Yes we did elect Obama, thank you!

[supremeobliterator]

Thanks you for eleting Goldman Sachs guys. I hope you enjoyed this puppet show they had going since 2009.

Just love the way he let the Money Laundering go on at Wells Fargo and did nothing about it to. Nice to have somewon support the drug dealers when we are in a supposed War on Drugs.

Thanks again guys

[catburger1000]

This is what they are celebrating: Center for Bio-Ethical Reform website.

[kweer58]

Please, if you are (like Obama) "pro-choice", watch a sonogram of an actual abortion. (They are rare to find. But one, from the 1980s, is on "YouTube": Silent scream part 3.) See the fetus demonstrate how she is sensitive to physical touch. She tries to avoid the abortionist who is killing her. How much pain did she feel while being aborted? Judge for yourself. (Of course, none of us know exactly how much pain she feels: None of us reading this were killed by abortion.)

[cabouse1324]

Excellent emotionally loaded argument.

Legitimate, logical arguments only please, it's the only way to solve a controversy.

[chrisman737]

It is nice to know that we are really only one and a half years from when the next presidential campaign begins its first steps, and we will have a chance to elect a pro-life president once again. Yes we can!

[blackbelt414]

What is it with these WOMAN'S RIGHTS!?!?!

It's pisses me off that the woman has the "right" to kill her own kid. Because they can twist it anyway they want but that is what she is doing. KILLING HER OWN KID!! Whether she is "controling" her own body. She is killing her kid in the process.

[chernobleman]

The power of stupidity. I'm speechless at such ignorance. All of you will be paying dearly for this lack of judgement in the next 20 years.

[themalina92]

What is this I hear about him supporting infanticide? Is it true? What a noble guy.

[chernobleman]

Yes. And there are that many idiots in the country who think that a woman's "choice" in the name of her own finite convenience surmounts the life or death of a fetus.

[chrisman737]

Yes, he supports the killing of babies who have survived abortion. One day, just like slavery, abortion will be seen for what it is.

[snapdragonabs]

Congratulations...you elected by far the least qualified president in history! Wait until his term is up...not only will millions of children have been murdered, our economy will be destroyed! Good job in contributing to the demise of the United States, retards!!!!

[psykkodukk]

Least qualified? lol. Wow.

Nevermind that the economy was already in the tank after 8 years of someone who actually was the least qualified president. Oh, but who cares about historical accuracy? Or linguistic accuracy, for that matter? Ever look up the legal definition of the word 'murder'? I doubt it as you seem to think it somehow applies to abortion.

[snapdragonabs]

Yes, least qualified, especially in the way of experience. Lingustic accuracy? Have you not watched the video where Obama states he's been to 57 states? Hmm....if you need a teleprompter to tell you how many states are in the US...that tells me somethin'! A FIVE YEAR OLD knows better than that, yet this guy is running our country? Not only is he running it, he's ruining it...you'll see...and then maybe you'll feel like the idiot that you obviously are.

[chrisman737]

Thank God this horrid election year is now in the past, and the clock slowly ticks away until Obama will finally, one day, be out of office, and hopefully a pro-life president will be in his place. Then he (or she) can undo the damage done by the Obama administration.

[Diannakw]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[CaptainLoveSquirt]

im glad so many people love knowing our president will allow the slaughter of thousands of unborn babies. Its your choice...your body...but their life... :[ poor babies

[ivankaman21]

Thank you for a electing a man who will destry this country

[Snickersx33]

Yes we did!

[Jsickert]

I will clarify that personal danger to herself or the child can warrant termination at any stage. However, at the eighth month of pregnancy a cesarean is usually a viable option and a high chance of survival for both the mother and child. Very rarely is termination actually warranted beyond the 7th month, but in those extreme cases the law should not prevent her chance at survival.

