luck. most people say they would like to make a million dollars. What they really mean is they want to spend a million dollars.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo On the contrary I don't spend any money. I'm learning to be as frugal as possible. My house is sparse. My car is old. I'm purely focussed on saving money and learning how to become wealthy in the long term. I want to be able to buy freedom. I want so much money that laws can't touch me. That is the real American dream. I don't steal. I produce and sell it to sick people who are depressed. I want them depressed so that they give me money.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb Sounds like you are doing it right. You can't spend yourself rich. Most really rich people I know and have known, were pretty frugal most of their lives.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo Norway also produces enough oil per day per person to amount to about 1000 dollars a month for each man, woman, and child in the country. The US produces a 20th as much. Socialism is easy when you have a small, homogeneous population living on top of a gold mine.
tkwelge 1 year ago
@tkwelge Exactly. (Makyo here) I wonder if I would be as smug as they in their shoes. I actually receive half of my retirement income from oil and gas royalties left to me by family members. I sort of am in the same boat with them, but I don't feel smug about it. I wish eveyone else were so fortunate as I am. I share my windfall generously with those I know who need a little help from time to time. It makes me feel good about myself to be able to. Lack of sushine affects tese people I think.
NotEasilyRegimented 1 year ago
I don't get this, don't what these idiots are talking about.
SilentkillerMulti 1 year ago
You have to be gullible, damn stupid, or both to believe this BS of a video. Big business on every level is racking in record profits and you're gonna blame this on low confidence, uncertainty, and government kicking big business around? WTF people, get your dumb asses educated and stop depending on some viral video to tell you their made up FACTS!?
raystorm7 1 year ago
very clever and well done video!
PonderWithUs 1 year ago
LOL. what a joke. The health insurance companies just posted record profits this quarter after all their bitching about universal healthcare. Corporations are sitting on more cash than ever before. Corporations literally have more unused cash sitting in their coffers than in anytime in World history. Videos like this are propaganda. This video would lead people to believe that they should feel sorry for people making 1,000,000+ a year. LOL, what a joke, wish it was funny.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago 2
@MyLittleBomb If you didn't like what you had what is now, wait until you see what you get to replace it. Doctor's will be paid less. Many more people will show up for care, overwhelming the supply. The quality of health care will be shit. The good medical practitioners will be underground or overseas.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo What I have now is nothing! So I would gladly take any healthcare over nothing any day. 1$ is better than 0$. France, Canada, Germany just to name a few love their healthcare. I would joyfully try their systems out for a change.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago 2
@MyLittleBomb What you have now is infinitely better than what you will have under Obamacare.Maybe you could be like me. Live until you are 74 and not need much in the way of health care.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo How does this comment make any sense. The Insurance companies are raking in more money now than ever before. The Republicans are going to gut the health bill of all of it's consumer protections EXCEPT the one forcing people to buy insurance because they LOVE that part. Corporations have a strangle hold on the government. A recent Insurance insider just went rogue with a new book called "Deadly Spin." I listened to an hour long interview with him describing how the Insurance works.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb Wyndell potter the health exec who turns against them said the day it really sunk in that he just couldnt do his job anymore was when he was on a company jet with the vice president, eating off of gold plated flat ware on gold rimmed china and he suddenly realized that the 5000 dollars an hour they were spending flying somewhere could be someones life.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb Not necessary to take my word for anything just watch. Fewer, lower paid, less expert medical practitioners, larger number of customers,rationed care, higher costs to the end user. This all spells disaster to me.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo I have been watching for several years now, France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Canada....etc. I even dated an Australian and Norwegian who both said they loved their governments system. In fact the Norwegian was shocked to learn how our system ran. She couldn't believe that Americans thought a for profit system for health care was alright.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb Comparing Norway to the USA? Look at GDP per capita. No way we can spend that much money on our health care. You just a shill for Obamacare? Take it somewhere else.That is to say don't bother me with your superfluous analysis.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@1Makyo "You just a shill for Obamacare? Take it somewhere else.That is to say don't bother me with your superfluous analysis." I am not a fan of the new healthcare regulations so to speak "Obamacare" watch much FUAX news? LOL. It is so easy to know where you get you information. Listen to much Limbaugh and Beck? Obama wasn't nearly radical enough in my opinion. The whole healthcare industry needs a major restructuring.
MyLittleBomb 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb 1 Luxembourg 78,409
2 Qatar 78,260
3 Norway 51,985
4 Singapore 50,180
5 Brunei 47,930
6 United States 45,934
1Makyo 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb Federal taxes in Norway 47.1%
In the US 35% Now tell me you have been watching and talking to a few people who live in socialist countries Then look at charitable institutions in Norway and the US, place like Catholic Hospitals, the Shriners hospitals for children and see what they have over there. Nada. Zip. Zero. Nothing ... Don't be a deliberate fool.
1Makyo 1 year ago
@MyLittleBomb The free health care provided in America by our "for pay" hospitals, in the emergencytroom is far superior to the best health care to be found in socialist countries.
1Makyo 1 year ago
Dont forget that the gov't. is killing many businesses by enforcing new "Green" laws and regulations that is making cost of operation and ability to operate extremely difficult if not impossible for many businesses. I am an executive in the agricultural industry and the gov't. is regulating the united states so harshly, that food cannot be produced in the us cheap enough, so instead your eating meat and veggies from brazil and mexico that is not regulated at all. How does that make any sense?
