Global move to ban cluster bombs - 19 May 2008

[wikieditspam]

I really don't like the concept of area bombing and cluster bombs, but really who actually does. The answer is a bit difficult, but I think deeply no-one likes war.

[SSBCSI]

Whatever dude,,,



[ATeamAnglers]

What makes cluster bombs any differen than dropping 1000 bombs in a carpet bombin run! I think I'd rather face cluster bombs... Since when are there rules in war? If you are willing to fight... Fight to win

[TheSerbianguy]

@ATeamAnglers They are talking about civilian casualties you idiot.In war there cant be civilian casualties that are that much high, that isnt an accident.Proof: My country, Serbia.It was bombed by the US and NATO using cluster bombs and uranium bombs (that was used in vietnam) that were dropped on civilian targets (intended to cause civilian casualties)and they were not punished, of course.In war there are the armies and not the civilian.Anyone can drop bombs and say it was a mistake.

[SSBCSI]

cluster bombs is illegal.....its crime against humanity

[XxKiNgxxKrAbxX]

@SSBCSI you is need learn grammar!

[TheMilitaryTactics]

I would say keep the ban on export's but the cluster bombs have a large role to play in tactics and time it takes to secure an area if needed.

[Spitfire995]

wow so why dont they ban claymores and torpedoes and nuclear weapons. how about a worldwide ban banning semi automatic weapons to top that off. give me a fuckin break and wat if some terrorist group randomly starts war. wat are we gonna fight them with, super soakers?

[TheSerbianguy]

@Spitfire995 There are no "random terrorist groups" you ignorant idiot, that's the media and your government that sells you lies everyday and you believe them.You clearly didnt see the pictures of the dead bodies in the video.Imagine you are that dead body or a relative, how would you feel?Your country (US) and NATO bombed my country for 78 days, using cluster bombs and uranium bombs on civilian targets.

[Spitfire995]

@TheSerbianguy im not an idiot shut the fuck up ur country and ur army are fuckin naziis who tried murdering an entire race in ur own country because u considered them inferior, so dont tell me about ''ooo u bombed civilian targets'' because most of the people deserved it for being fucking racist and obsessed with ethnic purity. i hope mladic is sentenced to death by having two trucks pull him apart.

[LukRacer]

Wow.

It's the fault of the bombs that the pilots were idiots!

[TheFiddog]

it is very useful,. they should not band,.. just use more visely,... but the same time,.. no matter what they use,.. they will kill people,. BECOUSE STUPID CIVILIANS ARE ALWAYS IN THE MIDDLE OF CONFLICT,.. MOVE AWAY RETARDS!!!

[Griesmayer]

@TheFiddog it's not the civilians who are in the middle of a conflict, but a conflict, that always talkes place in the middle of a civilian population.

[kainanb]

Die you ragg heads i will shove a cluster bomb straight up your asses then i will shove one up your camels ass then i will bomb your asses again oh look there is mohammad i would have bombed him back to hell you dune coon

[Aloosh12]

seriously dude this trash talkin is old school try to do some research and find something new atleast

[laosboi530]

just think...no bombs....no guns..no special weapons...just your bare fist...now thats a war to see ^^ agree anyone???

[N4LNE]

I though when you went to war you went to KILL the other side until there are no more muslims or other trash left. Notice this video is from the muslim news group aljazeera trying to get us to stop killing them. Sorry boys I am all for ordering another few hundred tons of these weapons and using them all on any place a muslim sucks air.

Alas Babylon!!!!

[Griesmayer]

@N4LNE no wonder you're a harmless civilian. If you'd get your hands on a weapon, you'd be incarcerated for being a war criminal.

[Mel7766]

I thought when you go to war the idea is to win. Why not ban rifles and side arms?

[libbina]

Ummm...did you WATCH the video? Maybe you had it on mute? I think its pretty clear why these are different than side arms. They kill civilians indiscriminately and they continue to kill and maim for decades after the conflict is over. Way to oversimplify though.

