it is, in a certain way, very very very beautiful. i wouldn't listen to it on my ipod while jogging but on the other hand i don't think that this is it's purpose...
it's some kind of sonic landscape.. i don't really get it, even Kraftwerk is more accessable than morton subotnick :P
but i think he deserves mad respect for his talent and the detailed work you can hear in this piece.
if you think this is not music, then you are not on the same level of thinking as the creator. im not saying i am, but you have to step inside of someone else's mind before you can judge what is and what is not
@nightskytube, as a computer programmer and a musician, i can say that you don't know what you're talking about. the synthesizer is just the newest instrument we've invented - no more, no less. every instrument is unique and can do things no other instrument can do. give bach a harpsichord and he'll give you amazing works of complex harmony - because that's what the harpsichord is best at. if bach had been given a synthesizer, maybe he would have sounded like morton subotnick.
nightskytube, as a computer programmer and a musician, i can say that you don't know what you're talking about. the synthesizer is just the newest instrument we've invented - no more, no less. every instrument is unique and can do things no other instrument can do. give bach a harpsichord and he'll give you amazing works of complex harmony - because that's what the harpsichord is best at. if bach had been given a synthesizer, maybe he would have sounded like morton subotnick.
I don't see why there's a need for some to claim that electronic music or acoustic music is better, or more emotional than the other. There's room for both, and for hybridization of the two. They both take skill/talent, albeit sometimes a different skill set, and different talents. In response to one poster's comment that "one can just go buy the synths to create this". That's like saying you can buy maya and create astounding 3d animations just by pressing a button. That's absurd.
@Voliko1 Subotnick represents a time when electronic music was a free form art, before it was co-opted by dance halls. It should open up your imagination.
@nightskytube I think that pop culture has co-opted it into predictable and mundane forms, but there is still a tremendous amount of innovation and experimentation going on outside of pop-culture. It's more often seen in galleries and theaters and small venues, and most people don't seem to appreciate it or even know about it, which is kind of nice... you can almost always get a seat.
Mention should be made that the full composition is about 40 minutes long, covering both sides of the album. I listened to this incessantly during my college years, much to the consternation of my neighbors, who no doubt wondered just what the hell was going on in my house at two in the morning.
Thanks for posting this. I must go see if it's available on CD.
...we walked into the trees afraid, letting our syllables be soft for fear of waking the rooks, coming noiselessly into a world of wings and cries---using jumpers for goalposts, the sound of three hands' clapping overlapping,at the edges where the debris is... am I close?
Standard notation not being an option, composers were left the freedom of developing their own notations. As far as the sounds, patch sheets would cover this - a block diagram showing what was connected to what and the significant control settings for each section (or module) of the instrument. As far as notating the compositional elements of the body of work, visual notes and/or graphic representations usually sufficed. Have a look at Cardew's Treatise for an example.
The problem with standard notation in regard to electronic music is that media doesn't deal with the fixed timbres associated with conventional instrumentation. A clarinet is a clarinet and so on. A synthesizer left ultimate control of all the parameters of sound - freq, duration, timbre, amplitude and spacial location up to the creator and standard notation doesn't account for that.
@MuzikJunkyAES - bravo for thinking outside of the box!. I give a lecture about this very topic. If you really want to get ill, read the Webster's definition of music. Completely disses half the man-made music of the world, not to mention bird and whale song....and try to to convince me those aren't a communication of emotion.
This photo was taken 1972 after it was later installed in the CalArts Studio B-303 where it was used by faculty and students up until about 1984-6. Subsequent electronic works produced by him after this (Four Butterflies, Until Spring and Sky of Cloudless Sulfur) all incorporating the butterfly metaphor were also produced on a Buchla 200 which was his own and had components from earlier generation Buchla instruments namely the 101 Dodecca module. I hope this helps!
Hooray! My favorite Subotnick piece; for years I hoped for this and UNTIL SPRING to make it to CD, and eventually they were released TOGETHER, to my great delight. Now, if someone would do FOUR BUTTERFLIES the same favour...
