SouthAmerican fans are the best in the world... we kill for are team... look up in youtube this fans : Barra Amsterdam, La 12 , Los Borrachos del Tablon... THOSE are REAL fans
Enough with these uninformed comments about these being polish non-american fans. Here, you can be both polish and american. Most of the polish in chicago are third or fourth generation in America. It is said that there are more poles in chicago than in krakow!
I love how most of these pictures were taken at Soldier Field, when Section 8 wasn't a bunch of kids. It needs to get back to its roots. I can't even sit near them anymore.
You don't have to be a drunk punk to be a futbol fan. Hooligans bring NOTHING positive to a league. There is nothing to be proud of when you have drunken riots after a game, and you don't need violence to be ultra.
I saw a few pictures of your way of being ultra.. its not as good as here in germany but i like you! Respect to create a Ultras Group in USA!!! My Relatives are from Chicago and when i go there in summer i will go to a match and help to support your team!
Thanks for the understanding! People outside the US don't realize how difficult it is to be a futbol fan in America. We're a young club, and we're still learning!
Lots of Americans LOVE soccer, love it. Give it time, mind you we have 4 Major sports in this country that have been around as long as 125 years (baseball). I get so sick of the euro trash that comments on how weak American soccer is.....it's been a professional league for only 10 years, oh and I'd still like my chances on the U.S taking out the English National Team, a bunch of class players who don't know how to play together whatsoever, enjoy watching Euro 08 lads, Go Deutschland.
americans dont like soccer but they dont dislike it
its more of most dont understand the beautiful game
we have been getting a bigger and bigger fan base but the set back in the 06 world cup was dissapointing and set us back
americans will never love the game as much as europeans do because it is a "pansy" sport to americans but then again most americans wouldnt get into a fight for there american football team
dont listen to that asshole. americans who love soccer love soccer. im sure there are plenty europeans who dont like soccer themselves. its getting HUGE (thats what she said) but yes, supporter groups, rivalries, fan violence, that is all sprouting. Im sure when the premiership started, soccer did not have that effect on people. Mind you, the mls is 10 years old. ESC (empire supporters club) Redbulls New York
would you do anythin about it. just cuz your country has hooligans with traditions, would it mean that if you guys came over here and had a scrap with bunch of my boys and i you would kick our asses?.. i can tell you right now that you wouldn't. what the fuck does england know about growin up in brooklyn. ( fuck brixton, thats pussy shit, and glasgow, shit my cousins live in Glasgow that aint tough) Im tellin you passionate support is here so why dont you book that plane ticket
they will never reach european supporting standards they're all a bunch of daytrippers and literally if i ever seen an american hoolie i would laugh in his face what a joke pmsl
i miss the games at soldier field, i used to work security for a bunch of em back in the late 90's, used to be insane, more intense then at Toyota Park, the crowd just seemed more wild throughout, not just Section 8. Anyone else think that?
I do miss the old Section 8 atmosphere at Soldier Field. I think we need to get more new members in the Section 8 crowd. Plus, have more interacting programs with the kids and current players.
Kids are the future for the greatest game Earth to survive in the states.
youesssoccer, who can seriosly be afraid of MLS hooligans?? Look at Swedish soccer hooligans where u have to have like 30 police officers with shields and shit when the game ends. I also second what Zuerich guy said, nowhere near the european supporting standards, btw ive been sitting with the Ultras many times.
hooligans and Ultras are not the same. hooligans are not really supporters, but the tough guys that walk in front line and know how to "defend themselves" ;)
hope you guys keep it coming in the usa, but u still got a long way to go to reach european supporting standards!
english clubs have great fans who sing all game,we're not talking about shitty little amounts like 200 fans singing when you score like you get in the MLS,in the south bank at wolves we sing with passion all game.Have you ever witnessed crowd trouble in the MLS?Do you get hundreds of police in stands separating supporters because the passion may overboil into fights,do you even get over 100 away fans,stop fucking slagging off the most passionate footballing country in the world you twat
Now i was raised in Farm Country of Northern Illinois, and now I live between KC and Dallas....Sorry, I cannot bring myself to like them. Besides....It won't be long 'fore they BURN TO THE GROUND! GO FIRE!
LOL Chelseatillidie is a 15 year old who thinks he's a hoolie.
