with all these mind crushing you think yugi would be involed any way since newtype can perdict old types movements they do have the ability to get in there heads, amuro dose all the time,
Even if Scirocco were able to land a mind attack on Heero, Heero would probably recover after an hour to at most a month, because let's face it, Heero Yuy can survive anything.
The O will win the Wing gundam and he does not need to use the so call zero System even though i know what the zero system do but even heero can`t contorl much of the zero system in the show and don`t keep counting on system to win the fight count on to the skills of the of either Scirocco or heero is better
hey wait, for scirocco's mind rape crap, doesn't the pilot need to be a newtype for it to work, you know for there to be a link so it can be successful. otherwise if he isn't a good pilot he's screwed
@omegashinobi yeah, it only works if theyre both newtypes lol. and if heero is newtype i wonder how it could increase his performance + the zero system
Damn it Jerid, you need someone to save your ass AGAIN?! I love the last shot of the O and The only edge Scirocco has is that he is a strong Newtype something Heero has little to no experience fighting. Heero is well trained and has the Zero system but he' still an ordinary oldtype with a freakish computer system. The Zero system could extrapolate enough data to map out Scirocco's movements but I think the hidden hands would catch him off guard...in more ways than one XD
Yeah, I know that, Wing Zero's 'search eye' must have been derived to create Wing's own Search eye, while Shenlong gets a different one called the fighting sight.
the zero system is the future predicting A1 that also can move the suit if it wanted to, as seen in EW
the search eye system is the ms data matching program that shows a full diognostic of the enemy suit,
even those it just encountered like when zechs used it against epyon, when heero was piloting. you could see a diognostic of the epyon even though it wasn't in any true database
@lemmehaviet ho w can he kick sciroccos ass when scirrocco lures relena , sally , noin with his powers to fight for him , heero cant deal with the ladys
Whats with this talk about mind rape. To someone who has master zero system, a newtype's mind rape might just annoy him at best. And I thought that newtypes could only communicate with other newtypes via telepathy.
newtypes have connection with all living things not just other newtypes
and u forget that the person scirocco used the mind rape on was kamille bidan the most powerful newtype ever who could use the energy lost by the deaths of those around him to and turn it into power for zeta to attack scirocco
so just cos heero is strong willed and able to control the zero system doesnt mean he can just shrug off scirocco's mind attacks
Actually since very little is truly known about newtypes no one except maybe Yoshiyuku Tomino could say for sure either way about this, so really everyone is just guessing on this subject. That being said i Believe that Scirocco could mind crush Heero. THe reason i say this is Newtypes are said to have hightened mental awareness. Just because heero cannot sense somthing, and is not aware of it does not mean he can't be affected by it.
I know your comment is a year old but there's nothing that ever stated that Scirocco can't use that on non-newtypes. Unless there's a quote directly from the show, which as I seem to recall, there isn't, then we know nothing about it aside from the fact that he apparently only uses this when REALLY pissed.
@onigojira It is quite simple really, the mind crush thing is a strong newtype disrupting another newtype with his/her own mind, it is only possible when both are newtypes. A non newtype cannot link with a Newtype, therefore cannot receive the "mind crush". If you cannot even establish a link between each other, how can you do anything to the person with your own mind?
When two newtype minds connect the primary thing that happens is a complete understanding of each other. Newtypes can access Oldtype minds just fine, and it is what gives them such an edge over their normal opponents. Reading their moves before they do them. There's no evidence to imply what scirocco did is only something he can do to newtypes. He just got angry and lost control in his death thros n' wiped Kamille's mind, because he's a powerful newtype. That's all there is to it.
=He just got angry and lost control in his death thros n' wiped Kamille's mind, because he's a powerful newtype.=
This only proves that he can only mindrape a newtype when he's in near-death and has a gundam rammed through his gut, considering that the 'Pimp from Jupiter' had many chances, like BEFORE Zeta rammed through his gut to save himself, or Char and Haman for that matter, or 90% of the crew in Radish who didn't die.-_-
I still have many examples in ZZ and Victory to prove you wrong.
Ummm... Newtypes are telepathically connected, that's why Newtypes like Camille is vulnerable to outside forces like Scirocco, meaning that Scirocco can't do anything against Heero who isn't a Newtype. That's why only Quattro(who he thought it was Amuro or Lalah) is the only one who sensed Camille not the entire AEUF force, when he was releasing his NT pressure.
Carozzo is a cyber-Newtype, And the one killed is probably a Newtype, plus his Iron mask is some kind Newtype helmet that makes him better. It was never thoroughly explained since F91 is just a movie, not a series.
I could not agree more, that is the problem with Super humans in the Gundam Universe, New Types or Coordinators, the authors could instantly give them special abilities at will, take Kira, In GSD he never had New Type abilities in GS what's next Super Saiyan 3?, Sure the blonde natural guy had NT powers also but that's beside the point, it's a cheesy way to make a protagonist/antagonist IMO. BTW lol; with the "Mind Rape"
I've always admired the Gundam pilots that don't have special abilities. The 8th team, Kou and Gato, the Wing pilots, there's probably some more that I haven't name. I've always liked those pilots more than the ones who are gifted. This kind of explains why I like Batman so much, eventhough he's "normal" he could give any villian a run for his money
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Think about it this way, if Scirocco could even come close to defeating ZERO with the O, then it only really says that Scirocco is the better pilot, judging that there's nearly a century's time difference between mobile suits...
Not to mention, it's pretty much comparing two different genres, super robot vs. real robot.
I have played many gundams and never I have saved many virtual lives, accomplished missions, defeated hoardes or collosal sized enemies better and efficient than with Heero and Wing Zero, Quit being sour grapes and blaming the zero system for Heero's survival, New types, Coordinators etc are all evolved if not strange new humans! Genetics!! Zero is man/machine evolution! whats the difference? At least Heero is closer to us REAL HUMANS but he learned to stand against ZERO's adverse effects. .