This piece is brilliant. The placement and use of the sounds makes it interesting and captivating to listen to, and that in itself takes a certain degree of genius. It may not have specific notes or be anything like Vivaldi or Bach, but it has a definite pattern and purpose for the sounds that take the listener on a journey and I think that's important in any musical piece.
Though it definitely gives me far less pleasure and emotional satisfaction to listen to subotnick over beethoven. There is definitely a place for it in the colour-wheel of music though!
It HAS chords & melodies, & it gives me a lot of PLEASURE ! As well as classical, blues, jazz Ellington's music would be unintelligible noise to a Middle Age monk. It is a music with much theory, interesting concepts. I have been studying electroacoustic composing in an Academy for four years and one can spend a few lifes in it. Discover books by Pierre Schaeffer, Michel Chion, François Bayle, discover Xenakis, Chowning, Parmegiani, Beatriz Ferreyra, Stockhausen, Bayle and hundred others.
ok, sure, if you want to be technical, an argument can be made that every single pitched sound can be broken down and analyzed as a chord :) I just meant that there are no chords serving a function in any perceivable tonal harmony
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I can't belive how empty and silly the people are if it comes to defending their weaknesses. This is a great example, including this shit music. Please someone determine what do the "joy" means, and how did he found it in this music? I tell you a secret- No way! The soul has it's rules and the more predictable is the will for fulfilling the expectations the more joy the piece brings. This music is just a random something. I'd NEVER release such myself.Only better in every way!
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My,friend!Is there something VERY wrong to you,I have to tell!Even if you've thaught it all, you don't know anything about the nature of the music and about the "soul"I must admit, even if you don't consider it about yourself.Firstly:The names you've mentioned(and which I know),were almost never made music,and never made anything what has anything in relation to the joy.I know all the works of Stock.but he is an amatheur,beginner,idiot.I'd NEVER make such bad music as they did..
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Then:What brings the most pleasure to you?Could you compare these names, and this piece to that?Then you may regret that you miss something.Why don't we take J-M Jarre: Oxygene or Kraftwerk-Computer World as an example, or Vivaldi-4 seasons,Bach-toccata and fuge in d-mol?? Are you sure your names are able to bring similar quality,pleasure, not mentioning the necessarily genious content of something which is misterious from"above".Ferreyra, a woman.. I have to laugh...
Just because it doesn't have melody, chords or rhythm does not mean it isn't music. Keeping to the notion that all music must have certain qualities will only prevent you from enjoying entire genres of music.
You don't know geniousness means, I'm sorry! Simple: If I don't find him genious, then he is dabateable is it... and I have to tell his work is very far from geniousness. A genius won't experiment - just to tell you about a secret of it all.
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Good saying but doesn't fit here. If you think others are dull-I agree. If you think that Iam,(just because I disagree with you)-Iam far from being dull. Please undertstand:genious don't experiment. He DOES it or he knows that it doesn't worth doing it and does (did)it in his head virtually and it's satisfactory for him.What you can hear from a genious's output is ALWAYS the result and NEVER the experimenting. That's a way to tell the difference, and that's how I mean it all.
Anyway,would one be able to tell what does experimenting means? If one creates,in which second can the experimenting be captured and from where do the planned intentions starts working.The creation is a misterious thing, mostly for the creator.The experimenting is not an act is a state of mind,an intention for seeking.The one who knows what do he want to do,he will do it even if his creative-process doesn't look different from that of the experimenter.The difference is in the mind!
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Morton isn't a jewish name? Hm. I doubt if there were any genious were existed among the jews.The only name I have to mention is Otto Weininger who was a psichologist and he was the cruelest offender of the jew-metaphicics(altough he was half-jewish). Please read: Geschleckt und charakter (English: Sex and character). He will inform you about the criteria of geniousness if my definition won't count.Then one may talk about the geniousness...
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Belive me, I could describe what takes one to be genious. I'd say ca. something like 10-15 rule. Such rules can be told. I'm able to tell it. Not because I can say about myself as a genious, but just because I have a massive relationship with being that. That's why I sensitive about it. Yes,you never mentioned he is Jewish. The name, his ever-seeking intentions and his will of expressing himself makes me feel like he is it.