Get the fuck out of here. On top of that, one of his favorite movies is Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Just click on his name for all the stupid favorites he has. OMG fuck off little boy.
Celtic has good atmosphere during big games, otherwise they are just ok. Rangers is another that can be ok. But most of GB has shit atmosphere and that's the truth. And your talking about hooligans. England may have used to have good firms, but you guys aren't shit anymore.
OH NO!! i read in the paper that you guys got in trouble for bringing smoke bombs to the game. If your gonna smuggle something in, make it a brick or something, not something you can get at wallgreens for 2 bucks. go drive your mini van around.
Hey, that's okay. Let them make fun of us. One day we'll show them. We're still a VERY new league. So don't worry, euro trash, we'll get the hang of it.
right, whatever talent the US has, goes strait to europe to play fuckin Div 2 football in Germany, admit it , the US's best player is a sub on Fulham, he dosent even fucking play!!
WRONG! with gaurds seperating you from the away fans, so you dont kick the fuck out someone, have you ever experienced that? Have you Fucking ultras ever shown up to a match to fight the opposing fans...... you support the team thats in your city. and rightly so, but, your rivals, are you seperated by race, religion, and politics? have you ever sung in unison with 70,000 other fans until your about to faint? section 8 with what 150 people trying to drown out the road fans, about 4?
Where have you chanted with 70,000 other fans until you almost fainted? It deffinitly wasn't at stamford bridge! You would have to be a bloody millionaire to go to see chelsea on a regular basis these days. Not exactly a hotbed of thugs these days.
Are those the sort of boys you look up to? Those old fat orange bastards couldn't fight there way through a paper bag! They are the sort that would hit you on the back of the head with an Iron bar! They couldn't fight one on one to save their life! Just like most football hooligans!
I just looked at your profile. Holy shit, a chelsea supporter from the Banner County!! I've seen it all now ;) Im a Derry City fan myself, for my sins.
I know that you will laugh at me but which is closer to you? Limerick 37 or Galway United? I'm of the opinion that people should support their local clubs although I know that is a minority in Ireland.
what did I spell wrong? Nothing. Who you support? Man U? Cheslea? Barca? Your just a dumb kid who is a glory hunter. Have fun watching your team on TV, because you will never see them live.
"Your" is spelled "you're" in this case you fucking retard. It's idiots like you that rape and destroy the english language. And FYI I don't like any Euro team. I hate the MLS because it just pumps money into its teams and markets the league to force "soccer" down people's throats. For Christ's sake, burnt out ex-Euro stars think your league is so worthless they're willing accept huge amounts of money just to bust themselves down to your level and have a nice, relaxed vacation.
You use spelling as talking shit? Weak. YOU'RE just one of those internet tough guys. You don't support any glory team. I'm calling bullshit on that one.
I support Club America, the winningest team of the CONCACAF. Your fucking worthless, pathetic team has absolutely nothing on it. There is no "passion." Your ultras culture is a complete joke. I don't care how high you jump, or how many flags you fly. You ultras culture didn't develop on its own. Money, Euro-stars, marketing, expansion. Nowhere else in the world did football need these to flourish. That's why few of you will ever know the joy of rooting for a real team with real history.
US hooligans,eh? funny. who do you fight with - other supporters, or maybe the cops? no fucking way! the only thing you can do is perform better on the stadium - flares, smokes,etc... but I doubt that the cops will let you do it.
great job...
respect from berlin germany...
HERTHA BSC BERLIN
LORDN3LSON 6 months ago
Fire til I die!
03focussvt943 9 months ago
Wisla, Lechia i Slask to kurwy. Tylko ARKA !!!!!!
76ElPolako 1 year ago
SouthAmerican fans are the best in the world... we kill for are team... look up in youtube this fans : Barra Amsterdam, La 12 , Los Borrachos del Tablon... THOSE are REAL fans
diegomanya17 1 year ago
greetings from Argentina guys
pirufihho 1 year ago
wypierdalać amerykańskie parówy !
musze przyznać, że całkiem nieźle się organizujecie
pozdro
Robkolejorz 1 year ago
Enough with these uninformed comments about these being polish non-american fans. Here, you can be both polish and american. Most of the polish in chicago are third or fourth generation in America. It is said that there are more poles in chicago than in krakow!
yakimicki 1 year ago
Chicago Fire Fans Germany
ChicagoFireGermany 1 year ago
CHICAGO FIRE
HessenTobi 1 year ago
CHICAGO FIRE!!!