TheExecutiveDecision 1 year ago
This is an excellent video.... WELL DONE! There has not been such uncertainty, since....... the great depression! (The start of progressivism!!!)
Who's Julio! HAHAHAHAHA!
but I'm cry'n all the way to the poorhouse......
Well, thanks for this vid... Thumbs up and I'm sharing this one!
cowgirlmoon 1 year ago
This is so true. I keep telling everybody that it was the very fact that the people of the US were going to elect Obama, that caused the financial Collapse. The housing bubble collapsed after the fact. It was Obama's tough on Business taxes talk that led Many small Businesses Like mine to close down rather than get stuck with higher taxes ! Now as long as Obama, Reid and Pelosi are still in office, Businesses will stay shuttered !
hobo59 1 year ago
Such Bullshit!
I've operated several businesses & there is always uncertainity - & not more now than in the past.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
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@DillonDee1 <<< Such Bullshit!
ObowMao666 1 year ago
LOL! Love it!
eotero77 1 year ago
NoMoreBlather...How, exactly, is this "misleading"? I'm on the executive team for our company and we've had similar, albeit less humorous sounding, conversations. "Can we hire 14 new people? What will that do to our health care costs?" This is NOT deceptive, it's true. As for the other videos and the whole "Kochtopus" thing...It has NO effect on the truth of this video.
raddave9 1 year ago 12
@raddave9: I didn't say this video was misleading, although I could have phrased it better. However, one of their earlier videos was indeed misleading (remove the spaces):
24ahead . com/n/10168
I really don't know whether the current vid is misleading; is there a reliable survey showing widespread uncertainty? I *suspect* it's all just made-up to push their agenda, but I don't know.
NoMoreBlatherDotCom 1 year ago
@raddave9: corporate profits might have broken a record (or come close, depending on adjustments) last quarter. That doesn't indicate Panic in the Boardrooms. When you add in the fact that those linked to the Kochtopus (search it) are prone to deceive and the fact that one of BankruptingAmerica's previous videos did deceive, it doesn't look too good.
To find out how one of BankruptingAmerica's previous videos misled, remove the spaces from this:
24ahead . com/n/10168
NoMoreBlatherDotCom 1 year ago
Tbe Boss looks like the Deep Space 9 Captain.
eliezerberry 1 year ago
Ooooh the evil koch brothers again, lefty? I saw one under my bed yesterday!
fsboreal 1 year ago 3
@fsboreal: how exactly is concern about Koch influence a leftwing thing? Are you saying that the rightwing does or should do everything the Kochs want?
NoMoreBlatherDotCom 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
BankruptingAmerica ("BA") supports "free trade" and would continue the deindustrialization of the U.S. China is about to outpace us in manufacturing, and BA would just make it worse.
They're also at least loosely linked into the "Kochtopus", those people and groups funded by or linked to the Koch family. The Kochtopus is a strong supporter of massive/illegal immigration.
Read about one of their other misleading videos here (remove the spaces):
24ahead . com/n/10168
NoMoreBlatherDotCom 1 year ago
Awesome.
Enturbanon 1 year ago
A little simplistic, a little silly, but basically spot-on.
The lion's share of jobs in this Republic are Corporations employing under 500 people, and they are rightfully concerned, if they weren't, I'd be scared. If I owned my own business, I'd be holding-pat too.
The Change Sucks!
tutorturtle 1 year ago 10
This video is so true.
Kwicherbichen 1 year ago
THE ONLY THING THAT WILL IMPROVE THINGS IS TO SHRINK THE SIZE OF OUR GOVERNMENT. /rant
jcruenv 1 year ago 3
Depresso, are you one of those, 'everyone who disagrees with me was bought off by the evil nazi fascist corporations' kind of people?
delphi7000 1 year ago
I really don't understand the stands of this organization, is it conservative/republican bought? i saw an ad TV last week, so they do have money and are for profit, and these videos are getting more and more in sync of republican rhetoric.
TheDepreso 1 year ago
@TheDepreso CONTENT, Depreso. Focus on the CONTENT. It doesn't matter who funds it, if it's the truth, which it demonstrably is.
Tollerwahnsinn 1 year ago 3
Can anyone explain the fake report from the Oball administration last month? What, they inflated the real numbers with a new finacial trick?
I knew they lied about the 150,000 job increase now we have proof but they run the media so it doesnt matter to them if the lie, the drones will never figure it out.
KingDingaLing090 1 year ago 2
should not as bad with the republicans in the house now right?
Mostdef 1 year ago
@Mostdef Bush-era Republicans: just as bad as before.
Tea Party government waste-slashers: absolutely.
In fact, if the House can simply stand in the way of Obama's anti-business jihad, that should be worth some marginal improvement.
Tollerwahnsinn 1 year ago 2
not true. it took us more than 2 yrs to get where we are at right now. it's going to take us a lot longer to get out of this. We just need to make sure we are getting out and voting for the right people and the right kind of change. and like jcruenv--we do need a smaller govt.
izzthatright00 1 year ago
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SuperLightheaded 1 year ago
sweet
freemansbunker 1 year ago
Regime Uncertainty in a very funny nutshell hehe.
edAVP1138 1 year ago 2