you know, they say the Famine was not a genocide because it affected areas outside of Ukraine too...
REALLY?
Kuban, populated by majority Ukrainians was also sealed off, like Ukraine,
the areas affected in Kazakhstan, yes, outside of Ukraine, but were populated by whom...
UKRAINIANS!!
no other group of people were so subjugated to the torments the USSR placed on Ukraine during that Genocide.. closed borders, shootings, looting, RT is pitiful for spreading these excuses for a dead regime.
RT news should STOP living in soviet lies by telling the whole world that Ukraine "claims" it was a genocide. It was a genocide against Ukrainians by Joseph Stalin. 7-1- innocent Ukrainians were tortuously starved to death. No claims. TRUTH! everyone who agrees with me should listen. Do not comment, do not watch any of this nonsense and propaganda. It is funded by Russia's president who also says that it was "not a genocide, it was a famine that effected the whole soviet union" Boycott!
...yet by identifying it... it was impossible to talk about it... and thanks to Chinese-medicine-beer... the right words... and the proper wording... "rolls-off my tongue" ...in other words... the right words come to me... and I still have freight-trains of revenge to pass on... and revenge to get... and I have to continue getting revenge for those... who are no longer with us in the flesh... yet they need it... because getting-revenge is the ultimate reason to live... and will keep you alive...
...and my step-parents had every psychological-koo-koo-book imaginable... and there was this one author... by the name of John Bradshaw... and he had this book titled... "Healing the Shame" ...and for a long time... I could NOT figure out... as to what kind of shame were my step-parents concerned about... yet there was this nagging-feeling... that I just could NOT "place my finger on it" and could NOT "nail it down"... and then later on in life... I started identifing the emotional vibe/feeling
...and just to ad... the Soviets can always claim... and say... that it could have been so much worse... or that the people in charge... they could have been so much more strict... and so many more people could have been tourcherd... and arrested... and that they did show restraint... and were merciful... and that the Ukrainians should be thankful for being alive... hmmm... because those were the mindfucking tactics that my step-father used... so I will forgive him... and accept him as my father
...and I am talking to those who remember... or who were told of what happened by their grandfathers... or their grate-grandfathers... and to get revenge... and to make things right... hmmm... because the Soviet Union was an... an experiment at multiculturalism... and so every one will forget... and or forgive... and to kill-off any one who might remember... and to kill the eye witnesses... so nobody will even talk about it... and it will be a distant memory...
...now ...this video... is a mindfuck to DISARM any one who feels upset... and so the Ukrainian MEN... will forgive... and move on with their life... and just accept it... and to just forgive... and understand... and pray along with the Russians... and to make friends with the Soviets/Russians who benefited from everything that the Soviet Union did... and to maybe meditate together... and hold hands... and to accept the Russians as their rightful masters... because the Soviets were merciful...
Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner who spent 8 years in Gulag labor camps in Siberia and 3 years in exile and who is hardly a "Communist regime sympathizer" wrote about the Holodomor campaign in 2008:
"This provocateurs outcry about "genocide" began to emerge decades later - first secretly, in the musty chauvinistic minds, viciously opposed to "Muscovites" - and now ascended to government circles of today's Ukraine, to surpass even the dashing swirls of Bolshevik propaganda "
I recommend the book by a Canadian Douglas Tottle 'Fraud, Famine and Fascism" just google "fraud,famine and fascism"
The author was probably a bit naive about USSR and too pro-socialist but the facts he uncovered about the proliferation of this lie of "ethnic genocide" are incredible...
Really, I did not know that? Please verify where, when and how he called the Holodomor a "gestapo-created myth". Could these be your words? Denying the existance of the atrocity is ignorance, and possibly stupidity. However, there is no excuse for such obvious propaganda!
@marika19502011 If Stalin and Bolsheviks wanted "to starve the Ukraine" why were tons of food from the State Reserve sent to Ukraine in 1933-34? (That is when hunger was still all over the country)?
Or why did Stalin give Ukraine parts of Poland and Romania and a permanent seat in the UN after the war?
Or why chairman Khruschev gave Russian Crimea to Ukraine in 1954? Or why ukrainian Brezhnev ruled USSR for 18 years?
if you claim that Famine of 1932-33 in the Soviet Union was a deliberate genocide of the Ukrainian population can you answer why in Feb 1933 Central Government issued a decree to send from state reserves 2,3 mln "pud" (old Russian measure 1 pud=16 kilograms=30 lbs) of food relief - 1 mln to Dnepropetrovsk Region; Odessa Region 0,8 mln, Kharkov - 0,3 mln and 0,2 mln reserve. 4 mln for livestock and 20,3 mln of grain for sowing.
Special central food relief fund to help children was established - 700 tons of flour, 170 tons of sugar, 100,000 canned foods, 50 tons of cereals and 500 tons of sunflower oil.
In March for supply of bread to the Ukrainian cities 735 tons of wheat were distributed: Vinnitsa region - 145 tons, Kiev region - 200 tons, Odessa region - 120 tons, Kharkov - 135 tons;
Stalin and the Russia's Bolsheviks were guilty of numerous genocides, the most heinous, cunning and clever, was the Holodomor--murder by hunger--by engineered famine in 1930s Ukraine.
Russians should be ashamed of Putin's propaganda campaign to protect Bolshevik criminals from the consequences of their heinous genocides in Ukraine and elsewhere.
In 2008, the government of Ukraine, the United States, the Senate of Canada, UNESCO and the United Nations joined more than 40 jurisdictions around the world to officially condemn the famine and recognize it as genocide.
@itchyjaja those numbers are fabricated and uses in-accurate statistics, tell me how USA ends up on top-10 with no universal health care or working educational system while Russia with free and working health/education ends up at bottom of the (on yours) ranks??? see, dumb reply, don't post anymore with your statistics.
Fuck your propaganda! You killed us! Free Leonard Peltier! Just as america lies about how the Natives faced genocide in america, the soviet followers want to say the same about the UKrainians. FUCK YOU! WE WILL PREVAIL!
Fuck that soviet system! Ukranianos, let us look to our comrades-Bobby Sands, Huey Newton- They killed us like the american indians! Stand up Brothers/Sisters-Viva Ukraine!
yes of course and stalin was totally uninvolved or jewish too? stop tha bullshit..nothing happened without stalin in those years, he's the main responsible
i'm a historian my dear, i know how to do research. you are a xenophobe, antisemite and nationalist...and thus should not talk about history...in fact best not talk at all. all you are able to do is repeat rumors and insult people. try true arguments, it's great believe me.
