Jehovah's Witnesses -- More New Light -- 1st Thessalonians 5:3?

[PrintedTruth]

Apparently Jehovah is messing with modern day servants. The Watchtower insists upon pangs of death that every word in the Christian Greek Scriptures are the exact thinking of God. He gave first Century Christians correct information right away, just like you would expect God to. Do you think he's telling us something? Modern day Christians must be a bunch of weak minded idiots that just can't handle the Truth. Or God's just having some fun.

[ThaRealJimShady]

Subtlety and deception are what the JWs are all about. While they may tell nominal "Christians" they believe in the Son of God, they deny that He is God (the NWT corruption paints Jesus as "a god"). And they don't believe that Jesus could be "in" a Christian, but rather "in union with". They also believe in "superseding revelation", or something that continues to unfold. JWs also never stay on point, but rather twist,spin and manipulate the conversation, so that they always have the last word.

[letusreason42262]

Dude... Not sure but I think that nerf foot ball was talking to me....

Anyway Jesus and stuff...Whoah a magazine.... really???

I totally dig tha pics but with Smok'in this Cigg and all I might not have time to burn a hole in the front page..... Whaaaat?

Wait.... I totally know whats goin on here....... Your trying to brain wash me, right???

You people NEED me and want to get me to think like you which would make make different then I am but only so i would do what you want.... Or somthing

[twLabrador]

COME ON AND HURRY JESUS!! 1 THESSALONIANS 5:3  BYE BYE, GOOD RIDDANCE GOATFACES SCUMS OF THE EARTH. PEACE AND SECURITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!

[sovern009]

Follow the MONEY. I wonder If i could buy a ZONE OVERSEER postion to hide my millions in assets in this TAX-EXEMPT Organization? Hummm. I guess the need for Financial Security trumps Spirituality and real FAITH for those at the TOP of the religon pyramid.

[sovern009]

If you guys really want to Expose the JWs STOP GIVING THEM DONATIONS.!.The WTBTS is a international BOOK Club CORPORATION that requires its (follows) to PURCHASE it liturature.Theyll keep changing the story too they dont care. How else will they maitain they TAX-EXEMPT status.That what its all about; WTBTS using near JIM JONES tactics in their ORDAIN MINISTER definition to keep their TAX-EMEMPT status. Research their LEGAL Dept see for yourself.

[SmalltimR]

@sovern009

I'm pretty sure the JW's get their proceeds from members of their own followers.

And if memory serves, they don't mandate donations but rather accept them discretely.

So I doubt your call to exposure is realistic at all tbh.

And what's with the Jim Jones reference?

You do realize Jim Jones didn't reason from the bible when he lead those people to their deaths right?

The JW's follow the bible exclusively and are far from a Jim Jones scenario.

[sovern009]

@SmalltimRRE-read the post sir I typed ""near JIM JONES "tactics"". 1.JWs leading their follower to their deaths remains to be seen.

2.All CHARLATANS lead their followers to some type immediate death or a slow tortuous death sir.

3.The WTBTS dont reason from a Bible not tainted by them they reason mostly from their literature.

4.Your right sir, Its more of a challenge to expose,or to test a "sound theory."

5.We understand that donations are 'IMPLIED" sir CONTINUE TO NEXT POST.

[sovern009]

@SmalltimR Your Quote "I'm pretty sure the JW's get their proceeds from members of their own followers".

Thanks to PUBLISHING CULT that is the GENIUS behind their scheme!

Understand that the WTBTS is a CORPORATION slash BOOK CLUB that profits(parasites)

DIRECTLY from its members (followers).

Its a great SCHEME to replicate if you want your BOOK CLUB-CORPORATION to beat the TAX MAN and gain TAX EXEMPT status. ITS PURE GENIUS.!

[sovern009]

@SmalltimR If I had Such GENIUS Id be a GOVERNING BODY member living off the backs of my members too.!! Instead of living like PAUL did; a humble tent maker.. Its the american dream man, Im just jealous I couldn’t think of such a SCHEME myself.What make it so beatiful, is no one realized for decades it until PUBLISHING CULT exposed it! The high levels of that Organization are CHARLATANS. If your a member, STOP PURCHASING the Literature and "DRINK LIFES WATER FREE"! Be warned if you do thou..

[sovern009]

@SmalltimR Jim Jones emphasized PARADISE just like the WTBTS does, instead of Real love and affection ,right now, in this world; something that will eventually CONFLICT with Profits for the few at the TOP.Jesus had the same Clash with the chief preist of his day. Drop the literature money scheme and focus only on the bible. Oh, ONE book? Thats not profitable....!