The games favored Wing because it was the then "In" Thing amongst Gundam Fans, seeing as Turn A was basically back-sided for a few reasons and Gundam X was hailed as failure in Japan (despite being the best success that Gundam had for years and would have for years in all reality amongst the more true Gundam Fans).
And I am sticking to my Guns: The F91 used a system similar to the WZC, and was basically superior to the WZC in all ways. The pilot also had superior skill and didn't run Lolhax.
Master Asia could mop the floor with Heero and Wing Zero with or without the ZERO system. He has far more experience and is a much better pilot/fighter than Heero. Seriously, Master Asia is in his 70s!
Don't forget that there are HUGE differences in the cockpit system as well. I'll bet my muffin that Master Asia couldn't be anywhere NEAR as good as he is with a standardized cockpit system(the one where you sit and handle control levers, not the mobile trace system).
Erm, no, actually Plot armor was introduced by G Gundam, but that's because it was a Super Robo Anime with Real Robo Designs.
And yes, Asher is the WORST Char clone. He's so pathetic they almost replaced the "Jerid" meme of calling someone "Jerid" if they sucked heavily at anything.
I Though Chroincle Asher was refer to as "Jerrid Aznable" for being such a bad char clone. I can say anything about G-Gundam since I haven't watch it, but I do know at least some important charcters dies in that show compare to Gundam Wing in which only Trieze was killed. So many Charcters in Wing worth mentioniing on Wikipedia were suppose to die many times yet they keep on living. Examples: Hilde Lady Une Zechs Trowa Heero especially The Mangac Corp Well I think you get it
@KinZaku I disagree. I think Zechs was the nearest clone. He had a similar sister he wore a mask his mobile suit(Tallgeese) is 3x faster than an Aries He tried to drop something He did it for space He lost to the MC he piloted something red(epyon) they were James Blonds the biggest difference is the fact that Zechs lived after the dropping
Actually, the Tallgeese performance level as mentioned in Gundam Wing MS Encyclopedia is to be at 15Gs. it's a bit more over-kill from Char's 3 times faster than a normal Zaku monicker.
Zechs was not the one that was assassinated. He just had some other dude take his name (Milliardo Peacecraft) and THAT was the person that was killed. The real Milliardo escaped beforehand and just used his "Zechs Merquise" alter-ego.
Yeah I know, the one that was assassinated was Noin's cousin. I've been trying to follow the new EW manga the Frozen Teardrop, as well as the 00 manga side-stories last month. The Japan earthquake kinda set me(and everyone else) back a bit, a friend of mine was supposed to go to Japan at the start of March as well.
@omegashinobi I'm pretty Relena is a just a figure head Frozen Teardrop. The real spoilers are that Zechs takes on a "Bajena Quattro" disguise and Wu Fei is a CHAR.
Relena is more than that I think, she seems to have complete control over Mars, and she also had Quattre's sister and Zechs' daughter join her forces.
@KinZaku You're not going to try and tell me with a straight face Ammuro and Kamile didn't have plot armor. The only reason Ammuro didn't die 2nd episode is because he had plot armor. "Oh no, his mobile suit is thick, I could win but it would be too much work! I better run off and hope he doesn't get stronger!" When Zecks dropped Heero into the ocean he left because he thought Heero was dead. Heero was trained and physically enhanced, escaping came easy to him AND he had help. No plot armor.
Is it just me, or does Heero do nothing but go "Target locked, mission accepted, blah blah blah I'm so quiet and cool and emotionless" *buster rifle spammage* Guess the lack of creativity and weapons somewhat make up for the fact that it's overpowered.
I wouldn't call it overpowered. the thing is I see wing pilots (Heero and Zechs) as more as melees fighters as in they could probably beat most other pilots from any other series in straight up beam saber duels but as far as long ranged combat goes they pretty much suck.
Well the gundanium is like stronger than anti-beam coating... it's ridiculous actually... cuz when it blows itself up, the whole exo-skeleton thing is STILL intact.
Actually it's proven Heero's a Gun specialist, not a melee specialist.
And the Wing mecha aren't really that good. You compare it to a VSBR or and post ZZ Mecha that isn't MP, you'd see the Wing Mecha are lacking in power.
well if wing zero(ew or regular) charges up his shots ans shoot, its like a shot from genisus or what ever u spell it from seed. and in endless waltz the movie, they say that wing zero's aim is 100th of a unit, which kinda means 99.9% accurate :s
Are you completely on Weed? Comparing the DBR to Genesis, Which is the EQUIVALENT to a Colony Laser from Z, is like comparing A Toad in size to an Ogre in terms of destructive potential (excluding Tales of Symphonia 2's Nazdrovie).
Accuracy means nothing, enough said.
And btw: The WZ/C is overrated. Throw it up vs the Double X Gundam or Hi-Nu, you'd see it really has crap in terms of fire power.
The Double X officially was meant to work anywhere through use a Satellites in Earth's Atmosphere to transfer the Microwave beam to anywhere on Earth, that argument's not really valid unless you say "Outside of the Orbit of Earth".
I don't think that's the case. I think it might be that they toned down how great of pilots Heero and Zechs really are compared to the way they are in Gundam wing. But i guess the creators waned to even the playing field for the pilots in this game.
Hmm... maybe I didn't make myself clear... Heero. Is. An. Emo. FAG. Oh yes I did. I don't know why saying that automatically makes you think I pilot gundams and think I want to do a better job. Or perhaps you must only be a fan of Wing and haven't seen better characters. Heero is incredibly boring and predictable compared to a LOT of the main characters in the Gundam universe.
i dont know much about the mind power thing ppl are talkin about but i dont u think that would be cheating using that kind of power using gundams coz then y use giant robots i u have powers im not a fan boy of wing but i still think wing has one of the best pilots in the gundam history coz well they only rely on their piloting skills and their gundam nd they dont have powers but they can still take down thousands of enemies hope what i just posted make sense nd dont offend any1 peace out ppl
I'd say The O would win this one, hands down. All Scirocco has to do to win is use his powers to crush and destroy Heero's mind. With Heero's mind destroyed, the Wing Zero would just fall to the ground lifelessly. The Zero System can't save Heero from Scirocco's wrath (heck, not even the almighty Biosensor saved Kamille from Scirocco's powers!).
