Obviously back in those eras there was no such thing as ducking into the bathroom or linen cupboard for a "quickie". Firstly you wouldn't fit through the doorway and secondly it would take you 30 minutes just to get the underwear off.
Hahaha. You would be surprised. A lot of people had quickies. No bathrooms though. They didn't have them. And the doors were made big enough - Usually two dors lengths - To let a lady fit through it:)
@bdbailydown Yes it is how they looked. The rump however in the late 18th century changed that and then that led to to crinoline and so on. This time period focused on a wider figure so it was of course flat then they turned.
It's just strange to think that no-one at the time said, "OK, you know what? Wait, wait - everybody STOP! Can anyone tell me what in WORLD we're doing?...Cause I just saw myself in a mirror and I look like a FROSTED CAKE! Is THAT the look we're going for?...I'm waiting!...Somebody needs to tell me SOMETHIN' or I don't take step one outside this house!...Oh, so there's no answer? Alright, you can get ALL this stuff OFF me before I lose my mind and go on one HELLA rampage up in this boudoir!!.."
@thebearclawjones Not everyone agreed with the fashion. There were the few that were bold enough to go against it. The rest liked it or were afraid to defy society because if they did then they would most likely move down in class. Also in the 19th century if you didnt wear a corset then you were considered a whore. If that is the same for the 18th century I can not say but I am sure it was most likely the same.
@seltenertyp I will answere if I may. At 18th century living history events & historical reenactments. You can learn more from my blog at: A Woodsrunner's Diary.
@mmedefarge It's a generally accepted concept that pre-revolutionary fashions during the 18th century were repressive. As with every century in fashion history, with their irrational paradoxes, that idea is true and false. If concerning the wealthy and the rising merchant classes, clothing was a double-edged sword. A well-dressed citizen's clothes said he was wealthy, owned estates and given first voting rights as landowners, was possibly close to the political figureheads, etc, etc.
(cont.) Mens/womens dress were closely tied to antiquated "formal" or court fashion codes and the wealthy were required to follow them (for example, hoops in it's more original form first appeared roughly in the Elizabethan). I'm unable to explain all there is about 18th century clothes here: whole tomes would be needed to cover every crumb of fashion history in detail. My opinion is that, based on today's idea of comfort, clothes could be stifling, but it had it's (albeit unfair) advantages.
@lv2floss Yes, I make these costumes in conjunction with my sister. We have made some very ornate ones and some that are quite simple, as well as a few like this.
Please message me for more details if you'd like to consider commission work.
wow thanks for this video dear! but i have one question. i want to make a costume inspired by the 18th century (it will not supposed to be completely correct) but i don't know from which kind of fabric and should make it. from what kind of fabric did you make the last two layers of your costume??
@XxLevynxX Those were made with silk taffeta. It's a very luxurious kind of natural fiber fabric (though you might think tissue paper at first!) and is one of the oldest types of weave in history.
Quality silk taffeta is expensive - you'll find it and silk satin retail anywhere from $12 to over $100USD per yard. So a proper mock up is always a must, regardless of how authentic it will be or not (basically the garment made in dirt cheap fabric to try fitting, size, etc before the real thing.)
@glowygirl Thanks. :) Yes, I make all of my own costumes and every layer that goes with them.
I'd suggest reading books. More books the better! Many will have to be taken with more than a tablespoon of salt, but some titles are very worth getting from the library (anything by Linda Baumgarten, Norah Waugh, Janet Arnold and "17th-18th Century Fashion in Detail" by Avril Hart all contain invaluable resources).
A basic knowledge of sewing would also be good. Machine sewing is fine (I do that occasionally if I'm cut for time): just be sure that your stitch options are on the most basic settings.
If you intend to try hand sewing, that would involve learning some historic techniques. And if you care about "fashion authenticity" (something costume snarks are *very* keen on), always go for the heaviest silk taffetas/satins you can find. Otherwise, silk is anything but cheap, so go for cottons or linens. :)
@igor62191 I made the paniers you see in the video. It is something you can either make, with some practice, or buy. The price would depend on size and the material used. Please message me for more details.
