@metalbullitt You're not going to argue because you have no argument except for your laughable and biased opinion. JJJ is NOT a complete system or else martial artists wouldn't train in anything else. I can tell you have no real life fighting experience and if you don't think that not a single MMA fighter is a proficient boxer...be my guest and challenge one. Oh that's right you're just an online fighter lol.
Finger locks.. Trust me when your ground fighting and you have the advantage then someone does a lock on your fingers the pain is incredible. From someone that knows I now have an extra knuckle that won't bend in my finger.
@drjohnny5621 So right....but the Gracie Propagand yelled that theory too, but did they also told you how much % Fights STAY on the Ground...No Doubt they get there,...but how much street fighting really goes on the ground?! GJJ has a better view to a fight than most BJJ schools with point fighting mindset. I do BJJ and Judo and to ME, it´s fine this way...but I don´t buy Gracie Bullshit propaganda. I you can...avoid going to the ground, and if there get up fast !
@BFerreira82 Sorry man its a dream to think if your getting jump you wont be brought to the ground, Iv been wrestling my entire life I throw 4 degree black belts in judo. Iv end up on the ground every time Iv been jumped and it wasnt by choice.
@drjohnny5621 Did you read that I stated that in an fight a person is NOT going to the ground ? Hell I do JUDO and BJJ ! I SAID very clear..." how much % of fights on street STAY (Not go ...) on the ground like an BJJ match " Not much. they go there, but don´t stay there long. Got to be quick, explosive! No sense in Lazy Sport BJJ approach to self defense. De La riva´s,X-guard, Spider guard, inverted guard and stuff like that. BASICS and SIMPLE are the best everyday, all day!
@Bhomein Who said I hate bjj or other martial art? my point is bjj alone is ineffective has to be complemented with other styles. in a street fight one for one or two to one what makes a bjj fighter? leads them to the ground? of course not, thats my point, bjj its for competition not sel defense.one more thing, hardly bjj fighters win judo fighters in the ground the Gracie family can confirm it. all martial arts have strengths and weaknesses, bjj figthers dont learn to kick or punch
for those do not know the bjj born from jjj, ground fighting is only one element of the train in jjj, in bjj only ground figthing is trained, as @metalbullitt said: " For competition go BJJ, for real life go JJJ" .i practice JJJ and we train ground fighting for fun or for tournaments in which the fight could end up on the floor.
These g uys are not good at all. The BJJ guys is terrible. He is doing nothing nothing from the guard and the JJJ guy is giving him so many openings. This is white bellt BJJ
@BluePittbull666 i would have to disagree simply because BJJ focuses more on ground fighting and JJJ incorporates strikes, standing joint locks and ground fighting... but im only 16 and havent been taking JJJ for very long and being that its my displine that might influence my judgement, feel free to correct since i dont know much about BJJ and could be wrong
@BluePittbull666 Thats an extremely biased opinion.. being that I come from a Muay Thai background (I train and instruct) as a WHOLE JJJ is the most affective art in a REAL combat situation. BJJ want to take a fight to the ground while JJJ want to end it before it reaches the ground. BJJ doesn't include striking, wrist or finger locks, nor does it incorporate pressure point fighting... JJJ is all of this and more. For competition go BJJ, for real life go JJJ. I'll be starting JJJ this month.
@metalbullitt I spent 2 years training JJJ with a 3rd Degree Black Belt, and it inspired my love of BJJ, but from everything I have seen, only the escapes from holds are truly practical for the street.
@Bignumberz Well I can't really say you're wrong or that you're right. I'm going on my 6th month with sensei Mark Jordan (6th Degree) and everything I've learned is tried and true through his sparring with different martial artists. I'm under the Bushido school, not sure who you've studied with or under. There is absolutely no debating that BJJ is much more fun than JJJ but I'm not doing it for the fun, I'm learning it for survival.
And as far as only the escapes being practical; JJJ is basically a 95% submission martial art, a martial art that fathered Judo, Aikido AND BJJ so I'm not sure how only our escapes would be affective in a real life altercation when arm bars, kimuras and rear naked chokes were being practiced centuries ago in futile Japan before Brazil ever came to be a modern civilization. I'm not trying to knock BJJ I'm just trying to educate on the history.
@metalbullitt Good point, but I want to correct something. If you went to feudal japan, you wouldn't see much submission training. The goal wasn't to take the joint to the point where it was about to break/dislocate/etc and hold it there until they submit. It was to shove/pull/force the joint PAST the breaking/dislocating/etc point. The submission stuff came later, when most combat was just street fighting against criminals. They were trained for submission, but it wasn't emphasized as much.
@Altonahk Oh point well taken! but by today's society standards, taking the technique to that extreme would cross over from self defense into assault (In some cases assault with a deadly weapon [your own body if you're a registered black belt]).
@buakaew88 You must be a 12 year old boy... You're trying to compare apples to a fucking car........... They're not even in the same REALM of application. When you place someone in a wrist lock its usually dont after a strike or as a finishing move when taking someone to the ground.. My sensei and Grand Master train the LAPD, lmao... You're telling me, wrist and finger manipulations don't work, right? Watch an episode of COPS, sweetheart ; ) dont forget to brush your teeth and say your prayers.
"You're trying to compare apples to a fucking car"
You're right. A cop putting handcuffs on an already subdued criminal is not at all relevant to your previous conversation about actual fighting or "survival" as you say.
@afreiden lol.. goodness. Listen bud, I don't need to defend my martial art. If you feel you can take a JJJ student down with your BJJ then by all means, our dojo is open to your challenge..
@metalbullitt LOL You complain about an "extremely biased opinion" and then give a biased opinion of your own. The most effective art for combat is no specific art but a background of training in several styles or systems. JJJ has weaknesses in it just like any other martial art. Special Forces units around the world learn BJJ as apart of their hand to hand training along with other fighting systems.
@josh808m I'm not going to sit here and argue with anyone.. Japanese Jujitsu fathered Judo, Aikido AND Brazilian Jiujitsu. It is a complete fighting system (Not a singular focus). Next thing you'll say is that MMA fighters are real boxers.........
@BluePittbull666 to be honest i love them both and both of them are effective you should study both trust me bjj is not just for competition it is effective and that is why it is teach but jjj is also good but it is only good for standing up each has it own, study both to be the best and tell blue pitbull that it is all good all of it came from jujitsu all bjj is more experts that is all.
Actually, BJJ is efficient 1 on 1 but if you even think theres a chance one or more of his friends may come help kick your ass it doesn't matter if your a black belt in bjj or jjj, your best bet will be to run.
@XxWarArtistxX In general, you don't want to be on your back in ANY fight situation because of the obvious risk to being punched in the face. It's that simple.
90% of fights end up on the ground, if your in BJJ and took the guy to the ground you could choke him out, break an arm or leg and even if you wanted to play it safe you could get the full mount and beat his head in with a rock or your even your own fists. Not to say BJJ is the best for street fighting because personally I believe Krav Maga would be the best for that but if 9 in 10 fights end up on the ground I think it'd be good to be prepared.
@XxWarArtistxX OK. I should probably tell you a bit about myself first. I have done Judo and Pangration for a few years now. I have also bounced on the door of some of the roughest clubs back home. 90% of street fights DON'T end up on the ground. They end up with one person being knocked to the ground and their head kicked in. SO, give me a solid background in Muay Thai any day over BJJ. My point was BJJ teaches people to flop on their asses in a fight which is not good in the real world.
Muay Thai is pretty badass in terms of striking for their usage of not only punches and kicks but knees and elbows so I agree with you that I'd prefer that over BJJ in a street fight. Despite your past experiences it doesn't mean that 90% of street fights don't end on the ground because it differs depending on whose fighting and the situation. I like BJJ, I think it's a unique martial art but I plan to take up Muay Thai in the near future anyway to have that striking experience.
@XxWarArtistxX Thanks for the insight. Like I said, I'm pretty experienced in martial arts. Have been trained in Judo and Pangration for MMA, have done a bit of Muay Thai and boxing; and have friends that are national level fighters and coaches. Feel free to pull guard all you want in a street fight. I'll be the one throwing punches and leg kicks, clinching or throwing people on the ground. Look up Wollongong fights and check the street footage to see where I used to bounce.