Or if Scirocco doesn't crush Heero's mind, he is still a much more skilled pilot than Heero, so he'd still win.
Yeah, if a strong Newtype like Kamille can get his mind destroyed, a regular human mind like Heero's would be shattered, and with no chance of recovering like Kamille.
and doesn't scirroco have to be close and actually be in physical contact with the mobile suit for the mind crush to even work...the only reason why kamile rammed him was cause he had no more beam weopons, otherwise he's just blast him with a super charged beam cannon and kill him with his mind intact
but don't you think thats kinda cheap....personally i think thats the one of the only 2 main reason why people say he's one of the best, the first is the hidden arms in The O
I got the impression he could only do it to newtypes. So really, Heero has a fair chance.
The O has a lot of agility, but even its armor wouldn't help. Two or three blasts from wing zero'd take it out. However, with its multiple arms it could easily destroy Zero in close combat. Without his mindcrush, which isn't really that effective half the time, it's a fairly even match.
IIRC, Scirocco only tried to brainzap Haman and Kamille, both Newtypes. Haman fought back, and Kamille gets fried because he didn't know what was going on.
Now, if a Newtype, with superior mental power, can get his mind crushed, I'd imagine it would be easier to zap an Oldtype.
heero would win if he keeps his distance but with mind crush scrocco would win but scirocco is too cocky too even try because he knows heero isnt a newtype
true but at the same time affter the Zero system and all that Hero has one powerful mind to crush. Kamile recovers from it at the end. My vote is Hero if he had The wing Zero not just the wing =/
Zero's More Advance and The O is just too Slow. And Heero is not afraid to die he'll take Scirocco with him too hell. The O is a slow turtle even the RX 78 can beat it
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Actually, it isn't really wise to call The O "a slow turtle" without doing research on its specs first. Here are both the WIng Zero's and The O's maximum propulsions:
Wing Zero: 88000 kg
The O: 185400 kg
As you can see here, The O's speed is more than twice that of the Wing Zero's.
And as for who's more advanced, I'll just say that The O's Biosensor is much more advanced than anything the Gundam Wing universe has to offer. ;D
Wing Zero's Rocket thrusters can go up to 88150 kg total and it's empty weight is 8 tons(rough estimate of max weight is 14-16 tons)
The O's Rocket thrusters can go up to 38200 kg Total but it also has 6 vernier thrusters which can go up to 16200 kg each for added Maneuverability and speed, but to compensate for more verniers, The O's weight is a whooping total of 86.3 tons. Don't make stuff up.
But WZ beats the O in speed and Maneuverability since it has 360 degrees of thrust vectoring.
The Biosensor is an improved psycommu system which Newtypes uses, The After Colony universe doesn't have anything remotely similar to the Bio-sensor because you know, they don't have any Newtypes >.> hardly worth making the Bio-sensor there.
Mobile doll system, ALICE Mk II(easter egg), PX System, ZERO System.
I don't really like him much. He hasn't yet learned the value of life and junk... Sure Heero hasn't either. But Heero wants to save the planet, atleast.... X3
How about this, instead of whining like 360 and PS3 fanboys about who can beat what and why, watch the video, appreciate the cinematic effects, buy the game, play it and shut up!
here if you want it more detailed they were baically customized or redesigned(i dont really know anymore since dou said "its like customizing a sports car but in the movie it shows the customized versions in the final episode
Well on your comments form 2week ago when your replying to bambam101 you said "wtf? dark gundam? and what about zero custom?" I thought you was one of them obsessed fanboy who thinks that winf0custom is stronger than wing0 =P
It was just a different art style the artists wanted to take. It's not necessarily stronger, but it may be more responsive or whatever- like a customized car.
I've played Mobile Suit Gundam- Gundam Vs. Zeta gundam on the PS2, and I can easily say that The O is a really tough mobile suit to destroy. In the anime, the only reason Kamille could kill Scirocco was because the souls of the people important to Kamille helped power his Z gundam up. If that hadn't happened, Scirocco could've pwned Kamille.
they really under powered wing zeros buster rifle at full power it could have complete disintegrated Sciroccos the O
epyon102 5 months ago
with all these mind crushing you think yugi would be involed any way since newtype can perdict old types movements they do have the ability to get in there heads, amuro dose all the time,
negima47 7 months ago
Even if Scirocco were able to land a mind attack on Heero, Heero would probably recover after an hour to at most a month, because let's face it, Heero Yuy can survive anything.
Zindakku 10 months ago
PS--Wing Zero>The O
ryumancer 10 months ago
Why does Jerid have the Mk II? Shouldn't he be in the Byalant or the Baund Doc? Jerid didn't even have the Mk II for a full episode in the series.
ryumancer 10 months ago
How bout an english translation?
williamhowe1 11 months ago
Shoot... I was waiting for Heero to transform the Wing Zero into Bird Mode and ram The O. =P
InfinitySZ 1 year ago
The O will win the Wing gundam and he does not need to use the so call zero System even though i know what the zero system do but even heero can`t contorl much of the zero system in the show and don`t keep counting on system to win the fight count on to the skills of the of either Scirocco or heero is better
KohChian1 1 year ago
@KohChian1 its Wing Zero dude... Wing gundam is different.... plus heero is a better pilot
BlackHiryu 1 year ago
Um... This is the clip from Jerid's story mode right?
Have you got the clip where he actually gets his revenge from Cammile?
