Yeah, so your tryging to say that in the hereafter Allah will give you an infinite hour glass that is an infinite high etc..... This is why i hate time!!!
I am sorry about your father or brother May allh reward him heaven
We are running the marathon called life some of us run faster to reach the and of the line some of us run slower because they are scared of the and might be hell I am running faster because I believe the and it's heaven peace be upon you brothers and sisters who is running behind
OMG BRO!! THIS video scared the crap out of me. i really thought you had something, i was about to start crying. WHAT A WAKE UP call, wow. im relieved but at the same time it makes you think. GOD BLESS YOU! and im so sorry about your father. We'll all make du3a for him Inshallah. thank you bonsai.
I'm sorry to hear about your Father Bonsai. I did think the video was provoking. I would humbly suggest that this disease that you mentioned is not only shown by our death but is shown throughout life by the evil actions that we take and the corruptions that we see. In fact you were right when you said that we inherit it. All human beings seem to have an inbuilt direction toward evil, this death that infects our very self. This sickness that has only one cure....
@Amatullah919 Ya rabby allah you scared me. you made it sound like it was contagious. but that's true; tomorrow never comes and is promised to no one
knowledge base and all who think a fundamentalst theocracy is the way ahead for humanity are shallow and sadly deluded. To decry the society that gives you the benfits that you so willingly use? Please... go live in a hut and enjoy your ideals in the bronze age... The inability of theists to maintain a logical basis for their beliefs is proof enough of their folly.
please don't talk about logic after your previous statements. i can write out a mathematical proof stating that 1 is equal to 0 - but is it? study the subject of invalid proofs in calculus and you might come to realize that math and science are not all they claim to be. those who think secular theocracy is the way ahead are shallow and backwards (and this was all done before and will be done again). lastly, it is not "society" that gives me any benefit, but ALLAH *alone* who provides for us all!
anything that is good in this world, is from God and only God. and anything that is bad in this world is from us (based on our genuine free will) and shaytan (the devils that whisper into the hearts of men).
MarktheTruck and all others who think like him, just to let you know I am 100% with Knowledge1Base9. Therefore I don't even need to say anything. Peace
Yet you will continue to argue that what was written is infallible even if language is by it's nature limited. You live in a house with no foundation yet you decry your neighbours for building.
What is written is infalliable if the source of all infalliability wills it. human language as well as conception is limited, but the Divine is not (and of course includes how communication of the Divine)? I decry my neighbors for dropping bombs, not building homes - and our foundation is limitless and required no house or even a tent. Let our blood flow all across the earth, for nothing in this life is of any significance as compared to the hereafter.
It is unfortunate that you are unable to see the anachronisms inherent in your argument, yet still you twist as a dervish and are unable to retain the thread of your unfortuante flawed dialectic. However you may choose if you wish to insist black is white and all is good in your dogma. Time has proven that your devotion to such results in a sad and backwards world. If my forebears had not prevailed over such dogmatic tyrrany, we would be now communicating through carrier pigeon.
Mr. Truck, you have no arguments whatsoever, while I have made mine and stated my positions as clearly as possible. Yea, I added some fun on top of that, but I didn't realize that you would be captured by this that you would completely forget what we were arguing about to begin with in order to play word games and math puzzles. And your geometry is terrible. Are you a real truck or a just plastic toy?
Your statement about the rise in Kalifah is another anachronism in your philosophy. How can you divorce the empire that you propose under your Sharia and any that have preceded or will, of necessity succeed it?
obtuse - i don't really understand this terminology. i'm not an auto-mechanic. but in reality, your just driving in a different direction from me, so it is no wonder that you don't see the same scenery. i always answer your questions (though you may not like the answers), while you keep moving on and on and avoiding what I ask you to explain. Your foot seems to be on the pedal a little too hard.
I applaud your attempts at rhetorical flourish but you seem to be prone to foot in mouth disease. If we are indeed travelling in oppsite direction, we must be on the same road; therefore we are seeing exactly the same scenery, just from differing sides. As for your desire for clarity, I suggest you remove the blinkers. Incidentally, obtuse, I believe, is not a term usually found in mechanics... maybe you meant metaphysics...
since when does traveling in opposite directions mean that we are on the same road? and if we start at the same point, then we will never see what the other sees. if you were to start at my destination and i was to start your destination - then perhaps you would be correct. why are you even trying here? you obviously can't stick to the subject or answer what the other person is saying in response to you. please don't try to dumb down these analogies in order to appear clever. you are not.
A road goes to and from does it not? Your statement "opposite directions" indicates that relational position. Surely you are not arguing now that this road is omnidirectional? Please, at least you must comprehend geometry, even if you cannot follow dialectic.
Road or roads, I never specified, and there can be multiple, parallel roads within the body of the journey even if there are only two source destinations (which I didn't specify either). opposite directions in parallel would indicate that we are not seeing the same scenery even if we are going in opposite directions. true, i didn't specify that, but i didn't say anything to the contrary either. i though such a basic geometric concept would be understood by a truck.
I think you misunderstand my point about combining tribal law with so-called revealed law. Your Sharia is a case in point and to deflect by stating the obvious flaws in laws made by the west over centuries(including the paternalistic tendencies of our ancestors) is to ignore the progress only recently being felt with the rise in charter rights.
Charter rights? What progress is that? I say it is regression - not progression. Particularly to the times of Babylon, Ancient Egypt, Rome, Greece, Sodom/Ghomorah, the British Empire, and so forth. Just with a more international flavor.
Don't forget Jesus is considered by many(even a good number of Imams) to have been a great teacher. Clearly his statement "God made the law for Man, not Man for the Law" puts the needs of man above slavish obeyance of the law.
Of course Jesus was a great teacher, but the final Prophet is Muhammad (saws) and his laws abrogate previous laws. In reality many parts of Islamic shariah are a balance between the shariah of Musa (old testament) and that of Isa (new testament). Please explain how that statement you just said puts men above the need for obeying the laws (and any enforceable law can be considered a type of enslavement, so there is no need to use that sort of terminology). thank u
Slavish devotion is somewhat less a point about your personal rites and more about literal use of law as unchanging and immutable. The point is that to use law in a manner that negatively affects your situation, is an abrogation of the point of law en face.
You have yet to explain anything I asked you to explain or clarify from earlier. Slavish devotion can be found in anything. Pure freedom does not exist, nor will it, as it is incompatible with human nature and the purpose of our creation. As such, we can choose to be slaves of that which made us, or slaves to that which man makes himself. In the latter, you are still a slave to God, but you setup man-made intermediaries and that then is the path to hell as i scolded your pharaoh friend about.
To engage in a dialectic, especially one so predominantly metaphysical, one must keep one's eye on the Point of the argument(message) and not be distracted by the verbiage(language). Freedom must be tempered by Law, just as Law must be tempered by the needs of those it seeks to govern. You make no allowances for this in your dogmatic devotion.
1 - the ball is in your court mark. i replied to each of your points. so long as i do that, it doesn't matter if i venture off to unrelated "verbiage". i am glad you say that freedom must be tempered, for that implies that it is not pure freedom in the slightest. we then only debate what sorts of limitations we put on this otherwise vague and generic term. for example, the american crusaders believe they are fighting for freedom - they even call their mission "operating enduring freedom".
Please, surely you're more conversant in another language, as the subltties of this one are clearly evading you. This was a definition of "justice" not an argument on it's relative use for political aims.
We were talking about freedom and not justice. As you are in the habit of fabrications as well as selective listening and selective responding, I have no choice but to start only selectively answering your questions (for this is what you do to me) and it is unlikely you were ever interested in serious conversation, but instead, simply wanted to defend the Pharaoh - but that hasn't worked out too well now has it :D
2 - the mujahideen also believe they are fighting for their freedom as they say they are trying to liberate the Ummah from the shackles of nationalism, despotism, foreign occupation and sanctions, and so forth. This is the clear and obvious reality as well as dichotomy of our surrounding situation. "Freedom" is completely relative here, and is always going to be.....so let the dogma of "freedom" as it as come to be understood in the post 911 world finally whither away and rest in peace.
The mujahideen, (assuming you are referring Afganistan) as you phrase it, are in large part, religeous zealots and sociopaths bent on keeping power for it's own sake, not the sake of the population. If you stopped to think, you would have recognised that when I refer to Charter Rights, it should answer any question you have in this regard.