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Hey man!I proclame:The geniousness has NOTHING to do to the art. There are genial work of art but the creators are not geniouses. Just take Bach as an example:he was an asshole as a private person,and so do the other artists are as a human-creature from the wiev of the wholeless-ness.Simply because geniousness is nothing but wholeless-ness. I have never met artist even close to it and never met anybody else.Genius must be found somewhere else. Very hidden.
Well,OK, but till now I don't know which terminology shall I use to exclude pieces from the too large stack of music. Music may be without those terminology, but not without a systematic order of fulfilling the expectations related to the next second. If it stays random, then it's not music but a tonal experimental. This piece is absolutely random no-one will ever enjoy it like say, Vivaldi. And if so, then we can place this music to more to the un-enjoyable music scale
Then I advice you to listen a white or a pink noise in a traffic all the day and I'm curios how will you enjoy it! Then we can debate about the subjectiveness. OK, I must admit the things are subjective, but then we have to examine the thing we call "subjectum"! In that point that much defended subjectum may bleed away belive me! I think yours too..
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Please don't call this music! This is an acustical experiment. Nothing more. There's no melody, nor chords, nor rhythm. How one can call it music? The soul has its own rules. It's easy to fulfill it but this track doesn't eeven approaches it. I'd call this shit if it wasn't something early stuff altough I have some wonderful tunes from the 50's: Kid Baltan - Song of the second moon for example. That's music and experimental lso.
@roncstelep Who said that all music had to be tonal and pretty? I think this is far more gorgeous than anything produced on an acoustic instrument! Peace.
@MuzikJunkyAES Far more gorgeous than ANYTHING produced on an acoustic instrument? So, you've got Beethoven's 3rd Symphony or this, and you take this to the desert island? You save this, and consign Mozart's Magic Flute to fire, given the choice? You'd give away your last copy of Kind of Blue, never to hear it again, if it could save this piece in your collection?
My friend, if you buy all the synths, you can program this stuff yourself. Granted, Subotnick is a trailblazer, with taste.
@MuzikJunkyAES It's more than just about range of EQ and tone flexibility. Those are nice things, but there's also range of emotion and range of intellect. Compare to Brahms' 2nd Piano Concerto, Debussy's La Mer, or Chopin's 2nd Ballad. Much more complicated and yet at the same time much more emotional. Human interaction is a very complicated process. Twiddling knobs isn't up to the complete task.
@nightskytube@nightskytube I completely disagree. There are plenty of electronic works that have the range of emotion and intellect that are as complex as the works you mention. You saying what you saying is like saying that literary science-fiction doesn't have the same range of of complexity and emotion as regular literary fiction. Writers such as Kim Stanley Robinson and Octavia Butler deal with Stories, themes, and emotions just as complex as writers such as Alice Munro and Saul Bellow--
@MuzikJunkyAES No, I'm saying that the language of this kind of computerized music is not sufficiently evolved to convey the detailed thought that the works I've mentioned, as examples, are. Since you're hunting for analogies, I'll compare something a computer programming language to an evolved spoken language, such as English for example. A great writer who uses the English language is going to be able move a lot more ideas with subtlety than someone who is using Ruby on Rails.
@PANTERTALLICA Music is the organising of sound and "silence", so yes, by this definition, this is music. Maybe not by yours. But I don't know what that is.
this is not music. it's just sound.
RareMusicAtAll 2 days ago
it is, in a certain way, very very very beautiful. i wouldn't listen to it on my ipod while jogging but on the other hand i don't think that this is it's purpose...
it's some kind of sonic landscape.. i don't really get it, even Kraftwerk is more accessable than morton subotnick :P
but i think he deserves mad respect for his talent and the detailed work you can hear in this piece.
elefantkaputt 2 months ago
Sounds like someone underwater drowning.
jdumes525 4 months ago
@PANTERTALLICA
I'm very big fan of Metallica, me too.
But of it, too.
This is not music. This is not noise.
This is SOUND.
And it's fabulous !
nothingtruc 4 months ago
Genius !!!
MEYOKOillustrations 5 months ago
From the series: Tragedies from postmodernism
MrGuaca 6 months ago
@MrGuaca agreed.