@XxWarArtistxX It's spelled Pangration in Greek. Americans call it pankration, and I think the rules are slightly different. That said, they change all the time. I've competed where head kicks were allowed, as long as you don't draw blood, and no head strikes were allowed, and then I've had friends compete in Pankration where open palm strikes to the face were allowed. BUT, no, my coach who used to be the national coach says it's spelled Pangration. Have a google and see what you can find.
You're probably right, I don't know much about it other than a brief history lesson and a basic idea of the fighting style. Unfortunately there are probably many moves that have been lost but they made do with what they knew from artifacts.
@XxWarArtistxX Read up on it. It's basically MMA, if that's what you're in to. Apparently, when Alexander The Great conquered the world, a lot of what was taught in Pangration was taken up by other cultures. Asians took a lot of the grappling and created jujutsu, and SE Asians (Thais) took a lot of the striking and created Muay Thai. Whether this is true or not, I don't know. Anyway, if I had to pick ONE martial art to do, it would be Pangration because it covers striking and grappling.
I do JJJ or (Japanese Ju Jitsu) and im not in to BJJ but i will never say anyone marshal art is better then another becouse its a marshal art or a (marshal art sport) the sport means founded off marshal arts and made in to a sport of UFC of thing a long them lines but in a street fight last place you want to be it on the floor or on your back so BJJ is good if you end up on the floor or your back your back but dont just take up BJJ take up boxing or a striking marsh art and BJJ
@Tattolew WTF? fail shit bro.. bjj is geting close and grappling em down... if your on the top good, you cansubmit or do whatever.. if you on the bottom you wil still no how to submit!
why the fuck all these jjj guys that fight with bjj guys get so close to them to hold them, why don't just kick them in te head, they will never win in the floor against a bjj guy.
@theholyone6 so it's an unffair competition , cause it looks they stick to the bjj rules, and bjj will always win in the floor, but what if you fight in the street against a jjj guy? he kicks you in the head and thros you to the floor knocked down, fuck bjj competition THIS IS REAL LIFE.
@themrpanda1 dude why are you so angry that JJJ guy lost? WHy do you compare SPORT to fight on the street? Street fight can then take many shapes,bottle smash, eye gouge,groin strike, knife, bullet...this is sport..relax its not life and death...you will not see a guy pull guard in a street fight. JJJ guys must keep practicing agains live resistance to further improve. BJJ guys grapple against real resistance. I do agree that JJJ is more suited for street 100% due to strikes and standing subs
@Houseoferebus dude, it's ok. it is just that this competition is unffair...only bjj RULES if they wanna see a good fight they can't use bjj or jjj rules, it is obvious that bjj will always win in the floor
@themrpanda1 Not excatly no 1 has the right to say bjj will beat jjj on the ground (Vise Versa) it is never the style that decides who wins ( can contribute to it yes ) it all comes down to the indivdual and how they act on the moment so people just stop pointing flaws in other arts and just make the most out of your chosen art. (Houseoferebus dont think this is me diggin at you it gose for every one thx)
go research the origin of mma and how fighters diciplined in single arts faired when they competed against each other. In fact, the only art that could survive coupled only by itself was bjj.
@streeteffective who the fuck cares if u can pin me I'll choke you the fuck out in a real fight what pin me three seconds and fights over hahahahaahahahaa nah son u can mount me but I'll roll u and since u don't do bjj u don't have a guard I'll pass to mount ur dumbass wrestling self would try and benchpress me and I'd rip ur fuck ass arm off boo yah !!!!
this is pretty much the samething as inviting a MMA fighrter to a boxing match, he has some boxing skills but he won't be able to go with the real boxers
I don't understand, why bjj guy had taken from the beginning the position down (in the guard), and then put his energy to return the situation and take the position over the jjj guy? I thought the position down is more exhausting and energy demanding, you are more limited in this position. It's maybe more smart to try to take the upper position from the beginning? Is any bjj practician can expain?
@Alkhazred Im a purple belt. My lineage goes Helio>Pedro Sauer>Allen Hopkins. Truefully i dont know much about japanese jujitsu but in brazilian jiujitsu its not desirable to hug the guys head when your on top (so instantly i knew who the brazilian jiujitsu guy was NOT) unless your arm gets stuck there when the guy is attacking. As far as willingly going down and letting the guy in your guard is a matter of personal choice and not a trait of the art.
@Alkhazred One reason a person may pull guard is because he is under the realization that this is a grappling tournament and not self defense so its ok to playfully go down to his back. another reason i can think of is he is confident. another being he may not be as good on his feet or would rather skip the stumbling for 5 of the 10 min match and get down to it. When other styles fight bjj guys they are also very reserved so they dont want to commit to anything so its easier..
@Alkhazred ...to just let the guy on top so he will be close. Although others like to try to do the take down themselves and not be taken down. In my oppinion this his is more realistic in the aspect of taking the guy down to the ground but isnt in that the time wasted standing up attacking and resisting could have been used to finish the guy. Which in my oppinion is very important too. Thanks for actually being respectfuly inquiring about such a beautiful art.
@Alkhazred the guy on top that has his arm around the guy on bottom is utalizing a position i see alot of judo people do. I never seen it lead anywhere though. you cant pass from there. Lets just say if i grapple judo people i expect they will do this even though they never grappled me before. (i think it is expected to be putting alot of pressure on the bottom guy). As far as the bottom guy using more energy than being on top of cross body(side control) or mount... YES. But...
@Alkhazred ... But he is using less energy than the guy IN his guard. Although some peoples guard is so good it takes them less energy than many peoples mount. This is all my opinion. hope it helps
Remind me how this is BJJ vs JJJ? It's a BJJ match? It's like how BJJ guys brag about tapping out NCAA wrestlers. Yeah in BJJ you beat the wrestler, now turn aound and wrestle him by NCAA rules and watch your ass get pinned. Everyone does well within in their own rules. If that BJJ guy laid on his back right away in the alley he get stomped into the concrete. JJJ and BJJ are get at what they were designed for.
@Mrjustinqqq Heres Andy Hug (Karate, but simply inspirational with his axe kick) watch?v=KltbxRVP0gU. or search andy hug on youtube and its the 3rd video
@Mrjustinqqq something like that, but its just way too impractical vs a gun. Can be done but chances of being in a situation like that are negligible + adrenaline, etc (just not worth studying it for a lifetime over something like that).
thats why I just enjoy bjj, fun sport and very practical
the original jiu jitsu was used to disarm samurai, when there was no more need for this; it became a sport and lost to Judo which was more effective in that situation. judo on average loses to bjj on the mats, a throw isn't as devastating.
@Mrjustinqqq thing is, kung fu and the original jiu jitsu schools were just libraries of techniques. Techniques without strategy, without direction. Give 10,000 moves to someone and you'll confuse them. Thats why Kano's school defeated the top jiu jitsu schools. He took a handful of moves that he thought were linked (throws) and gave martial artists a direction. From there BJJ evolved as well.
@Mrjustinqqq well kung fu is old as fuck, broad as fuck. Lol, there are bazillions of things, just like the original jiu jitsu. It's like people are now discovering moves in brazilian jiu jitsu, only to find out its already been discovered hundreds of years ago.
@Mrjustinqqq bas rutten used the palm strike in pancrase because closed fist was not allowed. Hitting with your palm is not exlusive to one MA either. I hit with my palm and never took any striking next to boxing.
@Mrjustinqqq but in all seriousness, there are good MAs where you can get concepts, great technique, overall fighting experience from. and shit MAs which trick you into sucking cock and trap you in their arrogance so you never actually get any good.
If there is no striking this is not JJJ traditional ju jitsu excell in every erea of fighting even illigal techniques true ju jitsu is hard to come by these days since its been distorted with waterd down crap like BJJ
you kids and your knife stories, this is fucking sad. Just bring an f-22 if weapons are involved. Fucking faggots trying to feel better about their sport constantly losing to bjj
Every BJJ video on you tube that starts with a VS is just another insecure propaganda - trying so hard to identify themselves as different to the point of claiming the Japanese didn't teach it to them.