HessenTobi 1 year ago
hahhaha bunch of fags wannabe european fans
hdfvcufge 1 year ago
@hdfvcufge never quiete at a match in bridgeview... cant say the same about goodison
bbbicf 1 year ago
@bbbicf At goodison...?! quiet?! NEVER! COYB'S!
USsoccer4evr 9 months ago
the polish people bring the ULTRAS to the USA because we need some home in this country!!!
MrDonSzymon 2 years ago 2
HAHAHAHAHA....What a bunch of tools. you guys are a joke
taa4785 2 years ago
@taa4785 how are we tools, i dont get it, explain it to us
bbbicf 1 year ago
I love how most of these pictures were taken at Soldier Field, when Section 8 wasn't a bunch of kids. It needs to get back to its roots. I can't even sit near them anymore.
davidguyon 2 years ago
Boo hoo, you're getting old. That's the only thing that's really changed. ;)
pahwraith 2 years ago
You don't have to be a drunk punk to be a futbol fan. Hooligans bring NOTHING positive to a league. There is nothing to be proud of when you have drunken riots after a game, and you don't need violence to be ultra.
Dedicednu 2 years ago
Nice video, ultras in the U.S.! Who would know :D Greetings from Norway
UltrasLillestrom 2 years ago
Hey Guys from Chicago Fire,
I saw a few pictures of your way of being ultra.. its not as good as here in germany but i like you! Respect to create a Ultras Group in USA!!! My Relatives are from Chicago and when i go there in summer i will go to a match and help to support your team!
Best wishes from Nuremberg, Germany
MaxMorlock09 2 years ago 7
Thanks for the understanding! People outside the US don't realize how difficult it is to be a futbol fan in America. We're a young club, and we're still learning!
Dedicednu 2 years ago
fucking noobs... you have a lot to learn my "ultra" (if I can call you that) mates
joaomigproenca 2 years ago
lol its polish fans)
Bandersadt 3 years ago 5
of course...lol. The majority of the Fire fans in Chicago... Polish and Mexican
HazeGreyAndUnderway 2 years ago 2
El veterano Cuauhtemoc Blanco luciendo en el Chicago Fire... Aguila de Fuego que jala taquilla! puro México!
de igual manera, siendo que Chicago es la segunda ciudad con mas mexicanos en EE.UU, el voto mexicano-americano favoreció a Obama en un 85%.
EkBalam707 3 years ago
chicago fans are all right only cuz obama is the man.
FCnewyorkESC 3 years ago
i agree more mentality just waving flags dosen't mean your ultras why don't you go see some real ultras
AS ROMA UNICA FEDE
foffi91 3 years ago
polisch fans the best !!! CRACOVIA KRAKOW !!
pepebos 3 years ago
haha these r like all POlish pll..
lol
laska6996 3 years ago 2
greets from switzerland.you're the best supporters in the usa.hope you guys keep it coming.mentalita ultras!
bamboli1 3 years ago 2
nice greets from frankfurt germany search Eintracht frankfurt and see what supporters we have in germany
sgnkydjhsxjhf 3 years ago
aaaaahahahaha polska boys or what???
but nice i thing thats the best supporter in u.s
brings from poland.lol but very nice ....fuck of football....football is soccer guys!!!!
aboja111 3 years ago 2
ale' chicago fire!!
semperINTER 3 years ago
Chicago Fire = Best fans in North America. Period.
evillutionskate 3 years ago 2
u must not know anything about the fans of north america because the best fans are from the team EL AMERICA of mexico!!!
chilindrino7546 3 years ago
śląsk-wisełka-lechia-fire
Luk0il 3 years ago
tiaaa.... :D
herms 3 years ago
JAGA-WISLA-FIRE
StanPL 4 years ago
haha...
herms 3 years ago
Lots of Americans LOVE soccer, love it. Give it time, mind you we have 4 Major sports in this country that have been around as long as 125 years (baseball). I get so sick of the euro trash that comments on how weak American soccer is.....it's been a professional league for only 10 years, oh and I'd still like my chances on the U.S taking out the English National Team, a bunch of class players who don't know how to play together whatsoever, enjoy watching Euro 08 lads, Go Deutschland.
