Incredible as most people that criticize the Bible has never read it. Apple? Evil existing because Eve did what? You never read the Bible, man. You got to read it, before you say something about it.
I like how he conveniently forgets to mention Hitler. So what if Hitler was a Christian and Stalin was an atheist? It just goes to prove that the real reason they committed genocide was that they both had mustaches. Duh.
I love when fundamentalist Christian scum put their fairy tails above logic and then to advertise their own religion by attacking their fellow theist brothers
but hay Christianity must be right, it says evil exist because a woman ate a magic apple from a magic tree in a magic forest because an evil talking snake told her too
thats so much smarter than we silly atheists talking about science and evaluation
@chineselard Can you read? Shows how much you know. No where in the bible does it say it was an apple. It says it was a fruit never says what kind. In any case regardless of the the book of genesis says you can at least you can at least educate yourself before you go bashing something you clearly do not understand or apparently have not bothered read.
@jcn35 ow yeah because we all know it makes it sound perfectly logical to say a woman in a magic forest ate a magic FRUIT because an evil talking snake told her
"you can at least you can at least educate yourself" way to own yourself
" have not bothered read" let me guess, your an american?
@TomorrowsChild77 Isn't science a very similar thing, youknow, nothingness making everything? Except I think atheists like it because of the explosion part
60 days of prayer? What takes God so long to start answering? Oh wait, I know. Because 60 days is about how long it would take to rewire your brain into believing something for which, at the end of the day, there is precisely zero evidence for. People can make themselves believe just about anything, evidence be damned.
If you guys are going to direct the info towards Hitler as a Christian then it's only fair that I direct your attention towards Stalin or Che, The earlier who actually killed roughly twice as many people than Hitler did.
@SteelandSouls15 Che (and Castro for that matter) was a catholic you moron, he just was not the kind of religious jackass that you and Andrew are like
@MuslimRebelRevolte that small time being when he was in power right? And the fact he used it as a propoganda tool. And I'll give you Che. Fault on my part. So what about Kim Jong Il? Pol Pot? Mao Zedong? Benito Mussolini? Oh God especially Mussolini who was a Hitler supporter as well as Anti-Semitic. Napoleon Bonaparte?
@SteelandSouls15 in his first 5 years in power he was atheist, but converted back, and when Hitler invaded he said it was a holy war of the Orthodox Communists Vs the Catholic Nazis
Mao was a Buddhist but didn't not think their was a god (you know like all Buddhist) I should know because Im a Maoist
Pol Pot? His policys were capitalist, he just called himself a Maoist because he was scared of being attacked by the many near by communists
Mussolini? He and Hitler sent commies to camps idiot
@MuslimRebelRevolte Isn't there a difference between an individual person who happens to be of a belief attacking in the name of that belief vs. that belief actually endorsing their attack?
Ex: If we take your comment at face value, Hitler professed to be Catholic & viewed his regime to be attacking in the name of Catholicism. But did the tenants of Catholicism actually justify such a war?
@MuslimRebelRevolte Even better, with Catholicism in particular, we actually have an official organization that can sanction things in the name of Catholicism. Vis-a-ve, we can actually say whether Catholicism literally said "yea" or "nea" to the Hitler's actions. Happy to say, they did not. In fact, the Pope at the time actively opposed Hitler & faced threat of death from him several times on the issue.
@SteelandSouls15 What matters is what ideology they advocated. Atheism does not imply any specific ideolgy, only excludes those based on the idea of gods for which there is no evidence. The reason people advocate Christianity is its supposed benign nature. Hiter proved it wrong. Atheism can accomodate both good and monstrous regimes, but atheists do not advocate their position because it brings peace, but because it is intellectualy honest at its core.
I totally agree with Andrew Klavan on this one too. What I find to be funny is that the atheists are always the first to sue for their God given rights of free speech, liberty etc.
This guy's condescending posture is completely dislocated from the fact he owes his advanced western life-style to scientists who stood up to the B.S. of mainstream religious doctrine.
@yotamephmh So because there are extremists in a religion the religion as a whole is corrupt? No, islam as a whole is good, so is hindu and christianity. Don't let the minority sway your opinion away from God.
@tadhg964 Well, the Bible is full of people doing those things, it is a historic document among other things. But did God approve? By that standard, there is still one thing from your list that still stands: genocide. In the Biblical account, God actually *ordered* the Israelites to kill all the men, women, children, and livestock of the Canaanites and burn all their possessions He punished them when they failed to do this completely.
@tadhg964 (continued) I have no problem with God himself wiping out most people on earth (Noah) or in a region (Sodom and Gomorrah) - He is the Creator and would know the cost/benefit. But asking another tribe to do the dirty work? I still don't understand that. Seems ripe for abuse.
@sdgathman "I still don't understand that. Seems ripe for abuse." excellent point (in a sense). Lets assumes for arguments sake there is a god. Why would he need cronies and muscle men? why not do the job himself and prevent ppl from falsely claiming divine permission? Answer: God doesn't need our use middle men and for good reason!
@tadhg964 "God doesn't need our use middle men and for good reason!" God doesn't need middle men, but He likes to let us "help" anyway. My problem is just that genocide (while perfectly acceptable in my mind for God to carry out via volcano or whatever) doesn't seem like a good way for us comparative toddlers to "help" with. The Caananites probably did need wiping out, but not by another tribe. And the Israelites copied many of the sins of the Caananites in the end.
@sdgathman "middle men" by this i mean a means of communication. Think of all the ppl's in history and in modern time who said that they where doing something with god's permission, when they where clearly just crazy, god know that there are people out the that would claim to be his messenger for selfish reason, god is a smart dude this I way god would never use a messenger, because he knows (as you said early) this would be rife for abused. tbc....
@sdgathman Why would god order the killing of innocent infants? Answer: he wouldn't, God is a smart guy, he would know that the child had done nothing wrong and deserved no punishment. God may have created man but God certainly doesn't communicate with man, God doesn't take sides or give hints, the world is what we (man) make of it. If you look at it rationally it quit clear, the question is not "is there a God", its "is there and Interventionist God?" and the answer is clearly no.
yes klavan your right the world will be a better place with more religious bigots killing off those lesser pesky jew.. um.religions, banning of condoms to help speed up that lovely godly punishment of aids on the unbelieving, denial of control for women over their bodys so we can help give birth to billions more babys and eventually outstrip all of earths natural resources so we call all enjoy the delights of over crowding and eventual starvation.
@Thistlesifter220 just in case you didn't understand and just typed that as a christian knee jerk reaction, everything i said is true but using klavans satirical sarcastic humor.
Hitler and the Nazis were Catholics and at the time were endorsed by non other then the pope & indirectly nearly caused the extermination of the Jews
the pope tells all Catholics to not use condoms which indirectly helps the spread of aids & the death of millions
@Azz156 If you believe Hitler was Christian, you're a hack. Hitler hated Christianity. He said so himself in private, regardless of what he told the propaganda-addled masses, and he said so in less-private circumstances after he became dictator. Do you even realize the source of the "Hitler was Catholic" myth? A war criminal named Speer who was on trial and wanted to make Hitler more appealing so he'd appear like a duped follower. He never cited anything reliable to back himself up.
@canofsand no your a hack, hitler was a catholic & was openly endorsed by Pope Pius XII himself. heres a quote from hitler himself.
"It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter In boundless love as a Christian and as a man"
@Azz156 ahahhahaahh you're an idiot if you believe that Hitler made religion illegal he painted your so called peace sign on the catholic churches he destroyed as a sign of the broken cross. fool.
@Azz156 You can believe whatever you want with your history revisionist twattle. I already pointed out the DOCUMENTED, NONCONTROVERSIAL-AMONG-CREDIBLE-HISTORIANS FACTS about Speer, the war criminal and the Catholic Hitler myth.
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.
"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941.
@canofsand again it doesnt matter what hitler thought in his personal life he used religion as a tool to manipulate the German people & also the pope if you recall.
@canofsand i swear it drives you guys insane when you notice religion isn't as good and wonderful as you were taught in school. in principle its a nice idea like communism but in practice it fails miserably.
@canofsand sure by todays zietgiest Hitler was immoral and couldn't be a christian but in his day that was the normal opinion of most Catholics in central europe. if it wasn't then ww2 wouldnt have happened so indirectly we can blame ww2 solely on religions influence.
Regardless if Hitler was a Christian in his personal life or not, he used it as a tool to motivate the German people to do horrific things in the name of christ,
long story short, jews killed jesus there fore jews are bad.
@Azz156 You don't understand anything about Christianity if you think they hate jews. Christianity came from judaism, they are relative religions. Hitler was a fascist who killed a million Catholics as well as six million jews, and he hated all religion, so no, religion cannot be blamed for ww2, it was hostilities flowing over from ww1 that lead to the second war.