[CAPCBMERRITT]

we fight wars to win, if civilians get caught up the smart bomb/dumb bomb/spec. bomb/ cluster bomb thing, so be it

[colbertLOTR91]

it's easy to say stuff like that if you are living in a peaceful nation. Let me ask you this,If you are shot during a gang shooting,would you say so be it too?

[damshley]

excellent point...

[badattitude77769]

buy a gas hog, support henry kissinger, 666, 3000 bombers diverted to cambodia, a neutral country, skull and bones just laugh and go tee hee at all of the suffering they have caused since 1832.

[Emjay711]

Let's Ban SUICIDE BOMBERS too.

[WYBEACHBUM]

cool but look at my movies

[marksoreilly94]

the USA and Israel are the worlds biggest terrorists

freedom for palestine!!!

[WorldInFlamesAgain]

Notice the usual evil cunts not signing up for the treaty USA and it's master Israel.

Russia, China etc.

These are the Countries that need to be destroyed in the World.

[GlockMod23]

I don't See Anything Wrong with using Cluster-Bombs ! If you Go to War, you use ANY Weapon you have, to win !

[357mes]

@GlockMod23 key words being have to. those killed by cluster bombs in cities minding their business were no threat.

[ehunter2]

This is the view of the world as it looks from the drawing board with a nice Starbucks Latte resting at your elbow. Clue..the world

the "real" one, the Islamic one, doesnt care about your reason, or paradiams or 28 Articles with subparagraphs A-Z. Its a world where poverty is unimportant, violence is wholly a positive thing, killing Americans by any means is a ticket to Paradise, nuclear mushroom clouds are the Allahs blossoming flowers. THAT mindset is not going to fit into your tidy plans.

[ehunter2]

When a military such as Hezbollah hides in civilian area in order to provoke counter attack and then uses the "peace movement" to protest against Israels attack on civilians..isnt such a "peace movement" just a weapon of war?

[ehunter2]

Sincere question to peaceniks

Are you interested in "peace" or are you more interested in feeling good about yourself because you are for "peace"?

Name one actual historical time or place where there was "peace" without a superiour military force to force that peace to happen?

[Renegen1]

Listen dipshit, name me ALL historical time and places where "peace" was present because of a superior military force. You have failed to prove your theory just as much as your adversary. All you have is a theory, a theory that you hope the whole history of mankind exibits, seems like a fairly weak theory to me.

[ehunter2]

Historically the list encompasses basically all of Western Civilization from Pax Romana

to Pax Britanica, to Pax Americana. From the

containment of the USSR, Americas defeat of Germany and Japan and the explosion of prosperity and security that resulted. You are the typical ignoramus "idealist" that knows nothing but whats on your bumper sticker.

[Renegen1]

Apparently you've failed to understand what I was telling you, a few examples here and there does not mean the race of humanity is like that. Are you now an anthropologist? No you're not, so next time you come up with one of your crazy theories and generalizations, don't forget to put a disclaimer saying "very biased opinion of a know it all"

[ehunter2]

Look you sound very young and/or very ignorant. I am pointing out to you historical facts.. for example Pax Romana.

The peace that was created via the Roman Army imposing it on endless tribal wars. This name "Pax Romana" should ring like a bell inside any educated head. But instead it goes in one ear and out the other because you have no sense of history. So why dont you shout some trendy slogan "BushHitler" etc

and shuffle off..okay?

[18bites]

are you talking about the "peace" that exists now thanks to our superior military force? thanks to the "explosion of prosperity and security" that you tout, our world under the washington consensus suffers from 35% unemployment, hunger and diseases which could be wiped out if we diverted from our lunatic policy of perpetual war and military spending. but then what would you do? you'd have to join the human race. shudder

[ehunter2]

This is the view of the world as it looks from the drawing board with a nice Starbucks Latte resting at your elbow. Clue..the world

the "real" one, the Islamic one, doesnt care about your reason, or paradiams or 28 Articles with subparagraphs A-Z. Its a world where poverty is unimportant, violence is wholly a positive thing, killing Americans by any means is a ticket to Paradise, nuclear mushroom clouds are the Allahs blossoming flowers. THAT mindset is not going to fit into your tidy plans.