The Mujahideen are one and the same no matter where they are, so long as tawheed is in their heart and they are not fighting for a man-made system like nationalism or communism or capitalism or multiple gods/idols or whatever. The non-religious, secular ppl of the west are truly the sociopaths, imperialists, infidels, rebels, hypocrites, money-worshipers, and mass murderers u speak of. It is no wonder then, that the religious among you have become so empowered.
...or possibly even harmful, they are to be set aside, or at least, bent. A good deal of Sharia relates not to Justice but is heavily influenced by tribal paternalism and masogeny, not to mention superstition. If these "laws" do not stand the test of Jesus's standard, then how can they be considered "just", or reasonable?
That is your opinion, and I don't think you have the background of a shariah legal scholar to convince any of us. I think western laws are full of masogeny and hypocracy. They cater to the rich and wealthy and make a mockery of basic human nature. God's laws are for everyone, and they transcend tribalism and paternalism. The story of Islam actually proves the opposite as it broke apart familys, say nothing of tribes, and what formed in Medinah was not any tribe like the Quraish.
Islam is an enemy to the tribalism you are thinking about, and all you have to do is go to Iraq and ask the tribal elders of the Awakening Councils there. Changing laws to man-made innovations is the sure path to ruin, even if they are no longer tribal. And so, the laws of the west have created the most decadent and materialistic society man has ever known (exactly like the societies the bible warned about) - yet u still want to talk about the standards of Jesus (pbuh)??
You've made reference to Law, specifically Sharia, which I, and many others, see as fundamentally flawed and heavily influenced by tribal custom. Jesus's statement was made when he chose to pick olives on the sabat as he and his followers had not eaten for some time and were repudiated by the priests for so doing. The important lesson taken from this act is that laws, even God's laws must be taken in the context of the situation, and if they are seen as unreasonable...
Tribalism has its benefits and the Prophet (saws) did not break up the tribes but made God's law superior to tribal law. And God wants the believers to be one nation, one community, and one tribe - so of course there is some tribal mindset in God's laws for the true believers are to be as close-knit to one another (at least in theory) as tribes traditionally are. I'm not defending all of tribalism; and a bit of tribal ethos would do the alienation of urban society some good.
I agree that God's laws should be taken in the context that they were meant for. That is why there is a specific method for establishing an Islamic state, and despite a few muslims who want things like divorce laws integrated into western secular laws, the Muslims and especially the Mujahideen are not trying to impose Islamic law on the west. that is propaganda. The laws of Afghanistan and Canada for example, can never coexist.
what are you talking about? that is a basic definition of a state, but that doesn't resolve who or what a state stands for, and who or what determines its borders and its charter and its purpose and its culture and so forth. and all the Muslim nations today had their borders and boundaries drawn up by european imperialists who had previously occupied, dominated, and robbed these lands. So you can do whatever you want in the west with regards to how you set up a state.....
But the Muslims must regain their freedom and reestablish the Khalifah and do away with artificial, man-made borders, boundaries, systems, and constitutions which go firmly against Islam and the brotherhood of faith - which is a brotherhood that always rises above any other type of bond or connection (and again this is the compete opposite of traditional notions of tribalism as well).
We cannot argue that the result of the 1st world war was a tragedy for the region, yet do you deny that the Ottoman Empire was just another Empire? Or are you proposing that the clock should be set back to 1000 ce?
The clock rate isn't the issue here Mr. Truck. There are things people did that were right and things that they did which were wrong. And that is equally true of the present if not more so. We always strive for the ideal society even if human reality that it we can never achieve it perfectly since humanity isn't perfect.
Sadly, you come across all sorts of scum when riding around in public transport - like modernpharoah77. But like the children of Israel, we will never kneel down to the pharaoh no matter how many of our children they kill and no matter how many of our women they rape.
Every faith claims or has claimed supremecy over every other faith. Every religeous text (yes even the Mormon Bible) claims to be the word of God, revealed by God and unsullied by human interpretation. Every Empire has used religeon(or Love of State) to further it's political and economic aims. Man does not war without heaven's sanction. To preach hatred in any sense merely propogates the drive of empire, not the wishes of the Holy.
What is your evidence that one who preaches hate goes against the wishes of the holy. You have to first define what the holy is and then what it stands for. If we make distinctions between good and evil (like monotheism versus polytheism), then preaching hate and going to war against that which is considered evil by your source of holiness is not a drive for empire. It is a drive for goodness (no matter how small the numbers or how unpopular the cause).
Do the Jews in Israel not do the same? Christians, including a Pope who has his authority directly handed down from Jesus's diciple(Peter) used divine sanction as justification for slaughter, rape, and conquest. Are they not also "people of the Book?" And yet you suggest to "know" God's Plan. Bush said he talked to "God" before he invaded Iraq. How is your predilection for violence any different?
The people of the book they are not, and I refer specifically to a speech by Anwar Deedat as well as a fatwa by bin Baz that declares contemporary jews and christians to not be of al-khitab (people of the book). So to answer that question first - NO. Violence is not the exclusive domain of religion or non-religion. It is a part of human nature and always will be. The divine plan we believe in is based on what we understand from the message God gives us. The message Bush got was from a trinity.
The message Bush got was the ramblings of a delude mind. One that saw Iraquis as less than human, just as pseudo religeous persons do to whatever is unlike themselves. I communicate with you as you are a person; not an inanimate object. You have rights and a reasonable expectation to claim them, as a person. However, for me to claim you are less because your faith is not to my understanding, is ignorant at best and inhumane at worst.
Who says Bush was ever the man to make decisions. He remained president after being diagnosed with a certain disease so that Dick Chaney wouldn't become president. Listen to his speeches when he was governor of texas compared to after he became president.
Those guys who were beating up iraqis and torturing them and so forth were doing it in the name of nationalism and democracy and out of racism and imperial hubris. Sure, religion played a role for some, but it was the primary reason for those sad kids in uniform who went out to die for uncle sam (and maybe jesus christ as well, but not jesus christ exclusively). polytheism is polytheism, and everyone falls into the category of Muslim or Mushriqeen.
You keep falling into the inside/outside argument. If you cannot reconcile the differences between there will be no end... The "Christians" in the vangaurd of the war used the justification that this would bring them closer to the 'end time'. Do you not argue the same?
I never argued the same and I am unaware of any Muslim who argued that. Where do get this from. This is at least the third or fourth time in this forum in which you have made an unfounded fabrication against me. yes, some jewish and christian zionists believe that. Other did not. the cause of the war is more complex than just one aspect of it (like what you state), and cheap oil and the formation of the "greater israel" were the primary reasons in my humble opinion.
The point was that the so-called religious used that argument. Not all. Nationalism is the horse, Religeon is the banner. Do you actually believe that Arab empire wasn't hand in glove with the spread of Islam? The reason these "christians" want a greater Israel?? The end times will occur only after Israel is restored...
There are different horses and different banners but your larget point is that religion is a facilitator of empire and I don't really argue that. My argument was that religion is comprehensive and there is no life without it. As for Islam, jihad is of two types - defensive and offensive. Offensive jihad is when other nations do not allow the Muslims to preach tawheed and do not allow their own citizens to enter into Islam and migrate to an Islamic Khalifah. Then, the Khalifah will attack.
You can call it an arab empire if you like, but that neglets the nature of Islam and its call. The arabs would have preferred their own culture (as Islam did away with many aspects of it) and arab nationalism and ethnic pride is very different from Islamic brotherhood and ruling according to divine shariah only - regardless of ethnicity. Some of the best companions of the Prophet (saws) were israelites, africans, and persians.
It's a very narrow glass you're looking through. All religeons claim to be universal. I cannot claim to know of any that truly are. If the goal of a religeon is to stifle dissent and limit choice, how can it be just...
Then perhaps you are looking through a narrow glass. Many religions do claim to be universal, and thus, they contradict on another. As for your other question, how can it be just to allow all forms of dissent and give unlimited choice to one another. That Mr. Truck is the law of the jungle, and there is not justice there.
Yes, God made the law for man. Not for cars and trucks. I agree with that. So what is your point in regards to what we were talking about, and what exactly is the cop-out you are referring to. There is a lot of traffic and perhaps you've gotten lost in its midst.
To back out of an argument with a trite phrase such as 'the law of the jungle' is a cop out. it does not address the argument. Incidentally, it could be said that the 'law of the jungle' is in itself just due to the fact that all acts have consequence and are not subject to bias or interpretation. Notwithstanding the forestated, in my less than humble opinion, justice is seen to be done when ones actions do not limit or diminish the ability of others to exercise their franchise.