@yeee941 because without rules and a referee telling you what you can and can't do, ain't it easy to just knee or kick the BJJ guy in the groin when they willingly invite everyone of their opponents to just slide into between their legs in every fight? BJJ is good for MMA, hardly practical for real life street or military combat situations that require CMA (combat martial arts).
@importedinventions It just shows you dont even train,the guard is there for when your put on your back,so you need to sweep or submit them,no i isnt that easy to just knee them in the groin because its "tight" being in the guard,I mean if your thrown on your back you need defense,what ar you gonna do if the bigger guy throws you down? let him take mount? No,pull guard,and sweep him.
@yeee941 your reply just shows you you're in denial of what the video itself is showing. BJJ is part of the regiment training in our local MMA school here. Watch the video, from 11 - 14 sec, that motion of pulling someone down with your legs spreading to form the guard is very consistent in BJJ. That "tightness" you refer to doesn't happen until the guard is formed, plenty of time to get kicked or kneed in the groin before then. Seen it in Gym so many times "accidentally landing of course" lol
if a big guy or any guy succeeds to tackle me to the ground, then yes BJJ is then useful. But when people use it as a primary fighting method, on the street with no rules, thinking like a grappler will get you stomped on or killed. Outside the ring, one on one fights is hardly the case. BJJ against multiple threats is an immediate suicide. No matter how great of a grappler you are, it will take too long to finish off an opponent, unless you expect his buddies to wait for you to finish? no...
@importedinventions Hey man ,I've used BJJ in a few situations, the guard has helped me, I guess Im just "lucky" enough,but its all good keep training and doing what your doing bro.
@Kayvond77 sankaku jime or what I think they call a triangle in BJJ works on the street, but not if the guy is a monster. I've seen a big guy use it from the ground against another guy that was about his size, but said big guy was put in one by a much lighter guy. They were on concrete, and yeah, he got picked up about 2 feet off the ground and dropped down, and released the hold.
I'm sorry..... but this guy is NOT Japanese Jujutsu. Which Ryu is this guy from?
Most traditional Jujutsuka do not have logo's or lines running down their GI.
Looks like another one of those Karate with some tad grappling wannabe Jujutsu.
I'm a White Belt at my Jujutsu school. And I could've done so much better. Or atleast attempted to pass his guard and not easily get pulled into guard like that in the first place. I have beaten BJJ white belts with ease.
@BlackShinobiShozoku Royce was beaten by Yoshida (up for discussion actually, as the ref stopped the fight thinking Royce was unconscious which he was not) in an MMA fight, not a grappling match.
Kimura was a newaza specialist. A rare sight in modern judo.
Judo is great, but BJJ is king on the ground. You don't see Judoka making it very far in ADCC.
There are videos of high level BJJ competitors like Jacare grappling with high level Judo guys. Jacare puts on a newaza clinic.
Kosen Judo is not rare in Judo nowadays. Maybe back in the day before Kosen Judo became popular via Kimura and a couple others. And Judoka have won ADCC before.
Either way Royce lost..... Even if he wasn't unconscious it was pretty obvious to me that Royce doesn't like to tap even if he is causing injury. He was clearly beaten, and the ref stopped it to prevent further injury. Luckily the ref was there so Royce could go home that night.
"BJJ" is at best a local (Brazilian) expression of Kodokan judo. Maeda sensei was a kodokan yondan when he went to Brasil. No other "jiujitsu" license.
I always wonder if the brothers actually "passed up" their teacher Maeda ... who had over 1000 no-holds-barred fights back in the day apparently and it was he who applied his judo (kano jiujutsu) to this context.
More likely Maeda sensei is the genius behind BJJ.
youd have to laugh at the bjj lad imitating jacare like that as if he actually performed well.He was useless to take that long to beat someone so uneducated on the ground.He was also lucky the lad didnt know ezekiel from guard
the ezekiel and thrusting choke are 2 of the very few attacks that can work from guard.The flowre or pendulum sweep cant be done unless the hips can pivot and they cant with a tight ezekial
It would be handy to know what rules were imposed on the fight that might restrict the JJJ man from performing here. If none then as a JJJ 3rd dan myself then i could think of a whole range of things that he should have known but didnt use.
I box & do JJJ & BJJ I've also done aikido & Judo. My JJJ style is traditional, we do ground work, but most of the strikes are not effective and there are too many, boxing only has six punches but they work. Should we as Jujitsu practitioners incorporate boxing conditioning & strikes?I do & I find it really helps with distance & take downs.
A lot of these chops & eye gouges it must be remembered where developed by Samuria in armor with mail gloves on its a bit different to just fragile hands.
@infokemp ye, of course you should incorporate other styles. do whatever fits you and the circumstances. whenever you're in a fight, would you say 'now i'm going to use boxing' and only limit yourself to x number of punches and no kicking? then when it doesn't work you go 'ok, now i go bjj' and try to drag the guy to the ground and not punc him once in the face?
what sort of comp would it be with no rules,even mma has rules.The problem here is that the lad in white was completely clueless about strategy on the ground,he was against a very average opponent and still got swept like that.
Was not a red/white masters belt. It was a red/white/blue belt, representing the colors of Panama (country of tournament). Just like the yellow and green belt they use to differentiate competitors in Brazil.
Esse papo de dizer que jiu é melhor que judo, lutando nas regras de jiu já era... esse papo é muito tosco. Se for nas regras de judo, o cara de azul perderia. Se fosse regra de boxe..... um boxeardor ganharia..dã.....
Wow... It's like the black belt didn't even know how to get out of the guard. If I was the purple belt I would've tried the scorpion crunch when the JJJ guy laid in my guard like that.
No...it proves you didn't understand what you just saw...not only that HE LOST! This is what kills me about "TMA" guys who claim "well I did pretty good considering.." Well..did you when? "No..but.." Then you didn't do well at all...you got your ass handed to you. The BJJ guy had the guard sweep the entire time but decided not to take it...in other words...he was toying with the JJJ guy and then finished the fight when he got tiered of playing
You are right you must win fights; in a challenge match I would use BJJ but in a streetfight I would box to stun & then use a Judo throw to get them down to KO with a punch. The weakness of Traditional Jujitsu is the emphasis of skill over conditioning in strikes (boxing only has 6 punches but they are effective) what is good JJJ is nerve holds. BJJ & JJJ are complex & effective in some situ if you have conditioning use JJJ for when you can't go to ground for life or death such as eye gouges etc
@infokemp Why would you want to use bjj for a street fight, if you get into a street fight and you go to the ground like in bjj then the persons friends woud kill you, most street fights would not be 1 on 1
@HLCassidy You are right but I did say I would use BJJ only for competition.
For street fighting I would use boxing & stand up strangles from JJJ. Sorry if my message was confusing I was writing quickly but thanks for the advise. I take it on board. Most fights do end up on the ground but they can be won in the stand up phase.
Nah, I think he was a "JJJ" player. My reasoning is:
1.He did'nt have a clue of what to do while in guard
2.He wore a black belt while having no clue what to do in guard
3. that ridiculous looking gi looks like something that would be standard issue for some made up JJJ ryu.
I put "JJJ" in qoutes because now that I think about it...he is probably an exponent of some hokey crappling art slapped together from a bit of poorly understood judo and BJJ. Suff he saw on TV.
technically, the JJJ man should have had a knife hidden in his belt and killed him when they were on the ground, since JJJ is about surviving life-or-death combat with weapons, and BJJ is about winning under controlled conditions.
@pacificimporters needing to rely on weapons in a fist fight means you can't fight lol. Nothing wrong with using weapons, but if a black belt in JJJ needs a weapon to fight a BJJ fighter, then that alone tells you that the JJJ fighter's system is ineffective against a skilled fighter. Plus, it doesn't take a black belt in JJJ to stab someone in a fight...it just takes someone desperate enough not to get tapped out
@iMaKeUsHoOk I'm not arguing that, just saying that there are lots of people that carry small, sharp objects, and will kill you without hesitation if you go the newaza route in a real confrontation.
