Challenge of Islam (Pt1): What is Islam-Session 1

[KoranLeaks]

mohmet is anti christ ...  read first epistle of saint John .

[GodsSeer]

Abraham DID believe on that Salvation of the Messiah who was to come as He said; Ge 22:8 And Abraham said, "My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.The words, ''Islam not Muslim'' IS Not anywhere in Bible.

[TRINITYisLOVE]

There is one historical fact which denies every kind of literal interpretation of the Qur'an: the crucifiction is an historical fact, known even by the pagan istorians of the time. if you say to love Jesus, you have to love the crucified. If not your love is not humble enough

[micheal74rich]

1of3) Even in God less religion such as Buddhism people do agree that Buddha DO NOT encourage people to commit evil, yet alone God of monotheistic religion, the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus would not have encouraged Jewish people to kill Jesus in most barbaric way for sin of humanity, because the God is The Most Merciful and He forgives whom He wills, therefore barbaric killing of Jesus could not have come from God, simply because God do not encourage people to commit evil.

[micheal74rich]

2of3) The way Jesus died, inhumane, brutal, barbaric and humiliating & these evil acts could not have come from God. Because God do not commit evil, therefore Christianity never could have come from God, nor does God's mercy is subjugated to any substance on earth, including blood or killing because God is independent from everything that exists on Earth and heaven. Christianity could not have come from God, so Christians are doom to hell fire.

[micheal74rich]

3of3) God do not encourage people to commit evil, therefore Jesus' death in most humiliated way was work of bad Jewish people, could not have come from God, and attributing it unto God as if that God wants Jesus be killed for sins of humanity was even greater evil.

Further saying that God have a son is an accusation against God; it is like attributing human-like and animal-like properties (i.e. having sons and daughters) unto God is unforgiving sin. Christians do not realize this.

[IsraelGudsAugestein]

Abraham and Ishmael were never in Saudi Arabia and Mecca. God made a covenant with Abraham and Isaac. Not with Ishmael. The Arabs are not descendants of Ishmael. It is historically impossible that Abraham and Ishmael wandered to Saudi Arabia and Mecca. The Biblical Abraham worshiped never the Islamic god.

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@IsraelGudsAugestein

BUT ISHMAEL WAS ALSO BLESSED,AND GOD SAYS IN THE BIBLE THAT HE WILL MAKE HIM A GREAT NATION

[SmartGuy4today]

Actually even better. Muhammad isn't even a descendent of Ishmael anyways, he is a descendent of Isaac. Muhammad is a member of the Quraysh Tribe, which came from Banu Kinanah, which came from Elijah.

IGA, you gotta understand that most things that date beyond a thousand years are purely mythology. So there is no point arguing what happened and what did not. It is impossible for over 200,000 Jews during Moses's time to have came from the same paternal and maternal ancestor 500 to 700 years ago.

[SmartGuy4today]

The biggest Question is if Muhammad and his tribe descended from Jews. What happened to have made Mecca such a Pagan city? Well, similar situation to what happened during Elijah and Jeremiah's time in which their respect lands were being taken by Idol Worship. Based on the accounts of Abraham, Elijah, and Jeremiah who were more about removing Idol Worship amongst their own people, it could best display how Muhammad thought he was a prophet and since he is Jewish hold connection via his heritage.

[Nakdimon316]

I bet I know more about islam than you do my friend. And we do NOT share prophets. The prophets that went before Muhammad preached nothing like muhammad preached. Muhammad is the ONLY prophet of Islam, since Islam didnt exist. PROOF it for once! Muslims always claim things, but they never prove what they say. the bible is corrupted: NO PROOF! Jesus was a Muslim: NO PROOF! Abraham built the Ka'aba: NO PROOF! Arabs descent from Ishmael: NO PROOF! And the list goes on.

[aek21gangsta]

amen! you say that so beautiful!

JESUS IS LORD!