@RockoJoe90 considering everyone was a catholic back then makes your point mute. also if you read what i wrote i said "Regardless if Hitler was a Christian in his personal life or not, he used it as a tool to motivate the German people to do horrific things in the name of christ"
so if catholics didn't hate jews then hitler wouldn't have been able to use them as a scape goat for Germany's problems and there fore hitler properly wouldn't have been able to rise to power.
@Azz156 Actually, you should know that at that time their was already a huge atheist movement as well as a protestant one that had both taken quite a while before ww2.On that point you are ignorant it seems. Hitler was not religious, saying so does not make it true. Catholics do not hate jews, the reason why populations have used jews as scapegoats time and time again is because they could practice collecting interest on loans while other religions could not. Learn actual history please.
@RockoJoe90 by huge do u mean a fraction of a percent of the whole population, i'll correct myself then 99.9% of central Europeans at the time were religious since i cannot be absolutely accurate. it wasn't until the second half of last century did non theism start to spread.
Look up Jewish deicide, it was or still is a term catholics use on jews for the death of jesus, hell its still in the bible (Matthew 27:24-25)
@RockoJoe90 To say Hitler wasn't a catholic is abit misleading since he was raised a catholic & showed strong Christian conviction in his public rallies & because of that it really doesn't matter what he said in his private life. go have a read of some of his speeches & maybe you'll learn some history too...
@RockoJoe90 lastly before other christians start playing that communism athiest card, a lot of US Presidents were atheists (John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Buchanan & George Washington)
@Azz156 They were not atheists, they were Deists, meaning that God created the universe and then left it alone.
Hitler was not raised anything. His mother read him old testament, not new. He was never catholic himself. Trying to say that religion caused ww2 is idiotic as I have stated. Stop lying about the past and start worrying about the future.
If we don't do something about where America's heading, we won't be able to have these arguments.
@RockoJoe90 Cabalistic Christianity, which is Catholic Christianity, and which has prevailed for 1,500 years, has received a mortal wound, of which the monster must finally die. Yet so strong is his constitution, that he may endure for centuries before he expires.
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, July 16, 1814
@RockoJoe90 Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this people in utter honesty and sincerity.
@RockoJoe90 you can pretend all you want that Hitler wasn't a Christian but history disagrees with you.
Like i said before it doesn't matter what he said in his private life during the war he USED religion to inspire the masses against the jews & to unite Germany for his own ends, so taking this arguement to its logical conclusion if Europe was 100% atheistic then chances are this psychopath wouldn't have risen to power.
@Azz156 HE USED JEWS AS A SCAPEGOAT, that is all he did with religion, how you don't understand that I have no clue. You are uninformed on this topic, or at best misinformed.
@RockoJoe90 So you do finally admit that religion had a role to play in WW2, and by the way thanks for quoting me (aka "HE USED JEWS AS A SCAPEGOAT")
also that wasn't all he did with religion since he use strong christian language in all of his rally speeches & won the endorsement of the pope and the catholic church, please read my other comments before you comment.
@RockoJoe90 so now were talking about the future but you leading us to believe that religion is the answer, if the past is anything to go by then we should dump old ideas like religion in the dust bin of history.
Don't worry i don't think Americas going anywhere but is little concern of mine since i live in Australia
@Azz156 Its getting abit tiring hearing that because some dictators had similar ideas to alot of people that somehow makes it evil. yes Hitler was a catholic (to say when he lost his faith is abit hard to pin down), yes Stalin & Mao held atheist ideas. The real question is did what they believe motivate them to do these things or were they just psychopaths. like for example Bin Laden was motivated by religion.
@canofsand bugger off, don't twist my words. would you rather we all die of starvation when the population reaches over 15 billion, the earth can barly manage 8 billion humans (there's only so much farm-able land)
@Azz156 I didn't "twist" your words. I took them to their logical conclusion. A conclusion you just verified. So... you're for the murder of innocent unborn children because it's the lesser of two evils, with the greater being an insane alarmist vision of overpopulation? Got it.
@canofsand Now that i think about it i think you have lured me into one of those famous right wing Christian traps. i didn't say i am for abortion or against it i was just saying how the church wants to ban condoms and abortion which will lead to over population. id prefer we just use more condoms to prevent it getting to the abortion stage and solving both problems at once. but then again catholics consider condoms to be a form of abortion so i don't know.
thelossbloodlock the supernatural being created itself. Its something we can't understand yet, but we must have faith because we know that He is there and He says in the Bible that He has always been there. "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."
Writing out about your disbelief in God in this chat forum, will bring you countless replies by Christians such as me, babbling about facts about your SPECULATIVE facts, until you are driven crazy and realize there is no way to disprove theism (or vice versa).
Anyways please just be mindful Christians want you to join their club! ...and some times cult...(depending on what branch of Christianity hehe).
1:08 "and so are rapidly being replaced by fundamentalists crazies with absurd beards, who dress there women like the spirit of Christmas yet to come...."
LOL [laugh] It's funny because it's true! Thumbs up if you find the statement crude but potentially true!
haha YES! the world does make sense when you're a Christian, seriously guys, check it out! Call (aka pray) to God in solitude today and everyday and your life will clear up... no joke!
the fact remains that religion is man made fairy tales and anthropomorphic god a fiction. It causes more harm than good (islam is always easiest example). The real (though uncomfortable to mention) enemy of falling birth rates in the west has been feminism.
God, is Andrew Klavan funny. Obama has supplanted God as the One. Because we are the ones we have been waiting for, change you can believe in, yes we can. I have already noticed the decrease in global warming, the decrease in radical Muslim extremism and an economic rebirth around the world. Plus, Club Gitmo is even still open so that radical Islamists have a nice place to stay.
@Saidenz I know what he said. "It'll make you feel better, It'll help society, It'll satisfy your desire for answers for this mysterious cosmos. Just have faith, BELIEVE, and it shall come to you."
None of those things are proofs for the existence of a god. They are just reasons why faith may be good for you. I don't believe things just because it feels good, I believe things based on if they are shown to be true or not.
Believing lies because they feel good is more of a liberal tendency.
@eldrewto55 I like your logic (especially your last sentence - good point), but the thing is, what he is saying is true. Christians don't believe in fairytales and stuff just because it makes them feel good, but because it is the truth and we know by our history, and even scientific fact.... (continued)
@eldrewto55 ...How can a universe be there without some powerful, intelligent being to make it so? Things don't just pop up out of nowhere, especially not if something isn't there first to make it happen. If you ask me I think that atheists are far more radical considering that they believe that the Universe was created by absolutely nothing.
@FrancesKay1 I didn't say the universe was conceived from nothing. I don't know how the universe came about into being. But scientists are using actual math instead of some old book to find out.
All I do know is that christians, muslims, buddhists, hindus, roman polytheists, etc etc don't have any compelling evidence for their particular case.
I also don't see how something as complex as a universe-creating deity doesn't itself need some sort of supernatural reason as to why it exists.
@eldrewto55 Hawkings said sometime ago that the math will never figure it out.
To deduce all religion to ancient greek polytheism is meaningless argumentative rhetoric. I deduce your mother to a prostitute because she shares some characteristics with thai street hookers but that would be ridiculous woudn't it?
Your third statement is dawkins' who created the creator statement reworded and its self defeating when you're intellectually honest with yourself.
@Vlaxitov Maybe, maybe not. The point is that I don't believe things until there is evidence. The big bang has some evidence under it's belt, so I mostly believe in it. I keep abreast of scientific debate nonetheless, because I realize new evidence could come to light that disproves previous theories. All you're doing is saying that because the evidence one way isn't perfect, then your totally unproven opinion must be true by default.
@Vlaxitov Cont..... I can actually see my mother and I can see a thai streetwalker, so your crass metaphor does little good. My point with that is those are all different ways a person can think the universe was created and currently works, and they all try to say that because science hasn't got all the answers right now, than they must be right by default. And they say this without evidence of their own.
It's self-defeating because the buck has to stop somewhere, eh? But why your buck?
@eldrewto55 What piece of solid evidence do you have supporting the big bang? What can you put in my hands that would convince any sane person outside of books filled with other mens fallable opinions. People don't say science doesen't have the answer now, our best scientific minds say we will never find the answer. Why don't you go and actually read into it. The rest of what you said was the classic "I know its wrong now but have faith that we will find the truth." We've all heard that before..
@Vlaxitov You still haven't offered the slightest evidence as to why not just any god, but YOUR god created the universe.
If the big bang were disproved tomorrow, why should your opinion be the only other default? All the other religions claim they are right because we haven't explained the origin of the universe. Do you subscribe to all of those other religions too?
See, I know that the big bang is a little shaky. But you have NOTHING.