Actually, it addressed the argument perfectly. For what you complained about was that religion stifles freedom of expression. I support that completely. But the real secret is that there is no such thing as complete freedom. And nationalism and pure freedom are always incompatible for anything that threatens the security of the state will not be allowed or given free speech. Hypothetically, if we did have pure freedom - we would be like the animals in the jungle. Lion king song anyone?
Of course, we are talking about Gulf War 2 only. No one ever remembers that there was no end to the constant bombing of Iraq between Gulf War 1 and Gulf War 2. And 1 million children died in Iraq as a result of the UN created and US enforced economic blockade. Every American, be they zionist or atheist as some level of blame for this infanticide of out times. But, go ahead and just read about the nazi genocide only in your schools.
I don't know who you are. I assumed you were just a truck running out of gas. But most americans are either unaware of that period or make excuses and justifications for it.
And you forget that nationalism and economics and secularism have all done the same. You are trying to pin things down on certain religions without realizing that those religions are a part of more than just religion, and that everything you consider outside their domain is still a part of religion (albeit a different one). People fight for many different reasons, and some say that oil was as much a factor as Bush's born again religion.
At the end of the day, nationalism and economics are just as important as Bush's faith or neocon zionists in causing Gulf War 2. You can't discount these factors when talking about violence. Does religion cause violence? Yes. Do other things cause violence? Yes. Would there be violence if there is no religion? Depends on how you define religion. If u do it narrowly, then yes. If u do it loosely, then u realize there is no such thing as humanity w/o religion, and so the question has no answer.
Again you fail to see the point. Religeon is but the banner. Empire is the horse. Power corrupts and to believe that religion is divorced from empire is simplistic.
and your a truck, so what? power corrupts that is as obvious as stating that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. who said religion is divorced from empire. it is like your other accusations against me before. they are totally made up in your exceedingly flat tires, and not in the any sort of reality. Religion will always be a part of empire, and empire will always be a part of religion, because religion is a part of humanity and humanity is a part of religion!
Doesn't matter if we are talking about the religion of pure monotheism (Islam) or the various religions that are polytheistic in worship, or the religion of democracy or the religion of patriotism or the religion of secularism - the latter few being polytheism in the attributes of God, chief among which is the attribute of law-giver which is reserved for God *alone*. And to follow that is what it means to be a monotheist, and is the straight, narrow, and only way to God.
Consider this: in all the ages religeon has brought man rules and governed the activities of society. Every religeon has at some time come into conflict between Truth Revealed and Truth Observed.(Dogma the former, and Science the latter). Every faith has preached that others not of that faith have a lesser right to exist.
You definition of religion is flawed here, as religion encompasses more than just the divine. Also, you will see that rules and governance are a part of all communities and societies and nations regardless of how much or how little spiritual dogma plays into those laws and systems and structures. It is not just religion, but all sorts of ideologies and sciences (particularly as we move away from legolas or basic logic into the complexities of reality) that have the conflict u just stated.
I gave no 'definition' of religeon. The point is that empire uses religeon to further it's aims. The lemmings that blindly march behind the priests cannot see others as themselves. They only see "others" unlike themselves. This gives them sanction to war for empire and pronounce it God's War.
I love the lemmings. That was a game I could play for hours on end as a kid :). You truly are more than just a truck mark! All that you say about priests and others and war and empire - applies to non-believers as well, and it applies to patriots, nationalists, secularists, democracy-worshipers, money -worshipers, other types of idolaters, and so on and so forth. Nice try, but not quite :).
And what do you mean by a lesser right to exist? Islam is clear that there is no compulsion in religion, yet, no system or ideology can be higher than the word of God (for that is a form of polytheism). I do not and never will believe that monotheists and polytheists are of equal value.
And since the universalists claim such equality, they must answer the question of how to deal with those who oppose such equality. And in the end, they can't do anything but go against those who oppose them. Tolerance of intolerance is impossible. One believes that all peoples and faiths and are equal and lead to different pathways to God - but others do not hold that view and believe the path to God is straight and exclusive. These two sides will collide and come into conflict.
It never ceases to amaze me that such "religious" adherents are so disposed as to condemn another for the thoughts that should occur to all sentient beings. The question is, in my opinion, not asked frequently enough(as the answer would no doubt cause one to question the very foundations of the ethos of religeon) is: how can we marginalise those who express the very question of our belief in a supreme being?
First of all it is a great video .I as a Muslim cant stand with the some of our brothers judging on others as they are God or something.Isnt there a freedom of speech in Islam?As far as i know,there is nobody between Allah (cc) and the believer( mumin ) and only Allah can judge.Once we realize that everyone is free to live their religion but also political views seperately,we will never succeed and reach the modern civilazations!A person can be secular,nationalist and the muslim at the same time
you are a disgrace to Islam and should have nothing to do with a real Muslim like Bonsai Sky. No nationalism and no secularism in Islam - and most here agree on that. You are in the wrong neighborhood girl.
@knowledge1Base9: What the hell is wrong with you? who are you to tell anyone who is a good or bad Muslim? Did you attend your anger managment class this week..lol, subhan Allah..people like you are mentally ill..i come say i like the video and you attack me like this? hahahaha!!! Dont ruin the Video and start an argument! Bonsai again GREAT VIDEO, Jazak Allah Khir..sorry but i had to answer this "angry" person, rabina yihdeeh!
there is nothing wrong with me kaafir - you are the one with the problem and the one with the disease in your heart. everyone and anyone can tell another if they are good or bad muslims, for actions are apparent and we judge actions (as opposed to what is hidden which only Allah can judge). think a little you monster. i saw your kufr on the message board of unitedintifada. Bosnai knows you are garbage, he is just too nice to say anything. Pharoah is a fitting name for you!
Who is the Judge? Are you? Are you so in touch with the Supreme that you may speak for Him? Humility is a blessing. I pray that you may aquire some without the pain that accompanies it.
Part 1: This is interesting. You ask "who is to judge". And this reminds me of those christians bringing up misguided claims based on a single, solitary quote they attribute to Jesus (pbuh) that he said those who judge others should first remove the plank from their own eye! LOL. Why does God give us a message? Why does God give us instructions both in a personal sense and a collective sense? Why are there divine/cannon laws (in the old testament, new testament, and quran)?
Part 2: Why do human beings have any type of laws to begin with? Why does God, in His message, clarify the traits and attributes of those who do good? Why does God even have a heaven and a hell, and different ranks within them, and the heights/purgatory between them? Why does God use messengers and prophets? Why does God have angels sitting on our shoulders recording out deeds? Don't you see - judging one another is one of the most important aspects of faith.
Part 3: It is how we increase our good deeds and how we explain the message, spread the message, or give warning to those who disbelieve in the message or have apostatized from it. Judging on another is a part of our very nature, and no one can claim to know the truth or claim to be on the right path if they haven't made a determination (and thus, a judgement) with regards to themselves as well as those around them. "And warn, for warning profits the believers." (Quran 51:55).
Way to go... throwing stones from a glass house... Isn't compassion part of your ethos? Or are you so secure in the approval of your "god" that wishing others ill will is going to get you compassion for your trespass?
I noted the vdeo about numerology and Islam. WTF? Is a simple confluence of text and equation supposed to be proof in the devine origins of the Qu'ran?
The most obvious point to be made must be "Does a supreme being rely on numerology to confirm the existance of a supreme being?" Can't help but refer to the great Descarte "Cogito ergo sum" . What more proof could a believer require
Death is not disease ,disease is an abnormal condition of an organism that impairs bodily functions. To enjoy a nice Halal hotdog, yeast and beef did not struggle through disease, but they did die. You can mix terms like death & disease in poetry but not to further meaningful discussion about life.
Yes, Bonsia - fearing death and becoming attached to this dunyah and worldly life is a disease. A disease of the heart. But, the way you structured the video and gave it a title and so forth, left an impression with many that you have a pathological disease of some sort. This sort of misleading (even if temporary and for a greater purpose) isn't always the best approach. In my humble opinion, the point could have been made without such "extremes". Fear Allah, and remember that Allah knows best.
Jazak Allahu Khairun. I have renamed the title. My intent was not to mislead but to draw attention to the remembrance of Allah and our purpose here in life.
lol I was confused for a sec when I got a reply back on my comment on "Sands of the Hourglass" !!! I thought did I miss one of your videos?! or maybe I didn't notice the title....