What's an antisemite? If you are so smart, please name all the semitic tribes/populations of the globe. I'll tell you what you are: A FUCKING JEW-and the word "antisemitic" means nothing. I'm anti jewish and jews are anti-world. We all know your description of non-jews as "slaves of the jews" too well. FUCK YOU, JEW!
what institution did they let you out of? do you really think being jewish automatically defines your character? well then you can shake hands with mister hitler, who was anti world as well by the way....does that make you and him jewish too? please try to use your brain. fight with arguments, proper ones, insults like these are arguments against you, you make a fool of yourself.. by the way i'm protestatnt.
you like to listen to famous men, i like to think for myself. that is why i'm a historian and you...well you aren't much at all, apart from hate- and prejudice driven.
why do keep calling me a jew that's funny too. i'm not jewish and i don't think ofthe word as an insult. aren't you clever enough to see it doesn't bother me being called a jew although i'm not one...geee get a life. what happened tp you?
The Ukraine was the wheat growing breadbasket of Europe.but in 1932 most Ukrainian christians rebelled against the Jewish Bolsheviks for independence.The communist bolsheviks headed by Stalin sent in the red army to confiscate all the food,a nightmare ensued.The forced famine killed at least 10million Ukrainians.Holodomor as it is know was a Zionist controlled mass murder which many think as the real Holocaust.
This is RUSSIAN BULLSHIT! ALL THE HISTORIANS INTERVIEWED IN THIS VIDEO ARE RUSSIANS. Russians just need to stop lying and saying that it barely affected Ukraine. THERE WERE MORE THAN 15 MILLION uKRAINIANS WHO DIED FROM THIS! STOP LYING! ITS VERY ANNOYING
ive read about this. ironically 'socialist' state opened shops during famine where you could buy food for skyhigh prices with gold/valuables. they made serious money with it. bastards. starved 6-10 milion people and made money of it. thats more victims than the whole so bloated holocaust! im sorry for them.
It was the practie of the Talmudic-Communist ideology at the extrem.
Quit the things to the goym and may the jew rules,the goy should die.
Israel don't regocognize it.I have found many,many,many people who only knows about Holocaust,but if you ask to them about Holodomor or Armenian one,they don't know anything.
About Yushenko,he is wrong.He thinks that Ukrainia was a victim of the Russians.Lie.Russia and Ukrainia were vicimts of the jewish bolsheviks.They are slavs brothers,not enemies.
It is very interesting how governments in today's societies fabricate and manipulate history in order to create public consent that fits their agendas on foreign policy issues. Ukraine is very good example of this phenomenon as well as some other eastern europeean governments that have slowly increasing ultra-nationalist populus.
what the fuck are you guys posting. these 10 million innocent people died the most horrible death and now you are just trampling upon them. these 3 000 000 kids wanted to live as you do. Stalin is the same evil as Hitler. but the God keeps eyes on us....
This is a quote from a communist leader speaking in the Kharkiv region in 1934:
"Famine in Ukraine was brought on to decrease the number of Ukrainians, replace the dead with people from other parts of the USSR, and thereby to kill the slightest thought of any Ukrainian independence."
- V. Danilov et al., Sovetskaia derevnia glazami OGPU_NKVD. T. 3, kn.2. Moscow 2004. P.572
Communism brought suffering and death to the world. Stalin killed maybe 20 million, Mao almoust 40 million and Pol Pot killed 1/3 of his population! Thank you communism!
stalin killed about 15 million ukrainians!but haha Mao didnt kill 40 million people!actually he killed about 500 000 citizens but still its a big number!Fuck communism brother
You have been deceived. Yes, Drugashvili did kill millions of people, but he was not a communist. In fact, there has never been a communist country. Read Marx's books. Then you will hopefully understand. Stalin was nothing more than a totalitarian dictator.
If the CCCP were truly communist, the people would be very open minded, free, without a government, etc.
Trotsky was a Marxist, and he murdered millions too. Prior to Stalin. But still, Leon Trotsky murdered millions. Stalin was a Communist indeed, and he spread international Marxism during WW2 more than Trotsky ever succesfully did. Also Che Guevara was a mass-murdering terrorist. He is probably your hero? Do you know Marx was friends with the Rothschild banking dynasty in London? Are you still a devoted fanatic follower of this conflict mongerer! God bless and convert you!
I find it quite funny that you are prejudging me so much. I know much about Marx's life. I have moved on from Marx. I see a lot more humanity in anarchism. Particularly anarcho-communism. Do you know what that is?
Anarchism contradicts nature and legitimate natural order. Anarchists also committed genocides in Catalonia and Barcelona during the Spanish Civil War. Anarchists committed terrorist attacks. Disorder (anarchy) solves nothing. It is puberile rebellion, with a very cunning force behind it, but without any chance at survival. It must collapse due to its own ideology. Only Christianity serves and has served humanity, and only Christianity preaches true charity.
A big lie!?!?! This has been talked about in Ukrainian Diaspora for YEARS. My grandparents lived through it and I heard of the horrors of Soviet Troops ravaging their farm house looking for hidden food.
The only lie we have is the one coming from the Kremlin - a historical lie about the origin and intent of the genocide-famine in Ukraine. But this lie will not go away until it is acknowledged by the Kremlin's leadership.
USA wants the Ukrainian people to hate Russian people in order to convince them to enter NATO.
Of course there is no doubt that Stalin killed millions, but not only in Ukraine and not only in USSR. But now that USSR collapsed what is the purpose of making the famine an ideological tool?
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..Trotsky..
Have a look at a new video on youtube:
Remembering Holodomor Ukraine's Genocide
(by NTDTV)
a quote by one famous Ukrainian singer in this video:
"The communist parties created another generation of barbarians and they continue to tremple on their soules ( the victim's souls)"...
Lev.. you are one of the barbarians in this case and Putin is another - but as a former KGB operative Putin had access to true information and as such he is a barbarian on a much higher level.
I believe you want to sell your country to NATO for a few dollars, that is the dream of your life. Then you are going to be an accomplished petit bourgeois, an enemy of real democracy
you shit on ussr people who had to be in ussr with out a choise and you saing you shit on them? is that because your grandparents didn't do shit but seat and eat mcDonalds?
Sorry guys, everything I said is to "bunk90" he is the one who doesn't know that alot of NaziS and Soviets had to fight because they did not have a choice, and unfortunatly "bunk90" thinks that All of soviets and nazis fought because they wanted too. Plus Stalin, Hitler and other powerful people back then had to make a decision. War is Hell, and we don't need it. I wish everybody PEACE,LOVE!
Mr Mark Tauger studied only archives, and wrong sources, and then concludes because of later harvests, that the Famine Holodomor was not a genocide. A weird methodology. So Germans living in Jewish houses afterwards, means that national-socialists did not want to eradicate Jewish culture?
More than 7 million Ukrainians were killed in the Holodomor Genocide by the Marxist internationalists of the USSR. Of course there were simultaneous genocides against ethnic Russian kulaks, against cossacks and Kazahkstani. Of course. But the Holodomor is an historical fact.
Oh yes they were Marxists. The dictatorship of the proletariate, that is what they were following. Marxists are adoring and idolizing the masses of workers and soldiers, but not anti-authoritarian. That is only your Romantic naive view of Marxism. Marxism murdered more persons than National-Socialism ever did. Marxism killed more than ANY idea ever did. It is a divide-and-conquer strategy.