[micheal74rich]

Have you ever heard of God flying on baby angels? Here is it in the Bible, you could have a second thought of this God never need to fly on baby angels, nor does God say things that contradict with His nature. Think Think Think just pause and think, if this cannot be nature of God, then who put this in the Bible.

2nd Samuel 22:11 And he rode upon a cherub and did fly and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.

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@Nakdimon316

I'LL SHOW YOU ALL THE POINTS THAT YOU ARE SHOWING THERE 1)IF YOU HEARD THIS MAN HE SAD THE TRUTH WHEN HE SAD THAT ISLAM=TOTAL SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF GOD.NOW YOU TELL ME WHICH PROPHET DIDN'T HAVE THIS KIND OF RELIGION.IN THE OTHER SIDE,IF OY ARE A CHRISTIAN SHOW ME WHERE JESUS SAD THAT CHRISTIANITY IS MY RELIGION?OR IF YOU ARE A JEW TELL ME WHERE MOSES SAD THAT HIS RELIGION IS JUDAISM?YOU HAVE NO PROOF FOR THAT

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@Nakdimon316 HERE ARE THEPROOFS 1)BIBLE IS CORRUPTED BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY VERSIONS THAT CONTRADICT ONE TO ANOTHER.ALSO INSIDE ONE VERSION THERE ARE MANY CONTRADICTIONS.DON'T GO TOO FAR,JUST READ CAREFULLY CHAPTER 1 AND 2 OF GENESIS AND SE HOW MANY CONTRADICTIONS YOU'LL FIND ONLY ON THEESE CHAPTERS

2)ISLAM HAS MANY MEANINGS,ONE OF THEM IS TOTAL SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF GOD.NOW IF ISLAM MEANS THAT,THEN WHICH PROPHET DID NOT HAVE THIS RELIGION(INCLUDING JESUS)?

[SmartGuy4today]

WRONG!

The Prophets never believed in a god and were purely atheistic. The names used for the identity of the supreme being were Elohim and YHWH, which both mean the same thing, "He who shall not be named" or "He who is without a name" or "I am what I am" and not "The God."

Elohim or Yahweh was not a GOD and not even the one true god, because there are no gods. Gods are nothing more than the form address in the physical manifestation of an Idol. Without the idol, the god cannot exist.

[SmartGuy4today]

And thus not a god.

Allah derives from Allah Kaaba, the God of the Kaaba and that is why your people pray towards the Kaaba. The Kaaba isn't the location of El or Yahweh. The Reason why the Jews pray towards Jerusalem is because that is the location the sacred mount where Elohim or Yahweh had spoken to Abraham. Thus it is considered BEYOND sacred.

Any reason why they would allow your people to build a mosque over that as a shrine to your prophet's death as though he was a deity is beyond me.

[SmartGuy4today]

The point I am making is that no Jewish Prophet ever was a Muslim, because in order to be a Muslim you must profess the first pillar. That "The God" is the one and only God and that Muhammad was his prophet.

Jesus, Abraham, Isaac, Elijah (Who is Muhammad's ancestor, not Ishmael), Jeremiah, Moses, David, and Solomon never believed there would be a man named Muhammad who would become a prophet, nor did any of them believed in "THE GOD," they believed in "'HE' Who shall not be named."

[SmartGuy4today]

By the way, if the Kaaba is not Allah's idol, then why do your pray towards it?

The Jews pray towards an empty lot of land and space that had once existed. Virtually they pray towards nothing, which makes a Jew no different than an atheist, because an Atheist doesn't pray towards anything, which is exactly the same thing.

Your people pray towards stone from space that has before Muhammad's time been a deity it self. If your people were so adamant of removing idol worshiping, why not the Kaaba?

[SmartGuy4today]

It is also why Jews address their entity of worship as G-d and not as God or Allah. G-d is an intentional mispelling of the word god that indicate their lack of worship over a deity. They are atheists and always were atheists. And guess what, so was Muhammad. Muhammad is the descendent of Elijah, he was an atheist. He sought to remove Idol Worship. In truth, those who do not worship Idols are atheists, because God and Idol are synonymous. One is the physical representation and the other, form.