[ehunter2]

AL JAZEERA PROPAGANDA MARCHES ON

1. Put away bombs and bullets, you cant

win against USA

2.Flood TV loving America with videos showing that only stupid people support the war, or if you against Obama you are racist

or "its all about oil" etc.

3. Quiety support any new fair minded peace loving Jimmy Carter to appear, perhaps a black Jimmy Carter.

4. Wait till the "peace movement" wins and then resume war.

5. This is called the Vietnam II plan.

[nicholas9999]

ehunter: Not sure why you're calling this propaganda until you get to #'s 4 and 5. AJ is saying you can't win against U.S. armaments? AJ has reported the war in a rather balanced fashion, and many people think Obama has the best foreign policy outlook. Same for Jimmy Carter - engagement works best. How does the peace movement "win" and the war resume? Why would this be a Vietnam II plan? I'm just asking for more explanation.

[ehunter2]

Cut the insane, "feel good" schlock.Reason, negotiation, "engagement" works in the tiny portion of times when reason is

possible. Carter was/is a daydreaming fool that in the name of "peace" has caused more

violence and death than anyone. He forced the Shah to be "reasonable" and allow the peoples choice Khomeinei to lead. There hasnt been another free election in Iran for 30 years. Same goes for his "engagement" with Arafat, the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan,

Chavez, Castro etc.

[nicholas9999]

ehunter: Don't know where I've said anything about "feel good." You apparently don't believe in military science or good police work, in which the motivations, views and plans of your opponent need to be explored. Instead, you're mired in old thinking rooted in a "carrots and sticks" approach. We're not interested in the old stuff; read Petraeus' 28 articles of his new counterinsurgency manual for the emerging paradigm. It helps to have an open mind.

[colmmernagh]

I cant understand why the United States, China and Russia would oppose banning these weapons, the 3 are by far the most powerful nations on earth,they hardly seem necessary.

What use where the 4 million Israel dropped on south Lebanon.

[Renegen1]

It's easy, it's called the might is right philosophy. If you're a small country you're all peace and love but when you become big you believing in rightfully using that power to further your ends. But of course to the uneducated, you present a happy smile and useless rhetoric. You create a secret police or agency to run your campaigns of subversion, away from the prying eyes of educated citizen or inquiring reporters. Only when humanity grows out of this petty adolescence will we be worthy.

[colmmernagh]

Thats not entirely true,Ireland as a small nation had its fair share of voilence and war with the different paramilitary groups,same with hundreds of places.But i see your point.

Power corrupts.

[nicholas9999]

colm: As to Ireland, I think it is violence of a different sort. That is, a situation where home rule (instead of Brit rule) was the goal, so you end up having terrorism being used to achieve a level of autonomy. It's not like Ireland was threatening to other countries besides England in the region (as far as I know).

[nicholas9999]

renegen: what is needed is some sort of people's "union" that is worldwide and undercuts the "separation" between sovereign nations. the children of lebanon, along with other ordinary people, are the ones who suffer from those bombs lying around.

[pimpinsequim2]

ok you people want to ban them...but lets put YOU in the shoes of a 10 man sqaud...and there are 500 terrorists comming at you...you call in the air force...what do you want them to have???

[colmmernagh]

What!! when has a 10 man squad been up against 500 terrorists ??? 99% of the time it would be the other way around.Weapons are to kill enemies not mame civilians for years to come.

[Impact800]

BUDDAWG2004 you worthless piece of shit children people are dying now as we speak are u still thinking of wiping other religion ???? wtf is wrong u

[BUDDAWG2004]

right after we wipe out islam, we will get rid of the cluster bombs

[madmoroccan]

wipe out islam? mmmm very likely. you stupid bastard.

[Congest]

You're disgusting.

[PauloGVieira]

So the US argument is that only 289 people died from cluster bombs in 2005 and that is an insignificant number. Disgusting!