[SmalltimR]

@sovern009

You do realize all religions focus on salvation right? And Jim Jones was a psychopath obsessed with death amongst other thing. Clearly, this man was NOT living according to the bible and most certainly not taking part in doing God's will.

Furthermore your follow-up attempt with regards to printing literature seems just as ill-fitted as the first claim. If you want to see love and affection, try looking at the level of commitment these people have toward God and his word.

[sovern009]

@SmalltimR We learned about Jim Jones AFTER he was fully exposed by the congressman and camera crew he assasinated.I dont associate commitment with love & affection;the chief preist were commited to their jobs;but love & affection?Many have a deep COMMITMENT to tradition and you know how JESUS CHRIST felt about tradition compared to LOVE,dont you? and Where in anyones bible is it written the anceints used Periphery literature as a corner-stone to the BIBLE?

[SmalltimR]

@sovern009

Sorry, everything you've written to date is either grossly wrong or patently false. ie. your so called knowledge of Jim Jones shows this. Do the research, and stop parroting nonsense.

Furthermore the chief priests were not committed to God.

It doesn't matter how you try and spin this, you're accusations remains baseless accusations(no more no less).

Anyways its quite clear what you're motives are.

And more importantly that you have no interest in honest dialog.

Carry on...

[sovern009]

@SmalltimR Its interesting how you got off the subject of of "SEGRAGATED KINGDOM HALLS" and how YOU defended the racist polices of that religon during that time period.GOD dont see RACE: But the WTBTS did when it came to U.S. policy toward BLACKS at that time. While they plainly saw that the NAZI treatment of the Jews was WRONG.Your the same person who said segregated K.Hs was baseless too. Humm, Whos really searching for truth. BEHOLD ALL.. the mind of a CULT follower

[twLabrador]

@sovern00 Based on the stupidity of the majority everyone can call everything a cult. Your family is a cult. Boy Scouts and Girl Guides are the worst cults hahsahahahaha

[sovern009]

@twLabrador You right..I guess the issue isnt CULT. I guess the real issue is CONTROL & "NEGATIVE CULTs." It appears the real issue is DECEPTION being used to control people to do things they normally wouldnt do had they been told the TRUTH.When we realize we've been decieved by anyone, there is resentment. Were talking about peoples LIVES and how theyre ruined by insenitive ruthless peoples and organizations and who it CHALLENGES our sense of Justice.Many have been wronged by these BAD CULTS.

[sovern009]

@twLabrador So yeah, Your Right. CULT is the wrong word. Its just that many CULTs have strong INFLUENCE over those part of them.And CULTS that Hurt,Injure,Deceive, ect are WRONG. Its not about IMPERFECTION either. Its about Justice, Fairness, an Attonement. We all make Mistakes;Questions is, can we say Im SORRY. Or am I too PROUD to say IM SORRY for fear of appearing wrong or weak? ALOT of these people are upset because their owed an APOLOGY by these NEGATIVE CULTS.They get the opposite thou.

[twLabrador]

@sovern009 For one, Ever hear of the 10 Commandments?? what the hell do you think they were put on??? Well maybe your love of "Tradition" needs too be replaced with Actual love of "Commitment" towards Jesus You apparently don't use your Bible seeing as your asking that question. Roman Catholics are satans celebrations. Go show me how many "Wise men" went and visited Jesus who were sent by Herod to have him killed. Funny how catholics "know" when Jesus was born but its not in the Bible!

[sovern009]

@SmalltimR What do you even know about the history of THE PEOPLES TEMPLE anyway?These guys had a stellar record until the religon was EXPOSED.That religon was keeping all kinds of secrects,until they were EXPOSED!Sure we know all this AFTER the fact. The people in that religon were commited to their religon too! Where did they go wrong! They followed a MAN! A man who claimed heavenly guidance. Stick to the Christ message and NO MAN or MEN can lead your commitment astray.

[SmalltimR]

@sovern009

And finally, there are no similarities between the JW's printing literature and gambling in the temple. Do you honestly think the JW's are making money to squander in riches? If so, where are the goods? The fancy cars, glittering ornaments and lavish lifestyles? And were not the chief priests reminiscent of this?

Just as with you're other accusations... these too are ill-fitted to the facts.