@Grymm23 Yeah, thanks for reminding me. :) But we could not show them in the video as, alas, not even period shoes are allowed on the house carpet... :P
@o0TheBeesKnees0o They (or a servant) would lift the layers and, pardon me, just "go." :)
It's much easier than you'd think, provided you have some extra space, because it's just a wire cage under the petticoats that you just pick up. And as a woman did not wear underwear down below as we do today (that was an idea that stemmed from the 19th century "pantalettes," though modern underwear itself is less than 100 years old), that was all there was to it.
What steel do you use in your panier, and how do you make sure it stands out and remains rigid under the weight of the petticoats in the sides?( in other words - how do you prevent the top part sides/steels from sloping down, forcing the skirt-shape to be rounded instead of sharp-cornered?)
@DenLillaSomHeterJag Hoop steel, as far as I have learned and know, is the best and most durable for paniers. As to how to keep it rigid, there are tunnel casings to hold the steel and tapes to keep the panier's shape. Otherwise, the panier billows out like a round farthingale or 1860 bell hoop. The steel is so strong (you need home appliance pliers/fence cutters to cut it) it can stretch the fabric, so a minimal-stretch fabric like linen would be a good choice.
@Evange It would seem so... but the purpose of the petticoats is to add volume, add "pouf" to the skirts, to disguise the bones of the steel in the panier (hoopskirt). And, of course, it's just being "authentic" and true to the era to do it this way. :)
Hey, I’m soon going to make the panniers and the corset, I just wanted to know do you need more than one layer of steel boning for each ring in the panniers and the corset? On the pattern I have got it doesn't exactly say how you mark out on the fabric for the caseings/channels to be placed on, could you give me any tips how? Thank you =]
@tell8me8more You will need a single layer of steel per ring, i.e. it will have to be measured and cut in one length per ring. In the video you can see the diff. layers in the panier. The same is true for the stays (corset) - you will only need a one length per tunnel.
Make sure you don't use the same kind of steel for the panier and stays. If you use the flat corset steel sold in most shops, it won't be strong enough for the paniers and will droop a bit. Use hoop steel for the paniers. :)
@tell8me8more Regarding where to place the tunnel casings, I suggest you check out marquise.de on the "How-To: Panier" page in the 18th century section. While it's a basic site, it provides more info on tunnels than I'm able to provide here.
@avmr81@avmr81 The petticoats and the hoop are two separate layers. The hoop is made with steel and is what bulks up the dress's frame (contrary to the popular modern idea that women suffocated under hundreds of heavy petticoats - the finished ensembles are actually very light). The petticoat is only a thin fabric layer that smooths and covers the "bones" of the steel in the hoop. :)
If you are referring to which layer goes on last, it is a decorated petticoat (here, it is the red petticoat).
@cazonetta Hi thank you for your answer but I was wondering if you buy the hoops or if you make them , and will it be dificult if I tried makeing it myfelf ? thanks
@avmr81 I make all of my own hoops, including the one in this video. If you make it yourself, it depends on your sewing skills. If you are a beginner, you might want to research modern sewing techniques before branching into historical sewing. Modern and historical techniques are very different, and while it's possible for you to use a machine, it's best to become more knowledgeable about the article you're trying to recreate (to avoid wasting material, etc).
@AshNight1214 I'd used two. The font for the numbers is Tagettes. For whatever reason my computer didn't registered the official font name I'd used for the title (it just says "script"), so I'm afraid I don't know. It looks a bit similar to Freebooter Script.
@KingAndrewI Yes, they are made of silk taffeta. Most era underpetticoats were made of less auspicious material for the middle to lower class lady. The silk was more of a personal choice here to give it the lift and texture we were looking for.
Who is that girl in the dress?? She is so hideously ugly lol.
drysift 6 days ago
@drysift Who is that pusherman in your closet?
cazonetta 5 days ago
Beautfull!!