So you admit that Marx's theory itself justified genocide against the "bourgeoisie" the "kulacks", the "reactionaries" (clergy) etc. etc.? And you still justify this ideology of Marx?
"Anarchy" is derived from the Greek word "Anarchos". It means "without leader". Anarchism is not chaos. In anarchism there is no leader, but that does not mean there are no laws.
You have only seen the violent individuals, haven't you? Most of said people has misenterpreted the what anarchism is.
It is an illusion to think that without an authority or leader or leading institution, men can 'organize themselves'.
I am a Christian. Heaven is hierarchic. Even the angels are organized as a hierarchy amongst themselves. I am not anti-democratic, but I am against total anarchy. I am not for laws on everything of course. I am pro-freedom. But in necessary things, there must last order and supreme power always.
No, but my great uncle, an ex-Protestant communist volunteer in the Spanish Civil War did. He saw the Anarchist government in Cataluña (Catalonia) around Barcelona, and their terrorism against the small farmers, their mass murder against Catholic clergy (he was not even a Catholic himself). He was shocked. When he entered Republic Madrid and experienced the murder tactics of the Trotskyites and Stalinists towards each other, he was finally cured from the illness of Marxism-Leninism BTW.
While I think you are a decent person yourself, those explicitly allying themselves to Anarchism and its ideology, also recognize that anarchism does not recognize objective good and wrong, not the Ten Commandments, not even basic respect for the right to life and freedom of all human beings. In fact, they reject morality as "imposed by authority". In anarchism there is only subjectivist 'morality'. This immorality leads persons to justify murdering other-thinking people, i.e. innocent Clergy.
I follow Our Lord and God Jesus Christ, Son of God, Who is the fulfillment of the promises made to the Jewish people, of Old Covenant Judaism. I adhere to the New Covenant. I am Roman Catholic apostolic Christian.
I was brought up a nominal Catholic and developed into a practicing Catholic.
As for early Islam: I consider early Islam a syncretistic religion composed from Arianism heresy, from Talmud and other concepts from rabbis and from pagan Arab native polytheist religions (Kaaba site was once polytheist idolatry site). Early Islam destroyed much of Antique and early Christian Near East cultures and heritage.
I have investigated much about the anarchist,stalinist,trotskist terror in Spain during the "democratic"II Republic and they were really more dangerous even than Franco.
I think,stalinists would have won the differences and the anarchists even would have been killed.
They were the favourites of Stalin,the murderer of Trotsky was spanish,rememebr it.
Georgians(Stalin and Ko) sent 20 millions of russians to Gulag and killed in sum 50 millions of russians during first 20 century part,germans rapped millions of russians.30.000 finns is so small,any way Gorby vs Yeltsin already gave to you all apologizes
This is a quote from a communist leader speaking in the Kharkiv region in 1934:
"Famine in Ukraine was brought on to decrease the number of Ukrainians, replace the dead with people from other parts of the USSR, and thereby to kill the slightest thought of any Ukrainian independence."
- V. Danilov et al., Sovetskaia derevnia glazami OGPU_NKVD. T. 3, kn.2. Moscow 2004. P.572
if are they saying ,that, seed(crop)grain was taken , if the grain that was returned , after the time of sowing , then it could be considered Administrative Genocide ,genocide by red tape ,the same thing that killed the ussr , ??????
In the face of terror, Ukrainians had little possibility of escaping their horrific fate or even to create another type of life elsewhere. Travel was banned for Ukrainians, keeping them confined in a prison of starvation within their own villages.
In order to crush the will of the independent-minded Ukrainian peasants and secure collectivization of all Ukrainian lands, Joseph Stalin ordered an army of ruthless, well-fed Communist Party activists to confiscate all harvested grain and seize all the foodstuffs in the villages. As a result of this genocidal decree, by the end of 1933 nearly 25 percent of the Ukrainian population - over 10 million people, including 3 million children - had perished.
what prevision of a doctrine ,of equal in the eyes of the law and one person one vote , caused such horror, i would think that any fair minded person once all fact were presented to them , would give a hart felt apology and composite those left , there are perverted psychotic monsters who gain power ,how do you stop that , I/we are trying to prevent it ?in my own little way :). Democratic socialism is true communism , , dont add sin to sin,
All news from Georgia's president is like "Look at me! Pay attention to me! Evil Russia occupy little democratic Georgia! We must create New World Order! bla bla bla!"
Poor puppets don't know how also to pay attention on them. Tomorrow they will cry something like "we found a 1000 kg bomb in Sukashvili's residency toilet! Pay attention!!!"
How could the Soviets NOT notice that millions of people were dying and called for international help if it couldn't handle it? It seems ethnic cleansing to me.
2) What about genocide of Native Americans? More than 400 year's history of Native American massacres.
While Russian president participates in G20 summit few time ago, in Quartet on the Middle East (Russia,USA,UN,EU), in Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation in Lima today,BRIC,G8,SCO,CSTO,EEC..., in all big economic, political, diplomatic events.
While Russia develop space technology (doing spaceflights more than USA)...
While Russia is continue to win practically in ALL KINDS OF SPORT, summer, winter, football, hockey, all of them, Ushenko is crying, with his best friends (presidents of USA, Blatic States, Georgia and Poland).
Notice, only they support him (poor puppets must do his work, USA is watching on them). Poor liars...
What has this got to do with the famine in Ukraine?
400 years of Native American massacre? The USA is only 212 years old! And it was a war. They fought many battles-Wounded Knee, Crazy Horse, Geronimo, etc, not killing helpless women and children and inducing famine to kill them!
BTW, where did you go to school? One of those Russian diploma mills? Did you pay a professor to get your degree?
Ну-ну, а этот репортаж - просто красивый монтаж, явно заказной. Особенно мне понравились "политологи", которые несли чушь о том, что это все было из-за небольшого урожая. Суки, блядь, пиздливые. Люди, которые выжили рассказывают о том, как это было.
"Голод на Україні був викликаний для того, щоб зменшити кількість українців, пересилити на їхнє місце людей з іншої частини СРСР і цим убити будь-яку думку про самостійність."
,,, Прокопенко, уповноважений Сахновщинського районного виконавчого комітету (Харківської області) проговорився про голод перед групою колгоспників 12 травня 1934 р.
- V. Danilov et al., Sovetskaia derevnia glazami OGPU_NKVD. T. 3, kn.2. Moscow 2004. P.572
This is a quote from a communist leader speaking in the Kharkiv region in 1934:
"Famine in Ukraine was brought on to decrease the number of Ukrainians, replace the dead with people from other parts of the USSR, and thereby to kill the slightest thought of any Ukrainian independence."
- V. Danilov et al., Sovetskaia derevnia glazami OGPU_NKVD. T. 3, kn.2. Moscow 2004. P.572
I think many of the former soviet block countries are hurting big time. I was in uzbekistan March 07 and it really freaked me out by what I saw...it was like stepping back in time....strange shit coming from the west. People are freezing their asses off in that part of the world now.