[SmartGuy4today]

Even if they did descend from Ishmael. Muhammad descended from Isaac, thus he is not an Arab, but a Jew.

Muhammad wasn't a prophet of Islam. He was a Jew who got killed and had his sayings altered to what the Ummayad's wanted. That is what created Islam.

Muhammad prayed towards Jerusalem. After Muhammad, they prayed towards the Kaaba. The Kaaba and its god Allah Kaaba were sacred to Muhammad's enemies, the Ummayads. Thus Muhammad never prayed towards Muhammad, but the Ummayads wrote the Quran

[SmartGuy4today]

Even if they did descend from Ishmael. Muhammad descended from Isaac, thus he is not an Arab, but a Jew.

Muhammad wasn't a prophet of Islam. He was a Jew who got killed and had his sayings altered to what the Ummayad's wanted. That is what created Islam.

Muhammad prayed towards Jerusalem. After Muhammad, they prayed towards the Kaaba. The Kaaba and its god Allah Kaaba were sacred to Muhammad's enemies, the Ummayads. Thus Muhammad never prayed towards Alllah, but the Ummayads wrote the Quran.

[Nakdimon316]

Please stop this because you are demonstrating just how little you know of the things you speak. The word Elohim is used for all gods, true or false. It does NOT mean "THE GOD". And the letters IM have absolutely nothing to do with a definite article. Those letters stand for plurality. the definite article in hebrew is "ha", which is always placed before the subject. the term "haElohim" would mean " the God". But all in all, Allah is nothing in Hebrew. Elaha in Aramaic is any deity.

[Nakdimon316]

NO true prophet was ever a muslim. Muhammad was the first prophet of Islam. Prior to muhammad there was no such thing as islam. No one ever heard of the that religion. Allah was a nobody. Face it. there are no historical records EVER in the history of religion that islam ever existed. All you have are the shallow claims of your god and his prophet. I can claim that all prophets, even Muhammad, were jews cuz they all praised God bcuz the Hebrew word "Yehudi" / "jew" means "praise of God".

[micheal74rich]

Here is your God wanted to do fornication in broad daylight, exposing human sexuality into public display, excess of evil.

2 Samuel 12:11

"This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' "

[micheal74rich]

God in Bible in deep sleep and your God is an alcoholic wakes up from hangover.

Psalm 44:23 Awake, O Lord! Why do you sleep? Rouse yourself! Do not reject us forever.Psalm 78:65 Then the Lord awoke as from sleep, as a man wakes from the stupor of wine.

[micheal74rich]

Open public fornication or sleeping attribute of God, would have come from God? God would reveal anything that goes against His nature, please think for your self? Hell no. If God makes someone to do open public fornication in front of mass audience, then what makes Satan differ from God?

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@micheal74rich

THAT IS CORRECT .THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE CHRISTIANS HAVE NOT RED THE ENTIRE BIBLE.IF THEY READ IT ALL,THEY WILL BE SHOCKED OF WHAT THEY WILL FIND THERE

[Nakdimon316]

So what? All Gods are alaha. That word just means god, any god. But that doesnt mean he meant the pagan rock god attatched to the black stone.

And Moses wasnt sent to the Jews because they went astray. He was sent to get them out of bondage of slavery in Egypt. Get your facts straight before you pretend to know something.

[Nakdimon316]

Sorry, all the prophets were Jews, because they all praised God.

That is logical because the Hebrew word Yehudi (Jew) means "one that praises Yahweh". (and NOT Allah)

[YHWHisElohim]

LOCKMAN- If you grant that, on a purely linguistic basis, you also have to grant that being Muslim has nothing to do with following Muhammad, that is to say, Muhammadans do not have a monopoly over the Arabic term "Muslim".