LUIZBOURBON 3 weeks ago
Sooo beautiful! I want it!
munkeygurl 1 month ago
is that the simplicity 3635 pattern?
gigithefunnygirl098 1 month ago
Obviously back in those eras there was no such thing as ducking into the bathroom or linen cupboard for a "quickie". Firstly you wouldn't fit through the doorway and secondly it would take you 30 minutes just to get the underwear off.
smithhayleyerin 1 month ago
@smithhayleyerin
Hahaha. You would be surprised. A lot of people had quickies. No bathrooms though. They didn't have them. And the doors were made big enough - Usually two dors lengths - To let a lady fit through it:)
munkeygurl 1 month ago
But with all of that on, what if you had to pee?
Morrigan070671 2 months ago
Haha..."The Bread and Butter" by Mozart!
I can't believe you MADE these costumes...it's incredible...
daisybkim 2 months ago
a SMALL set of panniers?!?!?!
gigithefunnygirl098 2 months ago
Lovely! I love the color choices!
Elemiriel 3 months ago
No wonder why ladies had dressing maids back then!
courtneydebian 3 months ago
好美的服裝
Linyuyao 4 months ago
WHen you turn to the side, you look so flat. This is really how it looked back then??
bdbailydown 4 months ago
@bdbailydown Yes it is how they looked. The rump however in the late 18th century changed that and then that led to to crinoline and so on. This time period focused on a wider figure so it was of course flat then they turned.
Chris25rod 2 months ago in playlist old fashion
It's just strange to think that no-one at the time said, "OK, you know what? Wait, wait - everybody STOP! Can anyone tell me what in WORLD we're doing?...Cause I just saw myself in a mirror and I look like a FROSTED CAKE! Is THAT the look we're going for?...I'm waiting!...Somebody needs to tell me SOMETHIN' or I don't take step one outside this house!...Oh, so there's no answer? Alright, you can get ALL this stuff OFF me before I lose my mind and go on one HELLA rampage up in this boudoir!!.."
thebearclawjones 4 months ago
@thebearclawjones Not everyone agreed with the fashion. There were the few that were bold enough to go against it. The rest liked it or were afraid to defy society because if they did then they would most likely move down in class. Also in the 19th century if you didnt wear a corset then you were considered a whore. If that is the same for the 18th century I can not say but I am sure it was most likely the same.
Chris25rod 2 months ago in playlist old fashion
how wide are your panniers?? mine are 178 inches in circumference ^..^
DannyDressDesigner 4 months ago in playlist 18th century
Why doesn't it touch the floor?
reinoheya 5 months ago
wow thats awsome
09lealily 5 months ago
beautiful gown :)
MsLoveF 7 months ago
where do you get these cloths
hecate141 7 months ago
looooove it...
marinadc91 7 months ago
<3!
MsPokemonMistress 7 months ago
That was neat. :)
musigirl1986 8 months ago
Can you fit though the door?
deadlybug 9 months ago
Excellent, well presented. Best I have seen so far. Well done.
Regards, Le loup.
Will post here at: A Woodsrunner's Diary (Blog).
historicaltrekking 9 months ago
oh my god i love it i cant find anything like it online
kelalascool 9 months ago
That looks wonderful!
How much does a whole set usually cost?
reinoheya 9 months ago
Excellent, very charming and wonderful to look at. Where do people like you meet and dress like that? Thank you for any info.
seltenertyp 10 months ago
@seltenertyp I will answere if I may. At 18th century living history events & historical reenactments. You can learn more from my blog at: A Woodsrunner's Diary.
historicaltrekking 9 months ago
So beautiful! Thank you!
moontje77 11 months ago
Enchanting! Thank you!
Philip8582 11 months ago
AWSOME VIDEO... I would like to know the name of the music piece you used at the background
MAN! that a lot of layers!! still... it turns out to be a beautiful gown
AretsuChan 11 months ago 2
@AretsuChan Thanks! The music is "Das Butterbrot" by Mozart.
cazonetta 9 months ago
@AretsuChan on reconnait la musique de mozart quand même !!!!
