After the breakdown about midway @ 5:00... aaaahhh.... I love when a vocoder is used properly... you will never experience this song until you've listened to it LOUD with alot of BASS and EQd proper. FUCK THIS FUNK!!!! YEA BOY!
Once again--- It's very kind of you to be concerned about my health.
Oh yes, i can make tea, but for MYSELF..i can cook well also BUT most of all i can read, write and understand clear sentences. (as well as music which you wouldn't fathom)
I urge you to learn your own language before it's too late. We might be all constant bloggers on here but at least we can interact accurately.
It might be nice if the flow of comments were all in the same place don't you think? we don't all spend every hour gobbing off to invisible people, get a life dude and also get some manners.
@subatomicuk Hey dude ( so you pretend to be American as well) you said " conversation is over" 13 hours ago and yet you still post lame comments that appear to be written by David Brent...except Brent was alot more talented musically than you.
I was always amazed that almost half of this track is multi-tracked scat-singing with a vocoder. Like an electronic Manhattan Transfer, Straight No Chaser or something. Who would have thought to do that but Herbie. Regarding the comments about the Korg VC-10 vocoder, I performed live with one of those when they were first released (early 1980's?) but that instrument never came close to the Sennheiser Vocoder that Herbie used on this track and album. The Korg was a cheap imitation, like a toy.
My record player broke many years ago so I havn't been able to play this record. Thank God for "Youtube". This is perhaps oned of the greatest dance records of all time. 33 years old and still fresh as the day it was released. Brilliant!!!! Can't stop dancing!!!!!!!!!!!!
No you weren't born in the wrong era because all this music is here for the taking now and all that's come since and there are club nights if you want to go dancing to this stuff today!
Sorrry but this one is a shit too!! What a pianist! piano Rhodes played magnificaly, this music is a essential to anybody wants to aknowladge piano groove.
"insert 40 year old nostaligic guy trying to sound intelligent and pointing out personal dislike for todays music because clearly all new music is bad and without talent"
loooooooooooooooooool i remember the jazz purists shittin bricks over herbie getting synth drip tube in his nose lmmmmaaaaoooo my mate went to watch him and he pulled this song out to an unsuspecting audience anyway i love it
I can't get over the bass lines at that time ... They were seriously devastating T_T
Nowadays Bass is simply a negligible instrument ... Most bassists just play roots nowadays .. no emotions or feelings or groove behind basslines nowadays..
@91FroSt91 The 70's was a great era to be alive and woodshedding on contemporary jazz. Spent many a day purchasing LP's at Tower Records for $3 each, rushing home and learning!
@91FroSt91 I was 20 when this first came on the radio - I was amazed and delighted. So I have an advantage over you in that I was alive at the time. The disadvantage is that I am now in my 50's (but still love this stuff).. Have fun 'discovering' more vintage tracks.
@ewaf88 Ha ha, im with you on that one !!!! Just watched George Michaels True Faith, which i think is beautiful then remembered this, thought it would sound dated but its as fresh as those radio days ( wish i was 20 again !!)
Hey, digimaton: I bought this album the year it was released. And I used to listen to WBLS when I lived in Manhattan so long ago. I'm CRAZY about Herbie, and loved the fact that he used the wonderful vocoder to process his vocals on "Sunlight". I'm a musician, and will use the vocoder next time I record an album: I'll be thinking of Herbie (and you, too, digimaton) when I do. Herbie rules...
I bought this album the year it was released (sometime in the '70s) and was knocked out by the vocoder-ed vocals. There was plenty of great fusion jazz back then! I loved Weather Report, too...
@digimaton that's awfully narrow minded of you - Herbie was a geek at heart, he was into electronics since high school.. it's not surprising he went to fusion and electronic music at all. I don't see disco (especially the more musical end like this) as a surprising choice for him.. he's always been forward thinking, and at the time, this was a new kind of music..
@basehead617 I have no problem with Herbie's fusion years, but by the time he was dabbling in disco, it was not "forward thinking music," it was commercially viable music, and it paid the bills.
@basehead617 I see digimaton is making friends everywhere he goes! LOL!! By the way, what is the matter with a "Geek"? Because he wears glasses? Has a higher IQ than others??? It is names like that that make people hurt for years!! Very uncool! And if digimaton thinks I would patronize him or anyone, he really needs to have a talk with my husband!! SHEESH!! SMH
@sapphyre7 i didnt say there was anything wrong with it - i was just pointing out that him getting into electronic music like this was a natural step.. he was always into electronics as a kid and even started an electrical engineering degree AFAIK.. i can see someone not knowing his past thinking that this straight-laced bop jazz player just went to electric/electronic music to make money but surely that wasnt the case.
@basehead617 yes he is a musicologist ahead its time he mastered classical music at 10cmon and at 18 had enough of jazz.Pioneerd,and ironically it seems hes gon back to piano lately.I mean he's Herbie hancock
@basehead617 I agree! This was not bubble gum disco. This was progressive and beautifully arranged music with the most advanced technology available and still conveyed the depth of Herbie's soul. It truly fits right into the collection of excellent music he gave to this world. The few parts you could classify as Disco in the general sense are few and far between in the vast sum of of the album which is made mostly of genius progressions and use of modern technology.
what was Herbie at?? this is nose spoon territory. It's a great shame that just about every major jazz/fusion artist at this time was jumping on the disco band wagon. Disco was essentially sanitized funk for white radio but I guess there was money in it; you can be sure there was no money in playing jazz in 1978.
