Inside Story - Iran/Israel tensions - 29 Jun 08 - Part 2

[storeylas]

Great job by the Iranian prof. miraandi

[paulalock14]

The University professor from Iran Marandi does a fantastic job exposing the Israeli liar.

[amir105]

THAT TEL AVIV GUY NEEDS TO SHUT UP FUCKING JEW

[johnnyd101]

it hink its very childish of people to say well he(america/isreal) has one why cant I(iran). nuclear prolifiration is not for children it's for serious people so get serious.also is there aljazzera coverage of the wikileaks revelations about saudi arabia asking the us to bomb iran??i am starting to like aljazeera as a news organisation

[Iodun]

That jew knows exacly how long it take's to build a nuclear bomb. If America has nuclear bombs then why are they forbiden other countries to have the same? And if America has used a nuclear bomb then why is it forbiden for other countries to do the same. This is all hypocry: Im allowed and You not !

[VeritasTruthEmet]

get used to it, jews invented the bomb and you invented the suicide bomb. You can have yours they have theirs and if an exchange is needed you can have the glass desert you so desire.

[danielhage]

just so everyone should know, there will be one more war that will happen.. and hezbollah will win it.. actually the whole arabs will win it.. believe it or not, you can say whatever you want... but u will remember this post some time soon, and be like shit, wut he said is true.. just wait and you will see

Peace, Al salamu alaykom, shalom

[rippa17]

beautifully said brother

wa aleykum salaam

[Kelthuzad126]

Arabs never win, never have never will.

[flatronl19190]

Hello, i want to say i served UN in Lebanon , Israel have powerful army in the last war 20,000 smart target in 4 days like the missile to knock on doors only 20% power from there aircraft so tiny state so strong ... more then 200 nukes.

Iran go down i learn the history of jewish them not give anyone to destryed them.

a matter of time when israel attack or nuke iran coz the iranian

intimidate destroyed israel.

jewish ppl say no more holocaust for them now them fight at all costs

[MultiNoface]

Youve served in the UN but you can hardly speak english?

[thestreetdogg]

You say you served UN in Lebanon!!! And? Serving UN could be in many different ways. Such as Translation, food serving, driving etc etc. Based on ur comment no way Intelligence serving. lol.

[Meshick]

The size of a country is a BIG deal 6milions Israel citizens are gonna fight as they did in all wars before IN WICH ISRAEL DID WON > arabs are bunch of fucking primitive clans ruled by brutal rulers that having problem to deal with their own barbarian nations :)

[polygamous1]

haha remember the israeli attack on the USS Liberty? remember israel was losing on all fronts till the syrians stop dead in their trucks when israel threated to nuke damascus n cairo then blakmailed the usa to help them "win" the war us airforced blocked egyptian radars n with israeli colours blew them to hell 1000s of us troops fighting along side israle now u tell us israel won? yes am glad isreai didn't lose they deserve to live in peace like we all do but israel now wants more more more

[Meshick]

What more ? You idiot ! - leave us fucking alone - there is allready 3 palestinian states -> JORDAN ,gaza and eastern side (where PLO sits after they fled from Hamas wich massacred them)

[ghdgdgr]

Even worse for israel is the fact that they would have to have permision from the U.S. to fly over Iraq.And Obama would not let that stand soo if they attempted the U.S. Airforce would shoot them down....Israel is about 20,000 sq. Miles...If israel did us nukes N.A.T.O.- E.U. and U.N. would show that they aren't as power full as they think they are....NOT TO MENTION IRANS ALLICE RUSSIA...And since they are surrounded by muslim nations that really don't like Israel...They want to use fighters

[azz578]

How could Israel bomb Iran without strategic bombers? Israel wouldn't stand a chance against Iran without the US. I mean how wide is Israel? 6 miles? Iran could reduce it to a medieval state in a days. Are the Israelis going to use their nukes?

[bikemech121]

Only one person spoke the truth there and the more discerning of us all know.

[JewsBackstabAmerica]

3:15 narrator : "let me interject here" Looks like another fair and balanced interview from our wonderful Zionist media

[jdspmyr]

all muslims in the world must unite behind tehran sunni , shia whatever iran has assumed the role of the caliph of the muslim world ,we muslims have the richest cultural heritage in the world the shahnama(the book of kings) of firdawsi far outshines the filthy bible with all of its pornography and filth not to mention the glorious quran which is a miracle of miracle of miracles

[maresarbedar]

dr.marandi destroy them all....no one can stand up against the truth.

long live iran

[YvonJrDenis]

From a Canadian

I've seen so many atrocities committed by Israel and very few from Iran. I will make it a devoir to tell all of my fellow Canadians about how Israel is killing innocent people till I see them stop the massacres they are doing. Hopefully this will help my people see the truth. Peace to all but I just can't see it happening because I feel that Israel does not want it.