@pacificimporters Granted. I heard a story online somewhere that a guy was fighting someone in a bar, and he went to the ground with the dude and started cranking his arm with an armbar. The other guy, out of desperation, pulled out a knife and stabbed the BJJ guy in the ribs several times. Don't know much more about the story, but it wakes people up to reality. However, one other point I want to stress is that there is also a lot of wrist control in BJJ to prevent fishy movements like that
In fact, imagine that you had a knife, and a bjj guy tackles you to the ground and gets you in the mounted position, how can you go for the knife? in fact, any kind of move you make with your arms opens you up for subs like americanas, armbars, etc. The only time I think it's possible for a bjj guy to be winning and the other guy pulls out a knife is if the bjj guy is in guard, in which case the bjj guy still has control. Though I agree with you, I still see problems with most scenarios
@pacificimporters Unless of course the knife is already in his hand, in which case the chances sharply increase he will use it on me. Then, i recommend learning some techniques from Japanese jujutsu on how to disarm the guy. Or taking a sprinting class lol.
@pacificimporters you can use BJJ in the street MORE than japanese jiu jitsu...i have respect for both types but i honestly think japanese jiu jitsu is pretty much judo, and bjj is designed to truly defend yourself with real life situations and control
@giovannialvarez I disagree. I like judo but it's pretty much neutered jujutsu, with all the punches, palms, elbows, kicks, foot stomps, nut kicks, flying knees, fishhooks, hair pulling, biting, eye gouging, knife fighting and really vicious chokes and holds and throws removed. BJJ is basically judo, or "Basically Just Judo" as some say, with a heavy emphasis on newaza. Look at some of the BJJ books that are geared towards defense, not MMA - it's Japanese jujutsu, all the way
@metalbullitt You're not going to argue because you have no argument except for your laughable and biased opinion. JJJ is NOT a complete system or else martial artists wouldn't train in anything else. I can tell you have no real life fighting experience and if you don't think that not a single MMA fighter is a proficient boxer...be my guest and challenge one. Oh that's right you're just an online fighter lol.
josh808m 2 weeks ago
Finger locks.. Trust me when your ground fighting and you have the advantage then someone does a lock on your fingers the pain is incredible. From someone that knows I now have an extra knuckle that won't bend in my finger.
SE62007 2 weeks ago
Why can't the JJJ guy kick, bite, eye gouge or head butt the BJJ guy?.. Oh yeah that's it because BJJ has rules...
SE62007 2 weeks ago
@SE62007 Yeah that makes it even better because when you take away the rules and its no holds bar BJJ joints start snapping.
77zzzz77 1 week ago
CONCLUSION. EL BJJ ES EL MEJOR!!! THE BJJ IS THE BETTER!!
davidrolyto2 3 weeks ago
Good luck staying on your feet in a real fight, its dam near impossible not to go to the ground when your getting jumped.
drjohnny5621 1 month ago
@drjohnny5621 So right....but the Gracie Propagand yelled that theory too, but did they also told you how much % Fights STAY on the Ground...No Doubt they get there,...but how much street fighting really goes on the ground?! GJJ has a better view to a fight than most BJJ schools with point fighting mindset. I do BJJ and Judo and to ME, it´s fine this way...but I don´t buy Gracie Bullshit propaganda. I you can...avoid going to the ground, and if there get up fast !
BFerreira82 3 weeks ago
@BFerreira82 Sorry man its a dream to think if your getting jump you wont be brought to the ground, Iv been wrestling my entire life I throw 4 degree black belts in judo. Iv end up on the ground every time Iv been jumped and it wasnt by choice.
drjohnny5621 2 weeks ago
@drjohnny5621 Did you read that I stated that in an fight a person is NOT going to the ground ? Hell I do JUDO and BJJ ! I SAID very clear..." how much % of fights on street STAY (Not go ...) on the ground like an BJJ match " Not much. they go there, but don´t stay there long. Got to be quick, explosive! No sense in Lazy Sport BJJ approach to self defense. De La riva´s,X-guard, Spider guard, inverted guard and stuff like that. BASICS and SIMPLE are the best everyday, all day!
BFerreira82 2 weeks ago
@Bhomein Who said I hate bjj or other martial art? my point is bjj alone is ineffective has to be complemented with other styles. in a street fight one for one or two to one what makes a bjj fighter? leads them to the ground? of course not, thats my point, bjj its for competition not sel defense.one more thing, hardly bjj fighters win judo fighters in the ground the Gracie family can confirm it. all martial arts have strengths and weaknesses, bjj figthers dont learn to kick or punch
JPPCVL 2 months ago
for those do not know the bjj born from jjj, ground fighting is only one element of the train in jjj, in bjj only ground figthing is trained, as @metalbullitt said: " For competition go BJJ, for real life go JJJ" .i practice JJJ and we train ground fighting for fun or for tournaments in which the fight could end up on the floor.
JPPCVL 2 months ago
bjj is boring
sadako36 2 months ago
@sadako36 but highly effective! ;)
21Seraphim 2 months ago
@21Seraphim tell it to Sakuraba...huh?
sadako36 2 months ago
BJJ doesn't teach strikes, which is really quite essential. If you want it to work for real, practice karate or kickboxing together with BJJ.
RsGhost1 2 months ago
The sweep at 3:40 should have come at 0:08. Purple belt..?
LateBjart 4 months ago
JJJ is better for a street fight for a ring or a cage most people say BJJ is better but u cant tell which is better because there both so good
Worldwiderecorders 5 months ago
Either the guy filming was in his own grappling fight or he should get checked for parkinsons ASAP.
4c00h 5 months ago 14
These g uys are not good at all. The BJJ guys is terrible. He is doing nothing nothing from the guard and the JJJ guy is giving him so many openings. This is white bellt BJJ
BushidoCode72 5 months ago
0:07 ---> Antonio Nunes on the ground!!! lol
KovarD 5 months ago
Horrível!!!
myttttos 5 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel what are you saying?
shintogunjin 6 months ago
terrible filming
shearfitnutritionuk 6 months ago
Brazilian jiu jitsu is far more effective than traditional jiu jitsu.
BluePittbull666 8 months ago
@BluePittbull666 i would have to disagree simply because BJJ focuses more on ground fighting and JJJ incorporates strikes, standing joint locks and ground fighting... but im only 16 and havent been taking JJJ for very long and being that its my displine that might influence my judgement, feel free to correct since i dont know much about BJJ and could be wrong
ffireball88 8 months ago
@BluePittbull666 Thats an extremely biased opinion.. being that I come from a Muay Thai background (I train and instruct) as a WHOLE JJJ is the most affective art in a REAL combat situation. BJJ want to take a fight to the ground while JJJ want to end it before it reaches the ground. BJJ doesn't include striking, wrist or finger locks, nor does it incorporate pressure point fighting... JJJ is all of this and more. For competition go BJJ, for real life go JJJ. I'll be starting JJJ this month.
metalbullitt 8 months ago 2
@metalbullitt AMEN TO THAT!
813Geane 2 months ago
@metalbullitt I spent 2 years training JJJ with a 3rd Degree Black Belt, and it inspired my love of BJJ, but from everything I have seen, only the escapes from holds are truly practical for the street.
Bignumberz 2 months ago
@Bignumberz Well I can't really say you're wrong or that you're right. I'm going on my 6th month with sensei Mark Jordan (6th Degree) and everything I've learned is tried and true through his sparring with different martial artists. I'm under the Bushido school, not sure who you've studied with or under. There is absolutely no debating that BJJ is much more fun than JJJ but I'm not doing it for the fun, I'm learning it for survival.
metalbullitt 2 months ago
And as far as only the escapes being practical; JJJ is basically a 95% submission martial art, a martial art that fathered Judo, Aikido AND BJJ so I'm not sure how only our escapes would be affective in a real life altercation when arm bars, kimuras and rear naked chokes were being practiced centuries ago in futile Japan before Brazil ever came to be a modern civilization. I'm not trying to knock BJJ I'm just trying to educate on the history.
metalbullitt 2 months ago
@metalbullitt I think you're trying to say feudal...