But I must admit the title "I have a disease sounded better, coz it caught my attention.
Then you are a prophet? You speak directly to God and know his mind? Tell me Oh Wise One; How does your limited falable intellect presume to grasp the Devine Plan? Or are you just a little mouse trying to roar as a lion?
well, mice are creatures too and while their roar isn't as loud, it is just as important to the Creator of them both. There is a hadith in Abu Dawood that goes something like this: Which of humanity suffers the most? Muhammad (pbuh) replied, the Prophets, then the righteous, then the ones who are most like them, and then the ones who are most like those who are most like the righteous." And part of righteousness is to always speak the truth and always give warnings about the hereafter.
Mr. Truck, neither did I say that nor did I even imply that. You know that judgement, laws, punishment, truthfulness, and enjoining good and forbidding evil (even in a harsh way) are a part of religion and faith and a part of all societies, and we as Muslims are commanded to do this. I am not and have no need to even claim that I am a scholar, let alone an imam. The rest of what you say is too blasphemous for me to even repeat in my comments.
It is blasphemous to remind you of your falability? My; a little full of yourself, aren't you? The point you cannot seem to grasp is that whatever your faith, ultimately you answer only to the One. It is not yours to decide who does or does not share God's grace: that is His jurisdiction alone. Should God decide tomorrow to change His Law, then it is His prerogative to do so. Where then would be your judgement? Better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
No it is blasphemous for anyone to even imply that a human being is on the level of a prophet. you don't seem to understand much markthetruck. perhaps this is because you are an inanimate object used to drive human beings around as opposed to a human being yourself. the point you aren't grasping is that your faith does matter, and the way to the One is specific and not general. It is a one way road and not a multi-lane super highway.
No, communication can be one-way. In other words, your actually talking to yourself, but the inanimate object is like a placeholder for that communication. Since you and your buddy Pharaoh make judgments in every single post yet, decry those who make judgments directed at you, it is probably true that most people who try to reason with the two of you are in fact, just talking to themselves. There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion by the way, as others listening may benefit even if u dont.
We all answer to the one, true God. But not all of us believe in God, and not all of us follow God, and not all of us defer all aspects of our lives to God. The rebels choose instead to follow man-made desires and innovations. So how can the end be the same? God is not unknowable. We can never fully understand God because of the limitations of our selves, and the fact that we are a part of creation. But, if God wills for us to know something about Him, then we certainly can make distinctions.
Isn't that what it is to be human and falable? Should a man choose to follow one path or another is that not his choice to make? If God has given us the ability to reason and the ability to choose, is it not our prerogative, even obligation to do so? You claim to be a man of faith and yet I see a man who hasn't fully accepted his obligation as a man. Are you not your brother's keeper?
All human beings are fallible - especially myself. I never said otherwise and you implying such is a lie Mr. Truck. God gives man free choice certainly - and by that token, we have the choice to follow God's word or disbelieve in God's word. And we have a choice as to keeping quite or standing for what we believe to be right - and that requires making judgments. Just as you have made many judgments on me now say nothing of what your own opinion his regarding the obligation of man.
I may judge my behaviour according to my understanding, knowing my understanding to be infused with many biases. I may understand and make allowance for my failings in my judgement but I have not the ability to say that another, though I utterly fail to see his method, is wrong. I can only judge his results. If the result of Christians preaching hatred against muslims caused(and it did) the crusades, then I judge these people to be unholy in the most extreme.
You have judged more than just your behavior here ;). Now your are simply setting up conditions for judgement as opposed to before where you seemed to take offense to any judgement. The truck as made nice u-turn, and I'm proud of you mark as this is a good start.
God can do whatever He wills, but God is just and a just God gives us a clear and concise message with which to follow Him and adhere to those laws you seem to be talking about. As such, that message is the basis for our judgments here in this life and it commands us to follow them. If you do not believe in our message, then you are not one of us. God says clearly that Islam is the final revelation so if you believe in Islam - then there is no doubt in this matter. We are what we believe.
Non Muslims try to avoid this topic by living live in a materialistic way only. ONce they reach very old age and start feeling it, they go into depression. Some ultimately try to do some good deeds to cancel whatever sins they did in the past but many live in denial of the hereafter. they think they will only live once.. they are msitaken.
wait so you don't actually have a DISEASE (like cancer or AIDS), you're just saying that you might die eventually and you're lucky to make it this far, right?
JazakAllah Khair for the vid Akhi. I was watching this vid and I was so tired that I didn't want to get up and read 'Isha prayer (May Allah forgive me). I watched u'r your vid and got up str8 away to read it. I thought, what if I die tonight and the last thing I did was surfing the net on my laptop. Do I really want to leave the world that way? SubhanAllah. May Allah reward you for that.
If i were to die tomorrow i'd do a lot of things but if i do those and not die tomorrow it would be really stupid so NO WAY
DBZisthebestanimever 6 months ago
Death is not a disease.
AcctNo4 10 months ago
Yeah, so your tryging to say that in the hereafter Allah will give you an infinite hour glass that is an infinite high etc..... This is why i hate time!!!
BeamSurfer 1 year ago
I swear my heart started beating heavily, VERY intense Alhamdulilah!
mmided 1 year ago
I LOVE THIS VIDEO! Jazak Allah khair.
hipgang2007 1 year ago
omg! That was quite a wake up call! Allah ye7sen 5atemtna and yer7am your dad and kol amwat el muslimeen! Ameen!
MsDan297 1 year ago
Wow...powerful Bonsai, thank you.
Hindsight2o2o 2 years ago
Dumb Question... Don't we all have that? O well... God Has a date for us.
SuburbanNinja8000 2 years ago
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shiadefenceforce 2 years ago
I am sorry about your father or brother May allh reward him heaven
We are running the marathon called life some of us run faster to reach the and of the line some of us run slower because they are scared of the and might be hell I am running faster because I believe the and it's heaven peace be upon you brothers and sisters who is running behind
shiadefenceforce 2 years ago 5
thank u for putting this video up..it puts things in2 perspective ..jzk ..allah with all of us!!!
XoXarabstaniXoX 2 years ago
OMG BRO!! THIS video scared the crap out of me. i really thought you had something, i was about to start crying. WHAT A WAKE UP call, wow. im relieved but at the same time it makes you think. GOD BLESS YOU! and im so sorry about your father. We'll all make du3a for him Inshallah. thank you bonsai.
SyrianDOLL 2 years ago
God bless Bonsai, may God guide you to peace through his Son.
PilgrimStanding 2 years ago
I'm sorry to hear about your Father Bonsai. I did think the video was provoking. I would humbly suggest that this disease that you mentioned is not only shown by our death but is shown throughout life by the evil actions that we take and the corruptions that we see. In fact you were right when you said that we inherit it. All human beings seem to have an inbuilt direction toward evil, this death that infects our very self. This sickness that has only one cure....
PilgrimStanding 2 years ago
Subhan'Allah! Man... that was intense.
Amatullah919 2 years ago 3
@Amatullah919 Ya rabby allah you scared me. you made it sound like it was contagious. but that's true; tomorrow never comes and is promised to no one
GREYBLAZE800 6 months ago
knowledge base and all who think a fundamentalst theocracy is the way ahead for humanity are shallow and sadly deluded. To decry the society that gives you the benfits that you so willingly use? Please... go live in a hut and enjoy your ideals in the bronze age... The inability of theists to maintain a logical basis for their beliefs is proof enough of their folly.
markthetruck 2 years ago
please don't talk about logic after your previous statements. i can write out a mathematical proof stating that 1 is equal to 0 - but is it? study the subject of invalid proofs in calculus and you might come to realize that math and science are not all they claim to be. those who think secular theocracy is the way ahead are shallow and backwards (and this was all done before and will be done again). lastly, it is not "society" that gives me any benefit, but ALLAH *alone* who provides for us all!
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
anything that is good in this world, is from God and only God. and anything that is bad in this world is from us (based on our genuine free will) and shaytan (the devils that whisper into the hearts of men).
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Yaaaa.... pray like hell next time your computer crashes... I'll check in with microsoft, we'll see who gets up and running first
markthetruck 2 years ago
You'd think people would get tired of all that self flagellation bs. You still into the hair shirt thing?
markthetruck 2 years ago
MarktheTruck and all others who think like him, just to let you know I am 100% with Knowledge1Base9. Therefore I don't even need to say anything. Peace
Silent4rc 2 years ago
You just did...
markthetruck 2 years ago
Yet you will continue to argue that what was written is infallible even if language is by it's nature limited. You live in a house with no foundation yet you decry your neighbours for building.