@digimaton Are you for real?? Have you not heard of the Crusaders, featuring Randi Crawford? Earth, Wind&Fire, who used all different types of music, including Jazz, to really make their music hot during the 70's? Yes, during the "disco days", there was a lot of nonsense going on in music and clubs such as heavy drug use (which might account for some of the clothes, LOL), Wild sex be it straight, gay or bi. However, the music was the greatest back then, even disco. Open your mind, you may learn!
@sapphyre7 don't be so patronising. So, make their music hot? you mean make it commercial, i.e. acceptable for white radio. It's generally accepted that disco was sanitized funk, for a white mainstream audience, funk was too racy, too political, too black, read the history on it. And yes, I have listened to just about everything that was happening in music in that era, a great many artists jumped on the disco band wagon because it was lucrative for a time, and that includes Hancock.
@digimaton I read your post, and luckily for you, I was at the doctor's office! But now that I'm home, let's get a few facts straight, please...
First of all, I am not patronizing, I don't believe in blowing smoke up anyone's A**! Second of all, How old are you? Were you even alive when this song first came out??? I was!!! And it was not played on ANY "WHITE" STATION, that was in NY, It was played on the famed WBLS in NYC!! So... GET A GRIP AND A CLUE!!!
@sapphyre7 dude, i have a clue, you seem confused, this music is INFLUENCED by disco, it is NOT disco, I could pull out dozens of tracks from my stack to prove to you that there was a general trend in the mid to late 70s where jazz cats who had moved into fusion, then dabbled with disco stylistics, it was a trend, based on the popularity of the music, and the obvious financial rewards it might bring, the record company execs were pushing this on a lot of guys because jazz wasn't lucrative.
@digimaton I wouldn't be so quick to put motivations into peoples' heads, most of all Hancock. Are you a DJ or producer, or even a jazz musician? It gets boring doing the same thing. If you want to be pure, funk is sanitized jazz music, and it took it's fair share of heat from jazz critics. Funny thing is that it's always the critics who are judging artists like Hancock, Rushen, Benson, etc... but rarely other musicians. Other artists are too busy creating to waste time critiquing others.
@scientrophic actually yes, to all of above. You know its OK to have an opinion? and really, its OK to critique, it's simply unfashionable at the moment, hence the amount of bullshit that continues to be passed off as culturally meaningful by an industry intent on maintaining its margins. Funk is not sanitized jazz, stems from another African American musical thread that developed concurrently with jazz. Blues, gospel, then soul, lead to funk, Afro-Cuban music was also an influence.
@digimaton You clearly know your history, and I understand what you're saying, because I used to think that way, but the intellectual conclusion that any given music is "bad" because of its motivations doesn't affect whether it sounds "good." Most of the music you love was made with financial interests in mind. Motown made a fortune sanitizing the black image, but their music was good. I could say that because they pandered to White audiences that it's "bad," but the music actually sounds good.
@scientrophic it's not a bad or good issue, the breakout section above is great, but I find the pop vocals to be very twee, there for one reason alone, airtime. Never been a fan of Motown, and funk was not the kind of commercial success you suggest, it was considered "too black" by the white establishment, people like James Brown got a lot of flack for using funk to mobilise certain sectors of the black community. At the same time he stated "I'm not black, or white, I'm a tax payer."
@digimaton BTW I am all about having informed opinions and sharing them in the service of liberating people of bullshit. It's gotten me into trouble. I know it's not fashionable. All I'm saying is that the final test is whether the music sounds good. There are a million ways to intellectually critique something and tell people what to like, but that's still disenfranchising. If everyone listened critically for themselves and not to obey the authority, who could listen to LMFAO's Shots anyways?
@scientrophic the "culture industry" (see Adorno & Horkheimer) works aggressively, using massive marketing budgets, to stop people "listening for themselves." This process erodes cultural diversity and leads to cultural homogeneity, we end up with the same formulaic equal tempered pop nonsense right across the globe, and people are conditioned to like it from a young age. It simply depends how accepting, or forgiving, one wishes to be of such practices, personally, I think it's bad for music.
@digimaton I've heard of Adorno & Horkheimer. Someone actually accused me once of sounding like them, but I have yet to read them. Popular music has certainly become grossly homogenous, mixing every prior genre into a cloying confection intended to please everyone. Fortunately, the internet and affordable production equipment have resulted in an explosion of forward-thinking urban music, but few in my generation care either way. I really appreciate having this discussion. Peace.
not saying alternatives dont exist, there are strong underground movements, but they are very niche, number of people who take the time to discover, relative to the number that are force fed dross, is tiny. Also, I would be cautious using the "forward thinking" sound-bite, usually it's a handful of genuinely inventive producers who are then imitated to death by others with less imagination: that's the downside of music technology being democratised, happens in every genre, the get stuck in a rut
@digimaton That's truth right there. It was de Toqueville who prophesied the positive and negative effects of democracy on quality control. To be fair to disco, it was a genuine musical movement with a time and place. I have some friends from Chicago, Baltimore, DC, NYC, who lived through disco, funk, 80's synth funk, and disco was a legitimate cultural form by people for people, and one that endures today in the mainstream (dance) and underground (house, broken beat) movements. Look up Maestro.