Why do you repeat this again and again here? Nobody will hear you)) So shut up and stop write about actions, which were 60 years ago! Live today, moron.
you know, they say the Famine was not a genocide because it affected areas outside of Ukraine too...
REALLY?
Kuban, populated by majority Ukrainians was also sealed off, like Ukraine,
the areas affected in Kazakhstan, yes, outside of Ukraine, but were populated by whom...
UKRAINIANS!!
no other group of people were so subjugated to the torments the USSR placed on Ukraine during that Genocide.. closed borders, shootings, looting, RT is pitiful for spreading these excuses for a dead regime.
Stellner74 4 weeks ago
wasent this the reason many ukrainians volunteered for the nazis specificly the SS galicia in order to fight the red army?
realgraff16 5 months ago
RT news should STOP living in soviet lies by telling the whole world that Ukraine "claims" it was a genocide. It was a genocide against Ukrainians by Joseph Stalin. 7-1- innocent Ukrainians were tortuously starved to death. No claims. TRUTH! everyone who agrees with me should listen. Do not comment, do not watch any of this nonsense and propaganda. It is funded by Russia's president who also says that it was "not a genocide, it was a famine that effected the whole soviet union" Boycott!
trypilla 6 months ago
THE REAL HOLOCAUST!
BENNYSIEGEL90 7 months ago
@BENNYSIEGEL90; right!
RicardoxParedes 2 months ago
why are there no monuments about this outsidse ukraine,even inside.the israel govt will not recognise the ukrainian genocide??
orpheusinundergrowth 8 months ago
The jews did this! The jews was in total control of Soviet 1917 to 1990.
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JewMafiaCrime 8 months ago
...yet by identifying it... it was impossible to talk about it... and thanks to Chinese-medicine-beer... the right words... and the proper wording... "rolls-off my tongue" ...in other words... the right words come to me... and I still have freight-trains of revenge to pass on... and revenge to get... and I have to continue getting revenge for those... who are no longer with us in the flesh... yet they need it... because getting-revenge is the ultimate reason to live... and will keep you alive...
marktsheppard 8 months ago
...and my step-parents had every psychological-koo-koo-book imaginable... and there was this one author... by the name of John Bradshaw... and he had this book titled... "Healing the Shame" ...and for a long time... I could NOT figure out... as to what kind of shame were my step-parents concerned about... yet there was this nagging-feeling... that I just could NOT "place my finger on it" and could NOT "nail it down"... and then later on in life... I started identifing the emotional vibe/feeling
marktsheppard 8 months ago
...and just to ad... the Soviets can always claim... and say... that it could have been so much worse... or that the people in charge... they could have been so much more strict... and so many more people could have been tourcherd... and arrested... and that they did show restraint... and were merciful... and that the Ukrainians should be thankful for being alive... hmmm... because those were the mindfucking tactics that my step-father used... so I will forgive him... and accept him as my father
marktsheppard 8 months ago
...and I am talking to those who remember... or who were told of what happened by their grandfathers... or their grate-grandfathers... and to get revenge... and to make things right... hmmm... because the Soviet Union was an... an experiment at multiculturalism... and so every one will forget... and or forgive... and to kill-off any one who might remember... and to kill the eye witnesses... so nobody will even talk about it... and it will be a distant memory...
marktsheppard 8 months ago
...now ...this video... is a mindfuck to DISARM any one who feels upset... and so the Ukrainian MEN... will forgive... and move on with their life... and just accept it... and to just forgive... and understand... and pray along with the Russians... and to make friends with the Soviets/Russians who benefited from everything that the Soviet Union did... and to maybe meditate together... and hold hands... and to accept the Russians as their rightful masters... because the Soviets were merciful...
marktsheppard 8 months ago
Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner who spent 8 years in Gulag labor camps in Siberia and 3 years in exile and who is hardly a "Communist regime sympathizer" wrote about the Holodomor campaign in 2008:
"This provocateurs outcry about "genocide" began to emerge decades later - first secretly, in the musty chauvinistic minds, viciously opposed to "Muscovites" - and now ascended to government circles of today's Ukraine, to surpass even the dashing swirls of Bolshevik propaganda "
DrMundo74 8 months ago
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I recommend the book by a Canadian Douglas Tottle 'Fraud, Famine and Fascism" just google "fraud,famine and fascism"
The author was probably a bit naive about USSR and too pro-socialist but the facts he uncovered about the proliferation of this lie of "ethnic genocide" are incredible...
DrMundo74 8 months ago
Really, I did not know that? Please verify where, when and how he called the Holodomor a "gestapo-created myth". Could these be your words? Denying the existance of the atrocity is ignorance, and possibly stupidity. However, there is no excuse for such obvious propaganda!
marika19502011 9 months ago
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@marika19502011 If Stalin and Bolsheviks wanted "to starve the Ukraine" why were tons of food from the State Reserve sent to Ukraine in 1933-34? (That is when hunger was still all over the country)?
Or why did Stalin give Ukraine parts of Poland and Romania and a permanent seat in the UN after the war?
Or why chairman Khruschev gave Russian Crimea to Ukraine in 1954? Or why ukrainian Brezhnev ruled USSR for 18 years?
DrMundo74 8 months ago
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if you claim that Famine of 1932-33 in the Soviet Union was a deliberate genocide of the Ukrainian population can you answer why in Feb 1933 Central Government issued a decree to send from state reserves 2,3 mln "pud" (old Russian measure 1 pud=16 kilograms=30 lbs) of food relief - 1 mln to Dnepropetrovsk Region; Odessa Region 0,8 mln, Kharkov - 0,3 mln and 0,2 mln reserve. 4 mln for livestock and 20,3 mln of grain for sowing.
DrMundo74 8 months ago
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Special central food relief fund to help children was established - 700 tons of flour, 170 tons of sugar, 100,000 canned foods, 50 tons of cereals and 500 tons of sunflower oil.
In March for supply of bread to the Ukrainian cities 735 tons of wheat were distributed: Vinnitsa region - 145 tons, Kiev region - 200 tons, Odessa region - 120 tons, Kharkov - 135 tons;
Dnepropetrovsk region - 135 tons.
DrMundo74 8 months ago
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March 18 by order of the Central Committee 6 mln pounds of food relief is allocated to Kiev region.
etc,etc...
All that food was sent to the Ukraine when there was shortage of food all over USSR.
Does it not contradict the propaganda how Kremlin wanted to starve Ukraine?
DrMundo74 8 months ago
The hollowdomore is nothing but a gestapo-created myth, even solzjenitsyn called it bullshit.
Fridaey13txhOktober 9 months ago
The point was not Stalin's nationality but his political power was Soviet Russia.
marika19502011 9 months ago
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Stalin and the Russia's Bolsheviks were guilty of numerous genocides, the most heinous, cunning and clever, was the Holodomor--murder by hunger--by engineered famine in 1930s Ukraine.