[CreedChrist]

"A Nation that kills its own children is a nation without Hope" Pope JPII

Let us pray for these decieved women who are brainwashed by their own ungodly liberal feminist agenda. Pray for the children that are at risk of being aborted because of people like this and pray that God may have mercy on people who commit and support such a horrid loveless act against another human being. If you support abortion I seriously don't know how u can look at yourself in the mirror everyday

[heroikrobb]

P JPII is wrong on that one. Of course there is always hope, look at an infant. Look at how many other infants there are out in the world. I support all forms of abortion except back alley, I have no regrets about it, and I am not responsible for someone aborting a child, it is their choice. I also feel that people who condemn those who aborted children should be criminalized because they can psychologically harm a woman.

[chrisman737]

heroikrobb, can't look at an infant if you have killed it by abortion.

[heroikrobb]

I wasn't talking about infants who were never aborted. I'm talking about infants already born. There are hopes and dreams for them too. You guys overreact as if your nation is dying. Being pro-choice is not being pro-abort. Pro-choice women still give babies, you just can't see that because you view pro-choice as pro-abortion.

[chrisman737]

I thought so. So an infant who manages not to get burned alive by a saline solution, or be cut to pieces with a sharp instrument, or, in the case of late term abortion, get its brains sucked out by a vacuum and its skull crushed -- if an infant manages not to have these things done to them -- yes, then they have hopes and dreams. But, if they are killed, they have no hopes and no dreams.

[heroikrobb]

We will never be 100% certain if they truly have dreams and hopes. I think that is something that is acquired later in life, not to say that toddlers also not possessing these things. Some might learn the concept of it, but that also doesn't defend against killing toddlers who can't.

[chrisman737]

I am 100% sure that a human being who has been killed does not presently have dreams and hopes (in this life anyway).

[heroikrobb]

I know that for a fact. But you still haven't defended how they have hopes and dreams though. I know that they can't, they have no perception to dream or hope, they are just human material until birth.

[chrisman737]

They have the possibility of having hope and dreams if they are not killed. If they are killed, then they have no possibility of having any hopes and dreams. That was the only point I was making. A newborn infant is not developed enough to have hopes or dreams -- should newborn infants be killed, too?

[heroikrobb]

A newborn infant can look at its surroundings and hear everything and can make its ideas up and learn from things. It may start to hope and dream from the moment of birth. It begins to care about its people around him when they treat him after being in the womb for 9 months.

[chrisman737]

heroikrobb, a newborn infant is actually pretty much blind. It might seem that it is looking at you but it doesn't see you. Its brain is not developed enough to formulate ideas and to learn -- not yet. It is clear that there is little difference between a baby just before it has been born and a baby after it has been born. Using your line of reasoning, it should be okay to kill both. If you support abortion, your own logic forces you to support infanticide.

[heroikrobb]

The difference is though, when a newborn infant is without its umbilical cord, it is not okay to kill it. But it is okay though to kill a fetus if it has the umbilical cord attached to the mother if it is outside the womb, since a fetus is dependent upon it. If there was a case where the abortion went wrong and the umbilical cord was severed, the abortionist should be able to kill the newborn infant within 15 minutes, which is the time the umbilical cord deteriorates outside of the womb.

[chrisman737]

The umbilical cord makes little difference in terms of the biological makeup of the baby. The fact of the matter is, abortion is justified in the eyes of many not by the presence of the umbilical cord, but by the dependence of the unborn child on the mother for life and sustenance, and also that it is not fully developed -- all characteristics of a newborn without an umbilical cord. And, well, I can't believe you just condoned the killing of newborn babies. That is murder.

[heroikrobb]

I don't condone murder, I condone a mother's reproductive decisions, even if it involves an unborn child.

And yes, a newborn child with an umbilical cord is technically a fetus since it is still attached to the mother. Tell me how an unborn child can survive inside the mother's womb independently without the umbilical cord. If the umbilical cord is part of fetal development, it would make sense to say a newborn infant with the cord is still a fetus.

[chrisman737]

A newborn infant with the cord is not a fetus. No one in the medical field who knows their biology would assert otherwise. An unborn child cannot survive inside the mother's womb without the umbilical cord -- that is true. A newborn cannot survive outside the womb without generous assistance from adults -- the newborn cannot feed itself, cannot reproduce, cannot talk, cannot walk, cannot reason. This is also true.