@scientrophic yeah disco went underground when it was finally lost favour to synthpop in the commercial world, but the Black and Puerto Rican gay community kept the love affair alive and it gradually transmuted into house and techno. I wouldn't lump broken beat in with that though, it was more influenced by breaks, hip-hop, and Afro-beat.
@drydenfuchs Talk box is a speaker driver with a plastic tube running to the microphone of the singer. In the case of Frampton, the guitar signal went to the talkbox driver, send the sound up the tube, which Frampton shaped with his mouth and was amplified from the vocal mic through system.
Vocoder uses a microphone to capture the voice as the modulator and send it to the keyboard (in Hancock's case) to give it the pitch. The ADSR of the voice is combined with the pitches played on the keys
I'm 19 years old, people, and to me, there's NOTHING else that comes close to this. As far as I'm concerned, everyone in music now is a poor imitation of this classic, superior music. Herbie Hancock is just one of the many legend that I hold in the highest regard. He helped form music to something totally different and original. Don't let the age fool you, I'm old school until I die. Nothing like the music of yesterday.
Man, if i could sit down and have dinner and a jam session with three musicians it would be: Herbie Hancock, George Duke and Prince. Prince would probably wanna place a game of basketball....shirts vs the skins...lol
@Tuff22 No autotune in those days, that's a Vocoder. Which is funny, because I'm used to hearing people say "Vocoder" when they're talking about autotune, and now it's the other way around. Huh? Carry on.
@Tuff22 this isnt autotune! there was no autotune back then. musicians used vocoders and talkboxes. it actually takes skill to properly use vocoders and talkboxes , unlike autotune. autotune was created for individuals who dont have the musical talent needed to use talkboxes and vocoders (if u wanna hear talkboxes and vocoders used in its proper fashion...check out roger troutman, stevie wonder, teddy riley, byron "mr. talkbox" chambers...)
@xlmidi They're actually two completely different technologies. A vocoder/talk box doesn't have a microphone at all to "listen" to singers. It's merely a manual filter control while playing notes typically on a keyboard or synth, or in some cases a guitar like Frampton. It's apples to oranges really.
@xlmidi Autotune is the final insult to the ears of any discreet music lover. Mind you, alot of folk don't really listen to music attentively..they just want a noise. And that is what they get with Autotune. Vocoder has nothing on it!
Talent is not required.
Herbie is the highest form of musician. He surpasses all boundaries.
But i recall this LP getting some terrible reviews by Jazz purists. I like the LP and saw it as just another added dimension to H.H's. career.
@taildragger53 The trouble with modern music its all about money, fastbuck,quick returns.Artists dont get the chance to develope anymore. The Cowells of the music world have alot to answer for. Im old enough to remember when very few artists went straight in at no1 songs entered in the lower reaches of the chart and worked there way up. Real artists will come back, and the top 40 wont be full of songs ft pitbull or some other arse.......rant over lol
That's right..I recall the first "talkbox" or "talk bag" was used by Stevie Wonder around 1970. Then Jeff Beck used it on his "Blow By Blow" LP in 1973. But the music back then had SOUL. Stevie Wonder could make a tin can sound good! Much of today's is just done for quick cash.
But Herbie's recent CD "Imagine Project" is wonderful and shows that talent lasts!
LUVVVVVVVVVVV THIS SONG OMG OMG STILL SOUNDS SO SEXYYYYYYYYYY DO IT BABY ON THEM KEYBOARDS LUV ITTTTTTTTTTTTTT
50honeybaby 4 hours ago
video response:
watch?v=PrTVQ-vCqKw
turnerwarehouse 3 days ago
Love it - thumbs up if you've ended up here remembering the Sex-o-sonique version, then realising the original is so much better....
bishbopp84 4 days ago
classic song from a talented artist
neilwortho1 6 days ago
When weeeee were young...love was new:)
AmaniMurph13 1 week ago
This record is absolutely FANTASTIC!!
Nuthin more to say.
sheeeeeeeva 1 week ago
Thought I was the only one to buy this album. Very comforting to know I'm not the only cool brother out here.
doc2skate 2 weeks ago
SUDDENLEEEEE! check out herbie goes bananas dub
vessel4theholyspirit 1 month ago
WEEDAP!
Electracoustary 1 month ago
BODABEDOBEDOBADOP!
Electracoustary 1 month ago
After the breakdown about midway @ 5:00... aaaahhh.... I love when a vocoder is used properly... you will never experience this song until you've listened to it LOUD with alot of BASS and EQd proper. FUCK THIS FUNK!!!! YEA BOY!
Electracoustary 1 month ago
ヴォコーダーといえばやはりこの人、Ｈ.ハンコックさん！
nariohosoi 1 month ago
From 8:40 on should be extended
diaperzombie 1 month ago
Dancing, as I painted my kitchen. What you know about that!
ClickTheTurtle 2 months ago
the magic of Herbie Hancock....TIMELESS.