Vampiremoonlight2011 6 months ago
bet them olden day full dresses would fly up in a high wind
MrWindsmear 1 year ago
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mmedefarge 1 year ago
@mmedefarge It's a generally accepted concept that pre-revolutionary fashions during the 18th century were repressive. As with every century in fashion history, with their irrational paradoxes, that idea is true and false. If concerning the wealthy and the rising merchant classes, clothing was a double-edged sword. A well-dressed citizen's clothes said he was wealthy, owned estates and given first voting rights as landowners, was possibly close to the political figureheads, etc, etc.
cazonetta 1 year ago
(cont.) Mens/womens dress were closely tied to antiquated "formal" or court fashion codes and the wealthy were required to follow them (for example, hoops in it's more original form first appeared roughly in the Elizabethan). I'm unable to explain all there is about 18th century clothes here: whole tomes would be needed to cover every crumb of fashion history in detail. My opinion is that, based on today's idea of comfort, clothes could be stifling, but it had it's (albeit unfair) advantages.
cazonetta 1 year ago
Holy shit that is a lot of layers.
MsLiew1901 1 year ago
i so WANT that gown. lovely!
ladyrococo 1 year ago
Wow! You are super talented!
fordablegiff 1 year ago
Hi, Do you make these costumes yourself? The robe is perfectly delicate , ornate and feminine without being too ornate.
Dalia
I'm looking for someone that would be willing to make on for me for my georgian party.
lv2floss 1 year ago
@lv2floss Yes, I make these costumes in conjunction with my sister. We have made some very ornate ones and some that are quite simple, as well as a few like this.
Please message me for more details if you'd like to consider commission work.
cazonetta 1 year ago
That was really awesome!! Thanks for making it! And I have to say: gorgeous dress!!!
somethingtowinby09 1 year ago
How would you make "paniers", what materials would you recommend?
PeleDuPorcelain 1 year ago
@PeleDuPorcelain Please refer to the reply comments to DenLillaSomHeterJag.
cazonetta 1 year ago
love it! please make more videos like this. I love this time period of dress
myRincon 1 year ago
Are you going to try doing some mens ones??? Like to know how it all works :)
Pugwash81 1 year ago
@Pugwash81 Yes, a video on mens clothes is in the making. :)
cazonetta 1 year ago
wow thanks for this video dear! but i have one question. i want to make a costume inspired by the 18th century (it will not supposed to be completely correct) but i don't know from which kind of fabric and should make it. from what kind of fabric did you make the last two layers of your costume??
XxLevynxX 1 year ago
@XxLevynxX Those were made with silk taffeta. It's a very luxurious kind of natural fiber fabric (though you might think tissue paper at first!) and is one of the oldest types of weave in history.
Quality silk taffeta is expensive - you'll find it and silk satin retail anywhere from $12 to over $100USD per yard. So a proper mock up is always a must, regardless of how authentic it will be or not (basically the garment made in dirt cheap fabric to try fitting, size, etc before the real thing.)
cazonetta 1 year ago
@cazonetta thank you so much for the infos <3
XxLevynxX 1 year ago
Do you make all of your costumes? I'm a college student trying to get into this. Where should I start?
glowygirl 1 year ago
@glowygirl Thanks. :) Yes, I make all of my own costumes and every layer that goes with them.
I'd suggest reading books. More books the better! Many will have to be taken with more than a tablespoon of salt, but some titles are very worth getting from the library (anything by Linda Baumgarten, Norah Waugh, Janet Arnold and "17th-18th Century Fashion in Detail" by Avril Hart all contain invaluable resources).
cazonetta 1 year ago
A basic knowledge of sewing would also be good. Machine sewing is fine (I do that occasionally if I'm cut for time): just be sure that your stitch options are on the most basic settings.
If you intend to try hand sewing, that would involve learning some historic techniques. And if you care about "fashion authenticity" (something costume snarks are *very* keen on), always go for the heaviest silk taffetas/satins you can find. Otherwise, silk is anything but cheap, so go for cottons or linens. :)
cazonetta 1 year ago
great job!
glowygirl 1 year ago
Hello
I love your videos
And I'd like to know
where can I find "paniers" to buy?
