iloveOov vs SlayerS_`BoxeR`

[kiklion]

Why did he keep the wraiths in his base after the first skirmish, rather then move over to Boxer's side to kill them as they were being built?

[SmokeIsDaMan]

@kiklion he couldn't get to boxer's base without running in 20 turrets

[Stefan773]

the barracks are meant to tank units (such as people use the engineering bay to distract reinforcements at a choke, like a bridge), to prevent yamato from hitting tanks, and mainly so boxer cant see whats under there for when he inches up his tanks. but boxer has always been the number 1 player when it comes to tank wars

[graydragon117]

so much wraiths!

[ShniWalker]

lol amazing.. I didn't believe the wraiths ownd the 1st fight.

[jsnpark]

Boxer gets all the girls ;)

[JRimRim]

why didnt oov use cloak? that many wraiths could easily take out the vessel.

[NoMoarOxygen]

@JRimRim scanner sweep

[iKPoPify]

@JRimRim He also didnt have any control towers whatsoever. This way he could go 200/200 wraiths without wasting time on control towers (with 200/200 he wouldn't need cloak anyway)

[heheman3000]

Why didn't white use valks?

[opsieday]

this was a 2 hour game apparently

[Groundonrage]

no Valkyries?

[gerbilownage]

lol, the only units they used at the end were units from the original sc

[Otarku]

12:20 thats what happens when you use wraiths...

[iKPoPify]

@Otarku no, that's what happens when you're down by an expo and your opponent knows your strategy

[Otarku]

@iKPoPify Even with 2 or 3 more expansions he would have lost using wraiths...

[gamapg]

I just gotta ask... why does OOV has a lot of barracks in a TvT game? =o

[beyondsupreme]

they choose marine and medic at times

and those barracks are barricades against the turrets

[jparkfosho]

@gamapg he's hiding his tanks with them so boxer can't kill tanks with yamato cannons

[ball908765]

Oh yeah...and interestingly, I think the map is "Ride of Valkyries"...

[ball908765]

Hmm...he killed all his SCVs for wraiths, so he didn't have any ground troops to kill valkyries.

With all those wraiths firing at stuff though, the valkyries probably would've run out of sprites and wouldn't be able to fire...plus they might only be able to fire 1-2 bursts because they'd be dead before they're done cooling down.

What is the max limit of sprites?

[dontlikemb]

valkyrie > wraith

[modipete90]

valkyrie can't attack ground. valkyrie is only good in large number. valkyrie can only do good damage to groups of units.

Therefore Wraith > Valkyrie.

[menace50]

And Valkyrie's are crazy expensive..

[javal2121]

cibercerdos jajaja

[swupstik]

I have a question for the gosus here: instead of battlecruisers, why hasn't Boxer built some Valkyries to deal with the mass stacked wraiths? I always thought Valiath is the best counter to mass wraiths.

[vOddy75]

Because valkyries can't attack ground as well. Battle Cruisers are less specialized, and more all round.

[swupstik]

So this is what a cloud of 72 wraiths look like...

[redc93]

Iloveoov had this game if he just went attack after the battle those 7 turrets doesnt do shit to fully upgrade wraiths.. i dont know why iloveoov did tat... he had this game in a bag

[MadeOnAMac365]

Where can I download the replay of this?

[Gwarismetal]

that was a fuck load of wraith

[ferose2]

Oov had enough wraiths to take down boxers base at the beginning of this video. He should have just made a move instead of dancing around his wraith inside his own base.

[cheecheepong]

perhaps, but that's assuming Boxer would have stayed put and not done anything. He had a lot of Goliaths

[TheAvailableName]

no it wasn't

[Halfpastnoob]

Well the matches seemed more epic lol

[Xeserox]

It was a lot less calculated, I find. Which made for more enjoyable matches. Players used to be able to come up with really interesting builds a lot more than now, and with those interesting builds and plays the games were fun.

The current metagame of starcraft has lost the "freedom" of the old matches, with nearly every play a calculated series of builds and counters with brilliant obscure tactics a rare treat.

[tlswhdgjs]

What is it now? mass? that's just noob talk dont' u think?

[7534210]

micro was the same as it is now.... Macro was way worse back then than it is now.

[beenutbutter]

lol what a krazie battle and the best part was that they both had smiles after the game was over.

[Morroku3]

Boxer is excellent. So is ilovoov.  I think Ilovoov is one of the few threats to Slayers_Boxer.

[KustomZero]

My god.. 200/200 wraith army vs Goliaths+BC.

Truly epic battle.

[brainwasher9876]

boxer didn't even have a WTF expression.

[peetswee]

wow this is epic

[Unraked]

they knew each other's strat...just that boxer smart enough to tank wraith fire with his BCs by hovering them over the goliaths during the last fight..2good.