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ah, you did make the tea then. Well someone has to. Well done.
subatomicuk 2 months ago
ah, you did make the tea then. Well someone has to. Well done.
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taildragger53 2 months ago
don't get your knickers in a twist, you might have a stroke. haha!
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taildragger53 2 months ago
@subatomicuk It's sad that you can't understand your own language..most tea boys can even understand English.
I got the 'thumbs up' for that comment 7 times so how come others understood what i meant.?
The comment wasn't even directed at you , to start with. It was in response to "xlmidi" 's comment.
taildragger53 2 months ago
@subatomicuk
Once again--- It's very kind of you to be concerned about my health.
Oh yes, i can make tea, but for MYSELF..i can cook well also BUT most of all i can read, write and understand clear sentences. (as well as music which you wouldn't fathom)
I urge you to learn your own language before it's too late. We might be all constant bloggers on here but at least we can interact accurately.
taildragger53 2 months ago
@subatomicuk Jazz purists:
Well, Duke Elington was a jazz purist "Nazi" as you put it. He once said "bebop was like hearing someone speak but with the vowels removed."
Would you say he didn't know the definition of Jazz?
You have to be careful before you misjudge people.
taildragger53 2 months ago
It might be nice if the flow of comments were all in the same place don't you think? we don't all spend every hour gobbing off to invisible people, get a life dude and also get some manners.
This is over.
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@subatomicuk So you would actually consider Duke Ellington to be a jazz purist "Nazi" who didn't know about his own music?
Your silence in regard to my question proves this.
Hey, maybe you've never heard of Duke Ellington? That would figure in your case(you know, the guy who influenced Herbie Hancock)
taildragger53 2 months ago
@subatomicuk Hey dude ( so you pretend to be American as well) you said " conversation is over" 13 hours ago and yet you still post lame comments that appear to be written by David Brent...except Brent was alot more talented musically than you.
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taildragger53 2 months ago
18 people can funk off!
spelqueka 2 months ago
If you don't want to dance to this you don't want to dance!
MrDancinggenius 2 months ago 2
Love it
MuhsinTheMomin 2 months ago
MAN HAS NO EQUAL, LIVING...
crouchhill 2 months ago
this song high will blow your mind. trust me.
jclmedb27 2 months ago
He's a pure genius.
RedsInTheBed 2 months ago
This is the tune!!!
raidfridge 3 months ago
Wow, dope
oyvindbergo 4 months ago
I was always amazed that almost half of this track is multi-tracked scat-singing with a vocoder. Like an electronic Manhattan Transfer, Straight No Chaser or something. Who would have thought to do that but Herbie. Regarding the comments about the Korg VC-10 vocoder, I performed live with one of those when they were first released (early 1980's?) but that instrument never came close to the Sennheiser Vocoder that Herbie used on this track and album. The Korg was a cheap imitation, like a toy.
neuelectro 4 months ago
i realy did think it was her. wonder what ever happend to her?. sure hope she is happy
wefins 4 months ago 2
THIS MUSIC MAKES ME SMILE WITH MY HEART : )
lukeywilkshire 4 months ago 3
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,THE ORIGINAL DAFT PUNK!!!! YES, HERBIE DID IT FIRST!!
classy1973 4 months ago in playlist classy1973's favorites 13
this is fire!! classic and i can still play this song to this day
SHAWNLAKESMUSIC 4 months ago
My record player broke many years ago so I havn't been able to play this record. Thank God for "Youtube". This is perhaps oned of the greatest dance records of all time. 33 years old and still fresh as the day it was released. Brilliant!!!! Can't stop dancing!!!!!!!!!!!!
glennikins 5 months ago
Beautiful man I love it
fightman121 5 months ago
This Is A Funky Pulsed Electronic Big Band Bad-Ass Love Story. C L A S S I C !
I'll cue this back forever.
MrKenndawg 5 months ago
No you weren't born in the wrong era because all this music is here for the taking now and all that's come since and there are club nights if you want to go dancing to this stuff today!
francotron2000 5 months ago
wow my comment made it........
THExViCExSHOW 5 months ago
love this herbies strongest and best formation and originality
VenusGospeI 5 months ago in playlist Herbie Hancock
Too bad we don't have real musicians like herbie anymore.
enoughsaidatl 5 months ago
18 people need new ears.
mudvaynian88 6 months ago
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Relaxing music on my page! Herbie is a genius!
MrEcyor 6 months ago
the only modern group i know of who still uses retro instruments is Chromeo, the talkbox is used with skillz
TheEGGtech 6 months ago
hay 18 retardados que no saben lo que es musica!
lobossaavedra 6 months ago 2
esta wea es la zorra!
lobossaavedra 6 months ago
luvvin it,Youth times...
kezzer2 6 months ago
Sorrry but this one is a shit too!! What a pianist! piano Rhodes played magnificaly, this music is a essential to anybody wants to aknowladge piano groove.