(if you have played up to here, you should know as Jerid you have beaten such characters as Domon)
joarng 1 year ago
hey wait, for scirocco's mind rape crap, doesn't the pilot need to be a newtype for it to work, you know for there to be a link so it can be successful. otherwise if he isn't a good pilot he's screwed
omegashinobi 1 year ago
Yeah, I agree on that, since Newtypes are more sensitive to each other than oldtypes.
portablemp5 1 year ago
@omegashinobi yeah, it only works if theyre both newtypes lol. and if heero is newtype i wonder how it could increase his performance + the zero system
amatsuka11 11 months ago
the O dont have any chance for zero. the tbr can move while shooting
amatsuka11 1 year ago
And the O stands rooted? Please, keep your wing-tardism to yourself.
EmaEiishi 1 year ago
Damn it Jerid, you need someone to save your ass AGAIN?! I love the last shot of the O and The only edge Scirocco has is that he is a strong Newtype something Heero has little to no experience fighting. Heero is well trained and has the Zero system but he' still an ordinary oldtype with a freakish computer system. The Zero system could extrapolate enough data to map out Scirocco's movements but I think the hidden hands would catch him off guard...in more ways than one XD
Karlwootwoot 2 years ago
nah the wing zero has the search eye system, that lets it know all the weopons on an opponents MS, so i think he'll see that coming eather way
omegashinobi 2 years ago 7
hell even wing gundam has them.......
remember the infamous Duo and Heero vs Quatre trowa?
christlubas 1 year ago
Actually Wing Zero's Search Eye is a combination of Wing's Search Eye and Shenlong's Fighting Sight.
portablemp5 1 year ago
Actually they are based off Wing Zero.
remember Wing Zero actually came before them in a blue print and the 5 gundams were based off him remember?
christlubas 1 year ago
Yeah, I know that, Wing Zero's 'search eye' must have been derived to create Wing's own Search eye, while Shenlong gets a different one called the fighting sight.
portablemp5 1 year ago
@omegashinobi
sorry but don't you mean the "zero system"?
altermarvin21 1 year ago
@altermarvin21 no
the zero system is the future predicting A1 that also can move the suit if it wanted to, as seen in EW
the search eye system is the ms data matching program that shows a full diognostic of the enemy suit,
even those it just encountered like when zechs used it against epyon, when heero was piloting. you could see a diognostic of the epyon even though it wasn't in any true database
omegashinobi 1 year ago
When did Heero become ordinary? As a 7-year old, Heero has done incredible feats on foot that can make Shiro Amada jealous.
Missmecha 2 years ago 5
Scirocco will ruin that bishounen day... oh wait, he'll prolly put him in a gg gas capsule. good bye heero.... :)
EmaEiishi 2 years ago
scirroco would ruin emo boy heros day
JSuelto1 2 years ago
Are you kidding me? Heero would rip scirroco's hair our of the O from wing zero
lemmehaviet 2 years ago 3
@lemmehaviet Heero would wet his short shorts and commit emo suicide
JSuelto1 2 years ago
Actually no he wouldent he would kick scirocco's ass and if he did commit suicide he wouldeve killed him also
lemmehaviet 2 years ago 3
@lemmehaviet ho w can he kick sciroccos ass when scirrocco lures relena , sally , noin with his powers to fight for him , heero cant deal with the ladys
JSuelto1 2 years ago
lol i like it how you sat that
lemmehaviet 2 years ago
I was pretty sure the women fought AGAINST Scirocco, not the other way around.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
even if he commits sucide, he still lives anyway and Zechs is here so he will probably fix the Gundamn
christlubas 1 year ago
why is scirocco fighting jerid?
daryljoseph777 2 years ago
Scirocco is together with ZZ's Judau and Roux
manuk51a 2 years ago
the guy in the black gundam, why does his voice reminds me of kakashi's?
raptros 2 years ago
Same Voice Actor dude: Kazuhiko Inoue. He also voiced "The Man whose name we do not deserve to know". :P
TheBlacknoah 2 years ago
that explains it thanks.
raptros 2 years ago
Thats just koei being lazy and not putting it into the next level.
Narutofan2099 2 years ago
Why is jerid always geting owned!
Narutofan2099 2 years ago 2
Because hes an idiot whos always at the wrong place at the complete wrong time.
ryumancer 2 years ago
Char can't own him on Operation Apollo I believe, just by Kamille.
portablemp5 2 years ago
Because he's always forced into the Gundam Mk II, which is a piece of trash! If he were in the Baund Doc he'd own pretty much everyone!
TheAstonishingJosh 2 years ago
Gundam Mk II Is a Great Gundam Its Just Being Run by a Fucked up Crappy Pilot
Phenomenalhardy 2 years ago
What exactly are you saying?
TheAstonishingJosh 2 years ago
Are you saying Jerid is a bad pilot?
TheAstonishingJosh 2 years ago
Whats with this talk about mind rape. To someone who has master zero system, a newtype's mind rape might just annoy him at best. And I thought that newtypes could only communicate with other newtypes via telepathy.
Linky56 2 years ago 3
newtypes have connection with all living things not just other newtypes
and u forget that the person scirocco used the mind rape on was kamille bidan the most powerful newtype ever who could use the energy lost by the deaths of those around him to and turn it into power for zeta to attack scirocco
so just cos heero is strong willed and able to control the zero system doesnt mean he can just shrug off scirocco's mind attacks
twotonesamurai 2 years ago
But There is only a Potential that He Could Just Shrug it off and Anyways Scirocco Needs to be Close in order to DO he's Famous Mind Attack
Phenomenalhardy 2 years ago
i wasnt saying he could i was disagreeing with the idea that heero would be able to shrug of scirrocco's mind rape attack
and we dont actually know that for sure he may be able to use it at long range but we will never know as he died the first time he used it
twotonesamurai 2 years ago
Scirocco can't do the mind crush on Heero, seeing as Heero isn't even a Newtype, then there is no Newtype connection.
portablemp5 2 years ago 21
Actually since very little is truly known about newtypes no one except maybe Yoshiyuku Tomino could say for sure either way about this, so really everyone is just guessing on this subject. That being said i Believe that Scirocco could mind crush Heero. THe reason i say this is Newtypes are said to have hightened mental awareness. Just because heero cannot sense somthing, and is not aware of it does not mean he can't be affected by it.