RareMusicAtAll 2 days ago
Sorry, but this actually hurts my ears. I can't even listen to it all.
stryker1999 7 months ago
400 years from now this will be the radio top 40; sneak preview?
realself1 7 months ago
Whoa! I feel like a little ant in the jungle having my non human ant senses flare.
rabbits4002 7 months ago
if you think this is not music, then you are not on the same level of thinking as the creator. im not saying i am, but you have to step inside of someone else's mind before you can judge what is and what is not
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@nightskytube, as a computer programmer and a musician, i can say that you don't know what you're talking about. the synthesizer is just the newest instrument we've invented - no more, no less. every instrument is unique and can do things no other instrument can do. give bach a harpsichord and he'll give you amazing works of complex harmony - because that's what the harpsichord is best at. if bach had been given a synthesizer, maybe he would have sounded like morton subotnick.
kdwade 11 months ago
nightskytube, as a computer programmer and a musician, i can say that you don't know what you're talking about. the synthesizer is just the newest instrument we've invented - no more, no less. every instrument is unique and can do things no other instrument can do. give bach a harpsichord and he'll give you amazing works of complex harmony - because that's what the harpsichord is best at. if bach had been given a synthesizer, maybe he would have sounded like morton subotnick.
kdwade 11 months ago
Non sapevo l'esistenza di queste composizioni che, comunque, trovo ricchissime di creatività!
Come classificarle?
Ciao :)
SalMessina1 11 months ago
this whole track is simply genius the panning and delays are mesmerizing. along with the visuals this track is perfect.
rawfflecakes 1 year ago
I don't see why there's a need for some to claim that electronic music or acoustic music is better, or more emotional than the other. There's room for both, and for hybridization of the two. They both take skill/talent, albeit sometimes a different skill set, and different talents. In response to one poster's comment that "one can just go buy the synths to create this". That's like saying you can buy maya and create astounding 3d animations just by pressing a button. That's absurd.
sleepsignal 1 year ago
i think there's a nasty bug in my ear! and i like it...
elvisbordello 1 year ago
gorgeous is right!
stoopidryan8 1 year ago
Love the Buchla on this. If only I had $20000 to kill.
HolyKatana 1 year ago
this is trash
Voliko1 1 year ago
@Voliko1 Subotnick represents a time when electronic music was a free form art, before it was co-opted by dance halls. It should open up your imagination.
nightskytube 1 year ago
@nightskytube I think that pop culture has co-opted it into predictable and mundane forms, but there is still a tremendous amount of innovation and experimentation going on outside of pop-culture. It's more often seen in galleries and theaters and small venues, and most people don't seem to appreciate it or even know about it, which is kind of nice... you can almost always get a seat.
sleepsignal 1 year ago
Mention should be made that the full composition is about 40 minutes long, covering both sides of the album. I listened to this incessantly during my college years, much to the consternation of my neighbors, who no doubt wondered just what the hell was going on in my house at two in the morning.
Thanks for posting this. I must go see if it's available on CD.
originaljgf 1 year ago 3
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originaljgf 1 year ago
Very appropriate aural environment for a brothers Quay film.
celticart 1 year ago
...we walked into the trees afraid, letting our syllables be soft for fear of waking the rooks, coming noiselessly into a world of wings and cries---using jumpers for goalposts, the sound of three hands' clapping overlapping,at the edges where the debris is... am I close?
rskrzyz 1 year ago
Standard notation not being an option, composers were left the freedom of developing their own notations. As far as the sounds, patch sheets would cover this - a block diagram showing what was connected to what and the significant control settings for each section (or module) of the instrument. As far as notating the compositional elements of the body of work, visual notes and/or graphic representations usually sufficed. Have a look at Cardew's Treatise for an example.
petergrenader 1 year ago
The problem with standard notation in regard to electronic music is that media doesn't deal with the fixed timbres associated with conventional instrumentation. A clarinet is a clarinet and so on. A synthesizer left ultimate control of all the parameters of sound - freq, duration, timbre, amplitude and spacial location up to the creator and standard notation doesn't account for that.
petergrenader 1 year ago
@MuzikJunkyAES - bravo for thinking outside of the box!. I give a lecture about this very topic. If you really want to get ill, read the Webster's definition of music. Completely disses half the man-made music of the world, not to mention bird and whale song....and try to to convince me those aren't a communication of emotion.
petergrenader 1 year ago
Interesting...So, how do you notate something like that?
fsrmusic1 1 year ago
More on the instrument..