SoundElectroJazz 6 months ago
I like that, good tunes here and talkbox from scratch B.regards from producer of Sweden.
xplanetstudio 7 months ago
beautiful choon..:@))))
beeboppbaby 7 months ago
BBC Radio 2 played this today. Only cemented the fact Radio 2 is better then Radio 1. massive smily on my face when i heard it
BusyOlfo 7 months ago
"insert 40 year old nostaligic guy trying to sound intelligent and pointing out personal dislike for todays music because clearly all new music is bad and without talent"
gologabob 7 months ago
Personal Favorite
bumchef1 7 months ago
Damn...this is amazing.
robynpr 7 months ago
Herbie Hancock's "Sunlight" is my personal favorite album of his from his jazz fusion era.
MyJunior1975 7 months ago
ay yo ! ya'll need to check on 9th wonders instrumental remix to this ! its niceeE!!!
sunshineexOKAM 8 months ago
loooooooooooooooooool i remember the jazz purists shittin bricks over herbie getting synth drip tube in his nose lmmmmaaaaoooo my mate went to watch him and he pulled this song out to an unsuspecting audience anyway i love it
brianboru62 8 months ago
I can't get over the bass lines at that time ... They were seriously devastating T_T
Nowadays Bass is simply a negligible instrument ... Most bassists just play roots nowadays .. no emotions or feelings or groove behind basslines nowadays..
I wish I could have been alive at this time XD
Thank you so much for this upload :D:D
91FroSt91 9 months ago
@91FroSt91 The 70's was a great era to be alive and woodshedding on contemporary jazz. Spent many a day purchasing LP's at Tower Records for $3 each, rushing home and learning!
Sax4Him 8 months ago
@91FroSt91 I was 20 when this first came on the radio - I was amazed and delighted. So I have an advantage over you in that I was alive at the time. The disadvantage is that I am now in my 50's (but still love this stuff).. Have fun 'discovering' more vintage tracks.
ewaf88 8 months ago
@ewaf88 Ha ha, im with you on that one !!!! Just watched George Michaels True Faith, which i think is beautiful then remembered this, thought it would sound dated but its as fresh as those radio days ( wish i was 20 again !!)
mulequeenchessy 8 months ago
Hey, digimaton: I bought this album the year it was released. And I used to listen to WBLS when I lived in Manhattan so long ago. I'm CRAZY about Herbie, and loved the fact that he used the wonderful vocoder to process his vocals on "Sunlight". I'm a musician, and will use the vocoder next time I record an album: I'll be thinking of Herbie (and you, too, digimaton) when I do. Herbie rules...
thomasmoredamian 9 months ago
I bought this album the year it was released (sometime in the '70s) and was knocked out by the vocoder-ed vocals. There was plenty of great fusion jazz back then! I loved Weather Report, too...
thomasmoredamian 9 months ago
Man, this song is awesome!
jarbon5 9 months ago
Major classic! One of his very best, in my book!
sapphyre7 9 months ago
@digimaton that's awfully narrow minded of you - Herbie was a geek at heart, he was into electronics since high school.. it's not surprising he went to fusion and electronic music at all. I don't see disco (especially the more musical end like this) as a surprising choice for him.. he's always been forward thinking, and at the time, this was a new kind of music..
basehead617 10 months ago 4
@basehead617 I have no problem with Herbie's fusion years, but by the time he was dabbling in disco, it was not "forward thinking music," it was commercially viable music, and it paid the bills.
digimaton 9 months ago
@basehead617 I see digimaton is making friends everywhere he goes! LOL!!
sapphyre7 9 months ago
@basehead617 I see digimaton is making friends everywhere he goes! LOL!! By the way, what is the matter with a "Geek"? Because he wears glasses? Has a higher IQ than others??? It is names like that that make people hurt for years!! Very uncool! And if digimaton thinks I would patronize him or anyone, he really needs to have a talk with my husband!! SHEESH!! SMH
sapphyre7 9 months ago
@sapphyre7 i didnt say there was anything wrong with it - i was just pointing out that him getting into electronic music like this was a natural step.. he was always into electronics as a kid and even started an electrical engineering degree AFAIK.. i can see someone not knowing his past thinking that this straight-laced bop jazz player just went to electric/electronic music to make money but surely that wasnt the case.
basehead617 9 months ago
@basehead617 yes he is a musicologist ahead its time he mastered classical music at 10cmon and at 18 had enough of jazz.Pioneerd,and ironically it seems hes gon back to piano lately.I mean he's Herbie hancock
fede4real 7 months ago
@sapphyre7,
Most of your points are weak and/or contain basic logical fallacies.
digimation is being much more sensible than you.
Honestly, your general writing tone gives the impression of you being very hostile and condescending.
plimbuff 9 months ago
@basehead617 I agree! This was not bubble gum disco. This was progressive and beautifully arranged music with the most advanced technology available and still conveyed the depth of Herbie's soul. It truly fits right into the collection of excellent music he gave to this world. The few parts you could classify as Disco in the general sense are few and far between in the vast sum of of the album which is made mostly of genius progressions and use of modern technology.
tysonleefortman 3 months ago
what was Herbie at?? this is nose spoon territory. It's a great shame that just about every major jazz/fusion artist at this time was jumping on the disco band wagon. Disco was essentially sanitized funk for white radio but I guess there was money in it; you can be sure there was no money in playing jazz in 1978.