Cornyabada 1 month ago
@metalbullitt Good point, but I want to correct something. If you went to feudal japan, you wouldn't see much submission training. The goal wasn't to take the joint to the point where it was about to break/dislocate/etc and hold it there until they submit. It was to shove/pull/force the joint PAST the breaking/dislocating/etc point. The submission stuff came later, when most combat was just street fighting against criminals. They were trained for submission, but it wasn't emphasized as much.
Altonahk 1 month ago
@Altonahk Oh point well taken! but by today's society standards, taking the technique to that extreme would cross over from self defense into assault (In some cases assault with a deadly weapon [your own body if you're a registered black belt]).
metalbullitt 1 month ago
@metalbullitt bjj does have wrist locks, nobody is just ever dumb or retarded enough to get caught in one. it's a fact, bjj has wrist locks.
buakaew88 1 month ago
@buakaew88 You must be a 12 year old boy... You're trying to compare apples to a fucking car........... They're not even in the same REALM of application. When you place someone in a wrist lock its usually dont after a strike or as a finishing move when taking someone to the ground.. My sensei and Grand Master train the LAPD, lmao... You're telling me, wrist and finger manipulations don't work, right? Watch an episode of COPS, sweetheart ; ) dont forget to brush your teeth and say your prayers.
metalbullitt 1 month ago
@metalbullitt
"You're trying to compare apples to a fucking car"
You're right. A cop putting handcuffs on an already subdued criminal is not at all relevant to your previous conversation about actual fighting or "survival" as you say.
afreiden 1 month ago
@afreiden lol.. goodness. Listen bud, I don't need to defend my martial art. If you feel you can take a JJJ student down with your BJJ then by all means, our dojo is open to your challenge..
metalbullitt 1 month ago
@metalbullitt
"Listen budI"
I only pointed out how bad your analogy was. I said nothing about BJJ vs. JJJ.
However...
"only the escapes from holds are truly practical for the street."
I disagree.
"f you feel you can take a JJJ student down with your BJJ then by all means, our dojo is open to your challenge.."
What kind've challenge are you referring to, since I said nothing about challenging you.. ? swordfighting?
afreiden 1 month ago
@afreiden Sooo are you a professional douche bag or do you just do it on your spare time?
An analogy and its relevance is relative to one's experience.
metalbullitt 1 month ago
@metalbullitt LOL You complain about an "extremely biased opinion" and then give a biased opinion of your own. The most effective art for combat is no specific art but a background of training in several styles or systems. JJJ has weaknesses in it just like any other martial art. Special Forces units around the world learn BJJ as apart of their hand to hand training along with other fighting systems.
josh808m 3 weeks ago
@josh808m I'm not going to sit here and argue with anyone.. Japanese Jujitsu fathered Judo, Aikido AND Brazilian Jiujitsu. It is a complete fighting system (Not a singular focus). Next thing you'll say is that MMA fighters are real boxers.........
metalbullitt 2 weeks ago
@BluePittbull666 to be honest i love them both and both of them are effective you should study both trust me bjj is not just for competition it is effective and that is why it is teach but jjj is also good but it is only good for standing up each has it own, study both to be the best and tell blue pitbull that it is all good all of it came from jujitsu all bjj is more experts that is all.
shintogunjin 7 months ago
@BluePittbull666 "in your opinion."
JJJBuzzsaw 6 months ago
Its good to see some people having a grown up forum on youtube, not bitching.
only1sausage 8 months ago
Why is a JJJ fighter goin in a grapple match? It has got amazing stand up!
wwe904 8 months ago
Anyone who does traditional Jujutsu would not engage in a pathetic show fight like this .
BJJ is total shit
MrDontstareitsrude 9 months ago
BJJ is the best.. !!!!
TucanoTuca 9 months ago
You can tell the bjj guy. He's the one flopping on his ass. Don't try that in a real fight, kids. You'll get punched in the face.
blastermitch 9 months ago
@blastermitch
Actually, BJJ is efficient 1 on 1 but if you even think theres a chance one or more of his friends may come help kick your ass it doesn't matter if your a black belt in bjj or jjj, your best bet will be to run.
XxWarArtistxX 9 months ago
@XxWarArtistxX In general, you don't want to be on your back in ANY fight situation because of the obvious risk to being punched in the face. It's that simple.
blastermitch 9 months ago
@blastermitch
90% of fights end up on the ground, if your in BJJ and took the guy to the ground you could choke him out, break an arm or leg and even if you wanted to play it safe you could get the full mount and beat his head in with a rock or your even your own fists. Not to say BJJ is the best for street fighting because personally I believe Krav Maga would be the best for that but if 9 in 10 fights end up on the ground I think it'd be good to be prepared.
XxWarArtistxX 9 months ago
@XxWarArtistxX OK. I should probably tell you a bit about myself first. I have done Judo and Pangration for a few years now. I have also bounced on the door of some of the roughest clubs back home. 90% of street fights DON'T end up on the ground. They end up with one person being knocked to the ground and their head kicked in. SO, give me a solid background in Muay Thai any day over BJJ. My point was BJJ teaches people to flop on their asses in a fight which is not good in the real world.
blastermitch 9 months ago
@blastermitch
Muay Thai is pretty badass in terms of striking for their usage of not only punches and kicks but knees and elbows so I agree with you that I'd prefer that over BJJ in a street fight. Despite your past experiences it doesn't mean that 90% of street fights don't end on the ground because it differs depending on whose fighting and the situation. I like BJJ, I think it's a unique martial art but I plan to take up Muay Thai in the near future anyway to have that striking experience.
XxWarArtistxX 9 months ago
@XxWarArtistxX Thanks for the insight. Like I said, I'm pretty experienced in martial arts. Have been trained in Judo and Pangration for MMA, have done a bit of Muay Thai and boxing; and have friends that are national level fighters and coaches. Feel free to pull guard all you want in a street fight. I'll be the one throwing punches and leg kicks, clinching or throwing people on the ground. Look up Wollongong fights and check the street footage to see where I used to bounce.
blastermitch 9 months ago
@blastermitch
Don't you mean Pankration?
XxWarArtistxX 9 months ago
@XxWarArtistxX It's spelled Pangration in Greek. Americans call it pankration, and I think the rules are slightly different. That said, they change all the time. I've competed where head kicks were allowed, as long as you don't draw blood, and no head strikes were allowed, and then I've had friends compete in Pankration where open palm strikes to the face were allowed. BUT, no, my coach who used to be the national coach says it's spelled Pangration. Have a google and see what you can find.
blastermitch 9 months ago
@blastermitch
You're probably right, I don't know much about it other than a brief history lesson and a basic idea of the fighting style. Unfortunately there are probably many moves that have been lost but they made do with what they knew from artifacts.
XxWarArtistxX 9 months ago
@XxWarArtistxX Read up on it. It's basically MMA, if that's what you're in to. Apparently, when Alexander The Great conquered the world, a lot of what was taught in Pangration was taken up by other cultures. Asians took a lot of the grappling and created jujutsu, and SE Asians (Thais) took a lot of the striking and created Muay Thai. Whether this is true or not, I don't know. Anyway, if I had to pick ONE martial art to do, it would be Pangration because it covers striking and grappling.
blastermitch 9 months ago
A black belt comes faster in JJJ than BJJ. The purple belt is much more experienced.
SyNFuLCreations 9 months ago
I do JJJ or (Japanese Ju Jitsu) and im not in to BJJ but i will never say anyone marshal art is better then another becouse its a marshal art or a (marshal art sport) the sport means founded off marshal arts and made in to a sport of UFC of thing a long them lines but in a street fight last place you want to be it on the floor or on your back so BJJ is good if you end up on the floor or your back your back but dont just take up BJJ take up boxing or a striking marsh art and BJJ
Tattolew 9 months ago
@Tattolew WTF? fail shit bro.. bjj is geting close and grappling em down... if your on the top good, you cansubmit or do whatever.. if you on the bottom you wil still no how to submit!