[bigmedge]

you've seen a lot more atrocities from iran, you just don't realize it. In the 1980s, when they were at war with iraq, the government executed much of their domestic political opposition, anywhere from 100-200,000 people, under the convenient guise of "they're subversives who support iraq." to this day, thousands of dissidents are murdered in iran's prisons. israel did in gaza the same thing england did in WWII - when the germans bombed the brits, the brits bombed them back 100x harder

[YvonJrDenis]

I do not doubt your words Bigmedge I was just wishing some opposition to the real evil of our world but after looking at hundreds of videos about Iran, I can see that the Iranian people have been deceived (like everybody else) buy the power freaks that are really responsible for all of are problems. (the bankers and their corporations). If only the world would open their eye and stop feeding the money system. Then we just might have a chance at real peace. Google " Zeitgeist "

[sheshe670]

long live iranian defenders .brothers defend your country with all you have like what i do.

long live peace.

long live my parents.

iran for ever in peace.

[storeylas]

The guy Ranaan Gissen was wiped out by Seyed Mohammad Marandi.

[darksavior354]

jews are children killers

[allexbratson]

Persians forever!

[jimiydoorshamelech]

allex- look how persians suffer The 2007 Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index out of 179 countries(1 being least corrupt USA-- 20/179 Israel-- 30/179 Iran -- 139/179 HDI (Standard of Living) 15▼ (3) US ▼ 0.950 24▼ (1) Israel▼ 0.930 84▲ (10) Iran ▲ 0.777 According to 'Reporters Without Borders' 2007 Iran ranks as number 166 out of 169 ctrys

[bedevere007]

Nice video

[metofski]

Firstly, Iran has no problem with Jews, as one of the only Muslim countries having a good reputation with other religions and ideologies...Secondly, Israel is having problem with ALL the religions in the world, except Jews for the time being in order to conceal their horrific faces behind it...One day even this MF Zionist regime in the occupied Palestine will stand against Jews and Christians!...Then you will see its big bro USA is F uped unaware of wat was going on! Good Luck USA!

[jimiydoorshamelech]

Israel has a problem with all religions? Dont they keep all the holy sites immaculate and let people of all faith visit? When Jordan was in control they shit and pissed all over Jewish graves and desecrated holy site and didnt let Jews in

[Zionyy]

LOL idiot.

israel is the only country in the region thet have freedom of religion in it..

even after israel take over the Temple Mount in jerusalem thet is the most holy place in the world for jews (and only the third most holy for muslims) she gave the rule in the place to a muslim council (thet after this destroy all jewish archeology in the site)

so WTF are you talking about???

[oct1984]

does anyone see the map! or these people in two government totally divorced from any realty . , if israel and her big brother do commit there crazy self's committed uncalculated crime , so Iran have every right to strike back hard very hard. (is not a dream what Iran can and would do )

and am American republican and can see the right and wrong.,we are highly paying for these wars just to protect very small crazy Jew's . i can tell you is not worth it and many here think the same .

[JossyHadash]

@oct1984 are you a coward? How unamerican! should't you defend liberty and justice for all? or are you too fattened sitting in your capitalist ass chair all day eating chips and bitch about others? true american heroes like you (great- ( grand))fathers fought in world war 1 and 2 , and various other places so people could live freely without colonialism, terrorism or occupation. Now u want Iran to control all muslim states and inflict terorrist surpression? They're helping AlQuida & Hizbollah.

[emmet31]

@JossyHadash you fucking retard, iran helping al quida? they'd rather eat their own shit, do a bit of study 4b ya come on here talking shit, unlike the usa iran doesn't interfear with other nations and have never attacked another nation either, if iran becomes a nuclear armed nation the zionist dream can't continue, isreal can't steal land anymore and thats as simple as it is. also if iran wanted to level tel avi it all ready has enough missiles to do it with out needing a nuke.

[SaeedBaba]

I am not sure I understand what the Israeli guy is saying about some years ago the largest CIA organization was in Iran...

Is he saying US removed Shah of Iran?

[madhavan84]

no.. usa had a atation in iran to support afghans to fight against soviets... they withdre after shah was removed, i believe... or may be i'm wrong too..

[wrldeye12]

Like Canada is bilingual with French and English, Israel is with Hebrew and Arabic.

Strange for an 'apartheid racist' state, no?

When asked if they would rather live in an Arabic/Muslim country vs. Israel, Israeli Arabs overwhelmingly chose Israel. Strange, again.

Israel is simply the Jew among nations, subject to the same bigotry and immoral hatred as Jewish communities for the last millenia have been.

Zionism is beautiful.

[storeylas]

zoinism=a chosen people=unequal rights for non jews=Palestinians treated like animals=racism of the worst kind

[shookss]

zionizm = patriotizm

[storeylas]

I think the points that the Iranian guest (Seyed Mohammad Marandi) makes are completely accurate. It is pathetic that the west supports zionism which is a racist ideology.

[omen619]

I say let Israel strike Iran so the Israelis get their asses handed to them. I will not loose any sleep over it. I for got I'm a America vet of two wars.

God bless America.

[amasomah]

The Israeli guy talks like a republican!!!

[omen619]

maybe they are the same. mmmmm.......

[naseinso]

no more wars!!

let the iranians live in peace. you fucking mob looking criminal!

[bemaniac2]

i so agree with you. I dont understand the whole support of israel, they are always the ones attacking everyone else!

[an1792]

dont worry the war with iran is not easy.

[reyy619]

agreed..if israel attacked iran it would be the last of israel.