[piers888]

I think that was the decisive play by box in the match.

[TisSparta]

wraith was like bees and flies all over the world gained

[lionelchu]

i wonder why boxer didn't employ any valks on all those wraiths. seems like if he could get about 4-8 it would have really helped.

[r4j2iLL]

valks dont work well in late game... missles jam and dont shoot em well

if both players have 200/200 valkeries dont even fire

[cheecheepong]

yea. I don't know why blizzard hasn't fixed that... It gets really annoying when you have to use them against stacked air units and they don't fire.

[GWHowarth88]

thats a fockin lot of wraiths Oo

[tinsleyjamaal]

woot, lim yo hwan!!!!

[sc0ot6]

Where can you find the full version of this video? you know from start to finnish.?

Great vid never-the-less.

[zookiouz]

lol orange only wraith xd

[CBLah111]

so many wraiths at the beginning

[thegoddescomposer]

omg dude, I've just read about StarCraft 2, that matches will be broadcast on TV in america,, damn dude, its gonna be bigger and bigger, ^^

[ASIANWHITEBOY1337]

Seriously?

omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg

k i'm done

[speedfalcon5]

That would be the best damn thing that has happened to America in years. I doubt it will actually happen, but ill keep my fingers crossed

[DaParkVid]

feels like ww1 trench warfare

[speedfalcon5]

only this is like ww4 turret warfare

[Maplebangeek]

wait so who won?

[porab0la]

boxer

[BiffTheUnderstudy]

12 valk and this wraith army was instant dead.

[cheet87]

iloveoov had bad choice that all... had good control with the wraith. had right time to rush in and killed 1st lot of Boxer's units but... Boxer just had more resourses..

[LemonLimeLoser]

what map is this

[cheet87]

it seems like to be "Ride Of Valkyries"

one of official map for ShinHan starleague

[sandiegosuperbowl]

mass wraiths always tend to lose vs gols+bc, or valk+tank+gol, etc.

[kissypoutchi]

boxer give the win to oov cuz this is was is last game

[EnsignN7]

Man...awesome wraith control by oov

[theaznfishy]

Although it's an interesting tactic, I don't have the slightest idea how the guy who used massed wraiths could think of following up. Even when he destroyed the first wave of BCs/gols, he still didn't have enough power to wipe any portion of his enemies base. I'm pretty sure he realized that it was only a matter of time.

[fruchtzergeis]

try to kill all comsats, then go kill the vessel, prevent the enemy from building comsats

[jbm03]

if you can kill all comsats and vessels without losing so much wraiths though, coz if he lost half of it he's dead in the counter for sure

[pipsleet]

he still had turrets everywhere

[ASIANWHITEBOY1337]

1 tactic was to make boxer mine out, but boxer was up 1 base so he was trying to go and destroy boxers lower center then go ahead and live it out until boxer can't build anymore.

[HopesLastStand]

idiot oov kills 1 of his own wraith at 11:33

[UniqueEpYOn]

whats the map name?

[lpjuunin]

Failureofme, wow, how is multicommand not allowed? So, I'm not allowed to control anything more than, let's say, 12 lings? Dude, do you even know what multicommand means? And it's not that hard to ctrl 1-0 in rapid motion, you don't need to be pro to do that decently...-.-

Your username says it all about you mate.

[lpjuunin]

Wraith+cloack, with decent muta-like micro > BC's

But of course, Boxer, knowing full well how good his student can macro, went goli as well. Just a slight underestimation on Oov's behalf, great battle nonetheless.

And progamers do not use Valks. Anyone who dares comment "0mggz, leik bild valkies!!!oneone" are instant noobs who's probably never played a serious competetive match.

[BiffTheUnderstudy]

That's probably why Boxer opened vakyries in his last four matches.

Valks are underestimated. And not really usefull in a normal game. Though, in this precise occasion, 12 valks would have bascally raped Oovs wraith army in a few seconds.

Maybe you never see valks cuz you never see 200/200 wraith army, or something like that?

[Failureofme]

Multicommand. Even though it isn't allowed, but wow, you better be fast at hitting 1-0.

[UniqueEpYOn]

who is boxer the guy with the glasses?

[UniqueEpYOn]

mass wraiths = BOXER STYLE

[farkoffyo]

oov went the wraiths, ye boxer is the guy with the glasses

[amsd1231]

man it woulda been good so c sum valkyries from boxer.

[drag0nfeather]

spoiler.

[dgcrew]

It would be cool if theres a StarCraft programme in every country of gosus of each country fighting ^^ and a world cup of gosus of every country.