Interested in evidence? Look for it yourself! And I don't mean that disrespectfully. You won't be disappointed. Youtube comments are hardly a place to completely clear such questions. The truth is out there for you to find, if only you'd look. The creation itself is evidence of God, in that a marvelous design like the universe needs an intelligent designer. Go ahead and give it a search, rather than hold on to that sinking theory. Good luck. :)
@FrancesKay1 Well it wasnt nothing that the Big Bang came out of ( if the Big Bang is true), we dont have a word to describe the physicality of what preceeded the big bang, it wasnt nothing as we would normally use the term, it was more like a vacuum. And since we have viewed sub-atomic particles coming out of nothing, we can postulate the same for the singularity of the Big Banh Theory
@eldrewto55 If you believe Klavan is a wise man, then shouldn't you look into his belief in Christianity? Maybe he is right about this just as he is right about everything else. After all, he uses logic and reason. And btw, Christianity is a religon of history. The truths taught 2000 years ago by Jesus have been passed on and recorded in letters which today make up the Bible.
eldrewto55 And God is provable by science. There is no way everything can come into being out of absolutely nothing without some supernatural intelligent being. You think all THIS happened on its own. Look around you, Look up at the stars. AND God reveals Himself to us all the time you just have to keep your eyes open to it
It seems that a lot of atheists think that because your religious means you look to god instead of logic and reason. But where does that come from anyway . . .
Nope, wrong buddy. I'm agnostic, not atheist. Put brain in motion before moving mouth. You don't know there is a God either. And if you do, tell him I'd like to chat LOLOL
And sure, in the countrys with high percentage of atheist are indeed very violent and poor and miserable, countrys like Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Germany, oposed to those coutrys with almost no atheist like Romania, Grece, Bulgaria wich have high standard of life. And why shouldn't be so? In Romania we are building a 400 milion euro Cathedral so that God will give health care to the people because hospitals are closed.
@TheEuunul I don't know about Romania, but I can tell you with first-hand experience that up till about a decade back, the People's Republic of China actively persecuted theists because they were officially atheist. In recent years, they have begun toning down (a little bit only; church leaders are still arrested quite frequently) because they are beginning to abandon their communist principles.
In your own words: "they have begun toning down because they are beginning to abandon their communist principles." Do you see? Not becouse they are christians or hindu or muslism or budhist, they are persecuted becouse they are disidents. I am an atheist but because my anti-comunist worldview I would be persecuted to in China.
@TheEuunul Not really, man. I said that they were persecuted because the communists were officially atheist. Their position is one of State Atheism. Even today, despite relaxing religious persecution, membership into the Communist Party will be denied if you are a believer.
Only verry supid people believe that comunist were atheist, men with some brain know that most of the comunists were christians in Rusia and also in my country, Romania. And I could prove with my claim with facts: in Romania in 1989 there was almost 4 million PCR members without counting members of youth organisation of PCR- UTC but at 1992 census only 34000 people declared themseve atheist. 34000 atheist made only 0,5% from the total of PCR members.
Yeah, because this is the main objective of religion: to put everyone in the pace of society. This is done by absurd or no logic at all, in exchange for the feeling of protection and false peace. True peace lies in reason, and is simply absurd to think that the atheist is unhappy or miserable, just because he found happiness and confort in another place: Truth.
@gabriellando so we're supposed to believe that such a complex universe just formed because of a massive explosion caused by nothing? for believers, truth and reason come from God, and truth is that people (theist or atheist) do not know everything there is to know about the world and life, and to totally rule out even the possibility that there is a god is "absurd"
I like most of the stuff Andrew says, but the video he did here just plain sucks. It honestly surprised me to find out that he's a religious man , because most of what he says is very logical. It's unfortunate.
I practiced the God in 12,045 days plan, and ended up finding science, rationality, and atheism. So for me the plan worked. An exhaustive search for god lead me to reality. Ever since, I've lead a life free of religious bigotry, fear, and dogma and found a life abundant in the meaning and value I put on it myself. I've discovered the wonders of science and human achievement and the enriching value of higher education. I've learned to value the human mind and all it is capable of discovering.
@ogunitracy Oh to be sure there are many with religious beliefs who do important work for science, but at the core any supernatural claim without supporting evidence and facts is non-scientific. However, I can most certainly respect actual scientific inquiry into what might otherwise be unsubstantiated supernatural claims. For instance if someone uses actual scientific methodology to investigate ghost claims, and shares any factual findings on the subject, I can support that as valid inquiry.
What do you think about the historical method of investigating claims? That's how to determine if an event in the past actually happened. It's used to prove Jesus' existence that he performed miracles and that he resurrected.
@GermanChocolateCake Communist China, Russia, etc :) plus he just means...our civilization as in (if i am getting this correctly) the non Muslims in the world...tad racist....but has a point
@kevinjjfr Um what? How has faith preserved Communist China, Russia, etc.? And the history of muslim nations tend to demonstrate an inability to maintain any lasting peace. War is endemic to their history.
Nations endure through the hard work and cooperation of their people. I can't think of any demonstrable instance of faith being the decisive factor.
Your post made little sense to me.
By the way, muslims are not a race, they are a religion/ideology of many peoples from many races.
@kevinjjfr If you seriously think that the middle east has not seen wars of faith, then you seriously need to do some actual studying of the regions history. You also seem to be terribly naive about some of the core tenets of islam. Perhaps you should google the history of islam.
Not all muslims are arabs thus calling muslims a race is flawed.
Additionally, some of us do not believe in divine sparks, and yet have no problem forming and functioning within civilizations and groups peacefully.
@GermanChocolateCake war has nothing to do with religion, there will always be war, if not in the name of religion then in the name of something else. I have a major in history. thanks.
i was saying hes calling all the Arab immigrant Islamic is raciest, because hes assuming Arab = Muslim.
those groups that have no god go threw what happens in china and USSR. You being happy or not, i don't care, civilization needs god to stay stable, or it deteriorates quickly (3 generation or so it starts)
@kevinjjfr That's quite an hypothesis you have there. It seems to presume both the existence of a god, and the need for that god in order for civilizations to survive.
Do you have any facts to support that hypothesis? We'll need at least some evidence of a god, and much more evidence to link said being to the prosperity of human cultures.
And once again, you have proven that you do not know what Christianity is actually about.
Heaven is the place where we find Peace of mind after death. What exactly heaven looks like, we cannot tell. Since every person on the earth have a different opinion on what brings Inner Peace, heaven can't really be a specific place where you do specific things, right?
You seem to be narrow minded, My friend. You believe whatever you wan, I respect you anyway. Why can't you do the same?
Then why do you question it? If I'm scared of death, will you not let me believe that God will bring me peace in his kingdom of heaven? Or are you of the kind who believes you can prove me wrong?
My friend, you have alone put together a view on Christianity based on spare parts and scrap metal. What you Think i believe, and what i believe, are two different things. Talk to a preacher or a cleric, and they will make you understand what religion is about, and Then, you can decide weather you believe in it or not, and question my belief.
@thatamazinggeek You do not understand the religion, my friend. We do not believe in an imaginary friend who grants us wishes. We believe in that When we die, God will embrace us and bring us peace, and we believe that God wants us to show love and respect to all others. God is no wizard, but a beacon of light to guide us in dark times such as these.
If you think of Peace, Love, Respect and understanding as Delusions, I feel sorry for you.
what us evil secularists look down on is not all religious people, but assholes who have the nerve to call the lives of people they they've never met "meaningless" because those people don't talk to an invisible man for 10 minutes a day. (3:15)
Unfortunately, Klavan falls into the common misconception that all atheists are liberals. That is no more true than asserting all christians are conservatives.
Interesting how the atheists are so upset. Why? If you don't believe in God, or what he's making a spoof on Only on TV ads, then it shouldn't bother you.
One of your vids is named: "Liberalism Exposed: Beyond the Elitist, Preening America-Hating Stereotypes"... so it's ok to stereotype Atheists as liberal, self and others hating, superior feeling, never ever children having morons, who just cant ever be happy at all?!
... and stop attacking reason and science as they were bad!
I really like almost anything what you say, but your hate of atheists isn't very kind and christian! Maybe one time you think about that. I'm an conservative atheist.
@ogunitracy No. That's just a ridiculous idea anyways and would turn the word "love" into a meaningless phrase. I love my family and close friends. I was in love with my ex girlfriend and still like her. Why should I love my neighbours? In fact, i cant stand my neighbours girlfriend.
No, if you love your neighbor's girlfriend, you would never intend to harm her, which is the whole point. The concept is to love her the way you love yourself. You may not like yourself, but if you hate yourself then there's something wrong with you. Love does not exist simply to be a nice phrase. If extended to everyone, it may become extremely common - like ice cream - but it will never be meaningless.