[jimiydoorshamelech]

reyy619 what would you do

If one day, the Islamic world is also equipped with weapons like those that Israel possesses now, then the imperialists' strategy will reach a standstill because the use of even one nuclear bomb inside Israel will destroy everything. However, it will only harm the Islamic world. It is not irrational to contemplate such an eventuality. (December 2001)[31] (Hashemi Rafsanjani, former President of Iran, Currently on expediency council of Iran, Considered a Moderate)

[Peraj82]

Dont think Israel is just that small occupide territory.

They are rulling the world by corrupting the regims in all around the world

Wait for another World War in the benefit of Israel

[TheguardianofIran]

thank u

[BenJB07]

88a: LEARN YOUR HISTORY! go dig anywhere in Israel (yea, I emphasize ISRAEL) and you will find hebrew, not arabic. There is absolutely no reason why Palestinians need that whole strip of land. Israel has offered the Palestinians their own state with its capitol in Jerusalem 5 times in history. the palestinians refused peace, not Israel. and yet, not once did the world cry out when Gaza and the West bank was controlled by Jordan and Egypt. stop the lies.

[cubeprisioner8]

Yes learn the history!

Listen to Ben Freedman's 1961 speech at the Willard hotel in NYC. He will explain how Israel was formed. The Jews control the world from Israel. Iran will not play the Jews game and supports the Palestinians. They are selling their oil in Euros and this is destroying the Federal reserves money tree (Jewish owned). Iran must be "persuaded" in to selling oil in American dollars again or we will see a collapse of the American dollar.

[conjodidi]

i want you to be the leader of this world. you are so damn smart. what a visionair u are

[88a]

Palestine are the rightful ppl of their land usurped by isrealies 60 years ago! palestine ancestors are the canon the old name Jews are the thieves no matter how u want to put it otherwise!

[lally2hang]

OMD !!!

Enola gay, you should have stayed at home yesterday

Aha words cant describe the feeling and the way you lied

These games you play, theyre gonna end it more than tears someday

Aha enola gay, it shouldnt ever have to end this way

Its 8:15, and thats the time that its always been

We got your message on the radio, conditions normal and youre coming home

[dragonrasp]

Israel has trashed it's public image. I think having the US military over there has allowed Israel the freedom to relax and let their true character show.

When the United States is finnished taking over all the Arab countries in the Middle East, who do you think they will pick next?

Or do you believe they will allow a large jewish military presence to exist beside their precious oil taps?

Israel would be smarter to ally with the arabs to push the USA out. Stupid jews.

[vistavision2]

dragonrasp, what it has done is place USA in a situation without options: its a do or die (implosion of its global governance, e.g., sphere of influence) of resolving the Israel-palestine conflict.

USA had preeminence becasue it was viewed as a human rights defender.

The states that committ/sponsors Crimes Against Humanity in UNGA 181 Palestine deserve neither peace nor security: The rightful heir to the blessing of God Almighty is the defender of Human Rights.

[saulboyjt]

Iran is an evil dictatorship.

Israel will kick its ass if it wont stop messing around.

Israel forver!

[dragonrasp]

Actually, this is what iran should do. Publicly state it does not want a war. It does not want to be attacked. If it is attacked it will launch all missiles at random targets in Europe and Asia. These countries also do not wish to be attacked so our attack of them is only to force the world to pay attention to this non-sense and stop the American conquerers.

If they tell us all the missiles are pointed at Israel, it's going to be aweful easy to shoot them all down. We practice that alot.

[dragonrasp]

And who is going to conquere Russia to grab him? Unless the Russians decide themselves to do something it will be forgotten.

North Korea is one of the most perfect examples of the dilema with international law.

Kim Jong Il is a spoiled brat 2nd generation dictator who has international temper tantrums and attention seeking. BUT he has a military that WILL do actual damage to the USA and it's allies if there is a war. So the world HAS to tollerate the punk.

[dragonrasp]

Even the U.S soldiers in Iraq believed they were being sent there for freedom and liberty.

I guess it just doesn't get them in the fighting spirit if you tell them we need to secure an oil pipeline in Afghanistan and then conquer Iraq to justify the retarded amount of money we spend each year on military. (And fix a dictator who wasn't behaving in trade talks.)

Did you know Mommar Qadafi whos son was killed by American bombing donated money to the U.S flood relief?

He knows the rules now.

[dragonrasp]

"International law" is a joke. ~electango

He's right. It is a joke. Only a few years abck India committed genocide on a small resource rich island to it's south. The west found out after the fact. What are they going to do? India is our firend and trading partner. Our economies are linked in many ways. So India shared the resources and the whole thing was erased from history.

Vistavision2, people don't play by the rules. The USA finds excuses to invade places they want to attack. That is truth.

[silversspring]

Israel sucks man.

[dragonrasp]

Although I do remember being a child and seeing everyhting say "made in Korea" then "Made in China" and lately a small shift to "Made in Pakistan." (I guess the emerging Chinese super power has us moving our crap work towards the middle East.)

After Pakistan gets some dignity we will need a backwater craphole like the middle East to make our t-shirts and dollar store junk for the next hundred years. Canada doesn't need your oil. We have more than the entire Middle East. :)

[dragonrasp]

Pay attention to the entire world not just the middle east. After the USSR collapse the USA decided HUGE military and become the ONLY dominant power. The problem is nobody ever pulls that off completely. The rivals atm are the EU and China. Russia wants in NATO. The Russian solution to world war was to just be friends with the Americans.