This photo was taken 1972 after it was later installed in the CalArts Studio B-303 where it was used by faculty and students up until about 1984-6. Subsequent electronic works produced by him after this (Four Butterflies, Until Spring and Sky of Cloudless Sulfur) all incorporating the butterfly metaphor were also produced on a Buchla 200 which was his own and had components from earlier generation Buchla instruments namely the 101 Dodecca module. I hope this helps!
petergrenader 1 year ago
Wasn't part of this used in the SpongeBob SquarePants cartoon "SB-129"? Peace.
MuzikJunkyAES 2 years ago
how did he make these sounds?
nicodagger 2 years ago
nicodagger:
All the sounds are made on the Buchla synthesizer.
PutteFnasker 2 years ago
what's the video?????
Robusto103 2 years ago
Hooray! My favorite Subotnick piece; for years I hoped for this and UNTIL SPRING to make it to CD, and eventually they were released TOGETHER, to my great delight. Now, if someone would do FOUR BUTTERFLIES the same favour...
gomro 2 years ago
woah, this could be Ryoji Ikeda's dad by the sound of it!
Natashadoingit 2 years ago 6
Give me a link to your work
megza14 2 years ago
ideal music? That's an odd concept. Ideal from who's point of view?
cococonk 2 years ago
This piece is brilliant. The placement and use of the sounds makes it interesting and captivating to listen to, and that in itself takes a certain degree of genius. It may not have specific notes or be anything like Vivaldi or Bach, but it has a definite pattern and purpose for the sounds that take the listener on a journey and I think that's important in any musical piece.
Yay for experimental music!
emilyann1989 2 years ago 3
totally agree.
Though it definitely gives me far less pleasure and emotional satisfaction to listen to subotnick over beethoven. There is definitely a place for it in the colour-wheel of music though!
HamerD 2 years ago
very very intresting projekt,much compliments for your works
gennargiu 3 years ago
It HAS chords & melodies, & it gives me a lot of PLEASURE ! As well as classical, blues, jazz Ellington's music would be unintelligible noise to a Middle Age monk. It is a music with much theory, interesting concepts. I have been studying electroacoustic composing in an Academy for four years and one can spend a few lifes in it. Discover books by Pierre Schaeffer, Michel Chion, François Bayle, discover Xenakis, Chowning, Parmegiani, Beatriz Ferreyra, Stockhausen, Bayle and hundred others.
19841947 3 years ago
ok, sure, if you want to be technical, an argument can be made that every single pitched sound can be broken down and analyzed as a chord :) I just meant that there are no chords serving a function in any perceivable tonal harmony
piranah87 3 years ago
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I can't belive how empty and silly the people are if it comes to defending their weaknesses. This is a great example, including this shit music. Please someone determine what do the "joy" means, and how did he found it in this music? I tell you a secret- No way! The soul has it's rules and the more predictable is the will for fulfilling the expectations the more joy the piece brings. This music is just a random something. I'd NEVER release such myself.Only better in every way!
roncstelep 3 years ago
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My,friend!Is there something VERY wrong to you,I have to tell!Even if you've thaught it all, you don't know anything about the nature of the music and about the "soul"I must admit, even if you don't consider it about yourself.Firstly:The names you've mentioned(and which I know),were almost never made music,and never made anything what has anything in relation to the joy.I know all the works of Stock.but he is an amatheur,beginner,idiot.I'd NEVER make such bad music as they did..
roncstelep 3 years ago
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Then:What brings the most pleasure to you?Could you compare these names, and this piece to that?Then you may regret that you miss something.Why don't we take J-M Jarre: Oxygene or Kraftwerk-Computer World as an example, or Vivaldi-4 seasons,Bach-toccata and fuge in d-mol?? Are you sure your names are able to bring similar quality,pleasure, not mentioning the necessarily genious content of something which is misterious from"above".Ferreyra, a woman.. I have to laugh...