Bosirant 10 months ago
STALIN WAS A RUSSIAN COMMUNIIST. tHE RUSSIAN POLITICIANS CAUSED HOLODOMOR, MURDERING 10 MILLION PEOPLE. BLAME NO ONE BUT THR COMMUNISTS UNDER STALIN.
marika19502011 11 months ago 4
@marika19502011
Stalin was Georgian lol.
Warsie 9 months ago
Hollowdomore is nothing but a myth.
Fridaey13txhOktober 9 months ago
3 million or 10 million, it was still genocide by the Soviets, especially Soviet Jews against the people of Ukraine.
73wanab 1 year ago 4
This is the REAL HOLOCAUST, its a SHAME we aren't taught this in America, probably cause it would labeled 'Anti Semetic'.
roobadoob1984 1 year ago 5
Russians should be ashamed of Putin's propaganda campaign to protect Bolshevik criminals from the consequences of their heinous genocides in Ukraine and elsewhere.
Bosirant 1 year ago 3
In 2008, the government of Ukraine, the United States, the Senate of Canada, UNESCO and the United Nations joined more than 40 jurisdictions around the world to officially condemn the famine and recognize it as genocide.
macspectrum 1 year ago
Interesting how they learned evil, do on to others as done to them.
I was tricked to give a Ukrainian girl an airline ticket $1800 US dollar, via western union, then she ignored me. Never came to visit.....
I was sympathetic to their culture abused by the russians- Yes I was a sucker.
My point is- evil breeds evil. Ok, only $1800... But I learned she did it to hundreds of us suckers....she got rich fast. Want her name?
Mradamjohnboy 1 year ago
@itchyjaja those numbers are fabricated and uses in-accurate statistics, tell me how USA ends up on top-10 with no universal health care or working educational system while Russia with free and working health/education ends up at bottom of the (on yours) ranks??? see, dumb reply, don't post anymore with your statistics.
X97531X 1 year ago
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" Ukraine's cities are still dominated by Russian elements, in the course of time these cities will be inevitably Ukrainized"
Joseph Stalin,
From the speech at the X Congress of the Party in 1921
watcherwatcher2 1 year ago
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бiографiя ющенко -
Became a communist in his 23 ! (1977)
USSR State Bank - golova (1984-87)
Ukrainian Agro-Industrial Bank - golova (1987-93)
Bank Ukraina - golova (1991-93)
Governor of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) (1993-99)
як ви бачите, це те саме лайно
що поґрабувало наш народ
під час ґіперінфляцій.
in this time Ukraine lost 12 millions of people !
777Simsalabim 1 year ago
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бiографiя ющенко -
Became a communist in his 23 ! (1977)
USSR State Bank - golova (1984-87)
Ukrainian Agro-Industrial Bank - golova (1987-93)
Bank Ukraina - golova (1991-93)
Governor of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) (1993-99)
як ви бачите, це те саме лайно
що поґрабувало наш народ
під час ґіперінфляцій.
in this time Ukraine lost 12 millions of people !
777Simsalabim 1 year ago
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бiографiя ющенко -
Became a communist in his 23 ! (1977)
USSR State Bank - golova (1984-87)
Ukrainian Agro-Industrial Bank - golova (1987-93)
Bank Ukraina - golova (1991-93)
Governor of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) (1993-99)
як ви бачите, це те саме лайно
що поґрабувало наш народ
під час ґіперінфляцій.
in this time Ukraine lost 12 millions of people !
777Simsalabim 1 year ago
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бiографiя ющенко -
Became a communist in his 23 ! (1977)
USSR State Bank - golova (1984-87)
Ukrainian Agro-Industrial Bank - golova (1987-93)
Bank Ukraina - golova (1991-93)
Governor of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) (1993-99)
як ви бачите, це те саме лайно
що поґрабувало наш народ
під час ґіперінфляцій.
in this time Ukraine lost 12 millions of people !
777Simsalabim 1 year ago
бiографiя ющенко -
Became a communist in his 23 ! (1977)
USSR State Bank - golova (1984-87)
Ukrainian Agro-Industrial Bank - golova (1987-93)
Bank Ukraina - golova (1991-93)
Governor of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) (1993-99)
як ви бачите, це те саме лайно
що поґрабувало наш народ
під час ґіперінфляцій.
in this time Ukraine lost 12 millions of people !
777Simsalabim 1 year ago
Fuck your propaganda! You killed us! Free Leonard Peltier! Just as america lies about how the Natives faced genocide in america, the soviet followers want to say the same about the UKrainians. FUCK YOU! WE WILL PREVAIL!
fazzlekrap 1 year ago
Fuck that soviet system! Ukranianos, let us look to our comrades-Bobby Sands, Huey Newton- They killed us like the american indians! Stand up Brothers/Sisters-Viva Ukraine!
fazzlekrap 1 year ago
yes of course and stalin was totally uninvolved or jewish too? stop tha bullshit..nothing happened without stalin in those years, he's the main responsible
lorofcb2 2 years ago
oF COURSE HE WAS A JEW. hIS REAL NAME WAS DAVID VISARION DJUGASHVILI. Get educated, you dumb fuck!
pufycino 2 years ago
i'm a historian my dear, i know how to do research. you are a xenophobe, antisemite and nationalist...and thus should not talk about history...in fact best not talk at all. all you are able to do is repeat rumors and insult people. try true arguments, it's great believe me.
lorofcb2 2 years ago
What's an antisemite? If you are so smart, please name all the semitic tribes/populations of the globe. I'll tell you what you are: A FUCKING JEW-and the word "antisemitic" means nothing. I'm anti jewish and jews are anti-world. We all know your description of non-jews as "slaves of the jews" too well. FUCK YOU, JEW!
pufycino 2 years ago
what institution did they let you out of? do you really think being jewish automatically defines your character? well then you can shake hands with mister hitler, who was anti world as well by the way....does that make you and him jewish too? please try to use your brain. fight with arguments, proper ones, insults like these are arguments against you, you make a fool of yourself.. by the way i'm protestatnt.
lorofcb2 2 years ago
You want arguments? Seee" what famous men said about jews" on YT. Call the antisemitic too. You filthy dumbass jew!
pufycino 2 years ago 3
you like to listen to famous men, i like to think for myself. that is why i'm a historian and you...well you aren't much at all, apart from hate- and prejudice driven.
why do keep calling me a jew that's funny too. i'm not jewish and i don't think ofthe word as an insult. aren't you clever enough to see it doesn't bother me being called a jew although i'm not one...geee get a life. what happened tp you?
lorofcb2 2 years ago
The same clan that carried out this murderous rampage is in control of the outlaw nation: Israel.
ashkenazimindcontrol 2 years ago 3
The Ukraine was the wheat growing breadbasket of Europe.but in 1932 most Ukrainian christians rebelled against the Jewish Bolsheviks for independence.The communist bolsheviks headed by Stalin sent in the red army to confiscate all the food,a nightmare ensued.The forced famine killed at least 10million Ukrainians.Holodomor as it is know was a Zionist controlled mass murder which many think as the real Holocaust.