Best of Luck...
markthetruck 2 years ago
What is written is infalliable if the source of all infalliability wills it. human language as well as conception is limited, but the Divine is not (and of course includes how communication of the Divine)? I decry my neighbors for dropping bombs, not building homes - and our foundation is limitless and required no house or even a tent. Let our blood flow all across the earth, for nothing in this life is of any significance as compared to the hereafter.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
It is unfortunate that you are unable to see the anachronisms inherent in your argument, yet still you twist as a dervish and are unable to retain the thread of your unfortuante flawed dialectic. However you may choose if you wish to insist black is white and all is good in your dogma. Time has proven that your devotion to such results in a sad and backwards world. If my forebears had not prevailed over such dogmatic tyrrany, we would be now communicating through carrier pigeon.
markthetruck 2 years ago
Mr. Truck, you have no arguments whatsoever, while I have made mine and stated my positions as clearly as possible. Yea, I added some fun on top of that, but I didn't realize that you would be captured by this that you would completely forget what we were arguing about to begin with in order to play word games and math puzzles. And your geometry is terrible. Are you a real truck or a just plastic toy?
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Your statement about the rise in Kalifah is another anachronism in your philosophy. How can you divorce the empire that you propose under your Sharia and any that have preceded or will, of necessity succeed it?
markthetruck 2 years ago
What do you mean divorce the empire, and when did I even imply that?
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
I am afraid you are getting a little out of your depth. Or is it that you have become deliberately obtuse?
markthetruck 2 years ago
obtuse - i don't really understand this terminology. i'm not an auto-mechanic. but in reality, your just driving in a different direction from me, so it is no wonder that you don't see the same scenery. i always answer your questions (though you may not like the answers), while you keep moving on and on and avoiding what I ask you to explain. Your foot seems to be on the pedal a little too hard.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
I applaud your attempts at rhetorical flourish but you seem to be prone to foot in mouth disease. If we are indeed travelling in oppsite direction, we must be on the same road; therefore we are seeing exactly the same scenery, just from differing sides. As for your desire for clarity, I suggest you remove the blinkers. Incidentally, obtuse, I believe, is not a term usually found in mechanics... maybe you meant metaphysics...
markthetruck 2 years ago
since when does traveling in opposite directions mean that we are on the same road? and if we start at the same point, then we will never see what the other sees. if you were to start at my destination and i was to start your destination - then perhaps you would be correct. why are you even trying here? you obviously can't stick to the subject or answer what the other person is saying in response to you. please don't try to dumb down these analogies in order to appear clever. you are not.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
A road goes to and from does it not? Your statement "opposite directions" indicates that relational position. Surely you are not arguing now that this road is omnidirectional? Please, at least you must comprehend geometry, even if you cannot follow dialectic.
markthetruck 2 years ago
Road or roads, I never specified, and there can be multiple, parallel roads within the body of the journey even if there are only two source destinations (which I didn't specify either). opposite directions in parallel would indicate that we are not seeing the same scenery even if we are going in opposite directions. true, i didn't specify that, but i didn't say anything to the contrary either. i though such a basic geometric concept would be understood by a truck.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
I think you misunderstand my point about combining tribal law with so-called revealed law. Your Sharia is a case in point and to deflect by stating the obvious flaws in laws made by the west over centuries(including the paternalistic tendencies of our ancestors) is to ignore the progress only recently being felt with the rise in charter rights.
markthetruck 2 years ago
Charter rights? What progress is that? I say it is regression - not progression. Particularly to the times of Babylon, Ancient Egypt, Rome, Greece, Sodom/Ghomorah, the British Empire, and so forth. Just with a more international flavor.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Don't forget Jesus is considered by many(even a good number of Imams) to have been a great teacher. Clearly his statement "God made the law for Man, not Man for the Law" puts the needs of man above slavish obeyance of the law.
markthetruck 2 years ago
Of course Jesus was a great teacher, but the final Prophet is Muhammad (saws) and his laws abrogate previous laws. In reality many parts of Islamic shariah are a balance between the shariah of Musa (old testament) and that of Isa (new testament). Please explain how that statement you just said puts men above the need for obeying the laws (and any enforceable law can be considered a type of enslavement, so there is no need to use that sort of terminology). thank u
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Slavish devotion is somewhat less a point about your personal rites and more about literal use of law as unchanging and immutable. The point is that to use law in a manner that negatively affects your situation, is an abrogation of the point of law en face.
markthetruck 2 years ago
You have yet to explain anything I asked you to explain or clarify from earlier. Slavish devotion can be found in anything. Pure freedom does not exist, nor will it, as it is incompatible with human nature and the purpose of our creation. As such, we can choose to be slaves of that which made us, or slaves to that which man makes himself. In the latter, you are still a slave to God, but you setup man-made intermediaries and that then is the path to hell as i scolded your pharaoh friend about.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
To engage in a dialectic, especially one so predominantly metaphysical, one must keep one's eye on the Point of the argument(message) and not be distracted by the verbiage(language). Freedom must be tempered by Law, just as Law must be tempered by the needs of those it seeks to govern. You make no allowances for this in your dogmatic devotion.
markthetruck 2 years ago
1 - the ball is in your court mark. i replied to each of your points. so long as i do that, it doesn't matter if i venture off to unrelated "verbiage". i am glad you say that freedom must be tempered, for that implies that it is not pure freedom in the slightest. we then only debate what sorts of limitations we put on this otherwise vague and generic term. for example, the american crusaders believe they are fighting for freedom - they even call their mission "operating enduring freedom".
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Please, surely you're more conversant in another language, as the subltties of this one are clearly evading you. This was a definition of "justice" not an argument on it's relative use for political aims.
markthetruck 2 years ago
We were talking about freedom and not justice. As you are in the habit of fabrications as well as selective listening and selective responding, I have no choice but to start only selectively answering your questions (for this is what you do to me) and it is unlikely you were ever interested in serious conversation, but instead, simply wanted to defend the Pharaoh - but that hasn't worked out too well now has it :D
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
2 - the mujahideen also believe they are fighting for their freedom as they say they are trying to liberate the Ummah from the shackles of nationalism, despotism, foreign occupation and sanctions, and so forth. This is the clear and obvious reality as well as dichotomy of our surrounding situation. "Freedom" is completely relative here, and is always going to be.....so let the dogma of "freedom" as it as come to be understood in the post 911 world finally whither away and rest in peace.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
The mujahideen, (assuming you are referring Afganistan) as you phrase it, are in large part, religeous zealots and sociopaths bent on keeping power for it's own sake, not the sake of the population. If you stopped to think, you would have recognised that when I refer to Charter Rights, it should answer any question you have in this regard.
markthetruck 2 years ago
The Mujahideen are one and the same no matter where they are, so long as tawheed is in their heart and they are not fighting for a man-made system like nationalism or communism or capitalism or multiple gods/idols or whatever. The non-religious, secular ppl of the west are truly the sociopaths, imperialists, infidels, rebels, hypocrites, money-worshipers, and mass murderers u speak of. It is no wonder then, that the religious among you have become so empowered.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
...or possibly even harmful, they are to be set aside, or at least, bent. A good deal of Sharia relates not to Justice but is heavily influenced by tribal paternalism and masogeny, not to mention superstition. If these "laws" do not stand the test of Jesus's standard, then how can they be considered "just", or reasonable?
markthetruck 2 years ago
That is your opinion, and I don't think you have the background of a shariah legal scholar to convince any of us. I think western laws are full of masogeny and hypocracy. They cater to the rich and wealthy and make a mockery of basic human nature. God's laws are for everyone, and they transcend tribalism and paternalism. The story of Islam actually proves the opposite as it broke apart familys, say nothing of tribes, and what formed in Medinah was not any tribe like the Quraish.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Islam is an enemy to the tribalism you are thinking about, and all you have to do is go to Iraq and ask the tribal elders of the Awakening Councils there. Changing laws to man-made innovations is the sure path to ruin, even if they are no longer tribal. And so, the laws of the west have created the most decadent and materialistic society man has ever known (exactly like the societies the bible warned about) - yet u still want to talk about the standards of Jesus (pbuh)??