@ogunitracy So if you love Gaddaffi as much as you love your wife/husband, why not marrying him? Of course, you differentiate between people. You know yourself, that you are talking bullshit. You're a bigot and you know it. Love is a special relationship with a few people and love is differing. I love my "buddies" not in the same way, i love my mum and i love my girlfriend in a different way, than my mother. Please stop talking rhetorical nonsense! You don't know, what love is, my poor fellow.
I'm not saying you should love them in the way you love your parents of marriage partner. There are different kinds of love. I'm simply saying that you should love them. I have not displayed any intolerance to your view, but merely suggested something I think might be better. You are free to not take the suggestion. You love yourself, but not in a sexual way. It's a good idea to love other people in the same way. It solves lots of problems.
@ogunitracy In other words you use the word "love" very inflationary and therefor you make it pretty meaningless. Congratulations, you just proofed my point! Stop using the word "love", when you don't mean it! Of course you don't like Gaddaffi and you certainly don't love him. Case closed! Is it ok for us to kill him? That's another question and the whole "Is it morally right to kill a brutal dictator"-question is as old as humanity itself.
You don't seem to be getting my point so permit me to use an example. In your previous post, you called me a bigot. That was very vocal of you and quite easily offensive. If you loved me the way you love yourself, you would avoid offending me even when your claim is right - gentleness. As far as 'do as you would be done by' goes, it is impossible to practice if you do not first feel a strong moral obligation towards them, which is what loving your neighbor as yourself suggests.
@ogunitracy In short: You complain about words. Brilliant! I do NOT love you! You seem to be a bigot with all your "i love everyone" nonsense. No, you simply don't and that's what makes you a bigot! Did you get the point? And i really don't care, if you feel offended by the truth. Pretending to love everyone, but then in reality not loving everyone, but still claiming that everyone should love everyone, makes you a bigot! That is the truth. You feel offended? I feel offended by your bigotry.
Bigotry is intolerance for someone else's view. I'm not intolerant of your view - simply suggesting - so your accusation doesn't offend me. It might have a few hours earlier but I'm feeling pretty calm right now. I'm sorry if you feel offended. I wasn't trying to offend you.
So, anyway. Do you think you're right in trying to offend me? Let's forget about me for a moment. do you think there could be a justification for intentionally offending someone?
@ogunitracy In german it means some form of an unreflecting religious hypocrisy. It means being sanctimonious and (sometimes) being intolerant too. I'm austrian, so i speak german. Maybe there's a slightly different meaning of this word in german.
I'm not being hypocritical. I really do love you and have no intention of offending you. I'll avoid using the word if you don't agree with my usage of it. But in the end, i do think that that philosophy would make the world a better place.
@ogunitracy So you love Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein, Gaddaffi, Timothy McVeigh, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson etc.? Really? Loving these people would make the world a better place? Really? Come on! Try to be honest to youself. Of course, you don't love them!
Btw.: I think, you're confusing respect with love! Of course we should respect other people! That's not worth a discussion, because it's so obviously true.
No, respect does not imply a moral obligation to do right by the recipient even when the person does not deserve it and even when it costs a lot. Love does.
As for those people, I have never held a conversation of any length with them so even though I should love them in theory, the practice might be difficult. The love is not the indulgent kind so loving someone does not mean loving the things that they do. I can despise their actions - just the same as I hate my actions.
Do you mean that it is impossible or that it is wrong? Because in my opinion, loveing someone doesn't prevent me from giving them a just punishment when they do something that is clearly not loving. My mom did more than just spank me.
Irrational? How? I guess it's difficult to understand until you've experienced it for yourself, but I know no one who has experienced it and described it as irrational. Yes, I'm a Christian. Jews are asked to do the same too.
I love it when he insults everyone :D
He shows in this video both the irrational of believers and the bias of non-believers.
Arielslopa 3 days ago
Sooo....is this satire or not?
TheDrphil07 3 days ago
Incredible as most people that criticize the Bible has never read it. Apple? Evil existing because Eve did what? You never read the Bible, man. You got to read it, before you say something about it.
bobpai2006 6 days ago
@bobpai2006 Fut even FOX NEWS the newscast of bibble waglers said that atheist and agnostics know more about the bibble than christians
007GoldenLion 1 day ago
wait, so was he making fun of religion, or endorsing it?
zieben64 1 week ago
@zieben64
i think he was mocking everyone
TemplarThe2nd 1 week ago
@TemplarThe2nd ahh, so he is just commenting on our culture. I get it now, I think...
zieben64 1 week ago
I like how he conveniently forgets to mention Hitler. So what if Hitler was a Christian and Stalin was an atheist? It just goes to prove that the real reason they committed genocide was that they both had mustaches. Duh.
mtheory85 2 weeks ago
I love when fundamentalist Christian scum put their fairy tails above logic and then to advertise their own religion by attacking their fellow theist brothers
but hay Christianity must be right, it says evil exist because a woman ate a magic apple from a magic tree in a magic forest because an evil talking snake told her too
thats so much smarter than we silly atheists talking about science and evaluation
chineselard 2 weeks ago
@chineselard Can you read? Shows how much you know. No where in the bible does it say it was an apple. It says it was a fruit never says what kind. In any case regardless of the the book of genesis says you can at least you can at least educate yourself before you go bashing something you clearly do not understand or apparently have not bothered read.
jcn35 1 week ago
@jcn35 ow yeah because we all know it makes it sound perfectly logical to say a woman in a magic forest ate a magic FRUIT because an evil talking snake told her
"you can at least you can at least educate yourself" way to own yourself
" have not bothered read" let me guess, your an american?
chineselard 1 week ago
@chineselard You mean the part about everything popping into existence out of nothing? Yes, ANYTHING is more believable than that :-)
And THAT ain't science... that is fairy tails.....
NEXT!!!!
TomorrowsChild77 6 days ago
@TomorrowsChild77 Isn't science a very similar thing, youknow, nothingness making everything? Except I think atheists like it because of the explosion part
MetalSights 3 days ago
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@MetalSights The explosion part?
TomorrowsChild77 2 days ago
@TomorrowsChild77 yes because it makes perfect sense that everything was made by a beard magic man in a nightgown in the sky
chineselard 19 hours ago
60 days of prayer? What takes God so long to start answering? Oh wait, I know. Because 60 days is about how long it would take to rewire your brain into believing something for which, at the end of the day, there is precisely zero evidence for. People can make themselves believe just about anything, evidence be damned.
mtheory85 3 weeks ago
If you guys are going to direct the info towards Hitler as a Christian then it's only fair that I direct your attention towards Stalin or Che, The earlier who actually killed roughly twice as many people than Hitler did.
SteelandSouls15 3 weeks ago
@SteelandSouls15 Stalin and Che were atheist by the way
SteelandSouls15 3 weeks ago
@SteelandSouls15 Che (and Castro for that matter) was a catholic you moron, he just was not the kind of religious jackass that you and Andrew are like
and Stalin was only an atheist for a small time
MuslimRebelRevolte 2 weeks ago
@MuslimRebelRevolte that small time being when he was in power right? And the fact he used it as a propoganda tool. And I'll give you Che. Fault on my part. So what about Kim Jong Il? Pol Pot? Mao Zedong? Benito Mussolini? Oh God especially Mussolini who was a Hitler supporter as well as Anti-Semitic. Napoleon Bonaparte?
SteelandSouls15 2 weeks ago
@SteelandSouls15 in his first 5 years in power he was atheist, but converted back, and when Hitler invaded he said it was a holy war of the Orthodox Communists Vs the Catholic Nazis
Mao was a Buddhist but didn't not think their was a god (you know like all Buddhist) I should know because Im a Maoist
Pol Pot? His policys were capitalist, he just called himself a Maoist because he was scared of being attacked by the many near by communists
Mussolini? He and Hitler sent commies to camps idiot
MuslimRebelRevolte 2 weeks ago
@MuslimRebelRevolte Isn't there a difference between an individual person who happens to be of a belief attacking in the name of that belief vs. that belief actually endorsing their attack?
Ex: If we take your comment at face value, Hitler professed to be Catholic & viewed his regime to be attacking in the name of Catholicism. But did the tenants of Catholicism actually justify such a war?
AstaireDisciple 1 week ago
@MuslimRebelRevolte Even better, with Catholicism in particular, we actually have an official organization that can sanction things in the name of Catholicism. Vis-a-ve, we can actually say whether Catholicism literally said "yea" or "nea" to the Hitler's actions. Happy to say, they did not. In fact, the Pope at the time actively opposed Hitler & faced threat of death from him several times on the issue.