[heroikrobb]

If a newborn can put something into his mouth, does he have the capacity to eat? Certainly. Can he open his mouth and eat something? Certainly. The umbilical cord is meant for the unborn child to thrive on. If the unborn child can take in food, certainly he wouldn't need the umbilical cord, otherwise he would still be a fetus.

[chrisman737]

Please learn some biology. Please.

[heroikrobb]

I know my biology, but I believe it is more complex than just 'if it's out of the womb, it's alive'. The umbilical cord tells me the fetus needs the mother to survive.

[chrisman737]

If you really knew your biology, you wouldn't say what you just did. I never said, "if it's out of the womb, it's alive." What are you telling me, that a baby that still has the umbilical cord is dead? In any event, the baby is born with a suckling instinct. it still needs the mother to survive, or at least some adult who will feed it. A newborn is totally dependent on others -- it cannot survive on its own. Would you condone killing newborns?

[heroikrobb]

I know the baby inside the womb is alive, but for me, I would like to see the umbilical cord cut and removed to make the final distinction between biological dependency and independency.

If the umbilical cord detached from the mother, I would be against full birth abortions completely. But because the newborn baby has the umbilical cord, I consider it to be a fetus still because of this device still attached. That is where the majority are wrong on this decision.

[chrisman737]

You may "consider it to be a fetus," but don't you think such an issue should not be dependent on just how someone "feels" something is alive, or maybe it can still be aborted simply because it has an umbilical cord. You haven't answered my question, by the way -- a newborn is totally dependent on others. Would you condone the killing of newborns?

[heroikrobb]

Have you ever realized that an embryo has a channel for taking in nutrients from the mother as well? Why should the mother be forced to go through pregnancy when she doesn't want to?

A newborn by the way can take in his own food since the independent biological aspect of being raised in the womb is no more, which also includes the umbilical cord.

And if a baby can open his mouth, then certainly he does not need to be dependent on nutrients from others.

[chrisman737]

If a mother does not want to be forced to go through pregnancy when she doesn't want to, then she should not get pregnant.

A newborn takes in his or her own food but is incapable of feeding itself.

Your last comment is nonsensical. Have you ever taken care of a baby? Yes, a baby, he or she (why do you keep calling it a "he"?) is totally dependent on others for nutrition. A baby cannot feed itself nor get food on its own. Without adults, it dies. Period.

[heroikrobb]

A mother's mind should be free to do what she pleases. But then again, aren't we really talking about a woman's issue, and the woman has a right to choose, moreso than the mother.

And you also say this: "'A newborn takes in his or her own food' but is incapable of feeding itself."

I see that you have said that it takes in its own food. It's not a matter of who feeds him to a certain extent, but rather can he feed himself the nutrients rather than the mother bodily giving it to him.

[chrisman737]

No, we are not talking about a woman's issue. We are talking about a human issue. It touches men, women, young, old, born and unborn. Once one segment of society is slated for legal murder, then everyone is in danger.

Yes, it does matter who feeds the baby, because someone has to do so. The baby cannot feed himself the nutrients. He/she can move food inside the mouth and swallow, but he/she cannot bring the food over to his mouth. The baby is entirely dependent on others. Entirely.

[heroikrobb]

An infant is biologically capable of feeding itself just by opening its mouth and putting something in it. Body to body feeding through a vector is different than hand to mouth.

As for this not being a woman's issue, it also is a woman's issue. We are not just talking about human rights, but also the legality of abortions and what happens to women.

I don't think we are in any danger if the unborn are slated for 'legal murder'. We will never legalize murder because we see what goes on.

[chrisman737]

Read my post again. A baby can open its mouth but it cannot put food into it, especially if that food is more than a few inches away. Here is a test. Leave a newborn in one room and a nice Thanksgiving Dinner in the next room. Leave the house and lock the door. Come back in a week. You will find a nice but old and smelly Thanksgiving Dinner in one room, and a malnourished or dead baby in the other room.

Abortion is legalized murder. Obama supports infanticide. Read the news and learn.