[sovern009]

@SmalltimR The chief priest of Jesus Day didnt live like king Harod, did they? And Gambling in the temple???? "Gambling"? Huh? A shrewd Person Doesnt show off his or her FAT retirement. But Who said LAVISH and where are these images coming from? Where was any of this posted? Wha? The Vatican didnt start with wealth it now has, it toke a few hundred years.The Literature money scheme is a great way NOT to work for a living and comfortably, thats all... Gambling???Fancy cars?

[twLabrador]

@sovern009 It is very sad to hear or know of people in these special positions they are governing; and it usually starts from the Elders right up too the WTBTS. It makes me sick now when i hear them say their "favorite scripture"  i have heard this many times directly and from others as well.

[twLabrador]

@sovern009 Yes it is Wonderful that "God will wipe every tear from your eyes" But i'm sorry and im sure im not the only one who thinks that: it is a sad, poor, unhelping, uncaring, pathetic way of not having to "lower" themselves and say their sorry and give a heartfelt concern.  I'm experiencing this right now

[sovern009]

@twLabrador Again, you hit the nail on the head.!When we are wronged and there is no OUTLET for JUSTICE, justifiable Anger turns to MADNESS.ie MAD.Theres much UNCKECKED POWER in practically all these NEGATIVE CULTS and there are no LAWs against Spiritual Deception.When religous leaders creates CHECKS and BALANCES against ABUSE of power much of the maddnes may be lessend.There are GOOD people who have been Wronged by their CULTS.Once,these people had No OUTLET for JUSTICE.THE INTERNET fixed that.

[twLabrador]

@sovern009 Yes sir Ecclesiastes 7:7 "Oppression may make a wise man act crazy, and a gift destroy the heart." It makes me absolutely sick! when i see people hurting

[twLabrador]

@sovern009 i don't know who the fk(s) you are referring too (where's your proof, lets see it) but, whether there are and/or were "unfaithful and non discrete slave masters" in the WTBTS; Jehovah's Witnesses don't have anything to do with their "affairs" That is between them and God.

[sovern009]

@twLabrador Again I agree..There is a huge difference between RELIGION and SPRITUALITY. Unfortunatley many NEGATIVE CULTs go to great lengths to BLURR that line.I call it a type of spiritual hi-jaking and before you know it your listening to a DEFACTO POPE.They may say GODs "SPECAIL-Holy spirit" is working thru us ONLY and NOT you.These are the tecniques many NEGATIVE CULTS use to HI-jack a sencerely unsuspecting Spirtual persons worship. The definition is; CHARLATAN.

[indiem]

Thats just like the JW's - always changing the story! I think depends on who you think is saying "peace and security". I always understood it to mean when everyone (ungodly world) thinks they have achieved P&S then the end comes. Sounds more like Murphys Law to me. (enjoying your vids btw). Did bible studies with the witnesses years ago but sounded like such mumbo-jumbo and when I found out they changed their tune on end-of-world predictions - needless to say I didn't get baptized.

[dablnutrition]

There is no NEW understanding... except the fact that that cry has not gone out yet

Some thought that it might have been done .... and the brothers wanted to clafify that is hasn't gone out.... Really you need to quit assuming

and making stuff up

[AngelinasAngels]

Hi there ive been studying the the jehovahs witnesses for 2 years im from birmingham england and i PROMISE YOU THAT WHAT THEY TEACH IS THE TRUTH!!! The best thing to do is to keep a close watch of the news soon they will be asking for peace and security and the banning of all religion....The best advice i can give you is to have a BIBLE STUDY....just to ease your curiosty...you have nothing to loose its best thing i have ever done your eyes are opened and you can make sense of everything

[bigmiz89]

and besides no evidence of inanimate objects turning animate, no evidence for DNA/RNA creating itself without a living thing, theres no evidence in animals evolving into completely different species. and theres also problems with natural selection, but besides all of this, there is evidence that I agree makes sense and might be correct also...

[bigmiz89]

everyone knows jehovah's witnesses are nothing more then a stupid cult which prey on single moms, widows, typical unhappy peoples, and poor peoples. they prey on the weak.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 sounds a lot like religion in general. That's how religion survived this long. By fear, irrationality, superstition and coercion.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree ehh i don't agree with the entirety of your statement. i'm a christian and i am neither of those things. i although do have very seperate personal beliefs that most christians would definately not share. for instance i do not deny the existance of aliens or even parallel universes...i think the Bible was written by ancient authors and is not the word of God, etc

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 if the bible is not the word of God, and it most certainly is not, then what purpose does your Christian faith serve? Christianity is based on the Bible, and the Bible is filled with numerous contradictions, absurdities, and outrageous atrocities. God once cared how many "types of fabric" people wore. In Acts Judas was said to be unremorseful and God killed him. But one of the gospels says Judas killed himself. If simple details are unreliable, how can we say that any of it is?