WoWkiddymage 9 months ago
why the fuck all these jjj guys that fight with bjj guys get so close to them to hold them, why don't just kick them in te head, they will never win in the floor against a bjj guy.
themrpanda1 11 months ago
@themrpanda1 it's a non-striking competition, and do you know anything about Bjj/Jjj? they're mainly non-striking.
theholyone6 10 months ago
@theholyone6 so it's an unffair competition , cause it looks they stick to the bjj rules, and bjj will always win in the floor, but what if you fight in the street against a jjj guy? he kicks you in the head and thros you to the floor knocked down, fuck bjj competition THIS IS REAL LIFE.
themrpanda1 10 months ago
@themrpanda1 dude why are you so angry that JJJ guy lost? WHy do you compare SPORT to fight on the street? Street fight can then take many shapes,bottle smash, eye gouge,groin strike, knife, bullet...this is sport..relax its not life and death...you will not see a guy pull guard in a street fight. JJJ guys must keep practicing agains live resistance to further improve. BJJ guys grapple against real resistance. I do agree that JJJ is more suited for street 100% due to strikes and standing subs
Houseoferebus 10 months ago
@Houseoferebus dude, it's ok. it is just that this competition is unffair...only bjj RULES if they wanna see a good fight they can't use bjj or jjj rules, it is obvious that bjj will always win in the floor
themrpanda1 10 months ago
@themrpanda1 Not excatly no 1 has the right to say bjj will beat jjj on the ground (Vise Versa) it is never the style that decides who wins ( can contribute to it yes ) it all comes down to the indivdual and how they act on the moment so people just stop pointing flaws in other arts and just make the most out of your chosen art. (Houseoferebus dont think this is me diggin at you it gose for every one thx)
kyushinRyuJujitsu 9 months ago 2
@kyushinRyuJujitsu
wrong
go research the origin of mma and how fighters diciplined in single arts faired when they competed against each other. In fact, the only art that could survive coupled only by itself was bjj.
intactGB 8 months ago
@themrpanda1 I prefer not fighting at all in the street.. Stick to the Competitions.
theholyone6 10 months ago
I'm surprised it took the guy 3-4 minutes to realize he could sweep him, and I'm even more surprised I waited all that time.
CentredOne 11 months ago
elevator sweep anyone?
9Rayvik9 11 months ago
@streeteffective who the fuck cares if u can pin me I'll choke you the fuck out in a real fight what pin me three seconds and fights over hahahahaahahahaa nah son u can mount me but I'll roll u and since u don't do bjj u don't have a guard I'll pass to mount ur dumbass wrestling self would try and benchpress me and I'd rip ur fuck ass arm off boo yah !!!!
sharpninjato 1 year ago
This purple belt is shit.
Lejendary2 1 year ago
@Lejendary2 and yet he destroyed the black belt
DSFredBrasil 1 year ago
@DSFredBrasil yeh, really says something about bjj no doubt :)
Only saying the rape could have been worse
Lejendary2 1 year ago
this is pretty much the samething as inviting a MMA fighrter to a boxing match, he has some boxing skills but he won't be able to go with the real boxers
JJJ is so much more than groundplay
normalnamesplz 1 year ago 2
I don't understand, why bjj guy had taken from the beginning the position down (in the guard), and then put his energy to return the situation and take the position over the jjj guy? I thought the position down is more exhausting and energy demanding, you are more limited in this position. It's maybe more smart to try to take the upper position from the beginning? Is any bjj practician can expain?
Alkhazred 1 year ago
@Alkhazred Im a purple belt. My lineage goes Helio>Pedro Sauer>Allen Hopkins. Truefully i dont know much about japanese jujitsu but in brazilian jiujitsu its not desirable to hug the guys head when your on top (so instantly i knew who the brazilian jiujitsu guy was NOT) unless your arm gets stuck there when the guy is attacking. As far as willingly going down and letting the guy in your guard is a matter of personal choice and not a trait of the art.
ralphseanevans 1 year ago
@Alkhazred One reason a person may pull guard is because he is under the realization that this is a grappling tournament and not self defense so its ok to playfully go down to his back. another reason i can think of is he is confident. another being he may not be as good on his feet or would rather skip the stumbling for 5 of the 10 min match and get down to it. When other styles fight bjj guys they are also very reserved so they dont want to commit to anything so its easier..
ralphseanevans 1 year ago
@Alkhazred ...to just let the guy on top so he will be close. Although others like to try to do the take down themselves and not be taken down. In my oppinion this his is more realistic in the aspect of taking the guy down to the ground but isnt in that the time wasted standing up attacking and resisting could have been used to finish the guy. Which in my oppinion is very important too. Thanks for actually being respectfuly inquiring about such a beautiful art.
ralphseanevans 1 year ago
@Alkhazred the guy on top that has his arm around the guy on bottom is utalizing a position i see alot of judo people do. I never seen it lead anywhere though. you cant pass from there. Lets just say if i grapple judo people i expect they will do this even though they never grappled me before. (i think it is expected to be putting alot of pressure on the bottom guy). As far as the bottom guy using more energy than being on top of cross body(side control) or mount... YES. But...
ralphseanevans 1 year ago
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ralphseanevans 1 year ago
@Alkhazred ... But he is using less energy than the guy IN his guard. This is all my opinion. hope it helps
ralphseanevans 1 year ago
@Alkhazred ... But he is using less energy than the guy IN his guard. Although some peoples guard is so good it takes them less energy than many peoples mount. This is all my opinion. hope it helps
ralphseanevans 1 year ago
is there jjj tournaments?
GregSK8Emerica 1 year ago
@GregSK8Emerica i think so
ralphseanevans 1 year ago
Remind me how this is BJJ vs JJJ? It's a BJJ match? It's like how BJJ guys brag about tapping out NCAA wrestlers. Yeah in BJJ you beat the wrestler, now turn aound and wrestle him by NCAA rules and watch your ass get pinned. Everyone does well within in their own rules. If that BJJ guy laid on his back right away in the alley he get stomped into the concrete. JJJ and BJJ are get at what they were designed for.
streeteffective 1 year ago
@streeteffective NCAA wrestler wouldnt pin a bjj guy reguardless of what rules
ralphseanevans 1 year ago
@Mrjustinqqq Heres Andy Hug (Karate, but simply inspirational with his axe kick) watch?v=KltbxRVP0gU. or search andy hug on youtube and its the 3rd video
Lejendary2 1 year ago
@Mrjustinqqq Kung Lee?
Lejendary2 1 year ago
@Mrjustinqqq i think anyone would be terrified haha
Lejendary2 1 year ago
@Mrjustinqqq sick story, kudos to her
Lejendary2 1 year ago
@Mrjustinqqq something like that, but its just way too impractical vs a gun. Can be done but chances of being in a situation like that are negligible + adrenaline, etc (just not worth studying it for a lifetime over something like that).
thats why I just enjoy bjj, fun sport and very practical
Lejendary2 1 year ago
the original jiu jitsu was used to disarm samurai, when there was no more need for this; it became a sport and lost to Judo which was more effective in that situation. judo on average loses to bjj on the mats, a throw isn't as devastating.
Lejendary2 1 year ago
@Mrjustinqqq thing is, kung fu and the original jiu jitsu schools were just libraries of techniques. Techniques without strategy, without direction. Give 10,000 moves to someone and you'll confuse them. Thats why Kano's school defeated the top jiu jitsu schools. He took a handful of moves that he thought were linked (throws) and gave martial artists a direction. From there BJJ evolved as well.
There is also the practicality factor. post 2--->
Lejendary2 1 year ago
@Mrjustinqqq well kung fu is old as fuck, broad as fuck. Lol, there are bazillions of things, just like the original jiu jitsu. It's like people are now discovering moves in brazilian jiu jitsu, only to find out its already been discovered hundreds of years ago.
Lejendary2 1 year ago
@Mrjustinqqq Like I said, don't have to go to kung fu to palm fist someone.
Lejendary2 1 year ago
@Mrjustinqqq bas rutten used the palm strike in pancrase because closed fist was not allowed. Hitting with your palm is not exlusive to one MA either. I hit with my palm and never took any striking next to boxing.