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
You've made reference to Law, specifically Sharia, which I, and many others, see as fundamentally flawed and heavily influenced by tribal custom. Jesus's statement was made when he chose to pick olives on the sabat as he and his followers had not eaten for some time and were repudiated by the priests for so doing. The important lesson taken from this act is that laws, even God's laws must be taken in the context of the situation, and if they are seen as unreasonable...
markthetruck 2 years ago
Tribalism has its benefits and the Prophet (saws) did not break up the tribes but made God's law superior to tribal law. And God wants the believers to be one nation, one community, and one tribe - so of course there is some tribal mindset in God's laws for the true believers are to be as close-knit to one another (at least in theory) as tribes traditionally are. I'm not defending all of tribalism; and a bit of tribal ethos would do the alienation of urban society some good.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
I agree that God's laws should be taken in the context that they were meant for. That is why there is a specific method for establishing an Islamic state, and despite a few muslims who want things like divorce laws integrated into western secular laws, the Muslims and especially the Mujahideen are not trying to impose Islamic law on the west. that is propaganda. The laws of Afghanistan and Canada for example, can never coexist.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Isn't the whole point of State to be autonomous and therefore borders are created to prevent one State to impose it's will upon another?
markthetruck 2 years ago
what are you talking about? that is a basic definition of a state, but that doesn't resolve who or what a state stands for, and who or what determines its borders and its charter and its purpose and its culture and so forth. and all the Muslim nations today had their borders and boundaries drawn up by european imperialists who had previously occupied, dominated, and robbed these lands. So you can do whatever you want in the west with regards to how you set up a state.....
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
But the Muslims must regain their freedom and reestablish the Khalifah and do away with artificial, man-made borders, boundaries, systems, and constitutions which go firmly against Islam and the brotherhood of faith - which is a brotherhood that always rises above any other type of bond or connection (and again this is the compete opposite of traditional notions of tribalism as well).
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
We cannot argue that the result of the 1st world war was a tragedy for the region, yet do you deny that the Ottoman Empire was just another Empire? Or are you proposing that the clock should be set back to 1000 ce?
markthetruck 2 years ago
The clock rate isn't the issue here Mr. Truck. There are things people did that were right and things that they did which were wrong. And that is equally true of the present if not more so. We always strive for the ideal society even if human reality that it we can never achieve it perfectly since humanity isn't perfect.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
public is fine... I just keep running into the character count limit.
markthetruck 2 years ago
Sadly, you come across all sorts of scum when riding around in public transport - like modernpharoah77. But like the children of Israel, we will never kneel down to the pharaoh no matter how many of our children they kill and no matter how many of our women they rape.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Every faith claims or has claimed supremecy over every other faith. Every religeous text (yes even the Mormon Bible) claims to be the word of God, revealed by God and unsullied by human interpretation. Every Empire has used religeon(or Love of State) to further it's political and economic aims. Man does not war without heaven's sanction. To preach hatred in any sense merely propogates the drive of empire, not the wishes of the Holy.
markthetruck 2 years ago
What is your evidence that one who preaches hate goes against the wishes of the holy. You have to first define what the holy is and then what it stands for. If we make distinctions between good and evil (like monotheism versus polytheism), then preaching hate and going to war against that which is considered evil by your source of holiness is not a drive for empire. It is a drive for goodness (no matter how small the numbers or how unpopular the cause).
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Do the Jews in Israel not do the same? Christians, including a Pope who has his authority directly handed down from Jesus's diciple(Peter) used divine sanction as justification for slaughter, rape, and conquest. Are they not also "people of the Book?" And yet you suggest to "know" God's Plan. Bush said he talked to "God" before he invaded Iraq. How is your predilection for violence any different?
markthetruck 2 years ago
The people of the book they are not, and I refer specifically to a speech by Anwar Deedat as well as a fatwa by bin Baz that declares contemporary jews and christians to not be of al-khitab (people of the book). So to answer that question first - NO. Violence is not the exclusive domain of religion or non-religion. It is a part of human nature and always will be. The divine plan we believe in is based on what we understand from the message God gives us. The message Bush got was from a trinity.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
The message Bush got was the ramblings of a delude mind. One that saw Iraquis as less than human, just as pseudo religeous persons do to whatever is unlike themselves. I communicate with you as you are a person; not an inanimate object. You have rights and a reasonable expectation to claim them, as a person. However, for me to claim you are less because your faith is not to my understanding, is ignorant at best and inhumane at worst.
markthetruck 2 years ago
Who says Bush was ever the man to make decisions. He remained president after being diagnosed with a certain disease so that Dick Chaney wouldn't become president. Listen to his speeches when he was governor of texas compared to after he became president.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Those guys who were beating up iraqis and torturing them and so forth were doing it in the name of nationalism and democracy and out of racism and imperial hubris. Sure, religion played a role for some, but it was the primary reason for those sad kids in uniform who went out to die for uncle sam (and maybe jesus christ as well, but not jesus christ exclusively). polytheism is polytheism, and everyone falls into the category of Muslim or Mushriqeen.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
You keep falling into the inside/outside argument. If you cannot reconcile the differences between there will be no end... The "Christians" in the vangaurd of the war used the justification that this would bring them closer to the 'end time'. Do you not argue the same?
markthetruck 2 years ago
I never argued the same and I am unaware of any Muslim who argued that. Where do get this from. This is at least the third or fourth time in this forum in which you have made an unfounded fabrication against me. yes, some jewish and christian zionists believe that. Other did not. the cause of the war is more complex than just one aspect of it (like what you state), and cheap oil and the formation of the "greater israel" were the primary reasons in my humble opinion.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
The point was that the so-called religious used that argument. Not all. Nationalism is the horse, Religeon is the banner. Do you actually believe that Arab empire wasn't hand in glove with the spread of Islam? The reason these "christians" want a greater Israel?? The end times will occur only after Israel is restored...
markthetruck 2 years ago
There are different horses and different banners but your larget point is that religion is a facilitator of empire and I don't really argue that. My argument was that religion is comprehensive and there is no life without it. As for Islam, jihad is of two types - defensive and offensive. Offensive jihad is when other nations do not allow the Muslims to preach tawheed and do not allow their own citizens to enter into Islam and migrate to an Islamic Khalifah. Then, the Khalifah will attack.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
You can call it an arab empire if you like, but that neglets the nature of Islam and its call. The arabs would have preferred their own culture (as Islam did away with many aspects of it) and arab nationalism and ethnic pride is very different from Islamic brotherhood and ruling according to divine shariah only - regardless of ethnicity. Some of the best companions of the Prophet (saws) were israelites, africans, and persians.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
It's a very narrow glass you're looking through. All religeons claim to be universal. I cannot claim to know of any that truly are. If the goal of a religeon is to stifle dissent and limit choice, how can it be just...
markthetruck 2 years ago
Then perhaps you are looking through a narrow glass. Many religions do claim to be universal, and thus, they contradict on another. As for your other question, how can it be just to allow all forms of dissent and give unlimited choice to one another. That Mr. Truck is the law of the jungle, and there is not justice there.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
That, Mr. Knowless, is a cop-out. I think it was Jesus who said God made the Law for man, not man for the Law.
markthetruck 2 years ago
Yes, God made the law for man. Not for cars and trucks. I agree with that. So what is your point in regards to what we were talking about, and what exactly is the cop-out you are referring to. There is a lot of traffic and perhaps you've gotten lost in its midst.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
To back out of an argument with a trite phrase such as 'the law of the jungle' is a cop out. it does not address the argument. Incidentally, it could be said that the 'law of the jungle' is in itself just due to the fact that all acts have consequence and are not subject to bias or interpretation. Notwithstanding the forestated, in my less than humble opinion, justice is seen to be done when ones actions do not limit or diminish the ability of others to exercise their franchise.
markthetruck 2 years ago
Actually, it addressed the argument perfectly. For what you complained about was that religion stifles freedom of expression. I support that completely. But the real secret is that there is no such thing as complete freedom. And nationalism and pure freedom are always incompatible for anything that threatens the security of the state will not be allowed or given free speech. Hypothetically, if we did have pure freedom - we would be like the animals in the jungle. Lion king song anyone?