ZeonicL 2 years ago
@portablemp5 He won't have enough time anyway due to being overkilled to the soul and crushed in hell by that TBR.
christlubas 1 year ago
@portablemp5
I know your comment is a year old but there's nothing that ever stated that Scirocco can't use that on non-newtypes. Unless there's a quote directly from the show, which as I seem to recall, there isn't, then we know nothing about it aside from the fact that he apparently only uses this when REALLY pissed.
onigojira 8 months ago
@onigojira It is quite simple really, the mind crush thing is a strong newtype disrupting another newtype with his/her own mind, it is only possible when both are newtypes. A non newtype cannot link with a Newtype, therefore cannot receive the "mind crush". If you cannot even establish a link between each other, how can you do anything to the person with your own mind?
daemon1129 8 months ago
@daemon1129
When two newtype minds connect the primary thing that happens is a complete understanding of each other. Newtypes can access Oldtype minds just fine, and it is what gives them such an edge over their normal opponents. Reading their moves before they do them. There's no evidence to imply what scirocco did is only something he can do to newtypes. He just got angry and lost control in his death thros n' wiped Kamille's mind, because he's a powerful newtype. That's all there is to it.
onigojira 8 months ago
@onigojira
===Newtypes can access Oldtype minds just fine, and it is what gives them such an edge over their normal opponents.===
I'm calling your BS right now.
====There's no evidence to imply what scirocco did is only something he can do to newtypes. =====
He only did it once, on a newtype. He never did it again. therefore it's an outlier.-_-
Considering that you started this BS and making claims without any evidence, burden of proof is on you.
portablemp5 7 months ago
@on
=He just got angry and lost control in his death thros n' wiped Kamille's mind, because he's a powerful newtype.=
This only proves that he can only mindrape a newtype when he's in near-death and has a gundam rammed through his gut, considering that the 'Pimp from Jupiter' had many chances, like BEFORE Zeta rammed through his gut to save himself, or Char and Haman for that matter, or 90% of the crew in Radish who didn't die.-_-
I still have many examples in ZZ and Victory to prove you wrong.
portablemp5 7 months ago
@portablemp5 I always thought Henker screwed over 100% of the Radish's crew at the end of Zeta.
aliastheabnormal 7 months ago
@portablemp5 I thumbed you up just because you said Pimp from Jupiter........
alchoholicsementhful 6 months ago
@onigojira
And there's nothing that ever stated that Scirocco can do that on non-newtypes either.-_-
Unless Scirocco ever mindraped an Oldtype on the show, burden of proof is on you.
portablemp5 7 months ago
Ummm... Newtypes are telepathically connected, that's why Newtypes like Camille is vulnerable to outside forces like Scirocco, meaning that Scirocco can't do anything against Heero who isn't a Newtype. That's why only Quattro(who he thought it was Amuro or Lalah) is the only one who sensed Camille not the entire AEUF force, when he was releasing his NT pressure.
Missmecha 2 years ago 3
well what about iron mask who killed a non-newtype with his mind?
red9x00 2 years ago
Carozzo is a cyber-Newtype, And the one killed is probably a Newtype, plus his Iron mask is some kind Newtype helmet that makes him better. It was never thoroughly explained since F91 is just a movie, not a series.
Missmecha 2 years ago 2
I could not agree more, that is the problem with Super humans in the Gundam Universe, New Types or Coordinators, the authors could instantly give them special abilities at will, take Kira, In GSD he never had New Type abilities in GS what's next Super Saiyan 3?, Sure the blonde natural guy had NT powers also but that's beside the point, it's a cheesy way to make a protagonist/antagonist IMO. BTW lol; with the "Mind Rape"
StrafeBreaker 2 years ago
I've always admired the Gundam pilots that don't have special abilities. The 8th team, Kou and Gato, the Wing pilots, there's probably some more that I haven't name. I've always liked those pilots more than the ones who are gifted. This kind of explains why I like Batman so much, eventhough he's "normal" he could give any villian a run for his money
Linky56 2 years ago
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Think about it this way, if Scirocco could even come close to defeating ZERO with the O, then it only really says that Scirocco is the better pilot, judging that there's nearly a century's time difference between mobile suits...
Not to mention, it's pretty much comparing two different genres, super robot vs. real robot.
Magbiy 2 years ago
not really, they have around the same tech
omegashinobi 2 years ago
I have played many gundams and never I have saved many virtual lives, accomplished missions, defeated hoardes or collosal sized enemies better and efficient than with Heero and Wing Zero, Quit being sour grapes and blaming the zero system for Heero's survival, New types, Coordinators etc are all evolved if not strange new humans! Genetics!! Zero is man/machine evolution! whats the difference? At least Heero is closer to us REAL HUMANS but he learned to stand against ZERO's adverse effects. .
StrafeBreaker 2 years ago 4
The games favored Wing because it was the then "In" Thing amongst Gundam Fans, seeing as Turn A was basically back-sided for a few reasons and Gundam X was hailed as failure in Japan (despite being the best success that Gundam had for years and would have for years in all reality amongst the more true Gundam Fans).
And I am sticking to my Guns: The F91 used a system similar to the WZC, and was basically superior to the WZC in all ways. The pilot also had superior skill and didn't run Lolhax.