Lejendary2 1 year ago
@Mrjustinqqq but in all seriousness, there are good MAs where you can get concepts, great technique, overall fighting experience from. and shit MAs which trick you into sucking cock and trap you in their arrogance so you never actually get any good.
Lejendary2 1 year ago
@Mrjustinqqq nah, the best MA is a fighter jet :)
Lejendary2 1 year ago
@Mrjustinqqq I've seen plenty owning each other. So what
Lejendary2 1 year ago
This fight have BJJ rules, thats not true. Olther the Brazilian Jiu Jitsoka are in the first round knock out.
mobielappel 1 year ago
If there is no striking this is not JJJ traditional ju jitsu excell in every erea of fighting even illigal techniques true ju jitsu is hard to come by these days since its been distorted with waterd down crap like BJJ
dudesrock2 1 year ago
@dudesrock2 man you should be on your knees thanking bjj seeing how its not only awsome but revived jiujitsu's influence on ppl
MrBum56 1 year ago
you kids and your knife stories, this is fucking sad. Just bring an f-22 if weapons are involved. Fucking faggots trying to feel better about their sport constantly losing to bjj
Lejendary2 1 year ago
All he knows how to do is stall lol. I'm a yellow belt in a JJJ system and I do better than him in my videos.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
Every BJJ video on you tube that starts with a VS is just another insecure propaganda - trying so hard to identify themselves as different to the point of claiming the Japanese didn't teach it to them.
importedinventions 1 year ago
Sorry, i train BJJ in Brazil (im brazilian). I can not understand what the JJJ guy are doing. He don´t try anything!
cesarcaio100 1 year ago
lol @pacific,if you cant BJJ with rules,how are you going to beat it without them? .
yeee941 1 year ago
@yeee941 because without rules and a referee telling you what you can and can't do, ain't it easy to just knee or kick the BJJ guy in the groin when they willingly invite everyone of their opponents to just slide into between their legs in every fight? BJJ is good for MMA, hardly practical for real life street or military combat situations that require CMA (combat martial arts).
importedinventions 1 year ago
@importedinventions It just shows you dont even train,the guard is there for when your put on your back,so you need to sweep or submit them,no i isnt that easy to just knee them in the groin because its "tight" being in the guard,I mean if your thrown on your back you need defense,what ar you gonna do if the bigger guy throws you down? let him take mount? No,pull guard,and sweep him.
yeee941 1 year ago
@yeee941 your reply just shows you you're in denial of what the video itself is showing. BJJ is part of the regiment training in our local MMA school here. Watch the video, from 11 - 14 sec, that motion of pulling someone down with your legs spreading to form the guard is very consistent in BJJ. That "tightness" you refer to doesn't happen until the guard is formed, plenty of time to get kicked or kneed in the groin before then. Seen it in Gym so many times "accidentally landing of course" lol
importedinventions 1 year ago
if a big guy or any guy succeeds to tackle me to the ground, then yes BJJ is then useful. But when people use it as a primary fighting method, on the street with no rules, thinking like a grappler will get you stomped on or killed. Outside the ring, one on one fights is hardly the case. BJJ against multiple threats is an immediate suicide. No matter how great of a grappler you are, it will take too long to finish off an opponent, unless you expect his buddies to wait for you to finish? no...
importedinventions 1 year ago
@importedinventions Hey man ,I've used BJJ in a few situations, the guard has helped me, I guess Im just "lucky" enough,but its all good keep training and doing what your doing bro.
yeee941 1 year ago
almost fell asleep watching this....zzzzzzz
darius789818 1 year ago
@Kayvond77 sankaku jime or what I think they call a triangle in BJJ works on the street, but not if the guy is a monster. I've seen a big guy use it from the ground against another guy that was about his size, but said big guy was put in one by a much lighter guy. They were on concrete, and yeah, he got picked up about 2 feet off the ground and dropped down, and released the hold.
pacificimporters 1 year ago
o.o tts an intresting choke using the gi from rear naked...
uberkidx 1 year ago
judo is a primative form of fighting. It is outdated.
bjjforlifemttosurviv 1 year ago
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@bjjforlifemttosurviv Do you even know what you're talking about? What are you saying? What the fuck.
onixz100 1 year ago
I'm sorry..... but this guy is NOT Japanese Jujutsu. Which Ryu is this guy from?
Most traditional Jujutsuka do not have logo's or lines running down their GI.
Looks like another one of those Karate with some tad grappling wannabe Jujutsu.
I'm a White Belt at my Jujutsu school. And I could've done so much better. Or atleast attempted to pass his guard and not easily get pulled into guard like that in the first place. I have beaten BJJ white belts with ease.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
couldn't the JJ guy (in white gi) just use ezekiel choke right from the start or isn't it that simple?
waldomarek 1 year ago
if u have black belt in brasilian jiu jitsu u can beat anyone.
no matter what other system ur oppenent knows fx judo , thai box , karate , aikido.
u can even beat pro bodybuilders fx jay cutler ect.
BluePittbull666 1 year ago
@BluePittbull666 uh oh.. there we go again :P
waldomarek 1 year ago
@BluePittbull666
Is that why Royce Gracie got beat by a Judoka?
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku
No gracie has been defeated by a judo master.
It's the other way. A gracie beating a judo master.
BJJ is the most effective system in the world.
BluePittbull666 1 year ago
@BluePittbull666
Hahaha I'm afraid you're mistaken.
Royce Gracie was beaten by Hidehiko Yoshida... a Judoka.
Helio Gracie lost to Masahiko Kumra who is a Judoka
And there's tons of videos of Judoka beating BJJ
And I've beaten BJJ myself.
Stop lying to yourself.
BJJ is a good system.. but it's far from the best.
It focuses too much on ground techniques.
Judoka or Jujutsuka throw them and gain dominant positions.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Royce was beaten by Yoshida (up for discussion actually, as the ref stopped the fight thinking Royce was unconscious which he was not) in an MMA fight, not a grappling match.
Kimura was a newaza specialist. A rare sight in modern judo.
Judo is great, but BJJ is king on the ground. You don't see Judoka making it very far in ADCC.
There are videos of high level BJJ competitors like Jacare grappling with high level Judo guys. Jacare puts on a newaza clinic.
Robopencil 1 year ago
@Robopencil
Kosen Judo is not rare in Judo nowadays. Maybe back in the day before Kosen Judo became popular via Kimura and a couple others. And Judoka have won ADCC before.
Either way Royce lost..... Even if he wasn't unconscious it was pretty obvious to me that Royce doesn't like to tap even if he is causing injury. He was clearly beaten, and the ref stopped it to prevent further injury. Luckily the ref was there so Royce could go home that night.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku how many times did royce lose overall?
Krazyazn881 1 year ago
keep in mind it takes a lot longer to go up in rank in bjj . the bjj guy may have trained almost as long as the jjj guy.
dmp762 1 year ago
it's gay how there's no sound bit it's still pretty sick thx for the vid
xflybabyflyx 1 year ago
yeeeeeehh
karimares1 1 year ago
It's all JJJ.
"BJJ" is at best a local (Brazilian) expression of Kodokan judo. Maeda sensei was a kodokan yondan when he went to Brasil. No other "jiujitsu" license.
I always wonder if the brothers actually "passed up" their teacher Maeda ... who had over 1000 no-holds-barred fights back in the day apparently and it was he who applied his judo (kano jiujutsu) to this context.