Right now Mid East oil and lack of military technology make that whole region the worlds wipping boy. Stop hating each other and unite or be the worlds slaves.

[dragonrasp]

It really doesn't matter who has the right to the land, all that matters is what is.

And what "is" at the moment is a whole bunch of armed jews dumped into a pile of armed arabs. Like taking a shovel of ants from one hill and dumping it on a hill of another color. Even if one side could prove beyond doubt that they had rights to the land, nobody is going to just pack up and leave.

What is.

Both civilizations are looking like garbage internationally. Both are weak. You had best learn that soon.

[dragonrasp]

Yes, I am 32 years old and I think this way. Why? My parents raised me to not be racist. My best friend growing up was from India. I have dated women of several races and married an asian girl even. I used to shake my head and say "What ignorance" when I saw people make all ecompassing remarks about races.

But growing up I met many arabic people (Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Palastine, Saudi, Egypt) to name the most common. These people are not like other races. They are angry and evil.

[dadecountyhustler305]

Iran is the last front of the war on terror

[electango]

You're right on the money. Why does the US Govt send America's sons and daughters into battle when it won't admit that Iran is the ultimate end game.

[dragonrasp]

Arab militants have no morals when they take prisoners, so why should we treat them according to a moral code? We in the west do not view Israel as a victim but as a part of the problem.

I personally believe that genocide of the Arabic races would make the world a safer place. Unfortunately Israel has been exposed to the Arabs for so long that they have become no different. In the end both Arabs and Israeli's will all die.

[persia20005]

i feel sad for you as a human when i read the mind of people trough the comments.your 32 year and this is really how you educate yourself in your life time? ,at least you should know that there is a BIG difference between iranians and arabs,you dont know shit dude..and your wrong about at the end both arabs and israel will die. the us and israel are slowly exposed to the world. there word is nothing worth anymore,all the plans behind there acts,internet expose it to the world,game over

[johny8122311]

its really funny that they are trying to make iran the victim,they hang their own children in the streets,stone woman,censor the internet,lie to their own poeple,spread hate idioligies,support terror all over the world,iran the the main banker of terror.

i hope iranian people and opposition from the inside will fight this black governmet.

[johny8122311]

the iranian guy looks and talks gay,iran thinks every one are stupid,and they are playing games,games that will backfire on them,time after time we learned not to fuck with israel,even the iranian people hate their governmet so think about the world,iran today is the most hated country in the world.

[88a]

johny: U sound all Jewish biased?

[vistavision2]

Gisson actually states a clear analysis: It is not the State of Israel that is the problem but the Likud regime that is in systemic contravention to International Law that qualifies as Crimes Against Humanity.

How is Likud regime checked and removed without war?

International War Crimes Tribunals for the Israel political/military leadership, IDF service personnel, and settlers.

[fightIslamicCensore1]

Right now Likud is in the opposition.

[vistavision2]

All empires implode when their external and internal security requirements exceed their economic base of sustainability as USSR case is 1990 example

Empire expansion is predicated on warfare to expand the geographical base of exploitation to maintain economic engine of the empire and most importantly based on empire's political leadership being geographically out-of-reach of the local resistence

Global community the geo-graphical parameters are finite as 911 is self-evident

Attrition!

[inder19852000]

President bush claimed that iraq had weapons of mass destruction,which was an utter lie.The iranian professor clearly put his points through

[krossco]

wow shits going down somebodies gonna get a hurt really bad

[dragonrasp]

It's deeper than that. Militant arab dictators have the potential to develope weapons systems capable of reaching North American soil. This cannot be allowed. In truth Israel is sort of like that orphanage that gets caught in the crossfire. If the Middle East is not conquered and puppet governments installed now, trying to clean this mess in the future will likely require nuclear weapons. Our forces are there now, lets get it done. GG Iran.

[ODDMANtheone]

There are so many things wrong with that statement.

[NOCONSIENCE]

the Americans may know this but US was a proxy of Isreal in the War in Iraq!!! Objective met!!! US got their OIL too also as Iraq is now occupied by US means that Israel has a Defence Buffer in an event of a war....

so America should wiseup dont let the blood of American soldiers be used by Israel again!!!

[msvf2]

Much prefer the Iranian "oppression" to American imposed "democracy" in Iraq and Afghanistan. ROFL "imposed democracy".

[88a]

WHAT A COMEDY PLAY IS THIS??????

[vistavision2]

It is a tragic comedy where the zionists think that the USA is their proxy and zionism objective is still the same: Genocide of Palestinians- land grab.

USA interests are not synonomous with Israeli interests.

Wars of agression have the tendency to bankrupt nations!

USA doesn't have a sponsor to give it a billion for every million of its citizens as USA gives to Israel.

[electango]

The Palestinians have one of the highest birth rates on earth and the population of Palestinians is at an all time high. Where is the genocide? Hint: buy yourself a dictionary so you can know the meanings of the words you choose to use.

[ODDMANtheone]

I agree. Better words would be state terrorism, collective punishment and bullying.

[electango]

No. Better words are national defense, from murderers who TARGET innocent civilians.

[vistavision2]

Genocide is a legal term: look up Genocide Convention which like every crime has four degrees.

Direct: Know WTF your talking before opening your trap!