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree you're absolutely wrong, being a christian is based on your faith in Jesus Christ, and that alone. having faith that the Bible is the Word of God may be important to some people, but not for me. as i said I am part of no denomination, and as a real Christian you know that the only important thing is Jesus.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 where does faith in Jesus come from? If it doesn't come from the Bible, are you saying it comes from your imagination? Why should I have faith in Jesus if the only evidence of him existing is from a fictional book? And who said I'm a real Christian? The important thing to me is truth.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree LMAO, I'm not calling YOU a christian, idiot...I was speaking about christians in general. this is what I believe in, and if you don't wanna believe in a "fictional book", then that's fine. I don't really give a shit what you do. BTW, there is evidence of him existing, just not evidence outside of the Bible that he is God. get your facts straight....ask any unbiased historian and they will tell you that.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 LMAO, first you tell me the Bible is unreliable, and now you try and use the Bible as evidence for God. You are brilliant, man! I merely asked you a question about validating your beliefs. But you are apparently incapable of answering them. It really shows when someone resorts to ad hominem attacks. Listen, dude. The Bible is not evidence for Jesus in any way shape or form. If that was the case, Harry Potter would be evidence for sorcery, and Star Wars would be evidence for Darth Vader

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree LMAO, do you actually read anything before you reply back? I never tried to use the Bible as evidence for God...what the hell are you talking about? Explain to me how I did? I said there is evidence that Jesus existed outside of the Bible, but there is obviously no evidence outside of the Bible that he is God..and I don't really count the Bible as evidence, although I never wrote that but since you knew how I discredit the Bible then it should of already been known...

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree and as far as miracles go...I do not believe that God interferes with life. he created us and nothing more. the state that the world is in today is because of what happened throughout history....children in Africa aren't starving because God wants them to. maybe there is such a thing as miracles, but it's up to the person to decide what it really is

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 Your definition here sounds a lot like deism.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree read more carefully next time before you make stupid accusations.i'm not a bible thumper, you don't have to give me examples on how the Bible isn't fact. and how does my definiation sound like deism? life is what you make it, dude. If you want to believe in miracles, then that's on you. the truth is, nobody knows jack shit about why the world is how it is.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 So you're saying sense we don't know the answers, then that is justification to make stuff up? If you don't understand deism then look it up. It's exactly what you described. God created us but no longer interferes. That is deism. What? Did you think you were being unique?

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree OK you're right. Even though I think God is completely absent in life, but am an I.D. believer you're technically right. but as for as miracles go, I don't believe in them...its all up to the person who witnesses one to decide what is was.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 Let me ask you a question. If I were to take a flashlight back to the dark ages, what would they likely think of it? Just because we don't understand something doesn't mean it is un-understandable. ummm... that's probably not a word but you know what I mean.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree I agree with you, but people have different philisophical opinions on life so therefore the concept of a miracle will always exist.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree i actually believe in evolution, since I have no problem with the fact that nothing is obviously perfect and things must adapt to survive.. but you sound like one of those guys who go around claiming evolution is fact and everyone who believes differently is wrong. Every belief system in the world is just a theory, including Christianity.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 Yes, evolution is a theory. But saying "just a theory" is short sighted. A theory isn't something we just made up after a drinking binge. Theories are demonstrable. Gravity is a theory, relativity is a theory. But Christianity isn't a theory in any sense of the word. It isn't even a logical hypnosis. Christianity is as much a theory as Zeus, Thor, and the great flying spaghetti monster. But I'm not saying any of this to be rude. It's simply how it is. Please show valid reasons. Respect

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree when theories become proven they become laws. Gravity is a law. I understand what you're saying, but it's still something that can't be proven, and will probably never be proven...just like christianity. christians for example, follow the theory of life and everything that Christianity provides. Athiests follow the theories that science provides.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 Gravity is both a theory, a fact, and a law. Look it up. And by the way. Who said I was an atheist?

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree I wont deny that, but it's pretty much proven true...are there any alternative theories with any credibility at this point?