0775320447 2 years ago 4
well well said. Now if only we can get you on American Media to post the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ashkenazimindcontrol 2 years ago
This is RUSSIAN BULLSHIT! ALL THE HISTORIANS INTERVIEWED IN THIS VIDEO ARE RUSSIANS. Russians just need to stop lying and saying that it barely affected Ukraine. THERE WERE MORE THAN 15 MILLION uKRAINIANS WHO DIED FROM THIS! STOP LYING! ITS VERY ANNOYING
boiscool7 2 years ago 4
omg... bullshit.... russian bullshit will never end......
guculochka 2 years ago 3
how were the farmers supposed to have 'good season' if all their seeds have been confiscated FFS? dammit.
BelmondoAlvaro 2 years ago 3
ive read about this. ironically 'socialist' state opened shops during famine where you could buy food for skyhigh prices with gold/valuables. they made serious money with it. bastards. starved 6-10 milion people and made money of it. thats more victims than the whole so bloated holocaust! im sorry for them.
BelmondoAlvaro 2 years ago 10
It was the practie of the Talmudic-Communist ideology at the extrem.
Quit the things to the goym and may the jew rules,the goy should die.
Israel don't regocognize it.I have found many,many,many people who only knows about Holocaust,but if you ask to them about Holodomor or Armenian one,they don't know anything.
About Yushenko,he is wrong.He thinks that Ukrainia was a victim of the Russians.Lie.Russia and Ukrainia were vicimts of the jewish bolsheviks.They are slavs brothers,not enemies.
TreueumTreueFest62 2 years ago 6
It is very interesting how governments in today's societies fabricate and manipulate history in order to create public consent that fits their agendas on foreign policy issues. Ukraine is very good example of this phenomenon as well as some other eastern europeean governments that have slowly increasing ultra-nationalist populus.
spasev 2 years ago
BETTER DEAD THAN RED!
Madcr0ws 2 years ago 2
what the fuck are you guys posting. these 10 million innocent people died the most horrible death and now you are just trampling upon them. these 3 000 000 kids wanted to live as you do. Stalin is the same evil as Hitler. but the God keeps eyes on us....
Circora 3 years ago
Go muslims, resist an form of communist insurgency. Kill these fuckers by the millions, kill them all.
madcows10 3 years ago
They should have migrated to Russia and started eating russians.
madcows10 3 years ago
madcows10- they couldnt
2009stalker 2 years ago
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This is a quote from a communist leader speaking in the Kharkiv region in 1934:
"Famine in Ukraine was brought on to decrease the number of Ukrainians, replace the dead with people from other parts of the USSR, and thereby to kill the slightest thought of any Ukrainian independence."
- V. Danilov et al., Sovetskaia derevnia glazami OGPU_NKVD. T. 3, kn.2. Moscow 2004. P.572
iBox87 3 years ago 9
The soviets did similar in Baltic countries.They sent russians to colonizate them.
TreueumTreueFest62 2 years ago
Actually that is a 1934 quote from US newspaper owned by William Hearst, not from any archives.
Fridaey13txhOktober 9 months ago
Communism brought suffering and death to the world. Stalin killed maybe 20 million, Mao almoust 40 million and Pol Pot killed 1/3 of his population! Thank you communism!
dualis777 3 years ago
stalin killed about 15 million ukrainians!but haha Mao didnt kill 40 million people!actually he killed about 500 000 citizens but still its a big number!Fuck communism brother
ukraina95 3 years ago
You have been deceived. Yes, Drugashvili did kill millions of people, but he was not a communist. In fact, there has never been a communist country. Read Marx's books. Then you will hopefully understand. Stalin was nothing more than a totalitarian dictator.
If the CCCP were truly communist, the people would be very open minded, free, without a government, etc.
Solechnaya 3 years ago
Trotsky was a Marxist, and he murdered millions too. Prior to Stalin. But still, Leon Trotsky murdered millions. Stalin was a Communist indeed, and he spread international Marxism during WW2 more than Trotsky ever succesfully did. Also Che Guevara was a mass-murdering terrorist. He is probably your hero? Do you know Marx was friends with the Rothschild banking dynasty in London? Are you still a devoted fanatic follower of this conflict mongerer! God bless and convert you!
IustitiaPax 3 years ago 2
Guevara is no hero of mine. I have no heroes.
I find it quite funny that you are prejudging me so much. I know much about Marx's life. I have moved on from Marx. I see a lot more humanity in anarchism. Particularly anarcho-communism. Do you know what that is?
Solechnaya 3 years ago
Anarchism contradicts nature and legitimate natural order. Anarchists also committed genocides in Catalonia and Barcelona during the Spanish Civil War. Anarchists committed terrorist attacks. Disorder (anarchy) solves nothing. It is puberile rebellion, with a very cunning force behind it, but without any chance at survival. It must collapse due to its own ideology. Only Christianity serves and has served humanity, and only Christianity preaches true charity.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
Mao murdered 70 million Chinese. That is a fact. In the Soviet Union a total of 60 million was killed.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
A big lie!?!?! This has been talked about in Ukrainian Diaspora for YEARS. My grandparents lived through it and I heard of the horrors of Soviet Troops ravaging their farm house looking for hidden food.
ukrdancer 3 years ago
Holodomor in term of "genocide of Ukrainin nation" is big propagandish lie
Primorsky 3 years ago
The only lie we have is the one coming from the Kremlin - a historical lie about the origin and intent of the genocide-famine in Ukraine. But this lie will not go away until it is acknowledged by the Kremlin's leadership.
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
It was 17 million deaths!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone that says less is DEAD wrong.
princessliving 3 years ago
USA wants the Ukrainian people to hate Russian people in order to convince them to enter NATO.
Of course there is no doubt that Stalin killed millions, but not only in Ukraine and not only in USSR. But now that USSR collapsed what is the purpose of making the famine an ideological tool?
LevTrotsky1917 3 years ago
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Mr Trotsky..
Nobody wants to hate Russians.
People are pissed off with the Kremlin-leaders interest to possibly move back into the european coutries they were controlling in the past.
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
There is no progress in that direction since those countries are being controlled by US and its allies.
LevTrotsky1917 3 years ago
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Lvo...
Watch, Ukraine is getting ready to take to court the organizers of the genocide-famine of 1933.
Putin will have to start reding books to acknowledge that it was a planned act not a harvest problem.
Ukrainian people will never forget the diabolical plans by the leaders of the Kremlin of that time - not just Stalin.
The victims will wait until Moscow will accept it's deeds.
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
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..Trotsky..