[electango]

No, pal, genocide isn't a legal term. Genocide is a word with a specific meaning when used in common conversation. This is not a courtroom and we are not working here as lawyers. The only people trying to commit genocide in Palestine are Hamas and Fatah who are trying to ethnically cleanse Israelis from the region. That's what happened in Gaza. If you were truly against genocide, you would defend the right of the Jewish people to live in the homeland of the Jewish people.

[vistavision2]

electango, every word has origins; therefore its definition; otherwise every word could be substituted for any word.

Words are the means to express ideas.

Tribe of Israel; nor zionists; neither Ashkenazim are NOT Tribe of Judah!

The "Jewish Homeland" is demaracted in UNGA 181 Part II Boundaries of which I defend and condemn State of Israel occupation of UNGA 181State of Palestine.

Since when is Crimes Against Humanity acceptable?

or do you grunt to communicate?

[ultbeatlesfan]

There is a war going on in the Eastern Mediterranean area. Israel is under seige by Iranian and Saudi funded armed forces, namely Hamas and Hezballah. Israel has the right to defend her people. In your view, obviously, Israel (unlike other nations) should just sit back and allow enemy nations to blast her with offensive weaponry. This won't happen. No matter what the obsessively anti Israel UN says or does. Why do you classify national self defense as a Crime Against Humanity?

[vistavision2]

ultbeatlefan, why? murder, torture, deportations, collective punishment, in connection with War Crimes (importation of it citizens- IV Geneva article 49) of political persecution of the Palestinian people t o disposses them from their UNGA 181 State of Palestine territory are Crimes Against Humanity.

Israel is militarily occupying State of Palestine.

If national defense, then why steal lands and import it citizens to the lands of a foriegn country?

Look it up: Principles of Nuremberg.

[electango]

People move around the globe, not from other countries to Israel alone, but also from Israel to other countries. People move from country to country all the time--it's called migration. Is migration a crime? Israel seized the West Bank when it defeated Jordan in 1967. Nations are apt to lose territory when they engage in warfare and lose. Jordan didn't have to enter the 67 War but they did and they paid the price. There is, and never has been a State of Palestine so UNGA 181 is not valid.

[vistavision2]

Electango,

IV Geneva III Article 49, importation of citizens into an occupied country are War Crimes.

UN carved Israel out of pre-existent State of Palestine with UNGA 181 which is the soruce of both states sovereignty: Israel own declaration of indepedence refers to UNGA 181.

UN purpose and prinicples is "indamissiability of acquisition of territory through war": Jordan's, Egypt's, and Israel's attempts at annexation is unlawful- War Crimes.

[electango]

There has never been a State of Palestine. The Ottoman Turks ruled the Eastern Mediterranean for centuries and then there was the League of Nations British Mandate. Out of the British Mandate came the State of Israel. You are making a State of Palestine out of whole cloth and so, your whole argument is invalid. People immigrate and emigrate all the time. Moving between nations and or continents has gone on since the beginning of time.

[vistavision2]

Electango, LON mandate is terminology of the era for Trusteeship Territory.

Your have sovereign powers and territorial integrity confused.

State of Palestine under LON had territorial integrity (borders) but its soveregn powers in Trusteeship by the LON and assigned to UK as Administrator.

UNGA 181: UN assumed Trusteeship obligation; partitioned sovereignty into two states(Part II Borders- demarcated); UNGA 273 recognition Israel state sovereign powers,e.g., self-administration.

[vistavision2]

do you think that soveriegnty evaporates into the heavens just because of war?

War is not unlawful but governed by Laws of war

case Example: USA had Iraqi sovereign powers in Trust as occupuying power as does Israel.

1. whereas, Israel is plundering (stealing) land and importing its citizens as govt program like the NAZI's did.

2. USA handed some soveriegn powers to Iraq transitional government.

3. Sovereign powers (self-administration): have two aspects domestic and foreign.

[electango]

Assume for the argument's sake that such a State of Palestine ever existed, then the 1948attack on Israel by Egypt and Syria violated the territorial integrity of Israel. Israel now holds most of the British Mandate area. And the Palestinians refuse to sit down with the Israelis in good faith to negotiate a fair settlement. No, the Palestinians only will accept the dissolution of the State of Israel. Seems like noone pays much attention to UN resolutions.

[vistavision2]

Electango.

How the violence began: 1948 Jerwish Agency attacked UK Trust Administrators by bombing their headquarters at the King David hotel.

Why would Jewish leadership attack the power that was responsible for the maintence of peace bewteen jews and arabs?

Thereafter, Arabs STATES did attack. Durign the conflict the Jewish Stern's [future PM] Begin assasinated UN Mediator.

Why murder the UN Mediator?

All: Israel, Egypt, & Jordan had territorial ambitions- land grabs.

[vistavision2]

Regardless, just becasue thieves fight among themselves does not legitimize their claims to property [real properety of private and Public lands- territory of UNGA 181 State of Palestine] that belongs to Palestinians

Extremists on both sides attempt to abrogate UNGA 181 on fallacious basis that it would open the entire two states territories into a single state without the other people

[vistavision2]

Trust: UN Community's international law UNGA 181 obligations are specified in its Charter purposed and principles, specifically Article 81 vis-a-vis the people of Palestine

Hence, there is no lawful negotiated settlement that would contravene UNGA 181 option other than negotiated modality for all parties to comply with international law.