Or is it something we can just have If we do by ourselfs?
And if we can buy it, how much it would cost?
Thank you
Igor
igor62191 1 year ago
@igor62191 I made the paniers you see in the video. It is something you can either make, with some practice, or buy. The price would depend on size and the material used. Please message me for more details.
cazonetta 1 year ago
Where did you get the corset or did you make it as well?
Labryschick 1 year ago
@Labryschick It was made by my sister in this video.
cazonetta 1 year ago
Very pretty, but that just looks so complicated..
TheRedkdawg 1 year ago
@TheRedkdawg We used to be of a similar opinion. If you broke the steps down to the bare basics, it'd look like this:
1. Shift/chemise (slip)
2. Stays (corset) and stockings
3. Pockets and hoop
4. Petticoats
5. Gown
It just takes a little memory on the first few tries. :)
cazonetta 1 year ago
@cazonetta You forgot to say, shoes on before stays or y'can't bend over to do them up. =o)
Grymm23 1 year ago
@Grymm23 Yeah, thanks for reminding me. :) But we could not show them in the video as, alas, not even period shoes are allowed on the house carpet... :P
cazonetta 1 year ago
What happens when you have to go to the bathroom? :/
o0TheBeesKnees0o 1 year ago 2
@o0TheBeesKnees0o They (or a servant) would lift the layers and, pardon me, just "go." :)
It's much easier than you'd think, provided you have some extra space, because it's just a wire cage under the petticoats that you just pick up. And as a woman did not wear underwear down below as we do today (that was an idea that stemmed from the 19th century "pantalettes," though modern underwear itself is less than 100 years old), that was all there was to it.
cazonetta 1 year ago
O wow!!!! i am a fan!!!! of the past styles<3!!
:D i absolutely!!! love this video<3!!!:) thank you for putting it :D!
pepperhotty1 1 year ago
Very pretty dress, but I really can't understand why people back then wanted to have their lower bodies resemble mattresses.
bajubner 1 year ago
Hi,
What steel do you use in your panier, and how do you make sure it stands out and remains rigid under the weight of the petticoats in the sides?( in other words - how do you prevent the top part sides/steels from sloping down, forcing the skirt-shape to be rounded instead of sharp-cornered?)
Delightful costume!
DenLillaSomHeterJag 1 year ago
@DenLillaSomHeterJag Hoop steel, as far as I have learned and know, is the best and most durable for paniers. As to how to keep it rigid, there are tunnel casings to hold the steel and tapes to keep the panier's shape. Otherwise, the panier billows out like a round farthingale or 1860 bell hoop. The steel is so strong (you need home appliance pliers/fence cutters to cut it) it can stretch the fabric, so a minimal-stretch fabric like linen would be a good choice.
cazonetta 1 year ago
@DenLillaSomHeterJag they use here a spring steel wire.
MrLeolois 1 year ago
It would be fairly straightforward to combine all those petticoats with the hoopskirt to make one garment.
Evange 1 year ago
@Evange It would seem so... but the purpose of the petticoats is to add volume, add "pouf" to the skirts, to disguise the bones of the steel in the panier (hoopskirt). And, of course, it's just being "authentic" and true to the era to do it this way. :)
cazonetta 1 year ago
@cazonetta No no, I mean like have the same amount of layers, just combine them into one drawstring at the top.
Evange 1 year ago
I love 18th century clothing, where can I get something like this? With all the layers and everything.
tayycee 1 year ago
Hey, I’m soon going to make the panniers and the corset, I just wanted to know do you need more than one layer of steel boning for each ring in the panniers and the corset? On the pattern I have got it doesn't exactly say how you mark out on the fabric for the caseings/channels to be placed on, could you give me any tips how? Thank you =]
tell8me8more 1 year ago
@tell8me8more You will need a single layer of steel per ring, i.e. it will have to be measured and cut in one length per ring. In the video you can see the diff. layers in the panier. The same is true for the stays (corset) - you will only need a one length per tunnel.