roncstelep 3 years ago
Just because it doesn't have melody, chords or rhythm does not mean it isn't music. Keeping to the notion that all music must have certain qualities will only prevent you from enjoying entire genres of music.
piranah87 3 years ago 3
Subotnick is a genius who is yet to received full recognition.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago 2
You don't know geniousness means, I'm sorry! Simple: If I don't find him genious, then he is dabateable is it... and I have to tell his work is very far from geniousness. A genius won't experiment - just to tell you about a secret of it all.
roncstelep 3 years ago
There is something Henry David Thoreau said about reading: "Not all books are as dull as their readers."
The same idea applies to music: "Not all music is as dull as its listeners."
On the contrary, geniuses experiment all the time. It requires a great aptitude for patience.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
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Good saying but doesn't fit here. If you think others are dull-I agree. If you think that Iam,(just because I disagree with you)-Iam far from being dull. Please undertstand:genious don't experiment. He DOES it or he knows that it doesn't worth doing it and does (did)it in his head virtually and it's satisfactory for him.What you can hear from a genious's output is ALWAYS the result and NEVER the experimenting. That's a way to tell the difference, and that's how I mean it all.
roncstelep 3 years ago
Anyway,would one be able to tell what does experimenting means? If one creates,in which second can the experimenting be captured and from where do the planned intentions starts working.The creation is a misterious thing, mostly for the creator.The experimenting is not an act is a state of mind,an intention for seeking.The one who knows what do he want to do,he will do it even if his creative-process doesn't look different from that of the experimenter.The difference is in the mind!
roncstelep 3 years ago
Because an artist knows what he wants to do does not mean he doesn't take the time to develope his theme and skills.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
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Morton isn't a jewish name? Hm. I doubt if there were any genious were existed among the jews.The only name I have to mention is Otto Weininger who was a psichologist and he was the cruelest offender of the jew-metaphicics(altough he was half-jewish). Please read: Geschleckt und charakter (English: Sex and character). He will inform you about the criteria of geniousness if my definition won't count.Then one may talk about the geniousness...
roncstelep 3 years ago
Genius is not subject to pat definitions.
I said nothing about Subotnick being Jewish.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
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Belive me, I could describe what takes one to be genious. I'd say ca. something like 10-15 rule. Such rules can be told. I'm able to tell it. Not because I can say about myself as a genious, but just because I have a massive relationship with being that. That's why I sensitive about it. Yes,you never mentioned he is Jewish. The name, his ever-seeking intentions and his will of expressing himself makes me feel like he is it.
roncstelep 3 years ago
No one can define genius for all artists. Each work of art is like a planet; it has its own set of laws.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
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Hey man!I proclame:The geniousness has NOTHING to do to the art. There are genial work of art but the creators are not geniouses. Just take Bach as an example:he was an asshole as a private person,and so do the other artists are as a human-creature from the wiev of the wholeless-ness.Simply because geniousness is nothing but wholeless-ness. I have never met artist even close to it and never met anybody else.Genius must be found somewhere else. Very hidden.
roncstelep 3 years ago
Where is it written that geniuses must be nice, affable people? Some of the most detestable people were brilliant. A good example is Wagner.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago 3
Well,OK, but till now I don't know which terminology shall I use to exclude pieces from the too large stack of music. Music may be without those terminology, but not without a systematic order of fulfilling the expectations related to the next second. If it stays random, then it's not music but a tonal experimental. This piece is absolutely random no-one will ever enjoy it like say, Vivaldi. And if so, then we can place this music to more to the un-enjoyable music scale
roncstelep 3 years ago
the difference between noise and music is all subjective
backinblackboy 3 years ago
Then I advice you to listen a white or a pink noise in a traffic all the day and I'm curios how will you enjoy it! Then we can debate about the subjectiveness. OK, I must admit the things are subjective, but then we have to examine the thing we call "subjectum"! In that point that much defended subjectum may bleed away belive me! I think yours too..
roncstelep 3 years ago
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Please don't call this music! This is an acustical experiment. Nothing more. There's no melody, nor chords, nor rhythm. How one can call it music? The soul has its own rules. It's easy to fulfill it but this track doesn't eeven approaches it. I'd call this shit if it wasn't something early stuff altough I have some wonderful tunes from the 50's: Kid Baltan - Song of the second moon for example. That's music and experimental lso.
roncstelep 3 years ago
That charge is often made at art that's main focus is conceptual, that is, hard to put in terms of imagery, rather than concrete.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
this is to music!
backinblackboy 3 years ago
@roncstelep Who said that all music had to be tonal and pretty? I think this is far more gorgeous than anything produced on an acoustic instrument! Peace.