KatomaMundara 2 years ago
Master Asia could mop the floor with Heero and Wing Zero with or without the ZERO system. He has far more experience and is a much better pilot/fighter than Heero. Seriously, Master Asia is in his 70s!
gamester512 2 years ago 4
Gonna die in ten plus years due to age
christlubas 2 years ago
Don't forget that there are HUGE differences in the cockpit system as well. I'll bet my muffin that Master Asia couldn't be anywhere NEAR as good as he is with a standardized cockpit system(the one where you sit and handle control levers, not the mobile trace system).
StriderX4 2 years ago
If was Cazzaro Rohah is in the O instead of Scirocco, his newtype powers will make Heero drop dead in an instance.
KinZaku 3 years ago
Too bad Heero has has Zero System to save his day!!!!
Scirocco (Very Cool Evil Manipulator)>>>> Iron Mask (One of the worst Char Clones in History)
wwwingzerooo 2 years ago
Oh yeah, Heero. First character to introduce plot armor to the Gundam series on it's first few episodes.
Chronicle Asher takes the tile for worst Char clone from Victory Gundam. Harry Ord from Turn A would be the best.
KinZaku 2 years ago 15
Erm, no, actually Plot armor was introduced by G Gundam, but that's because it was a Super Robo Anime with Real Robo Designs.
And yes, Asher is the WORST Char clone. He's so pathetic they almost replaced the "Jerid" meme of calling someone "Jerid" if they sucked heavily at anything.
KatomaMundara 2 years ago
KinZaku 2 years ago
Right Especial Mention Zechs/Miliardo
christlubas 2 years ago
christlubas 1 year ago
@christlubas
Actually, the Tallgeese performance level as mentioned in Gundam Wing MS Encyclopedia is to be at 15Gs. it's a bit more over-kill from Char's 3 times faster than a normal Zaku monicker.
portablemp5 1 year ago
@portablemp5 Well they said it(3x Reference although it might just be a figure of speech)
christlubas 1 year ago
@christlubas
Actually in Frozen Teardrop...
SPOILERS
Zechs was the Mars president and was assasinated by a person name Trowa Phobos(not Trowa Barton).
portablemp5 1 year ago
@portablemp5 ANOTHER SPOILER
Zechs was not the one that was assassinated. He just had some other dude take his name (Milliardo Peacecraft) and THAT was the person that was killed. The real Milliardo escaped beforehand and just used his "Zechs Merquise" alter-ego.
ryumancer 11 months ago
@ryumancer
Yeah I know, the one that was assassinated was Noin's cousin. I've been trying to follow the new EW manga the Frozen Teardrop, as well as the 00 manga side-stories last month. The Japan earthquake kinda set me(and everyone else) back a bit, a friend of mine was supposed to go to Japan at the start of March as well.
portablemp5 10 months ago
@ryumancer and hereis ANOTHER NOTHER SPOILER
RELENA IS OFFICIALLY A CHAR.....or in this case A ZECHS!!!!!!
omegashinobi 10 months ago
@omegashinobi I'm pretty Relena is a just a figure head Frozen Teardrop. The real spoilers are that Zechs takes on a "Bajena Quattro" disguise and Wu Fei is a CHAR.
ChaosZack08 2 months ago
@ChaosZack08
Relena is more than that I think, she seems to have complete control over Mars, and she also had Quattre's sister and Zechs' daughter join her forces.
portablemp5 1 month ago
@KinZaku You're not going to try and tell me with a straight face Ammuro and Kamile didn't have plot armor. The only reason Ammuro didn't die 2nd episode is because he had plot armor. "Oh no, his mobile suit is thick, I could win but it would be too much work! I better run off and hope he doesn't get stronger!" When Zecks dropped Heero into the ocean he left because he thought Heero was dead. Heero was trained and physically enhanced, escaping came easy to him AND he had help. No plot armor.
malkura90210 1 year ago
@KinZaku I think Zechs is the best Char clone.
ryumancer 11 months ago
Actually, that was more like Jerid vs. Scirocco. Heero only appeared right at the end of the vid.
gundamfan527 3 years ago
zero owns all!
kneesan 3 years ago 4
Is it just me, or does Heero do nothing but go "Target locked, mission accepted, blah blah blah I'm so quiet and cool and emotionless" *buster rifle spammage* Guess the lack of creativity and weapons somewhat make up for the fact that it's overpowered.
DemonProjectionist 3 years ago 3
I wouldn't call it overpowered. the thing is I see wing pilots (Heero and Zechs) as more as melees fighters as in they could probably beat most other pilots from any other series in straight up beam saber duels but as far as long ranged combat goes they pretty much suck.
qpitty 3 years ago
Well the gundanium is like stronger than anti-beam coating... it's ridiculous actually... cuz when it blows itself up, the whole exo-skeleton thing is STILL intact.
DemonProjectionist 3 years ago 2
Actually it's proven Heero's a Gun specialist, not a melee specialist.
And the Wing mecha aren't really that good. You compare it to a VSBR or and post ZZ Mecha that isn't MP, you'd see the Wing Mecha are lacking in power.
KatomaMundara 3 years ago
well if wing zero(ew or regular) charges up his shots ans shoot, its like a shot from genisus or what ever u spell it from seed. and in endless waltz the movie, they say that wing zero's aim is 100th of a unit, which kinda means 99.9% accurate :s
rthdshtr 3 years ago
Are you completely on Weed? Comparing the DBR to Genesis, Which is the EQUIVALENT to a Colony Laser from Z, is like comparing A Toad in size to an Ogre in terms of destructive potential (excluding Tales of Symphonia 2's Nazdrovie).
Accuracy means nothing, enough said.
And btw: The WZ/C is overrated. Throw it up vs the Double X Gundam or Hi-Nu, you'd see it really has crap in terms of fire power.
KatomaMundara 3 years ago 2
Double X, yes if the moon's out. Otherwise, it kinda lacks the strength or performance of Hi-Nu, V2, F91 or 00.