[heroikrobb]

That doesn't tell me that an unborn child can put food into his mouth. What I am saying is that an infant can put something in his mouth. Older people can get their own food and put it in their mouths, but infants can only put things in their mouths.

And Obama doesn't support infanticide like you think he does.

[chrisman737]

Well, quite clearly, the infant is entirely dependent on adults. The newborn is even blind (some people find this odd, but it is true).

Yes, Obama supports infanticide of newborns who have survived abortion. He had the chance in Illinois to support a ban on such a practice. Instead, he voted against the ban -- not once, not twice, but three times. Even Sen. Kennedy and Sen. Clinton voted for a similar ban on the federal level. Obama supports the killing of newborns.

[Jsickert]

Infants lack the motor skills necessary to self feeding. Toddlers(6months plus) have the ability to bring object to their mouths, but lack the knowledge necessary to know what to put in their mouth, why do you think small toys have posted age recommendations? On abortion however, I personally feel it is okay in the first five months of pregnancy, but only in cases of rape, incest, or mortally dangerous to either the mother or fetus.

[heroikrobb]

So it's okay to let a mother die if she is in her eighth month of pregnancy if complications were to arise?

[leiapeison]

a newborn is not physiologically dependant on the privacy of the innermost part of a womans anatomy. there is no more personal space than my uterus and it is the most intimate connection one can have. all intimate contact must be consensual. a fetus is a subordinate organism in a woman. it is draining her life and harming and changing her body ina profound manner. than it is gonna literally tear open her vagina. woman are not incubators. feti have no rights compared to the woman.

[chrisman737]

Your uterus is a personal space, there is no question about that. But, once again, the fetus belongs there. It is not an invader. It is not `draining her life.`" It is not easy, that is for sure, but it is not a parasite. We all began life in this way. You did too. According to your own wording, you invaded your mothers private space, drained her life away, used her as an incubator, and then tore open her vagina. How dare you! How can you even look in the mirror, you woman hater!

[leiapeison]

so what if we all began life this way? we all began life from sex but that doesnt mean it can be forced. yes it IS draining her body which NO ONE has a right to do. no i did NOT say that about myself. my mom CHOSE to deliver me. if she had wanted to abort me, that would totally have been her right. my vagina is is designed for a penis to but it is My reproductive system. i have full control over if, when and how it is used. i will not allow anyone use my personal space against my will.

[chrisman737]

And, after all these weeks, you have STILL not answered my question. Do you support infanticide? Do you support the killing of newborns? Do you support the killing of babies who, for whatever reason, manage to survive an abortion procedure? Some doctors have been known to strangle a baby as it comes out of the womb (in cases where a woman seeking a late-term abortion suddenly goes into delivery). Do you support strangulation of babies as they are born?

[leiapeison]

i dont support infanticide or post viability abortions. if teh fetus is viable and she doesnt want to be pregnant anymore, she can just be induced to terminate the pregnancy. an embryo or pre viable fetus cannot be removed and survive until it can, the death is a tragic loss but one neccessary to preseve the rights of the woman who had them to begin with.

[chrisman737]

Then I hope you realize that you disagree with Obama on these issues.

Interesting that you would call the death a "tragic loss". If it is just a clump of tissue, then why get all melodramatic about it? That is what I find so humorous about pro-abortion people. They talk with such strong disdain for the fetus, as if it is an invader or parasite, but then talk about how "difficult" the decision is for the mother. When I wanted my tonsils removed, I didn`t think twice! No difficulty there.

[leiapeison]

pro abortion is a misnomer meant to attack the opponent. it is difficult because of the nature of reproduction being difficult. if a woman wants to get her tubes tied, it is a very difficult and thought provoking situation that isnt rushed. nor is there an enormous stigma against having your tonsils removed. we recognize the potential of the fetus but it is just that, potential. if it is coming out of my vagina, i will decide how it comes out since it is my vagina.

[chrisman737]

But it is not your body. It is the fetus' body.