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree and the only way evolution is going to be proven is if we finally figure out a sufficient way to go back in time and basically see for ourselves, because there is nearly not enough sufficient evidence currently available to thoroughly convert it to law...and that would also involve proving string theory in that case. For Christians to be right, we would have be able to prove God exists and I guess literally see Him....which ain't happening either.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 You obvious have no knowledge of evolution. Once again you've contradicted yourself. You say you believe evolution, then you say you don't. Now you say it isn't proven, which it is. String theory has nothing to do with evolution either. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but I recommend doing some actual research before commenting on subjects you have no knowledge of. All it does it make you look ignorant.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree oh man I'm sick of you not paying attention...once again you don't read my replies. String Theory has to do with TIME TRAVEL, not evolution...  I believe in evolution just like I believe in God, but they both can't be physically PROVEN. how does that contradict myself??

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 I didn't know you believed time travel too. Or what that has to do with anything. This discussion was about your reason for believing God. That's why I commented to begin with. I thought maybe you had some insight into this that I didn't have. I'm still waiting on your reasoning how Christianity is a theory. God cannot be proven, but evolution most certainly can be demonstrated physically. The fact you would even say that it can't speaks for your understanding of evolutionary theory

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree Who said I believed in time travel? I was just setting an example. There is honestly as much credible physical proof to demonstrate evolution as reality as Intelligent Design. Evolution just makes sense to a lot of people, even including me...but there are shitloads of holes in the theory which gives it lots of athiest critics as well.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 Intelligent Design? Are you fucking kidding me? Okay, are you seriously saying there is just as much evidence for "Intelligent Design" as there is for evolution? Intelligent Design is nothing but a political movement for the mentally challenged. This young earth intelligent design crap is a load of shit. Please, please tell me you don't buy into their bullshit about the earth being a few thousand years old. That one thing alone speaks a lot for their foundation of "evidence."

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree I was being sarcastic dick...there's too many holes in evolution for it to be considered so accurate that secondary school students are taught it as fact instead of theory. I don't believe the earth is a few thousand years old...that's a Christian belief...Intelligent Design purely means you believe someone, or something created us...How do you not know that?

[anzwertree]

What holes? Evolution is a fact. How can you not know that? Explain the holes. Redeem yourself by showing me you know what you're talking about. There are mountains of evidence for evolution. It's so perfect, in fact, just how with Newton's theory we could get to the moon, with evolutionary theory we have designed better medications. Why, because it's a fact. It works like mathematics. It can be demonstrated and proven. How can you not know that? Because you haven't studied at all.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree You saying Evolution is "fact" clearly makes you an idiot. You also contradicted yourself by saying before that gravity and relativity are nothing but theories...but now evolution isn't one? It's clearly fact! If it was fact and can be proven, it would be universally accepted amongst scholars, which it clearly isn't. If i'm going to debate this with you, it has to be through private messages because youtube doesn't allow us to type enough

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 hahah, I think we have already established that you have no idea what a theory is. I remember making fun of you for calling evolution "just a theory." There is no "just a theory," A theory isn't something we just make up. Gravity isn't "just a theory." Gravity IS a theory. Evolution IS a theory. Relativity IS a theory. lmao, and you say I make myself look stupid. hhahahahahahahahahahahhahah

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree as I said before...a theory is just a concept of principles developed to explain something. EVERY theory is MADE UP by someone who thinks they've found a credible, sensible way to explain a phenonema. A fact and a theory aren't the same thing! What the hell are you talking about?

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 well, if you were educated, and apparently you are not. You would understand that something can be both a theory, a fact, and a law, at the same time. Biologists consider the existence of biological evolution to be a fact. It can be demonstrated today and the historical evidence for its occurrence in the past are overwhelming. However, biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories for the mechanism of evolution.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree I don't really care what the hell the scientific definition of it mean. What I'm saying is that there is no way something that can't be completely proven as correct is technically a fact. IT may be a law, but not a fact in my book. A fact is based on complete truth. I'm pretty sure most people follow this logic.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 As it turns out, almost nothing can be known for certain. We don't know "for sure" that we're not a brain in a vat and all this is a dream. Study up on Rene Descartes. All you REALLY know is that you exist. "I think, therefore I am." Might want to check out epistemology too. Maybe you've seen the matrix. Descartes was a french philosopher of the seventeenth century. Long time ago. He is heavily responsible for inspiring a lot of the matrix movie.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree I'll look up on that. I've heard of Descartes, never read anything though.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree plus alot of the so called proofs for evolution could be attributed to other unrelated phenomena. if you want to continue this debate, just message me because this is getting nowhere and we're ruining your otherwise good video post.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree Christianity is a theory, because it is an opinion on how life came into existance on Earth...just like evolution, any other religion, aliens colonizing earth etc.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 okay, so there we have it. We've just established that you have no idea what a theory is. A theory is not equal to opinion! Go to school, get a degree, and message me when you know what you're doing.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree ok...a theory is just a concept of principles to explain something. Christianity indeed has that, although a lot of it mostly ridiculous. How can you deny that?