[lastnymleft]

What you didn't hear them say was that it was 289 *brown* people, and, hey, didn't you get the memo that brown people are worth less?

Fancy having a BILLION of the bloody things in stock, ready to go. The unfortunate thing about arms manufacture, though, is that the manufacturers make no money with the equipment sitting in stock. They have to turn over inventory, and order more of the latest and greatest gear. Someone has to wear the effects to keep the wheels of the "defense" industry turning

[bucksatan1]

Um, yeah and?

[sh1znack]

@PauloGVieira Do you even know how many civilian people die from "normal" arms in a year? You might as well ban ALL weapons.

When you're in a war, you'll use anything you can get your hands on. Trust me.

[PauloGVieira]

@sh1znack What do you regard as "normal" arms? I don't know what strange country you are from but it is not "normal" to carry around weapons that can end a persons life. I would have no problem with such weapons being banned from civilians.

[anthonyfoxtrott]

what is outstanding from this story? china's stance. did they veto or support the ban? wake up, aljazeera; the world is changing.

[PauloGVieira]

Exactly, but not how you think it is.

[anthonyfoxtrott]

please substantiate...

[Renegen1]

I'm sorry you're so insecure. For that matter none of the European countries or Japan was ever mentioned, but you don't see anyone decrying that do you.

[anthonyfoxtrott]

? say what? who's holding the olympics in 2 months and is dealing with a major humanitarean crisis? my argument is that by excluding China this story is less news worthy. mentioning the rest of the world without including china is an error in reporting on global affairs.

[Renegen1]

haha, no comment.

[PauloGVieira]

Given the fact that the US is the biggest supplier of cluster bombs and uses them more than any other country I think the report is good enough.

[nicholas9999]

anthony: It is aljazeera ENGLISH, so the idea is to bring relevant news to those who speak English. So what if China also opposes the ban? What real diff would it make - we're supposed to do what China does? If China opposes the ban, does it make it more okay that we also oppose it? I don't think so.

[anthonyfoxtrott]

If China veto'd ~ we'd know they condone the usage, but are hesitant to take a stance with the pending olympics - avoiding all issues with humanitarean connotations. I just believe that with China on the verge of dominating every major industry in the world, the media has to put them under the magnifying spotlight now, rather than later.

There is a major risk of social marginalisation on a global scale due to lack of information in the near future.

But i guess that doesnt sell advertising...

[Renegen1]

"If China veto'd ~ we'd know they condone the usage, but are hesitant to take a stance with the pending olympics - avoiding all issues with humanitarean connotations."

What bullcrap, if China vetoed they'd be no better than the United States. Might is right. And given their appalling human right record, I expect absolutely nothing from China on such a humanitarian issue. And why would they be afraid to take a stand on MASS MURDER CLUSTER BOMBS before the Olympics of all things, bullcrap again.

[nicholas9999]

anthony: If you wish to be a policy analyst, then read what thinktankers out of georgetown, lbj school of public affairs, and others are saying about china's expansionism, stance on cluster bombs or other concerns, and the olympics as an attention-getting event. Your disengenuous approach to deflecting criticism of U.S. policy is embarrassing to other Americans. Please stop immediately.

[anthonyfoxtrott]

I'm not american, and i'm definitely not Pro-American and Pro-Bush. I'm not kidding ~ China is such a different part of the world if ppl do not learn enough now about China now, the possibility of extensive marginalisation is huge. And, as i said, it probably doesnt sell advertising. I watch Aljazeera for my newa, but i'm not all-loving.

[feherman86]

It is my hope Canada shows some global leadership here and condemns the use of Clusters.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in the institution of the Armed Services. I have seen what Clusters do first hand and they are devastating.

[Congest]

Not too likely to happen under Harper.

[feherman86]

Hello Congest; I hear what your saying but he is in a minority. If you ever saw a Cluster pac up close ... it would remind you of an old fashion ball. There can be 200 9mm. shots in it and about 1/4 stick of TNT.

They can kill 40 years later.