For that premise of UNGA 181 abrogation to be valid:

1. Require dissolution of the UN itself;

[vistavision2]

2. UN Charter does not have a clause for vacating membership;

3. would require a World War III, e.g., destruction of all international law- thus the borders of every country would be open for negotiation based on military power alone

4. Israel and Palestine are the only two states in the world community where there borders are an act of UN organization, of UN Trusteeship itself.

[vistavision2]

5. Does the statement [Bush 43]"UN is irrelevant" ring a bell; Yet, UN Resolutions and systemic contravention by Saddam were reasons applied to invade Iraq

6. Does the prophecy "seek to change the laws and the times" ring a bell?

[vistavision2]

6.1. Attempts to Change International Law of codified human ethicity to lawlessness (irrelevancy/ dissolution of UN) and times to medievel times of continual warfare: acquire wealth/lands of other peoples- pillage, plunder, genocide- where sword dictates borders which are fluid as opposed to static of nation-states

[ultbeatlesfan]

The violence began in the 19th century because Muslims regard Jews as second class citizens and think that Muslims should control things politically and militarily. When Jews began to immigrate from Poland and Russia, the Muslims reacted violently. For what it's worth, the violence began over a hundred years ago and it was started by the Muslims. The Arab States attack on Israel had nothing to do with the assassination of any UN officials killed by Jewish patriots.

[ultbeatlesfan]

The West Bank should return to Jordanian rule and Gaza should return to Egyptian rule. The Palestinians have proven themselves time and time again to be incapable of governing themselves. So West Bankers becoming Jordanians and Gazans becoming Egyptians both with full citizenship is the only solution that works. It's the only solution that will enable the Palestinians to get on with their lives and put an end to the insanity that Hamas and Fatah have brought to the Palestinians.

[vistavision2]

ultbeatlsfan, what you propose contravenes UN Charter Article 81.

The UN international community may not abrogate its obligations to the people UNGA 181 State of Palestine Trusteeship Territory.

The insanity is a result of UN community and Israel holding onto a delusion that any other avenue exists other than fulfillment of international law treaty obligations by UN itself, UN membership, and Israel- compliance with UNSC 242 and UNGA 181.

[electango]

The Palestinians themselves have always been made up of groups of militias who fight the Israelis when they are not busy fighting each other. World governmental treaty obligations won't change this. Face it, the Palestinians are incapable of governing themselves. The only workable solution is to return West Bank to Jordan and WestBankers to Jordanian citizenship and return Gaza to Egypt and absorption of Gazans into Egypt as full citizens. Anything else just continues the murderous insanity.

[vistavision2]

electango,

Whats the purpose of the Rule of Law if it can be disregarded, abrogated, or unilaterlly modified on whims?

Why to you think they're called Trusteeship Territories? A Trust!

USA has governance Trust obligations as the occupying power in Iraq: therefore cannot break up Iraq unilaterally

Israelis have had the same Laws of Armed Conflcit Trust obligations for the last 21 years

Therefore, occupying powers cannot annex or carve up the states they occupy

[vistavision2]

International law is contractual law between states (agencies of governance of peoples).

International Community of Nations has had those Trust obligations for 61 years as the UN and if LON Trust is included 84 years: contractual law that cannot be dissolved without dissolving all the nation-states simulataneously- fall of mankind.

National interests are in direct conflict; but it is the purpose of the UN to promote it's purposes and principles as agents for the peoples of the world

[electango]

The Rule of Law, a Western concept, is not accepted by the Palestinians. The Palestinians follow Islamic Law, which rejects the national aspirations of the Jewish people in Israel. In fact, Arafat declared the Palestinian Authority an Islamic State. You expect Israel to abide by rules which the Palestinians won't follow and since these two are at war, the rules of engagement are different than your utopian vision. The reality is, in the Arab World, the Rule of Law is irrelevant.

[vistavision2]

electango, Rule of Law is not a "western concept" but a Chinese, India, and Middle East origen and diffusion.

Spanish Inquisition vis-a-vis Jews and Muslims is the origin for state sanctioned murder, pillage, and plunder of personal/real property under the guise of war

which NAZI/Hilter copied

Rule of engagement MUST comnly with Laws of Armed Conflict: Contravention/violations are War Crimes.

How can yuu claim Rule of Law as a premise in the first sentence and in the last deny it?

[vistavision2]

There are Christian Palestinians- The tomb of Holy Sepulchre is still owned by same family that offered Jesus' family the use for the burial of the Nazerene

zionism applies the NAZI doctrine

Utopian? the only utopian idiots are those that think that war can be outlawed or believe in the rapture

War is not unlawful: LOAC regulates warfare. Again contravention/ violations to LOAC are War Crimes.

Purpose of Laws of War/War Crimes Tribunals is accountability: deterrence

[vistavision2]

Again why doesn't Israel establish War Crime Tribunals?

if USA, Europe, and Israel are so Rule of Law conscience then Establish War Crimes Tribunals at the Hague for the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

[electango]

The Palestinian Authority, an Islamic pseudo-state, works to ethnically cleanse the Jewish people from the Land of Israel. Under the Palestinian Authority, a Jewish State in land once ruled by Muslims is illegal. Hence, the Rule of Law which you have advocated, is at odds with Islamic Law. Before any real, long term settlement of the Arab Israeli conflict can be realized, the Palestinians must genuinely accept the Rule of Law and must reject the exclusionary, discriminatory Islamic Law.