[leiapeison]

it is using my body. and it is not a full fledged person with developed organs or even a sentience. it is not the equivalent of a child. and you ultimately are not gonna have to care for this fetus once it is born.

[leiapeison]

if any organism is living inside of me and about to tear through my crotch, i have every right to evict it at any time since it is my body that it is inhabiting. i am sovereign over the inner workings of my body.

[chrisman737]

leiapeison, to what organism are you referring. If you are referring to something like a worm, then it is clear that the worm must be removed. It does not belong there. However, if you are talking about the human fetus, then it is clear that there is nothing "wrong." The fetus finds its natural home in the womb -- it belongs there. And you do not have a right to end that life. We must all respect life from the moment of conception until natural death.

[leiapeison]

it doesnt matter if it is its natural home. lots of organisms naturally grow in or on other organisms. just because a uterus is designed for a fetus doesnt mean i am obligated to use it. if i dont want anyone inside me, im not letting them stay end of story.

[chrisman737]

Oh yes it does matter. In this case, we are not talking about a worm or a monkey, but a human. That is true that you are not obligated to "use" the uterus. If you don't want to get pregnant, then don't. It is obvious from your answer that you are not ready to be a responsible parent, so please do not get pregnant. But if you do, you are morally obligated to preserve that life. To have an abortion is the deliberate unjust killing of an innocent human being -- murder.

[leiapeison]

i dont always have a choice in pregnancy. rape happens. i am not an incubator for anyone. i will not let my body be commandered for 9 months against my will.

[chrisman737]

"i will not let my body be commandered for 9 months against my will."

Then don't have sex (and men who are not willing to bear responsibility for children should not have sex either). Rape does happen -- only 3% of abortion cases fall under pregnancies that result from rape. But even in this case, the human being inside the mother should not pay for the crime of rape. It is still unjust and immoral to take such a life.

[chrisman737]

By the way, don't you feel even a little guilty about forcing your mother to be an incubator, for forcing your mother to take you to term? Wouldn't you feel better if you had never been alive, so that you would not have to live with the horrible truth of the agony you put your mother through?

[leiapeison]

my mother chose to give birth to me. if i had been forced upon her, yes i would feel bad and i would wish i had been aborted. no one is wanting to "punish" the unborn. it isnt about vengeance. it is about defending ones body. women dont get abortions to be mean. that is just victim blaming.

[chrisman737]

Sorry, its not about defending one's body. There is another body you are forgetting -- the one killed by abortion.

[leiapeison]

i am not forgetting the unborn. i am treating it in respect to the womans rights which are already in play and are protected. you cant take away the rights of an existing individual to give it to an embryo.

[chrisman737]

The embryo is an existing individual.

[leiapeison]

it is not an individual because it nees to leech off of another body to survive. biologically it is even less of an individual than a tape worm because a tape wrom can live for a short time outisde of a body and any body can sustian it. a fetus cannot and can only use one body. if anything is using my body in a profound manner against my will, i am gonna make it stop.

[chrisman737]

A newborn baby needs to feed off the mother in order to survive. It cannot feed itself. That is why babies are born with the suckling instinct -- to feed at the mother's breast. It is clear that the dependency lasts beyond birth. Are you therefore also in favor of infanticide -- the killing of newborns?

[leiapeison]

a new born baby needs a body to take care of it, not jus the mothers. anyone can pick it up. and no, a woman is not obligated to breastfeed nor does she have to. there is formula or she can give ti away. but if it is inside her, it is not a seperate being and it is under her domain. there is nothing more personal than our bodies. there is nothing more invasive than a pregnancy. it is a profound change. and only one a woman can decide to undergo. it is not your crotch that is ripped open.

[chrisman737]

Your point is irrelevant.  The newborn baby, regardless, is dependent on others for survival. It cannot feed itself. Regardless of what say about formula (clearly a human invention), the suckling instinct is for the mother's breast (which is why new mothers will lactate - surprise, surprise). You have not answered my question -- do you support the killing of newborns? Bear in mind that Obama supports the killing of newborns who have survived abortion.

[javy150]

Go Obama, Go America!!!