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree and yes, christianity can't be demonstrated...it is based purely on faith and historical relevance. but the fact that christianity is worldwide, and has survived this long is demonstratable enough to certain people. some people like to prove the Christianity's relevance such as stating prophecies that came true, and things in the Bible like dinosaurs, and UFO's and shit..I don't look for any proof because there is no proof, but it doesn't mean it's not a basic theory on existance

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 All you've done here is proved your utter ignorance for historical matters. Show me! Or else you have a clear case of self delusional subjection. There are no fulfilled prophecies. Please show me a prophecy that was clearly fulfilled. If you're talking about Babylon's fall to Cyrus, then I'm afraid it doesn't cut it. No original copies of Isaiah's book exists. We have no way of knowing how many revisions it went through before it was standardized. Show me evidence, not hearsay

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree I was talking about other christians, NOT MYSELF...for the fourth time you don't comprehend what I'm writing to you. I said I don't look for proof because there is NO PROOF, but SOME CHRISTIANS CLAIM THERE ARE...Do you understand now?

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 and how is that valid reason to believe in something? Are you saying you just believe because you want to? Because it gives you warn fuzzy feeling? Is it your security blanket? Are you saying you don't need proof to believe in anything.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree I believe that there is a God who created us because when you really break shit down, it makes the most sense to me. Do you have a problem with that? You're over here telling me not to call people an idiot, but you were the first person to be rude to me, and are just continuing it, all the while making yourself look like a idiot in some comments, and a nerd with a superiority complex in others.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 what makes you think anything you say needs to be treated any differently than any other extraordinary claim? Maybe I do have a superiority complex. Perhaps it stems from a lifetime raised in a destructive mind control cult. Religion, and God were used to maintain control over me, my social life, and family. I got to a point where I was fed up with the bullshit of religion. And now I combat ignorance with the same disdain and bitterness subjected by religious ideology.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree Exactly, I don't! I'm just stating my opinion...you're the one going on claiming your word is the truth.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 lol! Dude are you serious?! My word has nothing to do with this. I didn't discover evolution. Nor am I Isaac Newton.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree If my opinion on life is "ignorant," then your crusade to prove your intellect on youtube is even more ignorant. Nobody cares that you don't believe in God. We can have a simple interesting debate, or you can prove that no matter what anyone says to you, you're automatically correct by default. That's not a debate where opinions are traded at all, that's just you forcefeeding me your bullshit.

[anzwertree]

Consider the well-known phenomenon of gravity. First, there is a fact of gravity. While we cannot actually see gravitational force itself, we do observe the effects of this force every time we drop something. There is also a theory of gravity that addresses the question of how this force we call gravity really works. While we really don't know how gravity works, there are theories that attempt to explain it. Finally there is the well-known law of gravity. First formulated by Isaac Newton

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree Yeah...I know that. See, we can actually feel gravity amongst us. It is easy to prove because it effects us every day, unlike evolution. We cannot observe it..therefore we do not know if it ever happened.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 but we can observe evolution. That's why it's worthy of the being called a theory and a fact. Have you ever been sick and gotten better? You've just witnessed a property of evolution. Humans and animals adapt to their environment. All this is evolution. It can also be measured directly in a lab. But I have to finish my school work. We can pick this up through email. Just send me your argument and I'll look at it tomorrow or the next day. Take care.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree I have to wake up for school in about three hours...I go to Baruch in Manhattan. I'll message you tomorrow. Even though I side with Evolution, there's too many holes in the theory which leaves me doubting it sometimes. Maybe you can enlighten me.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 It's not about me being right. It has nothing to do with me. You came here, remember? This is my channel, and I'll take any challenge that comes my way. You equate my questioning as a superiority complex. Does asking questions and wanting rational answers bother you? I guess because you life isn't based in reality. That's fine. There's nothing wrong with living a fairytale if you can't think rationally.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree I've gave you rational answers. As far as evolution goes since you haven't messaged me and youtube limits me to 500 characters...although I believe in it...there is no scientifical evidence that an inanimate object can transform into an animate one. the same thing with DNA...these are two basic holes in evolution that cannot really be thoroughly answered.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 you're confusing evolution with abiogenesis. But we will get to all that later.