Have a look at a new video on youtube:
Remembering Holodomor Ukraine's Genocide
(by NTDTV)
a quote by one famous Ukrainian singer in this video:
"The communist parties created another generation of barbarians and they continue to tremple on their soules ( the victim's souls)"...
Lev.. you are one of the barbarians in this case and Putin is another - but as a former KGB operative Putin had access to true information and as such he is a barbarian on a much higher level.
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
I believe you want to sell your country to NATO for a few dollars, that is the dream of your life. Then you are going to be an accomplished petit bourgeois, an enemy of real democracy
LevTrotsky1917 3 years ago
..Trotsky..
Wake up Trotsky..
Russian leaders (Kremlin's occupants) tried to stifle, eradicate, deport Ukrainians and Ukrainian life in Ukraine for centuries.
So, unless you are one of the official KGB propagandist, hit the books and read - learn.
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
I am not a KGB propagandist, I am just criticizing your own propaganda.
I am not pro-Russian I am a Marxist.
LevTrotsky1917 3 years ago
Lev..
Marxist = idiots.
Than criticize Russia and its policies, its history start with Ivan the Terrible and you can finish with the jokers in the Kremlin of today.
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago 2
You are an idiot yourself and also a poor petit bourgeois ready to sell himself for a few dollars.
LevTrotsky1917 3 years ago
Kobzatoronto understands little of Marx.
Solechnaya 3 years ago
You tell me that Marxists are idiots? Don't you see the crisis produced by capitalism and the first and second World wars?
LevTrotsky1917 3 years ago
Give us a reason why you call marxists "idiots". Do you have a complete understanding of Marx's works?
And by you saying that marxists are idiots, you are making yourself sound immature and intolerant.
Solechnaya 3 years ago
You should fight for your country not to become a NATO colony.
LevTrotsky1917 3 years ago
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Iustitia..
Have also a look at youtube:
The Soviet Story - starvation in Ukraine.
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
you shit on ussr people who had to be in ussr with out a choise and you saing you shit on them? is that because your grandparents didn't do shit but seat and eat mcDonalds?
russianvadik 3 years ago
Sorry guys, everything I said is to "bunk90" he is the one who doesn't know that alot of NaziS and Soviets had to fight because they did not have a choice, and unfortunatly "bunk90" thinks that All of soviets and nazis fought because they wanted too. Plus Stalin, Hitler and other powerful people back then had to make a decision. War is Hell, and we don't need it. I wish everybody PEACE,LOVE!
russianvadik 3 years ago
I wonder if Mark Tauger is related to Duranty???
myronzee 3 years ago
Mr Mark Tauger studied only archives, and wrong sources, and then concludes because of later harvests, that the Famine Holodomor was not a genocide. A weird methodology. So Germans living in Jewish houses afterwards, means that national-socialists did not want to eradicate Jewish culture?
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
More than 7 million Ukrainians were killed in the Holodomor Genocide by the Marxist internationalists of the USSR. Of course there were simultaneous genocides against ethnic Russian kulaks, against cossacks and Kazahkstani. Of course. But the Holodomor is an historical fact.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
But who cares today?
VanHowle 3 years ago
We must remember Holodomor victims.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago 3
They were not Marxists, Pax. They were simply people who were dedicated to a totalitarian dictator. True Marxists are anti-authoritarian.
Solechnaya 3 years ago
Oh yes they were Marxists. The dictatorship of the proletariate, that is what they were following. Marxists are adoring and idolizing the masses of workers and soldiers, but not anti-authoritarian. That is only your Romantic naive view of Marxism. Marxism murdered more persons than National-Socialism ever did. Marxism killed more than ANY idea ever did. It is a divide-and-conquer strategy.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago 3
Yes, Marx led millions to their deaths. But it was the corrupt that made communism into a living horror.
Solechnaya 3 years ago
So you admit that Marx's theory itself justified genocide against the "bourgeoisie" the "kulacks", the "reactionaries" (clergy) etc. etc.? And you still justify this ideology of Marx?
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
No, I do not agree with all his ideas.
"Anarchy" is derived from the Greek word "Anarchos". It means "without leader". Anarchism is not chaos. In anarchism there is no leader, but that does not mean there are no laws.
You have only seen the violent individuals, haven't you? Most of said people has misenterpreted the what anarchism is.
Solechnaya 3 years ago
It is an illusion to think that without an authority or leader or leading institution, men can 'organize themselves'.
I am a Christian. Heaven is hierarchic. Even the angels are organized as a hierarchy amongst themselves. I am not anti-democratic, but I am against total anarchy. I am not for laws on everything of course. I am pro-freedom. But in necessary things, there must last order and supreme power always.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
Have you experienced anarchism to say that?
Solechnaya 3 years ago
No, but my great uncle, an ex-Protestant communist volunteer in the Spanish Civil War did. He saw the Anarchist government in Cataluña (Catalonia) around Barcelona, and their terrorism against the small farmers, their mass murder against Catholic clergy (he was not even a Catholic himself). He was shocked. When he entered Republic Madrid and experienced the murder tactics of the Trotskyites and Stalinists towards each other, he was finally cured from the illness of Marxism-Leninism BTW.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago 2
Interesting account. But truth be told, those "anarchists" who did kill off certain peoples were offshoots of original anarchism.
Solechnaya 3 years ago
While I think you are a decent person yourself, those explicitly allying themselves to Anarchism and its ideology, also recognize that anarchism does not recognize objective good and wrong, not the Ten Commandments, not even basic respect for the right to life and freedom of all human beings. In fact, they reject morality as "imposed by authority". In anarchism there is only subjectivist 'morality'. This immorality leads persons to justify murdering other-thinking people, i.e. innocent Clergy.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
Do you follow Judaism or Christianity?
Solechnaya 3 years ago
I follow Our Lord and God Jesus Christ, Son of God, Who is the fulfillment of the promises made to the Jewish people, of Old Covenant Judaism. I adhere to the New Covenant. I am Roman Catholic apostolic Christian.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago 2
Interesting. Were you brought up like that or did you choose that belief?
What then do you think of early Islam?
Solechnaya 3 years ago
I was brought up a nominal Catholic and developed into a practicing Catholic.
As for early Islam: I consider early Islam a syncretistic religion composed from Arianism heresy, from Talmud and other concepts from rabbis and from pagan Arab native polytheist religions (Kaaba site was once polytheist idolatry site). Early Islam destroyed much of Antique and early Christian Near East cultures and heritage.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago 2
I have investigated much about the anarchist,stalinist,trotskist terror in Spain during the "democratic"II Republic and they were really more dangerous even than Franco.
I think,stalinists would have won the differences and the anarchists even would have been killed.
They were the favourites of Stalin,the murderer of Trotsky was spanish,rememebr it.
And how he killed him!
TreueumTreueFest62 2 years ago
Yes.
Solechnaya 2 years ago
In fact in 1932 Stalin killed billion of ukrainians,not 3 millions!