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Of course, we are talking about Gulf War 2 only. No one ever remembers that there was no end to the constant bombing of Iraq between Gulf War 1 and Gulf War 2. And 1 million children died in Iraq as a result of the UN created and US enforced economic blockade. Every American, be they zionist or atheist as some level of blame for this infanticide of out times. But, go ahead and just read about the nazi genocide only in your schools.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Are you actually suggesting that I am a) American, and b)unaware of the period between the wars, including blockading so called dual-use technology?
markthetruck 2 years ago
I don't know who you are. I assumed you were just a truck running out of gas. But most americans are either unaware of that period or make excuses and justifications for it.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
And you forget that nationalism and economics and secularism have all done the same. You are trying to pin things down on certain religions without realizing that those religions are a part of more than just religion, and that everything you consider outside their domain is still a part of religion (albeit a different one). People fight for many different reasons, and some say that oil was as much a factor as Bush's born again religion.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
At the end of the day, nationalism and economics are just as important as Bush's faith or neocon zionists in causing Gulf War 2. You can't discount these factors when talking about violence. Does religion cause violence? Yes. Do other things cause violence? Yes. Would there be violence if there is no religion? Depends on how you define religion. If u do it narrowly, then yes. If u do it loosely, then u realize there is no such thing as humanity w/o religion, and so the question has no answer.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Again you fail to see the point. Religeon is but the banner. Empire is the horse. Power corrupts and to believe that religion is divorced from empire is simplistic.
markthetruck 2 years ago
and your a truck, so what? power corrupts that is as obvious as stating that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. who said religion is divorced from empire. it is like your other accusations against me before. they are totally made up in your exceedingly flat tires, and not in the any sort of reality. Religion will always be a part of empire, and empire will always be a part of religion, because religion is a part of humanity and humanity is a part of religion!
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Doesn't matter if we are talking about the religion of pure monotheism (Islam) or the various religions that are polytheistic in worship, or the religion of democracy or the religion of patriotism or the religion of secularism - the latter few being polytheism in the attributes of God, chief among which is the attribute of law-giver which is reserved for God *alone*. And to follow that is what it means to be a monotheist, and is the straight, narrow, and only way to God.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Consider this: in all the ages religeon has brought man rules and governed the activities of society. Every religeon has at some time come into conflict between Truth Revealed and Truth Observed.(Dogma the former, and Science the latter). Every faith has preached that others not of that faith have a lesser right to exist.
markthetruck 2 years ago
You definition of religion is flawed here, as religion encompasses more than just the divine. Also, you will see that rules and governance are a part of all communities and societies and nations regardless of how much or how little spiritual dogma plays into those laws and systems and structures. It is not just religion, but all sorts of ideologies and sciences (particularly as we move away from legolas or basic logic into the complexities of reality) that have the conflict u just stated.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
I gave no 'definition' of religeon. The point is that empire uses religeon to further it's aims. The lemmings that blindly march behind the priests cannot see others as themselves. They only see "others" unlike themselves. This gives them sanction to war for empire and pronounce it God's War.
markthetruck 2 years ago
I love the lemmings. That was a game I could play for hours on end as a kid :). You truly are more than just a truck mark! All that you say about priests and others and war and empire - applies to non-believers as well, and it applies to patriots, nationalists, secularists, democracy-worshipers, money -worshipers, other types of idolaters, and so on and so forth. Nice try, but not quite :).
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
And what do you mean by a lesser right to exist? Islam is clear that there is no compulsion in religion, yet, no system or ideology can be higher than the word of God (for that is a form of polytheism). I do not and never will believe that monotheists and polytheists are of equal value.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
And since the universalists claim such equality, they must answer the question of how to deal with those who oppose such equality. And in the end, they can't do anything but go against those who oppose them. Tolerance of intolerance is impossible. One believes that all peoples and faiths and are equal and lead to different pathways to God - but others do not hold that view and believe the path to God is straight and exclusive. These two sides will collide and come into conflict.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
And those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
markthetruck 2 years ago
I've used that line quite a bit myself :)
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Check out my response please!
786Dawn786 2 years ago
WOW!
I love it!
It was absolutely amazing!
Well done akhi!
786Dawn786 2 years ago
Nice vid btw. We never know what'll happen tomorrow
MuslimaticMuslimah 2 years ago
The tone of voice really hit the nail in the coffin
MuslimaticMuslimah 2 years ago
It never ceases to amaze me that such "religious" adherents are so disposed as to condemn another for the thoughts that should occur to all sentient beings. The question is, in my opinion, not asked frequently enough(as the answer would no doubt cause one to question the very foundations of the ethos of religeon) is: how can we marginalise those who express the very question of our belief in a supreme being?
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markthetruck 2 years ago
MashaAllah ekhi,brilliant! Wallahi brilliant!
Uff minak you had my heart racing lol
UnitedIntifada 2 years ago
First of all it is a great video .I as a Muslim cant stand with the some of our brothers judging on others as they are God or something.Isnt there a freedom of speech in Islam?As far as i know,there is nobody between Allah (cc) and the believer( mumin ) and only Allah can judge.Once we realize that everyone is free to live their religion but also political views seperately,we will never succeed and reach the modern civilazations!A person can be secular,nationalist and the muslim at the same time
ufuktann 2 years ago 3
Mashaa Allah, i love our videos..Thanks Man!
ModernPharaoh77 2 years ago 3
you are a disgrace to Islam and should have nothing to do with a real Muslim like Bonsai Sky. No nationalism and no secularism in Islam - and most here agree on that. You are in the wrong neighborhood girl.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Subhan Allah...lol, someone needs to goto an anger managment class..
ModernPharaoh77 2 years ago 6
@knowledge1Base9: What the hell is wrong with you? who are you to tell anyone who is a good or bad Muslim? Did you attend your anger managment class this week..lol, subhan Allah..people like you are mentally ill..i come say i like the video and you attack me like this? hahahaha!!! Dont ruin the Video and start an argument! Bonsai again GREAT VIDEO, Jazak Allah Khir..sorry but i had to answer this "angry" person, rabina yihdeeh!
ModernPharaoh77 2 years ago 5
there is nothing wrong with me kaafir - you are the one with the problem and the one with the disease in your heart. everyone and anyone can tell another if they are good or bad muslims, for actions are apparent and we judge actions (as opposed to what is hidden which only Allah can judge). think a little you monster. i saw your kufr on the message board of unitedintifada. Bosnai knows you are garbage, he is just too nice to say anything. Pharoah is a fitting name for you!
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Who is the Judge? Are you? Are you so in touch with the Supreme that you may speak for Him? Humility is a blessing. I pray that you may aquire some without the pain that accompanies it.
markthetruck 2 years ago
Part 1: This is interesting. You ask "who is to judge". And this reminds me of those christians bringing up misguided claims based on a single, solitary quote they attribute to Jesus (pbuh) that he said those who judge others should first remove the plank from their own eye! LOL. Why does God give us a message? Why does God give us instructions both in a personal sense and a collective sense? Why are there divine/cannon laws (in the old testament, new testament, and quran)?
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Part 2: Why do human beings have any type of laws to begin with? Why does God, in His message, clarify the traits and attributes of those who do good? Why does God even have a heaven and a hell, and different ranks within them, and the heights/purgatory between them? Why does God use messengers and prophets? Why does God have angels sitting on our shoulders recording out deeds? Don't you see - judging one another is one of the most important aspects of faith.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Part 3: It is how we increase our good deeds and how we explain the message, spread the message, or give warning to those who disbelieve in the message or have apostatized from it. Judging on another is a part of our very nature, and no one can claim to know the truth or claim to be on the right path if they haven't made a determination (and thus, a judgement) with regards to themselves as well as those around them. "And warn, for warning profits the believers." (Quran 51:55).
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
besides truck - who are you to judge me judging others?
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
If you continue on the path of shirk you stubborn nationalist, then may Allah soak you in the boiling water of hellfire.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Way to go... throwing stones from a glass house... Isn't compassion part of your ethos? Or are you so secure in the approval of your "god" that wishing others ill will is going to get you compassion for your trespass?
markthetruck 2 years ago
I noted the vdeo about numerology and Islam. WTF? Is a simple confluence of text and equation supposed to be proof in the devine origins of the Qu'ran?
The most obvious point to be made must be "Does a supreme being rely on numerology to confirm the existance of a supreme being?" Can't help but refer to the great Descarte "Cogito ergo sum" . What more proof could a believer require
markthetruck 2 years ago
Well done my brother!
fatima80231 2 years ago
Death is not disease ,disease is an abnormal condition of an organism that impairs bodily functions. To enjoy a nice Halal hotdog, yeast and beef did not struggle through disease, but they did die. You can mix terms like death & disease in poetry but not to further meaningful discussion about life.
SaintCog 2 years ago
darn u scared me...
al7md li allah 3ala asa7a
and yes that is a good reminder for all of us
jazak allah
floweriepot 2 years ago
Salaam
great video
peace
zafthedon 2 years ago
You have 3 children?