AstaireDisciple 1 week ago
@SteelandSouls15 What matters is what ideology they advocated. Atheism does not imply any specific ideolgy, only excludes those based on the idea of gods for which there is no evidence. The reason people advocate Christianity is its supposed benign nature. Hiter proved it wrong. Atheism can accomodate both good and monstrous regimes, but atheists do not advocate their position because it brings peace, but because it is intellectualy honest at its core.
topperheartramada 1 week ago
I totally agree with Andrew Klavan on this one too. What I find to be funny is that the atheists are always the first to sue for their God given rights of free speech, liberty etc.
billyslo87 1 month ago
This guy's condescending posture is completely dislocated from the fact he owes his advanced western life-style to scientists who stood up to the B.S. of mainstream religious doctrine.
4andronicus 1 month ago
@4andronicus Actually, most scientist before this generation were religious, so stop spewing falsities.
RockoJoe90 4 weeks ago
Although I usually agree with Mr. Klavan, I have witnessed those exact religious people that the "vile media" is describing.
I think they have quite a clear depiction of some of the extreremly religious people.
yotamephmh 1 month ago
@yotamephmh So because there are extremists in a religion the religion as a whole is corrupt? No, islam as a whole is good, so is hindu and christianity. Don't let the minority sway your opinion away from God.
RockoJoe90 4 weeks ago
Judaism / Christianity justifies rape, torture murder, racism, sexism and genocide. Read your bible you lazy fucks, it's all in there.
tadhg964 1 month ago
@tadhg964 Well, the Bible is full of people doing those things, it is a historic document among other things. But did God approve? By that standard, there is still one thing from your list that still stands: genocide. In the Biblical account, God actually *ordered* the Israelites to kill all the men, women, children, and livestock of the Canaanites and burn all their possessions He punished them when they failed to do this completely.
sdgathman 1 month ago
@tadhg964 (continued) I have no problem with God himself wiping out most people on earth (Noah) or in a region (Sodom and Gomorrah) - He is the Creator and would know the cost/benefit. But asking another tribe to do the dirty work? I still don't understand that. Seems ripe for abuse.
sdgathman 1 month ago
@sdgathman "I still don't understand that. Seems ripe for abuse." excellent point (in a sense). Lets assumes for arguments sake there is a god. Why would he need cronies and muscle men? why not do the job himself and prevent ppl from falsely claiming divine permission? Answer: God doesn't need our use middle men and for good reason!
tadhg964 1 month ago
@tadhg964 "God doesn't need our use middle men and for good reason!" God doesn't need middle men, but He likes to let us "help" anyway. My problem is just that genocide (while perfectly acceptable in my mind for God to carry out via volcano or whatever) doesn't seem like a good way for us comparative toddlers to "help" with. The Caananites probably did need wiping out, but not by another tribe. And the Israelites copied many of the sins of the Caananites in the end.
sdgathman 1 month ago
@sdgathman "middle men" by this i mean a means of communication. Think of all the ppl's in history and in modern time who said that they where doing something with god's permission, when they where clearly just crazy, god know that there are people out the that would claim to be his messenger for selfish reason, god is a smart dude this I way god would never use a messenger, because he knows (as you said early) this would be rife for abused. tbc....
tadhg964 1 month ago
@sdgathman Why would god order the killing of innocent infants? Answer: he wouldn't, God is a smart guy, he would know that the child had done nothing wrong and deserved no punishment. God may have created man but God certainly doesn't communicate with man, God doesn't take sides or give hints, the world is what we (man) make of it. If you look at it rationally it quit clear, the question is not "is there a God", its "is there and Interventionist God?" and the answer is clearly no.
tadhg964 1 month ago
yes klavan your right the world will be a better place with more religious bigots killing off those lesser pesky jew.. um.religions, banning of condoms to help speed up that lovely godly punishment of aids on the unbelieving, denial of control for women over their bodys so we can help give birth to billions more babys and eventually outstrip all of earths natural resources so we call all enjoy the delights of over crowding and eventual starvation.
Azz156 1 month ago
@Azz156 Moron.....
Thistlesifter220 1 month ago
@Thistlesifter220 just in case you didn't understand and just typed that as a christian knee jerk reaction, everything i said is true but using klavans satirical sarcastic humor.
Hitler and the Nazis were Catholics and at the time were endorsed by non other then the pope & indirectly nearly caused the extermination of the Jews
the pope tells all Catholics to not use condoms which indirectly helps the spread of aids & the death of millions
lastly with the Christians hatred of abortion.
Azz156 1 month ago
@Azz156 Duh....
Thistlesifter220 1 month ago
@Azz156 If you believe Hitler was Christian, you're a hack. Hitler hated Christianity. He said so himself in private, regardless of what he told the propaganda-addled masses, and he said so in less-private circumstances after he became dictator. Do you even realize the source of the "Hitler was Catholic" myth? A war criminal named Speer who was on trial and wanted to make Hitler more appealing so he'd appear like a duped follower. He never cited anything reliable to back himself up.
canofsand 1 month ago
@canofsand no your a hack, hitler was a catholic & was openly endorsed by Pope Pius XII himself. heres a quote from hitler himself.
"It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter In boundless love as a Christian and as a man"
so keep your christian misinformation to yourself
Azz156 1 month ago
@Azz156 ahahhahaahh you're an idiot if you believe that Hitler made religion illegal he painted your so called peace sign on the catholic churches he destroyed as a sign of the broken cross. fool.
xHippieHunter 1 month ago
@xHippieHunter lol your a twit, i didn't say anything to relate to what your saying
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@Azz156 You can believe whatever you want with your history revisionist twattle. I already pointed out the DOCUMENTED, NONCONTROVERSIAL-AMONG-CREDIBLE-HISTORIANS FACTS about Speer, the war criminal and the Catholic Hitler myth.
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.
"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941.
canofsand 3 weeks ago
@canofsand again it doesnt matter what hitler thought in his personal life he used religion as a tool to manipulate the German people & also the pope if you recall.
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@canofsand i swear it drives you guys insane when you notice religion isn't as good and wonderful as you were taught in school. in principle its a nice idea like communism but in practice it fails miserably.
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@canofsand sure by todays zietgiest Hitler was immoral and couldn't be a christian but in his day that was the normal opinion of most Catholics in central europe. if it wasn't then ww2 wouldnt have happened so indirectly we can blame ww2 solely on religions influence.
Regardless if Hitler was a Christian in his personal life or not, he used it as a tool to motivate the German people to do horrific things in the name of christ,
long story short, jews killed jesus there fore jews are bad.
Azz156 1 month ago
@Azz156 You don't understand anything about Christianity if you think they hate jews. Christianity came from judaism, they are relative religions. Hitler was a fascist who killed a million Catholics as well as six million jews, and he hated all religion, so no, religion cannot be blamed for ww2, it was hostilities flowing over from ww1 that lead to the second war.
RockoJoe90 4 weeks ago
@RockoJoe90 considering everyone was a catholic back then makes your point mute. also if you read what i wrote i said "Regardless if Hitler was a Christian in his personal life or not, he used it as a tool to motivate the German people to do horrific things in the name of christ"
so if catholics didn't hate jews then hitler wouldn't have been able to use them as a scape goat for Germany's problems and there fore hitler properly wouldn't have been able to rise to power.
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@Azz156 Actually, you should know that at that time their was already a huge atheist movement as well as a protestant one that had both taken quite a while before ww2.On that point you are ignorant it seems. Hitler was not religious, saying so does not make it true. Catholics do not hate jews, the reason why populations have used jews as scapegoats time and time again is because they could practice collecting interest on loans while other religions could not. Learn actual history please.
RockoJoe90 3 weeks ago
@RockoJoe90 by huge do u mean a fraction of a percent of the whole population, i'll correct myself then 99.9% of central Europeans at the time were religious since i cannot be absolutely accurate. it wasn't until the second half of last century did non theism start to spread.
Look up Jewish deicide, it was or still is a term catholics use on jews for the death of jesus, hell its still in the bible (Matthew 27:24-25)
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@RockoJoe90 To say Hitler wasn't a catholic is abit misleading since he was raised a catholic & showed strong Christian conviction in his public rallies & because of that it really doesn't matter what he said in his private life. go have a read of some of his speeches & maybe you'll learn some history too...
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@RockoJoe90 lastly before other christians start playing that communism athiest card, a lot of US Presidents were atheists (John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Buchanan & George Washington)
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@Azz156 They were not atheists, they were Deists, meaning that God created the universe and then left it alone.
Hitler was not raised anything. His mother read him old testament, not new. He was never catholic himself. Trying to say that religion caused ww2 is idiotic as I have stated. Stop lying about the past and start worrying about the future.
If we don't do something about where America's heading, we won't be able to have these arguments.
RockoJoe90 3 weeks ago
@RockoJoe90 Cabalistic Christianity, which is Catholic Christianity, and which has prevailed for 1,500 years, has received a mortal wound, of which the monster must finally die. Yet so strong is his constitution, that he may endure for centuries before he expires.
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, July 16, 1814
if he was alive today i would call him a atheist
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@RockoJoe90 I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@RockoJoe90 Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this people in utter honesty and sincerity.