Enderesonix 2 years ago
The Double X officially was meant to work anywhere through use a Satellites in Earth's Atmosphere to transfer the Microwave beam to anywhere on Earth, that argument's not really valid unless you say "Outside of the Orbit of Earth".
KatomaMundara 2 years ago
Or if it's daytime. Since the Wing boys have at least some ideas about tactics, they might pick up on that.
Might.
Maybe.
They won't, will they?
Enderesonix 2 years ago
I don't think that's the case. I think it might be that they toned down how great of pilots Heero and Zechs really are compared to the way they are in Gundam wing. But i guess the creators waned to even the playing field for the pilots in this game.
Vergil14 3 years ago
and you think you'd do a better job?
lollerz111 3 years ago
Hmm... maybe I didn't make myself clear... Heero. Is. An. Emo. FAG. Oh yes I did. I don't know why saying that automatically makes you think I pilot gundams and think I want to do a better job. Or perhaps you must only be a fan of Wing and haven't seen better characters. Heero is incredibly boring and predictable compared to a LOT of the main characters in the Gundam universe.
DemonProjectionist 3 years ago 3
i dont know much about the mind power thing ppl are talkin about but i dont u think that would be cheating using that kind of power using gundams coz then y use giant robots i u have powers im not a fan boy of wing but i still think wing has one of the best pilots in the gundam history coz well they only rely on their piloting skills and their gundam nd they dont have powers but they can still take down thousands of enemies hope what i just posted make sense nd dont offend any1 peace out ppl
jjlupas11 3 years ago
So hard to find this game in stores now a days. I just want to play this before the 2nd one comes out.
DarkFlip22 3 years ago
if scirocco could mind fry at will wouldn't he just do that and not fight at all
sentinelHeeroz 3 years ago
If you brushed up on your terms you would no heero would win or do i have to explain it
serenestateofmind 3 years ago
Go ahead and try to explain. Heero worshippers are always a laugh.
AlteisenZeta 3 years ago
I'd say The O would win this one, hands down. All Scirocco has to do to win is use his powers to crush and destroy Heero's mind. With Heero's mind destroyed, the Wing Zero would just fall to the ground lifelessly. The Zero System can't save Heero from Scirocco's wrath (heck, not even the almighty Biosensor saved Kamille from Scirocco's powers!).
Or if Scirocco doesn't crush Heero's mind, he is still a much more skilled pilot than Heero, so he'd still win.
mahoshojo03 3 years ago
Yeah, if a strong Newtype like Kamille can get his mind destroyed, a regular human mind like Heero's would be shattered, and with no chance of recovering like Kamille.
AlteisenZeta 3 years ago
damn newtype uber hax
achilles20049 3 years ago
wait sense the wing zero can self activate it would probably take over and fight on its own....that would be intresting
btw am i the ONLY guy here that thinks scirroco's mind crush in a BIT cheap
and besides kamile and heero are just about even plus the wing zero is stronger than the zeta without biosenser so heero might actually win
omegashinobi 3 years ago
and doesn't scirroco have to be close and actually be in physical contact with the mobile suit for the mind crush to even work...the only reason why kamile rammed him was cause he had no more beam weopons, otherwise he's just blast him with a super charged beam cannon and kill him with his mind intact
omegashinobi 3 years ago
Haman and Scirocco both tried to fry each other's brains from a distance, but neither one was successful due to Katz's interruption.
So it's rather likely that Scirocco would sense that Heero's not an NT and proceed to crush his mind whenever he feels like it.
AlteisenZeta 3 years ago
but don't you think thats kinda cheap....personally i think thats the one of the only 2 main reason why people say he's one of the best, the first is the hidden arms in The O
omegashinobi 3 years ago
I never really thought of him as a good pilot. He's one of the strongest Newtypes, that's for sure.
AlteisenZeta 3 years ago
yeah but its still kinda cheap.....
omegashinobi 3 years ago
I got the impression he could only do it to newtypes. So really, Heero has a fair chance.
The O has a lot of agility, but even its armor wouldn't help. Two or three blasts from wing zero'd take it out. However, with its multiple arms it could easily destroy Zero in close combat. Without his mindcrush, which isn't really that effective half the time, it's a fairly even match.
Twilightsarc 3 years ago
IIRC, Scirocco only tried to brainzap Haman and Kamille, both Newtypes. Haman fought back, and Kamille gets fried because he didn't know what was going on.
Now, if a Newtype, with superior mental power, can get his mind crushed, I'd imagine it would be easier to zap an Oldtype.
He just chooses not to.
AlteisenZeta 3 years ago 3
heero would win if he keeps his distance but with mind crush scrocco would win but scirocco is too cocky too even try because he knows heero isnt a newtype
gummiwurms 3 years ago
true but at the same time affter the Zero system and all that Hero has one powerful mind to crush. Kamile recovers from it at the end. My vote is Hero if he had The wing Zero not just the wing =/
ThePuppet 3 years ago
Zero's More Advance and The O is just too Slow. And Heero is not afraid to die he'll take Scirocco with him too hell. The O is a slow turtle even the RX 78 can beat it
Phenomenalhardy 2 years ago 5
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Actually, it isn't really wise to call The O "a slow turtle" without doing research on its specs first. Here are both the WIng Zero's and The O's maximum propulsions:
Wing Zero: 88000 kg
The O: 185400 kg
As you can see here, The O's speed is more than twice that of the Wing Zero's.
And as for who's more advanced, I'll just say that The O's Biosensor is much more advanced than anything the Gundam Wing universe has to offer. ;D
mahoshojo03 2 years ago
The O is alot heavier so its gonna need more thrust
Linky56 2 years ago 2
Wing Zero's Rocket thrusters can go up to 88150 kg total and it's empty weight is 8 tons(rough estimate of max weight is 14-16 tons)
The O's Rocket thrusters can go up to 38200 kg Total but it also has 6 vernier thrusters which can go up to 16200 kg each for added Maneuverability and speed, but to compensate for more verniers, The O's weight is a whooping total of 86.3 tons. Don't make stuff up.