davidguyon 4 years ago 4
jo from berlin.....sorry but u need the mentality ......
look the ultras in euroe or south america ......u never do that....i hope but not in this live
aboja111 3 years ago
These are POLISH FIRE FANS not american hooligans!
herms 4 years ago 2
so then what do americans think about soccer do you like it or not? im not american but i like the mls
manutdaregreat 4 years ago
americans dont like soccer but they dont dislike it
its more of most dont understand the beautiful game
we have been getting a bigger and bigger fan base but the set back in the 06 world cup was dissapointing and set us back
americans will never love the game as much as europeans do because it is a "pansy" sport to americans but then again most americans wouldnt get into a fight for there american football team
imdelightful 4 years ago
dont listen to that asshole. americans who love soccer love soccer. im sure there are plenty europeans who dont like soccer themselves. its getting HUGE (thats what she said) but yes, supporter groups, rivalries, fan violence, that is all sprouting. Im sure when the premiership started, soccer did not have that effect on people. Mind you, the mls is 10 years old. ESC (empire supporters club) Redbulls New York
bloodyknuckles87 4 years ago
thanks for liking the mls and not saying racist things against americans.
p.s i love man utd too!
chivasfan310 2 years ago
Oh Jesus, this video made my day.
Why dont you guys just keep watching baseball games, man i would love to see an american hooligan, id cross the atlantic just for that.
petma01 4 years ago
would you do anythin about it. just cuz your country has hooligans with traditions, would it mean that if you guys came over here and had a scrap with bunch of my boys and i you would kick our asses?.. i can tell you right now that you wouldn't. what the fuck does england know about growin up in brooklyn. ( fuck brixton, thats pussy shit, and glasgow, shit my cousins live in Glasgow that aint tough) Im tellin you passionate support is here so why dont you book that plane ticket
bloodyknuckles87 4 years ago
they will never reach european supporting standards they're all a bunch of daytrippers and literally if i ever seen an american hoolie i would laugh in his face what a joke pmsl
domt5 4 years ago
haha Polacy gdzie ich niema hehe super Polska flaga i Jagiellonia - Widzew hehe - Forza Chicago ! dobre filmik
partizanek 4 years ago
north america and "football"... like europe and american football!! the one does not belongs to the other!
slepi 4 years ago
i miss the games at soldier field, i used to work security for a bunch of em back in the late 90's, used to be insane, more intense then at Toyota Park, the crowd just seemed more wild throughout, not just Section 8. Anyone else think that?
davidguyon 4 years ago
I do miss the old Section 8 atmosphere at Soldier Field. I think we need to get more new members in the Section 8 crowd. Plus, have more interacting programs with the kids and current players.
Kids are the future for the greatest game Earth to survive in the states.
chicagoguy1978 4 years ago
thank you for this video it made my day
1omar 4 years ago
go fire ...polska kurwa gora.....
marekmazurkiewicz 4 years ago
ARRIVA LAS CHIVAS!!!!!
sixfouimpala 4 years ago
youesssoccer, who can seriosly be afraid of MLS hooligans?? Look at Swedish soccer hooligans where u have to have like 30 police officers with shields and shit when the game ends. I also second what Zuerich guy said, nowhere near the european supporting standards, btw ive been sitting with the Ultras many times.
Karven12345 4 years ago
You don't want to mess with the section 8 hooligans. They are the loudest and toughest supporters in the league.
youesssoccer 4 years ago
hooligans and Ultras are not the same. hooligans are not really supporters, but the tough guys that walk in front line and know how to "defend themselves" ;)
hope you guys keep it coming in the usa, but u still got a long way to go to reach european supporting standards!
ThePrideofZuerichGCZ 4 years ago 2
POLSKA HOOLIGANS!!!
bokaj1312 4 years ago
fags
meatpieguy 4 years ago
english clubs have great fans who sing all game,we're not talking about shitty little amounts like 200 fans singing when you score like you get in the MLS,in the south bank at wolves we sing with passion all game.Have you ever witnessed crowd trouble in the MLS?Do you get hundreds of police in stands separating supporters because the passion may overboil into fights,do you even get over 100 away fans,stop fucking slagging off the most passionate footballing country in the world you twat
legendthe1st 4 years ago
Now i was raised in Farm Country of Northern Illinois, and now I live between KC and Dallas....Sorry, I cannot bring myself to like them. Besides....It won't be long 'fore they BURN TO THE GROUND! GO FIRE!