digimaton 10 months ago
@digimaton Are you for real?? Have you not heard of the Crusaders, featuring Randi Crawford? Earth, Wind&Fire, who used all different types of music, including Jazz, to really make their music hot during the 70's? Yes, during the "disco days", there was a lot of nonsense going on in music and clubs such as heavy drug use (which might account for some of the clothes, LOL), Wild sex be it straight, gay or bi. However, the music was the greatest back then, even disco. Open your mind, you may learn!
sapphyre7 9 months ago
@sapphyre7 don't be so patronising. So, make their music hot? you mean make it commercial, i.e. acceptable for white radio. It's generally accepted that disco was sanitized funk, for a white mainstream audience, funk was too racy, too political, too black, read the history on it. And yes, I have listened to just about everything that was happening in music in that era, a great many artists jumped on the disco band wagon because it was lucrative for a time, and that includes Hancock.
digimaton 9 months ago
@digimaton I read your post, and luckily for you, I was at the doctor's office! But now that I'm home, let's get a few facts straight, please...
First of all, I am not patronizing, I don't believe in blowing smoke up anyone's A**! Second of all, How old are you? Were you even alive when this song first came out??? I was!!! And it was not played on ANY "WHITE" STATION, that was in NY, It was played on the famed WBLS in NYC!! So... GET A GRIP AND A CLUE!!!
sapphyre7 9 months ago
@sapphyre7 dude, i have a clue, you seem confused, this music is INFLUENCED by disco, it is NOT disco, I could pull out dozens of tracks from my stack to prove to you that there was a general trend in the mid to late 70s where jazz cats who had moved into fusion, then dabbled with disco stylistics, it was a trend, based on the popularity of the music, and the obvious financial rewards it might bring, the record company execs were pushing this on a lot of guys because jazz wasn't lucrative.
digimaton 9 months ago
@digimaton I wouldn't be so quick to put motivations into peoples' heads, most of all Hancock. Are you a DJ or producer, or even a jazz musician? It gets boring doing the same thing. If you want to be pure, funk is sanitized jazz music, and it took it's fair share of heat from jazz critics. Funny thing is that it's always the critics who are judging artists like Hancock, Rushen, Benson, etc... but rarely other musicians. Other artists are too busy creating to waste time critiquing others.
scientrophic 7 months ago
@scientrophic actually yes, to all of above. You know its OK to have an opinion? and really, its OK to critique, it's simply unfashionable at the moment, hence the amount of bullshit that continues to be passed off as culturally meaningful by an industry intent on maintaining its margins. Funk is not sanitized jazz, stems from another African American musical thread that developed concurrently with jazz. Blues, gospel, then soul, lead to funk, Afro-Cuban music was also an influence.
digimaton 7 months ago
@digimaton You clearly know your history, and I understand what you're saying, because I used to think that way, but the intellectual conclusion that any given music is "bad" because of its motivations doesn't affect whether it sounds "good." Most of the music you love was made with financial interests in mind. Motown made a fortune sanitizing the black image, but their music was good. I could say that because they pandered to White audiences that it's "bad," but the music actually sounds good.
scientrophic 7 months ago
@scientrophic it's not a bad or good issue, the breakout section above is great, but I find the pop vocals to be very twee, there for one reason alone, airtime. Never been a fan of Motown, and funk was not the kind of commercial success you suggest, it was considered "too black" by the white establishment, people like James Brown got a lot of flack for using funk to mobilise certain sectors of the black community. At the same time he stated "I'm not black, or white, I'm a tax payer."
digimaton 6 months ago
@digimaton BTW I am all about having informed opinions and sharing them in the service of liberating people of bullshit. It's gotten me into trouble. I know it's not fashionable. All I'm saying is that the final test is whether the music sounds good. There are a million ways to intellectually critique something and tell people what to like, but that's still disenfranchising. If everyone listened critically for themselves and not to obey the authority, who could listen to LMFAO's Shots anyways?
scientrophic 7 months ago
@scientrophic the "culture industry" (see Adorno & Horkheimer) works aggressively, using massive marketing budgets, to stop people "listening for themselves." This process erodes cultural diversity and leads to cultural homogeneity, we end up with the same formulaic equal tempered pop nonsense right across the globe, and people are conditioned to like it from a young age. It simply depends how accepting, or forgiving, one wishes to be of such practices, personally, I think it's bad for music.
digimaton 6 months ago
@digimaton I've heard of Adorno & Horkheimer. Someone actually accused me once of sounding like them, but I have yet to read them. Popular music has certainly become grossly homogenous, mixing every prior genre into a cloying confection intended to please everyone. Fortunately, the internet and affordable production equipment have resulted in an explosion of forward-thinking urban music, but few in my generation care either way. I really appreciate having this discussion. Peace.
scientrophic 6 months ago
not saying alternatives dont exist, there are strong underground movements, but they are very niche, number of people who take the time to discover, relative to the number that are force fed dross, is tiny. Also, I would be cautious using the "forward thinking" sound-bite, usually it's a handful of genuinely inventive producers who are then imitated to death by others with less imagination: that's the downside of music technology being democratised, happens in every genre, the get stuck in a rut
digimaton 6 months ago 2
@digimaton That's truth right there. It was de Toqueville who prophesied the positive and negative effects of democracy on quality control. To be fair to disco, it was a genuine musical movement with a time and place. I have some friends from Chicago, Baltimore, DC, NYC, who lived through disco, funk, 80's synth funk, and disco was a legitimate cultural form by people for people, and one that endures today in the mainstream (dance) and underground (house, broken beat) movements. Look up Maestro.
scientrophic 6 months ago
@scientrophic yeah disco went underground when it was finally lost favour to synthpop in the commercial world, but the Black and Puerto Rican gay community kept the love affair alive and it gradually transmuted into house and techno. I wouldn't lump broken beat in with that though, it was more influenced by breaks, hip-hop, and Afro-beat.