-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 28 July 192
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@RockoJoe90 you can pretend all you want that Hitler wasn't a Christian but history disagrees with you.
Like i said before it doesn't matter what he said in his private life during the war he USED religion to inspire the masses against the jews & to unite Germany for his own ends, so taking this arguement to its logical conclusion if Europe was 100% atheistic then chances are this psychopath wouldn't have risen to power.
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@Azz156 HE USED JEWS AS A SCAPEGOAT, that is all he did with religion, how you don't understand that I have no clue. You are uninformed on this topic, or at best misinformed.
RockoJoe90 3 weeks ago
@RockoJoe90 So you do finally admit that religion had a role to play in WW2, and by the way thanks for quoting me (aka "HE USED JEWS AS A SCAPEGOAT")
also that wasn't all he did with religion since he use strong christian language in all of his rally speeches & won the endorsement of the pope and the catholic church, please read my other comments before you comment.
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@RockoJoe90 so now were talking about the future but you leading us to believe that religion is the answer, if the past is anything to go by then we should dump old ideas like religion in the dust bin of history.
Don't worry i don't think Americas going anywhere but is little concern of mine since i live in Australia
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@Azz156 Its getting abit tiring hearing that because some dictators had similar ideas to alot of people that somehow makes it evil. yes Hitler was a catholic (to say when he lost his faith is abit hard to pin down), yes Stalin & Mao held atheist ideas. The real question is did what they believe motivate them to do these things or were they just psychopaths. like for example Bin Laden was motivated by religion.
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@Azz156 What's not to hate about the murder of unborn babies, anyway?
canofsand 1 month ago
@canofsand bugger off, don't twist my words. would you rather we all die of starvation when the population reaches over 15 billion, the earth can barly manage 8 billion humans (there's only so much farm-able land)
Azz156 1 month ago
@Azz156 I didn't "twist" your words. I took them to their logical conclusion. A conclusion you just verified. So... you're for the murder of innocent unborn children because it's the lesser of two evils, with the greater being an insane alarmist vision of overpopulation? Got it.
canofsand 3 weeks ago
@canofsand so you prefer we all die of famine? Got it.
also its not a alarmist view its reality, theres a good documentary about this made by David Attenborough if your interested.
Azz156 3 weeks ago
@canofsand Now that i think about it i think you have lured me into one of those famous right wing Christian traps. i didn't say i am for abortion or against it i was just saying how the church wants to ban condoms and abortion which will lead to over population. id prefer we just use more condoms to prevent it getting to the abortion stage and solving both problems at once. but then again catholics consider condoms to be a form of abortion so i don't know.
Azz156 3 weeks ago
I love watching this guy! I haven't laughed this hard in a while... hahaha
misterbarbister 1 month ago
thelossbloodlock the supernatural being created itself. Its something we can't understand yet, but we must have faith because we know that He is there and He says in the Bible that He has always been there. "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."
-C. S. Lewis
FrancesKay1 1 month ago
Come on atheists how many videos on youtube make fun of Christianity? If you can't take it don't dish it.
tharemedybeats 2 months ago
I frankly couldnt give a damn about what religion someone wants to believe in as long as they dont bother me with it
moroney1 2 months ago
WARNING to ATHEISTS:
Writing out about your disbelief in God in this chat forum, will bring you countless replies by Christians such as me, babbling about facts about your SPECULATIVE facts, until you are driven crazy and realize there is no way to disprove theism (or vice versa).
Anyways please just be mindful Christians want you to join their club! ...and some times cult...(depending on what branch of Christianity hehe).
LampPlaceThing 2 months ago
1:08 "and so are rapidly being replaced by fundamentalists crazies with absurd beards, who dress there women like the spirit of Christmas yet to come...."
LOL [laugh] It's funny because it's true! Thumbs up if you find the statement crude but potentially true!
LampPlaceThing 2 months ago 2
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Boredpersons55 3 months ago in playlist Andrew Klavan
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i hate god
trippyness 3 months ago
god is gay
trippyness 3 months ago
god sucks
trippyness 3 months ago
haha YES! the world does make sense when you're a Christian, seriously guys, check it out! Call (aka pray) to God in solitude today and everyday and your life will clear up... no joke!
this is too funny. love you Klavan!!
FrancesKay1 3 months ago
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Texfield91 4 months ago
the fact remains that religion is man made fairy tales and anthropomorphic god a fiction. It causes more harm than good (islam is always easiest example). The real (though uncomfortable to mention) enemy of falling birth rates in the west has been feminism.
hieraxhideo 4 months ago
the biggest threat to religion is other religions lol
armymedic999 4 months ago
God, is Andrew Klavan funny. Obama has supplanted God as the One. Because we are the ones we have been waiting for, change you can believe in, yes we can. I have already noticed the decrease in global warming, the decrease in radical Muslim extremism and an economic rebirth around the world. Plus, Club Gitmo is even still open so that radical Islamists have a nice place to stay.
ALTERED13TH 4 months ago
Dammit, most everything else you say makes sense, why do you subscribe to these anachronistic, demonstrably unprovable bronze age beliefs, Klavan?
eldrewto55 5 months ago
@eldrewto55 If you were paying attention, you would know why. :P
Saidenz 4 months ago
@Saidenz I know what he said. "It'll make you feel better, It'll help society, It'll satisfy your desire for answers for this mysterious cosmos. Just have faith, BELIEVE, and it shall come to you."
None of those things are proofs for the existence of a god. They are just reasons why faith may be good for you. I don't believe things just because it feels good, I believe things based on if they are shown to be true or not.
Believing lies because they feel good is more of a liberal tendency.
eldrewto55 4 months ago
@eldrewto55 I like your logic (especially your last sentence - good point), but the thing is, what he is saying is true. Christians don't believe in fairytales and stuff just because it makes them feel good, but because it is the truth and we know by our history, and even scientific fact.... (continued)
FrancesKay1 3 months ago
@eldrewto55 ...How can a universe be there without some powerful, intelligent being to make it so? Things don't just pop up out of nowhere, especially not if something isn't there first to make it happen. If you ask me I think that atheists are far more radical considering that they believe that the Universe was created by absolutely nothing.
FrancesKay1 3 months ago
@FrancesKay1 I didn't say the universe was conceived from nothing. I don't know how the universe came about into being. But scientists are using actual math instead of some old book to find out.
All I do know is that christians, muslims, buddhists, hindus, roman polytheists, etc etc don't have any compelling evidence for their particular case.
I also don't see how something as complex as a universe-creating deity doesn't itself need some sort of supernatural reason as to why it exists.
eldrewto55 3 months ago
@eldrewto55 Hawkings said sometime ago that the math will never figure it out.
To deduce all religion to ancient greek polytheism is meaningless argumentative rhetoric. I deduce your mother to a prostitute because she shares some characteristics with thai street hookers but that would be ridiculous woudn't it?
Your third statement is dawkins' who created the creator statement reworded and its self defeating when you're intellectually honest with yourself.
Vlaxitov 3 months ago
@Vlaxitov Maybe, maybe not. The point is that I don't believe things until there is evidence. The big bang has some evidence under it's belt, so I mostly believe in it. I keep abreast of scientific debate nonetheless, because I realize new evidence could come to light that disproves previous theories. All you're doing is saying that because the evidence one way isn't perfect, then your totally unproven opinion must be true by default.
eldrewto55 3 months ago
@Vlaxitov Cont..... I can actually see my mother and I can see a thai streetwalker, so your crass metaphor does little good. My point with that is those are all different ways a person can think the universe was created and currently works, and they all try to say that because science hasn't got all the answers right now, than they must be right by default. And they say this without evidence of their own.
It's self-defeating because the buck has to stop somewhere, eh? But why your buck?
eldrewto55 3 months ago
@eldrewto55 What piece of solid evidence do you have supporting the big bang? What can you put in my hands that would convince any sane person outside of books filled with other mens fallable opinions. People don't say science doesen't have the answer now, our best scientific minds say we will never find the answer. Why don't you go and actually read into it. The rest of what you said was the classic "I know its wrong now but have faith that we will find the truth." We've all heard that before..
Vlaxitov 3 months ago
@Vlaxitov You still haven't offered the slightest evidence as to why not just any god, but YOUR god created the universe.
If the big bang were disproved tomorrow, why should your opinion be the only other default? All the other religions claim they are right because we haven't explained the origin of the universe. Do you subscribe to all of those other religions too?
See, I know that the big bang is a little shaky. But you have NOTHING.
