aHHHH. The days of hittin any one of 40-50 clubs in NYC, joint lit, nose stuffed with Go Go candy, heading to check out a band. Saw Television once at the Ritz and then another time at El Mundo/the Love Club on E 2nd. MGMT90 said it-the impetus for the Strokes, but lets' get real. Television was a star studded effort (Eno too! ); they were a more important band than the Strokes, who seem thinly positioned in the minds of older fans, who love and remember the 70's NYC Underground Music scene.
my whole thought on the clash between Richard Hell and Tom Verlaine is this...Verlaine played his instrument better, while Hell had the better voice. to me they were equals but Verlaine just acted like a douche.
Richard Hell was simply the glittering star of the band, a personality too much above the others, which Verlaine should have accepted just as Mick Jones in the Clash and Steve Jones in the Pistols - aka the main contributors to the bands' sound despite not being the main attractions. Television would have then continued to be the great "raw" band you can hear in this demo, instead of the weak attempt to repeat it which goes under the name of Marquee Moon :)
I had this bootleg/record in the '70s/early '80s. Richard Hell was still in the band and his bass-playing seems perfectly OK to me... thanks for the post
Did he only play bass? I was under the impression that one of the reasons (along with his rowdy behavior) he got kicked out of the band was because he wasn't able to keep up with the guitar solo on the song 'Marquee Moon'
@ogloccness Richard Hell played bass, sang & wrote some of early Television's best songs, like Blank Generation (he later did it as Richard Hell & The Voidoids in 1977. 2 albums: Blank Generation & Destiny Street). He and Tom Verlaine went to a private school together, ran away when they were 17, went "on the road" & then to New York to become poets. Hell left Television (first 'modern' Punk Rock band, haircuts, ripped clothes & all) because of ego clashes with Verlaine for the band's leadership
@ogloccness He only ever played bass, they claimed it was because he couldn't keep up with the intricacies of the BASS LINE of 'Marquee Moon' among other things that he was kicked!
@kidcalabria he cant really play in time. With all the guitar parts and busy drumming they wouldve sounded too loose with out a rock solid bass player like Fred Smith.
@00Jackacid I saw Richard Hell live a few times & he's a perfectly solid bass-player. Of course Fred Smith's more technically proficient, but it's no mystery that Hell's exit from Television wasn't just about his bass-playing: there was a clash of egos with Verlaine over different things. Haven't heard this in a long time but when I did I remember thinking that his bass-playing was fine. If it had really been that bad Brian Eno & Island Records wouldn't have really considered signing them
Awesome sound! Have always loved the Marquee Moon album and it's so fantastic to hear these songs in a more raw and energetic form. Thanks so much for uploading these!!!!
@MGMT90 yeah, i love both the bands. Television for creating two classic albums and influencing the strokes, and the strokes for being the best band of the 21st century.
aHHHH. The days of hittin any one of 40-50 clubs in NYC, joint lit, nose stuffed with Go Go candy, heading to check out a band. Saw Television once at the Ritz and then another time at El Mundo/the Love Club on E 2nd. MGMT90 said it-the impetus for the Strokes, but lets' get real. Television was a star studded effort (Eno too! ); they were a more important band than the Strokes, who seem thinly positioned in the minds of older fans, who love and remember the 70's NYC Underground Music scene.
masqueraider666 1 month ago
my whole thought on the clash between Richard Hell and Tom Verlaine is this...Verlaine played his instrument better, while Hell had the better voice. to me they were equals but Verlaine just acted like a douche.
TheP00pBandit 1 month ago
Richard Hell was simply the glittering star of the band, a personality too much above the others, which Verlaine should have accepted just as Mick Jones in the Clash and Steve Jones in the Pistols - aka the main contributors to the bands' sound despite not being the main attractions. Television would have then continued to be the great "raw" band you can hear in this demo, instead of the weak attempt to repeat it which goes under the name of Marquee Moon :)
Nizhinskij 1 month ago
@Nizhinskij Yeah, maybe the "glittering star" but he couldn't play...
jesuisarmenienne 1 month ago
btw check out the neon boys- best richard hell stuff on there.
00Jackacid 3 months ago
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... my mind is blown !
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elephantstone222 8 months ago
I had this bootleg/record in the '70s/early '80s. Richard Hell was still in the band and his bass-playing seems perfectly OK to me... thanks for the post
kidcalabria 10 months ago
@kidcalabria
Did he only play bass? I was under the impression that one of the reasons (along with his rowdy behavior) he got kicked out of the band was because he wasn't able to keep up with the guitar solo on the song 'Marquee Moon'
ogloccness 10 months ago
@ogloccness Richard Hell played bass, sang & wrote some of early Television's best songs, like Blank Generation (he later did it as Richard Hell & The Voidoids in 1977. 2 albums: Blank Generation & Destiny Street). He and Tom Verlaine went to a private school together, ran away when they were 17, went "on the road" & then to New York to become poets. Hell left Television (first 'modern' Punk Rock band, haircuts, ripped clothes & all) because of ego clashes with Verlaine for the band's leadership
kidcalabria 10 months ago
@ogloccness He only ever played bass, they claimed it was because he couldn't keep up with the intricacies of the BASS LINE of 'Marquee Moon' among other things that he was kicked!
squatters1 5 months ago
@kidcalabria he cant really play in time. With all the guitar parts and busy drumming they wouldve sounded too loose with out a rock solid bass player like Fred Smith.
00Jackacid 3 months ago
@00Jackacid I saw Richard Hell live a few times & he's a perfectly solid bass-player. Of course Fred Smith's more technically proficient, but it's no mystery that Hell's exit from Television wasn't just about his bass-playing: there was a clash of egos with Verlaine over different things. Haven't heard this in a long time but when I did I remember thinking that his bass-playing was fine. If it had really been that bad Brian Eno & Island Records wouldn't have really considered signing them
kidcalabria 3 months ago
@kidcalabria yeah technical is what i mean.
00Jackacid 3 months ago
... superb !
ThePnutNo2 10 months ago
it's got that bit of glam that only Eno can pull off; such a different attitude from the final release. I dig it!
JslavGuitar 1 year ago
Love it love it!
TheKellydupree 1 year ago
Awesome sound! Have always loved the Marquee Moon album and it's so fantastic to hear these songs in a more raw and energetic form. Thanks so much for uploading these!!!!
squeekycat 1 year ago
see were the strokes got der sound 4rm....
MGMT90 2 years ago 4
@MGMT90 yeah, i love both the bands. Television for creating two classic albums and influencing the strokes, and the strokes for being the best band of the 21st century.
jadakiss98682 4 weeks ago
thank you so much for this video.
suzesrc 2 years ago 6
great stuff thanks for sharing
nikjagger 2 years ago 2