[memama2]

You could take stem cells from naturally miscarried fetuses as a donation..and NOT clone WITH GOVERNMENT MONEY ANY HUMAN BEINGS and then KILL THEM for their "cells"...you are a parasite and heartless soul stealer, if this is your goal. Creating people , NO MATTER HOW SMALL...and then killing them for a few cells, is the Hitleresque mind of madmen. There is an OPEN policy for PRIVATE companies to do that very thing! ALL OVER THE WORLD! But to get a Government to make its citizens harvest others?

[SabrinaSilverstien]

Yes, you can but the 2 week zygote is the best place to harvest fast, reproducing , nad flexible cells. Something which bush made illegal !

[memama2]

how many "cells" made YOU a PERSON? 2 weeks worth? 1 week, 6 days? 1 week, 5? I would rather DIE than harvest a person...no matter HOW SMALL...to make myself or one member of my family LIVE~ So I kill another person?~ President Bush made our government for ALL the people...even the ones in petri dishes...safe from harm......line up, millions of folding chairs with pink OR blue ribbons, on them, out in a field and see how many souls never walked this earth~and you want TAX dollars to ADD MORE?

[SabrinaSilverstien]

Your assume that everyone is religuos, I'm not, you would have to be religous to beleive in souls. Our Constitution strictly prohibits ANY, use of religion on politics !

[memama2]

that is why it is evil to have anything to do with any work to harvest humans (even as a cell) to take theirs and make YOURS worth MORE, and their death proves that. A law without a use of the attributes of how God would decide this...is no law at all.& Does not make it RIGHT...if no one voted against it..and never will..heaven is watching and an account will be given..not believing THAT! does NOT MAKE it untrue! there will be a "last" day for mankind in God's courtroom..and all will be judged

[SabrinaSilverstien]

A law is a law regardless of wether it is biult on Godly principles. The Bible also commands us to obey the laws of the lans. No one makes a christian have an abortion in America (hopefully not) a christian is not asked to break Gods law by being forced to have an abortion. Of course we are all free to express our religous freedoms and personal convictions, but trying to make it part of government thats over stepping th Constition and the Bible becuase we are not following the laws of the land.

[granitepeace]

Were you ladies aware that abortion was already legal in this country - what an ignorant podium to stand on. I am pro choice - but unlike Barack I do not believe in partial birth abortion - that is just plain murder of a fully developed fetus

[librophile]

DISCOVER HIDDEN *MEANING* IN A NAME

Barack Hussein Obama (18 letters) =

BANK HIM, B.O. USA-CAESAR

*Support Barack Obama, Great USA-Leader*

WHAT A GREAT NAME !! WHAT A GREAT MEANING !!

[SabrinaSilverstien]

YAY, we did it take that pro-lifers ! I'm pro-chioce ands I vote ! I voted Barack Obama !

Pro-chioce: The crazy notion that woman aren't propperty, and that slavery is wrong.

[heroikrobb]

We shall rejoice and we can promote stem cell research of embryos and feti! It is always the woman's choice, not pro-life's or the government's or the church's or any other entity's!

[CreedChrist]

what about the babys choices? oh wait you don't believe in that because you don't believe a baby is equal.

But wait, that kinda puts a speck in your definition of everyone being equal now.. dosen't it?

You can't preach equality while not recognizing the rights and equality of unborn children. I pray God will open your eyes to the truth

[heroikrobb]

The unborn baby has no choice regardless. If a woman had her choice taken away, where would the choice come from then? Who really chooses? If the government truly cared about each individual from birth to death, then why would it dictate the unborn child the right to live and yet take away the mother's rights? The mother becomes property if she is impregnated and sex is only a choice, and so should pregnancy.

[chrisman737]

Well said, CreedChrist. It is sad, but even in the 21st Century people don't have a clue regarding basic biology. Clearly legalized abortion means that people are NOT equal. Now we have a president elect who apparently supports certain form of infanticide -- killing babies who survive abortions. Until 2002, such babies could even be legally strangled to death as they came out. Now such barbarity will be legal again. A very sad a dark time for our nation.