[nachis3]

You will be hearing about peace and security alot, and it means that Jesus is comming back very soon, yea, my Savior is coming for His children...bye!!

[anzwertree]

@nachis3 people have been saying that an awful long time. While I admit that's a nice touching thought, my rationality tells me not to get my hopes up. For all I know, Jesus is just another fictional character. I've never seen any miracles, nothing supernatural at all.

[nachis3]

@anzwertree

I know what you mean, but I have seen a miricle in my own life and with my own eyes...I have met Jesus, He actually visits the repentant sinner, really, really, I pray that you would believe me...I'm not talking about religion like jw's or catholics, or muslims...etc, I'm talking about a head on collision with you Maker, if at least I can get you to believe that omeone made you!!!!

[anzwertree]

@nachis3 No, I'm pretty sure my mom and dad made me. When I say miracle, I'm not talking about a fuzzy feeling, or some unusual coincidence, finding 20$ on the ground and having food for the day. No, I'm talking about the kind of miracles in the Bible. Bread falling from the sky, Jesus walking on water, talking animals. I'm talking about actual miracles.

[nachis3]

@anzwertree

Yea mom and dad had something to do with it...lol...but who made them, and their parents and so on and so on?????answer that...and I hope you aren't deceived like many ppl are into thinking that they came from monkeys or slime...just saying.

[anzwertree]

@nachis3 Maybe we came from bacteria. Or maybe we were created by aliens. Maybe Zeus created us after flooding the earth. Maybe it was the flying spaghetti monster. The point being, all this stuff is speculation, including what you say about Jesus. If I get a warm fuzzy feeling every time I pray to the flying spaghetti monster does that mean he's visiting me?

[nachis3]

@anzwertree

ok I will not get all cought up in geneoligies and empty words, it's ovious you love your sin and don't want to bow the knee, and I believe that one day we both will find out what's on the other side of death, as for me, I am grateful that I have my answer while on this earth...now that's living in peace...se ya!!!!

[anzwertree]

@nachis3 it's obvious that I love my sins? Really? Your methods of deduction are amazing. If you can tell all that just by reading a few of my Youtube comments then you must be one of God's followers. Only a mindless sinful atheist would see any flaws in your well delivered argument here. I'm thoroughly impressed with your humble spirit and candor. Maybe if I had as much faith as you, Jesus would swing by my house and we could go get a glass of wine together.

[Tray963]

@nachis3 The J/Ws will have a lot of new light when the LORD Jesus returns .They have no idea what Jude3 means when it says the faith which was once for all delivered

[bigmiz89]

@nachis3 LMAO, you're an idiot, stop the superiority act...Jesus even says in the Bible to spread the word, but not be a dick and act superior because your religion is better... and not to push it onto others.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 Do you think going around calling people an idiot makes you somehow less of a dick? Get over yourself. You say the Bible isn't the word of God, then at the same time you claim it's proof of God. Then you insult people because they disagree with you and point out flaws in your argument. All you've proved is that you believe something for no real reason. You must have nothing to support these arguments since all you do is contradict yourself and call people stupid.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree I insult you because you're so quick to prove to me that you're superior, that you merely skim my comments without fully reading them which brings you to a incorrect conclusion of my replies to you. I called that guy an idiot, because he just is. I haven't contradicted myself once. So, after you read my newest replies on top of the page....I want you to tell me how I contradicted myself. Thanks

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 okay, I've actually already told you how you contradicted yourself. First you say that the Bible is the word of ancient people. Not the word of God. Then I ask you what proof there is for believing in Jesus or Christianity. Then you say there is no proof outside the Bible. You can't say you don't believe in the Bible, and then proceed to use the Bible to validate your beliefs.

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree I never used the Bible to validate my beliefs.  The Bible is the only way for Chrstians to prove Jesus is God, therefore there is no other so-called proof elsewhere...I NEVER said that MUST mean that Jesus is God, because the Bible says so! The Bible is NO proof that Jesus is God...it's only a man-made book written by hundreds of people. I know that...once again you're either not reading me carefully or I'm not stating myself clearly enough.