[wilsonacerSC]

there already is

look up world cyber games or WCG for short

WCG 2007/2006 etc

but the starcraft maps WCG uses are too boring/need new maps

[matcaos]

someone knoks where I can get that replay?

[dgcrew]

You can't get the replay of a game of someone, unlease that "someone" put the replay in internet, that i dont think he did that.

[kitej18]

that was nice game ;d i like it

[blkedwashedazn]

simply bad strategey, AND WHY HE MAKE ALL THE BARRACKS! Make couple for evade and sht but like 20, NOOOOOOO!

[jngngshk]

to prevent his tanks from being yamato'd

[bloodLLL]

absolutely friggin epic matchh O_O

[Phrentoes]

I'm just curious... how was Oov expecting to win this one? Once he won that first battle, he should have went in and took out the reinforcements as they came and moved in on Boxer's Ports. There weren't enough turrets to take out ALL those wraiths. Was Oov expecting to simply outlast Boxer's minerals/gas? Boxer had a base one up on him... GaH! I don't understand.

[estebannam]

good question but he had quite alot of turrets everywhere and turrets have 200hp and they do 20 dmg while wraith have i think 150hp and they only do 8 dmg to ground and that would kill most of his wraith and if he wanted to take out the turrets to kill off his goliath and bc he would have so lil and boxer would have enough army just to attk him thats why oov had to make marines to kill of turrets and im not sure if this could be right but i think

[estebannam]

if oov was able to gather marines and won the last battle i think that oov could have won rite there but he lost too much wraith against boxer

[j35u5fi23ak]

first of all.. boxer pwned iloveoov.. so boxer didnt kill himself

second.. nukes would be pointless cuz wraiths cuz get out of there in no time and its hard to get nukes

[bioches]

boxer is going to kill himself ahaha

[jin761]

he should have nuked the sh*t out of those wraiths

[MutaliskMaster]

Wraiths was not a good idea but at that point of the game, he couldnt really make other units O_o.

[flushentitypacket]

actually he chose to make pure wraiths. I agree its not the best strategy. Mixed forces are much stronger.

[LovableHart]

imagine someone stormed that rofl

[Gust4voFoz]

que massa

[Bulgaria]

How to decrase the time for reaction for units in multiplayer games guys?Even if i am host and play with only bots no real players it still has aroudn 300 ms latency :( for units to move and stuff why? :(

[bangsayshi]

wat wouldve been an even cooler way to win by boxer would be for boxer to lockdown the 200/200 wraiths :D if there was anyone to do that, it would be boxer

[cennon]

How do you say Zerg in Korean?

[Shwamperoos]

zurg. lol... i have no idea

[HopesLastStand]

jerg

or

juhg

[mastertheezy]

i love all the noobs moaning about valkryies

[TerranFan11111]

valks suck dick!!! they have gay bugs that prevent hit and run and one that prevents them from attacking when there r 2 many units on screen. gay as hell

[Shwamperoos]

then don't play fastest and evolves?

kthx.

[Shwamperoos]

@terranfan1111111 btw.

[Arterran]

Good match oh and does anybody know by chance the name of the song at the end?

[Kawagata]

mice is already plural.

[ghost4sale1]

valks SUCK unless ur playing a small map and small amount of units or they won't fire

[StarlitMoons]

which ones boxer and which is oov?

[woneee]

boxer is the one wearing the glasses he won

[fedaijin]

They didn't clean after. They bring their mices and keyboards - gaming equipment. When they finish playing, they take it back.

[th3lurker]

I wonder what the scores were at the end of this game?

1-2 Million?

[SgtBash]

Do they bring their own comps?!?! lol they were cleaning up after.

[doogieplaya]

boxer should've gotten valkyre

it should've been funny. 12 valkyre would kill the wraiths instantly

[brassman8]

valkyre are useless in a game like that because when there are too many sprites on the screen they don't fire. They would sit there and never fire a shot.

[Aboutobe]

how long did this last?

[VioleTAK]

about 75 minutes :-)

[harman443]

ya boxer cha no dae ha yo na mu so wo lol

[Athos90]

How Oov able to move all his Wraiths at once?

[DJWilsonX]

Iloveoov hotkeyed all his wraiths (most likely)

CTRL and press a number while selecting a whole squadron (12 units) and with these 4-5 keys (1-5? most likely) he could move em fast (not counting his crazy actions per min)

[spidermonkies008]

The commentators really sound tired

[wolfboy789]

Of course they do... this battle has lasted 75 minutes i believe.

[repapips18]

was thet game a bring-your-own-pc-game? howcome they're fixing the keyboard and the mouse? or is it a consolation price... o_0?

[VioleTAK]

They bring their own keyboard and mouse, some progamer preffers different kinds.