[vistavision2]

electango,

1. the word "pseudo" cannot be applied in the context of international law.

2. PA is more like the NAZI Jewish Authority that worked to sent the Jews to death camps.

3. the PA is a [Geneva Convention] civil defense corpus.

4. PA is a subsidary agency of the PLO which is secular

5. PLO has provisional sovereign powers assigned to it with UNGA 3236

6. Therefore, your PA premise of Islamic Law is ludicrous and self-evident of you ignorance of the poltical situation

[vistavision2]

Electango,

Reiterate: Why don't the Europe, USA, Israel and push to establish a War Crimes Tribunal at the International Criminal Court for the Israel-Palestine conflict as it was established for balkans and rwanda?

I'm 100% in favor of a Israel-Palestine conflcit War Crimes Tribunal to enforce Laws of Armed Conflict.

LOAC: governs armed conflicts.

if terrorism is such a violation of LOAC, then an International War Crimes Tribunal would prosecute violaters.

[88a]

Vista: in short Zionists, Jews & Hebrews and all those ppl who follow the Egyptian Pharoh are criminals rite and gangsters rite?

[vistavision2]

88a, you lost me!

[88a]

Vista: Yeah man I lost u! what r u trying to convey? I know its good and it appeals me but what exactly u trying to say?

[vistavision2]

International law is contractual law. On Israel-Palestine issue

1. sovereignty: where did it originate?- A: UNGA 181; A state cannot have territorial integrity unless its borders are recognized.

2. Borders: Israel was admitted to UN with UNGA 273 which records Israel UN Charter olbigations, including UNGA 181 State of Palestine; Borders are recognized by israel and UN Community with UNGA 273.

3 Self-defense becomes agression at the point of the borders: Israel occupies Palestine

[vistavision2]

4. UNSC 242 mandates Israel complaince with Armistice which is a Israel-UN agreement.

5. State of War: War is not illegal; it is regulated by LOAC. Lets apply LOAC to both Israel and Palestine equally.

6 War Crimes are not committed by governments but by INDIVIDUAL persons.

7 Lets Establish War Crimes Tribunals to hold accountable violations of LOAC in Israel-Palestine conflict.

8 Arm yourself when they attempt to outlaw war: Recourse to war only means of self-defense from despots

[vistavision2]

9. Why do all zionists attempt to make it a religious conflict or a Israel- Arab conflict as if it was a single international state of United States of Middle East vs israel.

10. Or that demand that Rule of international law apply to Palestinians but but deny that it applies to Israel? While simutaneously claiming that they are guardians of International law?

11. For all that academia of the west, I find it quite suspect that every state seems to have lost their copy the UN Charter, etc

[electango]

Ludicrous? When Arafat, despotic ruler of the PLO, declared the PA an Islamic State, that meant nothing? Let's get real here. Islamic Law is the law of the land in Gaza and West Bank even if elements of secularism vie for control. You ask Israel to abide by democratic Western ideals while allowing the Palestinians to live by fascism. It makes for a very unfair fight and it won't work. Regardless of how world governmental bureaucrats cowed by the Saudis see things.

[vistavision2]

Arafat,

1. Never declared the PA an "islamic state";

2. The PA controls NOT one square inche of Paletinian territory; nor can the PA do anthing unless IDF approves it.

3. I'm stating ONE RULE OF LAW applicable to both peoples: set up a International War Crimes Tribunal to specifically prosecute violations/contravention to Laws of Armed Conflict resulting from the Israel-palestine conflict.

You contest ONE Rule of Law for both parties? You contest appyling LOAC to Palestinians?

[electango]

The Nuremburg Tribunals applied "international law" to Nazi bureaucrats but not to the Communist bureaucrats responsible for killing millions in government induced famines in the USSR or in the purges. Why not?  Because "international law" doesn't apply to governments in power. Only to defeated regimes. Arafat's militias killed thousands in Lebanon, Jordan and Israel and was never brought to justice. Why? Because noone wanted to upset the Saudis. "International law" is a joke.

[vistavision2]

Electango, the issue is not past conflicts but the present conflict, specically the Israel-Palestine conflict.

The issue is not dead leaders acts but present leaders acts.

State you position:

Do you AGREE that ONE Rule of Law should be applied in the context of International War Crimes Tribunals specifically for holding accountable Israelis and Palestinian for contravention/violations of Laws of Armed Conflict.

Or to CONTEST the equitable application of LOAC?

[vistavision2]

Electango, Answer this and do not wander off into abysss of propaganda nor the wilderness of convulting the issue.

Answer it in a clear and direct manner.

If Israel's and USA claims are factual that terrorism is a violation of LOAC then why do they not push for said International War Crimes Tribunal to specifically hold accountable persons in the Israel-Palestine conflict for War Crimes?