Cossakfreedon 3 years ago
Georgians(Stalin and Ko) sent 20 millions of russians to Gulag and killed in sum 50 millions of russians during first 20 century part,germans rapped millions of russians.30.000 finns is so small,any way Gorby vs Yeltsin already gave to you all apologizes
Cossakfreedon 3 years ago
Сьогоднішний Кремл - одна велика брехня!
Втим і його керівники - Путін і Медведев!
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
This is a quote from a communist leader speaking in the Kharkiv region in 1934:
"Famine in Ukraine was brought on to decrease the number of Ukrainians, replace the dead with people from other parts of the USSR, and thereby to kill the slightest thought of any Ukrainian independence."
- V. Danilov et al., Sovetskaia derevnia glazami OGPU_NKVD. T. 3, kn.2. Moscow 2004. P.572
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
if are they saying ,that, seed(crop)grain was taken , if the grain that was returned , after the time of sowing , then it could be considered Administrative Genocide ,genocide by red tape ,the same thing that killed the ussr , ??????
OrphanPaper 3 years ago
continued...
In the face of terror, Ukrainians had little possibility of escaping their horrific fate or even to create another type of life elsewhere. Travel was banned for Ukrainians, keeping them confined in a prison of starvation within their own villages.
Bobby Leigh
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
(read what happened after the battle of trafalgar
to the troops the brits had to pay for service, there son still have there fatheres seats house of lords )
youstupidwoman 3 years ago
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In order to crush the will of the independent-minded Ukrainian peasants and secure collectivization of all Ukrainian lands, Joseph Stalin ordered an army of ruthless, well-fed Communist Party activists to confiscate all harvested grain and seize all the foodstuffs in the villages. As a result of this genocidal decree, by the end of 1933 nearly 25 percent of the Ukrainian population - over 10 million people, including 3 million children - had perished.
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
what prevision of a doctrine ,of equal in the eyes of the law and one person one vote , caused such horror, i would think that any fair minded person once all fact were presented to them , would give a hart felt apology and composite those left , there are perverted psychotic monsters who gain power ,how do you stop that , I/we are trying to prevent it ?in my own little way :). Democratic socialism is true communism , , dont add sin to sin,
youstupidwoman 3 years ago
In the early 1930's, Ukraine was the breadbasket of Eastern Europe, had bountiful crops of grain, yet its people were dying of starvation.
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
All news from Georgia's president is like "Look at me! Pay attention to me! Evil Russia occupy little democratic Georgia! We must create New World Order! bla bla bla!"
Poor puppets don't know how also to pay attention on them. Tomorrow they will cry something like "we found a 1000 kg bomb in Sukashvili's residency toilet! Pay attention!!!"
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago 2
Just compare today's news.
Russia: Medvedev participates in XVI summit of APEC;
Elena Isinbaeva is the best athlete of 2008.
Guard-ship «Neustrashimiy» escorts 5 courts in aquatorium of the Aden Gulf.
Ships of all fleets of VMF of Russia will be brought over to fight against piracy in the district of African Horn.
And Georgia news:
The Georgian and Polish said that their cortege was under fire near the border of South Ossetia)
Remember how Sukashvili run from phantom jets in Gori?;)
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago 3
This is pure Soviet/Russian terror! They are cruel like their ancestors the Mongol Horde!
AtilladHun 3 years ago
How could the Soviets NOT notice that millions of people were dying and called for international help if it couldn't handle it? It seems ethnic cleansing to me.
AtilladHun 3 years ago
1) Read history books sometimes.
2) What about genocide of Native Americans? More than 400 year's history of Native American massacres.
While Russian president participates in G20 summit few time ago, in Quartet on the Middle East (Russia,USA,UN,EU), in Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation in Lima today,BRIC,G8,SCO,CSTO,EEC..., in all big economic, political, diplomatic events.
While Russia develop space technology (doing spaceflights more than USA)...
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
While Russia is continue to win practically in ALL KINDS OF SPORT, summer, winter, football, hockey, all of them, Ushenko is crying, with his best friends (presidents of USA, Blatic States, Georgia and Poland).
Notice, only they support him (poor puppets must do his work, USA is watching on them). Poor liars...
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
What has this got to do with the famine in Ukraine?
400 years of Native American massacre? The USA is only 212 years old! And it was a war. They fought many battles-Wounded Knee, Crazy Horse, Geronimo, etc, not killing helpless women and children and inducing famine to kill them!
BTW, where did you go to school? One of those Russian diploma mills? Did you pay a professor to get your degree?
AtilladHun 3 years ago
А вы на что опираетесь ?
ManDaR1N899 3 years ago
Ну-ну, а этот репортаж - просто красивый монтаж, явно заказной. Особенно мне понравились "политологи", которые несли чушь о том, что это все было из-за небольшого урожая. Суки, блядь, пиздливые. Люди, которые выжили рассказывают о том, как это было.
Ghekachan 3 years ago
А эти поздоболы "опираються на факты", которые были задокументироваными советской властью. Ха-ха.
Ghekachan 3 years ago
Сьогоднішний Кремл - одна велика брехня!
Втим і його керівники - Путін і Медведев!
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
Kharkiv statement in original:
"Голод на Україні був викликаний для того, щоб зменшити кількість українців, пересилити на їхнє місце людей з іншої частини СРСР і цим убити будь-яку думку про самостійність."
Комуніст Прокопенко, ....
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
продовження
,,, Прокопенко, уповноважений Сахновщинського районного виконавчого комітету (Харківської області) проговорився про голод перед групою колгоспників 12 травня 1934 р.
- V. Danilov et al., Sovetskaia derevnia glazami OGPU_NKVD. T. 3, kn.2. Moscow 2004. P.572
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
This is a quote from a communist leader speaking in the Kharkiv region in 1934:
"Famine in Ukraine was brought on to decrease the number of Ukrainians, replace the dead with people from other parts of the USSR, and thereby to kill the slightest thought of any Ukrainian independence."
- V. Danilov et al., Sovetskaia derevnia glazami OGPU_NKVD. T. 3, kn.2. Moscow 2004. P.572
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
I think many of the former soviet block countries are hurting big time. I was in uzbekistan March 07 and it really freaked me out by what I saw...it was like stepping back in time....strange shit coming from the west. People are freezing their asses off in that part of the world now.
quitearow 3 years ago
Why do you repeat this again and again here? Nobody will hear you)) So shut up and stop write about actions, which were 60 years ago! Live today, moron.
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
hahah.. fucking russia fucked up Ukraine. i like how those retards hate one another!
Putin tried to defend Stalin! why doesnt that surprise me"?
NewOrder915 3 years ago
1) again your bullshit here
2) Russians and Ukrainians don't hate each other. Only Ushenko hate both.
3) Nobody try to defend Stalin, moron. Russia and all hystoricans don't accept "genocide" of Ukrainians.
4) Support "New World Order" somewhere else. Your opinion is nothing.
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago 2
This has been flagged as spam show
wow...not just first comment but first view
redarmy652 3 years ago