Make sure you don't use the same kind of steel for the panier and stays. If you use the flat corset steel sold in most shops, it won't be strong enough for the paniers and will droop a bit. Use hoop steel for the paniers. :)
cazonetta 1 year ago
@tell8me8more Regarding where to place the tunnel casings, I suggest you check out marquise.de on the "How-To: Panier" page in the 18th century section. While it's a basic site, it provides more info on tunnels than I'm able to provide here.
cazonetta 1 year ago
Hi do you make the bottom part the hoop or wired petticoat ? thanks
avmr81 1 year ago
@avmr81 @avmr81 The petticoats and the hoop are two separate layers. The hoop is made with steel and is what bulks up the dress's frame (contrary to the popular modern idea that women suffocated under hundreds of heavy petticoats - the finished ensembles are actually very light). The petticoat is only a thin fabric layer that smooths and covers the "bones" of the steel in the hoop. :)
If you are referring to which layer goes on last, it is a decorated petticoat (here, it is the red petticoat).
cazonetta 1 year ago
@cazonetta Hi thank you for your answer but I was wondering if you buy the hoops or if you make them , and will it be dificult if I tried makeing it myfelf ? thanks
avmr81 1 year ago
@avmr81 I make all of my own hoops, including the one in this video. If you make it yourself, it depends on your sewing skills. If you are a beginner, you might want to research modern sewing techniques before branching into historical sewing. Modern and historical techniques are very different, and while it's possible for you to use a machine, it's best to become more knowledgeable about the article you're trying to recreate (to avoid wasting material, etc).
cazonetta 1 year ago
OMG....I love your video. You are really hardcore rococo historian. And your paintings rocks too!! Please keep going !!
tokyopiglet 1 year ago
Where did you purchase each of these from?
The hoop-pannier, the dress ( the red part and the yellow part) This is lovely :) great job :)
PinkBallerina1996 1 year ago
@PinkBallerina1996 Thanks! We make them of course. :) We have an online store dedicated just to all our creations.
cazonetta 1 year ago
I love these kind of Videos, so inspiring, and you're so adorable :D
Unfortunately I can't watch the late 18th century Video because of the Sony ME content :-(
Oh and awesome work btw! I wonder if I ever finish my projects, so time consuming :D
Greetings from Germany! :)
LadyRevenga 1 year ago
What was that font you used at the very beginning?
AshNight1214 1 year ago
@AshNight1214 I'd used two. The font for the numbers is Tagettes. For whatever reason my computer didn't registered the official font name I'd used for the title (it just says "script"), so I'm afraid I don't know. It looks a bit similar to Freebooter Script.
cazonetta 1 year ago
Are the underpetticoats taffeta?
KingAndrewI 1 year ago
@KingAndrewI Yes, they are made of silk taffeta. Most era underpetticoats were made of less auspicious material for the middle to lower class lady. The silk was more of a personal choice here to give it the lift and texture we were looking for.
cazonetta 1 year ago
@cazonetta That's a good idea, I'll have to remember to do that too.
KingAndrewI 1 year ago
really fantastic!!
i love it!!
nice work :)
greetings from spain
elinacoraxviii 1 year ago
really fantastic!!
i love it!!
nice work :)
greetings from spain
elinacoraxviii 1 year ago
It looks quite beautiful :)
You did a great job
psYnel 1 year ago
This was just adorably informative^_^ Mozart was a lovely choice of music, by the way, and I am just bedazzled by the work put into this outfit!
TohruHime 1 year ago
This was just adorably informative^_^ Mozart was a lovely choice of music, by the way, and I am just bedazzled by the work put into this outfit!
TohruHime 1 year ago
lovely
LadyEvalon 1 year ago
Amazing! I can imagine going to work on the Underground dressed like this (*giggles*)
lilythepink123 1 year ago
Thanks ,that was really interesthing ! enjoyed it .
jplully 1 year ago
beautiful!!!!
Where did you got this costume???
kilegyek 1 year ago
My younger sister (that's her in this video) sewed this gown with the exception of the hoop-panier and red petticoat, which are mine. :)
cazonetta 1 year ago