"Why your buck?"
eldrewto55 3 months ago
@eldrewto55
Interested in evidence? Look for it yourself! And I don't mean that disrespectfully. You won't be disappointed. Youtube comments are hardly a place to completely clear such questions. The truth is out there for you to find, if only you'd look. The creation itself is evidence of God, in that a marvelous design like the universe needs an intelligent designer. Go ahead and give it a search, rather than hold on to that sinking theory. Good luck. :)
DraughtOfPeace 3 months ago
@FrancesKay1 Well it wasnt nothing that the Big Bang came out of ( if the Big Bang is true), we dont have a word to describe the physicality of what preceeded the big bang, it wasnt nothing as we would normally use the term, it was more like a vacuum. And since we have viewed sub-atomic particles coming out of nothing, we can postulate the same for the singularity of the Big Banh Theory
moroney1 2 months ago
@eldrewto55 If you believe Klavan is a wise man, then shouldn't you look into his belief in Christianity? Maybe he is right about this just as he is right about everything else. After all, he uses logic and reason. And btw, Christianity is a religon of history. The truths taught 2000 years ago by Jesus have been passed on and recorded in letters which today make up the Bible.
FrancesKay1 2 months ago
eldrewto55 And God is provable by science. There is no way everything can come into being out of absolutely nothing without some supernatural intelligent being. You think all THIS happened on its own. Look around you, Look up at the stars. AND God reveals Himself to us all the time you just have to keep your eyes open to it
FrancesKay1 2 months ago
@FrancesKay1 But... Who then created the supernatural intelligent being?
thelossbloodlock 1 month ago
It seems that a lot of atheists think that because your religious means you look to god instead of logic and reason. But where does that come from anyway . . .
TheComp462 5 months ago
I wish this guy would drop dead.
NewWorldAhead 5 months ago
@NewWorldAhead Ah, the atheistic tolerance in its full bloom. How predictable.
Dodo251 5 months ago
@Dodo251
Nope, wrong buddy. I'm agnostic, not atheist. Put brain in motion before moving mouth. You don't know there is a God either. And if you do, tell him I'd like to chat LOLOL
DownrightUprightShow 5 months ago
@DownrightUprightShow Who the fuck asked you anything?
Dodo251 5 months ago
@Dodo251
So what if I were, big deal. Separation of church and state.
NewWorldAhead 5 months ago
And sure, in the countrys with high percentage of atheist are indeed very violent and poor and miserable, countrys like Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Germany, oposed to those coutrys with almost no atheist like Romania, Grece, Bulgaria wich have high standard of life. And why shouldn't be so? In Romania we are building a 400 milion euro Cathedral so that God will give health care to the people because hospitals are closed.
TheEuunul 5 months ago
@TheEuunul I don't know about Romania, but I can tell you with first-hand experience that up till about a decade back, the People's Republic of China actively persecuted theists because they were officially atheist. In recent years, they have begun toning down (a little bit only; church leaders are still arrested quite frequently) because they are beginning to abandon their communist principles.
synal 5 months ago
@synal
In your own words: "they have begun toning down because they are beginning to abandon their communist principles." Do you see? Not becouse they are christians or hindu or muslism or budhist, they are persecuted becouse they are disidents. I am an atheist but because my anti-comunist worldview I would be persecuted to in China.
TheEuunul 5 months ago
@TheEuunul Not really, man. I said that they were persecuted because the communists were officially atheist. Their position is one of State Atheism. Even today, despite relaxing religious persecution, membership into the Communist Party will be denied if you are a believer.
synal 5 months ago
Only verry supid people believe that comunist were atheist, men with some brain know that most of the comunists were christians in Rusia and also in my country, Romania. And I could prove with my claim with facts: in Romania in 1989 there was almost 4 million PCR members without counting members of youth organisation of PCR- UTC but at 1992 census only 34000 people declared themseve atheist. 34000 atheist made only 0,5% from the total of PCR members.
TheEuunul 5 months ago
Yeah, because this is the main objective of religion: to put everyone in the pace of society. This is done by absurd or no logic at all, in exchange for the feeling of protection and false peace. True peace lies in reason, and is simply absurd to think that the atheist is unhappy or miserable, just because he found happiness and confort in another place: Truth.
gabriellando 5 months ago
@gabriellando so we're supposed to believe that such a complex universe just formed because of a massive explosion caused by nothing? for believers, truth and reason come from God, and truth is that people (theist or atheist) do not know everything there is to know about the world and life, and to totally rule out even the possibility that there is a god is "absurd"
Texfield91 4 months ago
I like most of the stuff Andrew says, but the video he did here just plain sucks. It honestly surprised me to find out that he's a religious man , because most of what he says is very logical. It's unfortunate.
MrBrational 5 months ago
I practiced the God in 12,045 days plan, and ended up finding science, rationality, and atheism. So for me the plan worked. An exhaustive search for god lead me to reality. Ever since, I've lead a life free of religious bigotry, fear, and dogma and found a life abundant in the meaning and value I put on it myself. I've discovered the wonders of science and human achievement and the enriching value of higher education. I've learned to value the human mind and all it is capable of discovering.
GermanChocolateCake 6 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake
And religion does not support science and rationality?
ogunitracy 5 months ago
@ogunitracy Oh to be sure there are many with religious beliefs who do important work for science, but at the core any supernatural claim without supporting evidence and facts is non-scientific. However, I can most certainly respect actual scientific inquiry into what might otherwise be unsubstantiated supernatural claims. For instance if someone uses actual scientific methodology to investigate ghost claims, and shares any factual findings on the subject, I can support that as valid inquiry.
GermanChocolateCake 5 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake
What do you think about the historical method of investigating claims? That's how to determine if an event in the past actually happened. It's used to prove Jesus' existence that he performed miracles and that he resurrected.
ogunitracy 5 months ago
"Faith is necessary for the survival of civilization..."
An interesting hypothesis. What research has been done to support this hypothesis?
GermanChocolateCake 6 months ago 2
@GermanChocolateCake Communist China, Russia, etc :) plus he just means...our civilization as in (if i am getting this correctly) the non Muslims in the world...tad racist....but has a point
kevinjjfr 6 months ago
@kevinjjfr Um what? How has faith preserved Communist China, Russia, etc.? And the history of muslim nations tend to demonstrate an inability to maintain any lasting peace. War is endemic to their history.
Nations endure through the hard work and cooperation of their people. I can't think of any demonstrable instance of faith being the decisive factor.
Your post made little sense to me.
By the way, muslims are not a race, they are a religion/ideology of many peoples from many races.
GermanChocolateCake 6 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake there was no faith in China and Russian, that is my point.
the middle east being at war has nothing to do with their religions, atheist and theist will both go to war if their governments lie to them enough.
faith does keep people together, it helps them see the spark of the divine in every human, seeing that we are all one.
as Klavan was saying that immigrants were turning the world Muslim (implying all Arabs are Muslim) i do think the term can be used.
kevinjjfr 6 months ago
@kevinjjfr If you seriously think that the middle east has not seen wars of faith, then you seriously need to do some actual studying of the regions history. You also seem to be terribly naive about some of the core tenets of islam. Perhaps you should google the history of islam.
Not all muslims are arabs thus calling muslims a race is flawed.
Additionally, some of us do not believe in divine sparks, and yet have no problem forming and functioning within civilizations and groups peacefully.
GermanChocolateCake 6 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake war has nothing to do with religion, there will always be war, if not in the name of religion then in the name of something else. I have a major in history. thanks.
i was saying hes calling all the Arab immigrant Islamic is raciest, because hes assuming Arab = Muslim.
those groups that have no god go threw what happens in china and USSR. You being happy or not, i don't care, civilization needs god to stay stable, or it deteriorates quickly (3 generation or so it starts)
kevinjjfr 6 months ago
@kevinjjfr That's quite an hypothesis you have there. It seems to presume both the existence of a god, and the need for that god in order for civilizations to survive.
Do you have any facts to support that hypothesis? We'll need at least some evidence of a god, and much more evidence to link said being to the prosperity of human cultures.
GermanChocolateCake 5 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake one think i can prove is that cultures that have hell are less corrupt.
look it up " cultures that have hell are less corrupt. " should get you a page or two, cracked the first result have a interesting articular actually.
also please note i said STABLE. Not survive. (it will simply survive in a less stable, more immoral form)
kevinjjfr 5 months ago
104 people tried to get their money back.
ThatHaloGuy117 6 months ago
man this guy is a prick
dwarf350bhp 6 months ago
@dwarf350bhp
come on, you don't even know him.
ogunitracy 6 months ago
@dwarf350bhp Truth hurts
tharemedybeats 2 months ago
@tharemedybeats wht are u talking about...>?
dwarf350bhp 2 months ago
@thatamazinggeek Well, then, you don't know My version of it.
I'm gonna stop right here, cause there's no way of solving this conversation so that we both think alike.
moviescout 6 months ago
@thatamazinggeek
And once again, you have proven that you do not know what Christianity is actually about.
Heaven is the place where we find Peace of mind after death. What exactly heaven looks like, we cannot tell. Since every person on the earth have a different opinion on what brings Inner Peace, heaven can't really be a specific place where you do specific things, right?