Thanks for the tip : )
digimaton 6 months ago
YEAH!!! Haven't heard this in ages.... thanks!
mikeleza 10 months ago
my first love tune.thanks for the memories
Watersplash1clubstan 10 months ago
forth and back (rock music) by slum village. you might not even tell!
TheSinghFIRE 10 months ago
ｵｰﾙﾏｲﾃｨｰ“HANCOCK” の､メロウ･ﾌｧﾝｸ“I THOUGHT IT WAS YOU ”､笠井紀美子もｶﾊﾞｰもヾ(＾。^*) #jazzm
blackandtanful 10 months ago
he made this song long before this sort of jazzz funk was popular do not let him go
rollyped10 10 months ago
I've got the 12" single on green vinyl-quality tune!
MEADOWBUTTERCUP 10 months ago
just makes yer wanna get up and dance, good old 70's
slender09 10 months ago
@drydenfuchs Talk box is a speaker driver with a plastic tube running to the microphone of the singer. In the case of Frampton, the guitar signal went to the talkbox driver, send the sound up the tube, which Frampton shaped with his mouth and was amplified from the vocal mic through system.
Vocoder uses a microphone to capture the voice as the modulator and send it to the keyboard (in Hancock's case) to give it the pitch. The ADSR of the voice is combined with the pitches played on the keys
rdmarble 10 months ago
God, I hate my generation. Music will never revive from the gayness of today.
WeinerFilms07 11 months ago 36
@WeinerFilms07
I am with you!
SoundElectroJazz 6 months ago
@WeinerFilms07 It just might..
OprahMemorizedPi 6 months ago
@WeinerFilms07
i even looked up a compatible name for you, its ignoramus, isnt it nice?
1iRa 6 months ago
@1iRa Oh, you.
WeinerFilms07 6 months ago
@WeinerFilms07 It'll decay til we lose it completely to an even worse industry: Crappy Film-making....be scared.
badazzpresidents23 6 months ago
@WeinerFilms07 - there are still a "few" out there who make RELEVANT pieces of music.
butchchase 5 months ago
@butchchase Interpol is pretty good. I like them.
WeinerFilms07 5 months ago
@WeinerFilms07 As opposed to this? It's nice, but what would Chopin say? Chill out man, art movements will be art movements.
purplegoat2500 5 months ago
@WeinerFilms07 (recover)
:)
craigfromnewcastle 5 months ago
@WeinerFilms07 yes it will : D
lukeywilkshire 4 months ago
real music at its best. This dudes voice owwwwwwns
RighteousNuts 11 months ago
sex
ChronicPiam 11 months ago
Very relaxed music!
teo1000t 11 months ago
Dera Mr Hancock,
Please teach George Michael how to use a vocoder. Or better still, take his off him.
Sincerely,
Mr Convers.
TroyConvers5000 11 months ago
CLASSIC !!
Hanzi63 11 months ago
BEAUTIFUL track!! - You can hear how much deep house of the 90s and 00s took from this record
basehead617 11 months ago
THATS REAL MUSIC AND RITM !
o.O
AllanLamana 11 months ago
Lovely voice
aimeemacdn 1 year ago
EARCANDY !!!!
Hanzi63 1 year ago 2
Thankyou - this is wonderful !
phillipoos 1 year ago
im a 20 year old white boy punk rocker.. AND I LOVE HERBIE HANCOCK.. I WAS BORN IN THE WRONG ERA.
THExViCExSHOW 1 year ago 8
@THExViCExSHOW well said love
nlee9ful 1 year ago
@THExViCExSHOW THANK GOD A YOUNG BROTHA' SUCH AS YO'SELF REALIZES THAT! HOWEVER, YOU MUST PLAY ON....
MrKenndawg 5 months ago
@THExViCExSHOW
No you're not - you're a human being who can enjoy everything on earth - good luck :)
craigfromnewcastle 5 months ago
Herbie Hancock is one of the best in the art of Jazz, which rocks and rolls.
Pizzadady 1 year ago
Pure vocoder heaven! :o)
bywestonbay 1 year ago
The auto-tuned R&B of the 2000s and today wishes it had as much soul as the almighty talkbox...
Rogueofmv 1 year ago 2
this funks
Gunnercv 1 year ago
I'm 19 years old, people, and to me, there's NOTHING else that comes close to this. As far as I'm concerned, everyone in music now is a poor imitation of this classic, superior music. Herbie Hancock is just one of the many legend that I hold in the highest regard. He helped form music to something totally different and original. Don't let the age fool you, I'm old school until I die. Nothing like the music of yesterday.
thepallbearer 1 year ago
LOVE THIS RECORD.