[DJWilsonX]

I really wish they go wireless

[Soundwave300]

wired has better response time and don't have to worry about it losing signal while you're playing.

[zZKaZuRaZz]

Talk about the boundary of USA and Russia

[JDM408]

It's Korea what else is new. Gaming is their sport and they get rich off of it.

[Mike21040]

awesome match

reminded me of the always fun money maps :)

[CrabcakeOG]

*shudder*

[goldman77700]

Wow that was an intense.

[Jinisinsane]

i wanna see the whole thing

[azn2k2000]

LOL wtf...they got girls cherring for them. You don't see that kind of shit here in the U.S.

[SpicyHam]

I know eh. In Korea, they encourage gaming for guys, while in the U.S. all I see is Football and baseball, such retarded sports compare to Gaming.

[CrabcakeOG]

yep, I know people who act like assholes to people who don't like football. Shows how much they know

[xMirage]

How does a game turn into a giant wraith battle?

[deathwish475]

damn. its really hard to win against your teacher isnt it. lol.

[krnsushi575]

korea owns at gaming.

[scaryface666]

Wow, thats a crapton of wraiths.

[Nonrad]

Wow, even old ladies were watching the match.

[handren90]

why do the players have freaking Formula 1 racing suits hahaha

[svenskrude]

damn good work in the 8th minute :P damn nice counterattack. good fighting orange. butWHATS THAT IN BOXERS EAR!?! IS HE CHEATING? MAYBE A WAY FOR HIM TO HEAR WHAT THE COMENTATORS SAY?!

[DJWilsonX]

those aren't actually headsets they're wearing.... they wear headphones and put ear muffs over it to block out sound....since they don't have soundproof booth here

[langpy]

Every players must wear the headsets so that they can't hear outside. Sometimes they can get hints about opponent's control by fan's yelling... fans often yell when the player who they root for approaches dangerous region. that's it

[PreacherofNothing]

lol, you're making fun of the pg commentator dude right?

[spacedoubt15]

Wow. Amazing game, great strats employed by both. Any chance theres a .rep of it? Not likely, but I gotta ask.

[sinage55]

dam, if boxer nuke,

that game would of became shorter

[s2586201]

Always amuses me to hear people say things like that. I'm assuming you would have done that and won right? So simple, haha.

[Dasol]

there was one game where he actually did nuke

[cownerd1]

@Dasol there's alot of games that he nuke but not on 200/200 raids

[llihnroht]

* = insert "brilliant"

This match was *, can't believe I didn't watch it before

Floating buildings, *

SCV to take fire, *

Marines harass turrets, LOL * !

Patiently waiting for BCs and gols to spread out after a choke before sending in wraiths - even though your outer expansion was dying, *

It woulda been fun to see a nuke,but I'm sure both sides were too preoccupied to be able to do such a thing

(with so much scan..would have to have the entire army to cover that ghost, lol)

* game! TY

[Xcetron]

Everyone who suggested using valkyries, its a great idea if the thing would actually shoot but it wont, why? its a bug in SC. Now if it was TVP and if you said Corsairs or something then you wouldnt get bash so much but just shutup and understand that theres clearly a reason why theyre not using valks.

[uchiha0510]

wraith known as paper plane have proven that it is useful when it is massive

[eddiejhong]

Truth is, valks don't fire when theres more than like a dozen units on the screen. A huge glitch. However, if there was no glitch of this type valks would be overpowered.

[eeezb]

not only that, the Barrack were lift over the tanks in order to avoid that BC from using it's yamato gun..In this case, it was a blatantly dirty trick..

Oov tried to used the building as decoy lol..if only Oov used cloaking It would be better..

[ela03ct]

the real meaning of lifting up the B or E is because the sight range of tank is smaller then it's attack range, so the E or B is used to give the sight for the tank, so increase real attack range.

[uchiha0510]

its also to cover the ground units because barack and enginering is big and cannot target the ground units with mouse.

[DaXue]

That was very odd.

1) Boxer didn't EMP, probably because

2) Oov didn't bother with cloaking ... WHY?

Even two seconds of cloaked fire can change the game.

[operationoperation]

he should of attacked already. orange stalled too much.

[StarfoxFire]

if he did, the turrets would have owned his force at some point

[Danami0306]

yamato has no splash

[GodofProtoss]

i think that boxer should of used yamato on the stacked wraiths. splash would kill over half of them.

[MoFoNaToR17]

yamato can't splash....

[DomesticIdiot]

Yamato has no splash.

[StarfoxFire]

wraiths> bcruisers in number

[hotjamz5]

can someone tell me why he went with full wraiths instead of more tanks? obviously the goliaths will make short work of wraiths.

battlecruisers kill all that's why