[anzwertree]

@bigmiz89 if what you say here is true, why believe in Jesus AT ALL? You say you're a Christian, right? The Bible is where Christianity comes from. If the Bible is "just a book" what basis is there for having faith in what it says?

[bigmiz89]

@anzwertree You know it's my fault, I guess I misled you by calling myself Christian. I was raised in Christianity, so I always refer to myself as Christian but I developed my own beliefs as I got older. I believe in God. I believe Jesus was a real person, but not an omnipotent being. I enjoy some of the stories in the Bible, and think they have great philosophical meanings....That's about it.

[anzwertree]

@nachis3 What do you mean Jesus visits you? He comes to your house to have tea?

[nachis3]

@anzwertree

Now you sound like you are mocking God, well to try to explain it on youtube is impossible.

[TheExtremeBiblicist]

Aloooha. Thanks for the vid.

Per the Bible, it appears the UN will attain peace and security, which is an Obama phrase by the way! When that happens Armageddon begins.

The WTS as the lamb-dragon beast, along with Christendom and Satan will be instrumental in producing "inspired expressions" that will lead the nations into confrontation with God and Christ and bring about Armageddon.

Per the Bible, the WTS is now in spiritual darkness and no longer recognized as God's temple.

[TheLawFulfilled]

LOL Yeah they have your peace and security in mind for you for sure. Is it possible they are owning up to the Bible not being inspired by God? No, it's a tease to get you to read the article no doubt.

[TALIAFERRO69]

This dipshit is 47........ahahahhahahah what a loser.....go upload a video dipshit lets see your fat ass on camera........Go eat some jello old bitch CUNT! What a Fucking loser......47 and in the watchtower like a retard. Stay in society doen't need retards like you....you belong there with the rest of the clowns!

[TALIAFERRO69]

Nothing you say is worth a cold tird! Go read a bullshit Watchtower CUNT! FUCK YOU!

[JekuJekah]

What you mean "pregnant woman"?

[JAKEV25]

ahhhhhh....Atheism/Evolutionis­t......Now I got ya.

Not my cup of tea. Good luck with that though......your parents being rocks and all.

[TheScrewedGeneration]

My favorite evolution Jake is the Watchtower evolution. You call it "new light". Your beliefs evolve, then devolve, then they evolve into what they used to be, then they devolve again. Kind of like a crazed man's version of evolution.

[rachelbinto]

Isn't it clear by now? You must put your hope in the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and not in Jesus Christ or anything like that.

[YAHWEHtoHELL]

Hahahaha, 2 different types of peace and security? hahahahaha

"New thought" must be like the second trimester in the pregnancy of the WTBTS pangs.....after the third trimester it gives birth to "New light"

Great video!

H. Connick Jr...THAT'S IT!

[JekuJekah]

Oh ya like the expectations of 1975.

"Stay alive till '75!"

Whoever the hell said that.

bunch of bullshit I say!!!

POWER BE TO THE VAA!!

[JAKEV25]

Isn't it time to move on ?...I mean you really have nothing better to offer. Go enjoy life..We can handle the organization without you.

[anzwertree]

Move on from what? You mean I shouldn't speak out against the organization? Why? Does it bother you when I point out your religions hypocrisy?

That just happens to be what this channel is about. If you don't like what I have to say, that's fine. But this is Youtube, not theocratic ministry school. If you want a sugar coated melody, go sit under a rainbow and eat some skittles, fucking flower child.

[JAKEV25]

Dude...relax......Instead of deconstructing the WBTS.....why don't you tell us about your new enlightenment.?...What do you have to offer?

Tell us all of your new found truth....

[TALIAFERRO69]

Hey Watchtower CUNT! Go fucking back to your fake ass bullshit and let people who actually have brains discuss your stupid fucking CULT! Go suck off the governing body members cocks like you so desire bitch made!

[RussianRevolutionary]

How smart of you to rush to the camera to offer commentary on a discussion you obviously failed to understand!

[TiredOfjwHypocrites]

They call these "Special Talks" because they follow the memorial Celebration. These are each part of a two step "SPECIAL" recruitment strategy to pull gullibles, mentally challenged, and mentally ill people into their fold.

[ymaify]

you should go just to see what they have to say .

[nathanaelstacy1]

If you go to the "special talk," make a video of it. If they say anything interesting, post it. We all love the new light!

[JBSauce]

Ah, you flipped the video. I wondered what was going on.

Those "special talks" that you have to attend? I always struggled to find out what was so special about them.

[anzwertree]

You could call it "special education"