Most Evil - Psychotic Killers - Part 1 of 5

[suguredcandy557]

Most killers actually are psychotic, and for that we can't blame them. It would be like blaming a blind person for not being able to see. They can't help it. While killing people isn't one of humanities best qualities, it's people like Ed who are driven by mental disease who we can feel sorry for, not stupid girls driven by jealousy for stealing a boyfriend or whatever.

[ifrit1780]

dead mother, and bring mother back.. Sephiroth?

[bgre4011]

it puts the lotion on its skin

[xnewtime]

@bgre4011 Great book, good movie

[lilithdeswan]

The ranking was the best part of this. I have knon it, but its good to see how it works with real cases !

[torievictoria]

I've read about the scale this Stone guy uses and I think it's really flawed. He gives a 5 to the "traumatized, desperate and genuinely remorseful" who kill their long-time abusers but ranks "jealous lovers" who commit murder at a 2. Higher numbers go to people who show symptoms of psychosis, when you'd think a mental illness severe enough to have someone obeying voices from beyond the grave would make them *less* responsible for their actions, not more. Am I the only one who finds fault here?

[torievictoria]

clarification: When I say psychosis gets someone a higher ranking, I mean higher than someone like the jealous lover -- I know the show says being mentally ill makes a person less responsible. It just seems to give impulsiveness more weight as a mitigating factor than chronic mental illness or abuse, and I think that's wrong. It's too influenced by how 'gross' the act seems. Cutting up a victim's body may be more disturbing than hiding it, but that's not the same as "evil".

[JadeFroggy]

@torievictoria yeah, i dont really agree with his "scale" - ed gein wasn't evil, he was clearly mentally ill. im not that comfortable with him calling it a scale of "evil", because it dehumanizes the situation. saying someone committed murder because they're evil gives them something of an excuse right there. i think it would be more beneficial to examine murderers as humans instead of labelling them as evil - perhaps one day we could do more to prevent or predict murderous behavior

[punksoab]

@torievictoria Agreed. He needs to check his overall scale and appropriately order them. Granted Narcissism and Dependent Personality Disorder are disorders, they don't effect a person's ability to distinguish right from wrong. Schizophrenia and Schizoid personality disorder does.

[DJJayD33]

@torievictoria

true but he is using the person as whole not taking any kind of psychosis into consideration

but i get your point

[babavee100]

It never ceases to amaze me how much time and money is ploughed into psychoanalysis of why the person commited these crimes and the need for some 'boffin' verifying the guilt of someone who has already been caught red handed by good police work...So the bugger had a bad childhood did he/she? So do many of us. We don't do unspeakable things to justify them.

Persons slaughtered by these criminals are overlooked. Shouldn't we be thinking of the victim from time to time?

[babavee100]

Abnormal behaviour goes unremarked or reported by parents, teachers and police alike. Threats of harm do not warrent arrest...the cops have to have proof of actual harm or crime. In this respect they are ineffectual in spotting a potential killer as their role is to arrest wrongdoers,not make assumptions on what a person is likely to do.. and quite rightly so, or most of us who have ever lost our temper would be locked up..just in case.

These so called experts are useless in preventing crime.

[babavee100]

Surely this science of studying these killers is purely hindesight and innefective. It can serve no purpose other than treating/punishing/ sending to trial these monster after the fact. If psychopathic/sociopathic or psychotic behaviour manifests itself in youth; are we to arrest every kid who strangles his pet mouse or loves his mother..just in case? One can profile the killer until one is blue in the face, but tell me..How does this PREVENT these monsters from killing? It doesn't.

[rabidninja]

@babavee100 Yea well 100 years ago you could have said the same thing about a man flying. How does a man fly.. it doesn't, well it does now. Who knows in 100 years we'll have a pill that pregnant women take that PREVENTS the psycho killer gene. I dont see it out of the realm of possibilty at all.

[TonyboyDK]

This reminds me of Stephen King's "Carrie"

[z3099154]

Does anyone else notice a pattern with kids who are raised by overly dominant, psychotically Christian mothers? (i.e they end up being weird at the very least)

[RamirezRobertoPerez]

@z3099154 more atheist propaganda?

[taipohh]

@RamirezRobertoPerez

Like intro sayd they dont understand whats real and whats not...

the belief that a jewish cosmic zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolicaly eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master,so he can remove the evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

im proud to be atheist.

[Deathtogreece2]

why the fuck did the ban execution, New law for these sick fucks execution by torture

[cyberebel]

Holy shit--that is fucking scary. >.< I will not sleep tonight. Great for an all-nighter.

[lu4y4pants]

So THAT'S what inspired Silence of the Lambs.

[Bfdidc]

@lu4y4pants Yep. Ed Gein was also the inspiration for Psycho and, I believe, a partial model for The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

[xxbrea]

@Bfdidc he was the person texas chain saw massacre was based on. i don't know if this was mentioned, but it's also said he killed his brother as a child, an obsession with his mother, and his brother didn't like their mom.

[Maloperverso]

@Bfdidc How about Hannibal Lecter in the 'Silence of the Lambs'???

[demonkeyoblivion]

@Bfdidc don't forget silence of the lambs

[sizzled28]

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[uffewarrior]

Psychotic killers? Kind of misleading since a minority of all killers are psychotic.. To be psychotic does not lead to evil actions necessary. How this "Doctor" speaks I really doubt that he has any background whatsoever in psychology and science.

Also, Im from Sweden.. Pardon my grammar..

[areYouSerious41]

@uffewarrior He is a forensics psychiatrist. He publishes books, also. If he wasnt really a doctor, I dont think he would be aloud to use it in his title in his publications.

[mette1983]

@uffewarrior I guess you didn´t understood the part where the Doctor talked about the scale and what his education was.

[uffewarrior]

@mette1983 Yes I did, watched the whole thing. Still he doesnt explain on what scientific basis this scale is built on. No scientific references whatsoever. Morality, "evil" and things like that is highly subjective and depends on a alot of things. I will give you one Frillion, no make it 2 Frillion dollars if you can find me a peer-reviewd scientific article that is about this scale.

[Bfdidc]

@uffewarrior I largely agree with you. I do, however, think that the scale used on this show is a step in the right direction. While cultural norms, etc. can color what we call good & evil, the longstanding philosophy of ethics has things to say on the matter. From a scientific perspective, I recently read Sam Harris's "The Moral Landscape" which gives an interesting picture of what science might be able to determine vis-a-vis morality going forward.

[RENTAGHOST23]

This is what happens if you listen to your mother too much-take note! :)

[joeTaipei]

Has anybody tested that Dr.Stone ?

He looks like a fucken phyco