More likely Maeda sensei is the genius behind BJJ.
shinjukool 1 year ago
is that shidoshi agusto???
manpatilla 2 years ago
no , that is not shidoshi augusto
caetanoerik 2 years ago
youd have to laugh at the bjj lad imitating jacare like that as if he actually performed well.He was useless to take that long to beat someone so uneducated on the ground.He was also lucky the lad didnt know ezekiel from guard
billysue2 2 years ago
ezekiel from guard= Mayflower sweep to mount. thats retarded. Only the newbies try and attack from someones guard.
jyakin 2 years ago
the ezekiel and thrusting choke are 2 of the very few attacks that can work from guard.The flowre or pendulum sweep cant be done unless the hips can pivot and they cant with a tight ezekial
billysue2 2 years ago
It would be handy to know what rules were imposed on the fight that might restrict the JJJ man from performing here. If none then as a JJJ 3rd dan myself then i could think of a whole range of things that he should have known but didnt use.
martincur 2 years ago
I box & do JJJ & BJJ I've also done aikido & Judo. My JJJ style is traditional, we do ground work, but most of the strikes are not effective and there are too many, boxing only has six punches but they work. Should we as Jujitsu practitioners incorporate boxing conditioning & strikes?I do & I find it really helps with distance & take downs.
A lot of these chops & eye gouges it must be remembered where developed by Samuria in armor with mail gloves on its a bit different to just fragile hands.
infokemp 2 years ago
@infokemp boxing is a good idea my sencei fused kickboxing and karate for the striking .. :P
thatvideoguy1993 1 year ago
@infokemp ye, of course you should incorporate other styles. do whatever fits you and the circumstances. whenever you're in a fight, would you say 'now i'm going to use boxing' and only limit yourself to x number of punches and no kicking? then when it doesn't work you go 'ok, now i go bjj' and try to drag the guy to the ground and not punc him once in the face?
waldomarek 1 year ago
what sort of comp would it be with no rules,even mma has rules.The problem here is that the lad in white was completely clueless about strategy on the ground,he was against a very average opponent and still got swept like that.
billysue2 2 years ago
u cudnt make a proper decision between the 2 only if the guys were the excat same weight height age experiance etc etc but bjj all the way haha
stottie301 2 years ago
Was not a red/white masters belt. It was a red/white/blue belt, representing the colors of Panama (country of tournament). Just like the yellow and green belt they use to differentiate competitors in Brazil.
BJJonVideo 2 years ago
so why was the guy in the blue gi (BJJ?) wearing a red and white masters belt.
shoulung 2 years ago
Esse papo de dizer que jiu é melhor que judo, lutando nas regras de jiu já era... esse papo é muito tosco. Se for nas regras de judo, o cara de azul perderia. Se fosse regra de boxe..... um boxeardor ganharia..dã.....
baccili 2 years ago
Wow... It's like the black belt didn't even know how to get out of the guard. If I was the purple belt I would've tried the scorpion crunch when the JJJ guy laid in my guard like that.
hexkwondo 3 years ago
barreto que pasa con el baile tribal?
WOLFLEGION2008 3 years ago
JJJ man clearly spent most of his time playing with sticks
kalonjah911 3 years ago
You're an idiot. He lasted for 6 minutes. This proves that JJJ isn't useless, since usually the BJJ guy wins in under 2 minutes.
netisforporn666 3 years ago
No...it proves you didn't understand what you just saw...not only that HE LOST! This is what kills me about "TMA" guys who claim "well I did pretty good considering.." Well..did you when? "No..but.." Then you didn't do well at all...you got your ass handed to you. The BJJ guy had the guard sweep the entire time but decided not to take it...in other words...he was toying with the JJJ guy and then finished the fight when he got tiered of playing
popasmuerf 2 years ago
You are right you must win fights; in a challenge match I would use BJJ but in a streetfight I would box to stun & then use a Judo throw to get them down to KO with a punch. The weakness of Traditional Jujitsu is the emphasis of skill over conditioning in strikes (boxing only has 6 punches but they are effective) what is good JJJ is nerve holds. BJJ & JJJ are complex & effective in some situ if you have conditioning use JJJ for when you can't go to ground for life or death such as eye gouges etc
infokemp 2 years ago
@infokemp Why would you want to use bjj for a street fight, if you get into a street fight and you go to the ground like in bjj then the persons friends woud kill you, most street fights would not be 1 on 1
HLCassidy 1 year ago
@HLCassidy You are right but I did say I would use BJJ only for competition.
For street fighting I would use boxing & stand up strangles from JJJ. Sorry if my message was confusing I was writing quickly but thanks for the advise. I take it on board. Most fights do end up on the ground but they can be won in the stand up phase.
infokemp 1 year ago
@popasmuerf
This guy isn't a TMA.
And this isn't a form of "Japanese Jujutsu"
It's another imposter "JJJ" organization.
The biggest clue is the GI he is wearing.
EVEN traditional Judoka do not wear logo on their GI or GI with big gigantic black stripes.
They wear traditional WHITE GI.
And some Gendai schools even may allow plain BLUE GI.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku
Nah, I think he was a "JJJ" player. My reasoning is:
1.He did'nt have a clue of what to do while in guard
2.He wore a black belt while having no clue what to do in guard
3. that ridiculous looking gi looks like something that would be standard issue for some made up JJJ ryu.
I put "JJJ" in qoutes because now that I think about it...he is probably an exponent of some hokey crappling art slapped together from a bit of poorly understood judo and BJJ. Suff he saw on TV.
popasmuerf 1 year ago
@popasmuerf
That's the point it's not REAL Japanese Jujutsu. It's made up bull.
Japanese Jujutsu should have TRADITIONAL Jujutsu lineage or it's not Japanese Jujutsu.
I train in Jujutsu and I know how to pass guard and i'm a white belt.
We also wear traditional GI... not shit with all that crap on it.
And this makes me angry because they're making Japanese Jujutsu look bad.
This is HORRIBLE... I'm a white belt and I could do so much better.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
technically, the JJJ man should have had a knife hidden in his belt and killed him when they were on the ground, since JJJ is about surviving life-or-death combat with weapons, and BJJ is about winning under controlled conditions.
pacificimporters 2 years ago 6
@pacificimporters needing to rely on weapons in a fist fight means you can't fight lol. Nothing wrong with using weapons, but if a black belt in JJJ needs a weapon to fight a BJJ fighter, then that alone tells you that the JJJ fighter's system is ineffective against a skilled fighter. Plus, it doesn't take a black belt in JJJ to stab someone in a fight...it just takes someone desperate enough not to get tapped out
iMaKeUsHoOk 1 year ago
@iMaKeUsHoOk I'm not arguing that, just saying that there are lots of people that carry small, sharp objects, and will kill you without hesitation if you go the newaza route in a real confrontation.
pacificimporters 1 year ago
@pacificimporters Granted. I heard a story online somewhere that a guy was fighting someone in a bar, and he went to the ground with the dude and started cranking his arm with an armbar. The other guy, out of desperation, pulled out a knife and stabbed the BJJ guy in the ribs several times. Don't know much more about the story, but it wakes people up to reality. However, one other point I want to stress is that there is also a lot of wrist control in BJJ to prevent fishy movements like that
iMaKeUsHoOk 1 year ago
In fact, imagine that you had a knife, and a bjj guy tackles you to the ground and gets you in the mounted position, how can you go for the knife? in fact, any kind of move you make with your arms opens you up for subs like americanas, armbars, etc. The only time I think it's possible for a bjj guy to be winning and the other guy pulls out a knife is if the bjj guy is in guard, in which case the bjj guy still has control. Though I agree with you, I still see problems with most scenarios
iMaKeUsHoOk 1 year ago
@pacificimporters Unless of course the knife is already in his hand, in which case the chances sharply increase he will use it on me. Then, i recommend learning some techniques from Japanese jujutsu on how to disarm the guy. Or taking a sprinting class lol.
iMaKeUsHoOk 1 year ago
@pacificimporters you can use BJJ in the street MORE than japanese jiu jitsu...i have respect for both types but i honestly think japanese jiu jitsu is pretty much judo, and bjj is designed to truly defend yourself with real life situations and control
giovannialvarez 1 year ago
@giovannialvarez I disagree. I like judo but it's pretty much neutered jujutsu, with all the punches, palms, elbows, kicks, foot stomps, nut kicks, flying knees, fishhooks, hair pulling, biting, eye gouging, knife fighting and really vicious chokes and holds and throws removed. BJJ is basically judo, or "Basically Just Judo" as some say, with a heavy emphasis on newaza. Look at some of the BJJ books that are geared towards defense, not MMA - it's Japanese jujutsu, all the way