[electango]

Any proposed world legal frameworks such as LOAC would need to be objectively applied and that won't happen. Look at how the existing UN frameworks have been applied to the conflict. TOTALLY biased in favor of the Arabs while the UN did nothing to help the Rwandan, Cambodian, Chechen, and Sudanese victims of state sponsored genocide. Because the Arab money pushes the anti Israel UN agenda. International law used to bully Israel at the expense of victims of true genocide. It's shameful.

[vistavision2]

electango,

Either you affirm or contest International War Crimes Tribunals: based on its own merit- holding political/military leadership accountable is the only deterrence to future War Crimes

You and I are NOT presidents of any country; that what you an I agree on is going to make any difference

We are discussing merit of International Law, specifically ONE Rule of Law for both belligerents Israel-Palestine

Serbia, Rwanda, Iraq is a good direction: Israel-Palestine & Sudan

[vistavision2]

your argument if applied to civil law:

1. drunk driving laws did not prevent all deaths to date so why pass it?

2. consumer laws did not protect all deaths to date so why pass it?

3. etc.

Laws are for deterrence of future acts by holding present persons accountable.

How many murders were prevented by laws? I'll tell you: none. CSI- person accountable; Tribunal- judtice to victim; and establish parameters community members

so should the act of murder be removed from the laws?

[electango]

International law gets very bogged down when applied to facts on the ground. To wit, the Chinese Military Dictatorship has sponsored the killing of millions in Cambodia and Sudan. Do you believe Chinese leaders will be put on trial? Who is going to arrest Vladimir Putin for the Chechnya genocide? It's easy to pick on little guys, like the Serbs, but for international law to work it has to be truly universal. As long as it's so selectively applied, noone will ever take it seriously.

[vistavision2]

electango, why go into the wilderness of generalizations all over world?

Do you sincerely believe that 60 years of humanities problems may be addressed in 500 characters and solve them?

National intelligence estimates: you get one page to communicate effectively

its never the system; always the fools

Founding fathers were alone in the world with only their spirituality, intellectuality, and fortitude as allies and committment to comfort themselves.

You can't committ to one issue

[vistavision2]

Do you think

1. Its magic that builds, protects, or defends poltical societies?

2. they are built overnight?

3. Because it is difficult that it should not be attempted?

4. pessimists live in the past; idealists live in the delusion; re-actionaries live puppets of the actionaries.

5. The visionary that identifies what the state of existince is and what it should be; The statesperson is pragmatist that secures his goals within the parameters of humankind ethicity.

[electango]

The reason US laws are successful(assuming they are), is because they are enforced. The US has massive law enforcement operations, military included. For international law to succeed, all politicians including Chinese, Russian, and American officials would have to be held accountable if they violate international laws. At this point, there is no international law enforcement capable of holding those responsible for major genocides accountable (Chinese, Russian and US).

[vistavision2]

electango,

USA laws do not apply anywhere but in the USA.

However, because USA PAST leadership understood that diplomatic avenues of formulating and instituting (UN, Geneva. etc) international law was the means to secure international semblance of stability that was to USA best interests having learned from the disaster of the League of Nations dissolution triggered a World War without its participation.

[vistavision2]

Roosevelt & Churchill, being statesmen, understood that global governance is not a unilateral mandate nor that it ever become a unilateral mandate; thus the big five.

Maturity is recognizing when help is needed and help should be given: experience because of WWII itself.

UN impotent because Bfive fail to recognize UN Charter is the means to secure a semblance of international peace/security for ALL states: secures peace for themselves- forgotten war is respective homeland

[electango]

International law doesn't apply to the main actors in world politics. Therefore, international law is hot air. For example, Russian genocide in Chechnya led to the wholesale slaughter of 200,000 Chechens. Will Vladimir Putin be put on trial for his part in the "war crime?" Of course not. Why? Because there is no international law enforcement unless the actors involved are small time players, like the Serbs. The Russians, the Chinese, or the Americans won't be part of the process ever.

[88a]

Vista: YES Mate very rightly put! But one way or the other WAR IS Envitable and there would be blood shed! America has sponsor which is the Ferderal Reserve!They can print as many notes as they wish! Isreal wants to be the ruler of world the Greater Isreal concept mate!

[vistavision2]

88a,

Likud leadership think they're genious' in cloaking their forign policy with a propagated religious prophecy.

In fact Rev 9:3 identifies the zionists as these false pretenders.

UNGA 181 fulfills the blessing of Noah (Gen 9:27) of Ashkenazim dwelling in Pelesheth and Canaan (merchant nation, e.g., USA) being thier servant.

Empires implode when they exceed balance of military control and compliant vassals because their affinity is not based on symbiosys but survivability.

[teemuruskeepaa]

Mass media never makes whole debates. They always say sorry to interrupt, but it is intentional prevent politics from happening. Like everything the bourgeois culture, it is hypocritical and deceiptful

[Alijawaad]

Iran = freedom from oppression for everybody!

[jerkinp]

Iran regime is oppressive so it does not represent freedom from oppression. But it does represent opposition to United States of America's hegemony over the World and specifically in the oil rich region of the Middle East.

[Alijawaad]

Iran regime is not oppressive my friend, it prevents the government from being infiltrated by zionists and corrupt people who will sell out the country by the blink of an eye, like the shah.

[msvf2]

Much prefer the Iranian "oppression" to American imposed "democracy" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[delaguer]

Great discussion there. Thanks AlJazeera!