You seem to be narrow minded, My friend. You believe whatever you wan, I respect you anyway. Why can't you do the same?
moviescout 6 months ago
@thatamazinggeek
Then why do you question it? If I'm scared of death, will you not let me believe that God will bring me peace in his kingdom of heaven? Or are you of the kind who believes you can prove me wrong?
moviescout 6 months ago
@thatamazinggeek
Ah, you're one of those people.
My friend, you have alone put together a view on Christianity based on spare parts and scrap metal. What you Think i believe, and what i believe, are two different things. Talk to a preacher or a cleric, and they will make you understand what religion is about, and Then, you can decide weather you believe in it or not, and question my belief.
moviescout 6 months ago
@thatamazinggeek You do not understand the religion, my friend. We do not believe in an imaginary friend who grants us wishes. We believe in that When we die, God will embrace us and bring us peace, and we believe that God wants us to show love and respect to all others. God is no wizard, but a beacon of light to guide us in dark times such as these.
If you think of Peace, Love, Respect and understanding as Delusions, I feel sorry for you.
moviescout 6 months ago
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The spirit has left me...
bruiserworm 6 months ago
I've been calling God for a long time but he never picks up the phone LOL.
NewWorldAhead 6 months ago
fuck you, god doesn't exist and never has.
mrvendetor 6 months ago
amazing
carparound 6 months ago
Hey, let's leave beards out of this.
righteous0warrior 6 months ago
Find god in 60 days.
Wait for me to make my video on finding Unicorns in 20 days, the Lochness monster, chupacabra, and the time I had coffee with big foot.
TheCaliCapitalist 6 months ago
what us evil secularists look down on is not all religious people, but assholes who have the nerve to call the lives of people they they've never met "meaningless" because those people don't talk to an invisible man for 10 minutes a day. (3:15)
smashleedunn 7 months ago
@smashleedunn well, then I guess you haven't thought Nietzsche through then....
INdiverCT 6 months ago
@INdiverCT god is dead...and organized religion killed him.
smashleedunn 6 months ago
Unfortunately, Klavan falls into the common misconception that all atheists are liberals. That is no more true than asserting all christians are conservatives.
FlyingPinkUnicorn 7 months ago
@FlyingPinkUnicorn Thoug most are
landofthebravefull 6 months ago
Interesting how the atheists are so upset. Why? If you don't believe in God, or what he's making a spoof on Only on TV ads, then it shouldn't bother you.
God is good.
tomax7 7 months ago 12
@tomax7 God is imaginary.
FlyingPinkUnicorn 7 months ago
One of your vids is named: "Liberalism Exposed: Beyond the Elitist, Preening America-Hating Stereotypes"... so it's ok to stereotype Atheists as liberal, self and others hating, superior feeling, never ever children having morons, who just cant ever be happy at all?!
... and stop attacking reason and science as they were bad!
I really like almost anything what you say, but your hate of atheists isn't very kind and christian! Maybe one time you think about that. I'm an conservative atheist.
HeilLoki 7 months ago
@HeilLoki
"I really like almost anything what you say, but your hate of atheists isn't very kind and christian! "
Are you trying to suggest that Christians have some sort of higher moral standard than atheists?
ogunitracy 7 months ago
@ogunitracy Nope! I should've quoted the word "christian", because i meant it sarcastic.
HeilLoki 7 months ago
@HeilLoki
Good. I think that everyone should love their neighbours as themselves. Don't you?
ogunitracy 7 months ago
@ogunitracy No. That's just a ridiculous idea anyways and would turn the word "love" into a meaningless phrase. I love my family and close friends. I was in love with my ex girlfriend and still like her. Why should I love my neighbours? In fact, i cant stand my neighbours girlfriend.
HeilLoki 7 months ago
@HeilLoki
No, if you love your neighbor's girlfriend, you would never intend to harm her, which is the whole point. The concept is to love her the way you love yourself. You may not like yourself, but if you hate yourself then there's something wrong with you. Love does not exist simply to be a nice phrase. If extended to everyone, it may become extremely common - like ice cream - but it will never be meaningless.
ogunitracy 7 months ago
@ogunitracy So if you love Gaddaffi as much as you love your wife/husband, why not marrying him? Of course, you differentiate between people. You know yourself, that you are talking bullshit. You're a bigot and you know it. Love is a special relationship with a few people and love is differing. I love my "buddies" not in the same way, i love my mum and i love my girlfriend in a different way, than my mother. Please stop talking rhetorical nonsense! You don't know, what love is, my poor fellow.
HeilLoki 7 months ago
@HeilLoki
I'm not saying you should love them in the way you love your parents of marriage partner. There are different kinds of love. I'm simply saying that you should love them. I have not displayed any intolerance to your view, but merely suggested something I think might be better. You are free to not take the suggestion. You love yourself, but not in a sexual way. It's a good idea to love other people in the same way. It solves lots of problems.
ogunitracy 7 months ago
@ogunitracy In other words you use the word "love" very inflationary and therefor you make it pretty meaningless. Congratulations, you just proofed my point! Stop using the word "love", when you don't mean it! Of course you don't like Gaddaffi and you certainly don't love him. Case closed! Is it ok for us to kill him? That's another question and the whole "Is it morally right to kill a brutal dictator"-question is as old as humanity itself.
HeilLoki 7 months ago
@HeilLoki
You don't seem to be getting my point so permit me to use an example. In your previous post, you called me a bigot. That was very vocal of you and quite easily offensive. If you loved me the way you love yourself, you would avoid offending me even when your claim is right - gentleness. As far as 'do as you would be done by' goes, it is impossible to practice if you do not first feel a strong moral obligation towards them, which is what loving your neighbor as yourself suggests.
ogunitracy 7 months ago
@ogunitracy In short: You complain about words. Brilliant! I do NOT love you! You seem to be a bigot with all your "i love everyone" nonsense. No, you simply don't and that's what makes you a bigot! Did you get the point? And i really don't care, if you feel offended by the truth. Pretending to love everyone, but then in reality not loving everyone, but still claiming that everyone should love everyone, makes you a bigot! That is the truth. You feel offended? I feel offended by your bigotry.
HeilLoki 7 months ago
@HeilLoki
Bigotry is intolerance for someone else's view. I'm not intolerant of your view - simply suggesting - so your accusation doesn't offend me. It might have a few hours earlier but I'm feeling pretty calm right now. I'm sorry if you feel offended. I wasn't trying to offend you.
So, anyway. Do you think you're right in trying to offend me? Let's forget about me for a moment. do you think there could be a justification for intentionally offending someone?
ogunitracy 7 months ago
@ogunitracy In german it means some form of an unreflecting religious hypocrisy. It means being sanctimonious and (sometimes) being intolerant too. I'm austrian, so i speak german. Maybe there's a slightly different meaning of this word in german.
HeilLoki 7 months ago
@HeilLoki
I'm not being hypocritical. I really do love you and have no intention of offending you. I'll avoid using the word if you don't agree with my usage of it. But in the end, i do think that that philosophy would make the world a better place.
ogunitracy 7 months ago
@ogunitracy So you love Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein, Gaddaffi, Timothy McVeigh, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson etc.? Really? Loving these people would make the world a better place? Really? Come on! Try to be honest to youself. Of course, you don't love them!
Btw.: I think, you're confusing respect with love! Of course we should respect other people! That's not worth a discussion, because it's so obviously true.
HeilLoki 7 months ago
@HeilLoki
No, respect does not imply a moral obligation to do right by the recipient even when the person does not deserve it and even when it costs a lot. Love does.
As for those people, I have never held a conversation of any length with them so even though I should love them in theory, the practice might be difficult. The love is not the indulgent kind so loving someone does not mean loving the things that they do. I can despise their actions - just the same as I hate my actions.
ogunitracy 7 months ago
@ogunitracy That's the kind of unworldly talk i expected. In fact, I expected you to say EXACTLY, what you just said. Good luck, have fun.
HeilLoki 7 months ago
@HeilLoki
Do you mean that it is impossible or that it is wrong? Because in my opinion, loveing someone doesn't prevent me from giving them a just punishment when they do something that is clearly not loving. My mom did more than just spank me.
ogunitracy 7 months ago
@ogunitracy It's irrational. Let me guess: You are a devout christian!?
HeilLoki 7 months ago
@HeilLoki
Irrational? How? I guess it's difficult to understand until you've experienced it for yourself, but I know no one who has experienced it and described it as irrational. Yes, I'm a Christian. Jews are asked to do the same too.
ogunitracy 7 months ago
@ogunitracy What you mean by "it"? I know how love feels like.
Irrational... just like i told you. Look it up in the dictonary. This time I checked: It's the same meaning in english/german.
HeilLoki 7 months ago