MuzikJunkyAES 2 years ago 8
@MuzikJunkyAES Far more gorgeous than ANYTHING produced on an acoustic instrument? So, you've got Beethoven's 3rd Symphony or this, and you take this to the desert island? You save this, and consign Mozart's Magic Flute to fire, given the choice? You'd give away your last copy of Kind of Blue, never to hear it again, if it could save this piece in your collection?
My friend, if you buy all the synths, you can program this stuff yourself. Granted, Subotnick is a trailblazer, with taste.
nightskytube 1 year ago
@nightskytube To the fire they go, and I'll even take an RCA Mark II synth and learn an actual programming language with the punch cards! Peace.
MuzikJunkyAES 1 year ago
@MuzikJunkyAES I think you'd live to regret that decision. This is beautiful music though, don't get me wrong.
nightskytube 1 year ago
@nightskytube I would never regret the decision! Electronic music gives you an infinite range of sound! Peace.
MuzikJunkyAES 1 year ago
@MuzikJunkyAES It's more than just about range of EQ and tone flexibility. Those are nice things, but there's also range of emotion and range of intellect. Compare to Brahms' 2nd Piano Concerto, Debussy's La Mer, or Chopin's 2nd Ballad. Much more complicated and yet at the same time much more emotional. Human interaction is a very complicated process. Twiddling knobs isn't up to the complete task.
nightskytube 1 year ago
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MuzikJunkyAES 1 year ago
@nightskytube @nightskytube I completely disagree. There are plenty of electronic works that have the range of emotion and intellect that are as complex as the works you mention. You saying what you saying is like saying that literary science-fiction doesn't have the same range of of complexity and emotion as regular literary fiction. Writers such as Kim Stanley Robinson and Octavia Butler deal with Stories, themes, and emotions just as complex as writers such as Alice Munro and Saul Bellow--
MuzikJunkyAES 1 year ago
@nightskytube (continued) but they happen to set their works on alien planets or contain people with superhuman abilities. Peace.
MuzikJunkyAES 1 year ago
@MuzikJunkyAES No, I'm saying that the language of this kind of computerized music is not sufficiently evolved to convey the detailed thought that the works I've mentioned, as examples, are. Since you're hunting for analogies, I'll compare something a computer programming language to an evolved spoken language, such as English for example. A great writer who uses the English language is going to be able move a lot more ideas with subtlety than someone who is using Ruby on Rails.
nightskytube 1 year ago 2
if its sound, then it can be put into music... i like it, but the really fast tapping rhythm makes me feel like a bug is crawling on my back
MarylandJuly89 3 years ago
Synth music is not just melody and song. It's sound and form as well.
pantherius 3 years ago
Rocks are just frozen music, everything vibrates.
JazzmanJibilla 3 years ago 3
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this is music??? hahahaha
PANTERTALLICA 3 years ago
omg ikr
RIP ~DIAMOND DARRELL~
fallonmccoy 3 years ago 4
lol your name is pantertallica
jasmincar 3 years ago
@PANTERTALLICA - Yes, there's even more bizzare stuff where this came from.
ShemTheSham 1 year ago
A very good question.
Rundhyl 1 year ago
@PANTERTALLICA Music is the organising of sound and "silence", so yes, by this definition, this is music. Maybe not by yours. But I don't know what that is.
BoxOfFrogbit 1 year ago
Morton Subotnick is the best music of the modern age and this video is amazing
danielberio 3 years ago
Video is nice as a ducumentum and the soundtrack suits to it but just as a background.
roncstelep 3 years ago