246Gill 1 year ago
ELGORITHM FUTUR GRAMMY AWARD
ELGORITHM 1 year ago
I thought it was me, but it was you! My morning jam with coffee...thank you
gollie001 1 year ago
herbie hancock is one of the best musicians ever..
DinoVice 1 year ago
herbie hancock is one of the mest musicians ever..
DinoVice 1 year ago 2
I love it :)
craigfromnewcastle 1 year ago
young people are not used to REAL music
bartdogggy 1 year ago 4
Wow..this goes way back.. thanks!!!
WinsomeJohnny 1 year ago
AWESOME TIMELESS SMILES THANK YOU :)
nightgrooveruk 1 year ago
ohhh God ... sun start to shining ...again
Bombsiak 1 year ago
14 people thought it was someone else.
TroyConvers5000 1 year ago 2
Timeless music
djstefanos 1 year ago
Man, if i could sit down and have dinner and a jam session with three musicians it would be: Herbie Hancock, George Duke and Prince. Prince would probably wanna place a game of basketball....shirts vs the skins...lol
HALFDEAD66 1 year ago 2
This sound never gets old.
MrAnymajordude 1 year ago 4
@falzetto I'm straight for him
AmyAllisonLivesHere 1 year ago
un tube intemporel, de l'homme le plus samplé du jazz rock.
MrSegser 1 year ago
back when they knew how to use autotune
Tuff22 1 year ago
@Tuff22 No autotune in those days, that's a Vocoder. Which is funny, because I'm used to hearing people say "Vocoder" when they're talking about autotune, and now it's the other way around. Huh? Carry on.
alexmortland 1 year ago 3
@Tuff22 this isnt autotune! there was no autotune back then. musicians used vocoders and talkboxes. it actually takes skill to properly use vocoders and talkboxes , unlike autotune. autotune was created for individuals who dont have the musical talent needed to use talkboxes and vocoders (if u wanna hear talkboxes and vocoders used in its proper fashion...check out roger troutman, stevie wonder, teddy riley, byron "mr. talkbox" chambers...)
xlmidi 1 year ago 61
@xlmidi They're actually two completely different technologies. A vocoder/talk box doesn't have a microphone at all to "listen" to singers. It's merely a manual filter control while playing notes typically on a keyboard or synth, or in some cases a guitar like Frampton. It's apples to oranges really.
Drydenfuchs 11 months ago
@xlmidi Chromeo does a pretty good job with it. And Peter Gabriel.
JordanClunn 9 months ago
@xlmidi what do you think herbie is using in this song? And what's really the difference between vocoders and talkboxes?
CaptainHype 7 months ago
@xlmidi Autotune is the final insult to the ears of any discreet music lover. Mind you, alot of folk don't really listen to music attentively..they just want a noise. And that is what they get with Autotune. Vocoder has nothing on it!
Talent is not required.
Herbie is the highest form of musician. He surpasses all boundaries.
But i recall this LP getting some terrible reviews by Jazz purists. I like the LP and saw it as just another added dimension to H.H's. career.
taildragger53 6 months ago 13
@taildragger53 the critics may have panned it- but the lp went platinum!!!!!!!! fuck the critics!
doctafonk101 5 months ago
@taildragger53 The trouble with modern music its all about money, fastbuck,quick returns.Artists dont get the chance to develope anymore. The Cowells of the music world have alot to answer for. Im old enough to remember when very few artists went straight in at no1 songs entered in the lower reaches of the chart and worked there way up. Real artists will come back, and the top 40 wont be full of songs ft pitbull or some other arse.......rant over lol
Robcatist 3 months ago
@Robcatist You are right--As DJ Robbie Vincent used to say "This was from a time when people actually PLAYED their instruments".
However corny this sounded in 1977 there was still alot of musicianship and 'personality'.
The music scene doesn't require personality anymore.This is not to say there ARE some great musicians around.
It's been this was for quite some time. It's manufactured today.
But then REAL music has always been a sort of underground movement , a minority thing.
taildragger53 3 months ago
@taildragger53 Very true. Taylor Swift is a fine example.
acfinney1 2 months ago
and btw this was recorded with a live drummer no computers anywhere to be seen just musicians, who are quiet a rare occasion in most studios today.
subatomicuk 2 months ago
@xlmidi
That's right..I recall the first "talkbox" or "talk bag" was used by Stevie Wonder around 1970. Then Jeff Beck used it on his "Blow By Blow" LP in 1973. But the music back then had SOUL. Stevie Wonder could make a tin can sound good! Much of today's is just done for quick cash.
But Herbie's recent CD "Imagine Project" is wonderful and shows that talent lasts!
taildragger53 6 months ago
Gilles Peterson dropped this at the Dingwalls reunion this year - it tore the place apart - WHAT a tune.
mrjamescurry 1 year ago
Musical Genius cannot be summed up in a 4 minute song, sometimes it takes 9 :)
geno604 1 year ago 4
i am gay for this man
Falzetto 1 year ago
Man, this could be a hit! Too bad it's over 4 minutes. We all know pop hits must absolutely be under 4 minutes... XP
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