Hiei2k7 4 years ago
im friends with justin on chicago fire
jakeheataolcom 4 years ago
GO FIRE!!!
ibecoolyo24 4 years ago
SEARCH THIS 55.000 crazy fans jumping!
applesmear 4 years ago
very lame fans, but best in MLS. and english are dirty drunken faggots. chelsea is horribly gay
mdonch08 4 years ago
Chicago is a Joke...how many fans actually show up for a game???? Toronto F.C has 20,000.00 fans every game.
Busbyboy74 4 years ago
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU CHICAGO???
Toronto is waiting. Leave the women and children at home. GB atmopsheres are shit? wow you are a sheltered little boy.
shootgoats 4 years ago
Toronto is shit...fucking useless Canadian. Go play ice hockey
ArsenalLasagneChef 4 years ago
kicked yer ass saturday though eh?
heydude69 4 years ago
LOL Chelseatillidie is a 15 year old who thinks he's a hoolie.
Get the fuck out of here. On top of that, one of his favorite movies is Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Just click on his name for all the stupid favorites he has. OMG fuck off little boy.
kikkoman1231 4 years ago
wow, pickin on a kid, how mature, move out of ur moms basemant and stop watching wrestling you pompus prick. WHO THE FUCK R YA!!!
chelseatillidie55 4 years ago
search glasgow celtic fans-you'll never walk alone and then tell me that the UK atmosphere sucks
chelseatillidie55 4 years ago
Celtic has good atmosphere during big games, otherwise they are just ok. Rangers is another that can be ok. But most of GB has shit atmosphere and that's the truth. And your talking about hooligans. England may have used to have good firms, but you guys aren't shit anymore.
chicagoultras 4 years ago
OH NO!! i read in the paper that you guys got in trouble for bringing smoke bombs to the game. If your gonna smuggle something in, make it a brick or something, not something you can get at wallgreens for 2 bucks. go drive your mini van around.
chelseatillidie55 4 years ago
WOW, you guys can hold flares in unison, your cool.................................................................fags
chelseatillidie55 4 years ago
what dedice said
reznick8 4 years ago
Hey, that's okay. Let them make fun of us. One day we'll show them. We're still a VERY new league. So don't worry, euro trash, we'll get the hang of it.
Dedicednu 4 years ago
you're embarrasing yourself in front of the world....it's not okay
chelseatillidie55 4 years ago
Just wait about ten years from now when we're kicking your ass to say that.
Dedicednu 4 years ago
right, whatever talent the US has, goes strait to europe to play fuckin Div 2 football in Germany, admit it , the US's best player is a sub on Fulham, he dosent even fucking play!!
chelseatillidie55 4 years ago
Right. Talk shit once Chelsea fans start singing. The atmosphere in GB sucks and everyone knows it
chicagoultras 4 years ago
WRONG! with gaurds seperating you from the away fans, so you dont kick the fuck out someone, have you ever experienced that? Have you Fucking ultras ever shown up to a match to fight the opposing fans...... you support the team thats in your city. and rightly so, but, your rivals, are you seperated by race, religion, and politics? have you ever sung in unison with 70,000 other fans until your about to faint? section 8 with what 150 people trying to drown out the road fans, about 4?
chelseatillidie55 4 years ago
Where have you chanted with 70,000 other fans until you almost fainted? It deffinitly wasn't at stamford bridge! You would have to be a bloody millionaire to go to see chelsea on a regular basis these days. Not exactly a hotbed of thugs these days.
ruairidevine 4 years ago
chelseahooliganscom, enough fuckin said, u twat
chelseatillidie55 4 years ago
Are those the sort of boys you look up to? Those old fat orange bastards couldn't fight there way through a paper bag! They are the sort that would hit you on the back of the head with an Iron bar! They couldn't fight one on one to save their life! Just like most football hooligans!
ruairidevine 4 years ago
to be honest, you might be right, no joke. i must be the only irish catholic chelsea fan on the planet :) im not like them
chelseatillidie55 4 years ago
I just looked at your profile. Holy shit, a chelsea supporter from the Banner County!! I've seen it all now ;) Im a Derry City fan myself, for my sins.