But WZ beats the O in speed and Maneuverability since it has 360 degrees of thrust vectoring.
portablemp5 2 years ago 3
The Biosensor is an improved psycommu system which Newtypes uses, The After Colony universe doesn't have anything remotely similar to the Bio-sensor because you know, they don't have any Newtypes >.> hardly worth making the Bio-sensor there.
Mobile doll system, ALICE Mk II(easter egg), PX System, ZERO System.
portablemp5 2 years ago 3
@Phenomenalhardy yeah but watch for the fancy mind attack lol
masterkent1 2 years ago
whats with the jerid hate? i would rather have him as the rival then sirocco. oh and who would win in a fight wingzer0 Vs the O wingzer0 hands down.
sentinelHeeroz 3 years ago
...Jerid must really be the Superfriends Aquaman of Gundam, I mean just how many times did he get pwned anyways?
Magilegend 3 years ago 2
..i lost count around 9000 times
omegashinobi 3 years ago
can i get this game for pc
HEERODAVIDYUI 3 years ago
they need to include seed into this for one purpose only.
so that I can get on ALEX and kill the Kira myself!
either that or id use the Kampfer.
Gabd3v 3 years ago 2
personally i would pwn kira with amuro or heero so i could say amurowed or heerowned....hmmm on second thought forget i said heerowed
omegashinobi 3 years ago
id say UC kill! or busted.
lol rifle joke.
Gabd3v 3 years ago
HEERO CAN DESTROY Scirocco like a fly and wats the of him mind zapping heero it only works on newtypes like the great kamille bidan
Phenomenalhardy 3 years ago 3
my god you love doing that don't you?
WingedPoe 3 years ago
if it was heero vs scirocco
wing vs the O
heero's gundam wing has to do is fly in the sky and fire the buster rifes
P.S the buster rifes can move even after
fireing full power
patv4 3 years ago 5
And then Scirrocco mind rapes Heero.
AlteisenZeta 3 years ago
ok..........
patv4 3 years ago
You forget Scirocco's eerie power over those attracted to men. >=)
onigojira 3 years ago 5
jerid what of been blowned out if it wasn't for heero comin
GundamFan520 3 years ago
psh, just because Jerid can't beat a Gundam and didn't die in the process (oh wait... he did) doesn't make him a loser.
spectergohan 3 years ago 3
well... he went to jerid lol
Gabd3v 3 years ago
jerid han's won one battel
he is sad
hika112isback 3 years ago
I feel sorry for jerid he all was gets pwoned
the was bron a loser. in all hes fight e never wins
hika112isback 4 years ago
i always pwn both of them on GDW
nooneishome23 4 years ago
Hahahaha. Jerid is all-talk...
I don't really like him much. He hasn't yet learned the value of life and junk... Sure Heero hasn't either. But Heero wants to save the planet, atleast.... X3
VileVava 4 years ago 2
How about this, instead of whining like 360 and PS3 fanboys about who can beat what and why, watch the video, appreciate the cinematic effects, buy the game, play it and shut up!
BossFaustus 4 years ago 2
Thats plain nonsense, being a Newtype doesn't mean you can do martial arts, so a mobile trace system won't make sense.
And if its a Newtype, he/she wouldn't want the ZERO system because there are better stuff around.
DynamicZer0 4 years ago
ok fine....but if there was a newtype who could use martial arts in the mobile trace system w/ something better than 0 system is chuck norris tho
bambamm101 4 years ago
newtype using mobile trace system while 0 system is online = chuck norris w/ his hands out
bambamm101 4 years ago
Jerid's sick... if Setsuna was here, the Exia would have diced him that instant.
Athrun01 4 years ago
dont matter, since wing 0 is in this game, it pwns every gundam
bambamm101 4 years ago
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lol Wing Fanboy. Amuro >>>>>>> Heero
mahoshojo03 4 years ago
well basically.......wing 0 is only so good until they add something like nu gundam or dark gundam in its battle stance
bambamm101 4 years ago
wtf? dark gundam? and what about zero custom?
WingedPoe 4 years ago
do u even know what the word custom means?
anthonyhaha 4 years ago
yes i do its the zero from endless waltz
WingedPoe 4 years ago
here if you want it more detailed they were baically customized or redesigned(i dont really know anymore since dou said "its like customizing a sports car but in the movie it shows the customized versions in the final episode
WingedPoe 4 years ago
Well on your comments form 2week ago when your replying to bambam101 you said "wtf? dark gundam? and what about zero custom?" I thought you was one of them obsessed fanboy who thinks that winf0custom is stronger than wing0 =P
anthonyhaha 4 years ago
i thought it was stronger but how the sidestory and the movie portrayed differently it kinda confused me
WingedPoe 4 years ago
It was just a different art style the artists wanted to take. It's not necessarily stronger, but it may be more responsive or whatever- like a customized car.
TsunamiWombat 4 years ago
jerid fails so much
KogashiwaKai 4 years ago
I've played Mobile Suit Gundam- Gundam Vs. Zeta gundam on the PS2, and I can easily say that The O is a really tough mobile suit to destroy. In the anime, the only reason Kamille could kill Scirocco was because the souls of the people important to Kamille helped power his Z gundam up. If that hadn't happened, Scirocco could've pwned Kamille.
XxOpiumBoyxX 4 years ago
in gundam vs Zeta The O is the King of melee. every time i fight it i have to run and shoot it
ZeroMurasame 4 years ago
Me too.
kalbidi 4 years ago
beam sabers can't stay on by themselves can they? I thought their power supply came from the nuclear reactors of mobilesuits...
Jameson171 4 years ago
because The O has high mobility even though is big
mudrock786 4 years ago