NinjaIbo 2 years ago
Yes.
BonsaiSky 2 years ago
woah mashaAllah :D When?? where is the third one?? :D I only saw your Daughter and your little son
NinjaIbo 2 years ago
سبحان الله اخي اللهم صلى على محمد ش ال محمد
HasanAbulFez 2 years ago
Yes, Bonsia - fearing death and becoming attached to this dunyah and worldly life is a disease. A disease of the heart. But, the way you structured the video and gave it a title and so forth, left an impression with many that you have a pathological disease of some sort. This sort of misleading (even if temporary and for a greater purpose) isn't always the best approach. In my humble opinion, the point could have been made without such "extremes". Fear Allah, and remember that Allah knows best.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Jazak Allahu Khairun. I have renamed the title. My intent was not to mislead but to draw attention to the remembrance of Allah and our purpose here in life.
Bonsai
BonsaiSky 2 years ago
lol I was confused for a sec when I got a reply back on my comment on "Sands of the Hourglass" !!! I thought did I miss one of your videos?! or maybe I didn't notice the title....
But I must admit the title "I have a disease sounded better, coz it caught my attention.
nhobbi 2 years ago
Then you are a prophet? You speak directly to God and know his mind? Tell me Oh Wise One; How does your limited falable intellect presume to grasp the Devine Plan? Or are you just a little mouse trying to roar as a lion?
markthetruck 2 years ago
well, mice are creatures too and while their roar isn't as loud, it is just as important to the Creator of them both. There is a hadith in Abu Dawood that goes something like this: Which of humanity suffers the most? Muhammad (pbuh) replied, the Prophets, then the righteous, then the ones who are most like them, and then the ones who are most like those who are most like the righteous." And part of righteousness is to always speak the truth and always give warnings about the hereafter.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Mr. Truck, neither did I say that nor did I even imply that. You know that judgement, laws, punishment, truthfulness, and enjoining good and forbidding evil (even in a harsh way) are a part of religion and faith and a part of all societies, and we as Muslims are commanded to do this. I am not and have no need to even claim that I am a scholar, let alone an imam. The rest of what you say is too blasphemous for me to even repeat in my comments.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
It is blasphemous to remind you of your falability? My; a little full of yourself, aren't you? The point you cannot seem to grasp is that whatever your faith, ultimately you answer only to the One. It is not yours to decide who does or does not share God's grace: that is His jurisdiction alone. Should God decide tomorrow to change His Law, then it is His prerogative to do so. Where then would be your judgement? Better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
markthetruck 2 years ago
No it is blasphemous for anyone to even imply that a human being is on the level of a prophet. you don't seem to understand much markthetruck. perhaps this is because you are an inanimate object used to drive human beings around as opposed to a human being yourself. the point you aren't grasping is that your faith does matter, and the way to the One is specific and not general. It is a one way road and not a multi-lane super highway.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
To communicate with an inanimate object is a contradiction in terms. My Point, dear sir seems to have been made...
markthetruck 2 years ago
No, communication can be one-way. In other words, your actually talking to yourself, but the inanimate object is like a placeholder for that communication. Since you and your buddy Pharaoh make judgments in every single post yet, decry those who make judgments directed at you, it is probably true that most people who try to reason with the two of you are in fact, just talking to themselves. There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion by the way, as others listening may benefit even if u dont.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
We all answer to the one, true God. But not all of us believe in God, and not all of us follow God, and not all of us defer all aspects of our lives to God. The rebels choose instead to follow man-made desires and innovations. So how can the end be the same? God is not unknowable. We can never fully understand God because of the limitations of our selves, and the fact that we are a part of creation. But, if God wills for us to know something about Him, then we certainly can make distinctions.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
Isn't that what it is to be human and falable? Should a man choose to follow one path or another is that not his choice to make? If God has given us the ability to reason and the ability to choose, is it not our prerogative, even obligation to do so? You claim to be a man of faith and yet I see a man who hasn't fully accepted his obligation as a man. Are you not your brother's keeper?
markthetruck 2 years ago
All human beings are fallible - especially myself. I never said otherwise and you implying such is a lie Mr. Truck. God gives man free choice certainly - and by that token, we have the choice to follow God's word or disbelieve in God's word. And we have a choice as to keeping quite or standing for what we believe to be right - and that requires making judgments. Just as you have made many judgments on me now say nothing of what your own opinion his regarding the obligation of man.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
I may judge my behaviour according to my understanding, knowing my understanding to be infused with many biases. I may understand and make allowance for my failings in my judgement but I have not the ability to say that another, though I utterly fail to see his method, is wrong. I can only judge his results. If the result of Christians preaching hatred against muslims caused(and it did) the crusades, then I judge these people to be unholy in the most extreme.
markthetruck 2 years ago
You have judged more than just your behavior here ;). Now your are simply setting up conditions for judgement as opposed to before where you seemed to take offense to any judgement. The truck as made nice u-turn, and I'm proud of you mark as this is a good start.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
God can do whatever He wills, but God is just and a just God gives us a clear and concise message with which to follow Him and adhere to those laws you seem to be talking about. As such, that message is the basis for our judgments here in this life and it commands us to follow them. If you do not believe in our message, then you are not one of us. God says clearly that Islam is the final revelation so if you believe in Islam - then there is no doubt in this matter. We are what we believe.
Knowledge1Base9 2 years ago
hope ..is best :)
FeelingsGoodorBad 2 years ago
Wow Perfect Reminder
mb4everNet 2 years ago
Death is a blessing and a friend for the believers in God, for Death is the vehicle which connects the believer to Gods happiness,Which is paradise,
While for a person who only believes in this earthly world,
Death would be a curse, because it kills all that he strove for in this world,
DivineLove247 2 years ago
Subhanallah!
TheEndGameBoY 2 years ago
Non Muslims try to avoid this topic by living live in a materialistic way only. ONce they reach very old age and start feeling it, they go into depression. Some ultimately try to do some good deeds to cancel whatever sins they did in the past but many live in denial of the hereafter. they think they will only live once.. they are msitaken.
Good reminder brother.
God bless you.
solitair1 2 years ago
Wow.. MashAllah...awesome video brother..
Great reminder!
and Bashir? How is it funny?.. =/ odddddd.
AAASMAli 2 years ago
WOW! Great video and so true.
sosena68 2 years ago
:)
We're all gonna die someday. I would rather go out fighting for something right and true then die a old person's bed death.
ProtectUsFromTheLie 2 years ago 2
wow mashallah brother you almost got me their lol
justamuslimgirl7 2 years ago
Wow amazing video really thought provoking Mash'Allah great job!!
sohairx33 2 years ago
Very well done.
webdawah 2 years ago
Thanks bro. Did you purchase that book?
BonsaiSky 2 years ago
Definitely, I should receive it by 23rd March. Thanks again.
webdawah 2 years ago
wait so you don't actually have a DISEASE (like cancer or AIDS), you're just saying that you might die eventually and you're lucky to make it this far, right?
SnakeSkin950 2 years ago
Precisely, SnakeSkin950.
Peace.
BonsaiSky 2 years ago
JazakAllah Khair for the vid Akhi. I was watching this vid and I was so tired that I didn't want to get up and read 'Isha prayer (May Allah forgive me). I watched u'r your vid and got up str8 away to read it. I thought, what if I die tonight and the last thing I did was surfing the net on my laptop. Do I really want to leave the world that way? SubhanAllah. May Allah reward you for that.
BendAndNotBreak01 2 years ago
Nobody gets out of here alive....
randyhelzerman 2 years ago
Funny, but very true.
Bashir38 2 years ago
Thanks for the reminder.
MustafaSpeaks 2 years ago
This is a joke.
retroforever 2 years ago
dont use the same voice brother on your next vids, i was terrified!
kadzof1 2 years ago
Wow SubhanAllah brother, I thought that I had a real disease, I mean, literally a disease, I got really worried bro!
Salaam Hehe
easyonetwothree 2 years ago
great video
starsstudios 2 years ago
Mashallah, Bonsai very thought provoking video. Definatly has got me thinking about the hereafter. Jazak-Allah Khairun
Silent4rc 2 years ago
OMG amazing
mashAllah
umsal3a 2 years ago
OH MY GOD !:D i actully got the same disease:D.
Ensaf91 2 years ago
Interesting video
IslamTheWay786 2 years ago
great video