ruairidevine 4 years ago
enlighten me. what team should i support then???
chelseatillidie55 4 years ago
I know that you will laugh at me but which is closer to you? Limerick 37 or Galway United? I'm of the opinion that people should support their local clubs although I know that is a minority in Ireland.
ruairidevine 4 years ago
my family support celtic, but im chelsea, why not the blues?
chelseatillidie55 4 years ago
Same reason as celtic, they are British teams.
ruairidevine 4 years ago
but celtic how a distinct irish fan base, practicaly IRA fueled
chelseatillidie55 4 years ago
l'essere ultras è un movimento giovanile nato in italia e che è stato trasportato in tutto il mondo...
AVANTI ULTRAS,SEMPRE ATESTA ALTA! NO ALLA REPRESSIONE!!!
ultrasFOGGIAitalia 4 years ago
id be embarrased if it wasnt so funny-a yank firm,wot next a well dressed german one
ostilad81 4 years ago
Christ this is embarassing.
DethFromAbv 5 years ago
your a little kid and have no idea what your talking about. My advice, shut the fuck up
chicagoultras 5 years ago
You can't even spell you fucking idiot. Keep rooting for your mediocre MLS team, faggot.
DethFromAbv 5 years ago
what did I spell wrong? Nothing. Who you support? Man U? Cheslea? Barca? Your just a dumb kid who is a glory hunter. Have fun watching your team on TV, because you will never see them live.
chicagoultras 5 years ago
"Your" is spelled "you're" in this case you fucking retard. It's idiots like you that rape and destroy the english language. And FYI I don't like any Euro team. I hate the MLS because it just pumps money into its teams and markets the league to force "soccer" down people's throats. For Christ's sake, burnt out ex-Euro stars think your league is so worthless they're willing accept huge amounts of money just to bust themselves down to your level and have a nice, relaxed vacation.
DethFromAbv 5 years ago
You use spelling as talking shit? Weak. YOU'RE just one of those internet tough guys. You don't support any glory team. I'm calling bullshit on that one.
chicagoultras 5 years ago
I support Club America, the winningest team of the CONCACAF. Your fucking worthless, pathetic team has absolutely nothing on it. There is no "passion." Your ultras culture is a complete joke. I don't care how high you jump, or how many flags you fly. You ultras culture didn't develop on its own. Money, Euro-stars, marketing, expansion. Nowhere else in the world did football need these to flourish. That's why few of you will ever know the joy of rooting for a real team with real history.
DethFromAbv 5 years ago
Club America's history is of corruption, cheating, and low-life fans. Your sorry ass can have them.
chicagoultras 5 years ago
Hahaha I like how you pretend you know who you're talking about.
DethFromAbv 5 years ago
Deth shut up. Knowbody really cares what you think.
USNavy9115 4 years ago
I`ve lived in Salt Lake City and some of the Real fans tried to misbehave but it`s impossible in a country like Amerika I think...
A.C.A.B.
701914 5 years ago
US hooligans,eh? funny. who do you fight with - other supporters, or maybe the cops? no fucking way! the only thing you can do is perform better on the stadium - flares, smokes,etc... but I doubt that the cops will let you do it.
701914 5 years ago
We are from Europe.Polish hools.About fight talk to other supporters-GALAXY,NEW ENGLAND,D.C.UNITED,COLUMBUS CREW.
A.C.A.B.
andywks 5 years ago
chicago ultras is the best fans in MLS!!!
footbal1990 5 years ago
Go Fire!
Best fans in MLS.
Section 8 4-Ever!!!
FireFan92 5 years ago
go fire ultras
-pozdro sandecja ultras nowy sacz-
SACZERSI
herms 5 years ago
Go Ultras PL!
bryde1 5 years ago
Don't stop livin in the red! s8
imoriginallikeyou 5 years ago
Hey mikeDICK---STFU! come to Chicago, we let you know.
spannerkool 5 years ago
What You know about FIRE ULTRAS 98?
andywks 5 years ago
there are no hooligans in america i live here
they are bunch of girls not like real European football fans
mikevick723 5 years ago
Soccer hooligans in Amerika? In Chicago? Who knew ??
nyrmetros 5 years ago